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기타 링크

이이아샨의 인신공격 및 기타 서투른 행동

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자는 자신의 토크 페이지([1], [2], [3], [4])에서 더그 웰러의 토크 페이지([5], [6])에서 인신공격과 캐스팅 질타를 해왔다.이 모든 것은 Talk에 대한 거대한 게시물을 중심으로 전개된다.사용자가 사용자 동기, 성별, 위키백과, 성별 격차 등에 대해 의견을 개진하는 반여성주의(여기서 되돌리기: [7])아크로테리온이 3RR 템플릿 경고를 한 후 인신공격에 대해 최종 경고를 했다([8] 참조).에버그린피르(토크) {{re} 02:48, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

이 보고서는 에버그린피르가 괴롭힘으로 신고된 직후에 나온 것으로, 보복 조치다.타임스탬프를 확인하면 이 보고서는 에버그린피르가 괴롭힘으로 신고된 사실을 바로 따라간다.만약 당신이 이 게시물을 실제로 읽는다면, 명예훼손이나 다른 인신공격의 시도는 절대 없다.그래서 에버그린피르는 피고의 인신공격에 대한 인용문을 지적하는 대신 전면적인 페이지 포스팅을 하고 있다.에버그린피어는 성학 전공자인데, 개인적인 의견이 중립적인 관점을 유지하는 것을 방해하고 있다. 그리고 내가 Talk에 올린 글:반페미니즘은 주제인 반페미니즘에 대한 주제였다.성별과 성별의 차이는 주제적이며, 그 진술들은 Everlurfir가 단순히 개인적인 호소에 근거하여 괜찮다고 선택한 비협조적인 진술에 직접적으로 반응하는 것이었다.'최종 경고'라고 말한 뒤 아무런 편집도 이뤄지지 않고 있는데, 이는 나를 괴롭히기 위해 위키백과 시스템을 이용하려는 의도적인 시도임을 보여준다.반여성주의 페이지를 편집하기 전에 반여성주의를 논하려는 반여성주의자들을 확실히 제거하려는 이 젊은 여성에게는 괴롭힘의 도구가 되지 마십시오.만약 내가 무능력했다면, 나는 페이지 자체를 편집하고 대화 상자를 열려고 시도하지 않았을 것이다.이것은 모두 기록되었고, 이것은 에버그린피르가 공식적으로 발표한 두 번째 경고다.제발 나를 괴롭히지 말아줘, 고마워.이사산(대화) 03:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 어디에서도 나를 "신고"하지 않았다.그리고 여기여기의 당신의 편집은 내가 마지막으로 경고한 후였다 (그리고 Ian.thomson의 재량적 제재 통지 후).에버그린피르 (대화) {{re} 03:18, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
또한, 내가 ANI 통지서를 게시한 것은 당신이 여기서 선포한 것처럼 "추운" 것이 아니다.내가 너에게 알려야 한다.에버그린피르(토크){{re}}} 03:20, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
너는 이제 나를 괴롭히는 것을 그만둘 기회가 몇 번 주어졌다.당신은 계속해서 명예훼손, 스토킹, 그리고 나와의 상호 작용과 관련된 나의 표현된 문제들에 대해 나에게 연락했다.이번이 다섯 번째인데, 나와 교류하는 것을 자제해 줄 것을 부탁한다. 그것은 사실 괴롭힘이다.내가 말한 사실들이 너의 편견에 어긋나기 때문에 이 모든 괴롭힘은.처음은 아니지만, 적어도 NPOV는 이해하는데, 누군가 그들에게 접근하지 말라고 할 때, 그렇게 하는 것은 괴롭힘이다.다시 한 번, 나를 괴롭히지 마.이사산 (대화) 03:54, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 나를 명예훼손으로 고소한다.어디 있는지 보여줘야겠어그런 범죄에 대한 비난은 용납할 수 없다.에버그린피르(토크){{re}}}04:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답장]
거짓말도 그렇다. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thisisashan&diff=721164108&oldid=721156967은 분명히 2:36으로 찍혀 있다.그게 내 마지막 편집이야마지막 경고에 대한 시간 표시는? 2시 48분.아니, 내가 편집한 건 네 마지막 경고 이후가 아니었어이것은 노골적인 거짓말이고, 글로 쓰여진 것은 명예훼손이다.
더욱이 WP에 따르면:법적 위협, "[...]자료가 명예훼손에 해당하는지에 대한 논의는 법적 위협이 아니다.[...]."
마지막으로, 내가 인신공격을 했다고 주장하는 것은 명예훼손이다.너는 명예훼손에 대해 잘 알고 있는 것 같아, 계속 그렇게 해.이사산 (대화) 04:08, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
내 경고 - [9] - 02:02, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)
첫 번째 경고 후 의견 - [10] - 02:19, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)
두 번째 경고 후 의견 - [11] - 02:36, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)
다시 해보시겠습니까?WP:NPA도 읽어보시겠습니까?에버그린피르 (대화) {{re} 04:15, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 구체적으로 "[...]내 마지막 경고[...] 후에"라고 말했다. 당신의 첫 경고는 아니다. 그것은 내가 위키피디아에서 받은 첫 경고이기 때문에 관련이 없다.두 번째 경고는 아니다. 다시 말하지만 그것은 문제가 되는 경고가 아니기 때문에 관련이 없다.마지막 경고.당신은 마치 당신의 진술이 원래 두 개의 경고에 관한 것처럼 골대를 바꾸려고 시도하고 있지만, 그것은 결코 그렇지 않았다.이것은 잘못된 행동이고, 정직하지 못하다.게다가, 제공된 정보가 논쟁의 여지가 있다고 해서, 자동적으로 당신이 옳다는 것을 의미하지는 않는다.나는 분쟁 해결이 해결될 때까지 행동을 중지했다.
한편 WP:를 읽어 보십시오.NPA는 분명히 누군가를 개인적으로 겨냥한 공격에 관한 것이다.따라서 인신공격이라는 용어는나는 안티페미니즘 토크 페이지에 있는 그 누구에게도 그런 공격을 한 적이 없다. 그것이 바로 당신이 그 발췌문으로부터 인신 공격을 인용할 수 없는 이유다.이사산 (대화) 04:27, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
[12]의 "최종 경고" 중 어떤 부분이 불분명했는지 확실하지 않다.ANI 게시물에 대한 통지는 경고가 아님...통보라고?에버그린피르 (대화) {{re} 04:30, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
1:06의 어느 부분이 마지막 경고보다 먼저 나왔다는 것을 이해하는데 어려움이 있는지 잘 모르겠다.https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Antifeminism&diff=721144323&oldid=721120167 나의 마지막 편집 1:06.우리 모두 시간을 볼 수 있어, 명확하게 적어놨어. 1:06.친구 아크로테리온즈 경고? 01:14, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) 경고?02:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)
명예훼손 시도에 대해서는 사양해줘, 우리 모두 실수를 하지만, 반 페미니스트 엔트리에서 당신의 견해에 반하는 사람은 모두 제거하려고 하는 게 분명해.당신은 이것을 소유권을 주장하기 위한 수단으로 사용하고 있다.그리고 너는 그렇게 하기 위해 정직하지 못한 행동을 하고 있다.이사산 (대화) 04:42, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아크로테리온이 내 친구야?先が大大! 농담은 제쳐두고 NPA와 위키백과의 모든 정책이 당신의 토크 페이지를 포함한 모든 페이지에 적용된다.그래서 내가 위에서 연결한 두개의 차이점은 내가 마지막으로 경고한 에 네가 만든 것들이야...에버그린피르 (대화) {{re} 04:47, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
정중하게 이것에 반대해야 한다, 나는 특별히 남성 권리 문제에 대해 일하기 위해 여기에 있다.여성주의자들이 반여성주의 토론 페이지에 정보를 올리기 위해 반여성주의자에 대항하는 것은 기껏해야 반지식적이다.여기서 보여지는 것은 사실 WP이다.여기까지는 아니지만, 내 동의로는 안 돼.반대 의견을 잠재우는 것은 결코 학문적인 연구에 대한 유효한 접근법이 아니다.이사산 (대화) 04:20, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
참고 위키백과는 비누 상자가 아니다. -- 소프트라벤더 (대화) 04:26, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
비누상자는 내가 시도해보지 않은 상승된 플랫폼이다.그러나 반여성주의를 논하고 있는 반여성주의자를 침묵시키려는 페미니스트들의 시도는 바로 그것이다.당신은 페미니스트들이 자신들의 문제에 대해 말할 때 조차 모든 비페미니스트를 비난할 수 있는 비누상자를 제공하려고 시도하고 있다.너는 나를 내려다보고 정중한 토론을 하려는 나의 시도를 비난하기 전에 네 자신의 비누통을 제거해야 한다.이사산 (대화) 04:49, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 31개 편집 후 이 정도 드라마 [13]??!! 그래, 그냥 NOTHERE의 추격과 변명을 중단하라.JbhTalk 04:23, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래, 그건 내가 몰랐던 거야.위키피디아가 이런 거야?괴롭힘 법을 정체시키려는 규칙에 익숙하지 않은 사람들을 괴롭히는 것?무엇 때문에, 공손한 토론을 시도하고 있는 교수의 의견을 차단하기 위해서입니다.이사산 (대화) 04:31, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그 답변이 법적 위협이기도 하다: "추행법을 방해하는 규칙"소프트라벤더 (대화) 04:33, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
법률에 위배되는 정책(실패한 민간기업은 법률을 전복할 수 없고, 법적 면제를 취하는 정책)을 지적하는 것은 법적 조치의 위협이 아니다.그것은 단지 정책이 사법제도의 표준적인 행동을 약화시키려 한다는 것을 지적하는 것이다.이사산 (대화) 04:49, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 공공 웹사이트에 접속해서 그것의 정책 외의 행동을 했다.그 정책들이 설명되었을 때, 당신은 "추행! 명예훼손!"을 외쳤고, 피해자 카드를 사용하려고 했다.당신의 "솔직한" 토론은 웹사이트가 당신이 적절한 출처를 제공하지 못한 것으로 추정되는 진실들을 감추는데 열심인 카발(cabal)에 의해 운영된다고 비난하는 것으로 구성되었다.당신은 여기서 괴롭힘의 희생자가 아니라 단지 자신의 잘못을 인정하기를 거부하고 있는 것이다.이안.톰슨 (대화) 04:40, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아니, 나의 정중한 토론은 여성주의자들이 반여성주의자의 시각과 직결되는 반여성주의 페이지에서 보고 싶지 않은 몇 가지 사실들로 구성되었다.당신은 나의 공손한 토론의 범위를 토론 그 자체에서 벗어나 이 논쟁으로 바꾸려고 하는 것이다.이 논쟁은 나의 기여가 아니라 반여성주의에 대한 나의 게시였다.이곳의 왕따는 명백하고 노골적이다.이사산 (대화) 04:49, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

편집에 문제가 있나?

롭신덴 편집장은 항해사와 기사에서 관련 내용을 삭제하는 것으로 보인다.navbox에서, 관련은 있지만 레드링크 양식이 아닌 텍스트는 제거되고 있다.예를 들어, 다음을 참조하십시오.

나는 사용자에게 위키피디아에서 언급된 바와 같이 레드링크가 허용된다고 통지했다.기존 정책에는 "적색 링크는 탐색 템플릿에 보존할 수 있다"고 명시되어 있다.관리자의 의견을 듣고 싶다.감사합니다.미첨치(토크) 16:49, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

이 문제와 관련하여 해당 사용자와 논의한 내용을 보여주시겠습니까?RFC 등 분쟁해결 시도에 대한 사전 시도나 외부 목소리를 불러오는 방법 등을 보여줄 수 있는가? --Jayron32 17:00, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
@Jayron32: 나는 두 개의 기사 토크 페이지에 글을 남겼다.그러나 사용자에 의한 다른 편집을 검토할 때 나는 관리자에 의한 주의를 보장할 수 있는지 확신할 수 없었다.두 개의 토크 페이지는 다음과 같다.
RFC나 다른 목소리를 사용하는 것과 관련하여, 나는 여러 기사나 템플릿에 대한 사용자 편집의 초서적인 검토를 위해 이것을 게시했다.한두 개의 특정 기사나 템플릿이 아니다.응답해줘서 고마워.미첨치 (대화) 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC) 18:16 (응답)
  • 롭신덴은 오랜 숙달된 해군 전사니까, 그가 지금 이러고 있다는 것은 놀랄 일이 아니다.내 생각에 그는 확실히 멈추거나 강제로 멈추어야 한다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 02:36, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 맞아, 우선, 나는 이 논의에 대해 통보를 받지 못했어.어떻게 이 일에 관한 지시를 놓칠 수 있는지 모르겠지만, 여기 있다.운영진은 우리의 많은 정책과 지침을 모르고 있는 것 같다.두 번째로, 나는 어떻게 Navbox 규약, 가이드라인, 사전 합의에 따라 길 가는 Navbox를 정리하는 것이 "Navbox Warrior"라는 타이틀을 얻게 되는지 잘 모르겠다. --Rob Sinden (대화) 10:17, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 편집한 내용이 너무 많은 문제와 고통을 주지 않았으면 좋겠다.--Moxy (토크) 10:54, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

Bill Cosby와 관련된 단일 목적, 운영 중단 계정

사용자 대화:66.235.36.153은 빌 코스비 성폭행 혐의와 관련된 기사에서 파행적 편집과 크고 논의되지 않은 삭제를 해온 '단독 목적 계정'으로 보인다.이 편집자는 막아야 할 것 같아.--벨레로폰5685 (대화) 19:57, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답하라]

너는 다른 점이 있니?조셉(talk) 경 20:33, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
디프스? 무슨 뜻이야?--벨레로폰5685 (대화)20:36, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답하라]
도움말 참조:디프, 기본적으로 당신이 말하는 편집이 파괴적이라는 것을 보여줘야 해.페이지 기록을 보고 거기서 차이점을 얻을 수 있다.조셉 경 20:38, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_allegations&diff=718953858&oldid=718530856

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_allegations&diff=720648062&oldid=720202654

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_allegations&diff=703033453&oldid=703004913

--Bellerophon5685 (대화)20:56, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

내용상 다툼이 있는 것 같군그러한 편집은 모두 같은 시기에 나온 것이 아니며, IP는 요약해서 주석을 달고 있다.나는 무엇보다도 대화 페이지 토론을 원하지만, 이것은 AN/I가 아닌 적절한 분쟁 해결 과정을 통해 해결될 수 있다.조셉 경 13:48, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

SwisterTwister의 AFD 문제

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

SwisterTwister의 AfD에서의 기록은 끔찍하다.카운터(여기)에서 알 수 있듯이, 그의 투표의 95% 이상이 삭제된다.그러므로 나는 SwisterTwister에 대해 AfD로부터의 금지를 제안한다.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 15:19, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) (외부 링크 형식)[응답]

@PlatypusofDoom: 그러나 정확도(녹색)는 100% 94% - 투표한 AfDs의 대다수가 아직 마감되지 않은 것은 인정한다 -- 삼타르talk or stalk 15:21, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
RickinBaltimothy의 코멘트당 100% 편집된 백분율 이상 --삼타르 15:25, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답글]

https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/ The PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 15:22, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]를 참조하십시오.

FWIW는 그동안 삭제투표 비율이 높았지만, 더 눈여겨봐야 할 것은 합의안에 반대한 표가 얼마나 되는지다.최근 500명의 AfD 투표([14]) 중에서 컨센서스 94%와 일치하는 것으로 보이는데, 이는 솔직히 꽤 괜찮은 수준이다.그것은 심지어 파괴적인 것에 가깝지도 않다.투표 삭제만 해도 나쁜 건 아니야, 만약 그렇다면 나도 AFD에서 금지되어야 해.([15]) RickinBaltimore (대화) 15:23, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
Samtar와 RickinBaltimore의 동의: 삭제해야 할 투표의 비율은 좋은 품질 척도가 아니다.ST의 AfD 행동은 문제가 될 수 있지만, 그것에 대한 충분한 증거가 여기에 제시되지 않았다.swpbT 15:26, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 문제를 관련 없는 것으로 종결하자고 제안하십시오.일반적으로 기사를 유지/삭제해야 하는지에 대해 일정한 견해를 가진 편집자는 합의 요건에 힘입어 WP에 큰 피해를 주지 않는다(위의 문제와는 달리, 의심의 여지없이 그럴 수 있다).Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 15:27, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
반대. 500!votes로 확장[16]하는 정확도는 여전히 100%에 근접하고 있으며, 삭제된 기사에 대해서는 Keep!bote가 1표, 보관된 기사에 대해서는 소수의 Delete만 있다.SwisterTwister는 삭제론자지만, 그것은 "끔찍한" 기록을 가지고 있기에는 매우 먼 길이다 - 이 기사들의 대부분은 합의에 의한 삭제였다. 그리고! 공감대를 가진 투표는 당신이 그 합의를 좋아하든 싫어하든 간에 문제로 표현되기 힘들다.가이(도움말!) 15:29, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 정말 솔직하게 말할 수 있을까? - 나는 예를 들어 토론이 방향을 바꾸는 곳에서 ST투표 삭제를 한 번 이상 알아차렸다.나는 그가 기사나 AFD를 검토하지 않는다는 인상을 받았다.그는 그저 맹목적으로!아무튼...하지만, 만약 그가 좋은 기록을 가지고 있다면 그건 별로 문제가 되지 않을 것 같다.Davey2010Talk 15:32, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 빨리 닫기 AfD의 문제는 통계가 아니라 !votes의 품질이다.그러나 마무리 관리자가 적정하게 무게를 재기 때문에 큰 문제는 아니다.위 보고서의 방해물이므로 빨리 종결하는 것이 좋다. --말콤xl5 (대화) 15:34, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 명백한 반대.편집자가 삭제로 캐스팅한 !보트의 95% 카운트는 a) 편집자가 삭제로 귀결되어야 한다고 생각하는 AFD에 대해 투표하는 경향이 있고 그렇지 않다고 생각하는 AFD에 대해 많은 표를 던지지 않는다면 완전히 무관하다. b) 최종 결과에 동의한 그들의 기록은 강력하다.보잉! 제베디(토크) 15:38, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
단지 nomenclatura의 질문일 뿐이지만, 편집자들이 투표에 반대할 때! 그들은 또한 이 실을 빨리 닫기 위해 투표하는가?안 그런가? 15:44Imperatrix Mundi, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 반대 및 닫기:SwisterTwister의 AfD 기부는 형편없기로 악명이 높으며, 나는 그녀의 소금이 그들을 완전히 무시해 버릴 가치가 있다고 생각한다.그는 일반적으로 명확한 합의가 있을 때까지 투표를 기다렸다가 그것을 반복하기 때문에 높은 정확도를 가지고 있다.(그는 이전 ANI 토론에서 "단순히 명확한 합의를 얻기 위해 모든 AfDs에서 투표해야 한다"고 설명했다.) 즉, 나는 선의의 투표는 제재될 수 있으며, 그렇다고 하더라도 주제 금지는 너무 이르다고 믿는다.

    나는 이 구역의 신속한 폐쇄를 지지한다. 리빙 15:48, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

편집-워리어 짐 모리슨

WP:SPA Poofdragon(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 페이지 이동 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)은 홀수를 삽입하기 위해 편집 중인데, 경우에 따라 WP:짐 모리슨에서 BLP-다이스티 콘텐트Diff:[17] .이용자가 삭제 중인 주요 출판사 책들에 안정적인 콘텐츠를 제공하는 대신 블로그, 팬진, 구글 검색결과, 인익신문사 기자들과의 인터뷰 등을 맨 URL로 삽입하고 있어 '소싱'이라고 주장하고 있다.나는 WP를 설명하려고 시도했다.RSWP:IRS는 현재 세 차례나 경고했지만, 자신들이 '소싱'을 하고 있다고 '언도'를 칠 때마다 요약 편집을 고집하며 토크 페이지나 기사 토크 페이지에 관여하기를 거부한다.이것은 그들이 다음과 같이 되짚어보고 있는 차이점이다:[18].다시 되돌려서 3RR로 데려갈 수도 있지만, 난 통제되지 않은 행정관이 개입하는 게 좋겠어.그들은 그 기사에서 언급된 살아있는 사람들의 명예를 훼손하는 데 집착하는 것처럼 보이는 반면, 내게는 별 볼일 없는 것처럼 보이는 살아 있는 사람의 이익을 강요하는 것 같다.이런 식으로 행동하는 SPA들이 종종 있기 때문에, 여기에도 COI 문제가 있을 수 있다.고마워. - 코비V ☼ 22:54, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC) 이것을 정말 쉽게 만들어 @Poofdragon: 그리고 ping을 덧붙인다. - 코비V ☼ 23:00, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

대부분의 짐 모리슨 페이지는 당신의 기준에 따라 제대로 소싱되지 않는다.메리 워벨로우(Mary Werbelow)는 의심할 여지 없이 짐 모리슨의 플로리다에 사는 여자친구로 밴드 동료 레이 맨자렉(Ray Manzarek)이 "그는 그녀에게 미쳤었다"는 인용문에서 인정했고 브라이언 게이츠는 짐에 대해 "메리를 그의 삶의 사랑"이라고 불렀다.[1]푸프드래곤(토크) 23:12, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
짐 모리슨의 고등학교 여자 친구 중 한 명의 상대적인 지명도나 그 부족에 대해 토론할 수 있는 장소는 기사 토크 페이지에 나와 있었는데, 거기서 당신은 약혼을 거절했다.이것은 위키백과 정책을 따르기를 거부하는 당신의 것에 관한 것이다.버틀러는 믿을만한 정보원이 아니야, fww. 하지만 그건 여기서 문제가 아니야. 너의 편집전은.지금 그 게시판에서 WP:3RR을 위반했다는 보고도 받으셨습니다. - 코비V ☼ 23:18, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 나는 이 WP를 차단할 권한이 없는 관리자를 요청한다.SPA. 파괴적인 편집은 WP에 대한 인신공격으로 이어졌다.연결된 기사의 BLP 제목:[19], 3RR 위반과 함께 중단 SPA가 추가하는 콘텐츠의 출처가 없는 구글 북 검색 결과에 덤프하기 위해 소싱된 콘텐츠를 계속 제거함. - 코르비V 23 23:46, 2016년 5월 19일(UTC)[응답]
아니, 아니, 그가 게시하고 있는 것, 예를 들어 당신이 위의 게시물에서 지적한 이 링크는 믿을 만한 신문에서 인용한 것이고, 그는 짐 모리슨 기사에서 했던 것처럼 그 기사에 있는 것을 정확하게 패러프레이징하고 있다.나는 부메랑이 있어야 한다고 생각한다.코슈볼론 16:55, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

참조

소셜 작업 시 IP 호퍼

이것이 법적 위협을 구성하는가?그럼에도 불구하고, 사용자들은 꽤 오랫동안 대화를 방해해 온 IP의 범위에 속한다.예를 들어, 나는 그들이 오랫동안 공백기를 가지고 있고 하지 않겠다고 약속했던 분홍색 후에 그들이 계속 했던 다른 논평들을 편집하지 말라고 그들에게 경고했었다.그들은 일반적인 혼란과 공공 기물 파손에 더하여 모든 관련자들의 시간을 낭비하려는 의도를 가지고 있는 것 같다.

여기의 이전 게시물들은 아무것도 성취하지 못했다. ([20], [21], [22])그러니.. 만약 뭔가 할 수 있다면 정말 좋을 거야티모시 조셉우드 10:48, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 표면적으로는 분명히 문제가 있지만 나는 문밖이다.레인지 블록이 작동할지 모르겠는데, 몇 가지 레인지에 걸쳐 있어.그것은 토크 페이지와 영향을 받는 기사들에 대한 보호를 요구할 수 있다.그것은 다른 IP들에게는 불편하지만, 그것을 하기 전에 누군가 그것을 살펴봐야 할 필요가 있을 것이다. IP를 위한 얼마나 많은 불편과 어쩌면 서브 페이지, 그리고 한 달치 반제약에 더해서.데니스 브라운 - 2시간 10분 57초, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
AAaa와 ip는 "내가 롤백을 했더라면 좋았을 텐데" 같은 방식으로 계속해서 토크 페이지를 파괴하고 있다.최소한 세미라도 할 수 있는 사람이 있을까?티모시 조셉우드 15:26, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
보호 일지를 보면 이 문제는 오랫동안 계속되어 왔다.두 달 동안 반절제를 적용했다.IP와 의미 있는 협상이 가능하다고 다른 관리자가 판단하면 세미나를 수정하거나 제거할 수 있다.에드존스턴 (대화) 16:04, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
@EdJohnston:@Dennis Brown: 부디 확인해 보십시오:[23] 이 [24], [25]는 Timothyjosephwood의 예에 따른 문제를 해결하기 위한 시도였습니다: 이 정보에 근거한 [26]:어떤 기고든 기사를 어떻게 개선할 것인가에 초점을 맞춰야 하며 공감대를 존중해야 한다. 기사 개선 방안에 대해 논의하지 않는 주제발표는 삭제될 가능성이 높다.이 다른 면을 보려면 다음을 조사해야 한다:[27], [28], [29]... 등을 참조하십시오.무엇보다도 나는 그다지 위키에 능통하지 않아서 지금에서야 이것을 찾았다.이전의 ANI 역시 다른 편집자들의 유사한 기만 전술을 사용하는 음모인데, 이것은 오프 위키 태그 팀 공격일 가능성이 가장 높다(동작의 유사성에 의해 판단됨).다른 특권의 요청은 유사한 성격의 오용에 대한 것이다.타인을 공격하거나 조작·부적응적 관행의 특성을 보이는 파괴적 콘텐츠 삭제는 관리자가 이를 확인했다.그래서 이러한 조치가 취해졌다:[30], [31].범위 블록을 도입하는 것은 특정 지역 특정 편집자들에 대한 공격이다. 이러한 종류의 요청은 선의보다는 적대적인 것으로 보여져야 한다. 게다가 파괴적이고 악의적인 편집자들과의 약속은 없다. 또는 편집자는 이 진술을 보여야 한다.이 블록을 놓고 경쟁했던 편집자가 토론에 참여하지 않고 다른 수단을 선택할 때 이는 관련자 모두의 시간 낭비다.기사토크 페이지에서는 편집자를 반달이라고 부르는 것은 엄격히 금지되어 있다. 여전히 티모시조셉우드는 WP를 다음과 같이 주장하고자 한다.IDHT: 기사에서 상세한 내용이 명시되어 있는 경우: [32] 변경사항 및 추론에 대한 사항.본 ANI 통지에 관계된 모든 편집자에게 본 의견과 링크에 나타난 정보에 근거하여 장애가 있는지 또는 전체 조사(시간이 허락하는 경우) 여부를 확인하도록 요청한다.여기에 포함된 모든 사람들이 IP와 등록된 편집자의 몸무게와 판단력이 동일하다고 생각하기를 바란다. .59.89.239.32 (대화) 16:55, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 이건 사용자의 MO에 불과해.별로 끓어오르지 않는 긴 바람의 디아트리브.WP 정책뿐만 아니라 여러 가지 차이점을 완벽하게 언급할 수 있지만, "오, 제발 물지 마, 난 새로 왔어".IP 편집은 아무리 명백하게 연관되어 있어도 다른 사람이라는 주장을 전개하면서 계정 등록을 거부하는 것.그들은 어느 순간 디안나에게 그들이 있던 회의(Kerala에서 단일 WP 페이지를 편집하는 사람들의 회의?)에서 나온 것이라고 주장하며 페이지를 보호하지 못하게 했다.
하지만 지난 몇 달 동안 그 페이지는 그저 일련의 보호책일 뿐이다.IP의 범위가 주어진 보다 영구적인 해결책이 무엇인지는 확실하지 않지만, 한 달 반이면 6월에 다시 우리를 볼 수 있을 것이라고 나는 확신한다.티모시 조셉우드 17:54, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

좋아, 다른 사람들이 진술서를 읽고 당신의 해석이 필요없다고 대답하게 해줘, 지금 그렇게 해.그들은 또한 그것이 무엇인지 생각하고 볼 수 있다. 여러 가지 차이점을 인용하는 것은 내가 최근에 발견한 기술이다.그러나 모든 IP가 하나라는 너의 주장은 좀 둔하다.Diannaa와 같은 사용자들을 당신의 목적을 위해 공격하지 마라 그리고 그렇다 페이지 소셜 작업은 리더 섹션과 컨퍼런스에서 인용된 부정 행위들이 단지 그 행동들을 확인했을 때 편집되었다, 나는 거기에 있었다.무엇보다도 당신은 시각장애인들이 이 사실을 볼 수 있는 조작된 증거를 사용하여 이 블록을 시작한 사람이다.

  • 기고문을 바탕으로 특정 이슈를 해결하려는 시도는 기사를 어떻게 개선할 것인가에 초점을 맞춰야 하며 공감대를 존중해야 한다. 기사 개선 방안에 대해 논의하지 않는 주제논평은 삭제될 가능성이 높다.[33], 이것은 재조정이 불가능할 때 행해졌다.
  • 다음 예제를 따라 rv 게임 해결 시도: [34]
  • 두 번의 rv 시도, 한 번:[35]
  • 정책을 기반으로 하는 작업인 경우 문제 해결을 위한 토크가 시작됨: [36
  • [37][38]의 권한이나 자신의 입장을 확인하기 위한 당신의 기만적인 움직임: [37]과 [38] 그리고 우리가 대화하는 동안 이것이 이루어졌고 당신은 내가 활동할 때 발언권을 주는 것에 대해 알리지 않았다:[39].
  • 결과적으로 돼지를 영광스럽게 하고 특권의 호의를 구하려고 함으로써 오해와 당신의 선의를 악용하는 것을 차단한다: [40]

만약 모든 다른 블록을 점검한다면, 또한 기만적인 재치 이력이 있을 수 있고, 이것은 보호에 사용되는 MO일 수 있다.당신의 행동과 특권의 남용에 답하면, 우리는 세계의 경이에 대해 이야기 할 수 있다.나는 만약 이런 종류의 과실이 멈추지 않는다면 우리는 다시 여기서 보게 될 것이라고 확신해, 만약 대화 페이지에서 통지된다면.업무 중단을 줄이기 위해 나(대부분 아마도) 또는 다른 사람들이 그곳에 있을 것이다.59.89.239.32 (대화) 18:23, 2016년 5월 18 (UTC)[응답]

전체 공개:나는 로프 산업에 상당한 투자를 했고, 이 실마리를 통해 재정적으로 이득을 볼 수 있다.티모시 조셉우드 19:14, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
로프산업(https://www.google.be/#q=rope+산업%2Bwikipedia%2Bpolicy)인 티모시조셉우드는 정책과 관련이 있다면 나는 아무것도 보지 않는다.그러나 티모시조셉우드가 이 실에서 관련 편집자들의 합의를 이끌어내기 위해 이득과 이 에서 암시하고 있는 것이 한 가지라도 유의할 수 있다.조치가 책임 있는 편집자가 아닌 경우, 권한을 부여하기 전에 다른 편집자를 보기 위해 편집자의 행동을 방해하지 않도록 경고하고 사용자 페이지에 통지하는 것으로 충분하다.감사합니다.
참고:이것은 포럼 쇼핑이 아니라 다른 편집자에 대한 공감일 뿐이다.59.89.239.32 (대화)20:13, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 WP:ROP에 대한 즉각적인 언급이다.티모시 조셉우드 22:30, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
Good-one, :D 117.248.62.212 (대화) 11:11, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
@59.89.239.32: 물러설 필요가 있다.너는 결국 한 덩어리가 될 수 있는 위치에 스스로 일하고 있다.다음 단계를 매우 신중하게 밟으십시오. --TJH2018 talk 19:07, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
하늘이 푸르니 네 행동이 분명하다고 위협해줘서 고마워.다른 사용자들은 FIMs talk 페이지와 [41]을(를)
WP의 범위와 관련하여 의심의 여지가 있는 사람은 다음과 같다.여기서 쇼핑하기, 내 토크 페이지(Timothy Joseph를 AN3으로 데려가려는 반복적인 시도는 제외)를 참조하십시오.이것은 약간 초현실적이 되어가고 있다.FortunaImperatrix Mundi 2016년 5월 18일(UTC) 19:33[응답]
임페라트릭스 먼디, 우리는 내가 추가한 AN3 제거에 대한 당신의 행동에 대해 이야기하고 있었고 그것은 티모시 요셉이 추가한 것과 유사하며 당신은 그것에 대해 말하고 싶지 않다는 것을 분명히 했다: [42] 그래서 초현실적이다.Floquenbeam 진술 후:[43] 나는 당신과 같은 예의를 보이지 않을 것이다. 나는 당신이 20:05, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]을 하기를 바란다.
@59.89.239.32 다른 사람의 코멘트를 다시 리팩터링한다, 그렇구나.아마 사소한 조치일 수도 있겠지만, 이런 일을 반복해서 겪었으니까, 왜 남의 코멘트를 그냥 놔두지 않으세요?짐1138 (대화) 08:34, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
우리의 케랄라 친구는 여러 사용자들의 토크 페이지에 코멘트를 하지 말아달라는 요청을 받았으며, 때때로 디안나아 예시를 들어주기도 한다.wp:편집자의 무결성은 많은 점에 적용 가능하다.IP는 많은 편집자들을 소외시켰고 그것이 그의 잘못이 아니라 그들의 잘못이라고 확신하고 있는 것 같다.
일련의 기사와 결합된 레인지 블록을 할 수 있는 방법이 있는가? 즉, 인도의 케랄라에 배치된 IPs와 사회사업 관련 기사들이 있는가?
이를 제외하고 이 케랄라, 인도 IP를 WP로 선언할 수 있는가?NOTHERE 및 WP에 의해 롤백된 편집:설명 없이 거부하시겠습니까?이 모든 것은 엄청난 시간과 좌절의 낭비였다.짐1138 (대화) 08:34, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
인종차별 친화적 토크 짐1138 (대화) 08:44, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
케랄라는 너무 광범위해서 3300만 명이 넘는 인구가 살고 있는 도시야.캐나다를 봉쇄하는 것 같군AusLondonder (대화) 09:08, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
이제 😉 10Imperatrix Mundi:12, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[답글]
나는 호주를 봉쇄하자는 최근의 제안을 기억한다.티모시 조셉우드 10:10, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
케랄라가 너무 크고, 케랄라 *AND* 사회사업 관련 조항이 아마도 실행되지 않을 것이라는 데 동의한다.아마도 인도 케랄라, 파나마티타 지역을 봉쇄하고 있을 것이다.인구 37,538명.IP의 편집이 Pathamanthitta에 위치(~75%)하는 경우가 많기 때문에 이 범위를 차단하면 문제가 어느 정도 완화될 수 있다.짐1138 (토크) 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC) 10:51[응답]
이 논평은 티모시에게 제기된 문제와는 아무런 관련이 없다.짐의 관련없는 ANI 코멘트에 대한 답변이다.짐1138의 행동은 양의 탈을 쓴 늑대와 같다. 그들의 의도는 매우 명백하다. 는 보통 그의 경우를 부인한다.아마도 이 편집을 훑어보고 어떤 것이 어떤 것인지 식별하는 것이 쉬운 몇몇 사람들에게는 대답할 때 약간 혼란스럽지 않다; 코멘트는 어디에 리팩터링이 들어오는지 또는 IP 편집기를 고정시키기 위한 핑계인지 명확하게 대답할 수 있는 공간만 주어진다.디안나의 말을 읽으면 편집자 자신으로부터 "나는 당신의 글을 더 자세히 읽었어야 했다."라고 쓰여 있고, 대화는 공손함과 진실함으로 끝나는 것 같다. 그래서 이 영혼이 꼬집어 말하려는 것은 불분명하다.또 다른 ANI는 사회 활동에 대해 비현실적인 신념을 가지고 있고 WP:여기 말고.인종차별이 왜 언급되는지 모르겠다.인종차별주의는 특정 인종이 다른 인종보다 우월하거나 열등하다는 믿음, 개인의 사회적, 도덕적 특성은 타고난 생물학적 특성에 의해 미리 결정된다는 믿음이다.그리고 편집자가 케랄라를 위한 위키반 창설을 요구하는 것은 우월감에서 비롯되고 다른 사람들을 열등감과 열등감으로 간주하는 행동들이 분명히 드러나는 것 같다.정의는 jim1138의 나머지 부분까지 확장될 수 있고 다른 편집자는 거기서 어떤 일이 일어났는지 안다.그러나 그 정의는 어떤 곳에서는 매우 잘 맞는 것 같고 이것은 반사회적 행동이다.나 자신도 잘 모를 때 다른 사람들에게 통찰력을 묻는다 - 이것은 가능하다면 배우고, 이해하고, 협력하는 것이고, 그것은 긍정적인 학습 행동이다.이는 wp:deny에 대한 보증은 아니며, 편집자가 사회사업 기사에서 표시한 바와 같이 편집자가 부조리에 도달했을 때 보증한다.117.248.62.212 (대화) 11:13, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 또한 부적절한 발언을 한 다음 그들 자신의 부적절한 발언을 다른 사람의 것이라고 폄하하는 것이다.오리 시험을 통과하지 못했어. 즉, 소셜 작업 중단과 관련된 사용자 대화에 참여하는 다른 사람의 임의의 IP를 말이야.
원래 시작했을 때 나는 이 일에 관여하지 않았기 때문에, 그것에 대해 말할 수는 없지만, 내 입장에서 나는 선의로 가정하는 데 약간의 노력을 기울였다.만약 당신이 다른 사람들의 방해로 비난을 받고 있다면, 계정을 등록하고 모든 문제를 해결해라, 짜잔.이것은 수십 번 이상 제안되었다.그들이 그토록 쉬운 일을 끈질기게 거절하는 것은 1) 혼란을 봉합하기 위해 일부러 등록을 회피하고 있거나 2) 이전에 차단된 사용자여서 그들의 계정이 빨리 탈루로 차단될 것으로 예상하는 것이다.티모시 조셉우드(TimothyJosephWood, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
내가 짐의 성격에 부분적으로 인종차별주의자의 성격에 동의한다고 말해도 좋겠으며 왜 내가 그렇게 느끼는지 그 논평에서 설명된다.관리 작업 페이지에서 시작한 블록과 함께 대부분의 블록이 전체 페이지를 삭제하고 바보 같은 단어를 추가하는 것과 같은 당신의 요청이 옳았다고 본다....의 기사 사이에 이름을 삽입하다.대부분의 일은 순식간에 끝난다.대부분 이 또한 그들을 요청하는 편집자와 선의의 관계를 맺음으로써, 이것은 당신이 사용했던 루프홀이다.그러한 관행이 있을 때 어떻게 목격자가 이 등록부를 작성할 수 있는가?그러나 당신이 편집에 대한 당신의 질문을 직접적으로 한다면 나는 그것이 나의 것이라고 말하거나 그렇지 않다고 말할 것이다.그러나 이것이 사회사업 페이지에 대한 문제인가?-아뇨. 최근 대화 페이지에서 사당 업그레이드와 무관하다는 지적은.내 편집을 봐:[45] 이 유치한 연극은 그만뒀을 거야.ip 편집자가 일하는 것에 대해 싫다는 표현을 하지 않고 문제를 해결하려는 의도였다면 이런 일은 일어나지 않았을 것이다.행운을 빌며 제발 진짜 대화를 다른 편집자들의 주의를 분산시키기 위해 어떤 것으로 끌지 말 것.- 다른 편집자들의 주의를 분산시키기 위해. 61.0.77.81 (토크) 12:40, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
음, 티모시의 폭력적인 행동은 블록을 위한 편집자 토론과 함께 날아가는 것 같다. (아마도 마녀사냥일 것이다) 나는 이곳의 작품이 다른 숙련된 편집자들에게 분명히 보여지길 바란다.만약 티모시의 행동이 좋은 관행으로 여겨진다면, 상위 계층에 있는 사람들은 다른 문제들에 대한 이해로 나아갈 수 있도록 환자들에게 올바른 추론을 전달해 달라.그렇지 않다면, 해야 할 일을 가지고 움직이십시오.보호 블록을 살펴봄으로써 차단 편집자들과의 선의의 남용에 의해 시작된 것들이 잘못 이해되지 않는다.하지만 그들은 다른 모든 관련 등록 편집자들의 무관심과 적대감을 해결했다.양쪽을 두루 거치면서 그 사안을 분명히 알 수 있다.심지어 이 페이지와 아무런 관련이 없는 새로운 플레이어 FIM이 복수하기 위해 스스로 주사하는 것을 볼 수 있다. 왜냐하면 이것은 일찍이 나의 IP가 차단되지 않았고 이것은 편집자를 불편하게 만들었고 다른 주장들과 비슷한 종류의 역사가 있는 것처럼 보였기 때문이다. 문제는 편집이나 편집의 기원이 아니라 IP 편집과 같은 위키-상태의 것이다.또는, 이것은 등록된 편집자들이 어떤 식으로든 의사소통하고 있는 것이다.내 관점에서는 이것은 위키피디아가 상징하는 것에 대한 명백한 위반이며, 같은 이유로 나는 이 파괴적인 편집자들을 물리치려고 노력한다.117.248.62.212 (대화) 11:30, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
여기서 학대가 끝난다고 생각할 수 있다:[46] 이제 당신은 블록 뒤의 의도를 알게 되었다.117.248.62.212 (대화) 11:47, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

실례합니다만이 두 태그구성 IP(사용자:117.248.62.212사용자:61.0.77.81)가 실제로 서로 다른 사람이라고 믿으라는 것인가?!믿을 수 없다. 2016년 5월 19일 12시Imperatrix Mundi 57분 (UTC)[응답하라]

그거 꽤 웃기는군.이 두 사람은 WP 경험이 있는 것 같다...궁금한데...TJH 2018톡 15:34, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
스포일러, 우리는 위키백과 편집의 문서화된 첫번째 사례를 발견했다.그들은 같은 사람이지만 그렇지 않다.티모시 조셉우드 15:47, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
이 두 개의 IP가 두 개라고 말한 사람은 아무도 없었으며, 만약 그렇다면, _____가 어디에서 이러한 아이디어를 얻는지(@FIM과 TJH2018)를 제공한다고 주장하지 않았다.이 절에서 나는 확신하지 않는다. 또는 이것이 너의 무분별한 장난의 계속이다.게다가 Timothoy는 당신의 행동에 대해 논쟁을 벌일 수도 있지만, 그 두 교란자와 함께 하기 전에 성장한다...나는 이런 사람(https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:22)이지만, 70까지가 아니라, 당신의 행동을 더욱 분명히 하기 위해 계속 버튼을 눌러라.무엇보다도 사회복지사는 어떻게 행동해야 하는지 알아야 하며, 특히 훈육을 받은 사회복지사는 그렇지 않으면 기본적인 지식이 부족하다고 말한다.네 거짓말이 괜찮다면, 네 거래에 응?만약 당신이 정말로 사회복지사라면, 당신의 고객들에게 피해를 주지 않도록 다시 장부로 돌아가라.스포일러가 투영이었다면, 어떤 학교에서 사이코패스학, 평가, 그리고 무엇보다도 윤리학을 가르쳐 주었는가?로핑 참조로 뽑았어야 했는데 61.146.196.19 (토크) 11:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
참고: 어떤 사회복지사가든 공평하고, 가치관에 충실하고, 진실하게 행동할 것을 요구하는 조언을 해줄게. 이것은 단지 큰 그림의 일부일 뿐이고, 만약 여러분이 이것들을 따를 수 있다면, 여러분도 훌륭한 위키백과 전문가가 될 수 있을 거라고 생각해.위키백과적 의미에서의 가치는 좋은 관행과 정책을 의미한다.행운을 빈다.61.146.196.199 (대화) 11:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
이 바보 같은 말다툼도 그만두자. 만약 제기된 문제가 어떤 관리자에 의해 확인되거나 조치를 취하지 않는다면, 부정적으로 관련된 모든 사람들이 그것에 대해 걱정하지 않도록 이 문제가 통과될 가능성이 충분히 있다.만약 어떤 조치가 취해진다면 그것에 도전하거나 추리를 묻고 앞으로 나아간다.게다가, 모든 것이 누가 무엇을 했는지, 누가 무엇을 했는지, 이 문제에 대해 설명할 것이 없어 보인다.이 ANI가 다른 관리자 및 편집자의 관점을 위한 소셜 작업 토크 페이지에 포함되었으면 좋겠다.61.146.196.19 (토크) 11:38, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

음, 재밌었어.이 실도 영구적인 해결책이 될 것 같지 않다.세미나가 만료되는 두 달 후에 여기서 다시 볼 수 있을 것 같아.티모시 조셉우드 19:32, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 코멘트 이것은 이 문제에 대한 네 번째 ANI이다.이것은 위에 나열된 이전 ANI 티켓의 재게시판이다.
  1. 위키백과:관리자 게시판/IncidentArchive915#IP-hopping, 편집-warring, trolling, vandalism 2016년 3월 3일 접수
  2. 위키백과:관리자 게시판/IncidentArchive919#Discontraction_editing, 편집-warring IP-hopper에 의한 vandalism을 인도 케랄라에서 2016년 4월 2일 접수
  3. 위키백과:관리자 게시판/IncidentArchive920#인도 케랄라에서 IP-hopping bandal/troll이 여전히 작동하고 있다. 영구적인 해결책이 필요하다.file13 2016년 4월
짐1138 (대화)20:44, 2016년 5월 20 (UTC)[응답]

토크:티모시 리어리

나는 이 문제를 여기에 가져온 것을 후회하지만, 나에게 대안이 거의 없는 것 같다.티모시 리어리 기사는 한동안 IP 주소를 사용하는 편집자들로부터 파괴적인 편집을 당했고, 가장 최근에는 렉토나르에 의해 여러 차례 반보호를 받게 되었다.기사를 교란하던 IP 이용자는 이제 좌절하고 대신 토크 페이지를 교란하고 있어 기사 개선과는 전혀 관계가 없고 주로 나를 욕보이기 위한 것으로 보이는 발언을 연달아 하고 있다.예를 들어, 이 코멘트는 위키피디아에 대해 일반적으로 불평하고 있다.나는 그대로 놔두고, IP에게 토크 페이지를 포럼으로 사용하는 것에 대해 경고했다.IP는 이러한 개인적인 학대로 대응했는데, 나는 이것을 WP에 대한 터무니없는 위반으로 제거했다.TALK, 100% 순수 트롤링이었고, 다시 한번 토크 페이지가 실제로 다루고 있는 기사와는 전혀 관련이 없다는 점을 감안한다.IP가 학대를 복원했다.나는 IP에 장시간의 블록이 주어질 것을 제안한다; 그리고 만약 정말로 필요하다면, 토크 페이지는 IP 편집으로부터 보호될 것이다.FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 03:37, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

참고로 IP는 로그아웃 시 AcidRock67 편집 가능성이 매우 높다.AcidRock67은 여기서 IP의 코멘트를 수정했는데, 일반적인 행동의 유사성과 함께 동일인임을 강하게 시사한다.FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 03:38, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 꽤 확실하다.또한, 그것은 다중 계정 남용이다.블록이 필요하다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 04:07, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
FKC는 티모시 리어리알두스 헉슬리를 모두 WP:B로 만들었다. 개인들이 철학자들이 어디에 있는가 하는 문제에 대해 토론한다.지난 몇 달 동안, 그는 우리 대부분이 10년 동안 했던 것보다 더 많은 드라마 보드 여행을 했다.그렇다, AcidRock67은 신참이다. 사실 FKC는 그가 보도될 수 있는 실수를 저지르기 전까지 그와 함께 편집전쟁(예: 최신판, [47], [48])을 벌이며, 반복적으로 기사를 보호해 달라고 요청하고, AC67을 기사 밖으로 가두고, 개인적인 의견보다 조금 더 적은 주장을 비타협적으로 주장함으로써 이익을 얻기를 좋아한다.예를 들어, 한 개인이 철학자로 고용되어야 직업에 의해서만 철학자가 될 수 있다는 그의 의견. (내가 보기에 그것은 그렇게 당신의 시간을 점유하기에 충분할 것 같다.)현실적으로 FKC는 서로 잘 지내기가 매우 어렵고 모든 것을 싸움으로 만들고 이후 드라마 게시판에서 끊임없이 투덜대는 그의 행동은 이 문제의 큰 부분이다.FKC는 그 규칙들을 알고 있고 그는 반대되는 견해를 가진 새로운 편집자를 제거하기 위해 그것을 무기로 사용하고 있다.그가 해야 할 일은 공동의 근거, 타협 또는 진정한 합의를 모색하는 것이다.네, AcidRock67은 실수를 하고 있습니다, 많은 실수들.하지만 그는 새로 온 사람이고 그런 실수를 하도록 자극받고 있다.이것은 항상 싸움에 두 개를 가져간 경우다.개인적으로, 내가 추천하는 것은 FKC가 이 두 기사에서 몇 달 동안 시간을 내서 AcidRock67의 모든 문제는 간단히 끝날 것이라고 장담한다.Msnicki (대화) 07:26, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
완전히 풀리지 않은 편집기의 설명:그럴지도 모르지만 별개의 문제인 것 같다.만약 AcidRock67이 IP로 여전히 공격/차단하고 있다면, 최근에 차단되어 더 잘 알고 있다면, 그는 매우 엄격하게 제재를 받아야 한다.삭발은 매우 심각한 위반이므로 반드시 제재를 받아야 한다.만약 관련 없는 IP가 대화 페이지를 방해한다면, 그것들도 어떻게든 다루어져야 한다.위키피디아를 정말로 편집하고 싶은 사람은 필요하다면 계정을 등록할 수 있다.FKC의 붕괴와 관련하여, 만약 그것들이 정말로 문제가 있다면, 아마도 완전히 별개의 문제가 있을 것이고, 아마도 최소한 임시적인 주제 금지가 제안될 수 있을 것이다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 07:35, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아니, Msnicki, 난 없어.티모시 리어리의 경우 Rfc가 아직 진행 중이고(내가 아는 한), 나는 레일리가 철학자가 되는 문제와 관련된 편집은 이제 꽤 오래 전부터 하지 않았다.알두스 헉슬리의 문제는 내가 몇 번이나 끈기 있게 지적했듯이 헉슬리가 철학자였는지가 아니라 '철학자'가 그의 직업이었는지가 문제가 아니다.그것은 단순한 구별이 되어야 한다.이 중 어느 것도 실제로 AcidRock67이 IP 주소를 사용해 Talk을 방해하는 것과 관련이 없다.티모시 리어리, 나에 대해 기사 개선과는 전혀 관계가 없는 모욕적인 발언을 한다.위키피디아의 규칙에 개의치 않고 따를 의사가 없는 파괴적인 사용자들에게 변명하지 않는 것이 좋을 것이다: 그리고 "FKC가 내가 그렇게 하도록 만들었다"는 것은 어떤 형태의 나쁜 행동에 대해서도 꽤 빈약한 변명이다.FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:34, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
나에 대한 Msnicki의 불평은 본질적으로 "나는 너를 좋아하지 않는다"로 요약된다.내 대답은 편집자들이 서로를 좋아하든 싫어하든 여기에도 없다는 것이다.그러나 편집자들은 서로 좋아할 필요가 없다. 그들은 사이트의 규칙을 따르려고 노력해야 한다.다시 말하지만, Msnicki의 주장에도 불구하고, Leary가 철학자가 되거나 Timothy Leary에서 진행되지 않는 것에 대한 편집 전쟁은 없다. 오히려, RfC가 진행 중이다.다시 말하지만, 기사에 대한 계속적인 반전이 아니라 알두스 헉슬리 토크 페이지에서 다소 격앙된 논의가 진행되고 있다.FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:41, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 계정 및 IP 2605:A000:1200:E013:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B가 2주 동안 차단되었다.필요시 사거리를 차단할 수 있기 때문에, 관련성 있어 보이는 IP가 같은 혼란을 계속하는 것을 볼 수 있는지 알려달라.(아마도 놀랍게도 IPv6로는 사실상 더 쉽다.) 비쇼넨톡 09:32, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답답하다]
  • AcidRock67/IP2605의 부품에 양말이나 블럭 에바신의 흔적이 전혀 보이지 않는다.애시드록67은 15일 24시간 차단됐으나 이 사건 당시 해당 블록이 만료돼 블록 탈피는 없었다.그리고 나서 그 사람은 로그인하지 않고 편집으로 돌아왔지만 속임수를 쓰거나 여러 계정을 사용하려고 하지 않았다.나는 그것보다 더 깊게 보지 않았지만 AcidRock67이 진짜 신인이라면 우리는 WP를 기억해야 한다.WIT. 위키피디아의 관습은 인터넷상의 다른 장소와는 상당히 다르며, 누군가가 이곳에 도착하면 어느 정도 적응할 수 있는 여지를 허용하도록 되어 있다. 50.0.121.79 (대화) 16:05, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • AcidRock67은 블록탈루죄가 아닐 수도 있지만 IP와 같은 사용자라면 자신의 계정에 연결하지 않고 파괴적 편집을 할 수 있도록 로그아웃한 죄가 있는 것으로 보인다.IP는 다른 사람이라고 주장하지는 않았을지 모르지만, AcidRock67이라는 것도 인정하지 않았다.FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:06, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

AFC 리뷰 사기 가능성?

최근 한 편집자가 찻집에 을 올려 그들이 초안을 작성해 온 기사의 주제가 돈을 대가로 초안을 승인해 달라는 제안과 함께 접촉했다고 밝혔다.위키백과를 참조하십시오.찻집/질문#초안 검토에 필요한 지원:카렌 시빌(Karen Civil)에서 자세한 내용을 확인하십시오.과거에 이런 유료 편집 사기가 있었던 것으로 알고 있기 때문에 그냥 플래그로 해야겠다고 생각했을 뿐인데, AfC의 면은 생소하다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 05:25, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

AfC에서 우리는 가끔 초안이 거절된 편집자들을 겨냥한 사기극에 대해 듣는다.이들은 2015년 6월 이후 여러 곳에 "창작조사의 보나피드 리뷰어들은 기사공간에 초안을 입수하거나 초안을 개선하거나 삭제된 기사를 복구하기 위해 누구에게도 연락하거나 대금을 청구하지 않을 것"이라는 안내문을 추가한 이후 빈도가 줄어들었다.만약 누군가가 당신에게 그런 제안을 한다면, 이 헬프 데스크 페이지에 글을 올려주십시오."그런데 몇 주 전 또 다른 사건이 있었다. --월드브루스 (대화) 06:34, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
안녕 코드리스 래리.나는 이것이 이전에 AfC를 통해 운영했던 Orangemoody 씨족이 사용한 최신 전략이라고 추측한다. 비록 약간 다른 방식으로 (과거 운영 방식에 대한 자세한 내용은 위키백과 참조:장기간의 학대/오렌지무디).또 이런 일이 몇 번이나 더 일어나고 있는지, 한 번도 언급하지 않았는지도 궁금하다.많은 편집자들은 월드브루스가 지적한 사례가 발생한 AFC 헬프 데스크만큼 멀리 가지 못한다.도움을 받거나 오퍼를 보고하기 위해 이러한 "강요"로 접근한 편집자들을 위한 특별한 OTRS 주소가 있다: info-orangemoody@wikipedia.org.위키피디아 상위권에는 이 사기행각에 대해 편집자들에게 경고하는 공지가 있다.창조를 위한 조항창조의 헬프 데스크, 그러나 경고는 좀 더 널리 보급될 필요가 있다.나는 개인적으로 누군가가 초안을 작성할 때마다 그리고 기사 마법사의 첫 페이지와 위키피디아 상단의 주요 편집 고시로도 표시되어야 한다고 생각한다. 번째 기사.Voceditenore (대화) 07:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
둘 다 고마워.나는 가디언을 포함한 그 사기 사건에 대해 읽었지만, 그다지 자세히는 아니어서 AfC와의 연관성이 있다는 것을 알지 못했다.나는 찻집 손님이 그 주소로 이메일을 보내라고 제안했다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 07:18, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

사람들이 정말 이것에 속아 넘어간다고?하프섀도우 17:38, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

만약 몇몇 사람들이 이미 쓰여질 기사에 돈을 지불하려고 한다면, 그들이 긍정적인 AFC 리뷰에 돈을 지불할 것이라고 나는 그렇게 놀랍지 않아 보인다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 22:18, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

중단 편집

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 "키호테틱 포테이토"는 참조 데스크 스레드에서 부적절하고 주제에서 벗어난 토론을 벌였다.레퍼런스 데스크 토크 페이지에서 어떻게 접어야 하는지 물어봤는데...그리고 나서 그는 그 실을 파괴적인 편집으로 채웠다.그리고 나서 어떻게 해서 그가 여러 번 불신임으로 되돌렸는지 알게 된 후 토론을 접었다.그리고 나서 레퍼런스 데스크 토크 페이지에서 그를 상대하는 데 도움을 청했다...그리고 나서 그는 그 실을 훨씬 더 파괴적인 편집으로 채웠다...붕괴 자체는 큰 문제가 아니지만 위키백과 프로젝트와 관련하여 그가 원하는 것은 무엇이든 할 수 있다는 그의 분명한 믿음이 더 중요하다.도와주셔서 고맙습니다.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk (토크) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science&action=history68.48.241.158 (토크) 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC) 18:35 [응답]

WP:STICK & WP:를 참조하십시오.부메랑.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 18:37, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답하라]
관련이 없는..관리인은 기록을 볼 수 있다...그들이 볼 수 있는 건 거기 있는 게 전부야..68.48.241.158 (대화) 18:51, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]
네가 무너지려고 하는 것은 "오프 토픽"이 아니다.그 섹션의 원본 포스터는 그가 "신"이라고 생각하는 것에 대해 몇 가지 진술을 했다.그것은 "신"이 무엇일지에 대한 토론을 열게 한다.뭐라도 무너져야 한다면 전체 구간이다.베이스볼 버그스카르티크What's up, Doc?→18:56, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]
그건 그냥 사실이 아니야..내가 무너지는 부분은 원문과는 직접적인 관련이 없으며 개인의 종교적 신념에 대해 앞뒤로 모욕하고 있다...68.48.241.158 (대화) 18:59, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]
원래의 질문은 또한 종교적 믿음을 모욕하는 것이다.베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?→ 19:01, 2016년 5월 15일(UTC)】[응답]
Refdesks는 철학을 다루어야 하고, 이런 종류의 질문은 보통은 인문학의 범주에 속하겠지만, OP는 자신이 만들고 있는 가설과 제안된 실험이 그에 대한 적절한 시험인지에 대해 실제로 생각해 보지 않았기 때문에 그것이 과학적인 질문이라고 생각했다.나는 사람들이 그것에 대해 의견이 다르다고 해서 우리가 주제들을 범위를 벗어나서는 안 된다고 생각한다.퀴호틱 포테이토 편집은 좀 이상한 방법이 있지만, 관리자 개입이 필요한 것은 전혀 눈치채지 못했다.실타래 치기에 관한 모든 문제는 필요하다면 현지 토크 페이지 컨센서스에 의해 처리될 수 있다.결국 모든 사람들이 진정되거나 누군가가 밝은 선을 넘을 것이지만, 현재로서는 관리자들이 개입할 필요는 없다.Wnt (토크) 19:22, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]
여기 OP는 원래 리프 데스크 토크 페이지에 올려놓고 여기로 가져오라는 말을 들었다.base야구 벅스 당근→ 19:40, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]
여기서 다시 언급할 생각은 없었지만 Future Perfect at Sunlay가 151.226.217.27을 차단한 이유는 LTA User이기 때문이다.나의 의혹을 확인하는 변화를 위한 투표 (X). 68.48.241.158은 아마도 파괴적이고 모두의 인내심을 고갈시킨 이유로 곧 다시 봉쇄될 것이다.나는 그들이 같은 사람인지 모르겠다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 09:37, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
아뇨, 같은 사람은 아니에요, 분명히..하지만 당신이 그 실에서 부적절하게 약혼한 사람(그리고 내가 적절히 붕괴시키려고 노력한 사람)인데, 그 실에서 당신은 계속해서 나쁜 믿음으로 좌절하지 않고...68.48.241.158 (대화) 10:01, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
WP를 읽어보십시오.INDENT. 151.226.217.27과 같은 사람인지 아닌지는 별로 중요하지 않다. 최종 결과는 같다.네가 계속 이렇게 행동하면 너는 계속 차단될 거야.지금은 6시야 IP 지오코사이트가 있는 곳이지.미시간에 있니?대리인을 사용하고 있는가? 151.226.217.27.27은 영국에서 왔고 영국 사람들은 이미 깨어났다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 10:05, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]

실 그 자체로는 관리인이 들어가서 부적절한 앞뒤의 반을 제거했다...그래서 이제 "양념적인 감자"의 부적절한 말들이 남아있어 마치 그가 그에게 말하는 것처럼...다시 말하지만, 이건 내가 원래 문제를 해결하려고 했을 때 계속 파괴적인 편집에 관한 거야.68.48.241.158 (대화) 10:12, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]

만약 그렇게 지루하지 않다면, 나는 네가 활동적인지 확인하고, 너의 IP 지오케이트가 있는 곳의 시간을 볼 것이다.람블링맨은 이미 당신에게 내 이름이 "키호테틱 감자"라고 지적했다.마치 퀘스트라는 부족과 슬릭백이라는 이름의 핌프처럼 말이다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 10:23, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
당신은 정확한 ENGVAR을 사용하고 있는 것 같고 미시간 대학에 갔다고 주장했으므로 아마도 매우 일찍 일어났을 것이다.당신은 짧은 위키피디아에서 꽤 많은 사람들을 화나게 했다. 5.150.93.133 또한 차단되었다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 11:14, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 당신이 지푸라기라도 잡고 정말 정말, 정말 어렵게 화제를 바꾸려고 노력하고 있다는 것을 이해한다. 그것은 바로 당신의 부적절한 행동이다. 그런 점에서 그것은 단지 더 부적절한 행동이며 나쁜 위키백과의 태도에 대한 지속적인 증거일 뿐이다.만약 당신이 그 붕괴를 복구하고 그 대화에 "나의 잘못"이라는 짧은 글을 올리면, 이 실마리를 끝낼 수 있을 것이다.이것은 당신이 당신의 "비적절한 편집 방법" 중 일부의 부적절함을 이해하도록 제안할 것이다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 12:35, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
하하하하하.네가 나를 크게 웃게 한 것은 이번이 두 번째야.감사합니다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 12:40, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]

CommentWikipedia:토크 페이지 지침#주석 상태 편집 ...이러한 템플릿[논의]다른 편집자의 반대에 대한 논의를 끝내기 위해 관련 당사자들에 의해 사용되어서는 안 된다.만약 이것이 Science refdesk에 적용된다면, IMHO IP와 TQP는 서로와 마찬가지로 유죄가 된다.이런 말을 한 이상, 그러한 행동은 행정적인 조치가 필요한 것이 아니라 아마도 "송어"에 대한 사례일 것이다.닥터크리시(talk) 13:13, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]

참고: 나는 두 편집자가 계속 언급했던 부적절한 주제와 관련 있는 당사자가 아니었다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 13:17, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
그것이 "오프 토픽"이라는 당신의 주장은 거짓이다.베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→ 13:49, 2016년 5월 16일(UTC)[응답]
그건 말도 안 되는 주장일 뿐이야(Wnt가 기본적으로 대화 페이지에서 동의한 것처럼) 주제에서 벗어난 것일 뿐만 아니라, 또한 부적절했다(애드 호미넴 공격/타너츠 등).68.48.241.158 (대화) 13:58, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
터무니없는 것은 너의 주장이다.베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→ 2016년 14:00, 5월 16일(UTC)[응답]
당신의 신념에 근거하는 논리가 있는가?단순히 ad hominem attacks/toom이 적절하다고 생각하십니까?68.48.241.158 (대화) 14:03, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
와우, 너 친구 잘 사귀는구나.Wnt는 (분명히) 네 편이 아니고, 아무도 아니다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 14:05, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
참고: Chrissy 박사가 게시한 인용문에는 접선(Off-topic 또는 on-topic)에 관여하는 것에 대해 언급되어 있지 않다.넌 그 실타래에 관여했어.나는 당신을 트롤링하는 것이 유용할 것이라고 생각하지 않으며, 지금 막히더라도 상관하지 않는다. 왜냐하면 당신의 행동은 당신이 행동을 과감하게 바꾸지 않는 한 계속해서 당신을 차단할 수 있는 패턴을 분명히 보여주기 때문이다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 13:49, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
미래에 언젠가 내가 차단되기를 바란다는 말을 반복하는 것 자체가 주제에서 벗어나서 이 논의에 지장을 준다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 14:01, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
파괴라는 단어가 무슨 뜻인지 아십니까?내 충고를 듣고 싶지 않겠지만, 반복해서 차단당하는 것을 피하고 싶다면 행동을 과감하게 바꾸라고 권하고 싶다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 14:04, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]

관리자 부탁: 내가 진정으로 원하는 유일한 해결책은 신실한 관리자가 자신의 토크 페이지에 "양심적인 감자"를 주의해서 레퍼런스 데스크 토론에서 주제를 벗어나지 않도록 하고, 레퍼런스 데스크 토론에서 호미넴 공격/고모 등을 피하며, 이를 완화하려는 다른 편집자들의 악의적인 편집 내용을 방해적으로 되돌리지 않도록 하는 것이다.e 피해(부적절한 토의 붕괴)시간 내주셔서 감사합니다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 14:19, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]

다시 세 번째, "키호테틱 감자" 입니다.내 사용자 이름에 문제가 있으십니까?관리자들은 당신이 시키는 대로 하지 않을 것 같다; 그들은 경험 많은 위키백과 사용자들이며 그들은 변화를 위한 투표 (X)와 당신 자신으로부터 나와 같은 사람들을 보호하기 위해 일하고 있다.당신이 clpo13의 토크 페이지에 글을 올렸을 때 clpo13이 당신을 무시했을 때 기억하십니까?우리는 백과사전을 만들려고 노력하고 있는데, 너의 파괴적인 행동과 지팡이를 떨어뜨리기를 거부하는 것은 도움이 되지 않는다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 14:24, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래, 그는 이것이 ANI에 있을만한 가치가 있다고 믿었고 분명히 그 믿음을 고수했다.다시 말하지만, 이것은 당신의 특정한 행동에 관한 것이다.주제를 바꾸려는 당신의 거듭된 신경질적인 시도는 관련이 없다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 15:09, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
"네버ous."하하하하하.네가 나를 크게 웃게 한 것은 이번이 세 번째야.다시한번 감사합니다.Clpo13 역시 당신 편이 아니고, 아무도 없지만, 이것이 ANI에 있을 만한 가치가 있는 것은 사실인데, 그것은 미래에 당신의 행동에서 패턴을 더 쉽게 증명할 수 있게 해주기 때문이다.페이지 기록에 있는 모든 것, 심지어 금지된 사용자가 삭제한 게시물들까지도 접근할 수 있다. 그래서 아무도 당신 편이 아니다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 15:16, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래, 모든 것이 기록되어 있어. 내 희망은 훌륭한 행정관이거나, 아니면 두 사람이 함께 그렇게 하길 바래.68.48.241.158 (대화) 15:23, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 당신이 당신과 의견이 다른 어떤 관리자도 "성실한 관리자"가 아니라고 주장할 것이라고 예측한다.사실 위키피디아에 대해 너와 의견이 다른 모든 사람들은 호의적인 사람들이야. 하지만 사람들은 네 행동에 넌더리가 나. 난 그들을 비난할 수 없어.그렇기 때문에 당신의 토크 페이지는 불만 사항으로 가득 차 있고, 알림을 차단하고, 차단되지 않은 요청을 거절하는 것이다.전에도 여러 번 말했듯이 반복해서 막히는 것을 피하고 싶다면 행동을 과감하게 바꾸라고 권하고 싶다.막대기를 내려놓고, 사람들을 괴롭히지 말고, 사람들을 모욕하지 말고, 사람들의 시간을 낭비하지 말고, 방해하지 마.만약 당신이 그렇게 할 수 없다면, 당신은 분명히 백과사전을 짓기 위해 여기 있는 이 아니다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 15:25, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]
이 토론의 주제를 바꾸려는 또 다른 시도가 보인다(걱정하지 마, 나는 물론 보고 있으니까 계속 반복하고 싶으면 계속 볼 거야)...흥미롭게도, 당신은 아직 이것이 무엇에 관한 것인지에 대해 한 번도 언급하지 않았다. 그것은 변명의 여지가 있는 만큼 말이 된다. 행정관이 함께 하기를 희망한다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 15:45, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
는 WP에 연결했다:부메랑, 그러니까 경고를 받지 않았다고는 할 수 없다.인용: "여러 게시판에, 특히 사고 게시판에, 그들이 보도하고 있는 문제에 대해 편집자들이 진정으로 잘못을 저지르는 보고서들이 종종 있다. 다른 경우에, 어떤 사람은 사건에서 다른 편집자의 행동에 대해 불평할 수 있지만, 그 사건이 일어나는 동안 그들은 그들 스스로 훨씬 더 나쁜 위반을 저질렀다. 두 경우 모두, 그러한 편집자들은 보통 그들이 보도하려고 했던 사람들보다는 그들 자신에 대한 제재를 발견할 것이다."이번 ANI 토론에 근거해 막히지는 않을 것으로 생각하지만, 다음에 이런 행동을 할 때 당신의 역사가 제기될 것이라고 확신하며, 그 패턴을 보는 것은 꽤 쉽다.넌 계속 새로운 적을 만들고 있어. 그리고 언젠가는 사람들이 충분히 가질 수 있을 거야.BTW, The Rambling Man은 관리인이며, The Rambling Man은 당신에게 내 사용자 이름이 "키호테틱 감자"라고 말했다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 15:52, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
부메랑이 여기엔 관련이 없어애초에 제대로 된 붕괴를 허락하지 않아서 이 모든 게 필요했던 거야그리고 또 다른 편집자는 토론이 여기 있다고 믿었기 때문에 관련 토크 페이지에서 토론을 끝냈다...나는 특별히 여기서 "친구"나 "에니"를 만들지 않는다. 왜냐하면 나는 그것을 소셜 네트워킹 사이트로 보지 않기 때문이다.나는 정책이 일관되게 시행되어야 한다고 주장한다.불행히도, 어떤 사람들에게 폐를 끼쳤지68.48.241.158 (대화) 15:59, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답]
후후후후후후후후후후후후후후후후후!바르게 들여쓰는 법을 배웠잖아감사합니다.넌 여기서 특별히 친구를 사귀지 않아, 그건 사실이야.당신은 분명히 여기 정책과 지침과 불문율들을 이해하지 못한다. 나는 그것에 대해 당신을 비난할 수 없다. 왜냐하면 그것은 당신이 매우 오랜 시간이 걸릴 것이기 때문이다. 하지만 운 좋게도 당신 같은 사람들은 RFA를 통과할 수 없기 때문에 당신은 그것들을 많이 이해할 필요가 없다.여기 내가 전에 쓴 것들의 인용구가 있다: 가서 유용한 일을 하고, 기사를 써라. 여기서 내 작업관리 목록을 볼 수 있다: 사용자:The_Quixotic_감자/토도. 티에리 레고에 대해 괜찮은 기사를 쓴다면 헛간 별을 주겠다. 프랑스어 위키피디아는 티에리 레고에 관한 기사를 가지고 있다. 만약 내가 원하면 내가 몇 가지 출처를 알려 줄 수 있어. 너는 그 기사에 근거해서 기사를 쓸 수 있어. 만약 네가 기사를 쓰고 싶지 않다면 내가 오타를 고치도록 도와줄 수 있겠니? 오타가 있을 수 있는 목록을 보려면 여기를 클릭하십시오. 티에리 레고에 대한 기사를 쓰거나 오타를 고치거나 다른 유용한 일을 하라. 나는 이미 당신에게 WP에 대한 링크를 보냈다.스틱. 내 제안은 아직 유효해. 티에리 레고에 대해 괜찮은 기사를 쓴다면 헛간 별을 줄게.그는 매우 흥미로운 사람이다. 그는 주목할만하다. 그리고 이것은 당신의 첫 번째 헛간 스타가 될 수 있다.기사 쓸 거야?기존 기사를 개선하시겠습니까?키호테틱 감자 (토크) 16:02, 2016년 5월 16일 (UTC)[응답하라]

이 실에 자꾸 관련 없는 내용을 집어넣는(그리고 그것을 되돌리게 하는) 사람이, 같은 사람 "Quixotic Potter"가 부적절하게 관여했던 사람(그리고 내가 적절히 붕괴를 시도했지만 계속적인 "Quixotic Potter"의 부적절한 행동에 의해 내 시도에 차질이 생긴 사람인가??68.48.241.158 (대화) 12:09, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]

내 사용자 이름이 "키호테틱 포테이토"인 거 알잖아.WP에 따르면:Duck you are a troll, 마치 금지된 "friend"처럼.나는 너와 교감하는 것을 그만두려고 한다(아마도 너를 조롱하기 위해서만은). 왜냐하면 그것이 엘리멘탈 교수가 나에게 시킨 일이기 때문이다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 13:25, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답하라]
내 친구?내가 말하려고 했던 부적절한 대화의 절반인 사람(다른 절반은 너야)훌륭한 논리학..그의 반쪽이 제대로 제거되었다는 것을 눈치채고, 당신의 반칙과 어리석은 직책은 모두가 ...을 볼 수 있도록 남아 있다.내가 알기론 그 메세지를...지금 당장 당신을 상대하기에 충분한 시간을 가진 관리자가 충분하지 않을 수 있다)68.48.241.158 (대화) 13:43, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]

부메랑/인덱스 반 IP 편집자 요청은 위키백과에 기여하기 위해 온 것이 아니라 시간만 낭비하는 것이 분명하며, 그 중 이미 그 목표를 달성한 것은 타라지(토크) 18:26, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]

나의 수백 가지의 유익한 기여를 살펴볼 수 있다. 나의 수백 가지의 유익한 기여를 볼 수 있다. 참조 데스크의 실에서 두 편집자 사이의 소외되고 완전히 부적절한 토론이 이러한 유익한 기여 중 하나였다.반면에 내가 이 일을 한 후 "Qixotic Potter"의 파괴적인 행동은 (결국 여기에 이 실이 필요했다.)68.48.241.158 (대화) 18:51, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
당신이 그의 이름을 계속 인용하며 그의 이름을 계속 틀리게 쓴다는 사실은 당신이 여기에 시민적이거나 기여하기 위해 온 것이 아니라 단지 시간을 낭비하기 위해 온 것이라는 것을 보여주는 증거다.가버리기 전에 가버린다. --타라지 (대화) 19:16, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
그가 내가 "더"를 포함한다고 바보 같은 태도로 반복해서 주장하는 것은 위키백과에서 그의 유치한/부적절한 행동을 더 잘 보여주는 것이다...사용자 이름을 참조할 때 따옴표를 사용하는 것이 잘못된 것은?아직 관리자 기다리는 중...68.48.241.158 (대화) 19:22, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답하라]
관리자들은 당신이 관심을 기울이기를 원한다면 이미 당신에게 말을 걸었다.이것은 너에게 좋게 끝나지 않을 것이다.누군가에게 그들이 부르고 싶은 대로 부를 수 있는 적절한 존경심조차 결여되어 있다는 것은 당신 자신의 유치함의 증거지만, 당신은 그것을 보지 않으려 한다.너의 공격이 곧 내 방향을 바꿀 거라고 확신하지만, 그건 괜찮아.밧줄은 충분히 받았어. --타라지 (대화) 20:02, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
위키피디아에 있는 사람을 공격한 적이 한 번도...누가 이것을 다룬 관리자인가?(이 실이 실제로 무엇에 관한 것인지 굳이 조사해 보았는가, 아니면 이 실에 포함된 대부분 관련 없는 내용만 읽어보았는가?)68.48.241.158 (대화) 20:08, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
68.48.241.158은 한 사람을 공격(최소)했고, 행정관 커피는 68.48.241.158을 차단하여 이 문제를 해결했다.
21:36, 2016년 3월 1일 커피(토크 기여)는 유효기간이 1주(계좌생성 차단)로 68.48.241.158(토크) 차단(인신공격 또는 괴롭힘)
68.48.241.158은 아마도 커피가 "성실한 관리자"가 아니라고 주장할 것이다.타라지는 10년 넘게 위키피디아 사용자로 있으면서 블록로그가 깔끔하다.68.48.241.158이 '착한 행정가'를 찾기가 정말 어려운 것 같아(수백 명씩 나열되는 이 링크누군가 보내줬음에도 불구하고) 어떻게 타라지가 그동안 어떻게 막혔는지 알 수 없다.</기호>
키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:40, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답하라]
부적절한 블록에 대한 추론은 토크 페이지 내용 토론에서 "요점을 파악하지 못한" 것으로 간주되었다. 관리자(ad ad ad ad ad admin)는 이를 "인신공격"으로 잘못 기재했다.나는 즉시 그 블록과 부정확한 명기된 이유에 반대했지만 (보여진 바와 같이) 그것은 다루어지지 않았다.다시 말하지만, 이건 이 실이...에 관한 것과는 전혀 상관없는 일이야.이 스레드는 당신의 구체적인 행동에 관한 것이다. (실제로 다른 사용자를 개인적으로 공격한 것을 포함함...모든 것이 객관적으로 기록에서 바로 볼 수 있다.)당신은 한 번도 이것이 무엇에 관한 것인지에 대해 연설한 적이 없지만(그것은 이해할 수 있다, 당신이 방어할 수 없기 때문에) 계속해서 주제를 교란적으로 바꾸었다(또한 부적절하다).68.48.241.158 (대화) 10:56, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
위키피디아에서 당신이 대화한 모든 사람들은 틀렸고 당신이 옳다.다른 사람들과의 교류의 대부분이 즐겁지 않다는 것은 우리의 잘못이다.모든 관리자들은 불신하게 행동하고 있다.물론 당신을 제외한 우리 모두는 차단되어야만 위키피디아를 평화롭게 편집할 수 있다.우리는 모두 미쳤고, 당신을 이해할 만큼 똑똑하지 않다.미디어위키가 완전히 무료라는 것을 알고 있니?나 같은 멍청이들을 상대하지 않아도 되니까 네 웹서버에 설치할 수 있어.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 11:13, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

참고:나는 원래 참조 데스크 스레드에서 부적절한 내용을 처리하는 데 실시간 도움을 구하고 있었다. 그래서 이 스레드가 참조 데스크의 역사 속으로 사라지면서 이 문제는 무질서하게 되었다.그 같은 사용자가 이제 이 실에 이 실의 주제와 전혀 무관한 내용의 벽(이 문제를 한 번도 다루지 않은 것)을 채웠는데, 이 또한 완전히 부적절하다...잠재적으로 할 수 있는 유일한 것은 OP에 기술되어 있고 이 실에서 볼 수 있는 자신의 일반적인 부적절한 행동에 대해 관리자가 이 사용자에게 훈계하게 하는 것이다.만약 관리자가 이 특정한 문제에 대한 시간을 찾지 못한다면, 머지않아 무인이 될 수 있다고 가정해 보십시오.시간 내줘서 고마워..68.48.241.158 (대화) 11:11, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

이 ANI 보고서가 오히려 화려한 방식으로 역효과를 냈다는 것을 이제야 깨달은 지금 초조해졌는가?키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 11시 15분, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답하라]
모든 범죄를 다루기에는 경찰관이 충분하지 않고, 모든 부정행위를 다루기에는 행정관이 충분하지 않다. 그렇게 간단하다. (그것은 당신이 그것을 부적절하게 채운 방법에만 역효과를 낸다.네가 그것 자체에 대해 훈계하는 것을 보니 좋구나, 그것이 적절할 것이다.)68.48.241.158 (대화) 11:21, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
적절한 단어가 무엇을 의미하는지 아십니까?당신은 파괴라는 단어에 대한 당신 자신의 정의를 사용하고 있는 것 같다.Tarage는 이렇게 썼다: "강제하게 사라지기 전에 떠나라."그것은 너처럼 행동하는 사람에 대한 적절한 대응이다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 11:35, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
아니, 그런 종류의 진술을 포함해서 그의 조언도 완전히 부적절하다고 말할 수..68.48.241.158 (대화) 11:39, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
그리고 최근에 네가 방해적으로 편집한 블록도 부적절한 블록이었니?그 관리자 역시 "성실한 관리자"가 아니었던가?그리고 같은 범죄에 대한 가장 최근 블록이 끝난 지 2주 만에 다시 교란적으로 편집한다는 사실이 적절한가 아니면 부적절한가?키호테틱 감자 (토크) 11:50, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답하라]
내가 그 블록에 대해 어떻게 생각하는지 내 토크 페이지를 봐봐. 거기선 괜찮아. 분명히 설명했어. (나는 관련 없는 대사를 따라 너와 더 이상 관계를 갖지 않을 거야.그러니 관련없는 직책을 하나 더 넣을 수 있도록 허락하겠지만, 그 안에 무엇이 들어있든 나는 응답하지 않을 것이다.)68.48.241.158 (대화) 11:57, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 내가 동료애와 실제로 모든 당사자의 의견을 들을 수 있는 의지를 조언할 수 있도록 허락한다.Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 2016년 5월 18일(UTC) 12:00[응답]
문제는 이 스레드의 90%가 말 그대로 OP/Original 이슈와 전혀 무관한 것으로 삭제될 수 있다는 점이다.어떤 관리자가 이 모든 것을 읽기를 원하는가?내 생각에 모든 것에 주의를 기울일 행정가가 충분하지 않다고 생각한다... 이상적으로 이것은 즉시 검토되고 해결되어 이 실의 반복적인 붕괴를 피할 수 있었을 것이기 때문이다...하지만 이 시점에서 그것은 대부분 잃어버린 원인이다.68.48.241.158 (대화) 12:13, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
전형적인 "투 투 투 탱고" 상황인 것 같다.만약 사람들이 이것을 방문해서 TQP에서 20개의 게시물을 찾았고, 당신이 그것을 시작한 첫 번째 댓글 외에 다른 어떤 것도 발견하지 못했다면, 사람들은 아마도 조치를 취할 정도로 충분히 염려했을 것이다.그러나 사람들이 이것을 방문하고 당신과 TQP 사이에 20번의 왔다 갔다 하는 것을 발견했을 때 ANI에서 대부분의 유사한 경우에서처럼 아무 일도 일어나지 않을 것 같다.다시 말해, 이 실의 절반은 기부했을 때 이 실의 대부분이 전혀 무관하거나 파괴적이라고 불평하지 말라.또한 분쟁에 관련된 모든 편집자의 AN//I 행동도 일반적으로 검토된다는 점에 유의하십시오.토론은 OP가 우리가 보길 원하는 행동에만 국한되지 않는다.닐 아인(토크) 21:40, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
제발 트롤에게 먹이를 주지 마.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 02:46, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
68.48.241.1987이 차단되었다.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 10:13, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

스텔스 탐문 수사 / 미트푸펫리 의심

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

최근 사용자 요청 사항:Hchc2009는 2016년 5월 13일 자신의 토크 페이지에 [49]("패턴 편집") 내가 요청한 대로 답변을 받지 못했다.

"커크햄 하우스 (2016년 5월 8일, 15:23, 8일), The Grange, Broadhembury (06:46, 2016년 5월 10일)에 대한 당신의 최근 편집 내용은 다음과 같다.그란지, 브로드헴베리 (06:46, 2016년 5월 10일), 존 와덤 (1578년 사망) (06:28, 2016년 5월 12일); 오를레앙의 마노르 (11:17, 2016년 5월 13일)는 표지를 표시하고 패턴을 편집하는데, 이는 위키피디아 정책의 일부에 위배되는 것으로 합리적으로 해석될 수 있다.이 메시지는 어떤 위반에 대한 고발이 아니라 단지 그 입장을 명확히 해달라는 요청일 뿐이다."

나는 이 문제에 대해 약간의 관리감독을 받는 것에 감사해야 한다. 그것은 또한 사용자:Smalljim과도 관련이 있다.고마워요.(Lobstertermidor (토크) 10:04, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답하라]

사심 없는 파티로서- (생각해보고 싶은) 롭스와 헉 둘 다와 잘 어울린다- 이 말은 꼭 해야겠는데, 이건 정말 나쁜 생각인 것 같아.Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 2016년 5월 19일 10시 17분(UTC)[응답하라]
  • 에 언급된 문제들에 관여하지 않은 누군가가 그것들을 살펴봤기 때문에, 나는 이 요구가 터무니없다고 말해야 한다.좋은 백과사전 작업을 하기 위해 이곳에 와 있는 WP 편집자들이 있다.그리고 WP 에디터들은 그들의 모든 변덕을 따르기 위해 이곳에 왔다. 그리고 그들의 편집이 확인되면 시간을 낭비하는 드라마를 만들어낸다.누가 누구인지는 분명하다고 생각한다.에릭 13:34, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
이제 내가 제기한 구체적인 문제에 대해 네가 언급할 수 있겠니?내가 제기한 편집 패턴이 순전히 우연이라고 생각한다면 그렇게 말해라.그렇지 않으면 최소한 WP 규칙이 지켜지고 적절한 곳에 제재를 가하는 것처럼 보이도록 하자.(Lobstertermidor (토크) 14:10, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답하라]
(비관리자 논평) 솔직히 말하면, 나는 당신의 비난이 내 토크 페이지에 올라갔다면, 나는 대응하지 않았을 것이다.그 표현에도 불구하고 그것은 꽤 노골적인 것으로 보인다.얼마 전에 여기 온 것 같은 두 명의 유저에게 여러 가지 비난을 퍼부었잖아.네가 언급한 수정사항들에도 불구하고 나는 눈에 띄게 정책에서 벗어난 것을 볼 수 없다.WP에서 보고 있는 것이 있다면:OP의 이슈를 소유한다.그리고 나는 이것이 스텔스 캔버스싱의 표준과 잘 맞지 않는다고 생각한다.하지만 그건 나뿐. --Cameron11598(Talk) 19:37, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]
정말 미안해, 내가 "오랫동안 여기 있었던 것 같다"는 사용자 두 명과 그 중 한 명은 관리자인 내가 문제를 제기하는 것은 너무 무례한 행동이야. 그나저나 몰래 탐문수사를 하고 있는 사람이지.그는 2013년 11월 9일 A/I 보고서를 자신의 마음에 들지 않게 마감했던 동료 행정관에게 그가 했던 터무니없는 은밀한 조사를 방금 내게 가져왔다.[50] 그는 즉시 다음과 같이 WP를 만들었다.스텔스WP:지금까지 나에게 알려지지 않은 그에게 (여기에) COVER가 접근하여 그가 (김덴 브라운)에게 다음과 같이 물었다.가 지금 Talk에서 밝혔듯이 "AN/I 종결의 단어를 좀 바꿔서 균형을 맞출 수 있겠니?"그가 "간단한 대화"라고 특징지은 그란지, 브로드헴베리(20:14, 2016년 5월 10일)를 꼽았다.AN/I에서 거부 판정을 받은 관리자가 AN/I 폐쇄 관리자에게 은밀히 접근하여 보다 유리한 결론을 요구해도 괜찮을까?이것은 나에게 알리지 않고 한 일인데, 그것은 은밀히 탐문하는 것으로 보인다.하지만, 이봐, 난 단지 이 근처 후배일 뿐이야.나는 Hchc의 친구 중 한 명이 그의 토크 페이지에 "당신은 이 메시지를 삭제하기 전에 그의 배경을 확인하는 것을 좋아했었죠, 맞죠?Hchc는 헨리 1세(잉글랜드), 스티븐 1세(잉글랜드), 존(잉글랜드)을 FA 지위에 올려놓는 등 54,000개의 편집을 했다.그는 양말뭉치가 아니다.2009년부터 신들을 위해 편집을 시작했다고 말했다.나는 여기서 모든 것이 평등하고 아무도 WP 정책 위에 있지 않다는 인상을 받았다.내가 틀렸다면 이 부탁은 그만하고 풋내기에 내려 놓자.나는 합리적인 사람이 무언가 잘못되었다고 의심하기 위해 5가지 소명 자료를 인용했지만, 그것은 단지 "여러 가지 비난을 퍼붓는 것"이라고 일축했다.관련 당사자(사용자:Hchc2009사용자:Smalljim)는 이곳에 와서 설명을 하는 것이 면역이 된 것 같은데, 그렇게 보이나?그들은 적절한 방법으로 통지를 받았다.(Lobstertermidor (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 19:46[응답]
나는 랍스터미더가 무슨 말을 하는지 모르겠다; 만약 당신이 누군가를 고발할 거라면 a) 그것이 무엇인지를 말하고 b) WP를 게시한다:DIF. 어떤 경우에도, 나는 "여기서는 모든 것이 평등하다"는 생각이 어디서 시작되었는지 모르지만, 그것은 명백히 우스꽝스러운 일이다.누구나 편집할 수 있는 백과사전이라고 해서 모든 사람이 유토피아적 판타지라고 할 수는 없다.정책 위에 있는 사람은 아무도 없지만 정책은 회색이고 장기 기여자들은 조금 더 느슨해진다.아, 그리고 그렇다, WP:백도어 탐방은 일반적인 전술이며, 정책별로, 관리자들은 서로 협의하도록 권장된다. 예를 들어, "합리적인 의심이 존재할 수 있다면, 자주 독립 관리자에게 검토를 요청하고 (타당한 경우) 조치를 취하는 것이 좋다." NE Ent 22:18, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

2.25.198.11의 중단적 편집

2.25.129.11(토크 · 기여 · 삭제 기여 · 필터 로그 · WHOIS · RDNS · RDBS · RBLs · http · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)은 현재 상당 기간 동안 파괴적 편집에 관여해 왔다.그들은 4월 말로 돌아간다.이 IP는 WP를 무시한 범죄심리 및 법질서: 특수피해자부(Criminal Minds and Law & Order: Special Defilities Unit)의 시즌 페이지에 출연자가 시즌별로 출연하는 에피소드 순서를 지속적으로 추가해 왔다.TVCAST. Criminal Minds(시즌 11)에서 가장 활발히 활동하고 있다(토크 히스토리 링크 보기 로그 편집).그들은 편집에 대한 경고를 받았고, 나 말고 다른 사용자들에 의해 되돌아왔다.그들은 공감대를 형성하기 위해 어떠한 대화도 하지 않았다.그들은 단지 그들의 편집 내용을 계속해서 추가함으로써 전쟁을 편집한다.만약 디프가 필요하다면 나에게 알려줘.콜메밀라 🍁 {Talk} 00:59, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

(비관리자 의견) 위키백과:AN3이 이러한 우려를 해소하기에 더 좋은 장소일 수 있다. 172.56.42.13 (대화) 03:44, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

IP는 여기와 같은 그들의 파괴적인 편집을 계속해왔다.누가 좀 막아줄래?콜메밀라 🍁 {Talk} 16:47, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

무함마드 오랑 제브 무굴 레스팸

위키피디아에 추가하라는 뜻이었어:관리자 알림판/IncidentArchive922#참조 스팸(실제로 추가했고, 아카이브임을 깨달은 후 스스로 되돌아가야 했다.)@Doug Weller, Liz, SpacemanSpiff, Deli nk, DMacks, David Eppstein: 그 토론에 참여한 사람들에게 알린다.

원래 ANI 불만사항은 약 39.37.116.188(대화 · 기여)과 119.158.13.23(대화 · 기여)이었지만, 한 편집자가 사용하는 더 많은 IP가 관련되어 있다고 생각한다.

이 IP들 중 몇몇은 SPI에서 보고되었지만, 나는 그가 어떤 종류의 양말도 아닌 것이 분명하다고 생각한다; 그는 단지 위키피디아를 익명으로 편집하고 있을 뿐이며, 각 세션마다 다른 IP를 가지고 있다.감시망을 뚫기 위해 IP를 껑충껑충 뛰어다녔을지도 모르지만, 난 그걸 알 방법이 없어.

가 찾아낸 바로는 그의 역사표를 한 장 모았다.WP:스팸으로 가져가려고 했는데, 여기가 더 적절하고, 어떻게 해야 할지 결정하는 데 더 많은 눈과 기술을 얻을 수 있을 것 같다.

편집 하나하나 다 체크해봤는데 결국엔 다 때려주겠다는 뜻이야. 시간 맞춰가면서 말이야.처음 네 개의 IP를 통해 작업할 수 있었지만, 나머지 모든 IP를 검사했다.몇 시간 며칠 동안 그의 편집 내용을 살펴보면서 내가 발견한 것은 다음과 같다.

  • 각각의 IP는 대부분의 IP가 하나의 날짜에 대해 편집이 있고, 때로는 두 개의 IP가 더 많은 날짜에 대해 편집한 것을 가지고 있다.
  • 모든 단일 편집 그의 편집의 대부분은 무함마드 오랑 제브 무갈의 인용구들과 관련이 있다; 보통 그것을 추가하고, 때때로 약간 재포맷하거나, 도이를 업데이트하거나, 그의 논문을 출판된 기사로 대체한다.
  • 하나의 계정을 제외하고 편집된 기사에 다른 것이 거의 추가되지 않았다.한 통장이 가장 오래되고 역사가 가장 긴데, 같은 사람인지 알 길이 없다. 아마 아닐 것이다.
  • 나는 그의 작품을 인용한 것이 아닌 편집 4개를 발견했다.
  • 각 편집 세션마다 그의 주제 중 하나와 관련이 있을 수 있는 기사를 찾고, 조금이라도 가능성이 있어 보이는 곳에 인용문을 심는 모습을 보여준다. (이 견해는 확실히 AGF가 아니라는 것을 나는 알고 있다.)
  • 인용문의 많은 부분은 그가 아직 대학원에 다닐 때 백과사전으로 쓴 글들이다.
  • 그 책들은 대부분(?) 가끔 멜렌 출판사가 출판하는 것으로 보아 학문적 허영심 언론이라는 평판을 받고 있다.
  • 그는 매우 인내심이 강하고 집요하며, 종종 그것이 되돌리거나 제거된 후 며칠 또는 몇 주 후에 다시 ref를 추가한다.
  • 그는 적어도 2013년 3월부터 이렇게 스팸메일을 보내고 있다.
  • 이러한 편집의 총 카운트는 627 705이다.
업데이트 대상 — 고시안(토크) 02:59, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)[답글]

나는 그의 모든 추천서를 삭제해야 한다고 생각한다; 그는 이 행동에 대해 어떤 식으로든 보상을 받아서는 안 된다.나는 그를 막기 위해 또 어떤 조치를 취할 수 있는지 모르겠다.그는 경고를 받은 몇 번을 대답하지 않았다.고시안 (대화) 02:33, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

사용자:WT에서 문의한 TPARIS:일전에 WP에 대한 COI:셀카이트.여기 ANI에서 이 사건이 하나 있는데, 위에 한 사건이 커뮤니티 사이트-반으로 막 닫힌 사건이 하나 있다.학문은 꽤 규칙적으로 다시 청소하고, 그렇게 하는 데 지장을 초래하고, 사람들은 그것을 발견한다.언짢은나는 여기에 설명된 전용 장기 스팸메일을 어떻게 해야 할지 잘 모르겠다.당신은 어떻게 생각하나요?Jytdog (대화) 03:25, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 단순한 리스팸이 아니다. 예를 들어, 대학원생/이제 포스트 닥터가 이 책에 기고자일 뿐 아니라, 그들은 이 책을 참고자로 사용했고, 여기서 그 사람이 언급된 섹션에 기고자가 아니라는 것이 문제인 경우 그들의 이름을 참조로 추가했다.나는 내 토크 페이지에서 이 토론을 시작리젠츠 박에 대한 두 번째 예의를 갖추게 되었는데, 그때 나는 DVDM, 오슈와, 오레스가 이미 이 난장판을 치우며 시간을 보내고 있다는 것을 알게 되었다.이것은 위키백과 편집자의 평균 수명 주기보다 더 긴 3년 이상 일어났고 많은 사람들의 시간을 낭비하고 있다.IP의 단일한 노력 때문에, 더 이상의 혼란을 막기 위해 편집 필터가 필요할 것이다.스페이스맨스파이프 04:30, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 편집 필터에 적합한 후보 입니다.다이애나 (대화) 04:35, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 차라리 똑똑한 게 낫지, 명칭의 변형을 생각해 내는 4276가지 방법이 있으니까. - DVDM (토크) 06:24, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
이는 여러 프로젝트에서 결국 지지하거나 그런 일을 한 크랜틀버마(토크·출연자들)의 끈질긴 노력과 유사하게 들린다(다른 주제가 있기는 하지만).Dvdm이 정답: 철자 문제 - 지시 기사는 자신의 의제를 계속 밀어붙이기 위해 대체 철자를 채택하는 끈질긴 남용자들에 의해 일상적으로 조작된다. - 시투시 (대화) 06:37, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
편집 필터가 도움이 안 되는 게 확실해?더그 웰러 토크 14:19, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

뭔가 조치를 취해야 한다.이런 것들은 결국 위키피디아에 간접적으로 다시 흘러들어갈 것이다.예를 들어, 아제르바이잔에 관한 이 책은 무굴을 참고 자료로 사용하지만, 그것은 그들이 우리의 아제르바이잔 기사에서 그것을 삭제했기 때문이다.다른 누군가가 이 책을 통해 간접적으로 무굴을 인용할 것이고, 당신도 알기도 전에 우리도 간접적으로 무굴을 인용할 것이다.위키피디아를 이용해서 표창장 카운트를 올리고 있어. --등록부(댓글) 15:48, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

편집 필터를 작성하는 유능한 사람들이 어떤 일을 할 때까지 나는 IP가 나타날 때 IP를 차단할 수 있다(그 자체는 추적하기 어려워 보인다).아니면 누군가 '블루봇'이 나타나는 대로 되돌리도록 훈련시킬 수도 있을 겁니다스페이스맨스파이프 16:53, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

@DVDM: 나는 이 남자가 자신의 이름을 일부러 잘못 썼는지, 심지어 짧게 썼는지 매우 의심스럽다.필터가 편집되는 것을 정확히 이해한다면 좋은 필터가 효과적인 해결책이 될 것 같아.고시안 (대화) 17:15, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

좋은 필터, 그래, 아마도. - DVDM (대화) 17:37, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 여전히 더 많은 것을 찾고 있고, 여기서 테이블을 업데이트하고 있다(편집 카운트는 현재 734 705이다).찾은 IP에 대해 편집하거나 편집 세트를 선택한 상태로 표시하십시오.적어도 한 편집자는 그것을 청소할 기사를 추적하는데 사용해 왔다.그동안 도와준 너희 모두에게 정말 고마워!고시안 (대화) 23:32, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

해결됨

현재로는다른 편집자들이 그의 작품을 인용한 4개의 기사(음, 하나는 삭제되었고, 편집자는 아직 반대하지 않았다)를 제외하고 우리가 찾을 수 있는 인용문은 모두 삭제되었다.나는 몇 가지 수치를 모았다: 50개의 다른 IP를 사용하여 3년 2개월 동안 43개의 다른 날짜에 총 711개의 편집이 이루어졌다.편집필터를 요청해서 그가 다시 "키팅"할 때 최소한 추적할 수 있게 할 거야.사용자 공간에 수행된 작업을 기록하기 위한 하위 페이지를 만들었음:무굴 제국.고시안 (대화) 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) 19:21[응답]

감사 사용자:고쉬안과 다른 모든 사람들이 노력하고 있어!DMACKs (대화) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 19:33[응답]

WP 위반:GS/SCW&ISIL#1RR, 민족주의 pov-warring, 출처 오보

페라크프(토크 · 기여)는 WP에 대한 1RR 제한을 반복적으로 위반했다.GS/SCW&ISIL#1RR 기사.

이 사용자의 또 다른 문제점은 그가 여성 권리나 기독교인의 소수 권리와 관련된 어떤 것과 같은 민족주의적인 포브에게 확인되지 않는 것을 편집함으로써 위키백과의 평판을 손상시키는 위키백과 기사에 노골적인 출처를 계속 삽입하는 것이다.@GGT: @Attar-Aram 시리아:@LouisAragon:@GGT:@Shmayo: @عمروننن:::::::사용자에 관한 이전의 일부 논의: [58] *[59]--80.254.69.43 (토크) 06:37, 2016년 5월 8일 (UTC) — 80.254.69.43 (토크) 이 주제 이외편집은 거의 또는 전혀 하지 않았다. [답답하다]

위 편집-경고 사례에서 사용자 Ferakp가 인용된 것을 알 수 있다.는 행정관들에게 페라크프기여를 면밀히 살펴봐 줄 것을 부탁하고 싶다.단순히 그의 정치적 의제와 신뢰할 수 있는 출처의 정의에 부합하지 않기 때문에 소싱된 자료를 삭제하는 것이다.예를 들어, Rojava에 대한 Talk 페이지를 참조하십시오.그들의 부정적인 행동에 대한 또 다른 예는 사용자 @Beshogur:에 의한 기여의 되돌림에서 볼 수 있다.건배.Amr ibn Kulthoumعوووووووو ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ((토크) 07:11, 2016년 5월 8일 (UTC)[응답]
이전에도 여러 번 행정부에 말했듯이 쿠르드족 기사는 아랍, 터키, 아시리아 민족주의자들의 공격을 받고 있다.나는 거의 같은 사용자로부터 청소를 해야 했다.Users Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم, عمرو بن كلثوم and two other users which use random IP are clearly black washing Kurdish articles.나는 모든 편집에 토크 페이지를 사용했고 사용자들을 dsicuss로 불렀다.나는 그들에게 신뢰할 수 없는 출처, WP:NPOV 위반, 체리 픽업, WP:원본 위반.그들은 여전히 대화 페이지를 사용하지 않고 계속해서 POV를 밀고 전쟁을 편집하고 WP를 위반한다.Fake, WP:실현 가능 및 WP:오리지널.내가 편집하고 무력화시킨 모든 기사들의 페이지를 이야기할 수 있다, 나는 내 편집된 단어들을 일일이 언급하고 설명했는데, 여기 있는 아랍 사용자들이 토론조차 하지 않는 것과는 달리 말이다.토크 페이지, [61], [62], [63], [64] 및 기타 모든 편집이 기사 토크 페이지에 언급되어 있다.나를 보고한 사용자들은 내가 위에 열거한 모든 WP:규칙을 명백히 위반하고 있음을 상기시키고 싶다.페라크프 (대화) 10:11, 2016년 5월 8일 (UTC)[응답]
하나 더 추가하고 싶은 것은 사용자:عمووون clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly는 6회 WP를 위반하여 검은 세탁에 명백히 관여하였다.NPOVWP:경고에도 불구하고 실현 가능.사용자들은 일부 문장을 다른 섹션에 무작위로 붙여넣고 있다.편집자: [65], [66]페라크프 (대화) 10:25, 2016년 5월 8일 (UTC)[응답]
관리자들은 자신에 대한 제재가 없는 상황에서 사용자 페라크프가 다시 7페이지의 편집 내용을 되돌리는 편집 작업을 하고 있다.이것 좀 봐줘.Amr ibn Kulthoumعووووووو ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ((토크) 01:00, 2016년 5월 10일 (UTC)[응답]
이 편집은 이 사용자의 목적과 인종차별주의 의제를 명확하게 보여준다.Amr ibn Kulthoumعوووووووو ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ((토크) 01:11, 2016년 5월 10일 (UTC)[응답]
내 메시지 중 어느 부분이 인종차별주의자인지 설명해 줄 수 있니?페라크프 (대화) 11시 42분, 2016년 5월 10일 (UTC)[응답]
그 편집에서 당신은 당신이 동의하지 않는 특정 편집자들이 특정한 국적이나 민족성을 가지고 있고, 그들이 편집을 하고 특정한 내용을 포함하거나 배제하기를 원하는 유일한 이유가 이 국적이나 민족이라는 것을 암시하고 있다.그것이 사실이라고 해도(확실히 알 길이 없는) 기사 내용을 찬성하거나 반대하는 것은 정당한 주장이 아니다.출처와 관련하여 사용 중인 논쟁에 대해 주의 깊게 논할 수 있지만 인용한 예에서는 그렇게 하지 않았다.Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:56, 2016년 5월 11일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 " 위키피디아에는 적어도 21명의 사용자가 협력하고 있으며 쿠르드족 기사를 검은색으로 세탁하고 있다. 그들은 아시리아인, 터키인, 아랍인, 페르시아인이다."나는 단지 그 사용자들이 아시리아인, 터키인, 아랍인, 페르시아인이라고 말했다.나는 그들의 민족성이나 국적에 대해 어떤 말도 하지 않았다. 나는 사용자들이 그런 국적을 가지고 있다고 말했다.나는 그들의 IP 주소와 수정사항을 확인했고 그들은 정말 그렇다.인종차별이 무엇인지 조금 읽고 나서 여기서 어떤 의견을 낼 것인가. 86.50.110.79 (대화) 17:55, 2016년 5월 12일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 사실 이 보고서가 꽤 아이러니하다고 생각한다.페라크프를 보고해야 할 이유가 있을지도 모르는데, 지금까지 나는 그의 편집 내용을 별로 정확하게 보지 않았다.그러나 모든 사용자:عمرو كلثوم كلثوم도 자기 자신도 하고 있다고 비난하고 있다.그는 쿠르드족과 YPG를 상대로 한 명백한 포브스 퍼셔다.

예:

이것은 Ferakp를 위한 방어가 아니라 User의 이중 도덕 기준에 대한 암시다.عمرو بن كلثوم.그의 아랍 민족주의는 꽤 명백하고 사실 그가 왜 쿠르드족을 그렇게 싫어하는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 그의 POV 푸싱은 내 눈에는 용납할 수 없다.--Ermanarich (talk) 17:42, 2016년 5월 12일 (UTC)[응답]

여기서 뭘 증명하는 거야?매일 당신은 시리아의 새로운 지역을 소위 시리아 쿠르디스탄에 합병한다.아자즈는 시리아 쿠르디스탄의 일부인가?이것을 뒷받침하는 중립적인 출처가 있는가?물론 중립적으로 나는 쿠르드인 블로그나 "뉴스 에이전시"를 의미하는 것은 아니다.로자바라는 이름 자체가 큰 사기극이다.자존심 강한 통신사나 국제기구가 이용하지 않는다.이들은 모두 이 지역을 쿠르드족 통제지역이나 쿠르드족 거주지역, 또는 이와 유사한 형태라고 부른다.이곳에는 쿠르드족과 관련된 기사들에 대한 친 쿠르드족 운동이 있는 것 같다.사용자 Ferkp와 emranrich는 단지 그것이 그들의 POV를 다시 사용한다는 이유 때문에 그들의 편집 전쟁을 계속하고 있고 소스화된 정보를 제거하고 있다.여기 한 가지 예가 있는데, 몇 가지 더 이름을 붙일 준비가 되어 있다.암르 ibn Kulthoumعوووووووو ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ((토크) 03:37, 2016년 5월 14일 (UTC)[응답]
여기 있는 사람이 막히면 바로 너다.기자:عموون is clearly clearly clearly는 분명히 아랍 민족주의자다.그는 2011년부터 쿠르드족 기물을 파손하고 있다. Powerfulman11(대화 기여) 00:33, 2016년 5월 13일(UTC)[응답]에 의해 추가된 사전 서명되지 않은 논평
@عمرو بن كلثوم::무엇보다도, 나는 정말 흥미로울 것이다. 나는 당신의 눈에서 편집전에 참여했고, 매일 시리아의 새로운 부분을 소위 시리아 쿠르디스탄으로 초대했다.
내가 여기서 증명하고 있는 것은 예를 들어 쿠르드족이 텔 리파트에서 온 아랍인들을 거의 언급조차 하지 않는 출처를 가지고 전멸시켰다고 주장하는 것이다.루도와 ANF와 같은 쿠르드 통신사는 쿠르드족이라고 해서 믿을 수 없다고 심각하게 주장할 수는 없다.물론 아자즈는 로자바 정부의 일원이 아니다.그러나 독일에서도 또 다른 예를 들자면, 소르브족은 (독일이 연방 공화국이라고 해도) 연방정부나 다른 행정부를 가지고 있지 않으며, 여전히 그들이 살고 있는 마을에는 소르비아어 이름뿐만 아니라 독일어 이름까지 가지고 있다.코트부스(Cottbus)는 소르브스가 그곳 인구의 7~12%밖에 차지하지 못하더라도 초제부스(Chośebuz), 바우젠 부디신(Bautzen Budyshin), 웨이웨이어(Weißwasser Běa Woda) 등으로도 불린다.
또한 로자바가 존재하지도 않는다는 너의 견해는 어쩐지 어처구니없다.그리고 여기서 독일 언론만 이야기할 수 있지만, '로자바'라는 이름은 거의 모든 신문이나 -기관에서 이 지역의 사건에 대해 쓸 때 사용하는 이름이다.---에르마나리히 (대화) 15:11, 2016년 5월 14일 (UTC)[응답]

페라크프는 짜증나고 마치 그가 정보원을 위한 시장에 있는 것처럼 행동한다.그는 흥정을 하고, 합의에 대한 그의 생각은 그가 토크 페이지에 글을 쓰고, 그가 원하는 것은 무엇이든 할 수 있다고 생각하는 것이다.그가 어떤 것이 믿을 수 없다고 결정할 때 그것은 특히 웃긴다!!!하지만, 그는 금지되어서는 안 된다.그는 쿠르드의 검은 세탁에 대해 몇 가지 요점을 가지고 있다. 그러나 그는 반대편과 흰색 세탁을 한다.모든 관련 사용자들은 의견의 균형을 맞춰야 한다...한편, 하루 이틀 정도 편집작업을 하는 것을 금지하여, 그들은 그것을 다시 하기 전에 두 번 생각하게 한다.--아타르-아람 시리아 (대화) 06:47, 2016년 5월 13일 (UTC)[응답하라]

@attar-Aram 시리아:내가 어떻게 짜증나?편집한 거 봤어당신은 보통 일부 편집이 기사를 분명히 검게 칠하는 것을 보지만 당신은 의도적으로 그것들을 생략한다.지난번에는 출처와 중성화 부분을 보여드렸고, 나의 변화에 대해 설명했었습니다.당신은 여전히 '쿠르드족'과 '터키족'을 대량학살 부분에 보관하고 싶었고 아랍인과 다른 인종 집단을 언급했던 모든 부분을 제거했다.믿을 만한 출처가 아랍인과 다른 민족 집단도 대량학살의 일부였다는 것을 분명히 증명했기 때문에 아랍인과 다른 민족 집단을 이 구간에서 제거할 이유가 전혀 없었기 때문에, 당신은 당신의 변화를 설명할 수 없었다.화이트 워싱에 대해서, 화이트 워싱으로 분류될 수 있는 한 번의 편집만 보여줘.나는 항상 토크 페이지를 사용하고 편집한 내용을 설명한다.가끔 실수를 하기도 하지만 인정하고 고친다.나 또한 사과한다.이 경우 나를 신고한 사용자는 POV 밀기에 관여하여 WP를 위반하였다.Fake, WP:신뢰성WP:오리지널 수십번.나는 항상 의견 일치를 보려고 노력한다.페라크프 (대화) 14:34, 2016년 5월 14일 (UTC)[응답]

관리자, 사용자 페라크프에 대해 뭔가 조치를 취하십시오.사용자 Ermanrich를 포함한 Talk 페이지의 컨센서스에 어긋나는 이 되돌리기를 보십시오.일주일 넘게 이런 일이 벌어지고 있는데, 나는 이 사용자와의 편집에 대해 자제하고 있다.Amr ibn Kulthoumعووووووو ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ((토크) 17:03, 2016년 5월 15일 (UTC)[응답]

@عمووو::::::: 내가 왜 그것을 되돌렸는지 설명하였다.여기서 읽을 수 있다[67].(나와 에르만리히)의 의견 일치가 이루어졌다.페라크프 (대화) 21:18, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 여기에 한 가지를 추가하고 싶다.당신과 Ermanrich는 매우 신중해야 한다. 적어도 당신의 편집 중 4개는 WP를 위반했다.PAKEWP:오리지널.또한 신뢰할 수 있는 출처가 무엇인지 더 많이 배워야 하며, WP:믿을 수 있다.페라크프 (대화) 21:28, 2016년 5월 17일 (UTC)[응답]
관리자 @عمرو بن كلثوم كلثوم: 왜 페라크프를 차단하지 않는지 이해가 가지 않는데, 여기 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Syrian_Civil_War_and_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Log_of_blocks_and_bans에서는 같은 위반으로 수십 명의 다른 사용자들이 차단되었다.전쟁터에서 싸우는 전사들이 모두 동등하게 대우되어서는 안 되는가?--176.127.213.144 (대화) 13:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

동일한 /u8ser (이다.

파괴적 편집자, 대규모 반달리즘 의혹, 체리 피킹, 양말 인형극

나는 이전에 일부 사용자들이 쿠르드족 기사를 검은색으로 세탁하고 있다고 보고했었다.지난해부터 쿠르드족 기물을 파손하고 검은색으로 세탁한 사용자가 한 명 있다.그의 모든 편집은 명백히 반 쿠르드적이다.편집 방해, 기사 전체에서 다른 기사, 체리 피킹에 붙여넣는 거대한 카피.이 사용자와 그의 모든 편집 내용은 쿠르드족과 쿠르드족의 인권 중 FGM과 관련이 있다.사용자들은 서로 다른 IP 주소를 사용하고 있기 때문에 양말 인형극과 대규모 반달리즘을 문제없이 계속할 수 있다.

사용자의 IP 주소:
[68]
[69]
[70]
[71]
그리고 신은 이 사용자가 얼마나 많은 다른 IP 주소를 사용했는지 알고 있다.

보다시피, 나는 그의 편집 내용을 편집하고, 경고하고, 무력화할 시간을 대부분 잃었다.그의 모든 편집으로 나는 많은 쿠르드족 기사에 POV 태그를 추가하게 되었다.솔직히 말해서 그의 편집은 분명히 반 쿠르드적이며, 당신이 기사들의 토크 페이지를 읽을 수 있듯이, 그는 편집했고, 내가 언급했던 위반 사항들로 가득하다.이 사용자는 그러한 편집을 할 뿐만 아니라, 쿠르드족 기사들을 중화시키는 것을 멈출 수 있도록 나를 신고하려는 다른 사용자들과도 계속 연락을 취하고 있다.나는 그의 기사를 치우려고 노력했지만 그가 모든 부분을 다른 기사에 붙여넣고 있다는 것을 알고 포기했다.예를 들어, 그는 이란 기사에서 쿠르드 여성 기사에서 여성 기사로 FGM 문구를 붙여넣었다.체리를 따는 일이 아주 많다.신뢰할 수 있는 WP:원본, NPOV 및 WP:편집한 내용에 있는 가짜 문제.누군가는 이 일을 어떻게 해야 한다.페라크프 (대화) 09:47, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

양말 인형극의 증거를 디프 형태로 제공할 수 있나, 페라크프?누군가가 다른 장소에서 편집한다는 사실은 그것들 없이 양말 인형뽑기를 했다는 증거로 간주될 것 같지 않다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 09:56, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
@Cordless Larry:그들은 다른 장소에서 온 것이 아니다.모든 IP는 베른(스위스)과 스위스컴(슈바이즈) AG에 속한다.네가 원한다면 나도 분산하겠지만, 오늘은 시간이 별로 없으니 내일 추가할게.페라크프 (대화) 10:03, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
아마도 그들은 적어도 다른 컴퓨터들로부터 온 것 같다.다른 IP를 사용하는 것 자체가 양말 인형극이 아니다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 10시 15분 [응답]
그래, 네 말이 맞아, 그들은 동적 IP야.우리는 양말 인형뽑기를 제거할 수 있다.다른 문제들도 남아 있다.페라크프 (대화)20:28, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

174.23.128.98

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

해결됨
24시간 동안 차단됨. 물질과학자 (대화) 01:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

사용자:174.23.128.98, 다른 사람들과 잘 지내는 데 문제가 있는 것으로 보이는 사람("멍청한 롭으로 똥을 치우는 것"[72], "시크헤드"[73], "똥을 멈추면 내가 멈출 거야"[74], "Die, 바보 멍청이, 나를 내버려둬"])은 이제 WP를 삭제한다고 진술했다.AIV가 보고한다.[76] --Guy Macon (대화) 00:52, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 174.23.186.217(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS) 174.236.227(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)은 174.23.128.98의 블록을 명백히 피하여 위의 보고서를 여러 번 삭제하였다.차단했는데 아쉽게도 사거리가 너무 커서 차단할 수 없을 것 같아.어때, 물질과학자?세 시간 동안 ANI를 반투명했어비쇼넨탈크 22:52, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[답답하다]
    • 비쇼넨, 내가 먼저 가서 하루 동안 174.23.128.0/18을 막았다.사정거리는 분주하지만 24시간이면 부수적인 피해가 크지 않을 겁니다.그러나 어떤 관리자라도 그것이 문제가 된다면 기꺼이 차단을 해제해야 한다.DoRD (대화) 23:02, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 고마워, DoRD.나는 /18 범위에 대해 결정할 수 없었다. 그것은 너무 커지기 직전이다. 하지만 나는 네가 옳은 일을 했다고 생각한다.화가 난 반달은 이 페이지뿐만 아니라 매우 바쁘다.비쇼넨톡 23:07, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[답답하다]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 Prcgi에 의한 중단 편집

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 Pprcgi(토크 · 기여) (역시 39.32.222.179일 수 있음)는 지난 며칠 동안 반복적이고 대규모의 반전을 일으켜 중국-파키스탄 경제 회랑의 파괴적 편집에 종사했다.그의 역전은 많은 양의 소싱과 연구가 삭제되는 결과를 초래하고, 중국 파키스탄 경제 회랑 사이트에서 새롭게 만들어진 위키백과 페이지와의 하이퍼링크를 낳기 때문에 편집 내용을 되돌리는 데 더욱 신중해야 한다는 요청을 받았다.

나아가 사용자가 'CPEC에 대한 인도인의 반대' 구절의 문장을 복사해 붙여넣은 'CPEC를 파괴하기 위해 인도인이 테러리즘을 후원한다'는 제목의 POV 섹션을 반복적으로 삽입하고, 이어 인도가 CPEC를 파괴하기 위해 3억 달러를 헌신하고 있다는 확인되지 않은 POV의 주장이 나왔다.다시 말하지만, 어떠한 출처도 제공되지 않았고, 나는 이 사이트 토크 페이지에서 이것이 POV와 비소싱 모두에 대한 주요 문제라는 것을 두 번 분명히 했다.그 대신 사용자는 비지원적 및 POV의 주장을 계속 재탕하고, 이상하게도 "파키스탄과 무장세력과의 관계"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_conflict#Pakistan.27s_relation_with_militants)를 지적하여 그의 비지원적 주장 삽입과 POV 용어 "인디언 s"의 사용을 정당화했다.골치 아픈 테러"

해당 섹션이 주/도를 위해 페이지를 계속 되돌리는 경우:


인도인들은 그 프로젝트를 방해하기 위해 테러를 후원했다.
파키스탄은 2016년 3월 인도 연구분석국 쿨부샨 야다브 소속 스파이로 의심되는 스파이를 체포했다고 발표했는데, 이들은 파키스탄 발루치스탄 주(州)의 파키스탄을 불안정하게 하기 위해 이란에서 파키스탄에 입국한 혐의를 받고 있다.[275] 후에 쿨부샨 야다브에 대해서는 언론에서 모든 혐의를 자백했다.

인도는 이 프로젝트에 대해 이의를 제기했고 물리적, 정치적 파괴 활동을 유발하기 위해 3억 달러를 책정했다.인도는 대부분의 자칭 분리주의자 발로흐 지도자들을 상임이사국으로 임명하고 인도와 다른 나라들 내에서 반파키스탄 정서를 분출할 수 있는 포럼을 제공하고 있다.문제의 심각성은 M-8 건설 과정에서 직원 26명의 사망자를 낸 오폭자가 FWO 근로자를 상대로 207건의 공격이 있었고, 구호요원 18명도 목숨을 잃었다는 사실에서 가늠할 수 있다.[276]"''


글씨도 서툴지만 그건 요점을 벗어난 것이다.나는 그의 우려를 덜 편향된 방식으로 다루기 위해 'CPEC에 반대하는 인도 활동의 합법화'라는 제목의 섹션을 쓰면서 타협을 시도했고, 출처가 뒷받침하는 사실적 자료만 썼다.대신 POV를 다시 삽입하기 위해 완전히 삭제했다.

사용자 Diannaa(토크 · 기여)는 마지막 문장이 저작권이 있는 출처의 인용문을 사용한다는 것을 올바르게 지적하여 인용문을 삭제하였다. 39.32.222.179(토크 · 기여)는 빠르게 또 다시 대규모로 되돌렸으며, 따라서 저작권이 있는 출처를 다시 삽입하였다.나는 39.32.222.179가 실제로 Prcgi라고 의심한다. 편집의 종류가 의심스러울 정도로 prcgi에 의해 만들어진 종류의 반전들과 유사하지만, 물론 이것을 증명할 수는 없다.

정렬이라는 제목의 한 것에 의 한 문장에 전에 그와 고 말했다.중앙 정렬'이라는 제목의 기사를 삽입한 것에 대해서도 논쟁을 벌이고 있지만, 한 문장에 대해 완전히 새로운 섹션을 만들기 전에 섹션을 확장하기 위해 그와 협상하려고 한다. 이다.서쪽 정렬'과 '동쪽 정렬' 등을 전담하는 섹션에 맞춰 보다 심층적인 정보를 제공하라고 촉구한 만큼 그런 점에서 협상은 진행 중이다.


다음은 파괴적 편집의 다양성: [77][78][79]Willard84

1. 당신의 게시물에 서명하라. 2.당사자에게 통지... --Tarage (대화)20:31, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]


1. 내 실수 2. [80]윌러드84 (대화) 20:38, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
48시간 동안 차단되고 재범하면 더 긴 블록이 생성된다는 것을 상기시킨다.니텐드 (대화) 03:44, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

인도 영화 양말 반환(현재 인신공격)

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

칸 영화제의 인도 페이지는 핌피드시(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그) (초기 인도의 칸 영화제·시네마에서 옮겨지기 전)에 의해 만들어졌다.이 페이지는 이전까지 ANI에서 양말을 확인하여 다양한 이전 이름으로 만든 것이다.이것은 지난 4월과 9월에 있었던 이전의 ANI 보고서들이다.이 새 양말은 약 한 달 동안 사용되어 왔으며 이전에 삭제된 자료의 불요불급한 사본을 만들었다.이것도 좀 봐주면 고맙겠다.고마워요.루그넛 12시 10분, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]


나는 양말이 아니다.그리고 당신의 문제는 무엇인가?사용자:루그넛, 어떤 사람이 상을 받고 칸 영화제에서 상영된 인도 영화에 대한 지칠 대로 지친 작품을 만들었을 때?반면에, 만약 여러분이 어떤 것이 양말 조각이라고 의심한다면, 기사를 편집하는 것은 어떨까?당신의 문제는 무엇이며 왜 새로운 편집자들을 공격하는 루가 이전의 양말 인형에서 콘텐츠를 다시 만드는가.이 글은 매우 필수적이다.그래서 칸느에 있는 인도 영화에 관한 위키피디아에서 이런 정보를 어디서 얻을 수 있는지 말해줘.너는 왜 칸 영화제에서 인도 영화를 반대하니?칸 영화제에서 어떤 인도 영화가 상을 받았는지 알고 싶지 않으세요?만약 여러분이 양말 조각이 기사를 만들고 있다고 의심한다면, 새로운 기사를 만들어 보는 것은 어떨까?이것은 무슨 비감각인가?침피드시 (대화) 12시 17분, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

그리고 지금 이 양말은 나를 괴롭히고 있다.13시 22분에 내 토크 페이지에 올리지 말라고 했는데, 하지 말라고 한 이후로 세 번이나 똑같은 말도 안 되는 말을 덧붙였어.루그넛Dick Laurent is dead 12:28, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
내 토크 페이지에 있는 그들의 코멘트를 내가 삭제한 것을 되돌려서 네 번 만들어봐!루그넛Dick Laurent is dead 12:29, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 나는 지금 그가 내 토크 페이지에 계속 글을 올리는 시간들을 세지 못했고(누군가 한번 봐봐...) 이제 인신공격으로 넘어갔다...루그넛Dick Laurent is dead 12시 35분, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]
다음. 루그넛Dick Laurent is dead 12:39, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
무한정 차단됨.나이튼드 (대화) 12시 47분, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
고마워 니튼드.루그넛 12시 49분, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

IP breaking BLP

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

한 IP는 부적절한 BLP 위반 정보를 Talk에 게시해 왔다.조셉 J. 롬은 롬을 홀로코스트 데니어로 비난하고 있다.IP는 편집 요약과 그들의 토크 페이지에서 BLP 정책에 대해 언급되어 왔고, 롬은 홀로코스트 데니어가 아니라 기후변화 부정론자와 홀로코스트 부정론자 사이의 연결을 만들었다.해당 경고문이 이들의 토크 페이지에 게시된 뒤 IP는 롬톡 페이지에 고발을 다시 올리고 자체 페이지에 경고문을 삭제했다.SchroCat (대화) 14:21, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

IP는 많은 출처가 있다고 주장한다.적절한 응수는 "Name one"이 될 것이다. base 베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?→14:31, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
IP의 편집에 대한 즉각적인 반박은 "WP 제거:신뢰할 수 있는 출처나 기사 개선 제안이 없는 BLP 위반" – IP가 혐의를 지원하고자 한다면, 논의를 위한 출처를 제공하는 것은 그들에게 달려 있다.그들은 "실제로 당신이 사람들에게 강요하는 구글 검색의 결과를 읽으라: 비록 두 용어가 모두 같은 기사에 나오지만, 그는 결코 대학살이 있었다는 것을 부정하지 않는다"고 조언했다.IP의 대응으로는 출처 명칭에 대한 의지가 전혀 보이지 않는다…. 데이브 수자, 토크 15:49, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그럼 이제 저 요요를 막아야 할 시간이다.base야구 벅스 당근→16:01, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이 단계에서 블록이 조금 가혹할 수도 있다는 것을 느낀다.IP는 (AGF가) 말한 것을 진실로 잘못 해석한 것 같다.롬의 비유는 (내가 이해한 바와 같이) 홀로코스트를 부정하는 것처럼 기후변화를 부정하는 것은 나쁜 일이었다.하지만, 그들(IP)은 홀로코스트에 대한 부정의 의미로 그것을 받아들이기 위해 큰 도약을 했다.차단하는 것은 기사를 안정시킬 수도 있지만, IP가 그들이 무엇을 잘못했는지 이해하는 것도 중요하다고 믿는다.이글라시 (대화) 16:20, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그러나 그것은 이미 그들에게 설명되어 있다.그 후 설명이 삭제되었고 "이 페이지를 인종차별주의자들의 헛소리에서 벗어나게 해달라"는 문구가 남겨졌다: 그들은 분명히 그 당시 그들에게 설명되었던 것을 읽지 않았지만, 지금까지의 그들의 행동을 볼 때, 나는 그들이 두 번째 또는 세 번째 설명을 읽을 것이라고 전적으로 확신할 수 없다!SchroCat (대화) 16:52, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 블록이 만들어져야 한다고 생각한다. (1) IP는 BLP 위반을 세 번이나 넣었고 WP를 언급하는 요약 편집은 무시했다.BLP; (2) IP *삭제* 자신의 페이지에서 첫 번째 경고; (3) IP가 쓴 것을 구글에서 믿을 수 있는 사람은 없다.그러나 아직 블록이 만들어지지 않았더라도 관리자는 IP 페이지에 분명한 마지막 경고를 남겨야 한다.BTW, 혹시 알고 싶은 사람이 있을지 모르니까 롬이 실제로 쓴 글은 이것, 이것, 이것이었다. -- 실버스 (토크) 19:11, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

루이즈와 샤르미안 포크너 실종 사건

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

이것은 내 주의를 끌었다.나는 그 기사의 토크 페이지에 있는 논평에 동의해야 한다 - 포크너 가족이나 희생자들의 친구들이 그들의 정의를 위한 캠페인에 관심을 끌기 위한 방법으로 기사를 만들었다.

이 글을 만든 사람이 누구든 법정에서 재판이나 유죄판결이 없는 이중 살인자라는 낙인을 찍기 위해 이 글을 사용해 왔다.그것은 법적으로 명예훼손이다.

기사 원유?

폴 벤자민 오스틴 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18:07 [응답]

누군가가 WP에 따라 관련 참조를 검토하고 기사를 검증하기를 원하지 않는 경우:BLP, 나는 그것을 무효화하고 저자가 적절하게 인용된 진술로 그것을 다시 시작하도록 격려하는 것에 동의한다.(특히 피의자에 대한) 진술을 검증하기 위한 인라인 인용문이 없는 경우, 이는 하나의 큰 BLP 위반이다(특히 WP:BLPCRY). clpo13(talk) 18:13, 2016년 5월 21일(UTC)[응답]
기사는 8년 반 전에 시작되었고, 그때도 그 사건은 27년 전이었다.야구 벅스 당근→18:25, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
나보다 위키 실력이 더 좋은 사람이 그냥 핵을 쏠 수 있을까, 아니면 AFD로 가져갈 수 있을까?폴 벤자민 오스틴 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18:27 [응답]
이 8년 이상 된 기사는 왜 갑자기 문제가 되는 겁니까?야구 벅스 당근→18:35, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
내 생각에 그 사건은 그 당시에는 확실히 유명세를 쉽게 통과할 것 같아. 그리고 지금도... 많은 소싱이 그 때부터 신문 기사에 있을 것 같아. (신문 보도가 엄청 났을 거야.)하지만 웹에는 아직 많은 것들이 있어...기사 변경은 필요하나 삭제는 안 됨...68.48.241.158 (대화) 18:38, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
포크너 가족은 위키피디아를 사용하여 재판이나 유죄판결 없이 사람을 이중 살인자로 낙인찍는 데 만족한 것 같다.이것이 눈치채지 못했다는 사실이 위키를 뜨거운 명예훼손의 물꼬를 텄을 수도 있었다는 사실을 바꾸지는 못한다.폴 벤자민 오스틴 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18:44[응답]
그 수수께끼가 아직도 풀리지 않는다면, 그것은 그들에게 많은 도움이 되었다.그 사건 자체가 주목할 만한가?base야구 벅스 당근→18:57, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

확실히 눈에 띄는 것은, 보면 볼수록...그 기사가 가지고 있을 수 있는 어떤 내용상의 문제를 다루기만 하면...http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/letter-points-finger/story-e6frf7kx-111111431770468.48.241.158 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18:49 [응답]

  • 코멘트 나는 그것의 모든 순항, 프로모션, 비소싱 OR, 트라이비아 등을 생략하고, 오프닝 요약문이 남아 있는 부분을 삭제했다.조지 캐릭터의 언급이 revdd라고 제안하고, 기사는 처음부터 다시 작성되었다.분명히 많은 잠재력을 가지고 있지만 멜리사나 whassname이 담당한 것은 아니다. 2016년 5월 21일(UTC) 19:11, 19Imperatrix Mundi:11
그게 바로 내가 스터브라고 부르는 거야, 포투나 임페라트릭스 먼디, 아주 잘했어!또한벤자민 오스틴에게 보고해주시고, 더그 웰러에게 엄청난 BLP vio를 빨리 제거해주셔서 감사드린다.비쇼넨은 2016년 5월 21일 19:41, 21(UTC) 대화를 나눈다.[답답하다]

그래도 문제가 있다면 WP로 가져가십시오.AFD. 여기서는 관리자 조치가 필요하지 않다.더 램블링맨 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 19:52 [응답]

주요 기여자 중 한 명이 만든 노엘 맥나마라를 살펴보십시오.더그 웰러톡 20:13, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
네, 그리고 만약 이것이 다른 모든 의심스러운 자료들과 마찬가지로 수년 전에 만들어졌다면, AFD로 보내질 수 있을 겁니다.여기서는 관리 작업이 필요하지 않다.더 램블링맨 (토크) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 20:21[응답]
나는 제품 광고가 이것보다 더 좋은 대우를 받는 것을 본 적이 있다.base야구 벅스 당근→ 23:14, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

SPA별 하스먼트

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

Yscambridge로젠다 알린칸의 거주지를 투팅에서 배터시(Battersea)로 바꾸는 단일 목적 계좌다.나는 그들을 WP로 지목했다.RS는 그러나 그들은 "그녀의 우편번호를 조회할 수 있는" 것이 여러 신문사 출처보다 훨씬 더 나은 출처라고 주장하고 있다. 게시물은 너무 지나치다. 그들은 "Wikipedia는 Battersea와 법률정보 제공자들에게 반복적으로 경고한 사람들을 계속 감시해야 한다"고 말하면서 나와 Edwardx를 "법적으로 구속력이 있는 정보를 변호한다"고 비난했다. 사용자는 Battersea를 실제 신뢰할 수 있는 출처와 비교하여 변경하기 위한 목적 외에 분명히 여기에 있지 않으며, 다른 사용자들의 괴롭힘에 대해서도 차단되어야 한다.그들의 행위는 용납할 수 없다.요셉2302 (대화) 09:56, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

Yscambridge는 이것을 철회할 때까지 무기한 차단되어야 한다.'고소하겠다'는 말에 그친다 해도 NLT 정신에 명백히 위배되는 것은 450개 법률상 협박이다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 10:11, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그들은 나와 EdwardxUser:이스캄브리지.요셉2302 (대화) 10:43, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 요셉2302에 동의한다.이런 종류의 행동은 용납될 수 없으며, 우리의 시간을 낭비하는 것이다.게다가 배우거나 개선하려는 의지를 나타내는 것은 아무것도 없다.에드워드x (대화) 10시 55분, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

이 글은 삭제될 때까지 위키백과:문서_for_deletion/Rosena_Alin-Khan; 아마도 관리자 WP와 함께 지나가는 편집자:UAL이 막을 수 있을까?NE Ent 11:23, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

기사가 복구되는 보궐선거에서 그녀가 승리할 가능성이 높다는 것을 명심하십시오. 그리고 이 SPA의 끈질긴 노력으로 판단하건대, 이 문제는 다시 부각될 것 같다.에드워드x (대화) 11:41, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그녀가 보궐선거에서 승리한다면 그 문제를 해결할 수 있는 더 신뢰할 수 있는 정보원이 되지 않을까?만약 그들이 그렇게 하지 않는다면, 분명히 그 주체는 여전히 GNG를 충족시킬 수 없었다. 만약 SPA가 그들의 주장에서 "옳은" 것이라면, 일단 그 주제가 충분한 제3자의 신뢰할 수 있는 출처에서 충분히 상세하게 다루어지면, 그들은 SPA의 주장을 뒷받침하기 시작할 것이다. 그렇지 않다면, SPA가 여전히 지속되고 있다면, 그들을 다시 막기만 하면 된다.이는 NLT 위반에 대해 차단되고, 사과/회수되며, 차단되지 않은 것으로 가정한다.현재 그들은 단지 NLT당 막히기만을 기다리고 있다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 12:08, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그녀가 보궐선거에서 승리한다면 그것은 중요하지 않을 것이다. 왜냐하면 그녀는 자동적으로 하원의원으로서 주목을 받을 것이기 때문이다.로라 제이미슨 (대화) 13:02, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
잠깐, 그거 대단한 일이야!?만약 그녀가 그 기준을 충족했지만 여전히 GNG를 충족시키지 못한다면, 그 기사는 여전히 삭제되지 않는가?히지리 88 (聖聖) 13:11, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
예, WP에 따르면:정치인이지만, 그녀의 당선에 대한 간단한 뉴스 보도조차도 그녀가 WP를 통과할 수 있을 만큼 충분한 보도를 얻을 것이기 때문에, 현실은 엉뚱하다.GNG. 로라 제이미슨 (대화) 13:14, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
우리가 특정한 사실을 언급하지 않고 그녀에 대해 괜찮은 독립 전기 기사를 쓸 수 없다면, 그리고 그녀의 당선에 대한 간단한 뉴스 보도는 그것을 언급하지 않았거나 우리가 그것들을 인용하고 BLP에 대한 매우 엄격한 기준을 충족시키기 위해 그것에 충분히 초점을 맞추지 않았거나 혹은 그것에 대해 언급하지 않았더라면.나는 여전히 이 점에 대해AFD를 인용하기를 좋아한다.공정하게 말하면, 정치인들은 배우와 같지 않은데, 그 점에서 정치인들의 가장 눈에 띄는 것은 그들의 정치 경력이며, 그러한 것들은 거의 항상 그들을 세부적으로 다루는 대다수의 RS에서 다룬다.어쨌든 이 사건에는 사실 그 어느 것도 문제가 되지 않는데, 이 사건은 해결된 것으로 보인다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 13:22, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
(갈등 편집) 참고로 NLT 폭력에 대해 "경계선"에 대한 나의 태도는 여기와 같다.요셉도 에드워드도 Yscambridge의 법률주의적 공격으로부터 오싹한 효과를 당했다고 명시적으로 말하지 않았으므로 양방향 AGF 문제는 상당히 많이 작용하지는 않지만, 오싹한 효과가 Yscambridge의 게시물 의도에 있었던 것처럼 매우 보여 원리는 같다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 12:17, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
이제 인신공격은 내가 "권력을 남용하고 있다"고 주장하며 를 공격한다.따라서 법적 위협으로부터도, 그것들은 위키피디아의 인신공격 금지 정책에 따라 차단되어야 한다.요셉2302 (대화) 12:14, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
모두가 Yscambridge에게 작별을 고했다. 그들은 분명히 더 이상 여기에 있지 않기 때문이다.케이티talk 12:33, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

행동 및 사용자 이름 CN(카툰 네트워크) 마스터 관련

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

CN(Canotic Network) 마스터(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 차단 사용자 · 블록 로그)는 COI나 기업 계정을 제안할 수 있는 사용자 이름을 가진 것 외에, 불필요한 공간이나 빈 줄을 추가하거나 삭제하는 등 의심스러운 편집 패턴을 가지고 있다. 어쩌면 게임은 오토콘 확증될 수 있는가?기사를 몇 개 만들었어나는 그들에게 이 토론을 알릴 것이다.던컨힐 (대화) 22:57, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

포장 양말에서 새 냄새가 나는데...누가 누군지 정확히 알 수 있을 만큼 차이점이 없어이 이름은 알려진 양말 퍼피터의 이름 패턴과 비슷하지만, 약 1년 동안 활동을 하지 않고 있다.에버그린피르(토크){{re}}} 22:59, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
사용자:수라파가리. --타라지 (대화) 23:12, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아마도 관련 계정인가?(동인과는 다르게?) --Cameron11598(Talk) 23:17, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
'불필요한 공백이나 빈 줄 제거'를 보면 이런 생각이 든다.옴니 불꽃 06:15, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

참고:@Cartoon Network(CN) Master: @Orangemike에 의해 무기한 차단됨: "Promotional username, soft block" --Cameron11598(Talk) 06:20, 2016년 5월 21일(UTC)[답글]

위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

"원래는 현재 미국으로부터 거주하고 있다."

이런 자리에는 없을지 몰라도 다른 곳에 둘지는 생각 못하겠다.

도우려는 애논은 "원래 현재 미국으로부터 거주하고 있는"이라는 문구를 "XXX in the United State"라는 많은 기사를 통해 다양한 미국 공인의 출생 현황 앞에 추가했다.꽤 오래 전에이걸 푸는 데는 시간이 오래 걸릴 거야.자동화된 툴이 있는가?아니면 내가 모르는 특별한 지팡이를 누군가 흔들 수 있을까?트레이 마투린 (대화) 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC) 15:24 [응답]

물론 대량 롤백을 사용할 수 있지만 IP가 필요하다. ;-) 케이티talk 16:13, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답하라]
IP가 동적인 경우, 특정 개인이 IP를 운영하기 전에 그 아래에서 편집한 내용은 어떻게 되는가? 마찬가지로, IP에서 편집한 내용이 2015년 11월에 중지된 것처럼 다른 주소로 이동했다면 어떨까?FortunaImperatrix Mundi 16:16, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래서 나는 1800년대 초반에, 적어도 1990년대 후반까지 거슬러 올라갈 정도로 지루하게 되었어.매년 일일이 확인하지는 않았지만 30여 개 정도 되는 꽤 강한 샘플링을 확인했다.(그래, 회사에서 느리게 샘플링하는 날이야)IP가 동적인 것 같아서 쉬운 해결책이 있는지 모르겠어.자음(대화) 19:40, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
내가 21개의 인스타그램을 제거했는데, 수색에 새로운 인스타그램이 나타나지 않으니까, 아마 지금 다 없어졌을까?BMK (대화) 22:12, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 16개의 인스턴스를 제거했다.바라건대, 그것뿐이길! --Tiger (토크) 22:19, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 또한 몇 개의 예를 제거했다. (수동으로 몇 개인지 확실하지 않지만, 내가 시작한 숫자는 102개였다.)이제 다 죽었을 거야0xFE88 (대화) 22:28, 2016년 5월 18일 (UTC)[응답]

그래서, 더 있다."원래 현재 거주 중"에 대해 검색하면 그들이 나타날 것이다.BMK (대화) 22:41, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

좋아, 나는 1789년부터 2016년까지 (미국에서의) 모든 기사를 수작업으로 훑어보았고, 문구의 모든 예와 그 변형을 제거했고, 동시에 몇 가지 변칙적인 부분을 정리했다.BMK (대화) 01:08, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
수고하셨습니다! 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18Imperatrix Mundi:57 (응답)

도와준 모든 분들께 감사하다 - 모두 훌륭해! :-) 트레이 마투린 (대화) 15:32, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 분명히 똥으로 가득 차 있다구.

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

증명: [81]이런 사용자 매너를 누군가 가르쳐 주면 고맙겠다.--Ymblanter (대화) 11시 43분, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이 경우 당신은 똥으로 가득 차 있지 않으며, 이상에 대해 Cl (대화·출고)이 제재를 받아야 한다는 것을 내 마음에는 의심의 여지가 없지만, 아마도 이 차이점을 게시하는 것도 더 도움이 될 것이다.예의 바름 블록은 경고 없이 만들어서는 안 된다. 그리고 누군가 사용자에게 경고할 때 그들은 문자 그대로 "난 상관없어"라고 대답한다. 내 생각에는 S단어를 사용하는 것 보다 훨씬 더 나쁜 것이다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 12:01, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
클은 임블랜터에게 심술궂은 말을 했다.Qed237은 C1에게 경고했다.C1은 이곳에 살지 않기 때문에 신경 쓰지 않는다고 말했다.그래서 C1이 다시 심술궂은 말을 하면 누군가가 마음만 먹으면 막을 수 있다.아니면 C1이 그들이 사는 곳에 머물면서 더 이상 임블란터나 다른 사람을 괴롭히지 않을지도 모른다.밝은 면을 보라.C1의 코멘트는 임블란터가 ANI에서 피티 섹션 헤더를 사용할 수 있도록 허용했다.--Bb23 (대화) 12:14, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
누군가 자백하는 줄 알았을 거야! 2016년 5월 22일FortunaImperatrix Mundi 13시 10분(UTC)[답글]
나는 그 기회가 정말 부럽다.내 ANI 부문 타이틀은 항상 그렇게 따분하게 끝나.그러나 공평하게 말하자면, 시작보다는 중간에 있는 부사는 '이 사람이 말한 대로'보다는 '분명히'라는 뜻인 것처럼 보이게 하기 때문에 진실한 고백처럼 보이게 한다.나는 "분명히 나는 똥으로 가득 차 있다"고 거의 확실히 했을 것이다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 13:15, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

위키피디아의 프린지 푸셔 금지

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

위키백과에서 법적 위협을 하고 편집자를 공격하며 반복적으로 프린지 콘텐츠를 초자연적인 기사에 추가하고 회의론자들이 위키백과 기사를 소유했다는 음모론을 홍보한 죄로 위키백과에서 금지자멘타(토크 · 기여 · 삭제 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 · 차단 · 블록 로그)는 그의 오래된 속임수로 되돌아왔다.

그는 현재 와트세카 원더 기사를 편집하고 있으며 (토크 페이지 참조) 그는 자멘타임을 시인했으며, 여기서 그는 [82]를 차단당했다고 시인하고 있지만, "몇 년 전 나는 역전 규칙을 이해하지 못했기 때문에 임시 블록을 가지고 있었다.무례한 적은 한 번도 없었고, 편집한 내용이 아직도 많이 남아 있다고 말했다.그가 법적 위협과 인신공격으로 금지된 것을 고려하면, 이 정보는 거짓이다. (그의 계정에서 그는 심지어 사람들에게 욕설을 하고 그들에게 그들 스스로 f**k를 가라고 말하고 있었다. [83]관리자가 이를 살펴보게 하거나, 비한정 차단된 위키피디아 사용자로서 프린지 관련 기사에 혼란을 주기 위해 여기에 나타나는 것처럼 보이는 IPS를 차단하는 것이 가능한가?헬스걸 (토크) 2016년 5월 22일 18:27 (UTC)[응답]

최초 IP는 법적 위협과 탈루 차단에 대해 6개월을 차단했다.그건 뉴욕의 법률 회사인 케이힐 고든&렌델에 등록되어 있기 때문에, 나는 '위키메디아가 많은 소송에 직면할 것이다'라는 것을 액면 그대로 받아들이고 있다.두 번째 것은 퀴퀴하다. 만약 그가 그것을 다시 사용하기 시작한다면 우리에게 알려 달라. :-) 케이티talk 19:06, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
이것과 빠른 답변에 대해 알아봐줘서 고마워, 정말 고마워.HealthyGirl (토크) 19:08, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 법률사무소에서 나왔음에도 불구하고 법률적 위협의 무능함을 근거로 그가 변호사가 아니라고 추측해 볼 생각이다.데니스 브라운 - 2시간 19분 37초, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

그는 변호사가 아니다. (그는 변호사를 안다고 말한다), 사용자 이름 '자멘타'는 독특한 이름이다. 이 사람에 대한 정보를 찾는 것은 가능하다. 물론 우리는 위키피디아에 그것에 대해 써서는 안되지만, 내가 말하고자 하는 것은 그가 웹 상에서 사람들과 논쟁한 이력이 있다는 것이다.그는 수년간 위키피디아에 간섭해 왔다.아마 이들도 그일 것이다.

Jaypronx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Strikertype (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), Jbricklin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), AlbaDeTamble (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)

그것들은 모두 케케묵은 계정이지만 행동과 편집 패턴에 대한 세 가지는 자멘타와 매우 비슷하다.나는 이 문제가 일단 해결되었다고 생각하지만, 계속 지켜볼 것이다.헬스걸 (토크)20:25, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

자체 요청 블록.

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

편집하는 데 72시간 걸리면 좋겠어.(토크 페이지 액세스 포함)이는 완전히 자제력이 부족하고, 직장에서 엄청난 양의 보고가 쌓일 기한이 임박했기 때문이다.

스페이스카우보이420 (대화) 06:34, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

@Spacecowboy420:"시간"을 말하는 거야?키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:38, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
하하, 그래.지적해줘서 고마워.72일/주/기타 블록은 조금 무리일 것이다.내가 초고를 수정할게.스페이스카우보이420 (대화) 06:42, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
@Spacecowboy420: Wikibreak Enforcer를 이용하면 된다.PlatypusofDoom》(토크) 10:55, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
또는 대화 페이지의 "adminhelp" 템플릿을 사용하십시오.조셉 경, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
프로 팁:위키브렉 집행자는 이제 쓸모가 없다.사용자 정의 Javascript가 없는 모바일 사이트에 로그인하여 사용자 .js에서 제거할 수 있다.나는 이것을 한 번 해 본 적이 있다.베스넛 (대화) 13:54, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
스페이스카우보이420, 여기서 운이 더 좋을지도 몰라.DoRD (대화) 13:52, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 리스트에 나를 추가하는 것이 아니라, 내가 (성적과 함께 이것을 하는) 요청의 이유에 공감하기 때문에 그것을 먼저 했다.이안.톰슨 (대화) 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC) 14:12 (답변)
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 방문:스위스터 트위스터의 검토 문제

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

타이틀의 ANI는 3주 전에 종료되었으며, 사용자:SwisterTwister는 뚜렷한 변화 없이 ANI로 이어진 행동을 계속해왔다.재치있는 방법:

  • "등록" ~500페이지까지 ~24시간 이내에 : [84], 때로는 분당 최대 4페이지까지 검토.이것이 부지런한 검토와 일관될 가능성은 거의 없어 보인다.
  • 이 기간 동안 많은 순찰대가 명백한 추악함에 대해 보고되지 않았다. ST의 표준 응답은 회신 없이 통지를 제거하는 것이었다.
  • 적어도 하나의 삭제 태그가 성급함을 위해 되돌아갔다: [85] (아마도 다른 사람들; 나는 이것들에 대해 철저한 검색을 하지 않았다.)

왜 이런 행동이 계속되어서는 안 되는지에 대한 모든 논쟁은 이전 ANI에서 이루어졌으므로 간단히 말해, 우리는 대부분 긍정적인 영향을 미치지만 지역사회에 주의를 기울일 수 없는 편집자 없이도 할 수 있다.사용자 제안:SwisterTwisterNPP에서 금지되며, ST가 패턴을 획기적으로 바꾸려는 의도를 설득력 있게 보여줄 수 있는 경우에만 항소가 고려되어야 한다.스왑T 13:31, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

@SwisterTwister:답장이요?PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 15:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

(Ping To Vanjagenije, Individent727Revbing:)

  • 코멘트: 아마도 내가 이것을 잘못 읽고 있는 것 같은데, 여기서 선택적인 핑을 설명해 주시겠습니까?이전 토론에는 나를 포함해 꽤 많은 사람들이 참여하였다.나는 이것에 대해 깊이 우려하고 있으며 그것이 매우 부적절하다고 느낀다.이 논의의 다른 부분에 대해서는 나중에 논평할 것이다.크리스w80 (대화) 2016년 5월 20일 18:15 (UTC)[응답]
@Chrisw80: 페이지를 빨리 검토하고 ANI가 언급되는 이 최근 NPP 실과 관련이 있다고 생각한다 -- 삼타르talk or stalk 18:19, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@Samtar:, 안녕!지적해줘서 고마워.swpb가 그 특정 사용자를 선택했는지 알겠지만, 나는 여전히 그것에 대해 흥분하지 않는다.크리스w80 (대화) 2016년 5월 20일 18:31 (UTC)[응답]
그곳이 바로 그 사용자들의 출신이다.그것은 악의적인 선택이 아니었다. 바라건대 너는 그것에 대해 AGF를 하길 바란다.당신은 당신이 놓쳤다고 생각하는 어떤 목소리라도 확실히 ping할 수 있다.swpbT 19:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

SwisterTwister의 새 페이지 순찰 금지 제안

쪽지; 이 하위 제목 1로 서식만 지정 - Etimena 17:19, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)[응답]

  • 사용자 노트 확인:위의 계정은 수개월 동안 SwisterTwister와 분쟁을 벌여온 계정의 양말로서 체크유저가 차단되어 있다.리스크 담당자(대화) 05:17, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]


  • 지원 - 보통 AN/I 문제에 관여하지는 않지만(그리고 새로 만든 페이지가 '검토'로 표시되기까지 걸린 시간부터 확실히 구분하는 과정에서 눈에 띄는 문제가 여전히 존재함) 여기서 진짜 문제가 있다고 생각한다 - 이전 논의에서처럼 속도가 항상 그렇지는 않다.NPP와 관련된 힌지마이크1901 (대화) 13:55, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • SwisterTwister는 수백 개의 기사를 리뷰하고 태그를 달지만, 그의 토크 페이지에서 질문에 시기 적절하게 대답하지 않는다.제리러셀 (대화) 13:57, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지하다.스와스터트위스터의 리뷰는 거의 나아지지 않았다.그는 "당신이 큐레이션한 페이지를 보지 못했다"는 메시지를 계속해서 대량으로 받고 있다.난 평생 그거 두 개밖에 못 받았어.그의 리뷰를 보면, 그의 기사 대부분은 꼬리표가 제대로 붙어 있지 않다.아담 하산 사카크, 번호별 리빙(노래), 디지털 자극, 기여(앨범), I'd Wait a Million Years, We Happy Suberalia Patula, Buerhatong River, Beverley Station, West Australia, Jang Kechun, Tarlac City, 2016.이것을 내가 확인한 네 개의 기사와 비교해 봐. 문제없기 때문에 두 개, 그리고 그가 그것을 PROD로 만들었기 때문에 한 개.그는 기사를 잘 확인하지 못하고 있다.내 경험상, 1분에 4개만 하는 것은 기사를 적절히 태그할 수 있는 충분한 시간이다; 그는 분명히 보지 않고 있다.그리고 솔직히 말해서, 그의 토크 페이지에서의 의사소통을 거부하는 것은 매우 방해가 된다.그는 지난 ANI에서 그의 문제를 해결하라는 경고를 받았고, 그가 해결하지 않았기 때문에, 나는 NPP로부터 전면적인 금지를 지지한다. – Compensionate727 14:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • ST by에 반대하면 NPP에서 크게 죽인다.아마도 그는 더 많은 것에 대해 말하는 것에 개방적이어야 하고, 어쩌면 "검토된" 타격은 자제하도록 요청받을 수도 있지만, 도대체 어떤 방법이 ST가 NPP에서 쫓겨나서는 안 된다.뒤이어 닥칠 쓰레기 홍수는 용납될 수 없을 것이다.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 14:12, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 편집자 한 명이 필요하니 그들이 명백한 위반을 면하게 해야 한다는 말씀이세요?그것은 끔찍한 선례다. 다행히도 이 지역사회가 심각하게 받아들이지 않을 것이다.당신이 분명히 알지 못하기 때문에, ST는 "검토를 자제해달라"는 요청을 여러 번 받았는데, 그 요청은 전혀 주의를 기울이지 않았다.스왑T 14:29, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 나는 그런 종류의 것을 제안하지 않고 있는데, 네가 내 입에 말을 넣지 않는 것에 감사하겠다.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 14:49, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
        • 나는 당신의 입에 말을 넣지 않았다('너'와 '너'의 통사적 차이를 배우다), 나는 당신이 하지 않은 자신을 분명히 해 달라고 부탁했다.그렇다면 생산성이 행동에 기반한 금지를 방해해야 한다는 생각을 거부하시는 겁니까?예스냐 노냐.그렇지 않다면, 나는 내 질문에 찬성한다.만약 그렇다면 초기의 전제는 상당히 약한 것이었기 때문에 버리는 것이 좋다. 14:53, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)
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  • 레: "너"와 "" 통사적 차이, 확실히 의미론적인 의미론적인가?보잉! 제베디(토크) 15:31, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답글]
    • 관련이 있는 것은 아니지만, 아니, "합성적"은 확실히 맞는 말이다.다른 곳에서 더 이상 관련 없는 의견을 취하십시오.스왑T 15:35, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 나는 네가 두 구절(의미론)의 다른 의미를 언급하고 있다고 생각했었다.만약 네가 나의 질문 공세를 발견했다면 미안하고, 나는 그 주의를 딴 데로 돌리지 않을 것이다.보잉! 제베디(토크) 15:50, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답글]
    • 통사적 범주에서와 같이. 15Imperatrix Mundi:48, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그래, 그랬어.그리고 난 네 미끼를 물지 않을 거야.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 16:04, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 그렇다면 왜 꽃피는 것을 다시 열었을까?!?! 16Imperatrix Mundi:06, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 이전 논의 이후 변경 사항이 없으므로 지원.멘달리브 - 물론 누군가가 수문을 열고 무엇이 흘러가는지 보지 않을 때 NPP의 밀리는 줄어들 것이다.만약 ST의 제거로 인해 백로그가 관리 불가능한 비율로 증가한다면, 그 때 과정을 살펴봐야 할 것이다.그러나 '그들은 일을 잘 해낸다!'고 말하는 것과 그들이 분명히 밝힌 숫자의 증거를 사용하는 것 - 특히 사람들이 불평할 때 그들은 너무 많은 일을 하고 있고 충분한 주의를 기울이지 않고 있다-는 것은 대단한 반박이 아니다.방금 몇 가지를 현장 확인했는데, 50 대 50 정도로 좋아/나쁜 것 같아.끔찍한 비율이야오직 죽음에서만 의무가 종료된다(대화) 14:33, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 지지하다.WP:NPPCHK는 필수로, 이 편집자는 분명히 그것을 수행하지 않는다.더더욱 그렇게 여러 번 말을 듣고도 거절한다.그런 행동은 이제 그만둬야 한다.반자제니제 (대화) 14:37, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 는 SwisterTwister를 여러 번 만났는데, 그의 판단은 형편없다.또한, AfD에서의 그의 극도의 삭제된 관점 또한 검토되어야 한다.PlatypusofDoom (토크) 15:00, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아래에서 빠르게 열리고 닫힘. 따라서 이 논의의 산만함
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.
    • AfD 문제에 대한 지식이나 입장도 없이 말하면서, 나는 단지 상황을 깨끗하게 유지하기 위해서 별도의 A/I가 되어야 한다고 제안하고 싶다.스왑T 15:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, AFD를 위해 AN/I를 다르게 만드는 거야AFD 투표 총수를 추적할 방법은 없을까?PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 15:10, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@PlatypusofDoom:특수:기부금/스위스터트위스터AfD로 만든 것을 찾아봐.이미 알고 있었을 테고 더 좋은 방법은 없을 거야Compensionate(T·C) 727 15:13, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)[응답]
작동 중인 경우 AfD 통계 도구를 참조하십시오.이반벡터(대화) 15:15, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
FYI, 여기 AFD Tools 링크도 있다: [86] 어떤 편집자도 사용할 수 있다.RickinBaltimore (대화) 15:16, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지 - 지난 ANI 토론에서 내가 말하길, "는 그가 이 문제에서 벗어나서 그의 행동의 일부를 다시 생각하고 바꿀 것이라고 확신한다"고.. ..2/3주 후에 그는 분명히 아무것도 변하지 않았고 단지 아무 상관 없이 계속해왔다. 위에서 언급했듯이 그는 실제로 보지 않고 모든 것을 맹목적으로 검토하는 것 같다.그는 오히려 놀라워하고 있다. 그는 변화할 기회가 주어졌고, 분명히 신경쓰지 않았기 때문에 우리는 그들이 파괴적인 편집을 위해 그들을 막거나 그들이 NPP를 순찰하는 것을 금지한다.... (래터는 IMHO의 최선의 선택이다.) –Davey2010년Talk 15:24, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지하다.비록 이것이 이제 과거의 일이기를 바라지만.SwisterTwister는 내가 페이스를 바꾸고기사들을 더 잘 검토할 용의가 있다고 맹세했지만, NPP에서의 그의 성급함은 계속되고 있으며, 그것에 대해 질문을 받았을 때 그의 관점은 나는 어떤 [...] 비판에도 관심이 없다는 것이다.샘 세일러 15:39, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지원:우리는 역방향 상황보다 정확하게 처리된 NPP에서의 밀린 업무로 훨씬 더 나은 서비스를 받을 수 있을 것이다.이것은 너무 오랫동안 진행되어 왔고, SwisterTwister는 피드백을 통해 배우거나 합리적인 지시를 따를 수 없다는 것을 보여주었다. 리빙 16:09, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 댓글을 달다.이것은 우려되는 일이지만, 우리가 그를 교수형에 처하기 전에 피고의 말을 들을 기회를 가졌으면 한다.--모조 핸드 (대화) 16:34, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[답답변]
  • 코멘트 - 여기서 주체인 이 검토자의 새 페이지 순시에 대해서는 코멘트가 없지만, 이 검토자가 좀 더 집중적인 과정이 될 수 있는 AFC(Afc)에서 수행한 작업에 만족한다.로버트 맥클레논 (대화) 17:01, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그래, 그들의 AFC는 꽤 괜찮고, 나는 그들이 그것을 고수한다면 매우 기쁠 것이다.솔직히, 나는 가끔 그들이 AfC 사고방식을 가지고 NPP를 하는 것이 아닌가 하는 생각이 들었다.AfC에 문제를 일으킬 수 있는 태그 지정 문제만 해당. – Compensionate727 17:07, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)[응답]
  • 지지 - SwisterTwister, 미안하지만, 당신은 일을 많이 하지만, 나는 이 에 대해 신의가 바닥났어.다른 사례들을 고려해 볼 때, 나는 거의 변한 것이 없으며, 이것이 계속되도록 허용하는 것은 백과사전을 해칠 수도 있다는 결론을 내리도록 이끌었다.다른 모든 것이 좋다면 6개월 후 ST가 금지 해제를 요청하는 것에 대해 반대하지 않는다.- MrX 17:33, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 나는 ST가 순례한 30여개의 기사를 샘플로 샘플링했다.그렇게 하면서 나는 다음과 같은 것을 발견했다. [87][88][89].어찌된 일인지, 그는 심지어 토크를 [90][91] 검토된 것으로 표시하고 있다.DadzieWP를 통과한 출처도 없고 증거도 없다.LISTN. Juliar는 단일 독립 소스를 가지고 있지 않으며 거의 확실히 WP:GNG. 전투 경향목록은 독립된 소싱이 없는 장 목록으로 보인다.이 페이지들은 각각 태그를 달거나 삭제 대상으로 지정되었어야 한다. - MrX 11:52, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트: 그리고 이제 는 은퇴한 으로 추정된다.나는 그가 정말로 그것을 조작하려고 노력하고 있다고 생각한다.Compensionate 727 17:49, 2016년 5월 20일(UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트 - 우선 모조 핸드에게 감사한다.둘째로, 만약 내가 조금이라도 빨리 가고 있다면, 솔직히 말해서, 한 가지, 많은 양이 같은 사용자들에 의해 시작된 기사들, 예를 들어 알렉산더 이스칸다르(여러 개의 정부 기사를 시작한 사람)와 올림픽 기사를 시작하는 몇몇 다른 사용자들이기 때문이다.셋째, 최근 NPP에서 양말 감염이 발생하여 아무도 정확하게 고치고 있는 것 같지 않았다.사용자:Ziyankhan1사용자:수네키트, 그래서 난 내 안전지대를 벗어나서 실제 사람들이 NPP에 있는지 확인했어다시 말하지만, 나는 느려졌고 사람들은 또한 이 기사들의 양을 다시 고려해야 한다. 사용자들은 몇 시간 안에 25-30개의 기사를 시작할 것이다. 정부, 축구 등에 관한 모든 것, 그리고 그것들은 쉽고 간단한 리뷰들이다.나는 누군가가 대신 나의 토크 페이지나 다른 경로에서 이것에 대해 나에게 이야기했으면 좋겠어.아까도 말씀드렸지만 내가 대화에서 응하지 않으면 다른 사람이 방문하지 않는 지역을 돌보느라 바쁘거나, 부정적이거나 그런 곳이라면 늘 관심이 있는 것은 아니다.내 AFD 작업에 대한 ANI와 인접해 있다는 것도 좀 염려스럽지만.......스위스터트위스터 토크 17:55, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@SwisterTwister:그러나 토론에서 위에 제시된 예는 어떠한가?또한, AfD에서의 당신의 이력은 나를 걱정하게 한다. 왜냐하면 당신이 투표로 85%의 시간을 삭제하기 때문이다. 종종 좋지 않은 합리성을 가지고.PlatypusofDoom》(토크) 18:02, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
(분쟁 편집 × 2)@PlatypusofDoom:우리는 이것을 아래에서 다루었다 - 비록 ST가 주로 삭제하지만 그것들은 거의 100% 정확하다.그들의 근거에 대해서는 언급하지 않지만, 나는 당신이 여기서 잘못 짚고 있는 것 같다고 생각한다. 삼타르talk or stalk 18:06, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
@Samtar:알아, 내가 왜 그걸 스와스터트위스터에게 올려놨는지 설명 중이었어.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 18:08, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
사과드립니다 - 또한 읽기를 돕기 위해 당신의 의견을 옮겼습니다 -- 삼타르talk or stalk 18:11, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
성인의 AfD 스타들은 플라티푸스가 잘 알고 있듯이 이 논의와는 전혀 무관하다.내가 미처 보지 못한 외연으로 쌓으려는 더 강압적인 시도.어쨌든 한동안은. 2016년 5월 20일(UTC) 18:17[응답]
@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi:, 나는 오랫동안 SwisterTwister의 AfD 투표에 신경을 써왔었는데, 이것은 그가 이미 논의 중이었으므로, 이 문제를 끄집어내기에 좋은 시간처럼 보였다.내가 스위스터 트위스터를 해치려 했다고 생각한다면 미안해.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 18:22, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) 다시 대화 흐름으로 이동 -- 삼타르 18:28, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) [응답]
문제없고, 무례하지도 않지만, 당신의 계좌가 6주밖에 되지 않았기 때문에, 나는 NPP 등에서 당신의 폭넓은 경험에 대해 궁금했다.건배! 2016년 5월 20일(UTC) 18시Imperatrix Mundi 30분 답변
양말 침입?만약 그들이 쓰레기를 스팸으로 보내고 있다면, 그것은 잡힐 것이었다.1,000+(그리고 가는 속도라면 하루에 500개, 1000개는 과장이 아니다) 기사를 소홀히 해서 스스로 정리할 필요가 없었다.그 양말을 찾아서 기부금을 써봤을 수도 있었잖아.확실히 훨씬 덜 해로웠을 거야.그리고 단지 그들의 작은 것이 문제가 없다는 것을 의미하지는 않는다.적어도 스텁 태그로 태그를 달아야 하고, 보통은 참조가 불충분할 것이다.그것 또한 태그를 달아야 한다.링크로트에는 태그를 지정해야 하며(특히 이 범주를 적극적으로 정리하는 사용자가 있는 유일한 범주이므로), 범주를 갖지 않아야 한다(이것은 매우 쉬운 확인임).솔직히 납득이 안 가.그리고 위에서 언급한 MrX처럼, 정말로?태그가 저장되지 않았고 알아차리지 못하셨나요?Compensionate 727 18:04, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@SwisterTwister:그게 가장 좋은 이유야?당신이 NPP의 유일한 편집자인 것은 아니다.사람들이 양말을 잡을거야, 이것은 NPP를 통해 속도를 낼 구실을 주지 않아.PlatypusofDoom (토크) 18:15, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지난 번에 내가 검토된 페이지 표시 금지를 제안했을 때 이후로 상당한 수의 미보기로 입증된 명백한 개선 부족에 대한 지원.베스넛 (대화) 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC) 18:04 [응답]
  • 댓글을 달다.AFC와 CSD의 SwisterTwister로부터 좋은 작품을 본 적이 있다.NPP의 속도가 우려되므로 NPP로부터 6개월의 휴식을 취하도록 권하고 싶다.--Mojo Hand (대화) 18:37, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지금 장난해?여기서 주제 금지에 대한 사례가 있을지는 모르겠지만, 만약 그때 @Swpb: 이 문제를 만드는 것은 매우 서투른 일이다.그의 제안서에서 그는 ST가 24시간 동안 500페이지까지 검토했고 일부 미공개 페이지가 있었다고 말한다.그것은 예상할 수 있는 일이다. 완벽한 사람은 아무도 없다.순찰 활동의 경우, 나는 일반적으로 검토자가 95% 미만의 정확도로 수행한다면 코칭/피드백이 보장된다고 본다. 500 순찰당 약 25회 실패가 된다.ST는 그 수준 이하에서 수행되는가?OP는 그 정보를 제공하기 위해 어떤 노력도 하지 않았기 때문에 나는 모르겠다.swbp는 미공개된 지난 3주간의 페이지에 걸쳐 12개의 예를 제시했다.그래서 어쩌라고수천 명의 순찰 중, 그것은 완벽하게 타당하다 - 결국 모든 편집자들은 인간이다.분당 4개의 검토 템포도 자동으로 관련되지 않는다. 예를 들어, 공격 페이지를 식별하는 데 단 몇 초밖에 걸리지 않으며, 기사를 빠르게 태그하여 100% WP:NPPCHK를 완료했다.Swbp는 또한 "급박함을 위한 역삭제 태깅"을 주장하지만, 그 주장은 제공된 링크에 의해 지원되지 않는다. (이 링크는 거부된 AfD 제출로 되돌아간다.)나는 많은 편집자들이 명분 없이 이 시류에 편승하고 있는 것을 발견한다.금지는 최후의 수단이 되어야 합니다, 여러분.과도한 선택적 핑잉과 합치된 명분 부족은 정말 다른 무엇보다도 왕따를 연상케 한다.VQuakr (대화) 21:58, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 나는 아무도 ST의 정확도가 얼마인지 모를 것이라고 생각하지만, 그가 실제로 보지 않고 단지 나중에 하려고 할 때 페이지를 "등록"으로 표시하려는 그의 비율과 정책을 볼 때, 그의 거짓 부정행위가 그의 토크 페이지에 올라온 미완성 리뷰에 한정될 는 없다.그러나 더 중요한 것은, 그가 지역사회의 의지에 정면으로 반기를 들었고, 3주도 채 안 된 바로 이 포럼에서 자신의 관행을 바꾸려는 의도에 대해 거짓말을 했다는 점이다.우리는 그것을 참을 수 없다.스왑T 22:22, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
황소, 누군가 금지시키길 바란다면 그걸 위해 소송을 제기해NPP 실적이 저조하다는 증거를 제시하면, 나는 당신의 주장을 검토하고 내가 알고 있는 지지나 반대에 응할 것이다.ST가 지속적으로 "그것들을 실제로 보지 않고 단지 나중에 하려고 할 뿐"이라는 증거를 연결해주길 바란다.어떤 "공동체의 의지"를 말하는 겁니까?공정한 경고: "합의 없음"으로 종결된 토론으로 연결하면 송어를 벌게 된다.VQuakr (대화) 22:44, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
SwisterTwister는 그의 NPP 검토가 개선될 것이라고 말했지만, 그는 여전히 최악의 일을 하고 있다.그는 이것 때문에 백과사전을 해치고 있다.또 NPP 금지에 대한 공감대가 압도적으로 큰 것으로 보인다.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 22:49, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
개표가 합의점을 결정하는 방법이 아니라는 것을 알지만, 지금까지 12개의 '지지'가 있었고, 유일한 '반대' 투표는 약한 논쟁의 배후에 있다.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 22:53, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@PlatypusofDoom:그는 여전히 최악의 일을 하고 있다.어떤 정보에 기초하여 이 결론에 도달하셨습니까?투표수를 세는 것이 합의를 결정하는 방법이 아니라는 것을 안다.좋아, 하지 마.VQuakr (대화) 22:55, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@VQuakr: 위에 제공된 예시를 보십시오.또한, 그는 계속해서 "나는 당신이 검토한 기사를 보지 못했다"라는 메시지를 받고 있다. 그의 토크 페이지를 보아라!PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 22:58, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이미 내 포스트에서 그것을 언급하였다.만약 당신이 암시하듯이 당신의 평가가 이 토론에서 연계된 ST의 5월 리뷰의 0.3%에 근거한다면, 나는 당신의 의견을 너무 무지해서 가치를 가질 수 없다고 무시해도 무방하다.VQuakr (대화) 23:06, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
약한 논쟁 내 눈.누군가 내 주장을 잘못 쓴 것 같아.ST는 어떤 자의적 기준에 부합할 만큼 충분히 자세를 바로잡지 못했고, VQuakr이 바로 지적했듯이, NPP에서의 ST의 미스 레이트가 용납할 수 없을 정도로 높다는 사례가 만들어지지 않았다.증거를 좀 봅시다.체리피크한 예들이 아니라, 중요한 것일 뿐만 아니라, 다른 NPPP에 비해 불균형하게 심각한 조직적인 실패가 있다는 증거다.검토 버튼을 누르는 것을 금지하는 것을 정당화하기 위해 당신이 해야 할 경우가 바로 그것이다.NPP를 완전히 금지하는 것은 위의 증거들 중 어떤 것이든 보여주는 것과는 완전히 별개의 문제다.예를 들어 CSD가 상당히 오용되었다는 증거가 있는가?그렇지 않다면 CSD의 새로운 페이지에 태그를 붙일 수 없기 때문에 NPP에서 완전히 금지하는 것은 부적절하다 —/Mendaliv///Δ's 23:05, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
RPP NPP 통계를 추적할 수 있는 도구를 만들어야겠어누가 그렇게 할만큼 충분히 협조적인 사람인가?PlatypusofDoom》(토크) 23:30, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@PlatypusofDoom:NPP 옴니 불꽃 23:46, 2016년let's talk about it 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]을 말하는 것 같아.
@Omni Flame: 응, 내가 망쳤어.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 23:56, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
@옴니 불꽃:이 사건에서 어느 누구도 SwisterTwister의 페이지 보호 요청을 보고 싶어하지 않는 것 같아.앗.PlatypusofDoom (Talk) 00:01, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 나는 페이지/분 단위로 측정한 비율로 새로운 기사를 삭제하는 사람은 검토된 것으로 표시된 페이지의 99%를 정확하게 검토/태그/수정해야 한다고 예상한다. 99% 미만이 정확하지 않은 것보다 느리게 읽는 것이 더 낫다면 말이다.NPP는 당신이 얼마나 많은 기사를 검토하느냐가 아니라 얼마나검토하느냐에 관한 것이다.그것은 아무도 ST가 시간이 지남에 따라 1%의 오류를 범하고 있다는 것을 보여주지 않았다는 것이다.1% 5%의 불량 재조회를 보여주고 나는 이 금지를 지지할 것이다. (이 경우 1%는 ST의 절대적 리뷰 횟수가 많다는 것은 더 많은 불량 기사를 통과시킬 수 있다는 것을 의미하고 500개 기사를 리뷰할 때 속도를 늦추고 여전히 많은 을 할 수 있는 여지가 있다는 것을 의미하기 때문에 5%가 문제 검토의 일반적인 비율이라고 말한다.) JbhTalk 01:31, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) NPP를 단순한 반달 싸움의 쉬운 버전이라고 생각하는 일부 편집자의 쓰레기 리뷰보다 ST가 95%의 좋은 리뷰를 하는 것이 더 좋기 때문에 5%로 변경되었다. JbhTalk 01:38, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) [응답하라]
  • 코멘트 내가 보기엔 다른 사건들은 분명히 판단 착오였지만 이 두 사건에서 스와스터 트위스터가 옳았던 것 같다.
  • NPP의 전면 금지반대한다(그러나 대체 해결책을 지지한다) 나는 SwisterTwister의 작품을 AfD에서 직접 그리고 AfC에서 간접적으로 보았다.이 두 가지 모두에서, 나는 그들이 전반적으로 상당히 잘했다고 말하고 싶다.(AfDing Wikipedia의 가장 오래 실행된 속임수 포함).NPP에서의 판단 착오에 대해, 나는 이 시점에서 전면 금지를 지지하기를 망설인다.첫째, 나는 (JbhunleyVQuakr에 나오는) 통계를 보지 못했기 때문이다.둘째로, ST가 NPP에서 자원봉사를 하는 몇 안 되는 사람들 중 하나라는 점을 고려하면, 나는 오히려 ST의 정확성을 향상시킬 수 있는 해결책을 찾는 데 주력하고 싶다.6개월 전면 금지를 시행하는 것은 도움이 되지 않을 것이다.두 달 전에 NPP를 해봤더니 금방 피곤해졌어.약 20페이지를 검토한 후, 일시적인 피로감과 기사에 대한 나의 내부 기준이 줄어들기 시작했다.나는 그 이후로 그것을 하는 것을 그만두었다.여기서 내가 제안하는 것은 ST에 대해 하루에 검토할 수 있는 기사의 수를 제한한 다음 정확성을 감시하는 것이다.무엇이 한도가 되어야 하는지는 논의될 수 있다.하지만 포괄적 금지는 생산적이지 않을 것 같아. --Lemongirl942 (대화) 05:23, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 강력한 반대 주제 금지.진심이에요?ST는 NPP에서 가장 헌신적이고 적극적인 검토자일 것이다.새로운 페이지를 직접 순찰하는 사람으로서, 나는 우리가 더 많은 패트롤러가 절실히 필요하다는 것을 안다.나는 또한 ST를 여러 번 접했고 나는 그의 작품에 전반적으로 완전히 감명받았다고 말해야 한다.우리가 그를 금지하면 어떻게 될지 생각해 봤어?순찰은 여기서 해야 할 가장 어렵고 피곤한 일 중 하나이다.공격 페이지나 광고가 기사로 오래 머물수록 더 나빠지기 때문에 그것도 가장 중요한 것 중 하나이다.우리는 새로운 리뷰를 수집하는데 시간을 보내야 해, 그것들을 금지해서는 안 돼!
나는 또한 OP가 이 주제를 열 때 정말로 매우 빈약한 주장을 했다는 것을 지적하고 싶다.그들은 16일 동안 순찰을 도는 잘못된 새 페이지의 총 10가지 예를 제시했다.OP는 또한 그가 매일 약 500페이지를 순찰하고 있다고 말했다.여기서 몇 가지 계산을 해보자, 즉 ST가 16일 동안 대략 16*500=8000페이지를 순찰했다는 뜻이다.물론 그 예도 더 많을 테지만 OP는 그런 예들을 제시하지 못했다.8000장 중 10장을 잘못 순열한 것은 놀라운 성공률이다.우리는 부적절한 순찰의 수에 대한 주제적 금지가 아니라 전체 순찰에 대한 부적절한 순찰의 비율에 근거해야 한다.성병에게 TBAN은 누군가가 너무 활동적인 것을 금지하는 것과 같다.말도 안 돼.그래서, 나는 이 제안에 강력히 반대한다. 적어도 누군가가 나에게 새로운 페이지를 순찰하는 스와스터 트위스터가 백과사전에 해롭다는 반신반의 증거를 줄 때까지.옴니 불꽃 05:59, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • St. ST. NPP 500개 기사에 대한 강력한 반대 NPP 금지 24시간?왜 500개의 기사를 검토해야 하는가?나는 ST가 다른 NPP를 클릭했을지 의심스럽다.만약 다른 NPP들이 ST가 그들로부터 일을 빼앗고 있다고 불평하기 시작하고 ST가 여전히 서투른 일을 하고 있다고 불평하기 시작한다면, 그것에 대해 토론해보자.우리가 직접 NPP를 더 많이 해서 문제를 해결할 수는 없을까?짐1138 (대화) 06:57, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대- 금지를 요구하는 사람들은 실제로 그렇게 강력한 사례를 만들지 않았다. 스위스터 트위스터의 실수율은 그들이 하는 일의 양에 비해 그렇게 형편없는 것이다.2016년YO! 5월 21일(UTC) 08:44[응답]
    • 무슨 "실수율"이야?실수를 할 수 있으려면 무언가를 해야 한다.기사를 검토 중이라면 실수에 대한 코멘트를 할 수 있을 텐데 전혀 검토하지 않고 '검토' 버튼만 클릭한다.그는 아무 일도 하지 않고 있기 때문에 실수가 없다.그는 기사를 실제로 검토하지 않고 검토된 것으로만 표시하기 때문에 다른 편집자들이 기사를 검토하지 못하게 한다.실제로 검토되지 않는 '검토'라고 표기된 1만개의 기사를 싣는 것보다 미보고 1만개의 기사가 검토를 기다리는 것이 낫다고 본다.반자제니제 (대화) 15:35, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 그것은 OP의 주장으로 보이는 것이 아니다: ST의 검토 품질이 너무 낮다는 것이다.우리는 그것에 대한 증거를 요구하고 있다.그가 확인도 하지 않고 리뷰만 클릭한다는 단정적인 진술은 유효한 증거가 아니다.청구에 대한 증거를 제공하십시오.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 15:45, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
        • 같은 순간에 이 편집자는 검토된 대로 이것, 이것, 이것, 이것 저것을 표시했다.WP 확인은커녕 1분도 안 돼 이 5개 기사를 읽는 것조차 불가능하다.NPPCHK. Vanjagenije (대화) 16:55, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]
          • 그 중 세 곡이 음원 SNG를 통과한 곡/앨범이라는 것을 보는 데 1분도 걸리지 않았다.바이오는 공격물이 아닌 소스가 제공되어 GNG를 통과할 가능성이 충분하다. 유일하게 내가 확신할 수 없는 것은 '디지털 자극'이다. 차트는 작성되지 않은 것 같지만, 나는 그에게 그 의심의 혜택을 줄 수 있을 만큼 충분히 압박을 받고 있다.나는 그것을 물려주었거나 아니면 프로디드 했겠지만 대중음악은 내 것이 아니다.JbhTalk 17:18, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]
            • 어떤 기사들은 매우 빨리 검토될 수 있지만, 다른 기사들은 시간과 노력을 들인다.예를 들어, 만약 어떤 사람이 정말로 잘 쓰여진 학술적 수준 기사나 마케팅 카피와 같은 것을 만난다면, 그들이 가장 먼저 해야 할 일은 잠재된 WP를 찾는 것이다.CopyVio.이것들은 상상하는 것보다 훨씬 더 흔하다.예를 들어, 기후 변화 결과와 같이 설명할 수 없는 모호함이 있는 새로운 기사를 발견한 경우, 그들은 위키피디아에서 중복된 기사(지구온난화의 영향)를 확인해야 한다.마찬가지로, Ripy McFlyRapper(뮤지션)와 마주칠 경우, 검색 결과 Ripy McFlyRapper에 대한 이전 AfD가 나타날 수 있다.파키스탄의 한 마을에 관한 짤막한 기사에는 그 마을의 이름과 가장 가까운 도로만 포함될 수 있다.내 생각에는 적어도 검토하기 전에 스텁에 카테고리, 즉 국가명을 추가해야 한다고 본다. - MrX 18:16, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
              • 그렇다, 하지만 아직 증명되지 않은 것은 ST가 그런 것들을 짧게 깎고 있다는 것이다.만약 그가 주목할 만한 주제, 카피비오, blp위반 등을 통과하도록 허용하고 있지만 그것이 입증되지 않았다면 나는 훨씬 더 제재를 지지하는 경향이 있을 것이다.개인적으로 나는 고양이, 참고 자료, 링크 등도 청소해야 한다고 생각한다. 또는 적어도 자동화된 도구로 합리적인 시도를 해야 하지만, 중요한 것은 수백만 개의 다른 기사에서 길을 잃기 전에 여기에 있어서는 안 되는 기사들을 보관하는 것이다.

                그것조차 관리하지 않는 NPP 편집자들이 많다.그들은 단지 더 적은 수의 아트클을 복습할 뿐이다.나는 ST를 금지함으로써 생긴 밀린 업무는 경험 많은 검토자들이 고갈되거나 실수를 저지르지 않고 하루에 20-30개의 리뷰로 최대치를 기록한다고 말한 경험 있는 검토자들에 의해 해결되지 않을까 두렵다.JbhTalk 18:44, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]

  • 반대 나는 반대하는 다른 편집자들이 위에서 말하는 것에 동의한다.정확한 리뷰에 대한 스와이스터트위스터의 부정확한 비율이 우려할 만한 것이라는 증거는 없다.나는 그들의 마지막 30여 페이지의 샘플을 살펴봤지만 아무런 문제가 보이지 않는다.태그가 달렸어야 할 페이지들은, 속도감 있게, 또는 찌그러졌어야 할 페이지들은, 그리고 정확했다.미공개된 마지막 7페이지도 살펴봤다.12일 1개, 13일 2개, 16일 2개, 18일 1개, 19일 1개가 있었다.이들 중 어느 것도 스와스터트위스터 원심의 정당한 문제 때문에 미공개된 것은 없었다.나는 각 미망에 대한 나의 평가를 아래에 열거할 것이다.
  • 5월 12일 - 코너 Fregal - 이것은 아마도 편집 충돌로 인한 순찰 로그의 이상함이었다.패톨 로그에 의하면 MrX는 아직 보지 못했고 빠른 삭제로 태그가 붙었다고 한다.SwisterTwister는 자신의 토크 페이지에서 빠른 삭제를 위해 태그를 달았다고 답변했다.아마 둘 다 동시에 태그가 붙었을 거야, MrX의 태깅은 끝났고 순찰 일지는 엉망이 됐어.전에도 이런 일이 일어나는 것을 본 적이 있다.
    • 그건 틀렸다.그는 내가 빠른 삭제를 지명하기 전에 그것을 검토했다고 표시했다.그 기사는 명백히 공공 기물 파손 행위였다.- 미스터X 11:42, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 페이지 로그 [92]에 세 개의 항목이 표시됨
        • 02:31, 2016년 5월 12일 MrX(토크 기여 블록)는 코너 Fregal을 미보수로 표시했다(이것이 검토된 것으로 표시된 이유는 잘 모르겠다).완전히 말도 안 된다.)
        • 12일 블록는 코너 02:44, 2016년 5월 12일 스위스터트위스터(SwisterTwister)로했으며, 이는 코너 프릴을 시스다(Conor Fregallelo)로 표기했다.
        • 03:40, 2016년 5월 12일 명시적(대화 기여 블록) 삭제 페이지 코너 프롤리컬(G3: 반달리즘)
      • 당신이 미공개된 것은 첫 번째다.당신이 동시에 그 페이지에 태그를 달 수 있는 유일한 방법은 만약 당신 둘 다 그 페이지에 태그를 달았고 그 충돌로 인해 로그가 SwisterTwister가 그것을 검토했다고 생각하게 되면 당신은 그것을 보지 않았지만 당신의 편집만 거쳤기 때문에 13분 후에 SwisterTwister는 그것이 여전히 보고되지 않은 것으로 보여지기 때문에 그것을 검토된 것으로 표시했다.비록 당신이 태그를 달긴 했지만사라지2177 (대화) 12:11, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
        • 가 페이지를 보기 3시간 28분 전에 이걸 놓치셨군요.연대기: ST는 페이지를 검토했고, 나는 페이지를 보고 CSD를 했고, ST는 페이지를 다시 검토했다.-MrX 17:03, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 5월 13일 - Sally의 Caspar Lee - Loriendrew와 SwisterTwister 둘 다 자동 보기/미보기의 편집 충돌을 동시에 태그했다.
  • 5월 13일 - Tejasvi - SwisterTwsiter와 Swbp가 동시에 태그됨; 또 다른 편집 충돌.
  • 5월 16일-팀부터 1325년까지 역 패러독스-스위스터트위스터가 프로딩했고, 랜디키티는 완벽히 받아들일 수 있고, 프로딩이 작동해야 하는 방식도 탈장 및 태깅을 했다.SwisterTwister는 자신의 토크 페이지에 있는 메시지에 응답하여 이 페이지가 삭제될 가능성이 가장 높은 AfD로 가져갔다.
    • 작은 수정.ST의 prodding 후에 페이지 작성자는 prod를 제거했다[93].랜디키티는 그 뒤에 꼬리표를 붙였다. --Lemongirl942 (토크) 13:07, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 5월 16일 - 남프릭 옹 - 스위스터트위스터는 다른 편집자가 거친 번역 태그를 추가하는 것과 거의 동시에 리페어닝 태그를 추가했다.이것은 아마도 또 다른 편집 충돌이었을 것이다.
  • 5월 18일 - Pakoku University - CSD 태그를 잘못 추가했을 때 신규 사용자가 페이지를 자동 조회 해제했다.SwisterTwister의 원래 페이지 검토는 괜찮았다; 그는 참조되지 않은 태그와 스텁 태그를 추가했다.
  • 5월 19일 - Srikanth Gowda - 페이지는 현재 막힌 양말에 의해 보이지 않았다.SwisterTwister는 BLP 소스 태그를 올바르게 추가했다.
나는 그들의 페이지 검토 능력에 대해 나에게 어떤 걱정거리도 주지 못했다.주제 금지를 정당화할 충분한 증거가 확실히 없다.사라즈2107 (대화) 08:57, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대하다. 문제가 있는 오류율에 대한 어떠한 증거도 제시되지 않았으며, 사라즈2107의 분석은 나에게 미보여지는 몇 페이지도 큰 문제가 되지 않는다고 납득시킨다.전반적으로, 이 감사하지 않은 일에 대한 스와스터 트위스터의 성공률은 꽤 좋아 보인다.보잉! 제베디(토크) 09:26, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • Sarahj2107의 정보에 의한 반대 --Cameron11598 09:41, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 옴니플람스와 사라즈2017에 반대하라.나는 ST의 오류율이 용납될 수 없다는 것을 확신하지 못하며, Boing이 말한 것처럼, 무엇에 그렇게 열심히 노력하는 사람의 NPP 서비스를 잃고 싶지 않다.JohnCD (대화) 09:46, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 어떠한 제재도 반대한다.많은 정황과 암시적인 증거들이 ST에 대해 제시되었지만, 우리는 가장 어려운 사실과 부정행위의 증거 외에는 어떤 것도 감당할 수 없다.이것은 WP의 (높은) 숫자, 다양한 차이 및 질적 손상의 형태일 것이다.그 중 어느 것도 제시되지 않았다.프로젝트의 순손실을 초래하는 우리 자신의 행동을 막기 위해서는 증거를 그렇게 높은 기준에 맞춰야 한다. 2016년 5월 21일(UTC) 11시Imperatrix Mundi 35분, 2016년 5월 21일()
  • 지지: NPP로부터의 절대 금지.첫 번째 커뮤니티 토론에서와 동일한 이유로.게다가, 개선의 부족과 스와스터 트위스터의 부분을 개선하거나 심지어 신경쓰는 것처럼 보이기까지 하는 명백한 협력의 부족.나는 어제와 같이, 내가 한 페이지를 커브를 풀었고 그의 페이지에 공지가 떨어졌을 때, 나는 조바심을 낼 필요성을 느낀다.왜 내가 그 기사가 순찰을 마친 후에 가치가 없다는 것을 증명하기 위해 연구에 착수해야 하는가?다른 편집자가 전적으로 지명한 PROD 기사에 아이마 베이그가 현재 올라가고 있다고 한다. 그래서 다른 편집자 3명이 이제 애당초 승인된 것처럼 순찰을 하지 말았어야 하는 기사에 노력을 기울였다.고마워, Fylbecatuloustalk 12:20, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 큐레이트를 되돌릴 필요는 없지만, 큐레이션에서 ST의 미스 레이트가 불균형적으로 나쁘다는 것을 증명해야 한다.여기서 ST가 페이지를 많이 큐레이션하기 때문에 그리움이 많다는 것을 논쟁하는 것은 그만큼 쉽다.높은 생산자는 항상 낮은 생산자보다 많은 실수를 저지른다. 그들의 실수율이 같을 때.상당히 다른 실수율이 있다는 것은 입증된 적이 없다.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 14:06, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 에러율에 관한 것이지 에러가 0을 넘었는지의 문제가 아니다.금지할 만한 충분한 증거가 없다.카라이트 (대화) 13:10, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 일부 기사는 관련 정책을 숙지하고 빠르게 검토될 수 있다.대체로 ST는 검토를 잘 하는 것 같다.그들이 나쁜 일을 하고 있다는 증거를 제공할 수 없다면, 빨리 검토하는 것은 논쟁거리가 아니다.Ajraddatz (대화) 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC) 18:57 [응답]
  • NPP로부터의 2주간의 금지 지지: 나는 이것이 ST의 가장 큰 문제는 아니라고 생각하지만, 나는 그가 약간 느리게 하기 위해 짧고 날카로운 뺨을 때려야 한다고 생각하는데, 당근을 가지고 친절하게 부탁하는 것이 그의 마음을 바꾸지는 않는다.그러면 그가 그것을 얻었는지 볼 수 있는 기회.나는 그가 자질을 유명무실하게 혼동하는 경향이 있어서 괴로웠다.NPP를 제대로 하려면 두 가지를 구분해야 한다.나는 또한 합병을 하거나 사용자 정의가 더 효과적일 때 삭제해야 한다는 그의 주장에 대해 걱정했다.그는 때때로 너무 빨리 일하고 불충분한 분석으로 일하고 있다.Montanabw에 의해 추가된 이전의 서명되지 않은 논평 (토크기여)
  • 반대 - 제안된 AFD 금지법만큼 형편없는 생각은 아니지만, (정말 끔찍하게) 나는 여전히 금지를 정당화할 만큼 충분하다고 생각하지 않는다.제안자들을 달래는 것 말고는 다른 이유가 없다면 ST가 속도를 늦췄으면 좋겠는데, 그래서 그들은 이 긴 토론으로 그것을 중단시킬 것이다.세르게크로스73 msg me 19:32, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대: 위에서 자주 지적했듯이, ST의 오류율이 여기서 금지를 지지할 만큼 높다는 증거가 부족하다.위의 예들 중 하나(대부분 음악과 관련된 5개 기사의 선정)는 반자게니제(Vanjagenije가 발표하였다.나는 그 도전을 받아들였고 Jbhunley에서 정확히 같은 결과를 도출했다.나는 ST가 속도를 줄여야 한다는 것에 동의하지만, 문제는 주제 금지를 지지할 만큼 심각하지 않다.SwisterTwister, 이 상황을 잠시 냉각시키기 위해, 당신은 NPP로부터 자발적인 3개월에서 6개월의 휴식을 취할 용의가 있는가?이것은 장기적으로 모든 것을 해결할 수도 있다.크리스w80 (대화)20:12, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 어떻게 그를 속력을 늦추게 할 작정이세요?반자제니제 (대화)20:42, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 친절하게 요청하거나, 분당 요금 제한을 검토하도록 요구하거나, NPP 금지가 뒷받침될 수 있는 허용할 수 없는 오류율에 대한 실제 증거를 수집할 수 있다.내가 말할 수 있는 한 그는 그것을 늦춰달라는 요청을 받았을지도 모르지만, 받아들일 수 없는 실수 비율을 뒷받침할 명확한 증거가 없는 상태에서, 왜 그가 그렇게 해야 하는가?어쨌든, 이 중 어떤 것도 NPP 금지에 대한 첫 번째 요구 이전에 이루어졌어야 했고, 그 후 3주 만에 이루어졌어야 했다.그것은 실제로 나를 관련 지점으로 이끈다.왜 우리는 단지 3주 후에 이 같은 점을 망치로 두드리는 것일까?어서요, 여러분.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 23:54, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
        • 첫째, 당신은 "ST가 속도를 줄여야 한다는 것에 동의한다"고 말하는데, 당신이 "왜가 그래야 하는가?"라고 생각하는 것보다 더 많이 말한다.자, 그 중 어느 것이 너의 의견이니?반자제니제 (대화) 14:40, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대하라. 나는 여기에 실제 문제가 있다는 증거를 보지 못한다.AFD 투표에서 지적했듯이, 단순히 투표 삭제를 많이 하는 것은 그러한 것들을 삭제해야 한다면 잘못된 것이 아니다.재미를 위해 특정 비율의 유지/삭제를 명시적으로 투표할 필요는 없다.그 예들은 별로 말해주지도 않는다.샐리의 캐스파 리에 대해서는 ST가 프로딩해 순찰을 했지만 남아공 유튜버가 실제로 기사를 갖고 있다는 이유로 A10에 등록하지 않고 삭제했다.한나 왓킨스는 CSD를 위해 순찰을 돌았고 대신 드래프트 스페이스로 이동했다(미발송 문서:한나 왓킨스는 초안에는 적용되지 않는 A7에 의해 잘못 삭제되었다.문제는 새로운 페이지에서 일어나는 이상한 일들이 너무 많아서 누구나 몇 가지 예를 슬쩍 집어볼 수 있지만, 실제 문제를 증명하는 패턴은 보이지 않는다는 것이다. -- Ricky81682 (토크) 20:24, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 강력히 반대하라 이것은 터무니없고 완전히 터무니없는 생각이다.SwisterTwister by and large are kill it at NPP, 그리고 NPP를 금지하는 것은 그것이 가득 차게 하고, 아마도 트롤에 의해 오버런 될 것이다.그의 검토는 때때로 너무 빠르고 부정확할 수 있지만, 그는 다른 모든 사람들과 마찬가지로 인간적이며, 주제 금지는 정답이 아니다.만약 당신이 그를 금지하기로 결정한다면, 당신은 매우 훌륭한 편집자를 잃게 될 가능성이 높기 때문에, 그러한 행동의 파장을 강하게 고려하십시오.Tom29739 20:57, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대: 100개의 메인 스페이스 편집기로 편집하는 편집자보다 ST가 백로그를 지우는 편이 낫다.ST의 비례 오류율이 높다는 것을 보여줄 증거가 불충분하다.에스콰이컬리티 23:38, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 강한 반대 나는 오직 한 남자가 많은 양의 일을 긍정적으로 하는 것을 본 적이 있다.보슬리 보슬리 (대화) 23:52, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 강한 반대.나는 AfD의 ST에 항상 동의하지는 않지만, AfC에서의 그의 일처럼 그의 일에는 그 프로젝트의 자산이 있다.나는 NPP에서 많은 일을 하지는 않지만 가끔 기여하려고 노력한다.ST처럼 같은 편집자의 기사를 몇 개 보면, 그리고 첫 번째 기사를 보고 나면, 다음 몇 개는 대개 패턴을 따르기 때문에 매우 빠른 리뷰가 된다.얼마 전에 내가 필리핀 입법부를 위해 그것들을 만들고 있던 한 편집자의 기사를 몇 개 훑어보았을 때 이런 일이 있었다.위의 나사산에 제시된 예에 따르면, ST의 NPP와 관련된 주요 이슈(%)는 없는 것으로 보인다.나는 ST가 조금 느려지는 것을 보고 싶지만, 그렇다고 해서 막을 이유는 아니다.오넬5969 02:33, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대: 어떤 선행도 처벌받지 않는다.이 제안의 지지자/제안자들에게 프로젝트에 자산이 되는 사람들을 괴롭히기 보다는 생산적인 일을 할 수 있는 무언가를 찾도록 하자.이것은 선량한 사람들을 겁탈하는 종류의 것이다.브라크(대화) 02:45, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대: 나는 AfD에 있는 그의 이성애자들의 열렬한 팬은 아니지만, 보통 그가 옳다.그는 NPP에서 좋은 일을 하고 있다.주제 금지가 되면 어떤 일이 벌어질지 생각하니 몸서리가 쳐진다.설마 사람들이 자원봉사로 NPP 드러지 작업을 하기 위해 줄을 서 있는 건 아니겠지.그들은 아니에요.그는 그 프로젝트의 순자산이다.나는 그의 에러율이 평균보다 높다는 것을 증명하고 싶다.미스터랜덤화(토크) 10:25, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 지난번과 마찬가지로, 몇 가지 실수를 지적하는 것은 금지/제재에 대한 충분한 증거가 아니다.내게는 그가 저지르는 실수들로 인한 좌절감을 악화시키는 더 큰 문제는 문제가 발생했을 때 효과적으로 의사소통을 하지 못하는 것으로 보인다.그가 일을 해야 할 일이야, 그렇지 않으면 그가 속도를 늦추든 말든 우리는 다시 이곳으로 돌아올 거야.로도덴드라이트 \\ 13:47, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

금지 기간—6개월?

WP:RBI - 데니스 브라운 - 2016년 2월 7일 07:32, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

이대로라면 금지는 거의 이뤄지고 있다.이것으로 의문이 생기다.금지는 6개월이 될 것인가? 에티메나 02:56, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 무기한 금지가 현재 논의되고 있는 것이라고 믿고 있으며, 무기한 금지가 적절하다고 생각한다.제안된 금지는 파괴적인 행동이 아니라 지속적인 무능과 적절한 비판에 주의를 기울이지 않기 위한 것이다.나는 그것이 의무적인 휴식으로 해결될 이유가 없다고 본다.리빙 03:44, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
@Reb빙:, @Mendaliv: 제안이 성공할 것이라는 점을 감안하여, 나는 공동체가 아래에서 결정할 수 있는 두 번의 제안을 만들었다. 에티메나 04:49, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 금지령이 제정될 경우 6개월 또는 그 이하를 지원한다.나는 대부분의 편집자들이 실제로 제재로부터 구제를 얻을 수 없기 때문에 일반적으로 무기한 제재에 반대한다.나는 또한 논의 중인 제재가 무기한이라는 가정에 반대한다.길이에 대한 어떠한 진술도 한 적이 없으며, 비록 흔하지만, 무기한 길이에 대한 합의가 있다고 추측하는 것은 잘못이다.—/Mendaliv///Δ's 04:07, 2016년 5월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

닫기 제안

이 문제는 2주 전에 제기되었을 때보다 훨씬 더 적은 액수로, 여기에는 분명히 조치를 위한 합의가 이루어지지 않았다.제안자/지원자는 일부 NPP 오류를 입증했지만 ST의 오류율이 과도하거나 문제가 있다는 증거는 없었다.단순히 어떤 일에 빨리 임하는 것이 제재의 이유가 아니라 속도가 혼란을 일으키고 있다는 것을 보여줄 필요가 있다.

다른 분께서 허락하지 않으셨다면 이걸 닫아 주시겠습니까?JbhTalk 18:58, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 나도 동의해.명확한 합의가 이루어지지 않았음에도 불구하고, 나는 이것을 여기에 가져온 것을 후회하지 않는다.나는 우리가 동의하고, 동의하지 않으며, 단순히 회색 영역에 무엇이 있는지 보는 것이 좋다고 생각한다.BLP와 DS 관련 내용을 추가한 것은 관리자가 아닌 편집자였기 때문에 클로져가 어떻게 처리할지 모르겠다.여하튼 나는 그것을 감수하고 살 것이다.데니스 브라운 - 2시간 19분 14초, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 내가 이전에 지지했던 투표에도 불구하고, 나도 동의해 - 그 당시에는 분명히 의견이 일치하지 않았고, 곰곰이 생각해 보면, 언급된 사건들은 페이지 수에 비례하여 분리되어 있다는 것을 알 수 있어.마이크1901 (대화) 2016년 5월 22일 19:19 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

IP별 법적 위협

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

여기: [94] 마이크1901 (대화) 20:48, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

이번 주 초 ANI의 THE SLASE에서 나온 동일 인물일 겁니다. --Cameron11598(Talk) 20:54, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
같은 범위도. -- The Videwalker 20:55, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
{{uw-nlt} 템플릿 --Cameron11598(Talk) 20:56, 2016년 5월 22일(UTC)[응답]
@야구 벅스 : 이 사실을 알고 싶을지도 모른다... --Cameron11598(Talk) 21:05, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
알려줘서 고마워.그 리프 데스크 트롤이야최근에 그는 내가 페이스북과 관련이 있다고 비난했다.재밌네, 나 페이스북 안하니까.베이스볼 버그스카라믹스What's up, Doc?→ 23:38, 2016년 5월 22일(UTC)】[응답]
또한, 그는 나의 "동료 관리자"를 언급했다.내가 승진을 했음에 틀림없는데 아무도 내게 그것에 대해 말해주지 않았다. :) 아니면 강등인가?야구 벅스 당근→08:45, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
Favonian은 LTA를 위해 그들을 막았다.그래도 잘 지켜봐.그들은 얼마 전부터 이 일을 해오고 있다. -- The Videwalker 22:17, 2016년 5월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

우리는 어른이 필요하다.

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

RfA에서 무시했어야 할 사소한 허튼소리에 대한 편집 전쟁이 벌어지고 있다.그러나 이 RfA에는 다른 드라마가 없기 때문에 사람들은 아무리 평범해도 볼 수 있는 유일한 드라마에 매달렸다.RfA에서 !vot를 하지 않은 사람은 여기서 무엇을 할지 결정하십시오.--v/r - TP 05:19, 2016년 5월 23일(UTC)[응답]

(갈등 편집) 어떤 사람들은 아직도 우리가 백과사전을 짓기 위해 이곳에 왔다는 것을 이해하지 못한다.WP: 부담 갖지 마십시오.그 최근 IP, 분명 누군가의 삭푸펫(누군지 모르겠다)인 RBI.이 BS는 정말 짜증나.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:29, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 거기에 코멘트를 하지 않았다.어른으로서 나에게 동기를 부여하기 위해 감자칩이나 위스키가 필요하다.하지만 난 이미 다른 곳에서 트롤이 얼마나 대단한지에 대해 언급했어. 그래서 난 여기서 네 어른이 되지는 못할 것 같아.디클라이언 (대화) 05:24, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
감자칩?그것은 나에게 불쾌하다!키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:31, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
기름에 튀기기를!디클라이언 (대화) 05:42, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
아무도 네 이름을 근거로 농담을 할 수 없다는 사실을 이용하려는 거야!키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:49, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
이게 바로 TParis가 말하는...
대부분의 경고는 제거되고 있다 - 그래서 그들은 그들이 여기서 무엇을 하고 있는지 이해한다고 추측된다.SQLQuery me! 05:25, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
일부 기사 SQL을 작성하거나 개선하십시오.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:29, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
키호테틱포타토가 그냥 깊은 곳에서 벗어나 다시 되돌리기로 결정하지 않는 한 편집 전쟁은 이 시점에서 멈춘 것 같다. 그것은 3RR을 충분히 깨트릴 것이다.이곳은 이미 가장 야비한 편집 전쟁 리스트에 오를 자격이 있다.노스비사우스바라노프 (대화) 05:27, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 그 BS가 지겨워.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:29, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
확실히 말하자면, 이것은 전면전이다.
--v/r - TP 05:28, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
223.231.10.171은 분명히 누군가의 양말이라는 점에 유의한다.또한, 일부 사람들은 반복적인 초대에도 불구하고 토크 페이지 사용을 거부하지만 편집자만을 사용하여 의사소통(대부분)한다는 점에 유의하십시오.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:30, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
요약 편집 여부 - 대화 페이지에서 경고를 제거하면 요약 내용을 읽고 이해한 것으로 가정한다.SQLQuery me! 05:33, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
일부 기사 SQL을 작성하거나 개선하십시오.우리는 드라마를 만들고 불필요하게 연장하기 위해 여기 있는 것이 아니라 백과사전을 만들려고 노력하고 있다.축하한다, 이 삭푸펫은 성공적으로 WP를 방어했다.THETRUT (불행히도 xe는 xyrs 계정에 로그인할 만큼 용감하지 않았다) 이제 우리는 넘어가야 한다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 05:29, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
...너만 편집 전쟁 중이었다.그 개념을 이해하지 못하십니까? --타라지(토크) 05:42, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
파티에 늦게 도착해서 멋진 사람들이 모두 다른 곳에 위치한 애프터 파티로 옮겨갔다는 것을 알게 되었을 때 느끼는 감정을 알고 있는가?키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:07, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
편집자가 경고했다.티데롤스 05:59, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
이미 경고받았어. 엄밀히 말하면 두 이나 경고받았어.SQLQuery me! 06:03, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
블록의 목적은 붕괴를 막기 위한 것이다.만약 편집자가 멈추면 나는 그들을 막지 않을 것이다.티데롤 06:08, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 경고 그만 올려줘, 사실 네가 내 토크 페이지에 글을 올릴 때마다 이메일이 와.타임머신은 아직 발명되지 않았고, 이것은 아마도 결코 발명되지 않을 것이라는 것을 의미할 것이다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 06:09, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
사용자 기본 설정에 불만이 있는 경우 사용자 기본 설정을 변경하십시오.티데롤 06:13, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 아니다.그건 내가 그들을 바꾸면 안 된다는 뜻인 것 같아, 그렇지?키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:16, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
다른 대안은 행동을 바꾸는 것이다.넌 아마 그렇게 하지 않을 것 같아. 어느 쪽이든...어쨌든, 이건 무의미해. --타라지 (대화) 06:35, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
네가 무슨 말을 하는지 모르겠지만, 나는 그것이 무의미하다는 것에 동의해.혹시 나를 다른 사람과 혼동한 건 아닐까?그럴 것 같다.걱정마, 난 여전히 널 사랑해.키호테틱 감자 (토크) 06:38, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
'사랑해' 게시물도 그만 두십시오.기껏해야 이것은 수동적인 공격이다.최악은 완전히 소름끼치는 일이다.닉-D (대화) 07:01, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
만약 당신이 "사랑해"라고 쓴 누군가가 수동적이거나 완전히 소름끼치는 것이 틀림없다고 가정한다면, 나는 정말로 그것에 대해 뭐라고 말해야 할지 모르겠다.키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 07:07, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
키호테틱 포테이토, 당신은 네 명의 다른 사용자들과 전쟁을 편집했다.만약 많은 사용자들이 당신에게 반대한다면, 당신이 여기서 잘못될 수도 있다는 것을 생각해 본 적이 있는가?옴니 불꽃let's talk about it 07:38, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 IP의 사용자 이름을 모른다. 나는 체크 유저가 아니다.xe의 의견이 인기가 없고, 의견이 다른 사람들/소수자들인 사람들을 옹호하는 사람들이 많지 않다는 것을 나는 미리 알고 있었다.나는 세계에서 가장 부유한 나라들 중 한 곳에서 태어난 곧은 남자다. 나는 무신론자다. 우리 가족은 여러 세대에 걸쳐 여기에 있어왔고, 사람들은 나를 "카우카시아인"이라고 묘사할 것이다.이 점을 염두에 두고 내 사용자 페이지를 읽어 보십시오.그것은 논쟁의 오류를 믿는 사람의 사용자 페이지처럼 보이니?키호테틱 포테이토 (토크) 07:43, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]

예수님, 반대표와 '크래트'가 파업할 수 있도록 코멘트를 남겨 두십시오.지금 맞으면 누가 시*t를 주느냐, 아니면 크랫만 할 수 있는데 닫으면 누가 시*t를 주느냐?ANI와 절름발이를 하고 파업 코멘트를 한다. --DHeyward (대화) 08:24, 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 나는 퀴호틱 포테이토스가 어쩐지 EW에서 면제되는 것인지, 혹은 그들이 무임승차하여 RFA에 그들의 의지를 부과할 수 있는지 몰랐다.DHeyward, 당신은 이것을 레임덕 편집 전쟁이라고 부를지 모르지만, 나는 이것을 단순 혼란, 차단 가능한 혼란이라고 부른다.드레이미스 (토크) 2016년 5월 23일 (UTC) 14:21[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 페이지 폴믹스 제거

윌리엄 사이에 나쁜 피가 흐르고 있다는 것은 어떤 비밀도 아닌 것 같다.JENytend.작년 11월에 나는 이 [95]와 이 [96]을 니튼드로부터 그것에 대해 접근한 후 삭제했다.여기서 토론: [97] [98] 및 기타 자세한 내용은 내 토크 페이지 [99] et seq를 참조하십시오.Nytend는 William에게 물었다.JE가 막혔어.나는 거절했고, 윌리엄으로부터 아무런 응답도 받지 않은 후제이와 스필브릭 1세가 WP에 따라 코멘트를 삭제했다.폴라믹.오늘 나는 다시 위일리암에 의해 [101] 11월에 추가된 내용을 지적한 니튼드[100]에게 접근하게 되었다.JE 그리고 윌리엄에게 물어봐JE가 막혔다.이 내용은 여호크만이 [102] 윌리엄에게 경고한 시기에 대해 추가되었다.Nyttend에 대한 그들의 행동에 대해 JE.나는 이 논평도 삭제했다.윌리엄[103] [104]에 대한 JE의 반응은 니텐드에 대한 지속적인 원한을 지나치게 과장된 표현으로, 허용 가능한 자극이나 분출의 범위를 훨씬 벗어난 것이다.윌리엄JE는 내가 아직 발견하지 못한 최근의 그들 사이의 어떤 상호작용에 대해 암시한다: 그들 사이에 오락가락한 역사와 지리적인 내용에 대한 편집-스토킹의 주장이 있다. 그러나 그것은 대체로 잦아들었던 나의 인상이었다.나는 최근에 아무것도 찾지 못했다.

나는 오랫동안 윌리엄을 걱정해왔다.JE가 원한을 품고 있어.그는 생산적인 편집장이고 나는 그가 이것을 그냥 놔둘 수 있으면 좋겠지만 몇 달마다 계속 올라온다.윌리엄에 대한 반감의 정도Nyttend 등에 반대하는 JE의 파트는 계속되는 우려의 원천이다.오늘 그가 내 토크 페이지에 올린 독설은 차단할 가치가 있지만, 나는 지금 보여지고 있는 강렬한 개인화된 태도를 감안할 때 이번 사건에서 지역사회의 합의가 요구된다고 생각한다.아크로테리온(토크) 02:41, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

나도 최근에 발견한 것은 없어.오늘, 나는 그가 나를 따라가는 것을 본 적이 있다고 생각했다: 나는 Special을 확인했다.기고/어느 이유로 니스엔드 (Nyttend) (William)가JE는 내가 방금 편집한 한 페이지를 편집했지만, 그의 다른 기고들에 대한 빠른 리뷰는 그가 관련 페이지들을 편집해왔다는 것을 보여주었고, 그것은 순전히 우연이었다.이것은 내게 사용자 페이지 극성을 생각나게 했다; 나는 그의 사용자 페이지를 보고 그의 사용자 페이지에 다시 한번 같은 종류의 콘텐츠가 있는 것을 보았다.위에서 논의된 모든 것이 나에 대한 그의 말에 대해 말하고 있다는 것을 주목하라; 그 차이점들은 윌리엄을 증명한다.JE는 최근 특별히 활동하지 않고 있는 오레이디(최근 한 해에만 22번 편집, 지난 한 달 동안 단 2번 편집, 그리고 2014년 중재 사건 시대 이후 편집하지 않은 위험판다에 대한 원한!자...이런 종류의 콘텐츠를 사용자 페이지에 올리면 제재는 전적으로 합리적이고, 확실한 경고로 내용을 삭제하는 것만으로도 자비롭다.몇 달 후 재포스팅을 할 때, 그리고 제재가 요구될 때, 당신은 같은 종류의 말을 계속 할 때, 당신은 경고에 대해 신경쓰지 않는다는 것과 자비가 정당화되지 않았다는 것을 증명했다.니텐드 (대화) 03:17, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

여기서 나온 증거만 보면: 모두 잠자는 개는 그냥 놔둬야 해.Nyttend는 11월에 만들어진 게시물에 대한 블록을 찾지 않아야 하며, 사용자:아크로테리온은 재미없을 거야내가 마지막으로 본 다른 두 유저에 대한 언급은 11월부터이며 그들에게 원한을 표시하지 않는다.최근의 상황은 니텐드와 아크로테리온이 그를 쿡쿡 찌르는 것에 대한 반응이다. - 자는 개를 눕히기를 거부하는 것을.그리고 윌리엄제이는 그 찌르는 소리에 친절하게 받아들이거나 침착하게 반응하지 않았다.제호크만, 당신이 알려달라고 한 호칭은 아니더라도 11월에 만들어진 기둥에 대해 무엇을 찾고 있는가?Jehchman은 "이제부터는 Nyttend와 전혀 교류하지 말아달라"고 경고했는데, 나는 그가 그것을 무시했다는 것을 보여주는 차이점이 보이지 않는다.나는 나이튼에 대한 비난들을 믿을 근거도 믿지 않을 근거도 없다; 나는 그들을 조사하지도 않았고 잠자는 개들이 거짓말을 하도록 내버려 둘 것이다. --Elvey(tc) 22:13, 2016년 5월 19일 (UTC)[응답]

내가 윌리엄을 막으려고 했다면JE 나는 지금쯤 그렇게 했을 것이고, 아무도 눈치채지 못하더라도 원한을 품고 사당을 유지하는 것은 괜찮다는 생각을 거부하며, 사당을 철거하는 것이 일단 눈에 띄면 그렇게 대응하는 것도 용납할 수 없다.그것은 세 명의 별도 관리자로부터 그러한 자료를 사용자 공간에 두지 말라는 직접적인 경고 후, 10월에 내가 제거한 것의 축소판으로 대체되었다.나는 니튼과 윌리엄 사이에 현재 어떠한 상호 작용 문제도 없다는 것에 동의한다.JE, 그리고 나는 그것이 계속되기를 바란다.하지만 나는 윌리엄이 걱정된다.엘비가 나를 "poking"이라고 부르는 것에 대한 JE의 반응은 참을 수 있는 분노를 훨씬 넘어선다: 그러한 종류의 diatribes는 결코 용납될 수 없다.그런 종류의 적개심은 그것이 반복되지 않도록 지역사회의 관심을 끌 필요가 있다.아크로테리온 (대화) 01:05, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
네 말 들려.가 말하고 싶은 것은 니튼이 11월에 만들어진 게시물에 대해 오늘 블록을 추구하지 말았어야 했다는 것이다. 그리고 사용자:아크로테리온이 접대하지 말았어야 했다.--Elvey(tc) 08:10, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
JMO는, 내가 다양한 시간에 양쪽 편집자와 소통해 왔듯이, 나는 미래의 반복적인 행동에 대한 차이의 보존이 어떤 경우에는, 적절한 것으로 유지되고 있다는 것을 지적하지 않을 수 없다.그렇긴 하지만, 나는 ibans나 편집자들 사이의 유사점들이 WP로 이어진다고 생각한다.미끼와 쿡쿡 찌르는 것, 그래서 내가 그들을 싫어하는 경향이 있는 거야.나는 우리가 ANI에 대한 공소시효가 필요하다고 생각한다; 만약 11월에 어떤 일이 일어났고 지금까지 아무도 눈치채지 못했다면, 그 때 그것이 적절한 차이점이 될 수 있는 적극적인 사례가 있기 전까지는 주목할 가치가 없다.하지만 지금은 아니다.솔직히, 비록 내가 "둘 다 잘못이 있다"는 것을 좋아하는 사람은 드물지만, 이 경우에는 두 사람에게 막대를 내려놓으라고 말해야 할 때라고 생각한다.몬타나베(talk) 01:23, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
나 역시 상호 작용 금지에 대한 믿음이 거의 없고, 두 가지 모두 그것을 떨어뜨리는 것은 스필브릭과 내가 두 편집자에게 주장해 온 어떤 효과와 함께, 나는 생각한다.내가 이 이야기를 꺼낸 이유 중 하나는 윌리엄이었다.JE가 최근 사건을 암시하고 있는 것은 내가 찾을 수 없었던 것이거나, 분명히 다른 사람이 아닌 것 같다.아마도 우리는 이것이 분노의 마지막 숨결이기를 바랄 수 있을 것이다.아크로테리온 (대화) 01:28, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 그럼 11월부터는 무시해도 되겠네지난 며칠간 아크로테리온의 토크 페이지에 나온 발언들에 대한 변명은 없을까?아크로테리온이 그런 댓글들을 블록 가치가 있다고 생각하는 게 잘못됐다고 말할 이유가 있을까?의 거짓말을 비난하는 이용자들을 용납하지 말고, 내 행동을 공포의 지배라고 해야 할 때다.NPA/Civil 시행을 시작할 시간이다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:36, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
(nb): 나는 내일 프로젝트 현장에 출장 중이고 대부분 24시간에서 36시간 동안 오프라인 상태가 될 것이기 때문에 더 이상의 입력은 없을 겁니다.아크로테리온 (대화) 01:54, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
위 니텐드는 또 다른 거짓말 편집자를 고발하는 편집자를 용납하지 말 것을 요구한다.그는 이것[105]과 이것[106]을 증거로 삼고 있다.첫 번째 글에는 "다른 행정관에게 거짓말을 해서 나를 차단시키겠다는 협박"이라고 쓰고, 두 번째 글에는 "그는 나를 차단하기 위해 기꺼이 거짓말을 했다"고 썼다.먼저 두 번째 성명을 발표합시다.그것은 Nyttend에 대해 다른 어떤 것도 아닌 첫 번째 것을 언급하고 있다.첫째로- 나는 거짓말 때문에 차단된 나에게 편지를 쓴다.그 진술에 대한 나의 근거는 무엇인가.여기 있어. 그리고 니튼드는 알고 있어. 왜냐하면 그건 내 User 페이지의 바로 그 부분에 있어서 그가 차단되기를 바랐기 때문이야.
그는 (107년)- "더구나 나에 대한 스토킹은 인정받지 못하며, 특히 과거에 나를 괴롭혔다는 이유로 차단된 적이 있기 때문에 제재 요청을 하게 될 것이다.그는 과거에 내가 그를 괴롭혔기 때문에 나에게 그를 괴롭혔다고 해서 차단될 것을 요구할 것이다.그것은 절대 사실이 아니며 니스텐드는 그것을 알고 있고 그는 그것을 내가 다시 차단되는 근거로 사용하겠다고 위협했다.오레이디는 여기서가 닉튼을 괴롭힌다고 말한 적이 없다고 말했고, 닉튼은 여기서 이렇게 말했다. "논리적 분리의 첫 단락을 친절하게 읽어보았어."A"나 "B"는 "A"를 의미하지 않고 "Harassment 또는 인신공격"은 "Harassment" 의미하지 않는다.
요컨대 닉튼은 자신이 사실이 아니라고 인정하는 이유로 나를 제재하겠다고 위협했다.그리고 그는 내가 거짓말쟁이라고 말하지 않았을 때 나를 비난한다.나는 그가 거짓말을 해서 나를 위협한다고 비난했다.니튼의 행동에 대해 좀 더 철저히 논의해야 할까?윌리엄, 진정 고소부가 지붕에 있는 거야?2016년 5월 21일 12시 47분 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 나는 엘비에게 동의하고 생후 6개월 이상의 블록을 요청한 니텐드를 가볍게 송어한다.니튼드는 더 잘 알아야 해블록의 목적은 계속되는 혼란을 막기 위한 것이며 6개월 동안 잠잠했던 상황은 그렇지 않다.

    윌리엄JE, 앞으로 좀 더 예의 바르게 할 수 있다면 도움이 될 거야.그렇게 해 주시겠습니까?만약 당신이 다른 편집자와 불만을 가지고 있다면, 당신은 그것들과 함께 공존해야 한다(가능한 한 그들의 길을 막지 않는 것이 좋은 계획이다), 또는 문제를 차분하게 이야기하려고 노력하라(중재가 도움이 될 수 있다)거나, 만약 당신이 문제를 사실적으로 설명하고 그것들을 다른 것으로 문서화하는 분쟁 해결을 추구하라.나는 당신 사이의 근본적인 문제가 무엇인지 모르니, 그것에 대해 논평할 수 없다.여기 있는 다른 사람들은 나보다 뒷이야기를 더 많이 알지도 몰라.

    "제한 통계"는 필요 없어 이미 "통계"가 너무 많아우리는 붕괴가 일어날 때는 대처하지만, 새로운 문제가 아니라는 것을 문서화하는 수단 외에는 고대사에 대해 땀을 흘리지 않는 상식적인 편집이 필요하다. 50.0.121.79 (대화) 04:35, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 50.0.121.79와 엘비, 이것은 단지 오래전에 편집된 것이 아니라 윌리엄에게 주어진 내용이라는 것을 명심하십시오.JE의 27시간 전까지만 해도 사용자 페이지.나는 단지 윌리엄에 의해 의도적으로 다시 추가된 확실한 증거로 6개월 동안의 편집을 연결했을 뿐이다.JE; 만약 문제가 있는 내용이 우연히 복원되거나 다른 사람에 의해 복원되었다면, 그 내용을 복구한 것에 대해 제재를 받는 것은 불합리할 것이다.더구나 이 실이 올라왔을 때 문제의 진술은 여전히 그의 사용자 페이지에 남아 있었다.몇 달 전부터 일회성 발언의 블록을 찾는 것과 몇 달 동안 문제가 되는 콘텐츠를 유지하는 블록을 찾는 것 사이에는 상당한 차이가 있는데, 특히 그 콘텐츠를 유지하는 일부가 "링"과 "테러의 보복"이라는 비난에 의해 중단되고 있는 경우 그렇다.만약 내가 틀렸다면, 사용자들이 왜 이런 종류의 콘텐츠를 사용자 페이지에 6개월 동안 보관할 수 있는지 설명하십시오.나이튼드 (대화) 04:55, 2016년 5월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
Nytend, yes, that post was there til recently but the offending edit was made in November. You're asking for two different responses: 1) revert the edit (apparently already done), and 2) block WilliamJE[110]. It's quite possible to consider them separately. #1 is fine and has been handled. #2 is blocking over some lame invective posted 6 months ago. That's a separate matter and isn't justified given how stale it is. I'm tired now but can try to look at the background a little more tomorrow if anyone thinks that might help. 50.0.121.79 (talk) 06:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the content (if it hasnt already) and enact an interaction ban. It shouldnt be a problem to Nyttend (as he is already using the correct method for dealing with someone like that, notifying an administrator) and it would prevent WilliamJE from using their page as a book of grudges. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I removed the material from WilliamJE's userpage, which is what precipitated the attack on Nyttend on my talkpage. I'm going to remove the attack there too. Consensus is plain that users can't keep stuff like that around in their userspace, and that WilliamJE is not exempt. If this happens again, community sanctions are appropriate. Acroterion (talk) 08:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DoneNyttend: Please don't interact with WilliamJE at all from now on. (Matches the extant "Please don't interact with Nyttend at all from now on.") --Elvey(tc) 08:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE: Struck in appropriate "Done" template: Elvey is not an admin and has no place giving orders. Softlavender (talk) 08:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]
Admins have no place giving orders either, now that you mention it. EEng 23:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nyttend: Really? Is there any excuse? You were already offered two explanations - firstly that the two of you poked him with a very untimely block threat - but you seem unwilling to hear it. And secondly that you did say "you have been blocked in the past for harassing me" to him, even though he offers a quote that (unless fabricated) make it clear to me that what you said wasn't true. (AFAIK, this goes unacknowledged by you.) It's good that you say you're willing to drop the stick and walk away (from the November stuff, at least.) Now, please actually do drop the stick and walk away! It would be good if you recognized that you should not have claimed that that diff mentioning those other two users from November demonstrated a grudge against them then, let alone now, rather than continuing to call for sanctions. It seems WilliamJE has wisely stayed away from this thread. You would do well to do as Acroterion, Sphilbrick and I have advocated and drop it.--Elvey(tc) 08:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that you consider your reaction if, months from now, you find that I have been since May maintaining fiercely critical comments on my userpage that disparage you for defending WilliamJE. Since you appear convinced that it's untimely to seek sanctions for maintaining such comments in userspace until the present, and convinced that I need a self-imposed interaction ban, I won't waste further time on digging up the diffs to answer your charges about edits that were made years ago, especially because edits from last November (which is much more recently than the comments you're bringing up) are too old to warrant any action. Nyttend (talk) 02:06, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would have thought maintaining meant periodically updating something etc. If I wrote an article last November and then it sat there untouched for 6 months, I wouldn't call that maintaining. Nyttend, I don't have any beef with you--I've seen you around here taking care of routine stuff competently as far as I could tell, but I never had strong or memorable impressions one way or the other (i.e. you'll have to work much harder if you really want to establish a reign of terror). This persistence isn't making you look good though.

FWIW: WilliamJE has engaged in a bit more discussion and posted some diffs on his user talk page. There is an unhealthy level of anger underlying them IMHO but they don't have the invective of those old posts from a while back. He's away til tomorrow and I'm away starting tomorrow, but it could be helpful if Elvey or someone else could continue talking with him. Maybe some of his issues can be worked out. FWIW, among his gripes is an old block log entry that he's still upset about. People do often resent those things pretty much forever. So Wikipedia bureaucracy screws up another one. 50.0.121.79 (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree; I think he should be left alone, and I take some blame for the result of (and already apologized for) poking him rather than leaving him alone. And I urge User:WilliamJE to remove the bulk of his reply to me. I'm glad that in his comment above he does not make an accusation of lying, but I'm not thrilled that it dredges up an old accusation of lying.
Nyttend I suggest you consider that the only reason you're not already blocked for still not dropping the stick and for this meritless "maintaining" claim .79 hs debunked may be that you're an admin; normal users are blocked for such behavior. I urge you to remove your meritless 'maintaining' attack. I suggest you consider whether your asking "Is there any excuse" was unwise. I think my response shows it was. You are digging yourself into more trouble. --Elvey(tc) 08:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images and text

User has added this image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antiochus_Hierax.jpg and text among others to wikipedia articles such as [111]

Images and text previously published here. They claim to own them but haven't sent OTRS permission yet. They claim the text is not copyrightable but I am not so sure. Thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

An OTRS ticket is required for any of the photos that were previously published elsewhere online. The thing to do is create a deletion discussion over at the Commons for these images. The best way to handle it is to list the photos at commons:Commons:Deletion requests, making a bulk request similar to this one. That way we can get them deleted in a timely fashion if he does not send a permission email to OTRS. If you need any help preparing this please let me know. For the prose, he says the same descriptions are used all over the Internet for these coins; that does not make the prose in the public domain and does not give us the right to reproduce it here. Someone is the original author, and they are the person who holds the copyright. I am going to post on his talk page and will remove any prose that he re-added. — Diannaa (talk) 14:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Return of Bigshowandkane64

Bigshowandkane64 (talkcontribsdeleted contribsnuke contribslogsfilter logblock userblock log) is back again, this time as MarioandLuigibrothers6412 (talkcontribsdeleted contribsnuke contribslogsfilter logblock userblock log) and 72.64.5.23 (talkcontribsdeleted contribsnuke contribslogsfilter logblock userblock log) on the Simple English Wikipedia and as 168.244.11.50 (talkcontribsdeleted contribsnuke contribslogsfilter logblock userblock log) on the English Wikipedia. He left a personal attack on my talk page over on the Simple English Wikipedia as well as continuing his brand of disruptive edits on Quinton Flynn ([112]) and on Spencer Fox ([113]). Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given the cross-wiki nature of the abuse, I've globally blocked the 72- IP and locked the account and a couple of sleepers. It's worth noting that not all of the edits are vandalism, so reverting on a case-by-case basis might be best unless they're banned. You could also start an SPI for them here and on simplewiki. Ajraddatz (talk) 01:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bigshowandkane64 is banned from the English Wikipedia, actually. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure. I've struck that part of my comment. Ajraddatz (talk) 02:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And now he's returned as 23.25.251.177 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (the IP geolocates to New Hampshire as with BSK64's other IPs). Not good. I've reverted his edits per WP:BAN, since bans apply to all edits good or bad. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic ip breaching blp

2602:306:CF91:4110:512A:A890:58B8:7FA9 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Anonymous user has been making poorly sourced edits to articles (including Emma Bunton (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views) for the past several days. This is a typical example. Attempts have been made to explain to them our BLP policy, but without success. This is Paul (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the IP had been notified. Now done so. Eagleash (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I forgot to do that. This is Paul (talk) 16:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat inevitably they blanked the page. Eagleash (talk) 17:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tell me about it. This is Paul (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since some disruption is already happening in the article for several days, I semi-protected it for a week.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:10, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Block review: User:Lop12345

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Per WP:NOTHERE, this users' block should definitely be increased to indefinite. 172.58.40.86 (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, we should definitely make it indefinite. EEng 01:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SIGFORGE Violation

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Dr. Blofeld is impersonating me on his own talkpage, in an attempt to ridicule me. This is a clear violation of WP:SIGFORGE.--Catlemur (talk) 08:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it and warned him not to do it again. Given the current ongoing issues between you two, I suggest backing away and taking a break from Blofeld-related editing. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Catlemur, you started a ridiculous COI discussion about him, and you started this ANI discussion without any attempt to discuss this with Dr. Blofeld first. "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please consider discussing the issue with them on their user talk page." is stated at the top of this page for a reason. While he shouldn't have made that edit, your actions are a lot more problematic than his at the moment. You could have considered apologizing for your misguided COI report and then asking him to remove the sigforge section instead of running to ANI. Fram (talk) 08:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Catlemur, in case my comments at COIN weren't clear enough, if you keep this up you're likely to be on the receiving end of an indefblock for harassment. Was Dr. Blofeld technically in breach of policy? Yes. Was it a reaction to extreme provocation of a particularly spiteful and unpleasant kind? Yes. Nobody is going to take any action against him in this context; it would take the patience of a saint not to snap at you. ‑ Iridescent 08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruptive edits by User:Biresh Yadav

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सिरिसिया means Sirisiya and such page exists. hi:सिरिसिया also exists. Xx236 (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Also keeps not using English and Removal of speedy tags. Clubjustin Talkosphere 10:44, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ummm.... It is customary/compulsory to
  1. Mention the editor you are complaining about by name (do not assume others are proficient mindreaders),
  2. Provide diffs to the transgressions of said editor (do not assume others will investigate for you), and
  3. Notify that editor of a discussion taking place here (required).
Kleuske (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified him.
Not for me, he doesn't attack me, he writes Hindi and removes speedy delete template, he doesn't explain his actions.Xx236 (talk) 11:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. I only looked at the bottom of the talk-page. WP:CIR does seem to apply, although most of his edits are in english (sort of) [114], [115], etc, it's probably not his first language and he seems to lack proficiency. Kleuske (talk) 11:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User continues to recreate inappropriate articles. I have blocked the editor indefinitely and left a note for the editor. Hopefully this is enough to get the message across. --Yamla (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Chipmunkdavis and User:Herman Jaka disruptive rollbacks/undo on Kuala Lumpur's Global and Regional Rankings

Section added as a new AN/I section by Escravoes, I have combined it with the above already existing section. CMD (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chipmunkdavis had rollbacked several times my ranking of Kuala Lumpur while Herman Jaka had reverted them on several occassion and I had mentioned the incidents in their talkpages. I believed that the rankings (sourced credibily from Reuters, Tripadvisor, Huffington Post, Chapman University and several leading Malaysian news media not only helped improved the article but also provided unbiased NPOV views to the article. I would appreciate if the deletions and rollbacks by Chipmunkdavis and Herman Jaka can be looked into.Escravoes (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article in qustions is - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kuala_Lumpur&diff=next&oldid=721461804

(Note to administrators) This user have been explained here for the issues he involved. Herman Jaka (talk) 03:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Note to administrators) I had replied to Herman Jaka here on his issues with my comments. Escravoes (talk) 04:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(non-admin comment): I've tidied up the links to the users, so they point to the userpages rather than non-existent article space articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edited Escravoes' latest link so it points to the page he means. This is a content dispute at the moment, so probably doesn't belong here. For the record I have not used rollback here, but standard undo functions. CMD (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rebuttals to CMDUser:Chipmunkdavis, which part of the content in Kuala Lumpur "Global and Regional Rankings" are you disputing? My opinion is that your "dispute" is due to your personal POV due to your personal dislike and your of lack of neutrality on the views. It would have been more constructive if you had specify those points that you disputed rather than engaged in persistent undos. I fully agreed that this AN/I is NOT for content dispute, but the matter was brought here to report persistent vandalism by you and User:Herman Jaka, which constituted vandalism and hence highly disruptive. User:Herman Jaka had already been reprimanded by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and 142.105.159.60 in which they had proposed that User:Herman Jaka be boomerang by the administrators. Whether you used rollbacks/undos, the effects are the similar - they are extremely disruptive to wiki content development.Escravoes (talk) 19:06, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User with low English level apparently misinterpreting others and failing to AGF

I don't want to see this result in a block as I'm still thinking this is at least in part a good-faith misunderstanding, but the following doesn't seem appropriate for a user who has apparently been here on and off for close to seven years:

It's obvious that this is at least partly to be blamed on Pldx1's insufficient level of English, and perhaps he/she would not be assuming bad faith on my part (and the part of the other contributors to the MOS:KOREA RFC) if he actually read and understood what we had written. I don't know how this is usually dealt with. I have come in conflict with users with poor English before, but in that case I could communicate with them in their native language and the problem was clearly not simply his/her poor English. In this case I'm inclined to think mentoring would be a better idea, but I am not in a position to do so at the moment even if Pldx1 were amenable to the idea, and I wonder whether a user who can't understand others' talk page comments but immediately assumes the worst is more of a liability than an asset.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 14:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When I have seen User:Hijiri88 using Talk:List_of_rulers_of_Ife to describe how he dislikes any contradiction about Korean topics, I have been slightly surprised: Ife is a Nigerian town, not a Korean one. When I have seen User:Hijiri88 using my own talk page to lecture me about blocks and so on, I have looked at his own block history and, maybe, I have not been so surprised. The next step seems to be somewhere between snow and a boomerang effect (I am quite sure that this is the right English wording, but I am open to any constructive criticism). Pldx1 (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above is a perfect example of Pldx1's inscrutability and apparent assumption of bad faith. Not only have not used that page to "describe how I dislike any contradiction about Korean topics", the page has nothing whatsoever to do with Korea! He appears to have learned the word "lecture" from me within the last 24 hours, but "lecturing about blocks and so on" is a pretty bad description of this. And yet again he has made an obscure reference to WP:SNOW that doesn't appear to be the way that word is used on English Wikipedia. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That List of rulers of Ife is certainly an indecipherable mess. Looks like an exercise in original research and synthesis, with a lot of talk-like commentary mixed into the article. Pldx1 pretty much created it in its current form, and it's unlikely that he or anyone else will be able to fix it. I'd call it hopeless and move on. Dicklyon (talk) 00:19, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looking at your block log isn't opposition research. Throwing it in your face is rude, I'll grant that, but it's incorrect to describe it as opposition research in the same vein as googling someone's username and finding out things they've said in other fora, or even so far as trolling through someone's every contribution to find some cherrypicked diff to throw in their face. Also, the problem with List of rulers of Ife is related to the recent Wikicology arbitration case. Pldx1's research was important there, and his work on List of rulers of Ife appears to be an attempt—albeit imperfect—to merge Ooni of Ife into that page, as well as rectify the problems that Pldx1 discovered. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 00:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mendaliv: If you check the wikilink, I didn't describe it as "opposition research in the same vein as googling someone's username"; I described it as "opposition research in the same vein as checking the logs with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor". :P
Throwing it in my face was rude and off-topic. The fact that I was blocked twice in 2013 because Drmies didn't know how to enforce a two-way IBAN (he apologized almost immediately thereafter and admitted the block was inappropriate) and David Fuchs considered a good-faith edit accidentally made while still logged into a main account with email privileges rather than a declared alternate account with no email address attached to it worthy of an indefinite block under that unique set of circumstances (he didn't protest when another non-CU admin unblocked me immediately thereafter), or that I was blocked a few weeks and quickly unblocked on appeal because a significant number of admins considered the block to be unnecessary, is entirely irrelevant to my capacity to tell Pldx1 that his/her behaviour is inappropriate and may lead to blocks if he/she doesn't reform. Throwing my (mostly very old) block log in my face is just an indication that he/she may be unwilling to reform. There is also the problem that due to various sanctions I am unable to defend myself against attacks like that without risking being blocked again. Attacking someone who can't defend themselves is the worst, although I'll admit that Pldx1 probably didn't go so far as to check whether the IBAN in question was still in place.
The fact that Wikicology messed up a bunch of articles does not mean we should turn to diligent (and probably good-faith) but equally incapable editors to fix the problem.
AGF is good, but when we have to assume poor proficiency in English, poor research skills and (after seven years!) just plain not understanding Wikipedia's PAG, that actually isn't much better than the conclusion that he/she is being disruptive on purpose. I kept direct commentary to a minimum during the Wikicology case because I was blown away by what had happened, but I did read through the entire ANI thread before the ArbCom case, and went through the entire final decision after it had been completed (I even cited it in a related discussion). Giving Pldx1 a free pass because he/she was critical of Wikicology earlier is like crediting the pot for calling the kettle black.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see now that you linked to WP:HOUND. My understanding has usually been that the phrase "opposition research" on Wikipedia refers to WP:OUTING (in fact, that's the only place that the phrase occurs in WP:HARASSMENT). I respectfully disagree that throwing your block log up in your face should be considered Wikihounding, let alone outing. It's rude, and that's all. The rest of what you point out above is, honestly, minor. I don't see any of the deceitful, troublesome, POV-pushing character in any of the diffs you've provided. At worst, Pldx1 is trying to use incisive wit in a dispute, which is coming out as sarcasm. That isn't necessarily a bad thing either. The English issue is obviously a problem, but I don't see it as insurmountable. What I see here is a MOS dispute that involves an aspect of Korean history. MOS disputes and recent Korean history are individually very polarized and polarizing subject areas, and combined it's no different. It's possible that if Pldx1's argumentation is sufficiently disruptive, some sanction may lie under the WP:ARBATC discretionary sanctions. But I'm not seeing it at this point to be honest. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 19:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Wit"? If what he has been doing is deliberate, then this is a serious breach of CIVIL if nothing else. More likely, though, he does seriously think the clean-up template I placed has something to do with Korea, and he does think that the rest of the commenters in the MOS RFC are part of some grand northern conspiracy. Literally every time I have replied to him I pointed out that my rationale is based on English-language reliable sources, but he keeps beating the "Wikipedia should not be siding with North Korea" drum. I hate to think what will happen when the result inevitably doesn't go his way -- if I try to implement my proposal it looks like I'll almost certainly get reverted. Hijiri 88 (やや) 21:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Although I do see your points. Both MOS and Korean history are firepits. I was frankly a little surprised that Pldx1 was the only one to show up and accuse me of being a North Korean spy. Face-wink.svg I guess it might be worth just waiting the MOS discussion out and seeing if the disruption continues afterward. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first thing to do when writing an article is to collect sources, compare them, and see if they are compatible or not. This has been done at List of rulers of Ife. If anyone wants to make a better use of these sources, then be bold, you are welcome. Side remark: Administrators noticeboard incidents is not about the articles themselves. And now, let us look at behaviors. Wikipedia is a wiki. The existence of an history mechanism is a key feature of the regulation process. When seeing the last reply of User:Hijiri88, at the top of this whole mess, it is only but natural to look again at blocks of Hijiri88. The keyword that appears is BATTLEGROUND. Everybody can see, just above, «he [Pldx1] keeps beating the "Wikipedia should not be siding with North Korea" drum» (obviously without any references). Everybody can read Talk:List_of_rulers_of_Ife (this is short) and have her own opinion. Everybody can read Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Korea-related_articles#RfC:_Which_romanization_system_should_be_used_for_pre-division_Korean_topics.3F (this is longer) and have her own opinion. Let us give nevertheless two quotes from Hijiri88 in the later discussion:
  • Sentence "we should use the official South Korean romanization for all Korea-related topics because South Korea is better than North Korea" is stated between quotation marks, as if this was a quotation from someone before in the discussion.
  • WP:KOREA members (many of whom have fairly poor English skills and have written a large number of very messy articles)
This gives the impression that User:Hijiri88 has a poor proficiency of cooperative mind. Once again, the next step seems to be somewhere between snow and a boomerang effect. Pldx1 (talk) 08:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not need to cite "references" to say that every single comment you have made on the MOS:KOREA RfC has beaten the North Korea drum -- I linked the thread itself, and anyone can read your comments for themselves, and they will see that what I say is true.
  • I never said you were talking about North Korea on Talk:List of rulers of Ife. This is just you putting words in my mouth. Kindly stop doing that. In fact, I didn't even know we had been talking about Korea at all until after you posted in this ANI thread.
  • When you take my statement of a general position apparently supported by you that I placed in quotes for grammatical reasons and did not imply it was a direct quotation, you are wikilawyering based on a technicality.
  • It is an indisputable fact that articles in the WP:KOREA area are messy as a general rule and far below the English Wikipedia average. My stating this fact has nothing whatsoever to say about my "cooperative mind".
  • In case it wasn't clear from what I wrote on your talk page, I want you to stop pinging me.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 09:06, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(non-admin comment) Once again I come across Nationalism being pushed, in some form or another, by one or even all involved, on articles specifically relating to, or even just part of the larger body of work, that is in relation to Conflict zones by Non-Native English speakers on the English WIki. Where as I can see peoples of these regions of the world being of invaluable help to building an Encyclopaedia, if they do not have an extremely High Level of Proficiency in the written and spoken word of the English language, it once again has become a problem on an article. Translation programs are not sufficient enough yet in getting the points across. I think some mentoring for Pldx1 is the most useful course personally, and yes it was rude to throw a block log in someone's face, but this is not an offence really. Nürö G'DÄŸ MÄTË 23:15, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion/Vandalism only account User:प्रशान्त पाण्डेय

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User:प्रशान्त पाण्डेय is spamming Wikipedia with misleading data and sometimes replacing www.barb.co.uk with with www.barc.co.in, an Indian company website with a edit summary Fixed grammar such as [124], [125], [126], [127], [128] and many many more!--Aisonajulk chat 15:47, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are required to notify the editor of this discussion. I've done that for you. Katietalk 19:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I blocked them for 72h for vandalism. This is not vandalism-only account, they also seem to have good edits.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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IP-hopping edit warrior

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These are the latest active IP's of an edit warrior who's active on Israel and Palestine related articles. Edits are stuff like switching mentions of Palestine with Israel, etc. User has a history of these kinds of edits on these articles, so it might be a good idea to semi-protect these articles as the user seems to hop between IP's. Eik Corell (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which articles? There are hundreds (thousands?) of Israel and Palestine-related articles. LizRead! Talk! 18:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Check the contributions list of those two IP's, and of their earlier sock Anti-Śemites blown to smitherines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The articles edited by the IP's above seem to be their primary focus, though. There is another report here on this user, I'll look through the archives for it. Eik Corell (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Easier to place a /64 range block if this person is editing disruptively. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And that's just what I did. 2604:2000:F20E:2800::/64 blocked two weeks for disruption. If it is block evasion and he returns, I'd be willing to block as long as three months. Katietalk 19:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just for posterity, I found the last AN/I report here. What a mess. Eik Corell (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Template edit needed post TfD closure

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The locked {{missing information}} needs the {{tfd}} removing from it now that the discussion has been closed - Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 May 20. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Katietalk 14:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threat on 3RR noticeboard?

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Here: [129] Mike1901 (talk) 14:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Definite legal threat. And libellous as well. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. I've blocked indef (simply because I wasn't sure what duration would be appropriate), and will amend the duration as needed. I haven't looked at the underlying issue, though it seems that the IP has some pretty strong feelings on the matter. The IP also appears to be edit warring at University of Buckingham. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The block is correct. We block indefinitely until they retract their threats and are satisfied that it won't continue. It is really the only duration for these cases. Some effort should be taken to consider the validity of their concerns. HighInBC 14:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't indefintely block IPs. The duration should be reduced.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are of course correct, I was thinking it was a user at the time. I stand corrected. HighInBC 16:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No objection, as soon as someone tells me what to reduce it to. This isn't a drive by, I can adjust it as necessary. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The precise duration is discretionary. If it were my block, I would reduce it to one month, which is approximately the amount of time this person has been using the IP.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just tweaked it to 1 year: Long enough to eliminate the problem, but not so long as to catch an innocent when the IP inevitably gets reset. --Jayron32 15:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Edit warring and uncited speculation by IP

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Today, User:66.185.43.66 added material to Railway engines (Thomas & Friends) indicating a character "may" be returning [130]. I reverted the addition as uncited speculation [131]. I was reverted by the IP [132]. I then placed a {{uw-unsourced2}} warning on the IP's talk page [133], and reverted the re-addition of the uncited content [134]. The IP ignored the warning, and restored the uncited content again [135] using an insulting edit summary. I've placed edit warring notices and a {{uw-npa3}} warning on the IP's talk page. Other eyes, please. IP has been informed of this thread. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Hammersoft: The user will probably soon be blocked for harassment, as seen in his edit summaries. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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IP editor on Eric Fanning

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An IP editor, apparently the same person working from 128.103.150.72 and 65.112.10.181 and 70.192.0.242, has several times named Fanning's domestic partner, though we have no citation for more than a boyfriend. Diffs here and here and here. There has been discussion on the Talk page and appropriate info has been added to the body of Fanning's WP entry as you can see in this diff. The entry is BLP. The editor's comments suggest that further discussion is fruitless, notably "Google it. I'll edit this each time you take it down. I am inclined to cite "I don't give a fuck"." Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Caucasianium

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Account which avoids discussion, violates WP:NPA instead, continues edit-warring and is possibly a sock puppet of User:SmartXT. I don't know where to report this best. Also the article Criminal case Lisa F. should be blocked for new/IP users. I wrote on his talk page, wanted to discuss with him, but was insulted only.--Gerry1214 (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know whether they are a sock or not (likely they are), but they are clearly WP:NOTTHERE, therefore blocked for an indefinite duration.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the quick reaction.--Gerry1214 (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Another legal threat...

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Here: [136] (seem to be attracting them today for some reason....) Mike1901 (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked. I will message the blocked user. --Yamla (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sockpuppet of Alec Smithson

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Alec Smithson is a long-term disruptive editor indeffed here and, since 23 January 2016, globally locked on Meta. There's now a blatant sockpuppet, Prof.John Fox, active on several wiki projects, already blocked for that reason on fr.wp and pt.wp. I've asked the Meta steward who blocked Smithson, M7, to take action. Meanwhile, can the sock be indeffed here and his few edits nuked? In case anyone needs evidence, the overlap with the master is patently obvious in global edits: House of Natoli, Salvatore Garau, Carlo Bazzi, Fernando Carcupino, Francesco Filippini – all Smithson specials. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have you asked a local CheckUser to look at the account? They'd probably be equipped to see if this is another sock. You could always open an WP:SPI --Cameron11598(Talk) 00:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The account is technically Likely to Music10-user. I've blocked the account. Best, Mike VTalk 01:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Best course of action...

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A group of editors would like to add various accusations and disparagements to the Katie Couric BLP for a documentary film with which she was involved. It's a recent news story just a few hours old, and news sources say the outrage at Couric, a popular whipping-post for conservatives, is misdirected. What I thought was a bunch of editors now appears to be all the same person based on previous article edits in common: Mike2A-MD (talk · contribs) → Jbusch8899 (talk · contribs) → 70.161.253.34 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)70.106.236.19 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)...

Should I file a 3RR report (combined, they have already exceeded 3 reverts). Should I file an SPI report (they already fail the 'Duck Test' miserably)? Should I ask to have the page protected? Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest that this matter be put on hold temporarily, as the article has been protected for the short-term. Xenophrenic (talk) 04:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threats by IP editor

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I don't really know what (if anything) should be done about this, so just raising it here. User:2001:558:600A:83:6038:EDC9:C7AA:DB8C says Wikipedia should be sued in this revision: [137]. Notifying on their talk page. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) I'm guessing an administrator will probably hand out a block for WP:NLT --Cameron11598(Talk) 08:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I tagged them with the {{uw-nlt}} template--Cameron11598 (Talk) 08:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Range block requested for LTA vandal

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I previously requested a range block on this vandal earlier this month. After a period of inactivity, the vandal has resumed activity on a new range, 107.77.196.0/24. It's fairly easy to recognize this vandal: on animated films, the composer is usually changed to James Horner and one of these actors is added to the cast list. These are obviously hoax credits.

Here are a few disruptive IP editors I've found on this range who fit the LTA profile:

Existing range blocks are listed here, along with some more info. Thanks. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've anon blocked 107.77.196.0/24 for a month. Mike VTalk 17:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Admin User:JzG refusing to comply with WP:NFCC#9

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Admin JzG (talk · contribs) keeps restoring the page User talk:JzG to policy-violating status despite being warned not to do so, see Special:Diff/721213078 and Special:Diff/721039098. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A pic of himself, on his bike. Pedantic much? -Roxy the dog™woof 11:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NFCC#9 says that no non-free images may be used in the user talk namespace. This includes non-free images of the uploader. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What's the issue with the first one? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 11:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first diff was to show he was warned. BethNaught (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Templating a long-standing user as if he were a newbie is not the wisest approach. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
JzG is unambiguously in the wrong and the image should be removed from his user talk page. BethNaught (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And the OP is unambiguously in the wrong for violating Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. If you treat an established editor like a jerk, you can expect to be treated the same way. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DTTR is an essay, not a policy with legal considerations. I'm not contesting that Stefan handles these matters in the most delicate way and I have criticised him for his methods in the past. But JzG is still wrong. BethNaught (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You contradict yourself. You're talking here about "legal considerations", and below you're saying it's not about legalities. Also, the OP was screwing around with the subject's talk page, which is likewise not collegial behavior. Maybe the OP should be put on ice for a while to think about things. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:USER#Non-free images: Non-free images found on [...] user talk pages) will be removed [...] without warning. Unfortunately, I seem to be more or less the only one fixing WP:NFCC#9 violations, and it would need more users in the area if we also want warnings to users. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one is forcing you to do this work. If you don't like the work (which your attitude suggests), maybe you could switch your focus to something else that needs work. Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates for example. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I tried. Meh. -Roxy the dog™ woof 11:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems overly pedantic since the photo is in use at Velo Vision. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, the OP here tagged an 11-year-old picture File:Triplet-empty.jpg which the subject of the complaint says he took himself. Is OP's hassling of JzG a recent phenomenon, or do they have some history? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Naa Stefan does lots of work enforcing NFCC regs (sometimes I think the only person). The first picture (just the bike) *was* marked incorrectly so I suspect it flagged up. That has now been fixed. The second picture technically violates NFCC 9, but given its in use as NF pic on an article, it seems unlikely any attempt to take legal action over its use (the primary reason for the NFCC regs) at JzG's talkpage would get anywhere, and overly strict enforcement. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not about whether we would get sued. It's about principles: we are a free encyclopaedia. We only use non-free content for limited uses when it has in particular an important educational purpose. Talk page chat is not that. BethNaught (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • What the OP needed to do, instead of being a jerk, is to ask the admin to put a colon after the two left square brackets. Templating an admin over a 10 year old magazine cover, and having ignored your advice in the past, suggests the OP ought to find something else to do. Such as reading about what happened to Betacommand, who behaved in a similar way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't Betacommand. The OP has had a registered account since 2006. --Jayron32 13:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't rule out it being a sleeper account. No way to test for it technically, so behavior is all we have to go on. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 14:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no. You would more likely be a sleeper account for me. I could explain how patently ridiculous it is that one could think this was Betacommand based on the edit history (not taking into account the behavior, which has a similar intersection of abuse and image copyright compulsion). But no, there's simply no way. Betacommand, for all his foibles, never planned to be banned, and didn't create clean sleeper accounts he kept using continuously for six years in parallel to his main account on the off chance someone would eventually ban him. Just no. --Jayron32 15:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, fine. Then what is it about that (voluntary) job that seems to bring out the worst in those doing that work? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If he's actually in the thing, wouldn't that be grounds for free use? Just out of curiosity. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 12:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, subjects of photographs almost never have any copyright or usage rights. (To do that they usually have to have some sort of contract with the photographer) Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There was me looking for an excuse to bin the wedding photos! Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 12:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Check your wedding photo contract. Wedding photos are one of the exceptions as they are generally work-for-hire. The current standard is for the photographer to retain copyright for a set period of time at which point it either reverts to the subject or they (subject) gain unlimited usage/repro rights. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The image shouldn't be on the talkpage, but Stefan2 do you see how you created/escalated the situation you're complaining about? Let's see:

  1. Looking at File:Triplet-empty.jpg, you must have realized that: (i) JzG had probably uploaded his own photo; and (ii) that it was uploaded more than 10 years ago, when the requirements about image info were less strict.
  2. You could just have dropped a friendly note at JzG's talkpage asking him if it was his own photo and offering to update the information for him if so.
  3. Can you see why the use of the template probably rubbed him up the wrong way? I appreciate the work you do with images, but a lot of users cite this sort of thing as one of the reasons they find Wikipedia an unfriendly/uncollegial place these days.
  4. Then, when the unfree cover photo was used, your response was this. Again, can you see why that got a negative response compared to leaving a polite notice flagging up the issue?
  5. You then edit warred, left a templated warning and promptly started this threat within a 16 minute period.

Now, I'm not saying JzG is right and I don't countenance separate rules for long-standing users and/or admins (NFCC applies to everyone). This a storm in a teacup, but it's one that you started and one you should have de-escalated. Sometimes a softer more measured approach gets better results. WJBscribe (talk) 12:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a picture of me, riding my bike, a bikethat people commented on on my talk page, with my son on the rear seat, taken by Peter Eland, then-editor of Velo Vision at a meet at Salt Aire, and supplied to me by Peter at my request. I put it on my talk page as part of the ephemeral discussion about the image. Frankly, I found Stefan's actions here to be little short of trolling. This is indeed a perfect example of the way Wikipedia policies can be actively hostile even to people who have been here a long time. And we keep changing the rules and demanding new shrubberies. File:Richard-stilgoe.jpg was released to me entirely properly, ten years later I am told I must now submit the email to OTRS, but I no longer have the email because I don't keep absolutely every email I ever received, so it's deleted. No wonder people leave. Commons is worse. Somebody tried to nuke commons:File:Gallery 15233 2536 180213.jpg because they didn't spot that my name (which I state openly) matches the name of the uploader on another site where I also shared it. Yes, I know the copyright rules are there for a reason, but FFS we really do go out of our way to make it as difficult as possible to keep anything uploaded, however unambiguous the permissions might be. Guy(Help!) 13:09, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might mean Saltaire in West Yorkshire? My stomping ground as a teenager.DrChrissy (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you delete your evidence that you have permission, then your ability to use the image depends entirely on the copyright holder as courts tend to rule in favour of the copyright holder if the licensee can't prove that he has permission to use the image. In the case of File:Richard-stilgoe.jpg, also see c:COM:GOF - this was uploaded before 8 January 2006 according to the logs. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for proving my point. Excessively legalistic interpretation of the rules based on a hypothetical challenge that will not happen because the release was provided. Ditto with the bike: just because you don't know the identity of the rights owner doesn't mean that I don't, as the uploader. Excessively legalistic interpretation of rules that constantly ratchet towards an achievable asymptote comes across as arbitrary demands for shrubberies. And your response here indicates that either you don't care or (worse) it's deliberate. I am done with you. I never want to interact with you again, ever. That puts you on a list of about three people in my entire ten year history on Wikipedia. Think about that for a moment. Guy (Help!) 15:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Guy: Do you think Peter Eland would agree to freely license the picture? Since he took the photo, I am assuming he is the original copyright holder. If he agreed to do that, then it would not be subject to the NFCC. Otherwise, I do not see any way to write a valid non-free use rationale for the usage on your talk page which is something required by WP:NFCC#10c. As pointed out the file is currently being used in the Velo Vision article, and it does have a rationale for that particular usage. That stub, however, has been tagged with ref improve since 2009. If by chance it is someday deleted, the justification for the non-free usage of the file will be gone, which means it will probably be deleted per WP:F5. As a freely licensed file, on the other hand, it could stay on your user talk page for as long as you like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Admins are expected to follow policy, in particular when the specific policy is mentioned in the edit summary, but I guess it could have been handled in a better way... --Stefan2 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Stefan2 in the real world, you pick your battles. Dealing with other editors in Wikipedia is the real world. Do you understand that doing stuff like this squanders your credibility in the community? Are you hearing what people are saying to you in this thread? Those are real questions... please do answer. Jytdog (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fwiw Guy seems to know the person who runs the magazine. His edit note here when he removed the first warning that Stefan placed says: "My talk page, my bike, me riding it. Ask Peter Eland if you want evidence of permission for this". (see Velo Vision for who Peter Eland is.) The legal risks to WP are nothing here. This is drama that wastes everyone's time and accomplishes precisely nothing. A little IAR in this particular situation would have been the clueful thing to do. Jytdog (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is it possible that the OP is a long-standing sleeper account of Betacommand? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) Files with {{non-free with permission}} may not be used on user pagesas they are non-free. --Stefan2 (talk)
      • What part of that rule permits you to treat the user like a jerk? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:01, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just my two cents, but the policy seems pretty straightforward. Maybe it should be changed, and that's a fine discussion to have, but as it stands, it seems like a pretty clear violation. Stephan could probably use a little more tact, which is also a fine discussion to have, but is a bit of a separate issue. Overall, it seems like the "they're an admin" or "I know the guy" arguments as defenses are pretty wobbly precedents to set. TimothyJosephWood 13:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's hard to believe that of all the brazillions of images in Wikipedia, that this ten year old magazine cover is the worst offender. The OP here needs to stop behaving like Betacommand, or he's liable to be likewise banished from Wikipedia. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'm not sure whether or not it is the worst offender is particularly relevant. TimothyJosephWood 13:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
              • So, is it a personal vendetta? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                • No idea. But I do think a boomerang and whether the image should be on a talk page are separate issues. And on that note, I'm going to try to do something productive. TimothyJosephWood 13:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                  • The question is, is the image free to use. Simple as that. The answer is no, it's not so it should not be on the page, regardless if the user knows the person or is an admin. If the user knows the person, then get a waiver or something. But whether we agree with it or not, we, and admins especially, need to follow Wikipedia guidelines. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                • Actually, Bugs, when I used to do NFCC#9 cleanup many moons ago (and it is indeed a thankless task, and errors are certainly not limited to newbie editors either), I had a script which produced a report of all the non-free images outside articlespace. I presume Stefan is using the same sort of thing, so it is unlikely to be a personal vendetta. Black Kite (talk) 14:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                  Would you have treated the editor the way the OP has done? I rather doubt it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Yes, Stefan you are technically correct.
  2. No, Stefan the way you went about dealing with this is not acceptable. A comment out, then a template to a 10 year veteran, then straight to AN/I is not the way to deal with things.
  3. Yes Stefan no non-free images should be used on talk pages.
  4. No Stefan, there is no conceivable real-world implication of this picture appearing there, so AN/I really isn't the place for this.
  5. Yes Stefan it would be nicer to see more people involved in dealing with fair-use on WP
  6. No Stefan, people are not going to be attracted to this thankless task when they see how bureaucratic other editors can be about these things.

Fenix down (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Betacommand often acted like a jerk, but the thing about him that really used to annoy the people that he came into conflict with was that, 95% of the time, he was right and they were wrong. Black Kite (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Black Kite, "right" according only to the most extreme interpretation of the non-free policy. It wastes a lot of time and he does seem to hound people. Whether it really is targeted hounding, or whether he's doing the same to lots of people, I can't tell, but it's depressing to have to spend time addressing positions that lack all common sense. SarahSV (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Selection Birkenau ramp.jpg, the error was that the uploader hadn't provided evidence that the copyright had expired in both the United States and a source country. Necessary (but not in themselves sufficient) conditions for this are that a) the photo has been published somewhere with consent from the photographer (as there is no situation under c:COM:HIRTLE where an unpublished German work from the 1940s can be in the public domain in the United States), and b) the photo hasn't bee published with consent from the photographer (as the photograph otherwise would hit the 70 years from publication rule in {{Anonymous-EU}} instead of the 70 years from creation rule, and the photo remained unknown to the public for several years). Since the uploader hadn't proven that a) and b) both were true, the file was nominated for deletion. But I'm not sure why you are bringing this up here. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a lot of shooting the messenger going on here and it's a bit disturbing. Who's going to want to be a messenger if they get shot like this? Everyone seems to agree that the OP is correct with policy. If you're mad at the policy, do something about the policy, right? But don't shoot the person enforcing the policy..68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem that a lot of editors forget is that NFC is as critical to maintain as BLP, in the eyes of the WMF; it, BLP, and copyvios are the only content policies that have WMF mandates. There are lots of grey areas of where NFC can be used, yes, but there are also a lot of bright lines that must be met as well, and we're supposed to deal with NFC that fall over those bright lines rigorously per the WMF. We need to be 100% sure on copyright ownership before declaring what might be a non-free image as uncopyrightable or PD, and so in a situation like the above, Stefan has every right to question the nature of the copyright chain of custody. They might be wrong, sure, and appear to have been wrong in this case, but as long as they drop the stick w.r.t. that set of images, that's how we should be treating such material. This is not how BetaCommand acted, so the implications that Stefan is BetaCommand are completely unfounded. --MASEM (t) 14:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, these extremist positions about NFC are very damaging – to the policy and to the community. But I note that the extremism doesn't extend to preventing the objectification of women. You recently supported a featured-article candidate that contained a non-free image of a naked woman, one that I would say clearly violates the non-free content policy. But the Auschwitz Album must go, and an old image of a bike on a user page is an outrage. SarahSV(talk) 14:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) Except as long as a credible enough reason is provided, non-free images can be used in articles. The Auschwitz album and the bike image are, as policy is written, not valid uses. The US is clear on how it applies copyright. I disagree with Stefan's *enforcement* of the policy in this (and I would have in the Auschwitz case too) but as per the written policy they are invalid. IAR can be waved for Auschwitz as the collection of photos clearly enhances the project and no one is *ever* going to raise a copyright claim on behalf of an unnamed SS concentration camp guard. Likewise JzG's close acquaintance. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is unambiguously clear from policy that files need a source. Special:PermanentLink/24983809 reveals that the copyright holder releases the file to the public domain, but it doesn't say who the copyright holder is, so there is no way to verify this claim. Such files need to be discovered as soon as possible: if you wait a few years, then the uploader may have left the project, and then it is no longer possible to ask the uploader for clarification. It's a bit unfortunate that it took ten and a half year to spot this, but luckily the uploader was still around, so he was able to clarify this. If the file had been around for another ten years without being fixed, then there's a risk that the file might never have been fixable, if the uploader no longer is around at that time. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, what? I never commented anything about the nature of the image (or the article itself) outside of whether the image met NFCC or not, so to claim that my view doesn't extend to "preventing the objectification of women" is a personnel attack and absolutely unwarranted. NFC is NFC, there are a number of bright lines that have to be met to use such images, and assuring that an image that might be non-free is not presented as free is very much one of those bright lines. Yes, ultimately it was shown that the Auschwitz images are claimed by other authorities to be in the PD, so that matter is settled, but at the time Stefan nominated them, there was a fair question as to their nature. What Stefan did is what anyone should be expected to do if they see a free image that might actually be non-free. (At commons, the only way is via deletion; here en.wiki, we now use FFD to review such images). --MASEM (t) 15:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
TIL nudity is sexist. TimothyJosephWood 15:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Masem & User:Slimvirgin, which article and image are you talking about? I normally do not follow discussions about featured articles. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive5 though details on this are otherwise way off track for this matter. --MASEM (t) 19:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • God damn it, this was not an ANI matter. If JzG was indeed intransigent on this cosmically minor matter, Stefan should have just taken it up quietly with some admin. What an incredible waste of time this has been -- time which could have been spent productively.
Stefan's officious attitude is indeed offensive and a problem. In my one interaction with him I was driven almost mad by the templating, answers-which-didn't-answer-the-question, and refusal to engage what I was saying WP:Files_for_deletion/2014_June_4#File:WugTest_NowThereIsAnotherOne_FairUseOnly.jpg. Finally someone else came along and resolved the problem in an instant by pointing to the right policy, and answering the question asked. EEng 15:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:EEng, sorry if I didn't properly explain what the guidelines say at that time. When I get mad at something, I guess I sometimes escalate things a bit too much and don't think of what the best solution would be. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stefan demonstrating poor judgement in resolving issues and templating can be seen in these three posts to me. Each is about an orphaned non-free image. Each file names the academic journal to which it relates (as an image of the cover). Each had a proper non-free rationale. In each case, all that was needed was reversion of explained removal of the image, which should have been obvious. Instead of fixing the problem, Stefan simply dumps a template on my page for me to fix the problem. The value of an editor doing such work rather than a bot is that an editor has a brain and can exercise judgement. Sadly, whenever I see Stefan, I think of cases where information is clearly available but in the wrong form or simple problems which could have been quickly solved. Stefan, JzG is not following policy, but that doesn't put you in the right here. EdChem (talk) 15:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • A serious issue is attitude, which unfortunately is still something of fallout from BetaCommand from ~2009. There are presently over 0.5 million non-free images on en.wiki. There are about a dozen editors that actively maintain NFC, in light of the fact that after the falling out of the BetaCommand case, editors tend to give little fair treatment of those actually enforcing NFC. It's a vastly unappreciated job but one critical to the en.wiki and WMF mission, and the taint of the fallout of the BetaCommand situation has caused many editors to avoid admining that area to avoid getting being treated as if they were BetaCommand. As such, most of these admins in NFC do run their adminstration mechanically, using templates messages and the like, because that seems to be the only way to get through to most other users, while of course templating circularly leads to the resentment towards NFC and admins that handle that. While I do strongly agree that if all that is wrong with an image is a simple typo fix that is easily determined simply by looking at rationale that the admin should fix it instead of templating, many of the more common mistakes require understanding what the uploader or image user was thinking of when they added the non-free, and that's something that while an admin might guess at, it might be a wrong guess, and it is up to the uploader or reuser to make sure it is correct. (That is one thing that fell out from the Betacommand mess, that the onus on proper rationales, etc. is on the uploader, though admins should use common sense to fix the obvious typos).
    • We do need every editor on both sides, the NFC admin and those using NFC, to come back towards a more personable way to handle NFC, but with the understanding that it is a severely under-admined area that might have to resort to simple shortcuts (templates) to process the situation effectively. --MASEM (t) 16:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • User:EdChem, if a file has been removed from an article, then it is typically a lot easier for the uploader to tell if it is correct that the article is unused or if it should be restored to the article. Also, the sooner the uploader becomes aware that a file incorrectly has been removed from an article, the faster the uploader can restore it to the article, so to reduce the time during which the image is missing from the article, the file should in my opinion be tagged as soon as possible. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hatting: Either inappropriate sockpuppetry or block evasion (don't know which, but doesn't matter). --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • If JzG was in Stefan's shoes, he'd have banned the interloper "long-since", citing 3RR. "I'm just saying", that JzG knows who runs Wikipedia. *He* does, and if he wants to violate a rule, he *can*, he *does*, he doesn't care, and 40 people will line up and defend him, ignoring his hypocrisy and pathologizing the innocent fool (with due respect to Stefan) who had the unmitigated audacity to expect equal treatment. Ditto for when he bans someone-else, but in the other-direction. JzG is violating the 3RR, but 'he is who he is' and he gets to do what he wants. That's how Wikipedia operates and that's why Wikipedia is at-risk of delegitimatizing itself. Stefan had every right to complain, and handling with JzG with kid-gloves is not required. He doesn't own any himself, btw. Back on-point: If JzG knows the photo-owner, great, send him an email, get permission to release copyright, and no problem. There's no special "I know a guy" rule, as in "I know a guy, and he gave me X and he's probably give me copyright over X, since I'm part of X". You either have CR or you don't. That's JzG's logic, and he'd be here ranting if any other uses was behaving as he does. ChickenBoneInMyPonyTail (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I smell feet. Did someone take their socks off? TimothyJosephWood 16:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, if you criticize JzG, it's like having the whole cast of the Walking Dead after you. And I have a survival instinct. ChickenBoneInMyPonyTail (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have updated the article Velo Vision by adding refs, and in doing so discovered that Peter Eland (who apparently took this picture, according to Guy) has retired from publishing the magazine and sold it to a former reader, Howard Yeomans. The fair use image data for the magazine cover being used in the article says that it is Intellectual property owned by Velo Vision Ltd. So isn't Yeomans now the owner of the intellectual property (the magazine cover) in question here?
    • Generally, yes, the sale of a property and all its old content transfer the copyright to the new buyer as well, but its possible there's different terms that allowed Eland to retain copyright, so there's no immediate way to tell without asking. --MASEM (t) 17:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Is it not possible for this discussion to take place at the file's talk page (where efforts to resolve such matters are perhaps best placed)? The filing party acknowledges he didn't handle this very well, and if no actual sanction is going to result, must the discussion here be kept open? Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If by "acknowledging" you mean this dif please look at the three remarks made all at once there. I see "I'm sticking to my guns here" not a frank acknowledgement by Stefan of all the feedback they have been given here. I think this is pretty ripe for a boomerang by now, exactly because there is no sign they have heard what almost every commenter here has said. I was hoping to see them write something like "OK I get it. I withdraw this and will take the criticism I've gotten here on board." Stefan hearing what has been said here, is the one useful thing that could come out of what has otherwise been a waste of time. Jytdog (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Long term removal of maintenance templates

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Account appears to have a single m.o., the removal of maintenance templates from poorly referenced articles. The IP was blocked once, but has continued with dozens of such edits, each of which now require assessment to determine whether they're justified or just vandalism. Most appear to be the latter. More eyes appreciated. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

reported at AIV here. Still needs to be cleaned up after Jytdog (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go through and rollback some of the incorrect removals, however, some seem just fine. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 00:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted what I can for now, but unfortunately, I'm out of time for tonight. I'd still suggest that each be checked. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 01:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've got everything that is current, but there are still some that might be left. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 19:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be interested to know if there's any specific connection between the IP and the articles. Perhaps a long-term abuser with a particular interest in those articles? DARTHBOTTO talkcont 11:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The articles seem more random than anything. I wouldn't be surprised if this was just someone who clicked random article until finding tags that they would proceed to remove. I got most if it now, and it is hard to find anything else that I might have missed. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 20:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Much obliged for the attention. Though my IP has proved very transient, I've kept an eye on this, and appreciate the assistance. The 173 received a six month block. 2601:188:1:AEA0:F9F3:65F4:64EA:7EEC (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Edit warring on AN3

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Would someone please hurry up and block this editor? [139] [140] [141] [142] Toddst1 (talk) 06:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked by Dennis Brown for edit warring on AN3. Edit warring on AN3 is probably the most ridiculous situation I've seen on Wikipedia. Thanks Dennis. Toddst1(talk) 07:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Insomnia to the rescue. I didn't look at the merits of the AN3 report and will leave to others, but yeah, edit warring to change the order of who reported who at AN3 is pretty weird. Dennis Brown - 07:25, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And now he's socking. There is a WP:CIR issue going on, I fear. Just adding the note to the record. If it keeps up, we might need a CU to look at a range block for a short while. Going back to sleep now.... Dennis Brown - 08:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And here comes Want a Hertz Donut? (talk·contribs) Favonian (talk) 10:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Had to impose a short-term range block on 75.162.0.0/16. Favonian (talk) 10:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Persistent unconstructive editing despite warnings (follow-up report)

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In their response to my earlier report (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive923#Persistent abuse of categorization by IP), OlEnglish suggested that we watch to see if 76.88.107.122 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) would improve their editing practices.

This IP has not only not heeded the messages from OlEnglish and myself, but has begun repeating edits that were previously reverted. Examples:

  • Cutlass (re-added pirate category, after manual revert by me)
  • Queen Anne pistol (re-added pirate category and non-bidirectional navbox, after revert by KgosarMyth)
  • Walnut pie (re-added holiday category without source, after revert by me)

As I noted in my earlier report, I believe this is the same individual as 76.88.98.65 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), whose similar edits were interpreted as vandalism and was given a short-term block at one point. The editing pattern also matches 24.165.80.219 (talk · contribs · WHOIS).

Either this individual has not read the warning on their talk pages or the edit summaries and is continuing to edit in what they believe to be good faith, or they have read them, but consider other editors to be wrong and will continue repeating their unconstructive edits ad infinitum. (It's also possible they're trolling, but I see no evidence to indicate this level of bad faith.) In any case, I believe a temporary block of at least one week will encourage them to engage in discussion and read the relevant guidelines. Ibadibam (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for two weeks for disruptive editing. Open to review by other admins if anyone disagrees. -- œ 01:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruptive edits by User:165.225.32.70

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Hello. User:165.225.32.70 has recently been engaged in a spat of POV-pushing at various articles related to medieval Bulgaria. This editor has been unresponsive when asked for sources or discussion at User talk:165.225.32.70, and has unilaterally and repeatedly reverted any edits to bring these articles in line with what the cited academic sources say, and with WP:COMMONNAME. I am therefore following the procedures outlined at Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing to request an administrator’s aid. Example diffs: [143], [144], [145], [146], [147], [148], etc. Thank you, Vorziblix (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've given him the standard 3RR warning. If he persists, WP:AN3 is thataway. Katietalk 19:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. However, this still leaves the articles (Boris I of Bulgaria, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, and Zograf monastery) as they stand with the IP editor’s changes, which are inaccurate regarding the content of the actual cited sources (particularly John Fine’s The Early Medieval Balkans). I am reluctant to revert these myself, as I do not want to perpetuate an edit war. What are the appropriate steps to take to ensure that these articles reflect what the sources say without engaging in an edit war? —Vorziblix (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Further info at the talk page (section: Boris/Fine). The user continues to disrupt with edit warring, ignoring RS, and declining to discuss, despite warnings. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Given the further editwarring, I've blocked the IP address. Consider the following phrase:

Text, text, and more text<ref>Citation</ref>

The citation is a claim that the text ahead of it (here "Text, text, and more text") is derived from the cited source; if it's not derived from it, we have a hoax on our hands, and intentional hoaxes are vandalism. Nyttend (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Canvassing, BLP Revenge editing, and laughable accusations of sockpuppetry by WikiEditorial101

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  • 24 May User:Rjensen deletes content added by WikiEditorial101. [149] This is the only time any of their edits have ever overlapped. [150]
  • Pretty much the first thing he does after having his edit reverted by Jensen is to tag Jensen's Wikipedia BLP for issues, and complain about how the whole thing is clearly being maintained by him and his friends.[151][152]
  • He then canvasses 3 different people to the article, who he thinks will agree with him.[153][154][155]
  • And also accuses me and User:Fyddlestix of being Jensen's socks.[156][157]

Can someone please do something about this? Brustopher (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just as a factual comment, RJensen has substantially edited their own biography, so while the motive behind tagging it may be up for review, it is a valid placement. That people edit warred to remove it deserves trouts all round however. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also point out that I would be innately suspicious of anyone who has spent time massaging the article to remove/downplay negative aspects of the subject. (Keep in mind at the moment the article still gives the impression cited to 2015 that RJensen still thinks No Irish is a myth despite a multitude of evidence.) Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reading the sources its not that he thinks they did not exist altogether, merely that they were very rare, so the statement added was indeed untrue. Also I've generally tend to take a conservative approach to BLPs and "massage" them regardless of subject. If we were to deduce my POV through that angle I'd be a radical Islamist, Islamophobe, Feminist, Misogynist, Racist, Murder, GMO scientist, anti-GMO advocate, creationist, Tory MP, Labour MP, Left wing student, right wing commentator (and probably some other things I've forgotten) apologist. Brustopher (talk) 08:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Academic biographies are one of my main interests on wikipedia, I edit them a lot. While Mr. Jensen probably shouldn't have edited his own bio (and I would advise him against doing so in the future), the article isn't that bad, and any abuse of COI editing appears to have been quite mild in this case. I suggest that the tag should stay until someone can do a thorough review of the article (I started on this last night but then ran out of time) and Mr. Jensen agrees to stop editing his own bio and make edit requests on talk instead (the usual COI procedure). The notability tag was silly from the start (he's obviously notable) and should be removed. The suggestion that I'm a sock or have a COI on the article is preposterous - I've never met Mr. Jensen and only know about him & his article through a BLPN posting. The user making such accusations should be given a stern warning. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • On one hand, Wikieditorial's actions were remarkably petty, but on the other, they were all valid actions. I'd say that WikiEditorial gets a warning, then Jensen's article get a good once-over and watched for a while.142.105.159.60 (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry but I strongly disagree. The claim here is that WikiEditorial101 had a content dispute with Rjensen and then went and attacked the WP article about that editor. (yes I am using the word "attacked") and has since then has been making very personalized attacks on Rjensen and others (re the claims about socking). Rjensen has been editing their own article and this is not good is true; some of the content changes by Wikieditor are valid, yes. Rjensen has been editing since 2005 and does not seem to be aware as to how community consensus has moved on COI issues over the years - I will raise this with him on his talk page.
But in my view WikiEditorial101 is in violation of WP:BLPCOI here. He/she is carrying out a dispute with Rjensen that started elsewhere via the article about Rjensen. This can never happen in Wikipedia. So...
I propose a 24 hour block for WikiEditorial101 and I hope this gets done swiftly before these problems escalate further. Jytdog (talk) 18:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC) (redact per below Jytdog (talk) 21:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC))[reply]
After I posted that I went to Wikipeditorial's talk page and said that I think they violated BLPCOI and asked them to walk away from the article. They said they already had walked away, so a block seems unnecessary. They don't seem to understand the BLPCOI violation, but hopefully they won't stray into that again.
I also asked RJensen to step away from the article while this acute issue is getting worked out, and he agreed. I also offered to work through the longer term issues with him after this acute situation calms, and he agreed to that too. So I think this can be closed. Jytdog (talk) 21:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sock account, creating contentious categories

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See Category:People who wrote their own Wikipedia entry and Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This experienced user created the account specifically to commit what they knew would be a contentious and controversial action specifically to avoid connection to their main account. This is clearly in contravention of WP:SOCK. Can someone please keep an eye on this and take any action they want. I'm inclined to block myself, but they're probably experienced enough to know how to try to Wikilawyer around it in someway. This account, however, does not appear to be up to any good. Comment? --Jayron32 14:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see it's been deleted three four times today already- who created the first one? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He did. His only action at this account has been to create the category, then assign it to a single BLP. --Jayron32 14:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have only recently begun working on Wikipedia so have no yet added other BLPs to the category, my apologies. I look forward to discussion on the category. --User:Guest11111
I think what's being considered problematic User:Guest11111 is that if, as you say, you are a new editor, creating arcane categories such as that is an odd thing to begin with. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, do you mean that this category has been created before? If so, please indicate where it has come under discussion. Thank you, User:Guest11111
here, Guest. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That is from yesterday, when I created the category. This category is not arcane in any sense and fits all guidelines as far as I can tell. Please put forward an argument if you think otherwise; if not, please add to the category page. --User:Guest11111

Propose block of the category creator. (Leaving duration to be decided, probably depending on the socking Note: editor has come close to edit-warring over this. Suggest WP:NOTHERE applies.) But anyone who recreates the same item after it has been repteatedly deleted is clearly not listening to us. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the user that created this sock? ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 16:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no sock. This is a perfectly legitimate category and I am shocked that a few users are so caught up in their edit attacks that they refuse to even acknowledge that fact, or at least disagree with it reasonably. I can't think of a more off-putting community I've joined in recent times. Anyone who disagrees with this category existing ought to go ahead and say why. I look forward to discussion. --Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Update: If no majority disagrees with this category existing here or on the help page here then I hope to see the category page return within a day or two.

Side note, Jayron32 and Bbb23 have deleted my addition to [158] but the page makes clear that this is a relevant phenomenon, and the category [159] should be referenced there as well, as I had it. Thanks to all --Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Is IMDB a reliable source?

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Dont know it if belongs here. Im don't want to get into an edit war with this IP editor on List of natural horror films. He's been adamant that IMDB is a reliable source. It is a user-generated film fan site. I had removed 10+ imdb sources and he just reverts me. Can someone look at it? Iridona (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know I just responded to you on your talk page, but again from WP:USERGENERATED:
Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable. Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal blogs, group blogs, the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), the Comic Book Database (CBDB.com), content farms, most wikis including Wikipedia, and other collaboratively created websites.
IMDB is not to be used as a reilable source. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
but doesn't the page need citations to prove that the movies are real and they feature those monsters? there are also many wikipedia pages that use imdb --24.184.132.160 (talk) 20:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RS/IMDB is the relevant link. MarnetteDTalk 21:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites and Wikipedia:Citing IMDb.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
24.184.132.160, all content on Wikipedia does indeed need a reliable source. The point here is that IMDB doesn't count as a reliable source. If other wikipedia pages are using imdb for their citations, they are doing so incorrectly. --Yamla (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
okay, i understand --24.184.132.160 (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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IP-hopping edit warrior

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These are the latest active IP's of an edit warrior who's active on Israel and Palestine related articles. Edits are stuff like switching mentions of Palestine with Israel, etc. User has a history of these kinds of edits on these articles, so it might be a good idea to semi-protect these articles as the user seems to hop between IP's. Eik Corell (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which articles? There are hundreds (thousands?) of Israel and Palestine-related articles. LizRead! Talk! 18:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Check the contributions list of those two IP's, and of their earlier sock Anti-Śemites blown to smitherines (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The articles edited by the IP's above seem to be their primary focus, though. There is another report here on this user, I'll look through the archives for it. Eik Corell (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Easier to place a /64 range block if this person is editing disruptively. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And that's just what I did. 2604:2000:F20E:2800::/64 blocked two weeks for disruption. If it is block evasion and he returns, I'd be willing to block as long as three months. Katietalk 19:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just for posterity, I found the last AN/I report here. What a mess. Eik Corell (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Dubious edits of Jürgen Klinsmann1990

Please see User talk:Jürgen Klinsmann1990. Relatively new user instead of addressing the warnings started revert wars. - üser:Altenmann >t 04:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In particular the user keeps restoring false references, which do not support the footnoted statements of the article. Some examples :

It appears the user does not understand how the references are supposed to work. Pleas someone talk to this guy. As I see, this user translates chunks of text from Russian wikipedia, which has a rather lax habit in terms of proper referencing. Someone has to explain to this user that English wikipedia has much stricter traditions about verifiability of information. Obviously he will not listen to me.- üser:Altenmann >t 04:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • And why did You decide that these sources are not worthy? You know Russian language? In my opinion, You are mistaken. Previously I had no such problems, I'm not the first day in Wikipedia.--Jürgen Klinsmann1990 (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • These sources are worthy but thy do not say what wikipedia article says. You had no problems because nobody looked in detail. My Russian no problem, but your reading comprehension and refusal to admit mistakes are problems. If nobody here gives a fuck about you behavior, I am abandoning the issue. - üser:Altenmann >t 14:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, all the rest of the idiots, of course.--Jürgen Klinsmann1990 (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        I confirm that the above citation does not contain the statement it was inserted to reference.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a thought... Seems like there might be a language barrier problem has someone tried to ping a user that knows Russian and English to maybe explain the issue? --Cameron11598 (Talk) 22:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please explain what is unclear to you. - üser:Altenmann >t 14:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • On an unrelated note, is the username Jürgen Klinsmann1990 compliant with WP:IMPERSONATE? Cordless Larry (talk) 22:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The user continues his disregard of our rules, as other notice as well. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dropping a ping @Ymblanter: who speaks Russian and English fluently. Ymblanter, perhaps you may be able to assist? Blackmane (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can talk to them, however it looks like they do speak English but are not interested to comply with our policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, I was wrong, they are using Google Translate for most of the text they add to the articles.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive edits by User:165.225.32.70

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Hello. User:165.225.32.70 has recently been engaged in a spat of POV-pushing at various articles related to medieval Bulgaria. This editor has been unresponsive when asked for sources or discussion at User talk:165.225.32.70, and has unilaterally and repeatedly reverted any edits to bring these articles in line with what the cited academic sources say, and with WP:COMMONNAME. I am therefore following the procedures outlined at Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing to request an administrator’s aid. Example diffs: [161], [162], [163], [164], [165], [166], etc. Thank you, Vorziblix (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've given him the standard 3RR warning. If he persists, WP:AN3 is thataway. Katietalk 19:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. However, this still leaves the articles (Boris I of Bulgaria, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, and Zograf monastery) as they stand with the IP editor’s changes, which are inaccurate regarding the content of the actual cited sources (particularly John Fine’s The Early Medieval Balkans). I am reluctant to revert these myself, as I do not want to perpetuate an edit war. What are the appropriate steps to take to ensure that these articles reflect what the sources say without engaging in an edit war? —Vorziblix (talk) 19:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Further info at the talk page (section: Boris/Fine). The user continues to disrupt with edit warring, ignoring RS, and declining to discuss, despite warnings. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Given the further editwarring, I've blocked the IP address. Consider the following phrase:

Text, text, and more text<ref>Citation</ref>

The citation is a claim that the text ahead of it (here "Text, text, and more text") is derived from the cited source; if it's not derived from it, we have a hoax on our hands, and intentional hoaxes are vandalism. Nyttend (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Long term removal of maintenance templates

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Account appears to have a single m.o., the removal of maintenance templates from poorly referenced articles. The IP was blocked once, but has continued with dozens of such edits, each of which now require assessment to determine whether they're justified or just vandalism. Most appear to be the latter. More eyes appreciated. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

reported at AIV here. Still needs to be cleaned up after Jytdog (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go through and rollback some of the incorrect removals, however, some seem just fine. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 00:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted what I can for now, but unfortunately, I'm out of time for tonight. I'd still suggest that each be checked. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 01:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've got everything that is current, but there are still some that might be left. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 19:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be interested to know if there's any specific connection between the IP and the articles. Perhaps a long-term abuser with a particular interest in those articles? DARTHBOTTO talkcont 11:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The articles seem more random than anything. I wouldn't be surprised if this was just someone who clicked random article until finding tags that they would proceed to remove. I got most if it now, and it is hard to find anything else that I might have missed. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 20:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Much obliged for the attention. Though my IP has proved very transient, I've kept an eye on this, and appreciate the assistance. The 173 received a six month block. 2601:188:1:AEA0:F9F3:65F4:64EA:7EEC (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Edit warring on AN3

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Would someone please hurry up and block this editor? [167] [168] [169] [170] Toddst1 (talk) 06:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked by Dennis Brown for edit warring on AN3. Edit warring on AN3 is probably the most ridiculous situation I've seen on Wikipedia. Thanks Dennis. Toddst1(talk) 07:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Insomnia to the rescue. I didn't look at the merits of the AN3 report and will leave to others, but yeah, edit warring to change the order of who reported who at AN3 is pretty weird. Dennis Brown - 07:25, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And now he's socking. There is a WP:CIR issue going on, I fear. Just adding the note to the record. If it keeps up, we might need a CU to look at a range block for a short while. Going back to sleep now.... Dennis Brown - 08:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And here comes Want a Hertz Donut? (talk·contribs) Favonian (talk) 10:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Had to impose a short-term range block on 75.162.0.0/16. Favonian (talk) 10:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More IP socking

This same user is blatantly obviously socking out of the rangeblock at 174.23.111.247 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). SPI investigation looking like it's being mired by wikirules. Toddst1 (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Jayron32 16:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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And another

Newname0002 (talk · contribs) Toddst1 (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Favonian (talk·contribs) blocked Newname0002 (talk contribs) with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Abusing multiple accounts) Toddst1(talk) 21:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Could Newname0004 (talk·contribs) be another? Just a headsup. Perhaps some of the articles they are hitting could be semi-protected for a few days? --Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 21:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Newname0005 (talk·contribs)? --Ebyabe talk - Health and Welfare ‖ 21:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are a slew of additional socks that Favonian keeps whacking. Kudos, bro. Toddst1(talk) 22:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Danke! Clubjustin Talkosphere 03:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible to remove two admins from me?

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Please consider: first, context: My recent block for “canvassing” does not appear to be in accordance with the blocking policy page. Please see my TALK page for the block notice and my unblock requests for explanation and context, if you're interested in looking into this (I'm not going to repeat it all here to keep this of a reasonable length)..

The policy page suggests A. I should have been warned/educated instead of immediately blocked for this. B. block should not be punitive C. there was no ongoing, disruptive behavior (this was a single good-faith mistake in past that was not ongoing) D. Blocks should be no longer than needed. E. at least two of the admins involved have a history with me that began many months ago when I was brand new to editing..

Regarding Coffee: please see my bottom TALK thread “Block Duration”...Coffee's behavior there seemed quite threatening and bullying to me (ie if you don't shut up I'm going to ban you forever!)Coffee also continuously misrepresented my statements in that thread and above (just below my final unblock request).

Regarding Laser Brain: this person also had a conflict with me months back when I first started editing..they have been following me since, it seems...and have continuously inserted themselves onto my talk page in quite negative ways. Laser Brain actually denied my previous unblock requests twice in a row, which is against policy according to the page..In fact, these two individuals are the people who instated 3 of my 4 blocks if you look at the log. And Laser Brain has denied 3 out of my last 4 unblock requests, which is against policy.

All things considered, is it possible to have these two admins not deal with me in the future and have that be enforced? That is, have them move on to other matters and have other admins in the admins universe deal with me if needed in the future? I feel I am being bullied away from editing Wikipedia by them...(I expect them to be along to state how horrible I am but please note my history which displays the hundreds upon hundreds of beneficial contributions I've made all across Wikipedia). Thank you for your time.68.48.241.158 (talk) 13:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to duck the WP:BOOMERANG heading your way. You were told not just by these admins but MANY other editors that your edits were disruptive, and your canvassing was also disruptive. Your block log, especially recently, seems to back this up. RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:05, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to avoid future problems.68.48.241.158 (talk) 13:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yet attracting current ones, it appears. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 13:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blocking administrator comment - I think it's best if I just let this IP's editing history speak for itself. (I'll note again that my 72 hour block was extremely lenient for their 4th block in a two month time span.) Coffee // have a cup // beans // 13:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please note: as I referenced above 3 of my 4 blocks were instated by these two admins...and laser brain has single handedly denied 3/4 of my last unblock requests, which is against policy...so this person citing that I've been blocked 4 times needs to be carefully considered in context..68.48.241.158 (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The easiest recipe: do not edit disruptively, do not make personal attacks, do not engage into canvassing, then you will not be blocked for the fifth time, and you will not have to file an unblock request.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Well, in context, after reviewing your edits and the blocks that resulted... the blocks are good. Had I seen that pattern of behavior, despite warnings and previous blocks, I would have blocked as well. Further, I probably would have blocked for a lot longer than 3 days. The fact that the same admin performed more than one of those blocks shows not that they were gunning for you or whatever, but that they continued to monitor the situation after the first block. They know the facts - so I trust their analysis, especially since it matches my own. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
that block only required a warning and a link to "canvassing" page...the justification for blocking me was that I'd been blocked in the past (by them!)..this is disruptive to Wikipedia as I could no longer participate in things I'd helped to initiate for the benefit of the encyclopedia...I'd like them to step aside from me to avoid future problems that interfere with the encyclopedia..and have others deal with me in the future..even you..68.48.241.158 (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Given the fact that you've posted this on one of the most heavily watched noticeboard for administrators, I think the odds that other admins will monitor your conduct are pretty good. And I'll watchlist your talk page and the AFD as well. But I'm not going to tell these two admins to lay off - the blocks were justified and within policy. I will say that a really easy way to not get blocked for canvassing is to not canvass. We announce AFDs at the AFD log, on the article itself, and now at ANI. Anyone who is active and interested is now aware of the AFD. So there's no further need to notify anyone directly. So don't. Easy. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 13:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
right, the canvassing only required a notice and link to canvassing page..which is why the block is concerning, considering the justification was previous blocks--all largely made by the same people...and Laser Brain's repetitive denial of unblock requests is against policy and especially concerning considering our history..I'd like these two to step aside, either voluntarily or at the request of other admins...other admins are perfectly capable of dealing with me in the future...68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's not likely, given the circumstances. They acted appropriately - the fact that they could have taken other steps does not mean that the steps they did take are inappropriate. But on the upside, if they do violate policy there'll be a bunch of admins to catch them at it. So that's a thing. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will also add your talk page and the AfD to my watchlist to help alleviate your concerns. I don't see any incorrect actions by the admins already involved, but if you would like fresh eyes you have them. HighInBC 14:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that. part of my concern is that I'm no one else is overseeing all of this..68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
People are watching, they have been all along. HighInBC 14:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
well, I'd like them to step in if something odd seems to be going on..see my most recent response to Ultraexactzz above..68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The AFD has been on my watchlist since I created it for you. I added your talk page to my watchlist today after I saw a note on the AFD about your block. There are enough people watching that anything will be caught. -- GB fan 15:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm satisfied and appreciate that other admins have stated their willingness to keep an eye on things. I suppose nothing more is needed for now. Thank you very much for your time.68.48.241.158 (talk) 02:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Sock account, creating contentious categories

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See Category:People who wrote their own Wikipedia entry and Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This experienced user created the account specifically to commit what they knew would be a contentious and controversial action specifically to avoid connection to their main account. This is clearly in contravention of WP:SOCK. Can someone please keep an eye on this and take any action they want. I'm inclined to block myself, but they're probably experienced enough to know how to try to Wikilawyer around it in someway. This account, however, does not appear to be up to any good. Comment? --Jayron32 14:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see it's been deleted three four times today already- who created the first one? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He did. His only action at this account has been to create the category, then assign it to a single BLP. --Jayron32 14:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have only recently begun working on Wikipedia so have no yet added other BLPs to the category, my apologies. I look forward to discussion on the category. --User:Guest11111
I think what's being considered problematic User:Guest11111 is that if, as you say, you are a new editor, creating arcane categories such as that is an odd thing to begin with. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, do you mean that this category has been created before? If so, please indicate where it has come under discussion. Thank you, User:Guest11111
here, Guest. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That is from yesterday, when I created the category. This category is not arcane in any sense and fits all guidelines as far as I can tell. Please put forward an argument if you think otherwise; if not, please add to the category page. --User:Guest11111

Propose block of the category creator. (Leaving duration to be decided, probably depending on the socking Note: editor has come close to edit-warring over this. Suggest WP:NOTHERE applies.) But anyone who recreates the same item after it has been repteatedly deleted is clearly not listening to us. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the user that created this sock? ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 16:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no sock. This is a perfectly legitimate category and I am shocked that a few users are so caught up in their edit attacks that they refuse to even acknowledge that fact, or at least disagree with it reasonably. I can't think of a more off-putting community I've joined in recent times. Anyone who disagrees with this category existing ought to go ahead and say why. I look forward to discussion. --Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Update: If no majority disagrees with this category existing here or on the help page here then I hope to see the category page return within a day or two.

Side note, Jayron32 and Bbb23 have deleted my addition to [171] but the page makes clear that this is a relevant phenomenon, and the category [172] should be referenced there as well, as I had it. Thanks to all --Guest11111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Template edit needed post TfD closure

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The locked {{missing information}} needs the {{tfd}} removing from it now that the discussion has been closed - Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 May 20. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Katietalk 14:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Promotion/Vandalism only account User:प्रशान्त पाण्डेय

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User:प्रशान्त पाण्डेय is spamming Wikipedia with misleading data and sometimes replacing www.barb.co.uk with with www.barc.co.in, an Indian company website with a edit summary Fixed grammar such as [173], [174], [175], [176], [177] and many many more!--Aisonajulk chat 15:47, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are required to notify the editor of this discussion. I've done that for you. Katietalk 19:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I blocked them for 72h for vandalism. This is not vandalism-only account, they also seem to have good edits.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Canvassing, BLP Revenge editing, and laughable accusations of sockpuppetry by WikiEditorial101

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  • 24 May User:Rjensen deletes content added by WikiEditorial101. [178] This is the only time any of their edits have ever overlapped. [179]
  • Pretty much the first thing he does after having his edit reverted by Jensen is to tag Jensen's Wikipedia BLP for issues, and complain about how the whole thing is clearly being maintained by him and his friends.[180][181]
  • He then canvasses 3 different people to the article, who he thinks will agree with him.[182][183][184]
  • And also accuses me and User:Fyddlestix of being Jensen's socks.[185][186]

Can someone please do something about this? Brustopher (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just as a factual comment, RJensen has substantially edited their own biography, so while the motive behind tagging it may be up for review, it is a valid placement. That people edit warred to remove it deserves trouts all round however. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also point out that I would be innately suspicious of anyone who has spent time massaging the article to remove/downplay negative aspects of the subject. (Keep in mind at the moment the article still gives the impression cited to 2015 that RJensen still thinks No Irish is a myth despite a multitude of evidence.) Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reading the sources its not that he thinks they did not exist altogether, merely that they were very rare, so the statement added was indeed untrue. Also I've generally tend to take a conservative approach to BLPs and "massage" them regardless of subject. If we were to deduce my POV through that angle I'd be a radical Islamist, Islamophobe, Feminist, Misogynist, Racist, Murder, GMO scientist, anti-GMO advocate, creationist, Tory MP, Labour MP, Left wing student, right wing commentator (and probably some other things I've forgotten) apologist. Brustopher (talk) 08:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Academic biographies are one of my main interests on wikipedia, I edit them a lot. While Mr. Jensen probably shouldn't have edited his own bio (and I would advise him against doing so in the future), the article isn't that bad, and any abuse of COI editing appears to have been quite mild in this case. I suggest that the tag should stay until someone can do a thorough review of the article (I started on this last night but then ran out of time) and Mr. Jensen agrees to stop editing his own bio and make edit requests on talk instead (the usual COI procedure). The notability tag was silly from the start (he's obviously notable) and should be removed. The suggestion that I'm a sock or have a COI on the article is preposterous - I've never met Mr. Jensen and only know about him & his article through a BLPN posting. The user making such accusations should be given a stern warning. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • On one hand, Wikieditorial's actions were remarkably petty, but on the other, they were all valid actions. I'd say that WikiEditorial gets a warning, then Jensen's article get a good once-over and watched for a while.142.105.159.60 (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry but I strongly disagree. The claim here is that WikiEditorial101 had a content dispute with Rjensen and then went and attacked the WP article about that editor. (yes I am using the word "attacked") and has since then has been making very personalized attacks on Rjensen and others (re the claims about socking). Rjensen has been editing their own article and this is not good is true; some of the content changes by Wikieditor are valid, yes. Rjensen has been editing since 2005 and does not seem to be aware as to how community consensus has moved on COI issues over the years - I will raise this with him on his talk page.
But in my view WikiEditorial101 is in violation of WP:BLPCOI here. He/she is carrying out a dispute with Rjensen that started elsewhere via the article about Rjensen. This can never happen in Wikipedia. So...
I propose a 24 hour block for WikiEditorial101 and I hope this gets done swiftly before these problems escalate further. Jytdog (talk) 18:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC) (redact per below Jytdog (talk) 21:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC))[reply]
After I posted that I went to Wikipeditorial's talk page and said that I think they violated BLPCOI and asked them to walk away from the article. They said they already had walked away, so a block seems unnecessary. They don't seem to understand the BLPCOI violation, but hopefully they won't stray into that again.
I also asked RJensen to step away from the article while this acute issue is getting worked out, and he agreed. I also offered to work through the longer term issues with him after this acute situation calms, and he agreed to that too. So I think this can be closed. Jytdog (talk) 21:51, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threat on 3RR noticeboard?

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Here: [187] Mike1901 (talk) 14:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Definite legal threat. And libellous as well. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. I've blocked indef (simply because I wasn't sure what duration would be appropriate), and will amend the duration as needed. I haven't looked at the underlying issue, though it seems that the IP has some pretty strong feelings on the matter. The IP also appears to be edit warring at University of Buckingham. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 14:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The block is correct. We block indefinitely until they retract their threats and are satisfied that it won't continue. It is really the only duration for these cases. Some effort should be taken to consider the validity of their concerns. HighInBC 14:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't indefintely block IPs. The duration should be reduced.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are of course correct, I was thinking it was a user at the time. I stand corrected. HighInBC 16:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No objection, as soon as someone tells me what to reduce it to. This isn't a drive by, I can adjust it as necessary. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The precise duration is discretionary. If it were my block, I would reduce it to one month, which is approximately the amount of time this person has been using the IP.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just tweaked it to 1 year: Long enough to eliminate the problem, but not so long as to catch an innocent when the IP inevitably gets reset. --Jayron32 15:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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IP editor on Eric Fanning

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An IP editor, apparently the same person working from 128.103.150.72 and 65.112.10.181 and 70.192.0.242, has several times named Fanning's domestic partner, though we have no citation for more than a boyfriend. Diffs here and here and here. There has been discussion on the Talk page and appropriate info has been added to the body of Fanning's WP entry as you can see in this diff. The entry is BLP. The editor's comments suggest that further discussion is fruitless, notably "Google it. I'll edit this each time you take it down. I am inclined to cite "I don't give a fuck"." Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Caucasianium

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Account which avoids discussion, violates WP:NPA instead, continues edit-warring and is possibly a sock puppet of User:SmartXT. I don't know where to report this best. Also the article Criminal case Lisa F. should be blocked for new/IP users. I wrote on his talk page, wanted to discuss with him, but was insulted only.--Gerry1214 (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know whether they are a sock or not (likely they are), but they are clearly WP:NOTTHERE, therefore blocked for an indefinite duration.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the quick reaction.--Gerry1214 (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Optakeover

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Supposedly this is unconstructive: [188]. They added this harassing message: [189]. They edit so fast that it is obvious that they use a robot. 167.107.191.217 (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Swoosh smack. Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 14:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Optakeover: Yes, he uses HAL 9000 nowadays I believe. What are you doing, Captain? We ask all the time, but, meh, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the discussion was reopened (for now), I just wanted to say that I would like to think I work like HAL 9000 :P Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 15:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If what I did was unconstructive, please move Shotgun surgery to Shotgun Surgery. 167.107.191.217 (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit introduced a typo and looked to an outsider like a test edit. You were left a very polite message. You are not being harassed. I am closing this now as it is the best thing for you.HighInBC 14:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have unclosed this as the primary reason for the close was to avoid a boomerang. This is now moot. Unclosing to discuss unfolding events. HighInBC 15:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize there was a typo. I read the message as "replacing superfluous uppercase by lowercase is unconstructive". This is not polite. Saying "you inserted a Greek letter" would have been polite. Also the Swoosh smack is unpolite.

Please unblock User talk:167.107.191.217. It is not an open proxy. HaŋaRoa (talk) 14:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The block was by Widr[190] and seems to be based on the IP being reported as an open proxy. Perhaps you can talk to User:Widr if you have concerns about this block. HighInBC 15:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@HighInBC: The discussion has resumed at User talk:Floquenbeam#Please unblock User talk:167.107.191.217. Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 15:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lets get this straight:
1. IP makes a (constructive) change to the capitalisation in the header and inadvertantly introduces a character that stops the heading.
2. Optakeover then templates the IP stating they have been reverted as their edit was not constructive - rather than just removing the extra character.
3. IP leaves a snarky and not particularly civil message on Optakeover's talkpage incorrectly capitalised pointing out why their template was unwelcome.
4. Optakeover reverts on their talkpage and templates IP *again* with an entirely incorrect 'vandalism' warning. Hint: Uncivil but direct posts on your talkpage attempting to address the template you left them are not 'vandalism'.
5. IP understandably miffed at this point replies again attempts to explain.
So far I would suspect any editer reverting like that and leaving automated templates that are incorrect is operating a bot or other automated program without due care and attention. Given that Optakeover is using both twinkle and huggle, accusing them of being a robot is not actually that much a reach.
6. IP has now been blocked as an open proxy despite editing from a static corporate IP assigned to Experian - a large UK credit checking company (I dont know its US presence) so its just editing from a corporate network. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It even says on the top of the page that the IP belongs to Experian and can be shared by many users on the enterprise domain. There is certainly no need to block since it's not an open proxy. Sir Joseph(talk) 15:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unblocked as per discussion on Floquenbeam's talk page: User talk:Floquenbeam#Please unblock User talk:167.107.191.217. Mike1901 (talk) 16:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Only in death: The problem with my second warning is that I pressed Q. I should have selected a more appropriate warning but since the first warning was appropriate, and I assumed that the second edit was in bad faith as it was a repeat of the first, I didn't think I really needed to do otherwise. Lesson learnt is I should select the appropriate notice and to check the edit properly. However I believe that what really made the IP angry was that he messaged me on my talk page first, but I failed to reply him (owing to busyness). Therefore I guess he decided to seek recourse here. I guess I will apologise again that my response to his post could have been nicer, but the point still stands that the IP should have checked that his report was actually truly the case. Anyway, we have killed the horse too much already.. I have made my apologies and clarifications to all the involved parties. Out, Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 17:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You bringing this here is inappropriate, as Optakeover merely saw that you had added a typo and subsequently reverted it. There's just as much cause to revert your edit as there is to simply remove the typo, so I'm not going to hold either side at fault on that matter. However, yes, please don't bring this to AN/I for such a small event- I'm honestly surprised there has been this much discussion thus far. I think everything that needs to be said and done has been said and done, so let's close this discussion and walk away. DARTHBOTTO talkcont 11:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Is IMDB a reliable source?

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Dont know it if belongs here. Im don't want to get into an edit war with this IP editor on List of natural horror films. He's been adamant that IMDB is a reliable source. It is a user-generated film fan site. I had removed 10+ imdb sources and he just reverts me. Can someone look at it? Iridona (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know I just responded to you on your talk page, but again from WP:USERGENERATED:
Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable. Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal blogs, group blogs, the Internet Movie Database (IMDb), the Comic Book Database (CBDB.com), content farms, most wikis including Wikipedia, and other collaboratively created websites.
IMDB is not to be used as a reilable source. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
but doesn't the page need citations to prove that the movies are real and they feature those monsters? there are also many wikipedia pages that use imdb --24.184.132.160 (talk) 20:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RS/IMDB is the relevant link. MarnetteDTalk 21:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites and Wikipedia:Citing IMDb.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
24.184.132.160, all content on Wikipedia does indeed need a reliable source. The point here is that IMDB doesn't count as a reliable source. If other wikipedia pages are using imdb for their citations, they are doing so incorrectly. --Yamla (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
okay, i understand --24.184.132.160 (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Another legal threat...

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Here: [191] (seem to be attracting them today for some reason....) Mike1901 (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked. I will message the blocked user. --Yamla (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sockpuppet of Alec Smithson

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Alec Smithson is a long-term disruptive editor indeffed here and, since 23 January 2016, globally locked on Meta. There's now a blatant sockpuppet, Prof.John Fox, active on several wiki projects, already blocked for that reason on fr.wp and pt.wp. I've asked the Meta steward who blocked Smithson, M7, to take action. Meanwhile, can the sock be indeffed here and his few edits nuked? In case anyone needs evidence, the overlap with the master is patently obvious in global edits: House of Natoli, Salvatore Garau, Carlo Bazzi, Fernando Carcupino, Francesco Filippini – all Smithson specials. Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have you asked a local CheckUser to look at the account? They'd probably be equipped to see if this is another sock. You could always open an WP:SPI --Cameron11598(Talk) 00:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The account is technically Likely to Music10-user. I've blocked the account. Best, Mike VTalk 01:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Best course of action...

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A group of editors would like to add various accusations and disparagements to the Katie Couric BLP for a documentary film with which she was involved. It's a recent news story just a few hours old, and news sources say the outrage at Couric, a popular whipping-post for conservatives, is misdirected. What I thought was a bunch of editors now appears to be all the same person based on previous article edits in common: Mike2A-MD (talk · contribs) → Jbusch8899 (talk · contribs) → 70.161.253.34 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)70.106.236.19 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)...

Should I file a 3RR report (combined, they have already exceeded 3 reverts). Should I file an SPI report (they already fail the 'Duck Test' miserably)? Should I ask to have the page protected? Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest that this matter be put on hold temporarily, as the article has been protected for the short-term. Xenophrenic (talk) 04:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Potguru

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We seem to have a bit of a problem with an editor that seems to not be here. The editor in question User:Potguru has been making controversial edits and moves. The editor has been asked a few times to slow down and to see what other think about the edits and moves but to no avail. Potguru has a very strict POV on the meaning of the word "Marijuana" and has been changing the word Cannabis to "marijuana" all over despite concerns raised. They have also moved articles with titles containing Cannabis to marijuana again despite concerns raised by many. They have also proposed invalid mergers and draft proposal for the purpose of content forking all based on one POV. Moxy (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I object to this characterization. I have discovered a number of articles that were incorrectly titled based in some cases on incorrect text and in other cases I cannot determine the reason but in every single edit I was careful to represent the cited reference which, in all cases where I made these edits, read "marijuana" instead of "cannabis". I have not made any war edits and in any case where there was some concern with my edit I made my case on the talk page and walked away while we await concensus on the matter. I also object to being thrown into this page without the OP following hte clear directions above which clearly state "Before posting a grievance about a user here, please consider discussing the issue with them on their user talk page." Your comments were not on my talk page, but somewhere I could never find them [here] instead. If you have a grievance with me, please follow the prescription on this page and discuss it with me directly. You left my talk page with many unanswered questions. --Potguru (talk) 04:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So let me give some examples of this behavior....

On each page where there was any controversy I brought the issue to the talk page. On each page where I have made edits my edits are clear and precise. --Potguru (talk) 02:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, the reason for the proposed merger is that cannabis(drug) and cannabis(the plant) seem to be the same issue to me. Rather than controversially move or make a change I am asking for concensus, which is what we are supposed to do on wikipedia. --Potguru (talk) 02:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If this is what you believe then I question your competence to edit the topic at all. -- Moxy (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Moxy, where is this coming from? We were having a perfectly meaningful conversation about the meaning of the word marijuana and now you decide to attack me personally as incompetent? --Potguru (talk) 03:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not an attack ... a POV statement that your not knowledgeable enough to edit this topic at this point in time. I have seen to much wrong guess work at this point to believe otherwise.-- 03:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
You challenged my competence and presume I am guessing at things, that is an unwelcome personal attack. --Potguru (talk) 05:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are mistaken. I called for concensus on a merge of this article back in January. Consensus was no comment for or against and so I carefully merged the pages. Then another editor came in and undid all my work without comment so I largely undid his reversions in favor of the concensus version. (And I took a great deal of effort on my merge). --Potguru (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My edit on this page is consistent with other articles that talk about marijuana or cannabis. There was no nefarious intent in that edit, please assume my edits are for the betterment of the readers as they are --Potguru (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the notice that the official word for marijuana on wikipedia is cannabis? Again, my edits are consitent with the sources. There is no 420 "cannabis holiday", it is a "marijuana holiday". If there is concensus on this issue please point me to it because I do not see where we all came to agree that every instance of marijuana should be replaced with cannabis. --Potguru (talk) 02:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I said the move was and is consistent with the content on the page. If you have sources that talk about a "cannabis policy in Colorado" please share them, otherwise we must stick to the cited references because Wikipedia is no place for original work. --Potguru (talk) 02:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did show you sources....enough is enough. -- Moxy (talk) 03:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, where did you show me sources that talk about a cannabis policy in Colorado? You showed me the definition of industrial hemp in Colorado, is that what you are referring to? --Potguru (talk) 03:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lets quote the act that has been show to you a few times now and is the topic of the article " Colorado Amendment 64- In the interest of enacting rational policies for the treatment of all variations of the cannabis plant, the people of Colorado further find and declare that industrial hemp should be regulated separately from strains of cannabis with higher Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) concentrations. “Industrial Hemp” means the plant of the genus cannabis and any part of such plant, whether growing or not, with a Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol concentration that does not exceed three-tenths percent on a dry weight basis. “Marijuana” or “Marihuana” does not include Industrial Hemp, nor does it include fiber produced from the stalks, oil, or cake made from the seeds of the plant, sterilized seed of the plant which is capable of germination, or the weight of any other ingredient combined with marijuana to prepare topical or oral administrations, food, drink, or other product. -- Moxy (talk) 03:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Text of amendment 64 can be found here: http://www.fcgov.com/mmj/pdf/amendment64.pdf In the text, as I have pointed out to you several times, the defintion of marijuana is: "MARIJUANA" OR "MARIHUANA" MEANS ALL PARTS OF THE PLANT OF THE GENUS CANNABIS WHETHER GROWING OR NOT, THE SEEDS THEREOF, THE RESIN EXTRACTED FROM ANY PART OF THE PLANT, AND EVERY COMPOUND, MANUFACTURE, SALT, DERIVATIVE, MIXTURE, OR PREPARATION OF THE PLANT, ITS SEEDS, OR ITS RESIN, INCLUDING MARIHUANA CONCENTRATE. "MARIJUANA" OR "MARIHUANA" DOES NOT INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL HEMP, NOR DOES IT INCLUDE FIBER PRODUCED FROM THE STALKS, OIL, OR CAKE MADE FROM THE SEEDS OF THE PLANT, STERILIZED SEED OF THE PLANT WHICH IS INCAPABLE OF GERMINATION, OR THE WEIGHT OF ANY OTHER INGREDIENT COMBINED WITH MARIJUANA TO PREPARE TOPICAL OR ORAL ADMINISTRATIONS, FOOD, DRINK, OR OTHER PRODUCT. I emphasise the second sentence to highlight why marijuana is not the same as cannabis... cannabis with less than 0.03% THC is hemp and hemp is not marijuana per the above definition. --04:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Ok I am puzzled then...your aware both text above that the term Cannabis is used then further defined by the terms MJ and hemp.....and that the article talks about both MJ and hemp but you think its best to call it " marijuana" when its clear cannabis is being used as the parent term in the act then sub-defined? Can you explain this logic to me pls. -- Moxy (talk) 04:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Puzzled? Perhaps we should continue talking about this then, rather that you suggesting I be banned because you do not understand what I am saying. I have been saying the same thing for days that marijuana (per the above definition and the original 1937 definition) is a portion of the cannabis plant and the remainder is hemp. That is what most of the articles say and that is what my edits are about. --Potguru (talk) 05:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure what to do here....looking for input. -- Moxy (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh vey, pot guru for sure. Suggest final warning for the editor to stop the nonsense or else a topic ban from all naming suggestions. That's been really nice and assuming there's a sensible person behind the ego there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further review of the prior ANI discussion, skip the warning, propose topic ban on all content related to marijuana and cannibus for six months. If the editor shows that they aren't just going to bull-in-a-china-shop elsewhere, they can go back to that topic but the prior history shows little need for patience. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please be specific about the "nonsense" you are referring to. --Potguru (talk) 02:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest topic ban now, enough with the warnings (which are being ignored anyway). Mlpearc (open channel) 02:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please give me an example of a warning I have ignored I am unaware that I have ignored any administrators warnings. I respect wikipedia policy which is why I must insist that the text of articles be supported by the actual citations used not some other unknown reason. --Potguru (talk) 03:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not insult our intelligence here. There have been tens if not hundreds of editors on these topics for years, either you believe you have some brilliant insights about how these things should be worded and your ego needs a check or you're just an jerk who's going to push whatever they believe regardless of other people but neither of which is helpful here. If you don't see a problem, then we should just block you right now and move on. You've already wasted more of our time than is necessary. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strike that. Slow down and learn the proper processes here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I've made any edits since I started responding to this and my talk thread. I learned how to take a walk a long time ago, which is why I do not edit war. --Potguru (talk) 06:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Too bad you struck out the nail which you hit squarely on the head. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've been chewed out enough over "Admin conduct" and incivility for calling people. I'm trying to be nicer although it ruins the bluntless. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support a topic ban as-well ....I see no end to this other wise ....no inclination at all they will change the behavior. -- Moxy (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Moxy I'm surprised at this post on the heals of your statement "I think you think your doing the right thing" just hours ago. Please take the time to respond to my replies above. Your call for me to be banned would only serve to end any meaningful discussion of the term marijuana vs the term cannabis which you admitted just yesterday is an important discussion that we need to have. --Potguru (talk) 03:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it is a topic we need to talk about.....but we are having trouble moving forward because we are dealing with you and your edits all the time. --Moxy (talk) 03:12, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it is an mportant discussion we will have it. If we require you around to discuss it, it probably isnt very important. ♫ RichardWeisstalkcontribs 03:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what you hope to gain by attacking me. Please refrain from attacking other editors or assuming the worst about their intentions. --Potguru (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree re a formal warning and if no progress a topic ban, user seems to be only interested in cannabis. I thought his attempts to merge cannabis and cannabis (drug), two enormous articles, to be spurious. he or she is better off learning the ropes of wikipedia before engagng controversially wth ths topic. ♫ RichardWeisstalkcontribs 03:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User has updated countless articles on various topics. User authored the original "Drumpf" article which was covered by major media (later merged into another article). You are hasty in your review, you should take more time to see what I have contributed to the site because your assessment is far too narrow. Your premature ending of the merge was also hasty, you seem to have a pattern. --Potguru (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We can talk about that merge if you like. You wanted to merge a huge biology article on the genus Cannabis with an even larger article on cannabis as a drug. After six editors opposed your proposal, with not one supporting, which we call a WP:SNOWBALL result, and after I asked you why you had made such an odd merge proposal, and with no justification for doing so in your opening comments, you admitted that it was to test consensus, ie you had no reasn for making such a proposal. So I would argue that the pattern and the disruptive editing is comng from you, and the fact that you are blaming me is part of the pattern. No other editor is supporting your comments re me but a whole host of editor are complaining about your behaviour on the cannabis articles. You seem to be attacking me in order to try to divert attenton from yourself. ♫ RichardWeisstalkcontribs 06:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see where I have attacked you at all. I have made clear that I think your edits are edit warring but I made my reasoning very clear on your talk page. It is more than clear that you act in haste, as you did to revert more than a half dozen articles I carefully verified and then you (willy nilly) reverted my considered edits. Have you even looked at the cited material in any of those articles? They all refer to marijuana, not cannabis as your edits would have us believe. --Potguru (talk) 07:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previous discussions for reference. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately this editor has been using WikiP as a WP:FORUM since, at least, the end of March. You can see various threads beginning here Talk:Colorado Springs, Colorado#March 2016 Marijuana Industry section content dispute. This is but one of several edit summaries where they reinserted info in spite of the discussion on the talk page pointing out the problematic nature of the edits. They have had the "WikiP ropes" explained again and again. I am not sure whether they will ever understand the difference between an encyclopedia and a WP:SOAPBOX. MarnetteDTalk 03:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Above editor unreasonably removed several posts about [marijuana] from Colorado Springs article until same editor was forced to follow concensus. We all agreed on specific text and that text is in the Colorado Springs article today. Marijuana is a huge industry and daily news item in Colorado Springs. But we came to consensus and that is where the article stands today with a short blurb about marijuana in the culture section. --Potguru (talk) 04:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nice job on getting it backwards. You were the one inserting items against the consensus and the short blurb is what was agreed upon my the rest of us that were commenting on that talk page. This illustrates, quite well the reason that this topic ban is now being discussed. MarnetteDTalk 04:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually what I was doing was boldly editing an article. Then you would remove what I wrote because you thought there was no place in the Colorado Springs article for any discussion of marijuana. Then I'd write something else and then you'd remove what I wrote. Then we got other editors to look at the situation and once we all came to concensus the article was updated. Since then I added this unchallenged timely [edit]. --Potguru (talk) 04:36, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No remorse, no willingness to concede to work with other editors. Editor desperately needs a timeout, especially considering past trip to ANI. Definitely has a very specific POV agenda and WP:NOTHERE I personally think 6 months is harsh, everyone deserves a second chance, but the nonsense has to end. Lipsquid (talk) 04:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am perfectly willing to accept concensus, as I stated clearly above. Why should I show remorse? I do not believe I am doing anything wrong by insisting every article follow the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. --Potguru (talk) 04:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't think you have done anything wrong, then maybe 6 months is appropriate so you can use the time to figure out how to collaborate on Wikipedia. Lipsquid (talk) 05:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think if you study my interaction with MarnetteD on the Colorado_Springs,_Colorado article specifically you can see that I used the talk page to have a conversation with other editors and we achieved concensus, which was not what MarnetteD wanted. I think this incident demonstrated perfectly my willingness to listen, learn and consider others and concensus in my editing as I learn to work as a newbie in this complicated website. --Potguru (talk) 05:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice if you would stop misrepresenting what happened. First, I wanted consensus to be reached - I have a long history of working with others in situations like this - that is why I took part in the discussion. Next, I was not the only editor to remove your problematic edits as can be seen here. Next, "after" consensus was reached you continued to ignore it with edits like this and this. Most of us work hard to achieve WP:CONSENSUS in situations like this - please do not misstate what happened then or now. MarnetteD Talk 14:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BOLD cannot be used as a carte blanche for POV pushing. Mlpearc (open channel) 04:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These edits are not about my point of view, but about the sourced content. In each and every edit I've made "since march" I believe I have been extremely careful to make edits that follow the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. If I have not, please show me that edit and I will immediately update it. If we all follow the same policy of making sure the articles reflect their sources and that the articles all have Wikipedia:Verifiability you will see my edits are all "correct". If an article says "cannabis" then the cited source must say cannabis but if the cited source says marijuana then the article body must reflect that. Unless there is some rule that we must always use cannabis in a sentence, even when such a use is wrong or unsupported by citation. --Potguru (talk) 05:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Far from calming down Potguru has come to my talk page accusing me of dsruptive editing, after trying to tidy upafter him and doing general linkng changes here. IMO this is just part of a pattern and that he needs to calm down or face consequences right now. He is complaning about my fixing some of his moves from cannabis to marijuana in article titles but he made those changes against consesnsus, and it is this ignoring consensus that has resulted in him being here. ♫ RichardWeisstalkcontribs 05:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect you did not "tidy up", you reverted edits based on no concensus and in all articles you seem to have ignored the talk pages. As I clearly stated on your talk page I think your edits are disruptive and instead of reporting your activities here on this page I followed the policy on this page and brought the issue to your attention directly. Now tell me why did you change the text of articles without first following the Wikipedia:Verifiability or the Wikipedia:Article_titles policy? You just moved [ this page] from Marijuana in Maine State to Cannabis in Maine State yet the article NEVER mentions the word cannabis, instead all the references and text clearly state "marijuana". Your moving the page makes no sense based on the article content. Please explain. --Potguru (talk) 05:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The article was at cannabis for over a year, is based off Legality of cannabis by U.S. jurisdiction and Cannabis in the United States so I'm not sure how you can say there's a consensus for your move so a reversion is fine. I'd say your attacks are not productive. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just because a low interest article sits incorrectly for some period of time does not mean, in any way, that it is "right". There are a whole series of nearly identical articles all created by the same original author all at about the same time and almost all of them use the word cannabis incorrectly based upon the cited sources. What I did is go through the sources to verify the text of the article and low and behold the article text did not match the citation. The Cannabis in Kansas state is a really good example of a bad article. I went through and changed all occuranced of cannabis to marijuana (where they were wrong) and left the one occurrence of the word cannabis alone as it was correct. Then another editor (who is really angry about the issue) came through and reverted all my well considered edits. At almost exactly this same time I moved the article to the more appropriate namespace marijuana in Kansas State. So seeing the edit, rather than start an edit war, I posted very carefully on the talk page trying to achieve concensus. Then, without contributing to that conversation, RichardWeiss moved the article back to the former namespace in what I consider an edit war. (He later commented on the talk page). --Potguru (talk) 06:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Potguru, yu are completely ignoring that this thread is about you. And you didnt have consensus, I checked, as is clear here too. You dont seem to be listening. You need to go and edit other topics for a while until you calm down, I am not being threatened with a topic ban. And the fact that you are so insensitive to the threat you are facing isnt a good sign. If you make a complaint here about me it will be taken as part of your campaign of bad behaviour that brought you here and an insistence on not following advice by taking a break from the issue. This thread is about getting you to calm down and you are refusing and getting more worked up instead. ♫ RichardWeisstalkcontribs 06:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"And you didnt have consensus, I checked" editors are not required to have any concensus when moving an article that is not contentious. The reason I moved the page was that, at the time, the content did not support the article title and moving it was the best way to make sense of it. " getting more worked up instead." I am not getting 'worked up' at all. I am very calmly making my case. I do wish you would revert disruptive half dozen or so namespace moves you have made without a good reason to do so and with little to no support in the body of the articles to support your [hasty moves]. --Potguru (talk) 06:19, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Chill, man. -Roxy the dog™ woof 06:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are misreading policy. You don't need consensus if it is not contentious, meaning a consensus would agree. In this case, you should have known that moving highly edited article titles is going to be contentious. If you really felt that no one would object to this radical change, then this calls your judgement into question, reinforcing the reason you need to be topic banned. Dennis Brown - 13:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose a topic ban for Potguru, it is not cool to disallow a Wikipedia editor to edit certain articles. Please be impartial and look through his edits and his rationale before you decide to jump on the bandwagon of whoever complains first. HempFan (talk) 09:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support topic ban - I'm involved so can't act administratively, but there seems to be more than few over the years that want to war over the name Marijuana vs. the proper botanical name Cannabis, and Potguru has already been given fair warning. Cannabis is a busy topic and we don't need people who can't edit collaboratively editing them. Enough is enough. I would also note that voting to NOT support the ban due to not liking topic bans in general is pretty much a non-vote. This isn't about the politics of Wikipedia, it is about the behavior of ONE editor. Dennis Brown - 10:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have filed this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Potguru, i think there is quite a strong case. Potguru has made over 3000 edits in 4 months, which is a lot for a new user, and his early edits dont indicate a new user. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he isnt a new user. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 14:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given their names, I wouldn't read too much into that. Dennis Brown - 13:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@RichardWeiss and Dennis Brown: Funnily enough, it was that which encouraged me to investigate, Dennis ;) Richard, I've commented at the SPI page. Cheers, FortunaImperatrix Mundi 17:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
there is a distinctly cospiratorial 'us and them' interaction here, with borderline canvassing. Pincrete (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch. Pin Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose topic ban. Potguru seems to mean well, and it is quite surprising that the word "marijuana" does not appear in the lead, or almost anywhere, in the main Cannabis article, so I can see his frustration and confusion as to why some of the edits have been reversed and others do not perceive that some changes may be for the better. It seems that even direct quotes have been changed to remove the "m" word, which does seem to indicate a tilt towards accuracy on this editor's part. Potguru should take it slower, and maybe do an WP:RM at the 'Cannabis (drug)' page to create a wider discussion, which could help to explain his objections and hoped-for-additions. But a topic ban seems a bit extreme for an editor who, from indications, wants to expand reader knowledge on the subject. If everyone backs off a step, and Potguru takes his time, some of what he is concerned about may work itself out.Randy Kryn 14:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
However the Cannabis (drug) article does mention the word "marijuana" in the lead, and the drug article is 'hatnoted' on the plant page. Pincrete (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
True, but the main Cannabis article does not although it mentions other plant-based uses and products. The point I'm making is that Potguru, too, was probably surprised at that and maybe went gung-ho in trying to add things like that in Cannabis pages. He does seem to have some good points, which is why my oppose on the topic ban (although he should be continued to be guided by the Wikipedia project members and not jump full-body into the changes he would like to see). Randy Kryn 14:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you think he should be guided by WP project members and to follow collaboration standards and yet he blatantly says that he is right and that all other opinions on this subject are wrong and he won't stop changing article names. Then how can someone oppose a topic ban? What other choice is there if he isn't going to stop? Lipsquid (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dennis Brown: A topic ban for someone who's right and fighting against silly renaming of all cannabis related articles being renamed to Cannabis (insert use here), is wrong. That's why I oppose a topic ban. You have to understand that some editors, take Wikipedia seriously and do their best to keep other Wikipedia editors from ruining articles. Topic banning such editors from editing articles (or banning them altogether), is wrong, and well, it's Wikipedia's loss at the end of the day. HempFan (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"A topic ban for someone who's right"....and that is where I drifted off. Topic bans are not about who is right or wrong, they are about behavior that is inconsistent with a collaborative, collegiate environment. Everyone thinks they are "right", so being "right" isn't a license to behave poorly. Dennis Brown - 19:19, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well if so, then the burden is on you and everyone else who want Potguru topic banned, to provide valid examples where he has been highly disruptive, because just voting yes to a topic ban doesn't count, it has to be substantiated with examples. From the little experience I've had with Potguru, he's been very collaborative, and totally unproblematic. I also oppose his topic ban for those reasons. Granted, I haven't seen much of his editing history, so it's possible I'm wrong, but from what I've seen, he's been totally professional, and that should count as far as I'm concerned. HempFan (talk) 20:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The issue at hand is about consensus, not burden. I didn't propose the topic ban, I have no burden. Each person participating has their own burden to look closely at his history or don't participate. Dennis Brown - 21:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus, burden, I say potato, you say potahto... Consensus should be reached by providing valid examples, not opinion dropping based on, well, nothing? HempFan (talk) 22:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose topic ban Wait a sec. Why are the articles about Marijuana use/ laws in XYZ State being titled, incorrectly, as Cannabis use in XYZ state? This make no sense! If the sources say "marijuana" then so should article title. Readers are looking for the commonly used terminology, and this odd "cannabis" article title looks like some sort of censorship imposed by WP. Look at Cannabis policy of Colorado- marijuana is used throughout the article, and marijuana is used in the sources. Same with Maine State and Kansas Sate. "Cannabis in Maine State" sounds like it is referring a flora growing season, or some such. Is consensus required in order to reflect the sources and thus make articles accessible to the public?? Cannabis is the genus name of a plant, certain species of which are used to make drugs, (i.e. marijuana). Other species produce "hemp", the seeds of which I can purchase at Costco and natural food stores, here in the USA. The article titles should reflect the sources, please! Tribe of Tiger (talk) 20:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC) ( my mistake, see note below)Tribe of Tiger (talk) 23:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is the same problem that got us here in the first place...please read the legislation ...where is talks about Cannabis that is then sub-defined by MJ and hemp (be that right or wrong) ...why would the title only reflect one sub topic..only makes sense to use the parent term. To quote the Colorado act again In the interest of enacting rational policies for the treatment of all variations of the cannabis plant, the people of Colorado further find and declare that industrial hemp should be regulated separately from strains of cannabis with higher Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) concentrations. “Industrial Hemp” means the plant of the genus cannabis and any part of such plant, whether growing or not, with a Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol concentration that does not exceed three-tenths percent on a dry weight basis. “Marijuana” or “Marihuana” does not include Industrial Hemp, nor does it include fiber produced from the stalks, oil, or cake made from the seeds of the plant, sterilized seed of the plant which is capable of germination, or the weight of any other ingredient combined with marijuana to prepare topical or oral administrations, food, drink, or other product....the act then goes on to talk about what MJ is. its clear....Cannabis is the main term that is then sub-defined by its parts (or lets say THC levels) as MJ or hemp.-- Moxy (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Moxy, I apologize. I see your point (Well, I "saw" it with difficulty! Could you please not use the tiny letters? They are hard to read for us older folk) and have struck Cannabis policy of Colorado from my "oppose" above. An article about a "policy" is different from the articles about Kansas and Maine, to which I still object. Thank you for your courtesy and patience. Tribe of Tiger (talk) 23:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments 1) As far as I could find yesterday, all legal contexts in UK and Europe refer to 'cannabis' in its various forms, resin, herbal (ie 'grass') etc. I presume they do so as 'marijuana' is a less defined term (often used here to refer to the resin only, and more of a 'street term'). So there are consistency arguments for the more formal term, plus cannabis is the main term I believe used in medical contexts. 2) A lot of argument is going on about the definition used by 1 US state, that definition exists for the purposes of that specific legislation only. So long as the article is clear that this is the term used in the legislation, and how defined by them, it doesn't have that much bearing on how WE use either. 3) This ANI is about behaviour not when/how to use either word. There are mechanisms for resolving such matters, where ALL arguments can be put, and 'I/he is right', isn't a very convincing argument. Pincrete (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support topic ban - For the editing habits of this user, be them right or wrong, continued disruptive editing and WP:OWN are the issues. Mlpearc (open channel) 14:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban or Final warning. Comments here and elsewhere strongly suggest this editor is more interested in pushing an agenda than working collaboratively. Some of his science seems muddled, but that is hardly the point. Pincrete (talk) 14:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban too passionate an advocate to work collaboratively. Jytdog (talk) 02:54, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban User has been advocating this change since their start here. That in itself isn't a problem, but once you stop being collaborative then it's time for a ban till you can demonstrate that you will start listening to other's opinions. Valeince (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban per Jytdog. BMK (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban For all the reasons stated above. Editor persistently creates confusion by POV's rather than contributing anything worth while to these articles.--Aspro (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban This has gone on far too long --allthefoxes (Talk) 06:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • After some reading, also Support topic ban Blackmane (talk) 02:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban This is waaaay out of hand, just a temporary topic ban while the editor gets some time to think things over should do them well Anipad68 (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban per Pincrete and Jytdog with whom I concur. Keri (talk) 11:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Talk:Electronic harassment

Very aggressive 87.3.91.177 (talk · contribs), WP:CIVIL/ WP:3RR; basically WP:NOTHERE. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

87.3.91.177 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
87.1.112.55 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
87.6.119.119 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
95.252.92.104 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
82.59.58.103 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This is a rotating IP, aggressively trolling, asking to be blocked. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


User:Staszek Lem - When you report a user here, you should notify them. I agree that the "discussion" is out of control. An effort was made to discuss at the dispute resolution noticeboard, but it failed. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The IP rotates, so Talk page messages have no effect. Diff of their latest: Undid revision 721756007 by MjolnirPants (talk) - me neither you fucking scumbag... I'm waiting for the IP block I've been threatened with - you'll see it will come soon). - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was the moderator at DRN. He is clearly WP:NOTHERE. Block him. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 22:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He really is repeating the same flimsy, WP:FRINGE argument. WP:THETRUTH applies here. If he actually was reasonable to logically debate, and admit consensus is against him, we could help the article. But that's not happening. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 22:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just a fringe argument. It is a self-defeating argument. If everything that he says is true, then he has no reason to try to say it here, because he says that Wikipedia is part of the conspiracy. He is therefore wasting pixels. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note:87.3.91.177 (talk·contribs) Was blocked by @Orangemike: for 1 week for Disruptive Editing (account creation blocked) --Cameron11598(Talk) 00:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In other words if he is still editing under another IP its WP:Block Evasion --Cameron11598 (Talk) 00:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can I also suggest someone checkuser this guy against Jed? Might as well kill two birds with one stone if possible.142.105.159.60 (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • This isn't the first time we've had problems at this article, although my memory is failing me as to the details of the previous problems. I won't yet, but if needed, we might have to semiprotect the article AND talk page. I know this cuts out legitimate IPs, but a day or two may be needed on the talk page if he keeps coming back. The admin tools are rather limited. and that one IP is 87.0.0.0 - 87.15.255.255, which is a huge range, way beyond blocking. I didn't check the other IPs and their ranges, but the point being that a range block isn't going to work here. Dennis Brown - 02:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
previous problems: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive189#Beautifulpeoplelikeyou Jytdog (talk) 02:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jed Stuart says that he is in Australia. The IPs are in Italy. The good-faith assumption is that Jed really is in Australia, and that the IP is someone else. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jed Stuart? Jytdog (talk) 03:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jed Stuart has been involved in the discussion as well as the IPs. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just semi-protect the page, it will get rid of the IP's. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 12:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've semiprotected both the article and talk page, after a complaint at WP:AN3. The IPs listed above don't appear to be the same person as User:Jed Stuart. As noted, trying to stop the inappropriate talk page edits with a range block would not be practical. EdJohnston (talk) 15:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz is accusing me of being a harasser

So yesterday, with the announcement of the recent resignation of an Arbitrator, I noticed in the comments section that @Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz: was talking about GamerGate in the section, calling them "freaktards". I commented that calling them freaktards "doesn't exactly give you the high ground in any way." Eventually two other comments were made and then Guerillero hatted the section which is fine. The hatted section was eventually removed by Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz and they then commented on Guerillero's talk page, accusing me and the other two of being gamergaters and accusing me of harassing people. Now, I don't know about the other two users and I don't care but being called names and calling me a harasser is uncalled for, imo. Originally I commented on Guerillero's page in that section but I eventually went on their talk page and wrote this. Fourteen minutes later my comment gets reverted, and he calls me a Sea Lion.

I hate that this just happened to me and I cannot stand that being called a harasser by someone who is themselves is assuming WP:BADFAITH on this site. I've been on here for nearly eight years and have never been falsely accused of something like I have just now. GamerPro64 17:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh good heavens. Please just leave me alone. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Non-administrator comment)Have you read WP:Harass, this doesn't even come close to qualifying. And he never even once mentioned you in the posts until you went to his talk page. I think you are seeing things that aren't there. See WP:HA#NOT which states " genuine harassment which is meant to cause distress to the user, such as repeated and unwanted correspondence or postings. Like the word stalk, harass carries real-life connotations" the key word there being repeated. Also see WP:AOHA. His original comments didn't appear to be aimed at any one person in particular. --Cameron11598(Talk) 19:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) He didn't mention me but he grouped me with the other two people and called the grouping "gamergaters". He follows that up by saying "their goal is to harass people wherever they can." By grouping me and calling me a gamergater he accused me of harassment. GamerPro64 19:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to have this idiocy factionalism closed before it turns into another pointless screaming match.142.105.159.60 (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some sort of warning/advice/something needs to be given at the least to Jeltz. It's becoming all too common for this kind of smearing to occur. Arkon (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tag him with a {{uw-civil}} and be done with it then. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 21:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I find the comments cited above inappropriate. I've left a note about it. Civility templates are not really the ideal way of resolving this, I think. GABgab 16:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial content added by User:Escravoes

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Can any administrators take some action on this user. This user is known for his habit who like to put nonsense criticism section on every articles he interested. For example like (which have been reverted) this on Kuala Lumpur, this on Samutprakarn Crocodile Farm, this on Malaysian ringgit, Claude Shannon and this on Lawal Kaita articles. Herman Jaka (talk) 05:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposeboomerang on the OP at the Kuala Lumpur article: for making offensive edit-summaries, not assuming good faith, lack of civility, etc; but mainly for his tendentious editing, effectively vandalising the article by removing sourced material (on grounds of WP:DONTLIKEIT), then making tiny edits to prevent rollback, and finally for then bringing this spurious report. Those other refs might need a touch of copy-editing, but again, they are all sourced, and in any case constitute a content dispute which is not the purpose of AN/I. Cheers, FortunaImperatrix Mundi
Support boomerang per fortuna.142.105.159.60 (talk) 00:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and 142.105.159.60 for your boomerang comments against User:Herman Jaka. As Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi had graciously suggested, I had made some copy-editing to the paragraphs. Thanks again and cheers, Escravoes (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Rebuttals against Herman Jaka by User:Escravoes - Don't Call The Kettle Black!

User: Herman Jaka, which part of the content that I posted are, in your personal point of view, controversial or (vandalism as you had threatened me here in your "final warning", especially regarding Kuala Lumpur? Note that the points that I did posted were sourced from major websites; CNN, Huffington Post (Canada) and from several Malaysian newspapers, all of which are cited online and provided as inline references. Your accusations are not only baseless, but they are unfounded and reflected POV color on your part, and there were no intent of vandalisms on my part. Escravoes (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, most of the content added by you has no relevance at all as an enyclopedic content. Most of your criticism addition have been reverted not just by me but other users too who see your addition as not neutral at all. I have given example of some your edits that was reverted for the same reason above. You can ask @Chipmunkdavis: on why your content was removed. Herman Jaka (talk) 05:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Again I asked, (as I did with @Chipmunkdavis:) - which part of the content that I posted are , in your opinion, controversial or vandalism, especially regarding Kuala Lumpur? Your accusation of vandalism are unfounded and baseless and reflected your biased POV-pushing. The ranking of the city are well-documented and sourced from CNN, Reuters, Financial Times London, several major national newspapers and is directly relevant to the encylopedic content of the article, which itself listed several similar rankings prior to my edits!Escravoes (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you are really so obsessed to insert this kind of spammy city rankings [192]. Why don't you give a try to add those too in popular cities articles such as Portland, London, Jakarta, Manila and see whether you get reverted for the same reason or not. Herman Jaka (talk) 02:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User: Herman Jaka, it is not that I am "so obsessed to insert this kind of spammy city rankings" , but rather your biased point of views. If time permits, I (and many Wikipedians) would be happy to provide similar highly credible and verifiable rankings in popular cities articles such as Portland, London, Jakarta, Manila, with no fear of being reverted by those with balanced and neutral point of views. Escravoes (talk) 22:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(non user comment) What? Is that you called WP:NPOV by removing a large chunk of history content and replacing it with rankings? Your contribution are clearly disruptive and you could be blocked for that. 128.90.59.154 (talk) 01:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The violation of NPOV of those section headings in the articles is astounding. The material could be discussed and rewritten but I have no idea what you were thinking when you came up with those headings. Blackmane (talk) 02:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Persistent unconstructive editing despite warnings (follow-up report)

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In their response to my earlier report (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive923#Persistent abuse of categorization by IP), OlEnglish suggested that we watch to see if 76.88.107.122 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) would improve their editing practices.

This IP has not only not heeded the messages from OlEnglish and myself, but has begun repeating edits that were previously reverted. Examples:

  • Cutlass (re-added pirate category, after manual revert by me)
  • Queen Anne pistol (re-added pirate category and non-bidirectional navbox, after revert by KgosarMyth)
  • Walnut pie (re-added holiday category without source, after revert by me)

As I noted in my earlier report, I believe this is the same individual as 76.88.98.65 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), whose similar edits were interpreted as vandalism and was given a short-term block at one point. The editing pattern also matches 24.165.80.219 (talk · contribs · WHOIS).

Either this individual has not read the warning on their talk pages or the edit summaries and is continuing to edit in what they believe to be good faith, or they have read them, but consider other editors to be wrong and will continue repeating their unconstructive edits ad infinitum. (It's also possible they're trolling, but I see no evidence to indicate this level of bad faith.) In any case, I believe a temporary block of at least one week will encourage them to engage in discussion and read the relevant guidelines. Ibadibam (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for two weeks for disruptive editing. Open to review by other admins if anyone disagrees. -- œ 01:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Edit warring and uncited speculation by IP

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Today, User:66.185.43.66 added material to Railway engines (Thomas & Friends) indicating a character "may" be returning [193]. I reverted the addition as uncited speculation [194]. I was reverted by the IP [195]. I then placed a {{uw-unsourced2}} warning on the IP's talk page [196], and reverted the re-addition of the uncited content [197]. The IP ignored the warning, and restored the uncited content again [198] using an insulting edit summary. I've placed edit warring notices and a {{uw-npa3}} warning on the IP's talk page. Other eyes, please. IP has been informed of this thread. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Hammersoft: The user will probably soon be blocked for harassment, as seen in his edit summaries. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Emperorofthedaleks and Steve Boone editor - surname articles

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I have concerns about edits by Emperorofthedaleks (talk · contribs) to surname articles. This came to my attention from his repeated inclusion of Scorsese (surname) in a category of Cornish surnames which I have on my watchlist, and his repeated insertion of uncited claims about "Scorsese" being a surname of English origin. On his talk page he has claimed houseofnames.com as a source, but I rather think this is not reliable. I am also rather put out by his repeatedly linking to my userpage through piped links, as can be seen on his user talkpage. I've had a quick look at some of his other edits to surname pages, and it seems like there is a pattern of uncited nonsense being added by him. DuncanHill (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Confirmation that he received notification of this thread is in this diff where he blanks the conversation from his talkpage. DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See also Steve Boone editor (talk · contribs) who seems to be making related edits. Tag team? Socks? DuncanHill (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maiorana seems to be a particular playground of theirs. DuncanHill (talk) 23:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May well be socks - SPI is an option. GABgab 23:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Emperorofthedaleks. DuncanHill (talk) 23:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted Steve Boone editor's edits on Faiers (due to its use of the same source of dubious reliability) and have temporarily protected Maiorana. The SPI filed above is indeed reasonable. --Kinu t/c 23:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, it's a long time since I filed an SPI! DuncanHill (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Blocking done. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Range block requested for LTA vandal

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I previously requested a range block on this vandal earlier this month. After a period of inactivity, the vandal has resumed activity on a new range, 107.77.196.0/24. It's fairly easy to recognize this vandal: on animated films, the composer is usually changed to James Horner and one of these actors is added to the cast list. These are obviously hoax credits.

Here are a few disruptive IP editors I've found on this range who fit the LTA profile:

Existing range blocks are listed here, along with some more info. Thanks. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've anon blocked 107.77.196.0/24 for a month. Mike VTalk 17:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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GentleCollapse16

This user has been ornery in the past to me, but in response to my recent addition to the article Maxinquaye, he posted comments at the article's talk page, in the section of an archived RfC, deriding my contributions and attacking me ([199], [200], [201]). The RfC that was meant to address a past complaint of his has expired and been considered "obsolete" in its closing, yet the editor has not moved on. Dan56 (talk) 08:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A past ANI complaint was made regarding the editor, claiming personal attacks and aggressive editing ([202]). Dan56 (talk) 09:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And those claims were rejected, with KoshVorlon opining that "GentleCollapse16 is being reasonable", Diannaa saying she "can find no vandalism or personal attacks", and Begoon suggesting the reporter "should withdraw or apologise, or support this with diffs". Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have anything to add on this user's attacks @Boing! said Zebedee:? Dan56 (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Again, @Boing! said Zebedee:, I asked you, do you have anything to say about the attacks the user directed towards me?? Dan56 (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have not examined your current claim, no. My point was simply that you should not try to dig up extra dirt on somebody where it doesn't exist, as it won't inspire people to try to help. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Gandhi's religion

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  • Hello Administrators, I was going through this page and came across few unverified claims (removed them) and few genuine claims that have been omitted citing some vague reasons. The strange thing is that his religion was claimed to be Hinduism with a "citation needed" tag, and in the past editors had reverted his religion from Roman Catholic (which was sourced from The New York Times) to Hinduism (with "citation needed" tag). What was happening?? Following is the flow of events that happened recently;
  1. I was cleaning up the page and noticed that a valid religion claim was reverted.
  2. So I put the claim (backed by The New York Times article) back (replacing "Hinduism" as religion with citation needed tag).
  3. User:Kautilya3 reverts the edit here citing "religions need to be self-declared..."????? I am wondering, how and when did Osama bin Laden self-declare his religion? What did I miss?
  4. I reverted it here with proper edit summary and asking not to engage in 3RR.
  5. Then User:RegentsPark steps here in (within 2 minutes) and reverts my edit citing " blp violations". Messages exchanged on his and my talkpage.
  6. Lastly, User:Kautilya3 reverts all the edits and blanks the religion field totally citing "No unsourced claims in WP:BLP articles". Well, I did provide a source, didn't I?

Are we going against the pillars of Wikipedia???? Whats happening admins; update with credible source is being reverted to make unsubstantiated claims?? I am confused. Please help. Thanks, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 21:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have no idea what administrator intervention this user is asking. As far as I am concerned, I have reverted his addition of "raised as a Roman Catholic" then I noticed that the old content had "Hinduism[citation needed]" and deleted it as well. There is no problem here. The subject's religion seems to be private, and we should let it be private. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not "private" if its been reported in the Times. BMK (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I can't find anything in the NYT's archives which says that Rahul Gandhi is a Roman Catholic. His mother, Sonia Gandhi, definitely is, but that does not necessarily imply anything about her son. Unless there's a clear citation from an impeccable reliable source, the religion should be left blank. And, BTW, this is a content dispute and therefore does not belong here. Please go to dispute resolution. BMK (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threats by IP at Ron Bard

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96.249.223.253 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

IP edit warring, deleting reliably sourced material, threatening legal action.

- LuckyLouie (talk) 19:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Be sure everything the IP is griping about is properly sourced. Like, what is the source for the "Bardnot" version of his name? Also, the "controversy" seems like undue weight. Once those issues are cleared up, if he strikes again, a lengthy block is in order. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 19:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just checked. The Bardnot name is mentioned once in the Forbes article, and the "controversy" section seems to be solely sourced from the book by Joe Nickell. I'll leave it to more experienced wikipedians to judge the properness of the sources. Sincerely, Marksomnian. (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The book by Nickell is published by University Press of Kentucky. Per WP:FRINGE, it's necessary to explain the difference between the fringe view of psychic powers, and the mainstream view. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. The thing that I find concerning, is that he claims to have solved a bunch of murder cases. The example in the "controversy" debunks one of them, but doesn't automatically debunk the others, whatever they were. Hence, possibly undue weight. The larger question might be whether this guy was even notable by Wikipedia standards, or whether the article is (or was) essentially a promo piece. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Undue weight on the scientific skeptical view? Really? I think we don't need to show that the criticism is founded, only that it has been made by a reliable source. Anyway, it's clear the IP wants the article to be a WP:MEMORIAL. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Block the IP per NLT and AFD the article for lack of notability. That'll solve both issues.142.105.159.60 (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I blocked the IP for a very clear legal threat. As to content, yes, verify the claims and edit accordingly, please. Dennis Brown - 22:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Repeated WP:TPO violations by CFCF on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Archive.is RFC 4

User is committing repeated WP:TPO violations by

  1. Policing the Support statement (and enforcing their view by repeated relocation away from context
  2. Removing the context of Replies to the Support section that are challanging supporter votes
  3. Repeating these actions over the objections of other users (See CFCF's talk page for other users objecting)

For these reasons I would like either: A ban for CFCF from touching any other editor's commentary without securing their approval first or a Topic Ban from the page (since they cannot respect Basic rules of the Wiki for the page). Hasteur (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hasteur has now changed the instructions in the RfC to now include instructions as present previously — but as seen in an older version of the page [203] under the Instructions header: it told editors to not post comments in the voting section.
I did not write theses instructions, but with the fact that discussion was already going on in at least 3 places on the page I chose to move a massive comment-barrage aimed at at least 10 users to a separate section, as per the clause in WP:TPO: Off-topic. I did not in any way change the comments, but only moved them to a separate section.
Hasteur did not like this — and when I informed him of the instructions that had been placed there by another editor he chose to remove them diff with the edit comment: Organic discussions are better and this rule prevents them. OBLITERATE
Carl Fredik 💌 📧 19:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only because the Oppose section which doesn't has a great discussion back and forth. In fact the whole seperated Support/Oppose is wrong as it curtails the back and forth discussion that is the hallmark of well discussed RFCs. Hasteur (talk) 19:13, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, you do not get to close a report with an insult. And to the IP editor that undid this edit, how about you give a rationale as opposed to calling it vandalism. --Tarage (talk) 00:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Malfunction with automated rollback

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Were there any recent changes to how automated rollback functions? I am seeing frequent errors reporting "Rollback failed" when in fact it was successful, and it also appears that the [rollback] button displayed by Lupin's recent2.js consistently fails now as well, whereas it was working fine yesterday. While on the topic, does anyone know how to correct the issue with IPv6 addresses not rolling back properly via recent2.js? It has always errored for me regardless of which browser I use. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 20:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about using the twinkle rollback function or the rollback user right function? --Cameron11598 (Talk) 23:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Cameron11598— This is regarding the rollback user privilege, not the Twinkle or otherwise scripted rollback. The behavior of this function appears to have changed for me as of today, am I the only one experiencing this issue? Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 00:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Yamaguchi先生: Haven't had any issues with rollback today, or at all. Peter Sam Fan 00:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Yamaguchi先生: I used it this morning (01:00 pst) and didn't encounter any problems. --Cameron11598(Talk) 00:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Although I did just get it trying to rollback 2 edits instead of just one... --Cameron11598(Talk) 00:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like changes of some sort have happened. You will find a larger discussion about this here Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Rollback function has been changed. MarnetteD Talk 00:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral point of view

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To whom it may concern --

To what extent should we apply a "neutral point of view?" I believe I saw it on this page and reverted it, but a user insists on changing it back by using the word "interesting facts" rather than the original "facts," which I think is the correct way to write this. "Interesting facts" breaks the neutral point of view because other users not knowledgeable cannot agree that the facts are "interesting." I've explained this to the user on my talk page by linking WP:Neutral point of view, but the user has reverted my edit for the fourth time anyways, which breaks 3RR, and I don't want to start an edit war. The user is already harassing me on my talk page. I'm turning here for advice. What should I do?

Here is one diff.

3primetime3 (talk) 02:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neither are correct. An unsourced list of WP:TRIVIA is not in line with the WP:MOS. Either way, the appropriate way to do this is to go to the talk page, discuss it and otherwise try one of the methods at WP:DRR. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Take it to WP:DRN its primarily a content issue. The 3RR could be reported at WP:AN/3RR --Cameron11598 (Talk) 03:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reported to 3RR. We can continue this at the talk page, assuming the IP editor actually engages in discussion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Arsenal FC

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Today Arsenal announced via their official Twitter that Aaron Ramsey would be changing his number to 8. I made this change on the Arsenal page and yet User:Qed237 continues to revert it, suggesting that a club's official Twitter account (a verified and official communication outlet of the organization) is unreliable. Please assist. Wicka wicka (talk) 21:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This might be a better/more clear tweet, idk. There are several. Wicka wicka (talk) 21:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't need an admin, it needs a discussion at Talk:Arsenal F.C. to gain a WP:CONSENSUS. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Just to add my two cents. The section for first team players uses a source which is the official source for that team (http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players). If we were supposed to change his jersey number it would go against that source. Also the number belongs to Arteta until his contract expires (30 June 2016), and Ramsey will get his new number after Arteta is gone if they dont remove it soon like they did for Rosicky. Going for ANI over this, without attempting a proper discussion first makes this thread seem a bit uneccessary and bad faith. The editor just left a single message and did not even give me time to respond before reporting here. Qed237 (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Arsenal have updated their official store as well. I have seen the way Qed237 has behaved in other edit conflicts and I am not willing to pursue this without admin assistance. This edit is unquestionably and objectively correct; to revert it is simply baffling. Wicka wicka (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is starting to be a clear case of WP:BOOMERANG as the reporting editor reverts himself without consensus being formed.Qed237 (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302: Or what do you think? Qed237 (talk) 21:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What about this requires consensus AT ALL? The official news outlets and official store of the organization in question have confirmed this change. It is objectively true and it is done. Would you require wiki consensus to prove the dang sun exists? I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here, dude, and this is precisely why an admin needs to be involved. Wicka wicka (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The editor now even admitted on my talkpage that they wont discuss this (diff). Qed237 (talk) 21:48, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NO DISCUSSION IS REQUIRED, IT IS AN OBJECTIVELY TRUE AND PROVEN FACT. What is your problem? Wicka wicka (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Wicka wicka: Dont WP:SHOUT and discuss like a normal human being instead. Qed237 (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I will stop shouting when you start listening. This is not a discussion, it is not a conversation, there is no debate here. I am suggesting nothing more than that we write the truth. Are you opposed to the truth? Yes or no? Wicka wicka (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How about this: why don't we delete the entire Arsenal page? Wipe it all away and rewrite it word by word, getting consensus on each letter. Would that satisfy you? Wicka wicka (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Wicka wicka:@Qed237: please stop shouting at each other, and take this to the article talk page. It is a content dispute, not a user conduct issue, and a consensus should be formed there, between the two of you and other editors. — Amakuru (talk) 21:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a content dispute. The content cannot be questioned. I am curious as to why Qed237 reverted a proven, true, and referenced edit. That is why I asked the admins for help. Wicka wicka (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: I am not shouting and Wicka wicka made it very clear in this edit and others that he wont discuss this. He is right, and everyone should obey him. Qed237 (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I think it's shocking that this thread was closed before we decided whether this footballer did or did not change his number. EEng 09:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Admin User:JzG refusing to comply with WP:NFCC#9

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Admin JzG (talk · contribs) keeps restoring the page User talk:JzG to policy-violating status despite being warned not to do so, see Special:Diff/721213078 and Special:Diff/721039098. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A pic of himself, on his bike. Pedantic much? -Roxy the dog™woof 11:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NFCC#9 says that no non-free images may be used in the user talk namespace. This includes non-free images of the uploader. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What's the issue with the first one? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 11:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first diff was to show he was warned. BethNaught (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Templating a long-standing user as if he were a newbie is not the wisest approach. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
JzG is unambiguously in the wrong and the image should be removed from his user talk page. BethNaught (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And the OP is unambiguously in the wrong for violating Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. If you treat an established editor like a jerk, you can expect to be treated the same way. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DTTR is an essay, not a policy with legal considerations. I'm not contesting that Stefan handles these matters in the most delicate way and I have criticised him for his methods in the past. But JzG is still wrong. BethNaught (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You contradict yourself. You're talking here about "legal considerations", and below you're saying it's not about legalities. Also, the OP was screwing around with the subject's talk page, which is likewise not collegial behavior. Maybe the OP should be put on ice for a while to think about things. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:USER#Non-free images: Non-free images found on [...] user talk pages) will be removed [...] without warning. Unfortunately, I seem to be more or less the only one fixing WP:NFCC#9 violations, and it would need more users in the area if we also want warnings to users. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one is forcing you to do this work. If you don't like the work (which your attitude suggests), maybe you could switch your focus to something else that needs work. Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates for example. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I tried. Meh. -Roxy the dog™ woof 11:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems overly pedantic since the photo is in use at Velo Vision. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, the OP here tagged an 11-year-old picture File:Triplet-empty.jpg which the subject of the complaint says he took himself. Is OP's hassling of JzG a recent phenomenon, or do they have some history? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 12:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Naa Stefan does lots of work enforcing NFCC regs (sometimes I think the only person). The first picture (just the bike) *was* marked incorrectly so I suspect it flagged up. That has now been fixed. The second picture technically violates NFCC 9, but given its in use as NF pic on an article, it seems unlikely any attempt to take legal action over its use (the primary reason for the NFCC regs) at JzG's talkpage would get anywhere, and overly strict enforcement. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not about whether we would get sued. It's about principles: we are a free encyclopaedia. We only use non-free content for limited uses when it has in particular an important educational purpose. Talk page chat is not that. BethNaught (talk) 12:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • What the OP needed to do, instead of being a jerk, is to ask the admin to put a colon after the two left square brackets. Templating an admin over a 10 year old magazine cover, and having ignored your advice in the past, suggests the OP ought to find something else to do. Such as reading about what happened to Betacommand, who behaved in a similar way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't Betacommand. The OP has had a registered account since 2006. --Jayron32 13:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't rule out it being a sleeper account. No way to test for it technically, so behavior is all we have to go on. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 14:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no. You would more likely be a sleeper account for me. I could explain how patently ridiculous it is that one could think this was Betacommand based on the edit history (not taking into account the behavior, which has a similar intersection of abuse and image copyright compulsion). But no, there's simply no way. Betacommand, for all his foibles, never planned to be banned, and didn't create clean sleeper accounts he kept using continuously for six years in parallel to his main account on the off chance someone would eventually ban him. Just no. --Jayron32 15:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, fine. Then what is it about that (voluntary) job that seems to bring out the worst in those doing that work? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If he's actually in the thing, wouldn't that be grounds for free use? Just out of curiosity. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 12:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, subjects of photographs almost never have any copyright or usage rights. (To do that they usually have to have some sort of contract with the photographer) Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There was me looking for an excuse to bin the wedding photos! Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 12:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Check your wedding photo contract. Wedding photos are one of the exceptions as they are generally work-for-hire. The current standard is for the photographer to retain copyright for a set period of time at which point it either reverts to the subject or they (subject) gain unlimited usage/repro rights. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The image shouldn't be on the talkpage, but Stefan2 do you see how you created/escalated the situation you're complaining about? Let's see:

  1. Looking at File:Triplet-empty.jpg, you must have realized that: (i) JzG had probably uploaded his own photo; and (ii) that it was uploaded more than 10 years ago, when the requirements about image info were less strict.
  2. You could just have dropped a friendly note at JzG's talkpage asking him if it was his own photo and offering to update the information for him if so.
  3. Can you see why the use of the template probably rubbed him up the wrong way? I appreciate the work you do with images, but a lot of users cite this sort of thing as one of the reasons they find Wikipedia an unfriendly/uncollegial place these days.
  4. Then, when the unfree cover photo was used, your response was this. Again, can you see why that got a negative response compared to leaving a polite notice flagging up the issue?
  5. You then edit warred, left a templated warning and promptly started this threat within a 16-minute period.

Now, I'm not saying JzG is right and I don't countenance separate rules for long-standing users and/or admins (NFCC applies to everyone). This a storm in a teacup, but it's one that you started and one you should have de-escalated. Sometimes a softer more measured approach gets better results. WJBscribe (talk) 12:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a picture of me, riding my bike, a bikethat people commented on on my talk page, with my son on the rear seat, taken by Peter Eland, then-editor of Velo Vision at a meet at Salt Aire, and supplied to me by Peter at my request. I put it on my talk page as part of the ephemeral discussion about the image. Frankly, I found Stefan's actions here to be little short of trolling. This is indeed a perfect example of the way Wikipedia policies can be actively hostile even to people who have been here a long time. And we keep changing the rules and demanding new shrubberies. File:Richard-stilgoe.jpg was released to me entirely properly, ten years later I am told I must now submit the email to OTRS, but I no longer have the email because I don't keep absolutely every email I ever received, so it's deleted. No wonder people leave. Commons is worse. Somebody tried to nuke commons:File:Gallery 15233 2536 180213.jpg because they didn't spot that my name (which I state openly) matches the name of the uploader on another site where I also shared it. Yes, I know the copyright rules are there for a reason, but FFS we really do go out of our way to make it as difficult as possible to keep anything uploaded, however unambiguous the permissions might be. Guy(Help!) 13:09, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might mean Saltaire in West Yorkshire? My stomping ground as a teenager.DrChrissy (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you delete your evidence that you have permission, then your ability to use the image depends entirely on the copyright holder as courts tend to rule in favour of the copyright holder if the licensee can't prove that he has permission to use the image. In the case of File:Richard-stilgoe.jpg, also see c:COM:GOF - this was uploaded before 8 January 2006 according to the logs. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for proving my point. Excessively legalistic interpretation of the rules based on a hypothetical challenge that will not happen because the release was provided. Ditto with the bike: just because you don't know the identity of the rights owner doesn't mean that I don't, as the uploader. Excessively legalistic interpretation of rules that constantly ratchet towards an achievable asymptote comes across as arbitrary demands for shrubberies. And your response here indicates that either you don't care or (worse) it's deliberate. I am done with you. I never want to interact with you again, ever. That puts you on a list of about three people in my entire ten year history on Wikipedia. Think about that for a moment. Guy (Help!) 15:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Guy: Do you think Peter Eland would agree to freely license the picture? Since he took the photo, I am assuming he is the original copyright holder. If he agreed to do that, then it would not be subject to the NFCC. Otherwise, I do not see any way to write a valid non-free use rationale for the usage on your talk page which is something required by WP:NFCC#10c. As pointed out the file is currently being used in the Velo Vision article, and it does have a rationale for that particular usage. That stub, however, has been tagged with ref improve since 2009. If by chance it is someday deleted, the justification for the non-free usage of the file will be gone, which means it will probably be deleted per WP:F5. As a freely licensed file, on the other hand, it could stay on your user talk page for as long as you like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Admins are expected to follow policy, in particular when the specific policy is mentioned in the edit summary, but I guess it could have been handled in a better way... --Stefan2 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Stefan2 in the real world, you pick your battles. Dealing with other editors in Wikipedia is the real world. Do you understand that doing stuff like this squanders your credibility in the community? Are you hearing what people are saying to you in this thread? Those are real questions... please do answer. Jytdog (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fwiw Guy seems to know the person who runs the magazine. His edit note here when he removed the first warning that Stefan placed says: "My talk page, my bike, me riding it. Ask Peter Eland if you want evidence of permission for this". (see Velo Vision for who Peter Eland is.) The legal risks to WP are nothing here. This is drama that wastes everyone's time and accomplishes precisely nothing. A little IAR in this particular situation would have been the clueful thing to do. Jytdog (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is it possible that the OP is a long-standing sleeper account of Betacommand? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) Files with {{non-free with permission}} may not be used on user pagesas they are non-free. --Stefan2 (talk)
      • What part of that rule permits you to treat the user like a jerk? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:01, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just my two cents, but the policy seems pretty straightforward. Maybe it should be changed, and that's a fine discussion to have, but as it stands, it seems like a pretty clear violation. Stephan could probably use a little more tact, which is also a fine discussion to have, but is a bit of a separate issue. Overall, it seems like the "they're an admin" or "I know the guy" arguments as defenses are pretty wobbly precedents to set. TimothyJosephWood 13:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's hard to believe that of all the brazillions of images in Wikipedia, that this ten year old magazine cover is the worst offender. The OP here needs to stop behaving like Betacommand, or he's liable to be likewise banished from Wikipedia. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'm not sure whether or not it is the worst offender is particularly relevant. TimothyJosephWood 13:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
              • So, is it a personal vendetta? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                • No idea. But I do think a boomerang and whether the image should be on a talk page are separate issues. And on that note, I'm going to try to do something productive. TimothyJosephWood 13:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                  • The question is, is the image free to use. Simple as that. The answer is no, it's not so it should not be on the page, regardless if the user knows the person or is an admin. If the user knows the person, then get a waiver or something. But whether we agree with it or not, we, and admins especially, need to follow Wikipedia guidelines. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                • Actually, Bugs, when I used to do NFCC#9 cleanup many moons ago (and it is indeed a thankless task, and errors are certainly not limited to newbie editors either), I had a script which produced a report of all the non-free images outside articlespace. I presume Stefan is using the same sort of thing, so it is unlikely to be a personal vendetta. Black Kite (talk) 14:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
                  Would you have treated the editor the way the OP has done? I rather doubt it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Yes, Stefan you are technically correct.
  2. No, Stefan the way you went about dealing with this is not acceptable. A comment out, then a template to a 10-year veteran, then straight to AN/I is not the way to deal with things.
  3. Yes Stefan no non-free images should be used on talk pages.
  4. No Stefan, there is no conceivable real-world implication of this picture appearing there, so AN/I really isn't the place for this.
  5. Yes Stefan it would be nicer to see more people involved in dealing with fair-use on WP
  6. No Stefan, people are not going to be attracted to this thankless task when they see how bureaucratic other editors can be about these things.

Fenix down (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Betacommand often acted like a jerk, but the thing about him that really used to annoy the people that he came into conflict with was that, 95% of the time, he was right and they were wrong. Black Kite (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Black Kite, "right" according only to the most extreme interpretation of the non-free policy. It wastes a lot of time and he does seem to hound people. Whether it really is targeted hounding, or whether he's doing the same to lots of people, I can't tell, but it's depressing to have to spend time addressing positions that lack all common sense. SarahSV (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Selection Birkenau ramp.jpg, the error was that the uploader hadn't provided evidence that the copyright had expired in both the United States and a source country. Necessary (but not in themselves sufficient) conditions for this are that a) the photo has been published somewhere with consent from the photographer (as there is no situation under c:COM:HIRTLE where an unpublished German work from the 1940s can be in the public domain in the United States), and b) the photo hasn't bee published with consent from the photographer (as the photograph otherwise would hit the 70 years from publication rule in {{Anonymous-EU}} instead of the 70 years from creation rule, and the photo remained unknown to the public for several years). Since the uploader hadn't proven that a) and b) both were true, the file was nominated for deletion. But I'm not sure why you are bringing this up here. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a lot of shooting the messenger going on here and it's a bit disturbing. Who's going to want to be a messenger if they get shot like this? Everyone seems to agree that the OP is correct with policy. If you're mad at the policy, do something about the policy, right? But don't shoot the person enforcing the policy..68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem that a lot of editors forget is that NFC is as critical to maintain as BLP, in the eyes of the WMF; it, BLP, and copyvios are the only content policies that have WMF mandates. There are lots of grey areas of where NFC can be used, yes, but there are also a lot of bright lines that must be met as well, and we're supposed to deal with NFC that fall over those bright lines rigorously per the WMF. We need to be 100% sure on copyright ownership before declaring what might be a non-free image as uncopyrightable or PD, and so in a situation like the above, Stefan has every right to question the nature of the copyright chain of custody. They might be wrong, sure, and appear to have been wrong in this case, but as long as they drop the stick w.r.t. that set of images, that's how we should be treating such material. This is not how BetaCommand acted, so the implications that Stefan is BetaCommand are completely unfounded. --MASEM (t) 14:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, these extremist positions about NFC are very damaging – to the policy and to the community. But I note that the extremism doesn't extend to preventing the objectification of women. You recently supported a featured-article candidate that contained a non-free image of a naked woman, one that I would say clearly violates the non-free content policy. But the Auschwitz Album must go, and an old image of a bike on a user page is an outrage. SarahSV(talk) 14:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) Except as long as a credible enough reason is provided, non-free images can be used in articles. The Auschwitz album and the bike image are, as policy is written, not valid uses. The US is clear on how it applies copyright. I disagree with Stefan's *enforcement* of the policy in this (and I would have in the Auschwitz case too) but as per the written policy they are invalid. IAR can be waved for Auschwitz as the collection of photos clearly enhances the project and no one is *ever* going to raise a copyright claim on behalf of an unnamed SS concentration camp guard. Likewise JzG's close acquaintance. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is unambiguously clear from policy that files need a source. Special:PermanentLink/24983809 reveals that the copyright holder releases the file to the public domain, but it doesn't say who the copyright holder is, so there is no way to verify this claim. Such files need to be discovered as soon as possible: if you wait a few years, then the uploader may have left the project, and then it is no longer possible to ask the uploader for clarification. It's a bit unfortunate that it took ten and a half year to spot this, but luckily the uploader was still around, so he was able to clarify this. If the file had been around for another ten years without being fixed, then there's a risk that the file might never have been fixable, if the uploader no longer is around at that time. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, what? I never commented anything about the nature of the image (or the article itself) outside of whether the image met NFCC or not, so to claim that my view doesn't extend to "preventing the objectification of women" is a personnel attack and absolutely unwarranted. NFC is NFC, there are a number of bright lines that have to be met to use such images, and assuring that an image that might be non-free is not presented as free is very much one of those bright lines. Yes, ultimately it was shown that the Auschwitz images are claimed by other authorities to be in the PD, so that matter is settled, but at the time Stefan nominated them, there was a fair question as to their nature. What Stefan did is what anyone should be expected to do if they see a free image that might actually be non-free. (At commons, the only way is via deletion; here en.wiki, we now use FFD to review such images). --MASEM (t) 15:12, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
TIL nudity is sexist. TimothyJosephWood 15:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Masem & User:Slimvirgin, which article and image are you talking about? I normally do not follow discussions about featured articles. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive5 though details on this are otherwise way off track for this matter. --MASEM (t) 19:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • God damn it, this was not an ANI matter. If JzG was indeed intransigent on this cosmically minor matter, Stefan should have just taken it up quietly with some admin. What an incredible waste of time this has been -- time which could have been spent productively.
Stefan's officious attitude is indeed offensive and a problem. In my one interaction with him I was driven almost mad by the templating, answers-which-didn't-answer-the-question, and refusal to engage what I was saying WP:Files_for_deletion/2014_June_4#File:WugTest_NowThereIsAnotherOne_FairUseOnly.jpg. Finally someone else came along and resolved the problem in an instant by pointing to the right policy, and answering the question asked. EEng 15:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:EEng, sorry if I didn't properly explain what the guidelines say at that time. When I get mad at something, I guess I sometimes escalate things a bit too much and don't think of what the best solution would be. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stefan demonstrating poor judgement in resolving issues and templating can be seen in these three posts to me. Each is about an orphaned non-free image. Each file names the academic journal to which it relates (as an image of the cover). Each had a proper non-free rationale. In each case, all that was needed was reversion of explained removal of the image, which should have been obvious. Instead of fixing the problem, Stefan simply dumps a template on my page for me to fix the problem. The value of an editor doing such work rather than a bot is that an editor has a brain and can exercise judgement. Sadly, whenever I see Stefan, I think of cases where information is clearly available but in the wrong form or simple problems which could have been quickly solved. Stefan, JzG is not following policy, but that doesn't put you in the right here. EdChem (talk) 15:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • A serious issue is attitude, which unfortunately is still something of fallout from BetaCommand from ~2009. There are presently over 0.5 million non-free images on en.wiki. There are about a dozen editors that actively maintain NFC, in light of the fact that after the falling out of the BetaCommand case, editors tend to give little fair treatment of those actually enforcing NFC. It's a vastly unappreciated job but one critical to the en.wiki and WMF mission, and the taint of the fallout of the BetaCommand situation has caused many editors to avoid admining that area to avoid getting being treated as if they were BetaCommand. As such, most of these admins in NFC do run their administration mechanically, using templates messages and the like, because that seems to be the only way to get through to most other users, while of course templating circularly leads to the resentment towards NFC and admins that handle that. While I do strongly agree that if all that is wrong with an image is a simple typo fix that is easily determined simply by looking at rationale that the admin should fix it instead of templating, many of the more common mistakes require understanding what the uploader or image user was thinking of when they added the non-free, and that's something that while an admin might guess at, it might be a wrong guess, and it is up to the uploader or reuser to make sure it is correct. (That is one thing that fell out from the Betacommand mess, that the onus on proper rationales, etc. is on the uploader, though admins should use common sense to fix the obvious typos).
    • We do need every editor on both sides, the NFC admin and those using NFC, to come back towards a more personable way to handle NFC, but with the understanding that it is a severely under-admined area that might have to resort to simple shortcuts (templates) to process the situation effectively. --MASEM (t) 16:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • User:EdChem, if a file has been removed from an article, then it is typically a lot easier for the uploader to tell if it is correct that the article is unused or if it should be restored to the article. Also, the sooner the uploader becomes aware that a file incorrectly has been removed from an article, the faster the uploader can restore it to the article, so to reduce the time during which the image is missing from the article, the file should in my opinion be tagged as soon as possible. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hatting: Either inappropriate sockpuppetry or block evasion (don't know which, but doesn't matter). --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • If JzG was in Stefan's shoes, he'd have banned the interloper "long-since", citing 3RR. "I'm just saying", that JzG knows who runs Wikipedia. *He* does, and if he wants to violate a rule, he *can*, he *does*, he doesn't care, and 40 people will line up and defend him, ignoring his hypocrisy and pathologizing the innocent fool (with due respect to Stefan) who had the unmitigated audacity to expect equal treatment. Ditto for when he bans someone-else, but in the other-direction. JzG is violating the 3RR, but 'he is who he is' and he gets to do what he wants. That's how Wikipedia operates and that's why Wikipedia is at-risk of delegitimatizing itself. Stefan had every right to complain, and handling with JzG with kid-gloves is not required. He doesn't own any himself, btw. Back on-point: If JzG knows the photo-owner, great, send him an email, get permission to release copyright, and no problem. There's no special "I know a guy" rule, as in "I know a guy, and he gave me X and he's probably give me copyright over X, since I'm part of X". You either have CR or you don't. That's JzG's logic, and he'd be here ranting if any other uses was behaving as he does. ChickenBoneInMyPonyTail (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I smell feet. Did someone take their socks off? TimothyJosephWood 16:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, if you criticize JzG, it's like having the whole cast of the Walking Dead after you. And I have a survival instinct. ChickenBoneInMyPonyTail (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have updated the article Velo Vision by adding refs, and in doing so discovered that Peter Eland (who apparently took this picture, according to Guy) has retired from publishing the magazine and sold it to a former reader, Howard Yeomans. The fair use image data for the magazine cover being used in the article says that it is Intellectual property owned by Velo Vision Ltd. So isn't Yeomans now the owner of the intellectual property (the magazine cover) in question here?
    • Generally, yes, the sale of a property and all its old content transfer the copyright to the new buyer as well, but its possible there's different terms that allowed Eland to retain copyright, so there's no immediate way to tell without asking. --MASEM (t) 17:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Is it not possible for this discussion to take place at the file's talk page (where efforts to resolve such matters are perhaps best placed)? The filing party acknowledges he didn't handle this very well, and if no actual sanction is going to result, must the discussion here be kept open? Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If by "acknowledging" you mean this dif please look at the three remarks made all at once there. I see "I'm sticking to my guns here" not a frank acknowledgement by Stefan of all the feedback they have been given here. I think this is pretty ripe for a boomerang by now, exactly because there is no sign they have heard what almost every commenter here has said. I was hoping to see them write something like "OK I get it. I withdraw this and will take the criticism I've gotten here on board." Stefan hearing what has been said here, is the one useful thing that could come out of what has otherwise been a waste of time. Jytdog (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More out of control legalism from Stefan2

  • JzG can look after himself. However what happens when Stefan2 tries the same sort of tricks on a new editor?

These:

With aid from RHaworth, this represents one of the worst bits of WP:BITE I've seen. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:08, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Really, this amounts to WP:BULLYING by him. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 18:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you didn't see the comment further down, where copyright holder's information is in the metadata. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • May I motion to close the topic? This is just getting kind of pathetic now. HalfShadow 19:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Postlude

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I feel this was closed prematurely, but whatever. Eight years ago, at WP:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand_2#Role_of_editors_who_specialize_in_image_review, Arbcom stated

8) Editors who review images uploaded to Wikipedia and identify those that fail to satisfy the NFCC or are missing the necessary documentation play an important role in safeguarding the free nature of the project and avoiding potential legal exposure. However, image-tagging rules are necessarily complex, are sometimes subject to varying interpretations, and can be particularly confusing to new editors. Therefore, it is essential that editors performing this valued role should remain civil at all times, avoid biting the newcomers who are the foundation of the project's future growth, and respond patiently and accurately to questions from the editors whose images they have challenged or ensure that those questions are answered by others.

(Bolding added.) Man, we could sure use a dose of that now. EEng 00:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The way to stop the templating of the regulars is for regulars to stop doing stuff that one gets templated for; there's no particular reason the essay Don't template the regulars should be considered to have precedence over the essay template the regulars. Stefan2's major mistake here was picking the wrong forum, they would have been much better off filing at WP:CP. NE Ent 02:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course there's a reason to value DTTR over TTR: DTTR is in Wikipedia space, while TTR is in one user's space. DTTR has been edited by 107 editors and has 92 watchers, while TTR has only 37 editors and 37 watchers. Clearly, DTTR is a more widely accepted essay that TTR is, and represents the views of a larger slice of the community. BMK (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The quality of a painting isn't measured by brush strokes. NE Ent 22:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good thing we're talking about consensus and not art. BMK (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What got Betacommand banished was his perpetual insistence on treating other editors like criminals. And the OP here is headed in the same direction. A compromise solution could be to change the text of the templates to read more like friendly cautions than like subpoenas. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@NE Ent: In the example I posted above, I was template because someone removed the image from the article to which it related, so Stefan templated me to warn of deletion of the now-orphaned image. Stefan's response was basically that it was easier for me to fix because sometimes the uploader is in the best position to decide - an argument with some validity. In my case, however, Stefan had three files all titled along the lines of "Cover of [JOURNAL NAME]" with a non-free use rationale describing use of a low-res file as the image of the cover of the journal for use on the [JOURNAL NAME] page. Was Stefan really not able to figure out the solution (re-add the image, removed with no good explanation? Of course not. However, templating me was easier for him than actually solving the issue. My issue is if an essentially mindless response is going to be taken, cut out the editor and just use a bot. I was templated in the past (repeatedly) by a bot because the standard format for information on a file page changed. I fixed it because, although the information was all there, a bot couldn't have sorted it out easily but a person could (recent posts to Giano are eerily similar, but coming from another editor). I object to being templated as a way of telling me that someone else has stuffed something up and the template-posting editor won't fix it even when the solution is obvious because templating me is easier for her or him than actually looking at what needs doing. EdChem (talk) 03:03, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My comment was directed more towards the "don't template the editors," or, even worse WP:Don't template the admins canard than the specific incident here; the issue of Stefan's approach transcends the template, as indicated by the concerns over the Files for deletion EEng previously linked. Your point regarding the use of an impersonal bot to flag these is a good one -- would you like to take the lead on asking the bot people to produce such a thing? NE Ent 22:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I thought one of the big issues here was that JzG was an experienced editor. Why are we now talking about not biting the newcomers Nil Einne (talk) 21:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • BethNaught mentioned the issue above: "It's about principles: we are a free encyclopaedia". In other words, this report is part of a political campaign to force freedom on all contributors. That's great in principle but the problem is that mindlessly acting as an enforcer of the rules requires certain, shall we say, qualities, and those characteristics often make a user unsuitable for the task. What if the benefits of forcing freedom are outweighed by the problems of driving off good contributors with do what I say and do it now posts on user talk pages? If no one is able to do the job with tact and thought, it might be better if Stefan2 were to find some other hobby. Johnuniq (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't seem to be a useful area of discussion. You will say that forcing freedom is too harmful to be worth it and those people shouldn't he here. Others will say that as freedom is and has always been a fundamental part of the project, the failure of people to follow it would indicate they are the ones who shouldn't be here. As I mentioned above, what started this thread was ultimately a very experienced editor. Both can he called political campaigns or whatever you want. Nil Einne (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of what started this thread, Stefan's hamhanded, bossy, and I-don't-have-time-to-pay-attention-to-what-you're-saying approach has been a problem for years, and that's what we're discussing now. EEng 02:57, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draw near, new editor, that you may learn from these WP policies conveniently arrayed about me!
We get lots of new editors. They just don't stay. EEng 03:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thats because over the years Wikipedia has attracted a huge number of policies and rules which inhibit 'enjoyment'. It takes a special type of person to find enjoyment following an overly bureucratic process, and most newbies once they encounter Wikipedia's rules (usually as a result of doing something obviously wrong) just go 'no thanks'. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's because over the years Wikipedia has attracted too many editors who seem compelled to follow every policy, guideline and essay strictly and with complete and utter rigidity, never using their judgment and intelligence to determine when it's good to be strict, or better for the encyclopedia to break free and do something wild, like actually improving an article instead of worrying about rules, rules, rules, rules, rules. To not become that kind of place is precisely why we have WP:IAR, but IAR has become so watered down over the years that one can almost never invoke it without prompting a hue-and-cry: "No, you can only use IAR to do X", "No, IAR doesn't apply if there's a previous consensus," "No, MOS overrides IAR," "What the hell is IAR?"
Editor retention isn't about babying newbies, or about the new gadgets and gee-gahs that the Foundation loves to throw into the software, it's about being serious about making the best damn online encyclopedia possible, one that is accurate, readable, visually interesting, and informative, and showing new editors that that is what we're about. All this other stuff: the drama boards, tagging, user warnings, dispute resolution, ArbCom, and all the talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, is the huge tail which is now in real danger of wagging the dog.
If we show new editors that we are dedicated to building an encyclopedia, the good ones will see the value and fall in line, and the bad and useless ones will be culled or just fade away. Remember, not every editor who joins is one that we need, or want, to retain. BMK (talk) 04:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
People who forget that guidelines are to be applied with common sense
Amen. As you yourself wrote [205]:
The flip side of "ownership" is the problem of editors who come to an article with a particular agenda, make the changes they want to the page according to their preconceived notions of what should be, and then flit off to their next victim, without ever considering whether the page really needed the change they made, or whether the change improved the article at all ... Their editing is an off-the-rack, one-size-fits-all proposition, premised on the idea that what improves one article, or one type of article, will automatically improve every other article or type of article.
EEng 04:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No Heels.jpg

Yet even more out-of-control legalism from self-appointed image patrollers

Now the image at left has been nominated for deletion "discussion" -- WP:Files_for_discussion/2016_May_25#File:No_Heels.jpg. This is getting beyond ridiculous, and the entire image-patrolling machinery needs a good housecleaning. EEng 13:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not nominated for deletion. It's up for discussion on whether free or not. I was against the merge for reasons like this, but all the image discussion venues (NFCR, PUF, etc.) have been merged to (formally) Files for Deletion, now named Files for Discussion. Being listed there does not mean that deletion is the result, but to determine if the image should be handled as non-free or not. Since this is the only venue now for such discussions, its completely appropriate to validate the situation there. --MASEM (t) 14:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion, discussion, whatever. The original work (the sign itself) is obviously a trivial pictogram, and the photo from which this file was derived (by cropping) was appropriately released. This should never have been listed for deletion, discussion, whatever, period. It should have been left alone so editor time could be productively used elsewhere. (And even if there's a concern, it should have been attached to the original uncropped image. As things are now, presumably after this nomination's handled, at some point someone will stumble on the uncropped version, then more time can be wasted scrutinizing that...) More common sense is needed in patrolling, and that's what we should be doing something about here. EEng 14:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"There is no such thing as a stupid question". It is 100% fair if one is unsure (and no prior conversation to point to for review) to ask if a free image is really free (and in fact, we should be making sure of this for images that are tagged free - en.wiki should not be mistagging a non-free image as free). Asking on the file's talk page is a very narrow space with almost no watchers, so a venue that has the eyes of people aware of image copyrights and the like make the most sense. It's just unfortunate that the space that it is in was formerly known to be where images were sent for deletion discussions, because it creates a stigma that the discussion is about deleteion. And image copyright and all the issues around it are not simple; it's not a straight-forward checklist that has objective determination. So complaining about this situation is extremely bitey. --MASEM (t) 15:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. So it isn't nominated for deletion, but may or may not be free. If it isn't free, a free version should be found, because it is a caution used on playgrounds with synthetic surfaces in the United States and may be needed to illustrate an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the point others are making regarding patrolling, but in this instance, if the sign is widely used in the US, wouldn't the easiest way to solve the problem be for a wikipedian to take a photo of the sign and then upload it to commons as their own work? DrChrissy (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest you get a camera and find a playground then. Although given the average age and gender of wikipedia editors you might want to wait til the kids have gone home to avoid problems. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I've noted at the FFD discussion, as a US pictograph, the image would easily fall under the Threshold of Originality, meaning it can't be copyrighted; at minimum, a SVG version of the sign could be made as a free image, but I have no reason to believe the current image in question is a problem. I do want to stress that it is completely fair for editors to question if we are properly assigning possible unfree images as free, just to make sure we have proper licensing - its just unfortunate that consensus decided to merge all those types of discussions to FFD as to give the impression that any discussion there is about image deletion. --MASEM (t) 14:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, what's unfortunate is that some image patrollers (not all) don't seem to put their brains in gear before they act, nor do they actually fix entirely simple and self-explanatory problems (you know, what an editor should do), preferring instead to tag the image or the image-uploader. Much of the brouhaha in the connected thread above would not have occurred if even a scintilla of thought had gone into the actions described there, instead of the patroller acting robotically without consideration of all the relevant factors. Although, as Masem says, its reasonable to ask questions of images to determine whether they are free or not, such questions should not be being asked by long-time image patrollers in obvious cases where they should know whether it is or not just by looking at it, thus saving everybody time and energy. BMK (talk) 00:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And yes, Masem, there are indeed stupid questions. BMK (talk) 00:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
When it comes to copyright, I strongly disagree that there are stupid questions, unless the question has clearly been asked before and the answer documented. The infinite variations that involve date of creation, date of publication, date of creator death, appropriate markings, foreign copyright terms, the effect of the URAA, the different treatment of TOO and FOP across nations, etc., make the determination of whether an image is PD, copyrighted, or something else far from a trivial question. The above image, for example, I know now is clearly TOO in the US but say 7-8 years ago before getting into image copyrights, I would have doubted that could fall under the TOO. There are obvious cases, yes, but they are far fewer than you imply. Media copyright is one of those critical areas we need to be right on as best we can and can't afford to be wrong. --MASEM (t) 04:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please save the hyperbole. Of course we can afford to be wrong, that's exactly what "fair use" is all about, and why our NFCC is more restrictive then fair use is, so that if we slip up, we're still legally covered. That kind of dire attitude is, I'm afraid, part of the problem. We should certainly take it seriously, just as with any copyright violation, but it's not the death knell of Wikipedia if someone makes an honest mistake. I think the feeling of image patrollers that they're carrying the fate of Wikipedia on their shoulders may be part of the problem here, since it generates a "do or die" attitude that's unpleasant and lacking in AGF. I'm all for deletion of copyright violations (of all kinds, and image patrollers could learn a lesson or two from User:Diannaa, who deals with many text violations in an efficient, firm, but pleasant manner), but I wish some image patrollers had more common sense then they seem to, because they make working with images more difficult and noxious for the uploader than it needs (or is required) to be. BMK (talk) 01:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Just dropping a note that ArbCom statements/findings are not resolutions (to be quoted). --QEDK (T C) 18:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy Russian users in order to hide the facts about Russian crimes.

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Americans! Please to you to pay attention to this conspiracy Russian users (User:Gerry1214, User:Ymblanter), which aims to hide the facts of provocations and crimes of the Russian special services. Some of the Russian participants of Wikipedia's work on Russian secret services. They removes and distort the facts. They do everything that the society did not know that the Russia - a gangster terrorist country. In the article Criminal case Lisa F. they remove information from authoritative sources about provocations arranged by Russia in Germany (and Russia do the same provocations throughout Europe and this is a fact). Please help me to kick these enemies of humanity from the Free Wikipedia or at least, do not give them to distort the facts. Sorry for my English. ---SmartXT (talk) 08:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we probably need to finally return to the question whether Caucasianium (talk·contribs), whom I blocked indefinitely, is indeed a sock of SmartXT.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, this editor does not seem to be here to build an encyclopedia... --Tarage (talk) 08:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not Russian (not that it would matter either way), but the OP's characterization of Russia as a "gangster terrorist country" is hardly civil discourse.JordanGero (talk) 08:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
2 JordanGero. You maybe not Russian, but why do you behave like them? Where, in the article I wrote that Russia is a gangster terrorist country ??? Discussion of the article and the article itself - it is not the same. ---SmartXT (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
JordanGero, are you behaving like a Russian? Not again! Doc talk 09:56, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is clear revenge action of a user, possibly sock puppet of blocked user:Caucasianium. The editor tried to push its politically motivated POV into the article, was reverted and warned by several users. Then user:Caucasianium appeared, doing the same. I discussed every move, tried to clarify it on the talk page, which the user also didn't want to do. I was insulted instead (by Caucasianium). User:Caucasianium was quite rightly blocked by admin User:Ymblanter (and warned by another American (!) user). I recommend to closely check politically motivated actions of User:SmartXT, without distinction of nationality.--Gerry1214 (talk) 08:56, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see that SmartXT adds exactly the same POV text (1790 bytes) which was previously added by Caucasianium and reverted by several users. Before Caucasianium, if was added by SmartXT. Probably SmartXT should be blocked as well, but I obviously are going to leave it to a different administrator.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes well any country that shoots down civilian airplanes with SAM's cannot possibly be a terrorist state..... Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Or use Agent Orange :) Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 10:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well to be fair, Agent Orange was entirely directed at foliage, it was not intended to directly harm humans (only indirectly cause them to starve etc). Besides, we British had used the same tactics a decade earlier. No one really thinks blowing up civilian Jumbos is a good idea. Except terrorists. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]
Or annexation the territory of another country, the genocide of neighboring nations and nations, whose lands captured by Russia(Caucasian War, Red Terror, Operation Lentil (Caucasus), First Chechen War, Second Chechen War, Holodomor, Soviet famine of 1932–33, Ethnic cleansing of Circassians, Deportation of the Crimean Tatars) ---SmartXT (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Or the British Empire, particularly the massacre of the peaceful pygmies at Umboto Gorge, where we stole all their weapons and made a giant fruit salad. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 10:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WE? Who you are? Are you Russian? ---SmartXT (talk) 10:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Niet. London-Irish. Straight outta Kilburn. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 10:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If ask ordinary Russian(who supports the Russian government) - Why are you committed a crime?, They will answer: the Americans (the British) also commit crimes. ---SmartXT (talk) 10:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we've got an article on that somewhere; can't remember what the phenomena was called though. FortunaImperatrix Mundi 10:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And you are lynching Negroes--Ymblanter (talk) 10:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Spot on, well caught Ymblanter. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 10:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely. Even if this user had a long and good contribution history, these are obviously unsubstantiated claims of personal behavior, which WP:WIAPA calls personal attacks, so I'd have blocked for that. Nyttend (talk) 11:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see User:Therealshannon/sandbox

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User:Therealshannon is apparently upset about something related to his/her identity/name rights. I'm not sure what to do about it so I'm passing the buck here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is she claiming to be Shannon Greene? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 11:06, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed. In this edit requesting the removal of that template she kept removing until she got the page locked, she says, "I'm the Real Shannon, Grammy Nominated, Int'l Recording Artist, Queen of Dance, Electronica and Freestyle." RunnyAmiga (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first thing I thought was how one character on The Office introduces himself to everybody he meets as "Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration." Like, after a while, we get it. Either way, this user is ripe for either a block or a much heavier warning than she's gotten so far because she seems ready to go on a rampage. RunnyAmiga (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It might actually be possible (albeit unlikely) that she has a fairly comprehensive Trademark for 'Shannon' in music worldwide, however trademark law would not apply in this case. If someone explained to her in short sentences exactly why (even should she have the trademark rights to it) it doesnt matter, she might get the hint. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is not possible to have a trademark on a widespread personal name. I very much doubt that this really is Shannon Greene, it's far more likely to be some silly troll, but either way, she or he is clearly not here to contribute to the encyclopaedia, and I have blocked the account. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Howard PF Cox

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He has been attacking the admin JamesBWatson, and sent me this: [206] . ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 11:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He's been blocked by User:Deb. Did you see the poem? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 11:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I expect he would call it modernist.Deb (talk) 11:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, rather nasty poem. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 11:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you are to compose an insulting poem, at least make the poem decent. I blanked the page due to WP:NPA. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 11:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Way to impersonate Favonian Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 11:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a persistent troll who has used numerous accounts for the same kind of nonsense over a period of months. Presumably he or she will eventually grow up. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm sorry that you had to deal with that. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 11:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Revoke his talk page access. @Oshwah:ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 11:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wots Oshwah got to do with it? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 11:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He mentioned him in the poem. It was something that I will not repeat. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 12:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, joy. He always seems to have it out for me :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:02, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Persistent promotional intent

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Longterm promotional account, with persistent removal of templates. User has not responded to questions re: COI or paid editing, but has continued on their way. I've included some articles to which they've contributed, usually in the form of unsourced or poorly sourced public relations rot. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have been involved in a COI case about her in the past. She is clearly WP:NOTHERE, admins, please block her.ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 17:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and I've issued warnings and reverted her edits before, under different IP addresses. Thanks, and thanks to Drmies for taking a good look at a number of these articles. 2601:188:1:AEA0:55AC:8A2A:E366:81E1 (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is such a random collection of vanity-ish articles that yeah, I think we're dealing with a paid editor here, and not a very good one. I've deleted and PRODded a bunch of them, but I'm not in a blocking mood. Drmies (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having extensively examined Aliciadewi's editing history, including deleted editing, I am totally certain that she is here for the sole purpose of promotion, and since she has edited on different and unrelated subjects, it isn't a case of promoting one topic she is interested in, it's a question of being a professional paid editor. She has been informed of all the relevant points, such as the policy on promotion, the requirement to disclose paid editing, and the conflict of interest guideline, and has been warned that continuing in the same way might lead to being blocked, and has ignored all that and continued in the same way. I have therefore blocked the account. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Much appreciated. At Christian Massa, the edit history suggests other promotional, if now dormant accounts, with one even claiming to represent the William Morris Agency. I haven't gone through all the articles, but wouldn't be too surprised if more such accounts turn up. 2601:188:1:AEA0:55AC:8A2A:E366:81E1 (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Editors Rocknrollmancer and doncram

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The editor Rocknrollmancer

As the Wikipedia editor User:agljones, the editor User:Rocknrollmancer has made repeated personal comments including a racist remark and continues to make personal remarks after being asked to not to do so. I have been asked by the editor User:Rocknrollmancer to retire my current user name and give an undertaking not to edit any Wikipedia article. I have also been asked to not to edit any article in the general Isle of Man network of articles.

The User:Rocknrollmancer has made allegations of a bullying campaign and has made this comment about my editing as “....he has historically been allowed to unilaterally control through attrition and bullying….. fighting against an obsessive, controlling individual on this particular edit-sequence, and eventually all Isle of Man articles...” [207]] and “....this type of bullying owner of articles detracts from the pleasure that editing Wikipedia should be....” Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Racism

Also, the User:Rocknrollmancer has made allegations of editing on Wikipedia as “…. a controlling, complete reprobate, a partisan, pro-Manx editor who does not intend to allow neutrality which could show the IoM (Isle of Man) in a bad light.....” [208] The term used by the editor User:Rocknrollmancer of “ Manx” or “Pro-Manx” is the incorrect use of the Demonym for a person from the Isle of Man. The term “Manx” should only be used for the Manx language or a person with the distinctive Celtic/Scandanvian heritage or Manx people rather as a demonym. The term “Manx” is used as a pejorative, derogatory or racial term... and the term “Manx” is listed on the Wikipedia page [[209]] as a “....Inbred….Sheep-shagger….Webfeet.... (from the supposed frequency of inbreeding mutations among the Manx)." The Urban dictionary also describes the term “Manx” as “....A slanderous term that should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances due to its very high level of insult.....” [210] However, administrators may see that this may be an incorrect use of a demonym. Although to be described as an editor as “complete reprobate, a partisan, pro-Manx ” would suggest that the term was not used as demonym particular when used with the term “partisan” and “reprobate.” Furthermore, the term is used again by the User:Rocknrollmancer and I am again described as “....a partisan /pro-IoM (Isle of Man) singularly-motivated , one-topic individual who thinks he can do it better than anyone else….” [211] There has also been a tacit admission from the User:Rocknrollmancer about the ‘racist’ complaint when he has stated on his talk page that;- “…..agljones 'racist' complaint...really is puerile, despicable and clutching at straws. If agljones succeeds in having me sanctioned or blocked, as stated earlier, it matters not as I've already stated my intention at least twice elsewhere that I am drifting-away in any case….” Rocknrollmancer (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC) [212][reply]

BRD Isle of Man TT Races article

The User:Rocknrollmancer has raised a [of Interest (COI)] WP:COI in respect to the Isle of Man and Isle of Man TT motor-cycle network of articles on Wikipedia on the 15 July 2015. This has been used as a tactic of Gaming the System by User:Rocknrollmancer after an unsuccessful attempt to block a successful Sock- puppet appeal after excessive campaigning by the user User:Rocknrollmancer and the User:Doncram. This COI is regard to the edits to the main Isle of Man TT article and which the User:Rocknrollmancer has described as that the “…..editor agljones has waged a concerted war against me from May/June 2014….” Rocknrollmancer (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC) This is incorrect as the User:Rocknrollmancer repeatedly ignores rules about verifiability and providing citations for amendments or corrections. Also, the User:Rocknrollmancer has used the edit summary box to by-pass the Isle of Man TT talk:page or any potential BRD discussion. Despite the personal comments, accusations of bias, Conflict of interests, neutral point of view...etc., has not made any attempt to entry this BRD for the Isle of Man TT [[213]] discussion which relates to the editor User:Rocknrollmancer ingnoring the rules of independent notability WP:N and the use of unreliable citations.[reply]

Further Personal Comments and allegations

In this deletion log [[214]] the editor R has made this personal comments including the use of a made-up comment term of "....one-strip editor...";-

"...Agljones did what he saw fit. He has been allowed to assume complete control of any IoM article, contrary to WP:OWN witnessed, self-confessed, at Talk:Windy Corner, Isle of Man#RfC: Proposed merge to Snaefell Mountain Course where he displays resentment of other editors' contributions and differing styles. This is contrary to Wikipedia fundamentals. My work is seldom reverted or deleted, but I guess I could list 20 such total deletions by @Agljones: ....Passively allowing a one-stripe editor like agljones to exercise dominance over such articles as Snaefell Mountain Course has already resulted in text-walling; incorporating more articles will just worsen readability. There is no restriction on server space - all the past versions are kept, albeit some are hidden - so why the obsession with what was intended to be deletion, of many articles, per se?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Life on Mars Comment by Rocknrollmancer

The editor has made this comment in respect to "Life on Mars." [[[215]]

"....I just chanced upon this (as I wanted a wikilink and new that it could be easily found at agljones contributions) AGAIN I'm reading "After I had completed the rewrite.." WP:OWN and "differences in editorial styles" WP:OWN AGAIN. We can see agljones' text-walling style in any of the articles and here above - overwhelming verbosity - time for a radical precis, which he calls "sub edit". Who wants and decrees many page-downs? WP:MOS?? I have largely abandoned these IoM topics due to controlling participants, but "and the addition of poor (personal) racing photographs which Wikipedia has certain rules about graphic design elements of Wikipedia articles and the position of photographs..." Commons policies of free-for-all has produced very little choice and we have to be grateful - that applies to any subject. Same controlling tendencies, same tub thumping rhetoric...Life on Mars (time travel TV show for the US readers), Time Warp, Deja Vu??? Time to move on, and ALLOW other contributors to participate without unilateral control???!!!!"--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I found this comment distressing, upsetting and replied in the context of the term used by Kate McCann:- "....same tub thumping rhetoric...Life on Mars (time travel TV show for the US readers), Time Warp, Deja Vu??? " I am not sure how to respond(what does that actually mean ??).... If there is an issue then you can take it the matter to arbitration and do not resort to personal comments. In respect to the TV series Life on Mars the issues were more than just about time-travel..........(Wikipedia states....the " plot centres on the ambiguity....it being unclear to both the audience and the character whether he has died, gone mad or into a coma, or has actually travelled back in time." The term "Life on Mars" in the context of the TV series was also used by Kate McCann after being arrested as an Arguida (Portuguese defendant - USA Person of Interest / hostile witness) by the Portuguese Polícia Judiciária after the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine McCann. In response to rhetoric, the approach to articles has been conservative and respectful.... "

Spurious Conflict of Interest declaration

The User:Rocknrollmancer on the 24th May 2014 with the comment in the edit history [216] of “rvt with clarification, deletion of prose + 3 sources by IOM resident appears partisan non-neutral COI (speed power walls trees kerbs are incomparable). “ Wikipedia rules does not allow COI to be used as a “trump card” in reverting or making any edit and makes no distinction that a particular editor lives in certain area and residences in a particular country does not requires a COI deceleration. Wikipedia rules are clear on this point WP:ACTUALCOI and for example;- “A company owner has an actual COI if he edits articles and engages in discussions about that company. This is strongly discouraged.” As I am not the owner of the business rights of the Isle of Man TT or own any associated business franchise there is no COI. The Wikipedia editors User:Rocknrollmancer &User:Doncram are aware that I am not the “company owner” of the Isle of Man TT and both have posted a request at the “who owns, runs, and officially reports on IoM TT racing” found on the Isle of Man TT talk page dated 19th & 21 June 2015 respectively. [217] (This actual information can be found on Wikipedia but the two editors User:Rocknrollmancer &User:Doncram are more interested in perusing the COI claim)

The editor User:Rocknrollmancer has made this spurious edit [218] asking for a conflict of interest declaration and not making it clear that any CoI deceleration is voluntary which is required by Wikipedia.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST DECLARATION REQUESTED
Will Agljones please confirm:
If he is currently remunerated by the IoM Government, either directly or indirectly?
If he was previously remunerated by the IoM Government, either directly or indirectly?
Any other potential Conflict of Interest or promotional activity involving the Isle of Man not included in 1. and 2. above, including unremunerated?

Tthere is no COI declaration required and Wikipedia considers spurious COI declarations requests as harassment and suggests editors to “politely ignore requests.” Furthermore, Wikipedia states that that the overriding consideration in respect to COI decelerations is that “When investigating COI editing, be careful not to reveal the identity of editors against their wishes. Wikipedia policy against harassment takes precedence over this guideline.” WP:CONFLICT. This has been followed by the comment [219] by the editor User:Rocknrollmancer;- "...agljones should do us all a favour, permanently retire the account and agree never to edit Wikipedia again. This would avoid a lot more inconvenience for all concerned..."

The editor User:Rocknrollmancer is required by to be banned from making edits on my personal talk-page due to lack of civility and a racist comment and banned from editing the main Isle of Man TT article and the other articles in the Isle of Man TT network of articles.

The editor doncram

The editor User:doncram up to the 11th May 2016 was placed by Wikipedia on indefinite general probation for misusing Wikipedia, for lack of civility to other editors, misuse of list articles, edit warring and forcing opinions on other editors. From the 11th May 2016 the terms of that probation have been rescinded, but the editor User:doncram has an indefinite ban on editing the historic list of US places article. Prior to the 11th May 2016, the editor User:doncram has misused Wikipedia in the Isle of Man motor-cycling network of articles. The editor User:doncram has made repeated personal comments on my talk-page, made ‘veiled threats’ and indulged in a general lack of civility after not being asked not to do so. Also, my edits as editor User:agljones on the List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course talk page have been repeatedly broken-up, repeatedly hatted, subjected to unexplained collapses, one unexplained edit conflict and again subject to personal comments and ‘veiled threats.’ The comments on the article List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course were then unnecessary archived by the editor User:doncram.

List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course

The editor User:doncram on the talk-page for the article List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course has repeatedly been asked to address the issue of article independent notability WP:N and also for the article list as required by Wikipedia rules but has failed to do so. In respect to the article List of named corners of the Snaefell mountain Course and I have written as a conclusion by the work of the editor User:doncram:[220]

"...Conclusion. Overall, a very poor performance and not acceptable for Wikipedia and a number of areas have to be addressed...However, overall a badly conceived idea very badly executed. The use of US informal speech overlapping British-English styles is a particular bad problem to the extent that it may suggest an internet translator has been used. The poor use of written English in the formal context of Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia is just not acceptable. Many of the Wikipedia technical issues have not been addressed such as the paragraphs in the executive summary, issues of notability, issues of bias, issues of original research and issues in regard to neutral point of view. It is not acceptable to rely on other editors to have to work on such a badly written, badly executed article which duplicates information in a form of stacked articles which will eventually cause further AFD nominations. The issues with photographs is a particular bad problem and not understanding the new style marker boards and milestones posts. The issue of copyright of photographs has been misunderstood as perceived copyright expiry does not diminish ownership of photographs or commercial copyright issues including fee payment. Overall a waste of time and the list has not reached some of the more technically difficult areas..."

Reply from editor doncam

This is reply from User:doncram and please note the profanity and redacted comment;-[221]

"...About me summarizing your perspective as you are disrespecting the list-article in its current condition, it is absurd for you to suggest that ::is wrong. You object to me stating anything about what you "'like' or dislike" or saying you "disrespect" anything. But you do disrespect it! You ::find nothing positive to say about it and you dismiss practically everything about it ... you yourself summarize it as a "very poor performance and ::not acceptable for Wikipedia". What the f*** do you mean', am I supposed to understand that as an expression of approval or respect??? " ::doncram 06:28, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

This is my reply to the redacted comment (actually now hiding serious profanities behind ******)[222]

"....Do not make repeated personal comments. Do not use comments such as “disrespect” for as in British-English this is only seen as the literal meaning of the word which would suggest lack of a courteous manners which is not been the case. I have followed the Wikipedia "three-strike rule" and other suggestions about replying to all questions.... The word “disrespect” in the manner you suggest is only used in European or Latin-American Spanish, Brazilian-Portuguese or in US informal speech patterns or slang. Do not make personal comments and hide expletives behind asterisks (*****)...."agljones(talk)23:17, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Crying Wolf accusation

A further personnel comment from doncarm and note the term "crying wolf " .....So it seems like crying wolf. If actionable suggestions are included, they're lost within all the verbiage." --doncram 04:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC) [223] I have replied ".... Rather than just verbiage there is a long list outstanding corrections. If they acted not on promptly then I will challenge with sources and remove them. Again do not make any further personal comments and "crying wolf" in British-English is an accusation of sexual deviance." agljones(talk)13:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[224]

Veiled Threats

The editor User:doncram has repeatedly made veiled threats and in this edit [225] has said "...I've made a lot of effort to try to communicate with you, but it's gotta be a two-way street. Depending on how you respond, maybe this is heading towards requiring use of Wikipedia's dispute resolution processes'.... --doncarm 22:55, 27 March 2015 " This Veiled threat has been been repeated again with this comment "....To be clear, this is not a "threat", i am just informing you that I will open an administrative action and explicitly request your being banned. I won't back down if you choose to "cooperate" a little bit now, say by deigning to reply one or two times at a Talk page; anything now would be too-little too-late. This is a courtesy notice just to inform you, from me as an adult person to you as another, so you won't feel blind-sided....I do appreciate your many cumulative contributions of photos and writing related to Isle of Man TT topics, and I believe you are highly intelligent, informed, and no doubt a nice person. It's just that the non-collaborative behaviors have gone on too long and are unacceptable IMO. Sincerely, --doncram 19:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC) [226]

The editor User:doncram has repeatedly redirected other articles to this article list, despite a requirement by Wikipedia for an independent article to exist. In the Isle of Man TT network of articles again forcing his opinions on other editors over article content/independent notability to support his own policy in the development of the list including the inclusion of nonsensical comments or sections that conflict with the original articles, the use of USA technical terms not found in British-English and an emphasis on misleading, whimsical and flippant quotations along with a strong bias to US-internet citations that are questionable sources.

Meat-puppetry

The Editor User:doncram has engaged the Editor User:Rocknrollmancer in initially what Wikipedia administrators may see as a borderline low-level meat-puppet activities more common with new and inexperienced editors. However, there has been off-Wikipedia communication initiated by editor User:doncram with editor User:Rocknrollmancer . The position in respect to the racist comment made editor User:Rocknrollmancer the editor User:doncram made this comment ".....Please don't be bothered by ridiculous assertions of a blocked editor about you (and me) at his Talk page. Contriving to twist the term "pro-Manx" into a racist expression is nonsense. Let me say for you, so you don't feel you have to reply: it is nonsense! It is nonsense for anyone to assert Rocknrollmancer has ''any iota of racism.... " [227]] This comment shows meat-puppetry between the two editors User:Rocknrollmancer and User:doncram and a tacit admission of this relationship has been recently be given by the editor User:doncram at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of named corners of the Snaefell Mountain Course article. Both editors User:Rocknrollmancer and User:doncram at this deletion article have resorted to campaigning and team-tagging. In particular the editor User:Rocknrollmancer has again raised the same issue of sock-puppetry which the editor User:doncram has also previously commented on.

As with editor User:Rocknrollmancer, the editor User:doncram is required to be banned from my talk-page and also the main Isle of Man TT article and the other articles in the Isle of Man TT network of articles.

agljones(talk)14:47, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

agljones, thanks for the polemic. The only thing I can be arsed to say is that, in no accepted or understood form of BritEng is to Cry Wolf "an accusation of sexual deviance." Except amongst wolves, perhaps. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now I need a nap, because this put me right back to sleep. I think the gist is that you want these two to stay away from your talk page? Fine. No need to bring that to ANI. But banning two editors from an article because you don't like them isn't going to happen, at least not with the screed you've posted here. And 'crying wolf' isn't an 'accusation of sexual deviance' in American English either. If there's anything else, put it in one sentence, but beware of the boomerang. Katietalk 15:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I glanced through your ANI thread report and I believe I got the general idea of what your frustrations and concerns are. First, I'm going to echo KrakatoaKatie's response in agreement: You're allowed to kindly ask editors to leave you alone and stay off your talk page, and (minus some exceptions) they are expected to generally comply and obey your wishes. Banning editors from articles simply because of the interaction that you two have had, and the fact that you're probably frustrated and perhaps upset at them is not a sufficient reason for anyone to create a thread here and ask for one. I think you need to let go of the past "he did this" and "she did that" with these users, and make a reasonable attempt to come to peace with everyone and collaborate positively. There is nothing that anyone here is going to do, other than point you to Wikipedia's dispute resolution guidelines and tell you to shake hands and work things out. Wikipedia is not about winning, and you need to consider what is relevant for the content issues that you have, and come to a consensus. We're here to build an encyclopedia, not to hold grudges and try to lock others out of articles because they have quarrels or disagreements with you, or to "have the last word" when you find that you're in a dispute. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re: "and the term “Manx” is listed on the Wikipedia page as a “....Inbred….Sheep-shagger….Webfeet.... (from the supposed frequency of inbreeding mutations among the Manx)." Err, no, it doesn't say that at all - On that old talk page that you linked to, the section is titled "Manx (Isle of Man, British Isles)" and it lists derogatory terms aimed at Manx people - it is saying that "Inbred", "Sheep-shagger", and "Webfeet" are derogatory terms for the Manx, not that "Manx" is a derogatory term! (Just read the rest of the page - Is "Mexican" a derogatory term? "French"? "Irish"? They would be according to that idiotic interpretation.) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the contributions and they have been understood. I would like to point out that the term 'crying wolf' in British-English in UK newspapers was used to describe the German pilot Andreas ­Lubitz of Germanwings Flight 9525 due to his homosexuality and sexual deviancy. The ethnic slurs has been moved from the main page to the talk:page in the past year. This ethnic slurs for the term 'Manx' is used as a derogatory and racial slur and is aimed at the distinctive Gaelic/Scandinavian ethnic group of the Isle of Man and also 'Manx' the 'Manx-Gaelic' language which suddenly collapsed in the middle of the nineteenth century and persecuted in the same manner as other minority European languages in the mid-twentieth century. Conversely, the term can be aimed at a person in the Isle of Man not in this ethnic group as a racial slur. Also in British-English, the term "Irish" is also used in a similar context. The term has also the same connotation and use as the "N-word" which can only be used by the Afro-Americans and perhaps you can relate more to this explanation. The point is also understood about disagreements. However, the two editors have used team-tagging and campaigning to lock of articles and certain rules have to be complied with in Wikipedia. The bottom line it is that it is about building an encyclopaedia and not about inaccurate and contradictory information in which Wikipedia is often criticised about. Also, it is necessary to avoid the issues of circular references which has been a problem in this small network of articles. agljones(talk)19:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is a great example of how not to file an ANI report. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 19:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh for fuck sake, agljones, I'm British and I know (as you know perfectly well too, I'm sure) that "crying wolf" is a common idiom that does not mean what you're trying to make it mean. You have also gone out of your way to manufacture racism claims that are simply not there in the use of the term "pro-Manx" when referring to people supporting issues relating to the Isle of Man (and your attempts now to claim that "Irish" is a derogatory term simply beggar belief - I'm part Irish myself, for the record). Your obviously deliberate attempts to smear people with nasty accusations are horrible, and I'm quite disgusted by your behaviour here. Let me warn you now, if I see any more of these inexcusable personal attacks, I'll be blocking you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
agljones has been making precisely these same nonsensical allegations for the last year (e.g. [228], while indef blocked for sockpuppetry). If a year, a mountain of ignored advice, and an indef block won't teach him, will yet another warning? 87.115.16.61 (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of that, but now that I have issued a warning I don't want to escalate yet - but if I see one more unfounded accusation of racism I will be issuing a block (if nobody else does first). In the meantime, when I'm feeling a little more charitable, I might try to offer some more detailed advice on their talk page. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is one of the most pointless ANIs I've seen in a long time. Someone should close it before agljones ends up blocked. --Tarage (talk) 21:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
agljones - See my response to you above. In the end, you guys need to work this out. I don't believe that anyone here is willing to settle turf wars or dive head first into the middle of your particular content dispute. Most of the details and explanations that you've given here in this thread is exactly what you should be discussing with the other users, not us. So far, I'm seeing no blatant violations of Wikipedia policy; there is anger and frustration, and I understand that you feel upset. But this is a situation where no administrator action is required. You need to collaborate positively, keep your communication open, and perhaps maybe take a break and chill for a bit. If you need any coaching or mentoring on positive communication and dispute resolution, you're more than welcome to message me in my talk page and I will help you. Other than that, there is nothing anyone is going to do here administratively. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:36, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you should take a wider look at all the personal comments made by the two editors before making a decision and what context they have been made. I have previously lived for a long time in Ireland and have heard the comment used and I am also part of Irish descent. Racism is about ignorance and it is about a comment about made about a person in the Isle of Man and not about being Brtish. I live in the Isle of Man and the term is used directly. The company that I work for in the Isle of Man would not except a comment made using the term and would lead to summary dismissal as would the first line of your reply. One of the UK newspapers did use the term "crying wolf" in respect to Andreas ­Lubitz on the front page and I have been trying to track it down, perhaps the Sun or Daily Star. Perhaps your not familiar with the term in respect to the issue of homosexuality and this was discussed more in German media in respect to this individual.agljones(talk)21:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken a wider look - try, for example, searching for "Manx" on Google and see how many occurrences are racist (hint: Manx people themselves appear to use the term extensively). Anyway, I'm not in the mood to argue with your stubbornness right now, so I will talk to you on your talk page tomorrow - and I will try to explain how badly wrong you are in assuming that, just because a term might have been used in a derogatory fashion, then everyone who uses it must be using it in similar fashion. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC) (Probably won't now, as I suspect I'd be wasting the time of both of us and we've seen enough walls of text as it is - I think all that needs to be said here has been said. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:48, 29 May 2016 (UTC))[reply]
  • Please just close this now as completely incomprehensible. This appears to be an example of crying wolf, but not in the way the OP intends. EEng 23:36, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seconded (bemused bystander) Eagleash (talk) 23:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bemusedly amused? EEng 23:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
HAHA!!! That almost made me spit beer out of my mouth! That's funny as hell :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But, I like whining! --IJBall (contribstalk) 05:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
...Nope, less is more. I think it's perfect the way it is. --Tarage (talk) 06:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. I wasn't expecting such enthusiasm. But just you wait... soon some killjoy will come by to tell us that there's no place for humor in serious discussions.
EEng 08:25, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - BMK (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous problems with an editor of Economic stagnation

User EllenCT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is engaged in POV pushing and edit warring on Economic stagnation

  • POV pushing- Boldly and aggressively asserts her POV with complete disregard of the facts by promoting the issue of economic inequality. (She actually admitted to bias on Talk:Economic stagnation)
  • Disruptive edits- posting phony tags, reverts
  • Failure to adequately discuss in Talk- she has never satisfactorily replied to a single request to explain her edits
  • Makes false claims about what sources actually say and feels justified in doing so.

Her latest disruptive edit replaced this version [[229]] with the current version. This copmletely disrupts the article for the purpose of trying to post something about income inequality following the lede and putting the explanation of the term and the current debate about stagnation at the end of the article.

There is enough information on Talk:Economic stagnation to prove without any doubt that she is biased and POV pushing, misrepresenting facts and is not engaged in good faith talk discussions.

EllenCT has consistently tried to take over economic articles to push her POV on income inequality. Past encounters with her involved Economic growth and United States where she was defeated by several opposing editors. She engages in long, drawn out edit wars and phony Talk discussions that waste everyone's time. Phmoreno (talk) 01:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Phmoreno's history of trying to gain advantages in content disputes by ANI complaints, the linked instance having resulted in a boomerang. This instance is quite similar. Phmoreno is trying to use the economic stagnation article to push the fringe "secular stagnation" theory, which the peer reviewed WP:SECONDARY sources show has never been borne out by facts and has always been disproven. Phmoreno favors secular stagnation theory because of his politically motivated support for associated and similarly discredited supply-side economics used to support trickle-down and austerity policies. I urge administrators to review the talk page discussion and article history carefully. Please note that Phmoreno takes apparent pride in rejecting our reliable source criteria when trying to advance WP:PRIMARY research reports for which he can find no support in the peer reviewed academic literature review secondary sources. I ask that he be restricted from editing on the topic of economics for at least six months and until he can agree to follow the reliable source criteria on WP:PSTS. I deny the allegations of bias other than towards the conclusions of the consensus of peer reviewed secondary sources, and I deny all the other allegations made above as obvious lies as examination of the article's talk page and the sources cited clearly show. EllenCT (talk) 11:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having examined the talkpage I can see a number of arguments (assuming good faith) over content primarily between the both of you. Have you considered third party mediation? I prodded Volunteer Marek to comment as he has also edited there. But EllenCT, after reading that talk page, when it comes down to content, I generally agree with most of Phmoreno points. He has provided plenty of source-backed arguments which you have (despite being asked to) on a number of occasions been unable/unwilling to actually explain why and where you think they are correct. You clearly *do* have a specific POV (as anyone can see who has followed your economic-based discussions in a number of areas, including Jimbo's talk page) regarding certain economic issues which I think may be clouding your objectivity here. You don't agree with Phmoreno's position on certain subjects, but that is not reason to exclude their editing. This is certainly not 'superior' to this. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:36, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you agree with Volunteer Marek's repeated requests on the article's talk page that Phmoreno's favored "secular stagnation" theory be moved out into its own separate article? Do you agree with Marek's complaint that Phmoreno has been conflating and synthesizing multiple distinct secular stagnation theories?
Why do you suggest that the version presenting "secular stagnation" as fact in the first sections of the article is superior to the version which considers the international perspective first?
I most certainly am biased: towards the consensus conclusions of actual peer reviewed academic journal literature reviews on the subject, and against those who would try to use primary research papers without support in the secondary sources, or even less reliable sources, to push politically motivated fringe theories. Just because those consensus conclusions are congruent with certain political positions should not be construed to imply that I am trying to push them for political gain; only that I am clearly trying to improve the encyclopedia against the wishes of those who are trying to push fringe theories without any such WP:SECONDARY support. I have repeatedly complained about this continuing situation here, at Arbcom, and on Jimbo's talk page because Jimbo's pre-Wikipedia association with Objectivist anarcho-capitalists has resulted in widespread systemic bias across dozens if not hundreds of economics articles. EllenCT (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the 'Stagnation' article is overly large, I dont favour splitting it out. But 'secular stagnation' does have enough commentry and sourcing to stand alone if that was the consensus to split it. But thats the point, thats an editing discussion for an RFC, not a behavioural one. RE 'anarcho-capitalists' the problem is you see them everywhere. You give too much credence to Jimbo's opinions and past economical leanings - you certainly give them far more credit for influencing wikipedia than actually is the case. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I have pointed out repeatedly on the article's talk page, [230] documents the evidence that secular stagnation has never held true, e.g. in the third and fourth sentences of it's abstract. Why do you believe it should be included? Do you have objective evidence that I have overestimated the influence of supply siders, trickle down proponents, and austerity advocates in Wikipedia, or is it just a personal opinion about me because I am one of the few who have not given up on countering the systemic bias? Have you reviewed the several years long history of what happens to professional academic economists who try to edit in accordance with actual peer reviewed literature reviews, against the wishes of far more numerous amateur supply side enthusiasts? Unless you have actual evidence in support of your opinion, I feel that your characterization of my assessment of the situation from years editing on the topics is ill-informed at best and verges on a baseless personal attack. EllenCT (talk)
"Do you have objective evidence that I have overestimated the influence of supply siders, trickle down proponents, and austerity advocates in Wikipedia," No. Nor do I need to provide any. As the person asserting that multiple wikipedia editors over a period of years have deliberately skewed economic articles due to being 'supply siders' 'trickle down proponents' and 'austerity advocates' the onus of proof is on you. I should point out that charactising editing opponents as 'supply siders' 'austerity advocates' etc amply demonstrates your lack of objectivity in the area. Either learn to settle content disputes amicably amongst yourselves or seek mediation. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt there could be any more compelling proof than that you agree with Phmoreno's inclusion of a discredited supply-side theory at the top of the article against the conclusions of the reliable source documenting its sub-fringe historical status, against the wishes of the person you suggested mediate the dispute, and without reference to any sources suggesting it is anything more than an attempt to provide cover for those who have benefitted financially from giving terrible advice in the corridors of power. I strongly suspect you consider yourself completely neutral and moderately well informed on the topic, but the reality is that astroturfed propaganda has generally resulted in a majority of people who disagree with the vast consensus conclusions of the peer reviewed secondary economic literature. Does saying so demonstrate a lack of objectivity? Does it demonstrate a lack of objectivity to point out that far more people than professional scientists disbelieve anthropogenic climate change because of astroturfed propaganda? Or to point out that far more medical doctors than laypeople in the US think universal healthcare coverage such as the next 19 most wealthy countries enjoy saves money and extends lifespans, because of astroturfed insurance company propaganda? Or to point out that a half century ago many if not most people thought cigarettes had health benefits because of corporate propaganda? If someone is clearly editing as if austerity is just, decent, and good, why does calling them an austerity advocate demonstrate a lack of objectivity?
I would love to have the issue mediated, but have tried before, and my opponents have never agreed, because they know I am editing correctly according to our reliable source criteria, and so they would likely not prevail. EllenCT (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EllenCT has gone rogue and acted against consensus with her latest edit. It also appears she created a separate article for secular stagnation even though no consensus was reached. Her talk comments are a combination of misrepresented sources, outright lies and nonsense and her behavior is getting more irrational. She has a history of this type behavior and unless she is cut short she will once again waste everyone else's time and we will have seriously disrupted article.Phmoreno (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Phmoreno is referring to [231] and [232] which were repeatedly requested by Marek on Talk:Economic stagnation. EllenCT (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There was no consensus for splitting the article. EllenCT's motive was to put the Economic stagnation#Internationally following the lede. The Internationally section is disputed content and is not correctly portrayed in relation to economic stagnation. EllenCT was told before (above and by me on Talk) that her proposed article arrangement wasn't acceptable. EllenCT is desperately trying to push her POV and is posting fake reasons for her edits along with making false claims about sources, both on Economic stagnation and Economic growth.Phmoreno (talk) 12:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Splitting the article was repeatedly requested on the talk page, and no substantive reasons to refrain from doing so have been stated. In the interest of compromise, the contents have been duplicated at the end of the article and a citation has been requested for the unsupportable claim that secular stagnation theory has "usually" instead of "always" been proven wrong. @Phmoreno: do you object to the per-capita instead of per-country representation of growth in the Economic stagnation#Internationally section? If so, why? Please strike your false claims of misrepresenting sources because you are unable to substantiate them. EllenCT (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The claim about warnings of "secular stagnation have always been proven wrong" is not true. Japan has been in secular stagnation for almost 25 years. Also, I am going discuss a journal article related to stagnation discussing the "break after 1910", which the authors called "the onset of persistent secular stagnation". As for the section Economic stagnation#Internationally, neither of the sources discusses economic stagnation and inclusion of this section is synthesis. Phmoreno (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You have a history of making false statements and misrepresenting sources. Several times I compared your edits with the citations and not only did I find them to be inaccurate but in case of the one of the papers you cited in Economic growth, the conclusion was the opposite of your cherry-picked statement. Most recently see Volunteer Marek's comment at the end of Talk:Economic stagnation#Secular stagnation theory "disputed neutrality". There numerous other examples. Phmoreno (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One of EllenCT's reviews:

EllenCT is by far the most disruptive, tendentious, aggressively soapboxing editor I've encountered on Wikipedia. She's also thoroughly incompetent, tossing out non sequiturs in a jargon word salad that sometimes convinces those who don't know better that she has some understanding of the topics she discusses (or even fully comprehends her own sources), a misconception it takes me and others countless hours of painstaking educating to debunk. This linked evidence section contains 70 diffs documenting instances of her misbehavior, with links to many more diffs by several other editors, all of which is the tip of the iceberg. The cited instances include her falsely accusing me of being a paid editor, leveling false accusations against other editors to try and discredit them, admitting her partisan editing agenda, blatantly lying, undeniably misrepresenting sources, and general POV pushing, disruptive behavior. I could not have said it better.VictorD7's comment

Phmoreno (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EllenCT is still making changes against Talk and under false pretenses. Is there anything that can be done to stop this?Phmoreno (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that VictorD7 was the recipient of Phmoreno's earlier boomerang linked in my first reply above. EllenCT (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is no excuse for your unacceptable behavior, of which there is a long history. I'm very disappointed that Wikipedia tolerates Internet trolls like you.Phmoreno (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How do you think editors feel about your repeated attempts to prevail in content disputes using baseless allegations to administrators, instead of learning our reliable source criteria and neutrally summarizing the consensus of the peer reviewed academic literature reviews on the subjects you edit? It's beyond disappointing; it's an affront to the quality of the encyclopedia and tends to bring the project into disrepute when third parties in the media see such bias. It shows a lack of WP:COMPETENCE at best and is clearly disruptive. EllenCT (talk) 22:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Reply to EllenCT:
  • "...leveling false accusations against other editors to try and discredit them..."
  • "...sometimes convinces those who don't know better that she has some understanding of the topics she discusses (or even fully comprehends her own sources), a misconception it takes me and others countless hours of painstaking educating to debunk."
  • "She's also thoroughly incompetent..." Phmoreno (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is not necessary for me to dignify these allegations with any further response. I urge administrators to examine the links provided by both sides if there is any question about what is going on again here. EllenCT (talk) 00:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EllenCT is an admittedly biased editor who sees the world through the lens of income inequality. As VictorD7 and others have commented, she has poor knowledge and comprehension of the subject matter and is incapable of putting together a well reasoned and truthful narrative to support her POV. Therefore, she resorts to disruptive edits to keep content which she thinks opposes her POV off of Wikipedia.Phmoreno (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unreal7 activity

Users Involved: Unreal7 (mainly) and In ictu oculi (briefly)
Dear administrators and other fellow Wikipedians. Before I begin, I just want to let you know that I an not trying to be a cry baby or wimp. However, I have gotten impatient with Unreal7, and would like administrator assistance. I first got involved with the user, here, when I was leaving a comment to them about an inappropriate comment about In ictu oculi in the requested move reasoning, and posted a comment on their talk page about it as well. I tried to be nice and civil with them, avoiding drama. I again, bump into Unreal7 when I see them make another inappropriate comment about IIO here. I made a comment to Unreal7 (again) here and made a comment on their talk page here. I was very patient and did not want them getting in trouble. I told them if I saw them make any inappropriate comments again, I would report them. Now, they crossed out my comment on Talk:Jack Aitchison (footballer, born 2000), with them saying Absolutely not. We never, ever use "British footballer". I am very patient, but this time they blew it. I don't know If I am just in an angry mood tonight, or if they really are making a fuss, but their inappropriate behavior at requested moves has me concerned. I have warned them, and they have not listened to me. Can an administrator deal with them and warn them? I would really appreciate it. Cheers, CookieMonster755 📞 00:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unreal7 has been here long enough by now to know that modifying or editing another editor's comments, apart from specific violations or policy, is a no go zone. Blackmane (talk) 02:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unreal7 did not follow Wikipedia:No personal attacks guideline, which states Comment on content, not on the contributor. Unreal7 did not do that, and made inappropriate comments about In ictu oculi. According to WP:TPO, Striking text constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request. Again, Unreal7 did not follow guidelines. They stroked out my comment on Talk:Jack Aitchison (footballer, born 2000) on the requested move, currently going on. They have not listened to my warnings. They need to be warned by an administrator, that's all I am saying. CookieMonster755 📞 03:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For the record I have also encountered this user striking other people's comments on talk pages as well, for example [233], and then reinstating the change at [234] after I had reverted. I left a message about it at User talk:Unreal7#Striking another user's comment. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

. I've unstriken the comments and left a note for Unreal7. Unfortunately, this seems to be the result of an ongoing dispute at RMs between the users mentioned. This probably will require some form of dispute resolution as it appears to be escalating.--Cúchullain t/c 13:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for dealing with a mama's boy like me and doing a warning. That's all I requested. However, If I see any more WP:PA about In ictu oculi, you will see me here again. Thanks! CookieMonster755 📞 15:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

editor complaint

Editor BilCat has repeatedly reverted properly formatted and referenced changes to several aircraft articles claiming that they are not in proper format yet they are consistent with other articles. In one case he claimed that the changes "took up too much space" and "were too much trouble to manage". Request that he be removed from any further editing of these articles.Bob80q (talk) 02:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of what you're referring to and links demonstrating there is consensus for these changes otherwise this sounds like an ordinary WP:Content dispute which needs to be resolved via some ordinary method of WP:Dispute resolution and that doesn't include ANI. Nil Einne (talk) 02:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
BTW failing to notify an editor [235] that you've brought them to ANI as both the big orange box when you're editing and the big red text before you edit tell you to is never a good sign when you bring a complaint to ANI. But still I've done it for you. Nil Einne (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Operators section of aircraft articles already uses a style. When Bob began editing WP several years ago, he decided implement his own style, which clashes with the style that's already there. Originally, I attempted to change to the existing format, but he would just change it back. After a few failed discussions, he and his IP socks kept at it, so I just revert him now. If he just uses the style that already exists on those pages, there won't be a problem. In fact, he did do that a week or so ago, and I thanked him for it. He responded by changing it to his preferred style. Sigh. - BilCat (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That'll teach ya to heed the old saying: "Never wake the sleeping dogs!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the beginnings of an edit war at Boeing C-17 Globemaster III. Bob80q and Bilcat have each reverted the article either once or twice. If there is any talk page consensus on how this data ought to be shown, that would make a difference. Otherwise the steps of WP:Dispute resolution should be followed. Bob80q opened this complaint saying that BilCat 'reverted properly formatted changes' but that needs to be shown. Proper according to what? EdJohnston (talk) 15:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While this hasn't been discussed on the C-17 page, it has been discussed elsewhere, but they were not conclusive. The main issue is the style of the operators list, and whether the USAF section should follow the same layout as the other operators in the list at Boeing C-17 Globemaster III#Operators, or follow Bob's own style, which is confusing and difficult to follow. Granted, it's a minor issue overall, but I prefer consistency. No one else seems to care. - BilCat (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I've had to use null edits to add edit summaries to rollback edits on the C-17 page twice since yesterday evening. There seems to have been a change to the Wiki software which is clashing with Twinkle, as has been discussed at Village Pump. The issue won't let me add an edit summary some of the time. - BilCat (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really concerned by Bob's comments here, as they amount to personal attacks against me. His comments that "his talk page states that he is "having health issues" so perhaps he is not in proper frame of mind at present" are quite disturbing and uncalled for. - BilCat (talk) 23:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive edits from dynamic IP

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One user from IPs starting with 2a02:a446:83c2:0 (the end rest is different each time) has been editing the page Netherlands national football team whenever a new squad is released or after the team plays a match. The problem is that his edits always include a wrong birthday for one of the players (Jeroen Zoet). Examples: [236], [237], [238]. These are just some of the most recent examples, it goes back much further. I can't talk to him or warn him on his talk page because his IP keeps changing. The article has been semi-protected before, but during that time he continued editing from User:Jurre27:[239]. I tried talking to him on his talk page then, but he didn't respond then either. Is there anything you can do about this? Kinetic37 (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The IPv6 addresses appear to all be under the range 2a02:a446:83c2::/64 - I'm looking up WHOIS information now. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:43, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they all seem to be under the same ISP and location. To make things easier on everyone, here a list of the IPs and changes made to Netherlands national football team:
Range: 2a02:a446:83c2::/64
Diffs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Obviously, I didn't include the edits made by Jurre27. Still trying to find definitive proof that the IPs and the user are the same person. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kinetic37, this is an issue that needs to be handled at WP:SPI if you haven't already don that yet. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The IPs have been rangeblocked by Vanjagenije for one month for disruptive editing. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruptive editing

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User:Spacecowboy420 has a habit of using profanities in their edit summaries and has a history of content removal. This is uncivil.

  1. 10:35, 30 March 2016‎ (UTC)
  2. 10:16, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
  3. 10:59, 23 March 2016‎ (UTC)
  4. 09:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
  5. 12:03, 20 May 2016‎ (UTC)
  6. 10:59, 23 March 2016‎ (UTC)
  7. 09:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
  8. 14:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
  9. 09:15, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
  10. 13:31, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  11. 14:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
  12. 10:40, 29 February 2016‎ (UTC)
  13. 10:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
  14. 10:26, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
  15. 06:29, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Imeldific (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note This user recently attempted to take the notified editor to AN3 for edit-warring; Imeldific was informed by Ian.Thomson that in fact Imeldific had "been reverted by a second use[r] (which puts [Imedldific] closer to edit warring). You do indeed appear to be a single purpose account. Although I wouldn't go so far as to call your edits vandalism, they certainly do go against WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:NPOV." Suggest that this is a retaliatory effort where a previous noticeboard failed. Note that many of the edit-summaries are perhaps robust, but not directed at editors, merely the content. Whereas, indeed, Imeldific's accusations of incivility and accusations of 'content removal' (generally unsourced fancruft, promotionalism, and trivia, I note) may be unfounded enough to amount to a severe lack of WP:AGF on his part. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 13:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're forum shopping because your edit warring report was declined on the grounds that Spacecowboy420 wasn't edit warring and that you are indeed a singular purpose account editing against policy. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is obviously unrelated behavior. And that user has a history of disruptive editing. There is also an active discussion about the (un)controversial content which the said user has yet to respond. Imeldific (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that the filing editor has struck through their original complaint (and the only remaining item is under duscussion on the talk page as a content dispute), can I suggest that this is immediately closed as withdrawn by nom. Also suggest warning for the nominator for wasting other editors' time and energies with a groundless post. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 13:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No... It's pretty obvious that this is just another revenge report. Also, Spacecowboy420 clearly hasn't been on since well before you posted that a few hours ago. It's not that he's ignored you, it's that you've been impatient. As for the accusation of disruptive editing, please provide WP:DIFFs to prove it. Profanity from three months ago that you had nothing to do with doesn't really establish that. Also, striking out your posts is generally interpreted to mean that you no longer affirm their content. In other words, if you really meant to strike out your entire first post, that means there's no issue here and we can close the thread. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Unban/Unblock of Doughnuthead

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Hello. To whoever reads this, I am the former operator of the Doughnuthead account. I feel that, now at the age of 19 and no longer a pre-pubescent teen, I am more than capable of functioning like an everyday bloke on this site. Given the time lapse, I wasn't sure where to post this, and this was one area of the site I could recall so I'm just putting my request out here in the hope someone in the community would like to help me join Wikipedia. Thank you. --2A02:C7F:280A:1800:E979:5984:850E:6EEB (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the talk page on the user account here, you were indefinitely banned by the community on August 6, 2012. To appeal your ban, you need to follow the directions given on your user talk page. Visit this page for instructions, or refer to the message on your talk page in order to properly file an appeal (basically, you'll use your account to send an email to the Ban Appeals Subcommittee). Good luck :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:59, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But were you still socking up until October last year? FortunaImperatrix Mundi 14:02, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw this as well. Regardless, you need to follow the directions I've given. It'll be up to the subcommittee to determine the acceptance or denial of your appeal. Please know that evading your block or ban intentionally will not help your appeal... I understand that you probably had (and maybe still have) questions; I don't see your post here as something that would be used against you, but your sock puppetry record surely will be. I will assume that you're trying to legitimately do the right thing (and we appreciate it!), but don't make any more edits until you've been officially OK'd to do so! Log into your account and go straight to the proper place and follow the directions! I wish you the best of luck and a fair appeal process. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:09, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
IP blocked for block evasion. -- GB fan 14:20, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Grossly insulting edit summaries

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Grossly insulting personal attacks by IP user in edit summaries. (See this and this). Pinging User:Kautilya3, User:ChunnuBhai --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx for reporting this to the administrators User:Lemongirl942 . I would also request the admins to semi protect both these articles for some time. Anonymous IPs are making arbitrary edits on both with a biased POV. ChunnuBhai (talk) 17:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
+1 for semi-protection. The summer is getting hot. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • IP blocked, articles protected. Widr (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Vandal bugging me on Wikimedia

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A Disney-related long-term vandal that I and others have been reverting for some time is now accosting me on Wikimedia. See here. They previously also did something similar on my TARDIS Wikia talk page, of all places. They refuse to respond here because s\he says I will "tattle" on them. Well, I'm doing so now here anyway. I am trying to report their vandalism on Wikimedia, but s\he keeps reverting my report. Any help would be appreciated. --Ebyabe talk - Health and Welfare ‖ 20:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Commons admin; let's chat about this at my talk page here, so as to avoid (1) clogging up this page for a matter not related to en:wp, and (2) you getting noticed over there. Nyttend (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that'll be cool. --Ebyabe talk - Inspector General ‖ 21:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threat

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This is a clear legal threat- someone claiming to be representing a Provincial Court demanding Wikipedia change their content. The username is also a violation, but they should be blocked for no legal threats. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302, I've blocked for the username violation, I'll leave it to be decided here whether the legal threat issue requires further action Jimfbleak - talk to me? 22:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A Google Translation of their unblock request seems to be a legal threat as well, trying to force us to comply with them, or there will be litigation. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded the block to include the legal threat, and informed them that both block reasons will need to be addressed in order to obtain an unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I left a google translation message directing them to WMF legal on their page. It's not perfect, but it's something.--v/r - TP 23:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Google analytics

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Thinking about installing this for use with Wikipedia. Can anyone advise if this is sensible? 68.232.71.82 (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Try the help desk. This doesn't need administrative action. --Tarage (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruptive editor needs WP:NOTHERE block

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Not sure if this is the right venue for this - I'm aware of WP:AIV obviously but that's generally for more clear cut instances of vandalism and this is a bit more subtle. I was skimming through rugby league articles today and came across Starmaker1234 (talk · contribs), whose 50+ edit history since January 2016 seems to consist mostly of vandalism, hoaxing, and other nonsense.

Some edits are bald-faced, blatant vandalism: 1 2 3

Others are less so. Examples of hoaxing include this (details of a match that has yet to be played), this (again, details of a match that has yet to be played), this (false information) and this (again, false statistics).

At the very least someone should keep an eye on this guy as the disruption has been happening since January and he clearly knows Wikimarkup, but I'd say its WP:NOTHERE behaviour deserving of a block. Their other edits need to be vetted as well as they are most likely false. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 14:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he hasn't responded to any of the warnings either, possibly a vandalism-only account. I would take this to WP:AIV. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 14:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, don't bother. He's blocked. I have no tolerance for edits like this, where there's no room for "misunderstanding" or making an honest mistake. He's just goofing around. Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threats (and more) by Commonsenseyes

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In addition to the COI edit-warring at Piotr Nowak and potential sockpuppetry (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Commonsenseyes), this user has now begun making legal threats. See diff for an example. I haven't reviewed the material in-depth to see if there's a legitimate cause for removal, although it does appear to be sourced. Either way, legal threats and edit-warring with a clear connection to the subject (see here) isn't the way to make changes. ~ RobTalk 18:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Inventor(s) of the World Wide Web?

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This has gone on for weeks now. One editor is edit-warring a fellow Belgian Robert Cailliau in as the co-inventor of the World Wide Web. He was involved early, but not initially. See Talk:World Wide Web.

An account Bongo76 (talk · contribs) was warned for this and the same edits are now coming from a narrow range of IP addresses. It's a content issue where persistent edit-warring from a disposable IP triumphs (as always) over long-term registered accounts. It's beyond ANEW, SPI or RFC to resolve this, so I bring it here. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotected for ten days. Nyttend (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Ecoboy90

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He has been in a dispute with Doug Weller for a period of time. He has started making personal attacks (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wahab El Yahiz)) showing that he is WP:NOTHERE. As the final straw, he sent me an email (I can forward it to whoever wants to see it, but I'll need your email address), insulting Doug Weller and claiming that he was an extremist Muslim. Please respond. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 11:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Talk:Karab El Watar. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 11:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why would he email you that?! MuffledPocketed 11:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 11:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And Ecoboy90 also created this article, also probably incorrect naming: Karab El Bayin. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 12:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why's that? Muffled Pocketed 12:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Because he has incorrect ideas on how to spell Arabic names? Doug Weller has tried to convince him of this, showing search results for the two names, (the one we have now is just Wikipedia mirrors, the one that is correct has over 10 times the amount of hits on google books), but he's not convinced. ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 12:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, User:ThePlatypusofDoom, you are supposed to notify the party you file against. Muffled Pocketed 12:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think Ecoboy90 is a bad-faith contributor. All signs point to deliberate troublemaking. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I didn't say that "weller" is an extremist Muslim .. I said "It seems the extremism of "Allah" followers are not just in real life with weapons and explosive belts, but also in a freely editing encyclopedia !!", so you don't have to lie and go ahead and show everybody the message. Second, ThePlatypusofDoom is saying "he has incorrect ideas on how to spell Arabic names" ?! do you or "weller" speak Arabic?! Ecoboy90 (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Articles are titled as they are commonly found in the available reliable sources. This usually means that on the ENGLISH wikipedia that names that have multiple spellings depending on where in the world you are, tend to be given the spelling that is available in commonly found English-language reliable sources. Even if those sources are mis-translating from the orginal Arabic (Which does not appear to be the case). Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ecoboy90: That can be interpreted as attacking Doug Weller. No, I don't speak Arabic, but MezzoMezzo does, and he agreed that your naming was a mistake (see the talk page). ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: I know, I was going to notify him, but you got to it first. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@ThePlatypusofDoom; I saw the remarks of that one who is called MezzoMezzo, who is following a certain religion so you have to be sure that he will be biased, he said there are "blatant mistakes" in spelling; giving a silly explanation coming from his interpretation of the text from current Arabic !! I have included Sabaic musnad writings in Wahab El Yahiz, and I have included the Sabaic dictionary in the page of List of rulers of Saba and Himyar, so no need to get assistant from somebody who has shallow knowledge. If anyone wants to change the articles that I have created, he should notify first to discuss then maybe we can find a satisfying solution, I don't accept that my articles being moved or edited without even notifying ! Ecoboy90 (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"If anyone wants to change the articles that I have created, he should notify first to discuss.." - but you don't own the article, so why should you need to be notified? -- samtar talk or stalk 13:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@samtar; Why didn't the ones who are playing smart and being wise (..) create the pages in the first place?! I said they should discuss with me then do an edit which could satisfy all parties. Ecoboy90 (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how Wikipedia works however. Once you create a page, anyone can edit it. If, however there is something that is contentious, then a discussion on the talk page of the article could be warranted. Notifying you first before making any edits however is not how we work. RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nor do we restrict people who are "following a certain religion", as you wrote above, from editing articles about other religions, or any other article for that matter. Such an idea is entirely opposite from the principles behind Wikipedia. BMK (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken Wahab El Yahiz to AfD because I can't find any sources. I suspect this is because once again he's using his own idiosyncractic spelling. Even when I could show him a very large number of reliable sources for the spelling Karib'il Watar and none for his preferred spelling "Karab-El Watar" he said their translations were wrong. And although the article is again at the correct spelling, a few minutes ago he edited the text to change the text to his spelling. At Talk:Wahab El Yahiz he's written "STOP VANDALIZING MY ARTICLES User:Doug Weller, I AM WARNING YOU .. YOU ARE AN IGNORANT, YOUR ONLY ARGUMENT IS THAT THE ENGLISH SOURCES ARE SCARCE ... WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY CREATE THE PAGES IN THE FIRST PLACE ?! STOP ACTING LIKE A () .. LAST WARNING, BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING PERSONAL !!! Ecoboy90 (talk) 11:58 pm, Yesterday (UTC+1)" and "WHY DO YOU KEEP FOLLOWING MY ARTICLES !!! THEY ARE NOT OFFENDING ANYONE !!! THEY ARE TRANSLATED FROM ANCIENT LANGUAGE AND I AM SURE ABOUT EACH PART OF THE NAME !! SO WHY DO YOU KEEP NAGGING ABOUT ENGLISH SOURCES, DID I INCLUDE ANY OF THEM ?! GET A LIFE User:Doug Weller .. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU !!" Doug Wellertalk 13:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ecoboy90's reaction to the AfD:

The user called Dog Weller is trying to make this issue controversial because of personal subjective reasons !! maybe he follows certain extreme religion, and he considered that I am cursing and insulting his lovely God !![240]

Comments such as this are unacceptable, and a violation of No personal attacks. BMK (talk) 13:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: User:Ecoboy90 has had an account for a little over a year, and in that time has accumulated 17 warnings and complaints on their talk page. In that entire time, Ecoboy90 has never made a single edit to their talk page. The failure to discuss issues raised by other editors is an indication of not taking the cooperative and collegial nature of Wikipedia seriously. The user's comments here and those quoted by Doug Weller indicate also that the don't understand that they articles they create are not theirs. BMK (talk) 13:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think they actually have a contribution to make. The area they have chosen is lacking in content, if they can be educated in the wikipedia way they would be an asset. I have a passing interest from a long time ago on the Saba kingdoms but I lack the native language skills to really help. It might be worth looking for a mentor for them to help them adjust. Or restrict them to creating articles in draftspace/AFC for the time being. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Having no knowledge of the subject area, I can make no judgment about the quality of their contributions. However, regardless of the value of their edits to the encyclopedia, Ecoboy90 must take in the essential point of this discussion: they do not own the articles they create, they can not prevent other editors from working on them, and they will not be allowed to continue editing if they continue to insult and attack other editors. BMK (talk) 13:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • ...And communication: without that, any improvement in those other areas, however impressive, would be a gloss. Muffled Pocketed 13:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, did anyone notice that he said that User:MezzoMezzo was biased because it says on his page that he is a Sunni Muslim? Seriously? ThePlatypusofDoom(Talk) 13:51, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree Ecoboy90 seems to have expertise that could be of benefit. His knowledge of the language could be an asset, used apprpriately. I happen to think its rather insulting to have the view that only English sources should be used, it is also short sighted. I personally use references in 6 languages, as well as 3 versions of English. However, Ecoboy90 you must learn the way WP works, you do not own articles, anyone can edit them, they do not need your permission. You cannot insult people. Also keep religion out of it, I do not care what religion you or anyone else is, you make it a point of your editing and your no longer a benefit to WP. You need to openly discuss any issues, and respond to requests on your talk page. Basically you need to co-operate, neither you, me or anyone else has the final word on anything. WP is built by consensus. I am actually defending you here, but you need to see it is a two way deal to be an editor on WP. Cheers Faendalimas talk 14:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict):::::User:Only in death, one problem is that he is relying for his new stuff on just one source, and frankly I don't think he's a judge of sources since he referred me to [241]. When I pointed out that this site pointed out that his source believes in Jews worshipping a Trinity, that evolution is hoax, etc. he responded with "you can read the sources he included; because he came up with a true convincing conclusion about the etymology of the moon god called "Allah". I am quoting what you said "It's bad enough that he's anti-Muslim and believes Allah is a moon god", You are not even an Arabic speaker to defend your Moon God, or do you want us to cite crooked translations written by your Muslim brothers !! now we know why you are so stubborn and stone-minded !! It seems the extremism of "Allah" followers are not just in real life with weapons and explosive belts, but also in a freely editing encyclopedia !! " - which really does suggest he's calling me an extremist. Another example of a problem spelling is El Sharih Yahdhib - it seems unlikely that not only can I not find English sources for the subject of the article, but I can't find them for his father "Far'am Yanhab", his brother ""Ya'z El Bayin" or the tribal allies of the Axumites called the "Sahra". Now he's blocked, cleanup is needed Doug Weller talk 14:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Now we can close this discussion. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 14:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work, Bbb23! BMK (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That changes things and fair enough. Cheers Faendalimas talk 14:12, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User Kamran the Great and Persian Gulf vs Arabian Gulf

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Context (1) the name of the Persian Gulf is disputed, see Persian Gulf naming dispute which explains why a widely accepted name is disputable. Specifically, Arab countries (on the west of the water), don't use "Persian Gulf", they use "Arabian Gulf" or "Gulf". Iran (on the east) uses "Persian Gulf" and doesn't recognise any other name. It might be policy-compliant (WP:WIAN) but I don't think it makes Wikipedia a better encyclopaedia to search out every occurrence of "Arabian Gulf" or "Gulf" and replace it with "Persian Gulf", especially in articles about Arab countries or activities, where such persistence might be construed as POV-pushing. Context (2) User Kamran the Great was blocked indefinitely on 2 Jul 2011 for "Disruptive editing: Apparent Wikipedia:Single purpose account in promoting "Persian" in every instance" [242]; the block was lifted in 21 Sep 2011. My problem: Kamran the Great (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) appears to do little else on Wikipedia except changing "Arabian Gulf" to "Persian Gulf". On 20 May 16 he edited Kuwait [243] (an Arab country) to replace Gulf with Persian Gulf. He did the same on 30 May 2016 [244] including deleting an explanatory footnote referring to the Persian Gulf naming dispute article. On the same day he corrected Arabian Gulf to Persian Gulf here [245] and here [246] (an article about a Bahraini). On 22 May 2016 here [247] the Arabian peninsula, and here [248] about Qatar, an Arab country. On 20 May here [249] about an Arab company; here [250] about an island off the UAE; here [251] about a building in Saudi Arabia. I could go on - a glance at his contributions is enough to show hundreds of similar edits. Some users have asked him to desist, e.g. here, here; Kamran is unfailingly polite and cites policy. Summary. The name of the Persian Gulf/Arabian Gulf/Gulf is contentious. The issue has come up before in 2012 at DRN, with User Kamran the Great accusing another editor of being tendentious by changing "Persian Gulf" to "Arabian Gulf", but I don't think in that discussion it was understood that Kamran does almost nothing else on Wikipedia except make edits to do the reverse. To search for every instance of "Arabian Gulf" or "Gulf" and replace it with "Persian Gulf" is tendentious itself. Is it POV-pushing? In my opinion this user is a WP:SPA; the user is continuing an activity he was previously blocked for; and the user makes edits that are disruptive. Questions Is Kamran's behaviour acceptable or sanctionable? How might I ask Wikipedia to introduce a policy that the use of the term "Arabian Gulf" or "Gulf" is an acceptable geographic name in articles about Arab countries where the term "Persian Gulf" is not used locally? (Disclosure: I have edited Persian Gulf naming dispute myself recently). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest a RFC involving the appropriate wiki projects. Advertise it at WP:CENT to draw as much outside opinion as possible. Perhaps it might even something to be discussed at WP:VPP. Those would be my first suggestions. Blackmane (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Non-administrator comment)Not only is his behavior not even closely sanctionable, it's laudable. According to the article you contributed to, it's the name the UN and US have officially sanctioned and AFAIK, the commonly used name in the English-speaking world. Wikipedia is not for righting Great Wrongs. Kleuske (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, one might say righting a Great Wrong is almost exclusively what Kamran is doing. My point was: in the arabic-speaking world, which is where I'm talking about, "Persian Gulf" is not used at all. Changing good-faith use of "Arabian Gulf" back to "Persian Gulf" in articles on Arab things isn't making the encyclopedia better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 04:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the Arabic-speaking world they might use a different name, but in the English-speaking world the body of water is known as the Persian Gulf. Since this is the English-speaking Wikipedia, the English-language term is used. This may be different on the Arabic-language Wikipedia (I don't know) but this is the English-language version. Faulting someone for correcting erroneous terminology and bringing it to WP:ANI is not quite what we mean by assuming good faith. Moreover, this is not an ANI-matter. So please Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Thank you. Kleuske (talk) 07:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Antamajnoon

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Recently Antagmajnoon, a new user to Wikipedia, accused me to Wikihounding on my talk page after I reverted two of their edits, but has so far refused to provide any evidence. Both my reverts were in line with the consensus on the pages, and I was 'thanked' by other edits for my reverts. Antagmajnoon has now begun to trace my edits and has admitted as much here. My edits to the Libertarian Presidential Primary 2016 was reverted here and to the 2020 election here. I have a long standing interest in politics and elections on Wikipedia and Antagmajnoon has never shown any interest in these pages before. Antagmajnoon has accused my summaries of being misleading which is not the case. They have also begun to make similar comments on @Rebbing:'s talk page. Antagmajnoon clearly intends to violate WP:HOUND and to disrupt the edits of other users, and generally undertake disruptive editing. I'd like to nip this in the bud before it develops into something much more serious and disruptive. Ebonelm (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this stems from derivatives of the page wedlease where User:Rebbing has without proof argued that wedleases are hypothetical (I know of at least one jurisdiction that practises wedleases). Since Rebbing has repeated the notion that wedleases are hypothetical on at least 8 namespaces, the onus is on him to give references, citations or some substantion, otherwise it seems he's inventing and making stuff up. I invited them to discuss on Talk:Marriage without reply. Antamajnoon (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've blocked Antamajnoon as a Confirmed sock puppet. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hawaan12/Archive for background. After being permitted to keep the account of their choice, the user has gone out and created yet another sock account. I've also blocked Ninefive6, the account they were allowed to keep, and tagged all the accounts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbb23 (talkcontribs) 14:21, 31 May 2016‎
    • @Bbb23: Thanks for the investigative work and explanation. I'm not sure it's of any use, but 92.13.140.46 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) appears to have been used by Antamajnoon earlier this month. Rebbing 18:00, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, Ebonelm, for reporting this. If anyone should need it, I detailed my history with the user at my talk page (permalink). To respond to two specific points: a wedlease, according to that article, is a "proposed" form of marriage contract; and Antamajnoon did not invite me to discuss this at Talk:Marriage, where the onus was on him to justify his edit. Rebbing 18:00, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Violetnese

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This editor is WP:NOTHERE. She created her account on July 3, 2015. She has about 1,000 edits, over half of which are to her own userpage. Her userpage is emblematic of her style. It reads like a social media page, and much of it is incomprehensible, at least to me. She talks about other people (friends of hers I think) as well as celebrities, often talking to them.

A good portion of what she says in response to other editors is loony. For example, I reverted some of her most recent changes to her userpage. She restored them. I reverted again, and she restored them again. I stopped. Her response to my warning about being WP:NOTHERE and risking a block was "Sure, go ahead. I"m going on Neopets and HitRecord.". I have no idea what that means, although HitRecord, a company owned by Joseph Gordon-Levitt, goes back to my first introduction to this person, when she edit-warred over adding "falsetto" to Gordon-Levitt's Talk page and creating a Falsetto category later. She was blocked for this misconduct, but during the discussion at WP:AN3, she made two crazy comments: ""Look what Ryan just saw on Wikipedia! They can't take it off!" Ryan didn't get a response from https://www.instagram.com/p/6kZl_BkSRA" and "You're right, but me, I only saw/want the falsetto/Anthony Green meets Adam Levine from Maroon 5 one!" (see [252] at bottom of page).

Then there's this comment on an article Talk page: "I also love Dear by Amanda Bynes on eBay.com! Can't wait for new episodes at 9pm! I will never ever be left out/missed out of Amanda Christine "Christie" Gouldie Brindle protecting me in older childrens' club thing, Amanda! That's why we're not for Aquarius! Unicorns will never be compromised! Lizzie's unicorn sweatshirt! I trust you!" And the next edit with this edit summary: " that was Frindle. Asians sweat."

I'm not going to look for any more evidence in her history. Perhaps she's done something constructive somewhere that a complete review would uncover, but it's hard to believe that she's a net benefit to the project.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't Facebook. This looks like a clear case of WP:NOTHERE with a dash of WP:CIR thrown in. I saw the user page and talk page. It's obviously someone who doesn't understand what Wikipedia is at all. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Their behavior is really bizarre, they might be a troll, or just a misguided user. Weegeerunner chat it up 16:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Non-administrator comment) I sampled some edits and expected a 14-year-old. She claims to be 28. If so, she really should know better. Kleuske (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The user page doesn't look all that different from a lot of other user pages I've seen. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 16:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Check her edit history, she's been making unconstructive edits to pages. Weegeerunner chat it up 17:01, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is really bizarre, a very odd type of editor. Either a very odd troll or a person that logs on to this, thinking it is facebook. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 17:51, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban. This is an extreme example of WP:NOTHERE: I see no sign at all that User:Violetnese has any understanding of what Wikipedia is, let alone any sign of desire and ability to learn how contribute to it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban I agree and if you look at her talk page, she is OK with a ban, she's moving on to the next site. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban (Non-administrator comment) Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 17:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban Forced to concur with all the above; madness that she remains. Muffled Pocketed 17:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban My comment above sums it up. This is someone who doesn't really understand, nor do they care to understand, what Wikipedia is. RickinBaltimore (talk) 17:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban Clearly WP:NOTHERE, absolutely no reason why she should stay, extreme example of WP:CIR failure. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 17:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban Absolutely dead weight, BMK (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Siteban At first I thought this might be a case of Singlish or some other pidgin... but the user's page say they're from Raleigh. Frankly this appears to be a terrible AI bot that's failing at the Turing test. "that was Frindle. Asians sweat." ([253]) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Clear WP:CIR case. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Davestapp

Davestapp (talk · contribs) is clearly a single-purpose editor. I suspect that he's an employee of Diana Meltzer's who is charged with promoting Beat the System (band). While I usually don't mind insiders pushing bands, because they can offer good sources that might normally be missed by our editors, this editor has shown little understanding or regard for copyright because he claims that "the picture belongs to the band". Apparently the editor is compelled to add photo credits when adding those copyrighted images to the band's article: here and here. This looks like the photographer has reserved some rights and the band does not own the images outright. The editor either needs a mentor, or to have edits watched by someone who can vet them, or to have someone with more patience than me explain the issues. Again, those issues are WP:SPA/WP:COI and copyright violations. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:45, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm always happy to offer mentoring, if it's determined that this user should have it :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:70.68.199.80, at article The Heart Wants What it Wants

This is about this user changing a particular sentence in the lead portion of the article, and has done so several times now: [254] [255] and [256]. It's merely about changing the meaning of the sentence to imply something that is not true, and I've repeatedly mentioned this in my edit summaries which reverted the change, plus I've brought it to the article's talk page. I've even invited the user to participate in the discussion over at their talk page, but the user has not made any effort to communicate on any of the talk pages (including mine) regarding their edit, and just keeps restoring their version in the article. I'm not thinking they even get that they change the meaning of the sentence. As I point out on the article's talk page, their change could also be seen as a BLP violation (as Selena Gomez is not part of the production team called Rock Mafia, which may be implied with their version of the sentence), and is the reason for my reverts in the article.

I'd rather not keep dealing with this user for this one issue in the article, but I also want to make sure that statements made about people, per the BLP policy, are not taken in such a way that will question its accuracy. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:01, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MPFitz1968 - This edit here is a simple grammatical change, and makes no difference to the meaning of the sentence (the user just didn't put a comma after "Antonina Armato"). This edit simply changes the fact that Gomez either provided additional song writings, or if he wrote more than that. The last edit you provided changes the statement that Antonina Armato and Tim James produced the song as well as wrote it. This appears to be a content dispute, and a very small one. The IP made only three changes over two weeks to this article, so no edit warring is occurring. I think that you should assume good faith and understand that people may interpret words differently. A block on this IP isn't going to do anything, as the user is making a change at the rate of about 1-2 times per week. What's wrong with just fixing the article to be accurate towards the source and just leaving it at that? :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Administrator comment - I agree with Oshwah's assessment. You need to take this through WP:DR if you want to resolve this matter. Coffee // have a cup // beans // 09:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non-administrator comment: I have to disagree, I'm afraid; the IP's changes do indeed change the meaning of the sentence with respect to Rock Mafia (whatever that is) by making "who collectively ..." apply as well to Gomez. I'm assuming MPFitz1968 is correct in saying she's not in that, which is also suggested by the fact the clause calls it a "duo". MPFitz1968 has tried different formulations and has opened a talk page section; the IP isn't seeing the implication. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have looked again at the IP's most recent edit [257], and I failed to notice the phrase "along with", which had been in previous versions of the article (which the IP had removed in other edits). There is a different meaning to the sentence with that phrase in it than without. It separates Gomez from Armato and James in terms of the sentence structure, thus not "collectively" putting Gomez in with the other two as part of the production team Rock Mafia. I restored that IP edit to the article, and will retract the warning I gave the IP. I will say that it's not the best way to express the song's writing credits in the article, and can leave others (even myself) to improve it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mussoorie call girls

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While patrolling new pages, I ran across an Indian spammer who has been creating inappropriate pages such as 98151 rishikesh 32422 call girl service in mussoorie escort services in mussoorie call girls. The pages, which seem to be advertising escorts in Mussoorie, are filled with incoherent repeated text, and have long titles with phone numbers in them. Recently, Syuvi463531 (talk · contribs) and Singhyuvi696222 (talk · contribs) have created seven of these pages between them, which I tagged for speedy deletion as nonsense, although judging by the deletion log, this spammer is prolific, and I can vaguely remember similar pages being created as far back as 2012. My question is: does any administrator or other user know anything more about this spammer? Is it a human sockpuppeteer, or an automated spambot?

Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure this is a spambot, I usually just tagged the page for deleteipn, then tag the author at AIV as a spambot. RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:55, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are spambots. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Persistent Harmful editing by user Koala15

Please Note: I reported this on the page for Vandalism as well, I felt reports at both of these pages were necessary. I could be wrong since I don't report much as I try to work out problems I face by talking them out and only feel reporting necessary if a user ultimately refuses to cooperate with others.

  • Koala15 (talkcontribsdeleted contribsnuke contribslogsfilter logblock userblock log) user is continuously making harmful edits to the page Khalifa (mixtape) and Wiz Khalifa discography. The user was asked multiple times to stop making edits without providing references, specifically changing the title of Khalifa (mixtape) to Khalifa (album) and removing the project from the Mixtape section and adding it to the album section of the Wiz Khalifa discography page. He's been asked multiple times to provide sources of physical distribution of the project in question, to prove that it is indeed an album rather than a mixtape, but the user continues to ignore. But I didn't stop there, I even added a new section to the talk page of Khalifa (mixtape) to discuss the issue, which the user also ignored. The user continuously makes edits at their own discretion with no explanation and no attempt to work productively with other users on the site, acting as if Wikipedia were their own personal sandbox. Weweremarshall (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That page move was two weeks ago...? MuffledPocketed 17:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One of them was, but it dates back a little further than that. I've been trying to get this user to cooperate for over a month, I got back from vacation today only to find out he was still making whatever edits he pleases at his own discretion. Weweremarshall (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing by User:GunturIrawanSub

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Hello, the user seems to be renaming pages without consensus and has a pattern of disruptive editing if not occasionally vandalism. -- Hakan·IST 10:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Rambling Man's behavior

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At Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 May 21#File:Reg Grundy 20 September 2010.jpg, TRM starts calling people lazy for not searching for free images of dead people or not making negotiations with copyright holders of certain images. Worse, he keeps rebutting "keep" arguments until he replaced a non-free image of Sally Brampton with a newer one. Was that intent sarcastic, or was it just unacceptable behavior? I could not tell by looking at those messages. Perhaps TRM can explain. --George Ho (talk) 07:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The word "lazy" is used several times but I did not see any that were directed at a particular editor—saying "User Example is lazy" would be a minor violation of WP:CIVIL, but saying "We should not default to choosing any old image of a dead person one day after they die simply because people are too lazy to do any work to get a free version." is not. The page is called "Files for discussion" and people should be able to say what they think. Indeed, at another point TRM says 'I have no "influence", I'm arguing a position.' which seems very reasonable. Have you tried engaging with the points raised? At any rate, a report at ANI needs diffs rather than a link to a long discussion. By the way, the current section heading is not a model of civility. Johnuniq (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've too have read the discussion and it seems to me that there was laziness on your part and with others. TRM tried to make the situation work, even taking the time to approach Surrey Council who adjusted the copyright so as to allow the image on Commons. That is not the work of someone who is behaving "pompous" or "uppity", but someone who is willing to go the extra mile in order to make a good situation out of a bad one. No case to answer here, and I've changed the uncivil header to a more neutral one. CassiantoTalk 08:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uninvolved administrator comment - I see no wrongdoing or violating of policy by The Rambling Man in his comments on that discussion. I propose a swift trout to George Ho for being so quick to bring this to the "drama board" when TRM is simply pointing out our policies, and appropriate usage, of our fair-use images. Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Vote X sock report

Taken care of by someone else. Dennis Brown - 10:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Could an admin take a look at 86.151.48.25 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), which I suspect is Vote X's latest address, and complete WP:RBI? Thanks. Tevildo (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User just back from block

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Egorg13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User:Egorg13 has just come back from a 1-week block for repeated recreation of articles about non-notable Georgian footballers- in the edit summaries of the now deleted articles, they said they were working on behalf of the footballers. Block ended yesterday, and today they've recreated at least 3 of the articles (Giorgi Tevzadze, Lasha Parunashvili, Otar Kiteisvhili). They are clearly not listening, and should be blocked for longer, preferably indefinite as not here. Pinging Doc James as he performed last week's block. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One of them appears to be copied and pasted. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User falsely reverting perfectly good edits as "test-edits"!

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Page: Ray Combs (edit talk history links watch logs)
User being reported: Ebyabe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)


Previous version reverted to: [258]

Bogus note left on my talk page: [259]


This user seems to believe, falsely, of course, that just because I'm a dynamic-IP-based editor, my perfectly valid edits are "not valuable" and are only "test-edits." Doesn't this fall under some kind of WP:UNCIVIL or "do not bite" clause?

My perfectly valid edits on Ray Combs include the removal of stray hyphens, the forming of proper s-ending possessives, the removal of an obvious redundancy, improving some kludgy wording, and acknowledging that people have more than one spinal disc. Why should they be rudely thought of as "tests" even though they're obvious improvements?

So will you please instruct this editor not to revert these completely valid edits as if they were "tests," since they're actually valid, sound edits, and then block her or him for a while?

174.23.160.130 (talk) 06:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: [He/she hasn't posted anything to the talk page, so see our edit summaries.]

@Favonian and Sro23: who also reverted this editor. Doug Weller talk 07:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sro did, but Favonian didn't. 174.23.160.130 (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It didn't seem like a test edit, but was it worth edit-warring over? Assuming that all the very similar IP addresses are the same person (WHOIS seems to think they are), you broke 3RR over a fucking hyphen? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Um, #1, unobservant space cowboy, I didn't break 3RR.

2: Sro already edit-warred, and I reported him at the warring board, and then someone toddy came in and claimed that the previous wording--not just a hyphen--was "better," but the proceeded to reedit unrelated material from that wording, including the hyphens, so I reverted that because he had edited the other stuff besides just what his issue was in his summary.

So #3, where's your warning to sro?

And #4, this is obviously not just about hyphens, and you would know that if you had actually paid real attention. 174.23.160.130 (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


@Doug Weller:: Note that this is also at ANEW here. MisterRandomized (talk) 08:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's a different report. That was about sro's edit-warring. This is about ebyabe's bad behavoir, which couldn't be put with edit-warring because it's a different kind of bad behavior. 174.23.160.130 (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a block-evading sock IP, shouldn't this whole report (and every other piece of content from the IP) just be removed? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I just noticed. You're full of it. Four reverts, all changing hyphens. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


@Dennis Brown:. Given that he/she IP-hops, please could you protect the page that he/she edit wars over. See Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Ray Combs‎.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done Dennis Brown - 10:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Ye eunuch

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Blocked user that is vandalizing their talk page with disparaging materials. 331dot (talk) 12:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Access revoked. Widr (talk) 12:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
and deleted revisions. -- GBfan 12:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The issue with User:Supreme Genghis Khan and the sockpuppets is getting worse. Would writing an LTA report help people to identify it and stop the vandalism faster? TheCoffeeAddicttalk contribs 12:55, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Banned user now blocked and locked for good. :) KGirlTrucker87 talk what I'm been doing 13:04, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Persistent POV-pushing and active socking

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Denghu is actively edit warring to claim his home town as the largest city in Europe, both with his own account and the sock account 194.28.238.3 [260], [261], [262], [263], [264], [265]. This is a beharioval issue, but as Denghu repeatedly claims in edit summaries that his is the WP:TRUTH, I point out that an RfC was held on exactly this topic, with the decision being to count all of Istanbul. As Denghu is actively edit-warring against the outcome of the RfC, and employs an IP-sock alongside his regular account, I think it's a behavioral issue for ANI. As for Denghu being the sock-master of the IP, it's an obvious case with both accounts doing exactly the same edits, sometimes the IP even starts and Denghu finishes it. Most notably, the IP even modified Denghus user page [266], removing any doubt about the socking. Jeppiz (talk) 11:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to say I do not think your report has merit. They indeed added sources and they engaged in the talk page discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All true, but Denghu also (1) actively socked, (2) ignored the RfC on the topic, (3) edit warred with several users. I'm unfamiliar with any policy that allows using socks and edit warring against the outcome of an RfC if one uses sources and the talk page. Jeppiz (talk) 08:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So many accusations against me, some sound stretched, some are simply untrue. Good to see that complaints of this kind are dismissed. Denghu (talk) 13:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Denghu, so you're claiming the IP 194.28.238.3 is not you? Just to be clear? Jeppiz (talk) 14:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jeppiz, my claim is that you assume something about my behaviour which is not true. There was no intent on my part to pretend to be someone else or deceive someone -- something that the term socking suggests. I also find your use of terms such as 'nationalist' inflammatory when commenting on the incident. Could you please explain yourself. Denghu (talk) 15:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Explain myself? I think I did, but ok, once more. In a recent edit war, both you and your IP sock took turns to revert. That is certainly against policy; at least that's what I thought. Jeppiz (talk) 15:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jeppiz, I'm still waiting for an explanation concerning your claim my edits were 'nationalist'. You haven't provided any yet, and if you can't explain that I will consider your allegations ungrounded and inflammatory ad hominem attacks. Denghu (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jeppiz, you have claimed that "Most notably, the IP even modified Denghus user page [267], removing any doubt about the socking." Given that Wikipedia defines sockpuppetry as "an online identity used for purposes of deception" will you please provide evidence that I had the intention to deceive you or any other Wikipedia user. Denghu (talk) 17:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not very clear that 194.28.238.3 is a sock of Denghu, though Denghu will receive no compliments for giving such a vague answer regarding his possible use of an IP. I've semiprotected the article for two months due to the participation of IPs who revert without using the talk page. In my opinion, neither Denghu nor Jeppiz should revert again before getting a clear talk page consensus. The result of the RfC is vague, so it's not clear who is reverting against it. A better RfC might be considered. If reverts continue, the next logical step may be blocks or full protection. EdJohnston (talk) 03:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those IPs are mine, I made edits without logging in, then decided to log in. I had no intent of hiding my identity. I access Wikipedia from two locations, and sometimes I do not remember to log in. Denghu (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the RfC is by no means vague; "Display the full population and note the split in footnotes where relevant" is quite certain in its terms. However if people would like it then a second RfC can always be opened to challenge the previous one. Until a new consensus is achieved, the old RfC should remain in effect. Shouldn't it? Mr rnddude (talk) 06:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps User:MelanieN who opened the RfC is willing to comment on whether she finds the RfC result to be decisive. EdJohnston (talk) 16:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. I opened that discussion without having an opinion one way or the other; my aim was just to settle the issue. It seems to me that the closure - "a general consensus seems to have emerged. Display the full population and note the split in footnotes where relevant" - was clear and decisive. But I have no objection if someone wants to open a new discussion on the issue. Consensus can change. And I have no comment about the current controversy; I haven't been following it. --MelanieN (talk) 03:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, we read the RfC closure as not deciding how footnotes should be placed, but as concluding that the full undivided population of Istanbul be reported in the list. So per that reasoning Jeppiz's edit accords with the RfC? The closer stated "Display the full population and note the split in footnotes where relevant" EdJohnston (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

===Evidence of socking=== I had thought not to comment further, but Denghu has been pinging me repeatedly. I've very rarely known EdJohnston to make mistakes, so when he said it wasn't clear 194.28.238.3 is a sock of Denghu, I accept the blame for not making it clear. So to answer both Denghu's repeated pinging of me and EdJohnston's comment, I'll address two topics. 1. Is 194.28.238.3 a sock of Denghu?, and 2. has Denghu used the sock contrary to policy? I'll show the answer to be yes on both accounts.

  • Is 194.28.238.3 a sock of Denghu? These two accounts share a remarkable overlap of interests. Some large, but some very specific. Shared interests include
  1. Russia-24, edited by Denghu [268] and by 194.28.238.3 [269].
  2. 2014 Ukrainian revolution, edited by Denghu [270] and by 194.28.238.3 [271]‎.
  3. Right Sector, edited by Denghu [272] and by 194.28.238.3 [273]
  4. Non-native pronunciations of English, edited by Denghu [274] and by 194.28.238.3 [275]
  5. Königsberg Cathedral, edited by Denghu [276] and by 194.28.238.3 [277]
  6. Washington Obkom, created by Denghu [278] and edited by 194.28.238.3 [279]
  7. Ofer Samra, created by Denghu [280] and edited by 194.28.238.3 [281]

The list could be made much longer, but I'd kindly ask EdJohnston (or any other admin) to consider the likelihood of the above list, including several very obscure articles, being a coincidence. I dare say it's the biggest WP:DUCK in Duckburg that one user is behind both Denghu and 194.28.238.3.

  • Has Denghu used the sock contrary to policy?

Having more than one account is discouraged but not against policy. However, editors with more than one account should not use them on the same pages, and the above list shows this to be very common. And when Denghu and the IP both participate in reverting in the same edit war [282], [283], then it is obvious that it's a case of using multiple accounts in violation of our policies. To me, there's not a shadow of a doubt that Denghu and 194.28.238.3 are the same account, and that Denghu has used the IP 194.28.238.3 contrary to policy. Jeppiz (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Denghu already said the IP was his...there were no edits made in the seven minutes between his IP and his account's edits to the article so I'm not sure how even a purposeful use of an IP could be considered abusive/gaming the system. Time to move on. Sepsis II (talk) 14:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have not seen Denghu acknowledge the IP to be his, just avoiding the question. The admins who have commented said they were unsure the IP was his sock, which is why I try to show it above. No admin has said that it is a sock used in accordance with policySepsis II, what about you stop stalking me? Yes, I gave you a warning for your constant edit warring. That's not a reason to stalk me. As you say, time to move on.Jeppiz (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for Denghu's clarification that two of the IPs are his. It does raise eyebrows to see Denghu and his IP both performing reverts in the same edit war at List of European cities by population within city limits. Now that the RfC has been clarified, I hope that the dispute on this article is over. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I had not seen the edit. Thanks EdJohnston. It of course make this section redundant. Preferably, Denghu will abstain from using more than one account to edit the same article in the future. Jeppiz (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threats by IP editor

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I don't really know what (if anything) should be done about this, so just raising it here. User:2001:558:600A:83:6038:EDC9:C7AA:DB8C says Wikipedia should be sued in this revision: [284]. Notifying on their talk page. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) I'm guessing an administrator will probably hand out a block for WP:NLT --Cameron11598(Talk) 08:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I tagged them with the {{uw-nlt}} template--Cameron11598 (Talk) 08:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]


  • No, the post wondered whether WP could be sued. Honestly, this running around like the sky is falling anytime anyone uses any one of twenty words connected to the law is now way past ridiculous. EEng 09:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the alleged legal threat was the only issue, I think an unblock would be in order. As EEng notes, there was no legal threat, just speculation. Silly and unhelpful speculation, but not a legal threat. WP:TROUTing please for Amakuru, whose complaint misrepresented the IP's statement -- and for Dennis Brown, who should have checked more thoroughly before blocking.
    However, I just took a peek at the IP's recent contributions, and see that thy have been engaged in a prolonged content dispute, in which the IP's actions included blanking as 45KB article[285] with the edit summary Deleted Everything by HistoryofEthiopia and EthiopianHabesha since they have decided to Attack this Article. I'm not particularly inclined to unblock an editor who behaves like that ... but the block is for the wrong reason. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 13:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously I was aware of the disruption, but I disagree with your analysis of WP:NLT, BrownHairedGirl BHG, which covers more than the direct "I will sue you" phrases, but also covers speech that is designed to have a chilling effect. This wasn't the worst case of a legal threat, but it was obviously trying to manipulate opinions using the potential threat of legal action to others, even if by a 3rd party. The totality of the circumstances, including previous behavior and the threat justified a block, in my yes. Anyone is free to take it to WP:AN for review if they so choose. Dennis Brown - 14:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This was an obvious attempt at intimidation. "The End of this Story is that ERITREAN TIGRINYAS will Not Be called Nor Accept and Will VIOLENTLY DESTROY anyone Who forces Ethiopian Tigrayan Identity upon them!" is clearly an attempt to sway the content of the article with threats of violence. The block was correct, very correct. I find it hard to believe that EEng would suggest this is not block worthy. We don't let people intimidate others here. HighInBC 14:30, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ach, I agree that the IP was being a disruptive, aggressive, POV-pushing nuisance, and deserved to be blocked. I just think that this situation was at best marginal wrt NLT, and that the block should have been explicitly for being a disruptive, aggressive, POV-pushing nuisance. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it matters what kind of intimidation they were using, intimidation is intimidation. However I disagree with your interpretation. The comment was clearly meant to have a chilling effect and it did so with warnings of legal action and physical violence. This is not marginal at all, this block would stand without their prior behaviour, just for that comment. HighInBC 14:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It matters, because under your hair trigger interpretation of NLT, even good-faith expressions of concern about legality (e.g. at a copyvio discussion) could be called "intimidation". All this I'm-the-bulwark chestbeating is laughable. Just ignore shit like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EEng (talkcontribs) 16:31, 30 May 2016‎
Did you read the comment? Do you really not see the intimidation there? Check my recent contribution history[286] and you will see that I don't interpret good-faith expressions as intimidation. HighInBC 16:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's just another way of saying that if you see something as good-faith then you see it as good faith. Regardless of intent, no one's actually intimidated, so why feed the troll and increase the paperwork load? You're one of a small group who sees LT where no one else does, and attach it's-a-big-deal import to what are just expressions of frustration. -- EEng 16:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Again, it's my block, I feel it was appropriate. Arguing here is pointless. If you want it reviewed, take it to WP:AN. Dennis Brown - 17:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've made my point, I'm far alone in feeling this way, and someday common sense may prevail so time can be spent productively elsewhere. No review, obviously, since there are other good block grounds. EEng 17:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to say I support Dennis Brown in this. The blocked editor clearly engaged in threat-of-violence intimidation that goes far beyond WP:CIVIL, and the perceived legal threat has to be evaluated within that context, which the admin, rightfully, did. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Stefanomione revisited

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This is a follow-up discussion to this one, which in 2012 resulted in, among other things, a ban on User:Stefanomione editing categories using HotCat or other automated tools. The reason for the restrictions was a long history of edits and creations in category space that many editors felt were inappropriate, confusing, and counterproductive.

It's over four years later now, and it's difficult to argue that much has changed. The quality of the categories created has not made a marked improvement, as far as I can tell. The majority of the user's talk page still consists of notifications that categories he has created have been nominated for deletion or other discussion. I close a fair number of discussions at WP:CFD, and I seem to be constantly closing discussions in which a variety of users say things like, "Oh no! Another Stefanomione category! When is someone going to do something about this?" His category creations eat up a tremendous amount of effort and time at CFD. He tends to defend his category creations and names at CFD, but in most cases the consensus decision goes against his arguments. This is certainly not "disruptive" when isolated cases alone are considered, but when it has been going on consistently for years in very high numbers, I feel there has to be some sort of end.

If this is not bad enough, the user has recently received a one-week block for using a sockpuppet to "vote-stack" at CFD in an apparent attempt to save some of the categories he has created: see here.

I think perhaps the time has come to reopen this issue and to see what editors with knowledge of the situation think should be done. Pinging those who participated in the previous discussion @Shawn in Montreal: @Oculi: @Axem Titanium: @Polisher of Cobwebs: @BrownHairedGirl: @Mike Selinker: @Pichpich: @Jc37: @Kbdank71: @Risker: @Begoon: @Abhijay: @MBisanz:Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks so much for raising this. What can I say that? I strongly agree a net negative at Cfd and an enormous time-suck there. It never ends. Much the low-hanging fruit have been categorized and he's given to increasingly pointless, idiosyncratic, "works in the phillosphy of foo", "foo works", "works in foo, works of foo by disciplines, most of which need to get fixed at Cfd after exhaustive and exhausting arguments with him. I'll just choose my most recentl Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_26#Category:Works_in_the_philosophy_of_history, where we get explanations like "I think we omit words here. We think -the works present a study in- and we say -the works in-. Maybe, we should wait the opinion of some philosophers of language," which of course, he had originally written as "philosophers in language. Anyway, these are the sort of stilted, logically muddled arguments that seem to go on with him lately, ad nauseum. It's as if he alone is this higher genius that the rest of us muggles can't grasp (and indeed his banned sock presented himself as a mathematical expert, etc.). I invite editors to look at his track record at CFD. He is a cancer on Wikipedia categorization. I know that sounds like a shockingly strong characterization but if me and other editors didn't expend enormous amounts of time and energy constantly killing off these outgrowths, our categorization structure would be in an even bigger mess. He is prolific, tireless, and when it matters most, clueless. He never learns. He'll never stop, unless we stop him, from forever finding new ways to split hairs over some new mangled construction of foo-works-of-this-in that that no one besides him probably gives a fuck about. As I said in a recent Cfd: this isn't categorization, this is masturbation. This is long past a way of helping readers find things. This is using our shared categorization system as his sandbox, ad infinitum. We need to permanently ban him from category creation, either with or without automated tools. We need to be rid of him, once and for all. I daresay we'd need to spend a lot of time cleaning up his messes for months to come -- and there may be socks to come -- but we'll be vastly better off. I know this comes across as sort of a howl of agony -- I feel that strongly about it. I will have more reasoned things to say later, I'm sure. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
oh, also, I wasn't sure whether to say this now or say there's later but I may as well get it out of the way: if he is allowed to continue to create categories I want to publicly state that will never again participate in any CFD related to him -- ever again. It's not a threat. It's just that if community cannot look at the totality of his work and see it for what it is, for what it has become, then I am just going to look away, and work elsewhere. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am shocked that this was not a permanent ban.--Mike Selinker (talk) 07:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • He just doesn't seem to understand that Wikipedia (and in particular Wikipedia categorization) should be a collaborative process in which if one gets negative feedback one should modify one's behaviour - at the very least making sure that you explain what you are doing to other editors (in edit summaries and discussions). That he used a sock puppet at CFD shows that he doesn't have the right attitude. Whilst it's difficult to find examples of single edits that are clearly a problem he causes a massive amount of churn in categorization without (afaics) significantly improving categorization. E.g. adding a category that he later deletes.
Thus, I support taking action against Stef - one or more of: a ban from participating in CFD (for reasons explained above), a ban from creating categories, a ban from using hotcat, a ban from anything to do with categories, a ban from making edits without a proper edit summary .... Possibly the most useful remedy would be a ban on making more than than a certain number of edits per day (perhaps 20 initially) on En Wp - that would force him to consider his edits more carefully, make it easier for other editors to keep up with the amount of cleanup work he causes and possibly make him consider editing in his native language wp instead (perhaps he does already or perhaps, as was the case with a previous problematical categorizer, he's already been blocked from his native language wp). DexDor (talk) 07:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Some answers given by Stefanomione
      • I work mainly in the field of Category:Main topic classifications, one or two levels below. Naming things on these levels is problematic for many editors. That doesn't make them problematic editors.
      • I start and re-organize on daily basis my own Category:Current events-creations. Take my (95 %) Category:Arab Spring-tree : events evolve, so does the naming of the Arab Spring-events. As creator and rewriter of almost all categories inside Category:Syrian Civil War (or should we say Category:Syrian civil war ?) and inside Category:terrorist incidents by perpetrator, I feel a lot of sabotage, not visible on my talk page. Organizing categories with contentious labels and content is indeed a risky business but doesn't make me a problematic or idiosyncratic editor.
      • I work also in Wikipedia.fr and Wikipedia.it : never discussed or blocked there.
      • For 2005 - 2015 : 6800 categories standing - 350 renamed, redirected or deleted.
      • The charts for 2016 : 830 category creations, 20 discussed on CFD, 2 kept, 12 pending, 2 renamed, 4 deleted = 0,41 % (trees included) of my 830 creations in 2016 dismantled.
      • The clean-up work after CFD : I eagerly take part in that.
      • Crowd intelligence : discussions about controversial (naming) issues bring progress.
      • What about this discussion [287] ? : first attacking me personnally, and then, reluctantly, defending my creation ...

Stefanomione (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

      • Support action myself I would be happy with a-300-a-week-edit-limit. This will force me to "sandbox before creating" and consider the excessively subtle linguistic distinctions (BrownHairedGirl) I make. Now, I have days with 400 edits. Stefanomione (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hi, BrownHairedGirl. What about this discussion [288] ? One of my categories contested. The closing administrator advised to 'split the tree'. Subsequently, I contributed a lot to this new tree. After four years, both trees still standing. Stefanomione (talk) 16:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yeah that was one where I had to retract comments. I had made them because I was outraged that you had just had your one week block for sockpuppetry lifted and you immediately resumed creating categories that were at best clumsily named. Look at the that Cfd: "History events" is never going to work as a category name because it's so patently confused with events in history. So that's another stilted, clueless name. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, Shawn, let's wait the outcome of the discussion [289]. Again, a naming issue inside Category:Main topic classifications. The category itself will be kept. Category:Philosophy events, Category:Astronomy events, ... : clumsily named, but not my creations. Again, why not attacking the tree instead of me ??? Stefanomione (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also am shocked that this idiosyncratic editor has not been banned indefinitely from category creation, before we get 'Works by work by paradigm'. Oculi (talk) 12:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I created Category:Works about ideologies and Category:Works by ideology. Idiosyncratic ? Maybe. Problematic ? I don't think so. Other editors then me completed the tree. Stefanomione (talk) 12:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't you even realize after all this time that your by your own admission "idiosyncratic" category work is a huge clean up problem for the rest of us. Many of us are sick of it. Categorization in the world's largest wiki isn't the place for you to be "idiosyncratic" at all? This isn't your crazy laboratory to try shit out. That doesn't get through. It'll never get through. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree. Wikipedia categories need to be maintained a wide variety of editors, and used by a huge variety of editors, so they only work if they are clear and consistent, and supported by a broad consensus. An idiosyncratic approach just creates a headache for everyone else ... and Stefanomione is unable or unwilling to grasp that central fact. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "I start and re-organize on daily basis my own..." is an insightful indication of part of the problem. That he does ceaselessly, daily continue with his stuff; that he considers certain categories his WP:OWN; and last but not least that he lacks the most basic language competence so as to omit the article "a" before daily basis. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 8:27 am, Today (UTC−4)
  • And why the heck must we endure endless pointless debates with him about what prepositions mean in his of/in categories when he thinks "Working in this fields..." is correct. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 8:31 am, Today (UTC−4)
  • Support strong action. I suggest a complete perma-ban on any edits relating to categories, broadly construed: no editing in the category or categtalk namespaces, no edits which would alter the categorisation of articles, no editing of templates which would affect either of those two, and no participation at CFD.
Congrats to Good Ol’factory for bringing this to ANI. After 4 years, it's quite clear that this problem isn't going to get any better, and is actually getting worse. The sockpuppetry is a new escalation, but the tendentious, disruptive IDONTHERARTHAT editing is an ongoing pattern. After watching this for many years, I think that there are several WP:COMPETENCE issues involved, of which the two most critical are:
  1. A persistent failure to communicate effectively in discussions. This may be an indication that English is not Stefanomione's first language, or an indication of something else; but whatever the cause, there are repeated examples that show Stefanomione does not use English effectively enough to allow them to communicate effectively in relation to the subtle complexity of the topic areas where they try categorisation. Many editors with poor English make valuable contributions by working within their limitations, but Stefanomione shows no sign of any willingness to learn those limitations.
  2. A persistent failure to learn from previous discussions. The sort of categories which Stefanomione creates are characterised by excessively subtle linguistic distinctions which create ambiguity, such as the two astronomy-related categories ("Astronomical works" and "Works about astronomy") which Stefanomione created on 8 May 2016, and were discussed at CFD 2016 May 9. This is essentially the same linguistic issue discussed 4 years ago at CfD 2012 April 12. 4 years on, it's still groundhog day.
Sure, Stefanomione is cheery and polite, but the ongoing disruption is grinding down the ability of other editors to undo the damage. The 2012 ANI discussuion ended with a compromise proposal for temporary restraint, to give Stefanomione time to learn ... but no learning has taken place.
As other editors have noted, tidying up these messes place a huge strain on CfD, which has a declining number of participants, and too few editors willing to commit the time to building expertise in the field. I have long since given up trying to engage in CfD debates with Stefanomione, and now Shawn in Montreal posts above that they are also going to withdraw. If this continues, there will be a further exodus of editors willing to waste their time cleaning up after Stefanomione.
4 years is quite long enough for an editor to listen and learn. Time for a perma-ban on category-related edits. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 14:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi BrownHairedGirl. Indeed, you bring up this naming issue inside the trees Category:Works about ideologies and Category:Works by ideology - The tree itself still standing and completed by other editors. In my opinion, we need some perspective here : why focusing on 0,4 % of my creations on CFD ? Of this 0,4 %, the content is still there, under a renamed category. Moreover, with my massive production, I appear proportionally very low on CFD : 2016: 20 times for 830 categories. Stefanomione (talk) 14:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Stefanomione, that comment is a good example of why you exasperate other editors. Let me enumerate some of the problems in that reply:
  1. Categories are not content; they are metadata which organises content. Discussion about content belongs elsewhere.
  2. The fact that 20 categories created by you have been at CFD this year is a big problem; that represents a lot of time wasted by other editors, cleaning up after you. You need to stop dumping so many problems on CFD, and remember that the higher your edit rate, the higher the accuracy needed.
  3. 20 out of 830 is 2.49% ... not the 0.4% you claimed. Your sockpuppet claimed to be a mathematician, but a basic mathematical error like this makes that look like a fabrication.
  4. The 20 categories at CFD this year are merely those which other editors have taken the trouble to challenge. As noted elsewhere, your "massive production" is itself a large part of the problem -- editors simply don't have time to take all yoir problematic categories to CFD.
  5. If the categories have been renamed or merged, that means that you got it wrong and someone else had to tidy up after you.
  6. Your reply is written in very poor English. Your why focusing on 0,4% is abysmal grammar. If you can't write good English, why are you naming categories on the English-language wikipedia?
  7. This discussion includes lots of very experienced editors noting that your editing remains very problematic. Why do you persist in believing that everyone else is all wrong?
Those 7 points relate to just 80 words written by you. It's an illustration of why engaging with you is so time-wasting and energy-sapping. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 15:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi BrownHairedGirl. Thank You for calling me cheery and polite. 2 out of 830 = 0.24096385542 %. I put my "error-rate" for 2016 higher, at 0.4 % because of the trees: a dismantled parent-category involves sub-categories as well. Stefanomione (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That was my typo (I omitted the zero out of "20"; now corrected). The error rate which you claimed was 20 out 830, which is 2.4%.
As noted elsewhere, the problem is not just your mistaken calculation, but the dodgy assumptions you use in choosing the numbers to make the calculations. You appear to assume (wrongly) that a category is fine unless it is actually deleted, taking no account of mergers or renamings; and you also assume wrongly that a categfory which has not yet been taken to CFD is fine. Wrong on both counts. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 16:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, and that's another thing: why, after all these years, when you surely should know better, did you invent the fake identity User:Tpetrosi, "a Pure Mathematician by profession," to intervene on your own behalf at Cfd. You've never acknowledged it. Never apologized. Nothing. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support action. The sockpuppeting shows a complete unwillingness to reform. Pichpich (talk) 14:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support topic ban. Even in my dramatically reduced editing time, I still run across a confusing Stefanomione category more often than I could imagine possible. I think the low % of his categories that have been taken to CFD is more an indication of the massive number of categories he creates, not that there is broad consensus for the categories themselves. I'm sure the number would be much higher if someone had the time and patience to babysit every one of his edits, which is clearly an unreasonable ask of anyone. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm also not sure where these numbers are coming from. I am one editor who has stopped placing Cfd notices on his user talk page. 14:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
  • But then, this remarks don't fit well when considering this : my 2004-2005-2006-2007 creations almost NEVER appeared on CFD. Production then was 40-50 edits or 2/3 categories a day. Slower, but still massive. Is it technically possible to publish my watchlist detailing my creations ? If yes, I could prove the 0,4 % "error-rate" (= red marked deletions). Stefanomione (talk) 15:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But that's part of my argument of why we have to shut you off. I didn't say you were never of help. But as I stated above, you have become a huge net negative at Cfd. The early low-hanging fruit work has largely been done -- @Fgnievinski: pointed this out to you back on May 3, at the Cfd for your now-deleted Category:Historical works. But you're unable to stop and you've become increasingly preoccupied with "idiosyncratic" experiments in x of/in y/ y-ian names that do little else than satisfy your own ego. You are, to put in mildly, going off the rails: I don't know if the Stefanomoine of 2004-2007 would have created User:Tpetrosi. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And again, "this remarks don't fit well..." Yet you're the one who tediously argues with us that we don't understand how you're correctly using English prepositions, etc.? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Oh dear ... here we go again. I will try again to unpick some of the points this latest round of Stefanomione silliness:
  1. The fact that your category creations did not appear at CFD does not mean that they are good. It just means that no editor has yet challenged them. This may be because they are good ... but it may also be because editors were fed up with the time-consuming task of tidying up after you, and the brain-sapping exasperation of trying to discuss these issues with someone whose command of English is so poor.
  2. You don't seem willing to consider the point made by others that you have declined from making good categorisations a decade ago, to your recent sprees of increasingly bizarre and convoluted idiosyncratic categories
  3. If it is true that, as you claim, you made far fewer errors when you worked more slowly, then why have you speeded up and increased your error rate?
  4. As I noted above, your claim of a "0.4% error rate" is based on a failure to understand percentages. Please learn maths before trying to use maths.
  5. Your assumption that red-links indicate the sum total of your errors is mistaken. Inappropriate categories may be repurposed, or they may be redirected after merger or renaming.
It really is a huge waste of everyone's time to try to seek consensus with someone whose contributions are so persistently silly. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do see that Stefanomione states well above that he would now "Support action" against himself, so as to force him to restrain his actions here. Which seems to be another way of saying what I have been arguing from the outset, that he is not in control of himself. I have never seen anyone so obsessed with maintaining his influence over categorization, by any means. Let me put this another way: you need to find something else to do with your time -- or your life. You have just stated that you find yourself unable to voluntarily stop yourself from creating 400+ category edits per day. And again, now you've descended into sockpuppetry to abet this. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not therapy. You've been here a while but it is in everyone's best interests that you and this project now part ways. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just an intro phrase, Shawn. Nothing more. Indeed, I'm there since 2005. By average, 300 edits a week. That is why I mentioned the number 300. I never descended in sockpuppetry, only accused of doing so. Never notified to come up with proofs. Strange IP-theft by some 6-edit practical joker, I guess. But back to the core of the discussion : the combination "being prolific" + "Main topic classifications" - "Current event classifications" - naming issues, ... as I said, the sandbox waits for me. Stefanomione (talk) 17:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Never notified to come up with proofs" is a lie. You were notified of this SPI. "Strange IP-theft by some 6-edit practical joker" is you suggesting that the reason checkuser confirmed this as a linked account to you is that someone hacked you solely to support you fictitiously at Cfd? You really expect us to believe this nonsense? Your persistent attempts to say, 'oh, well, the issue is not me it's this darn category name now back to the sandbox' is not going to fly. The "core of the discussion" is not one particular category name, it's you: a disruptive and frankly delusional problem editor. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Back to some perspective : 6500 categories bear my name, went undisputed, and, in my opinion, after 11-10-9-8-7-... year, never will be disputed. Fulminating against an error-rate of 0.4 % is out of proportion, especially for this Crowd intelligence project. My access-code to the IP-network was changed at 13 May 2016, 23.59 ... The complete story of this case remains unexplained to me. Stefanomione (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike V:, we spoke briefly when I asked why you had only blocked this user for a single week at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stefanomione/Archive. Stefanomione is continuing to deny sockpuppetry, asking us to buy a story that "access-code to the IP-network was changed at 13 May 2016, 23.59" in order for someone to gain access to his IP, solely so as to support him at Cfd. As we are trying to determine whether any further good faith should be extended to this editor (I argue vigorously that it should not) I'd like to know from the SPI closer what to make of this hijacked account argument, which seems to me to be a rather preposterous lie -- but I am no expert in this matters. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I changed personnally the code to my home-network at 13 May 2016, 23.59 ... The so-called sockpuppet could not enter my home-network after 23.59, and he didn't. Shawn, there was never a hijacked account, but somebody working on another device (computer ?) using my home-network ... So, his device was very near my modem. Stefanomione (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So you have a next door neighbour, who created an account, User:Tpetrosi, solely to echo your arguments at Cfd. And yet you have no idea who this might be. And never raised it during the SPI. And it's a mystery, you have no idea who this person might be. You're asking us to believe this. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From what I saw with the technical evidence, this is highly unlikely. In addition, it brings forth further questions, such as why this other individual knew that you had a Wikipedia account, the name of your account, and why the individual would have supported you in the same areas of discussion with the same rationale. Respectfully, I don't believe that Stefanomione is being truthful here. Mike VTalk 19:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unlikely, but technically possible without codebreaking or intruding, just by using my internet modem. Maybe I should add two more things : I run a bookstore/ library near an education center. That I am a Wikipedian is very well known to some 100-200 students or visitors, who surf freely on my network (code is put at the entrance). The name of my Wikipedia account resembles the name of the store. These are the plain facts. Very soon, I will install a private network. I regret this incident, the only one in many years. I take full responsibility for the incident. Stefanomione (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that took some time. Even if that's the case, the main issue here is the long-running behaviour in disruptive category creation, the disregard of community consensus to stop, indeed, the apparent inability to stop -- not the SPI, or any one particular Cfd alone. And I'm truly glad to hear that you're as busy as that. Because if I -- as I dearly hope -- we do manage to finally and permanently block you, once and for all, you have other things to occupy your time. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Back to the main issue, indeed ... Could give an answer here, Shawn ... I repeat my question : 6500 categories bear my name, went undisputed, and, in my opinion, after 11-10-9-8-7-... year, never will be disputed. Don't you think that fulminating against an error-rate of 0.4 % is out of proportion, especially for this Crowd intelligence project ? Stefanomione (talk) 20:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Stefanomione ... for the love of god (or a non-god, if you prefer), would you drop this ridiculous 0.4% nonsense? As explained above, it is bad maths applied to a completely bogus set of figures.
And I don't believe this very belated explanation for the sockpuppetry, which you wheeled out nearly 2 weeks after you were blocked, and only when it is has become clear that this discussion shows 100% support for sanctions on you. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 20:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I took full responsibility for the incident, took my sanction and didn't appeal that sanction. We are discussing something else here :
      • Quote 1 (on this page) : Whilst it's difficult to find examples of single edits that are clearly a problem ....
      • Quote 2 (on this page) : ... not the SPI, or any one particular Cfd alone ...

So, not my contributions (6500 categories still standing) seem at stake, but the way I edit, not my creations themselves, but the way I create. Isn't that a personal attack on the contributor (not on the contributions themselves) ? Stefanomione (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the unending torrent of category edits ever stopped, one day maybe someone might perform the monumental undertaking of sorting through all of them and we'll see how many of those 6500 categories still stands at the end. Currently, it's meaningless to point to them and say WP:ITEXISTS if you are the one who put it all there. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I count seven editors who support action to stop Stefanomione's category changes (Axem Titanium + BrownHairedGirl + DexDor + Good Ol’factory + Mike Selinker + Oculi + Shawn in Montreal) and no opposes apart from Stefanomione who has made 14 comments here without acknowledging the opposition. The complete disinterest in what others think shows the problem is real and an indefinite topic ban from creating or changing categories is required. It appears several months of peace and quiet would be needed for those working on categories to assess what should happen with Stefanomione's creations, with 224 new categories in April and May 2016 alone. Johnuniq (talk) 10:31, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Make that eight editors. I would definitely support a topic ban of significant length. Pichpich (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
it does have to be permanent, in my opinion, I'm afraid. I believe we blocked him from using automated category creation tools for year, and he offered all the usual bromides about being more careful, etc. But eventually he's going to return to form. He's admitted he can't help himself. There's something very unhealthy about this relationship, and the degree to which one obsessive editor of questionable mental competence - sorry, but that's how I see it -- has been allowed to use the categorization structure of the English Wikipedia, one of the world's largest websites, as his (in his own words) sandbox. I think it's nuts that we let it go this far. I do feel that anything other than permanent is just kicking the can down the road, once again. And as has been noted above, it's important to keep in mind not just the time spent endlessly cleaning up after him at CFD, but how that time could otherwise have been productively spent elsewhere. Categorization at this Wikipedia must now enter the Post-Stefanomione Era, full stop. Thanks. I won't comment again, unless requested. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:44, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The word we tend to use here is "indefinite", not "permanent". That said, as someone else noted above, the general sense of I-didn't-hear that, is pervasive. Once several editors are involved, like at cfd, the editor then will start to negotiate, to try to get what they want, possibly under a different name or set of names. All the while editors are saying that the category is inappropriate.

Now to be fair, the editor will discuss, but let me give one example that didn't go to CFD - Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive/Works and media. The thing to note though, isn't so much the discussion, but rather how clear it makes it that the editor waded in, created a bunch of categories, all without understanding the underlying concepts at all.

Then CFD or a similar discussion becomes a group education session. I don't think anyone here would mind answering questions. But not after-the-fact, requiring cleanup of hundreds of categories. (This can disruptively affect existing structures that are undone by this as well.) We have "article for creation" and other such places on Wikipedia. But the category system, unlike most of Wikipedia, isn't as easy to reconstruct after a disruptive editor edits it. The edits are scattered across many pages, and if socking is involved, this can be an overall loss.

So all of that said, I Support a category editing ban (creation/modification, broadly construed). I would also Support mentorship, if someone was interested, though the tendency to jump in regardless of understanding makes me hesitant to predict that being a success. - jc37 08:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC

I'm glad you were fair and mentioned this discussion (Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive/Works and media). And then, remember, the massive renaming was done (almost exclusively) by me, without tools. But let me tell, it goes without explanation that I Support some kind of mentorship. Stefanomione (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that after 4 years of Stefanomione's persistent failure to learn the limits of their abilities, mentorship would just be a mechanism for some other editor to spend a lot of time and energy trying to explain to Stefanomione a set of concepts which Stefanomione cannot or will not grasp. That will just bring us back again to considering some sort of a ban.
Since the destination is clear, let's save all the community energy involved in postponing the inevitable, by implementing the ban now. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 10:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can, BrownHairedGirl, I can and I will grasp the set. Stefanomione (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's a few examples of Stef's edits. Here he put articles such as this one about a naval attack in a category for airstrikes. He recently created Category:Categories_by_art (CFD) and related categories that (for example) put Category:Musical techniques in Category:Visual arts. Note: It's quite understandable when editors who don't specialise in categorization (e.g. those editors who mainly add content) don't categorize a new article perfectly (in fact, that's a good reason for keeping categorization as simple as possible - something Stef seems to be working against) - but Stef is an editor who works only in changing categorization (many thousands of edits) and still gets it wrong (whether that's by poor English, lack of understanding of categorization, a slapdash approach or a combination of all 3) - e.g. building elaborate unnecessary categorization structures that take a lot of editor time to dismantle (whilst also causing watchlist noise for other editors). Another example (from a few years ago, but he mentions Arab Spring categorization above) - he took 6 edits to add a category tag to an article (which had been well-categorized by the article creator) - and that category was then renamed by CFDS before being deleted at CFD. DexDor (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also glad you mentioned this, DexDor,as it clearly shows that in the heat of the events where violence had taken over politics, I mean the 2011 spring - (Category:Arab Spring) -, I managed to leave only one white-noise element, out of 250 subcategories dealing with the revolutionary events which I "covered" on a daily basis back in 2011 (until now - The Arab Winter). Just to show the extent of the Arab Spring-tree (all mine) and the subsequent Arab Winter-tree (all mine) :
@Stefanomione: AFAICS, most of the other editors participating in this discussion have made more edits than you; some have made a whole order of magnitude more edits than you have. So your repeated boasting about making lots of edits is unlikely to impress. And the your choice of words in making that claim is very unhelpful to your case.
As to your claimed error rate, how many times does thid need to be explained to you? That the fact a category has not yet been merged/deleted/renamed/restructured merely means that it has not yet been merged/deleted/renamed/restructured. It does not necessarily mean that it is a good idea. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 19:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Stef, I don't understand all of your comment (I think your limited English language skills are part of the problem). Your continued (and afaics consistent) use of numbers in format "0,4 %" suggests that you have an extreme lack of understanding (and/or unwillingless to accept) the conventions of the English language Wikipedia (do you ever look at the content of En Wp articles?). I've just had a look at Category:Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War and see various problems with it - take, for example, Category:Italian involvement in the Syrian Civil War (which you didn't create) - it contained 2 articles neither of which belongs in it. If you want to do something useful in categorization then you could start clearing up these categories by removing articles from them where it is inappropriate categorization - e.g. here's one I've just done. DexDor (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi DexDor. I know. I'll clean all the subcats. Consider this discussion - and ... I didn't create Category:German involvement in the Syrian Civil War either . So, Category:Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War contains 16 creations bearing my name (not 18). Stefanomione (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As devil's advocate on a fairly trivial issue — FWIW, I'm a native-English-speaking American, and I prefer using "0,4%" over "0.4%". (I don't really like Stefanomione's space before the percent sign, but I prefer the , for marking the decimals.) I don't see a problem with Stefanomione using their preferred number format on talk pages, as long as they can be understood and as long as they follow MOS in article space…. Goldenshimmer (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Attempting to clarify

@Stefanomione: Perhaps this will help:
1.) The purpose of the category system is navigation. It is not a "tagging" system to group things in as many ways as we can. That has been repeatedly opposed since the creation of the category system. This is reflected in policy. See WP:CAT and WP:OC in particular.
2.) a discussion here at WP:AN/I is usually more about behaviour than content. What editors are trying to explain to you above is that your behaviour - the mass creation/addition/modification/deletion of categories that you have been doing for years now - is seen as disruptive and counter-productive.
3.) Counting your number of edits has little bearing in this discussion. Indeed, repeating the vast amounts of edits to the category system which you have done, which, even after several years, we are still working on cleaning up (see this for example), is not helping your case at all.
I hope this helps clarify. - jc37 20:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And no, it's not lost on me that even this discussion is another "i didn't hear that", educational discussion. Though in this case, while I think it's fair to note the editor shouldn't be required to understand this page, I think the fact that this discussion is comparable to previous discussions of their lack of understanding of the category system, is telling - jc37 20:20, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Jc37. I acknowledge all that has been said on this page. To help in the clean-up, I will publish the list of all my creations (special website - 120 pages) before Friday the 3th of June. I hope I can participate in the brush-up. Stefanomione (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Stefanomione, the idea that you might "participate in the brush-up" is precisely what I want to avoid. It's quite clear from this discussion and from your latest edits (some of which I listed below) that you simply do not understand what the problem is ... and that since you don't understand the problem, any attempts by you to fix it will just create an even bigger mess to clean up.
If you want to help, just stay away from categories entirely. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stefanomione's latest contribs

While an editor's contributions are being discussed at ANI, it's likely that they will be aware of heightened scrutiny, and take a little extra care in their edits. So I took a look at Stefanomione's contributions so far today. The problems leap out at me, but here's a sample:

  1. 09:19 — Category:Counterculture added[290] to Category:Political works, and head article Counterculture also added[291] to that category.
    Not all of the counterculture is political, and much of its is not a creative work -- for example, Category:Counterculture contains Gay Liberation Front, Battle of the Beanfield, Slacker, and various biographies -- none of which are "works" in the creative sense.
  2. 08:37 — Category:The arts and politics added[292] to Category:Political works.
    Most of the contents of Category:The arts and politics are not actually works; they are about social movements or types of art.
  3. 08:13 — Category:Politics in popular culture given[293] a new sort key for Category:Works about politics.
    Of itself, that seems innocuous ... but I see that it was Stefanomione who added [294] that category back in 2012. The problem is that Category:Politics in popular culture is a topic category which does not belong in a set category such as [:Category:Works about politics]]. The three articles which are not in subcats are Black president in popular culture (United States), Political parallelism and Politics in The Simpsons, and none of them are works.
    Similarly, Category:Politics in fiction is (correctly) a subcat of Category:Politics in popular culture ... but significant chunks of its content are not "works".
  4. 08:11 — Category:Political literature was removed[295] from Category:Political works and media by country.
    I noticed that Category:Political works and media by country was redlinked, so I investigated why: it was deleted at 10:44, 29 May 2016 by the admin Anthony Bradbury as "G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page". Sure enough, Stef had tagged[296] the page for G7 deletion, and it was Stef who had created it [297] in 2012 ... but the page had been edited by 2 other editors, so it didn't meet G7. The admin missed a trick in not checking the history, but Stef should not have made this unfounded request. This out-of-process deletion of a 4-year-old category suggests that Stef may be asserting some sort of WP:OWNership of the categories they created.

In that brief trawl, I spotted a lot more of these subtle miscategorisations, but I don't have the time to write them all up. However, those 4 examples from Stefanomione's work in only 6668 minutes today illustrate the depth of the problem, because those errors are being done while Stefanomione is under intense scrutiny here. How bad does it get when the spotlight is turned off? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Very Frustrated The frequent unclear or strange changes is wasting time especially given the huge volume. The premise that a low percentage of these changes has been undone strikes me as hollow since the CFD process has such low participation. I wouldn't mind helping a new, low volume editor clean up the terribly named Category:History events but the attitude is that it's my job to clean up Stefanomione's mess with tons of arguing with other editors in that discussion but no attempt to fix an obviously misnamed category. (Go ahead and link my edits to that conversation; I come by far the closest to agreeing with you on that discussion.)
I'll defer to the other editors on the best action to take here. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sound of Music (film) MarnetteD keeps undoing people's edits and creating frustration

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Recently s/he deleted the `Titles Around the World' section complaining it was unsourced (because the material comes from within Wikipedia) and because according to him/her it had little interest for English speaking readers. Sing-Along Sound of Music theategoers would seem to disagree with that assessment.

Before that, they reverted other people's edits to this and other pages and have a history of generally engaging in frustrating people because s/he thinks that s/he's the king/queen of Wikipedia.

Do something about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.157.201 (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely, since MarnetteD's edits appear to be correct (Wikipedia is not a reliable source: see WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source) and the material you added was otherwise unsourced and, yes, uninteresting - um... I mean ... not encyclopedic. BMK (talk) 05:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ummm - did you see the big orange box when you began your edit here, the one that says that you must notify am editor when you start a discussion about them? Well, you don't seem to have done that, so I did it for you. BMK (talk) 05:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Here's what this IP editor had to say on their talk page about a year ago:

When I was teaching, the last time I had to tolerate challenges to my work, my children were little and I wasn't even on tenure track yet. As I have become a respected member of the community - it's like a drill instructor in the military. you do what I tell you or you're not in this man's (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard etc) very long.

And like I said - generally people leave me and my work alone even on Wikipedia. To the first-time offenders I tell them just what I wrote on the AN page. Hardheads that do it again I stomp on, and repeat offenders I report to administration - and THEN they go bother somebody else - especially since blocking entire ranges of an ISP in the big city or major university is pointless. [298]

It doesn't appear that this IP has learned anything much in the intervening months. BMK (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then, after they were blocked for edit-warring a month later, they said this:

You may have me backed into a corner for now due to the technological limitations of this itty bitty town out in the podunks and it may be true that I can't attend to you here and now as I'd like, but once I ditch this retirement life and move back to the Peninsula where I belong - where I can hang up every twenty minutes and get a new IP - all your blocking threats will return to the status of ``ineffective and a waste of time.

Especially when I re-inherit my cadre of graduate student assistants who will like nothing better than to re-revert everybody's reversions all day long everyday - and then hang up every twenty minutes as well to get a new IP. [299]

Can you say WP:BATTLEFIELD? (And I certainly hope this "tenured professor" from a "major unverisity" isn't involved in any way with the use of the English language. "Out in the podunks" is not an idiomatic English expression. It's the kind of thing a half-educated kid trying to sound old and tough might say. In any case, what tenured professor edit wars over a list of a film's names in other countries? That's fanboy territory.) BMK (talk) 05:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then there's this:

1. Major university professors who are tenure-protected do not "seek consensus" or "discuss controversial changes" with A) kids who could be their students B) people who have little to no personal knowledge about the subject at hand and C) are only interested in following a process/flowchart. I've been telling my students and trainees for 50 years: The world is full of clones. Do your best not to become one.[300]

Old dog, apparently only knows old tricks. BMK (talk) 05:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then when asked why they couldn't edit collaboratively, they answered:

Because come January, there'll be more of us results-oriented reverters than there will be of you process oriented cubicle warriors.

1. The next time you have success telling your university professors, corporate executives, law enforcement or anybody else how to do their job, let me know I'll call the networks to send in Film at Eleven.

2. When's the last time you tried to "educate" or "teach" a 72 year old tenured university professor in newer and/or better ways of doing things that had any lasting effect?

3. Like I said - once my graduate-student staff and I can hang up every twenty minutes and get a new IP - see above under "huge staff doing nothing all day long but reverting everybody's reversions."

More WP:BATTLEFIELD (and, like a kid, no awareness that 11pm newscasts are not network, they're local - again, trying to sound smarter then they are), and admission they they cannot learn to do things the way Wikipedia wants them to be donw. BMK (talk) 05:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Still they're consistent

And then I'll reboot my internet, get a new IP address and go back to what I was doing. You guys can't block everybody on Verizon, AT&T or whoever, and if you do the reverse (block every page on Wikipedia from being edited only by people logged into the system), well, then you've just shot yourself in the foot and violated your own reason for being on the Internet. [301]

That was just this April.
So, what've we got here? WP:BATTLEFIELD attitude, inability or lack of interest in learning how to edit collegaially, constant use of the Argument from authority (How do we know he's a tenured professor? He certainly doesn't act like one. What he acts like is a headstrong stuck-up brat. Or maybe he's a dog, I dunno. Probably even dogs know that grad students don't jump out of an airplane without a parachute just because the prof says to.) Doesn't seem to have gotten a handle on signing comments, or using quotation marks (I fixed them).
I think what we've got is a WP:BOOMERANG for someone who is essentially WP:NOTHERE to do what we do. BMK (talk) 05:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't too riled up looking into much more of the IP's history. The IP wants "something to be done" about "it", with "it" being that MarnetteD "reverted other people's edits to this and other pages and have a history of generally engaging in frustrating people because s/he thinks that s/he's the king/queen of Wikipedia". Meh. Just close the report because it's not going to result in any action against MarnetteD. A waste of time. Doctalk 05:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, as far as MarnetteD goes, but I rather think a block of this excess baggage of an editor is called for. BMK (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, I'm not "riled up", I am bemused mildy amused. BMK (talk) 06:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to EEng for the catch. BMK (talk) 14:13, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't mean riled up in a bad way. I was actually hanging out with a friend named Riley earlier and the "riled up" expression sorta carried over from that. No offense! Doctalk 06:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
None taken! BMK (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Content dispute that belongs if anywhere on the article's talk page, not here at ANI, but since there is no precedent to ever posting a list of foreign titles of English-language films in a wiki article, this case is dead in the water anyway. Please note: The IP is a former registered account who has returned to disrupt Wikipedia and who made threats against MarnetteD a year ago: [302]. Make of that, or do with that, what you will, including the fact that the IP stressed there that IP-hopping would be his next ploy. Definitely not WP:HERE, and definitely here to disrupt. Softlavender (talk) 06:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The IPs complaint is a content dispute (and, as you say, "dead in the water"), but the suggestion for a BOOMERANG is not. Your evidence just adds to it. 'Nuff said. BMK (talk) 06:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is anyone willing to open a SPI on this one? We could simply block per the WP:NOTHERE information page, but it seems as if there is admitted socking here... Doctalk 06:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Socking and LTA and apparent IP-hopping (or intentions to IP-hop). Softlavender (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The statement that gets me the most is at the end of this post.[303] Not good at all. Doctalk 06:56, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please take your attitudes back to the Castro and East Village where they belong. Thank you. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 07:06, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is just a stupid "contribution" from an IP with a very poor editing record: both WP:BATTLEFIELD and WP:NOTHERE apply. MarnetteD is certainly among the best editors we have on Wikipedia and should not have to put-up with nonsense like this. David J Johnson (talk) 08:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well reading the IPs post with my morning coffee is a treat :-) My thanks to everyone who has replied to the them. The only things I have to add are that I should have added WP:INDISCRIMINATE to my edit summary about the list at the SoM article and the fact that the IP still does not feel that WP:RSing is needed with their edits shows a WP:NOTGETTINGIT mentality. Finally, I am just an unpaid volunteer (with no pretensions to anything) like everyone else. Cheers. MarnetteD Talk 12:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unpaid?! Drop Jimbo a note on his talkpage, and he'll sort that out. I get $1 from him for each and every edit. Ker-ching. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 12:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only $1 per edit? You been swindled, Lugnuts. Jimbo pays me 1 million dollars per edit. --BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 20:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And now we know who to blame the fundraising banners on. TimothyJosephWood 21:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Should 66.102.157.201 be blocked?

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NE Ent's close of the discussion above as a content dispute is defendable, but only barely, because the discussion had clearly moved on to the question of whether 66.102.157.201 should be BOOMERANG blocked for all the reasons given above: NOTHERE, BATTLEFIELD, INDISCRIMINATE, NOTGETTINGIT, NPA and so on. If the IP was an account, an indef block would be in order, but since it's an IP, a long block (i.e. a year, perhaps) should be considered. BMK (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PROPOSAL: For all the reason given in the archived section above, 66.102.157.201 should be blocked for a long period of time, to be determined by the blockng admin.

Also, I think we have a legal threat here... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The user appears to be too arrogant, opinionated and uncivil to have much of a future on WP. The reverted comments on this very page are enough to demonstrate that.--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The IP has been at it for almost a year, time for a boomerang to fly. Kleuske (talk) 09:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Any logged in user would have been blocked long before now with this style of editing. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support block of 66.102.157.201 (talk · contribs) and also Semi-protect his target article or articles for a good stretch. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:07, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A chunky block of the IP. Threats to repeatedly 'hang up' and keep getting new IPs, and to encourage the others to do so, is grounds enough, let alone other factors raised above. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 10:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This IP has gone on far too long with threats, arrogance, general disruption and encouraging others to disrupt the project. An indefinite block, together with protection of the articles is called for. David J Johnson (talk) 12:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Arrogant tool needs to be taught a lesson. oknazevad (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per general intransigence and legal threat above. TimothyJosephWood 19:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on WP:CIR grounds, for being clueless enough to think he's fooling anyone with the "professor" act. Funny how people who huff that they're academic bigshots always use language never heard in academia (such as tenure-protected), people who insist they're lawyers never know the difference between libel and liable, and so on (though for whatever reason, "doctors" usually turn out to be doctors, in my experience). I think it's cute that he seems to be using dialup, and my guess is that he's drunk. EEng 19:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Well warranted, though keep in mind that IP blocks can be wack-a-mole. Coretheapple (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Block the IP editor and semi-protect pages as needed. Threats to disrupt Wikipedia are a good enough reason by themselves. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Snow, much? EEng 23:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The two named accounts are matches for Citrus Party (talk · contribs). All already blocked. Checkuser can't link named accounts with IP's and am not seeing enough to make that link solely on behavioural grounds. However the IP's have a solid history of sock threats, refusal to follow en-WP policy and general pointless hostility. There is no indication that they will stop behaving this way despite repeated requests, so I've blocked the latest one (x201) for a month to prevent the continued disruption. Hopefully that's long enough for the problem to rectify itself, but let's wait and see. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, let's see what develops. BMK (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Development is that they are getting even more battleground-ey. Probably should revoke their talk page access, since they're obviously not going to use it for anything productive. --Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 18:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Am reluctant to block the talkpage of an IP. Will revisit in a few days, or if they get a lot more offensive. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your reluctance, but I think you need to do it, since the IP is simply waving red flags trying to get someone to charge at him. Definitely trolling at this point. BMK (talk) 05:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm contemplating ignoring him and his alleged huge staff, in the hope he gets bored. Ranting on an IP usertalk seems pretty harmless. But am not that fussed - if anyone else wants to remove talkpage access on the grounds of disruptive trolling, they should do so with my blessing. -- Euryalus (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WHAT!!! Ignore the huge phalanx of grad students he's going to have lined up (real soon now) to disrupt Wikipedia!!!! Oh mercy, is there no one left who cares?! Who will there be now to protect us from the deprivations of his hideous strength?
(OK by me.) BMK (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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