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기타 링크

대화 페이지 상호 작용 금지

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

나 자신과 사용자 사이의 6개월 상호 작용 금지를 제안하고 싶다.기사토크페이지에 있는 어필리.비록 우리의 대화가 미개한 것은 아니지만, 현재 종교에 관한 다양한 대화 페이지에 대해 같은 주장을 반복하는 반복적인 패턴이 있다.상호 작용 금지가 완벽할 것이다.첫 번째는 토크였다.하나님은 작년과 최근 토크쇼를 하고 있다.요셉(야곱의 아들)이 시간 낭비를 끝낼 수 있는 지원을 몇 개 받을 수 있을까?감사합니다.2013년 3월 21일 메서드 토크 통과(UTC)[응답]

  • 코멘트 6개월또한 나는 시간이 많이 걸리는 대화 페이지 토론보다 비굴함을 더 선호한다.서로 관심사가 비슷해서 기사 편집이 어렵다.그를 만난 이후로 나는 기사 토크 페이지에서 그와 대화하는 데 내 시간의 절반을 위키피디아에 소비하는데, 그것은 내가 AfD나 로그 같은 것에 쓰는 것을 더 선호한다.메서드 토크 13:44, 2013년 3월 21일(UTC) 통과[응답]
  • 설명:Pass a Method와 나는 꽤 오랫동안 의견 차이를 보여온 것은 사실이지만, 내 의견으로는 토크 페이지 커뮤니케이션을 중단하는 것은 그것을 해결하는 데 도움이 되지 않을 것이다.우리가 여전히 서로를 오해하고 있는 것 같기 때문에, 더 나은 의사소통이 필요하다.나는 토론이 당면한 문제에 초점을 맞추는 한, 시간이 많이 걸리는 토론이 무질서한 것보다는 낫다고 생각한다.

    또한 현재 WT에서 RfC가 실행 중이기 때문에 왜 이런 일이 발생하는지 잘 모르겠다.만약 해결된다면 우리의 문제를 해결할 수 있는 위키프로젝트 종교(누군가 코멘트를 하고 싶다면, 그건 그렇고, 모든 관점은 환영이야!)~Adjwilley (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 14:35 (UTC)[응답]

  • 거의 모든 토론은 "그 종교들은 기독교만큼 눈에 띄지 않는다"로 요약된다.나는 이슬람과 시크교에 대해 간접적으로 그런 말을 하는 것조차 본 적이 있다.그것은 토론이 아니라 WP:크리스찬포브.메서드 토크 통과 2013년 3월 21일(UTC)[응답]
나는 동의하지 않는다.때로는 기독교가 더 눈에 띄고 때로는 그렇지 않다.기사의 주제에 따라 다르다.위에서 언급한 요셉(야곱의 아들) 기사에서 가장 눈에 띄는 것은 유대교다.god 기사에서 기독교와 이슬람은 동등한 비중(그러나 여전히 IMO가 그리 많지 않고, 현재 기사에 있는 것보다 적다)을 받아야 한다.날 믿어, 난 기사에서 기독교 POV를 없애는 것에 전적으로 찬성하지만, 라엘리즘, 에칸카르, 드루이디즘과 관련된 기사들을 링크스팸플릿으로 돌아다니는 것은 그렇게 하는 방법이 아니야.어쨌든 이곳은 이런 논의의 장이 아니므로, 위에서 언급한 RfC에서 이 실마리를 닫고 향후 논의의 초점을 맞추자고 제안한다.~Adjwilley (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 15:21 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논평에서 당신이 말한 것과 내가 실제 알크 페이지에서 본 것은 두 가지 다른 것이다.메서드 토크 통과 2013년 3월 21일(UTC)[응답]
  • 극단적으로 강한 반대 의견 일치로 이어질 수 있는 긍정적 논의 금지?아니. 오늘은 안돼. 내일은 안돼. 다음 주 언젠가 안돼.어쩌면 주제-여러 기사에 걸쳐서만 토크 페이지를 사용할 수 있도록 두 사람 모두를 금지하고, 서로의 토크 페이지로부터 당신을 금지할 수는 없겠지만, 이 시점에서 기사 토크 페이지로부터 당신을 금지할 필요는 없다 (문학적으로나 비유적으로) 아무것도 성취하지 못할 것이기 때문이다( figur→BWilkins←) 15:44, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자 대화:틸 오일렌시겔

사용자:Til Eulenspiegel은 자신의 토크 페이지를 사용하여 위키백과의 보이콧을 옹호하고 편집자를 공격한다. 사용자:더그웰러사용자:드바흐만.틸은 오랜 역사를 가지고 있다. 인종 차별과 주류 역사의 "남성 백인" 개념을 옹호하는 사람들에 의해 "진리"를 감추기 위한 음모를 꾸민다.그가 자주 채택하고 있는 위협적이고 폭언적인 접근법을 고려할 때 제재에 대해 논의할 때가 왔다고 생각한다.폴 B (토크) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 18:46[응답]

나는 솔직히 그가 돌아오지 않는 한, 그의 토크 페이지에 있는 그의 사인 오프에 대해 크게 신경 쓰지 않는다.이 지독할 정도로 머리가 잘못된 FT/N 실타래는, 다른 사람이 없다면, 그를 상대로 조치를 요구하도록 나를 몰아붙일 참이었다. (TL;DR 군중들을 위한 시놉시스: 그는, 문제의 바로 그 주장이 사기적인 "연구"에 근거한다는 것이 밝혀졌을 때, 대학 총장직에서 해고된 처칠의 주장을 포함시킬 것을 요구하고 있다.그리고 실제로 요즘 그 곳에 올라오는 모든 것들이 우리의 편견에 대한 성가신 주장들을 끌어들였다.망고 (토크) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 18:59 [응답]
문제는 틸(그리고 그의 이전 화신 사용자:코덱스 시나티쿠스)는 이미 몇 번이나 돌아오지 않겠다고 다짐하며 뛰쳐나왔다.그는 언제나 간신히 돌아온다.출발은 종종 그가 자신을 궁지에 몰아넣는 토론과 연결되곤 하지만, 그런 다음 실수를 저질렀다는 것을 인정할 수 없다.그의 해결책은 비난을 이리저리 던지고 나서 잠시 자리를 뜨는 것이다.폴 B (토크) 2013년 3월 20일 19:08 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 WP에 대한 명백한 위반이다.폴릭WP:NPA. 틸 오일렌스피겔과 몇 번 불쾌한 만남을 가졌지만, 이것은 충격적일 정도로 부적절하다. -MrX 19:03, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그의 진술에서 두 사람의 이름을 삭제했다.불매운동을 외치고 위키피디아의 취재를 비판하는 것은 괜찮다. 특정한 사람들을 인종차별주의자로 부르는 것은 괜찮지 않다.그가 전쟁을 편집해서 거기에 이름을 남기지 않는 한 나는 즉각적인 행정 조치가 필요하지 않다고 본다.주제 금지는 특정 주제 영역으로 진행 문제 또는 WP가 있는 경우 탐구될 수 있다.RFC/U, 나는 그의 기여를 자세히 살펴보지 않았다.마크 아르스텐 (토크) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 19:13[응답]
글쎄, 나는 다른 편집자 때문에 기분이 안 좋으니까, 그가 잠시 지하에 있기 때문에 단순히 해고되는 것이 아니라고 가정할 때 RFC/U를 시작하는 것이 꽤 행복할 거야.망고 (토크) 2013년 3월 20일 19:18 (UTC)[응답]
여기서 미국 원주민 기사에 대한 주제 금지가 말이 될까?마크 아르스텐 (대화) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 19:27 [응답]
나는 그것이 인종에 관한 모든 기사에 대한 금지여야 한다고 생각한다. 대체로 해석된다.그는 유대교 관련 기사에 많은 관심을 보여 좋지 않은 모습을 보였다.---Guy Macon (대화) 19:36, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
범위가 너무 작다.프린지 재료의 가능성이 있는 것은 무엇이든지 문제가 된다. 내가 기억하기 전 마지막 몇 라운드는 배트 크릭 비문, 임산부돌, 다양한 이올로 모간wg 관련 서적과 관련된 것이고, 나는 한국어 본문의 새로운 문제를 보게 된다.그리고 폴 B가 언급하는 이 다른 회계는 사실 여전히 어느 정도 활성화되어 있고, 그 회계에서 활동하고 있는 모든 영역들은 내가 그의 기여에 대해 의심스러워 할 만한 것들이라고 본다.우리가 의심스러운 장학금을 거부하는 문제에 봉착할 때마다, 그는 우리에게 "정통주의에 찬성하여 진실을 억압하려고 하는구나"라는 이 모든 공격을 하게 한다.가이의 경계는 어느 정도 이해하지만, 그의 가장자리 애호가들이 그 안에서 제약을 받고 있는지 완전히 확신할 수는 없다.망고 (대화) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 19:58 [응답]
주제 금지의 정당성에 대한 언급은 없지만, 위 사건 외에도 사이비학 기사에 이와 같은 게시물은 틸 오일렌스피겔이 더그 웰러와 오랫동안 관련된 문제를 가지고 있을 수 있음을 시사한다.인신공격에서 나타나는 것은 분명히 바람직하지 않다. - MrX 20:47, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 누군가는 WP에서 광범위하게 해석되는 지역사회의 금지나 프린지 이슈에 대한 주제 금지를 제안하기를 원한다.A가 아마도?모든 관리자들을 "인종차별주의적 편견이 금으로 만들어졌다고 생각하는 인종차별주의적인 행정가"라고 비난하는 것은 좀 그렇다.내가 정확히 기억한다면 나는 지금 변명의 여지가 없는 폴 베드슨과 틸이 같은 프린지 작업을 추진하는 것을 자주 보았다(각종 사건을 잘못 기억하고 있을 수도 있지만, 상호작용 툴이 현재 나에게 제대로 작동하지 않고 있다).IRWolfie- (대화) 21:03, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그가 ANI 알림을 삭제했는가? 배수로 21:24, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아니, 방금 하나 추가했어.내가 FTN[1]에서 인신공격 때문에 그를 불렀기 때문에 그는 아마도 인종차별주의자라고 불렀을 것이다.미국 인디언들에 대한 틸과 나와의 가장 큰 차이점은 그가 바이킹 이전에 많은 비원천적인 미국인들이 미국을 방문했다고 생각한다는 것이다. 아마도 원주민들에게 영향을 미쳤을 것이다. 하지만 나는 그렇지 않다.아이러니하지?Codex Sinaicutus에 대해서는, 그 계정은 이전 화신이 아니라, 틸의 초기 이야기일 뿐이며, 지금도 적극적으로 편집하고 있는 것으로 추측된다.나는 어떤 종류의 금지가 정돈되어 있다는 것에 동의한다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 20일 21:56 (UTC)[응답]
두 계정이 연관되어 있는지 어떻게 아십니까?IRWolfie- (대화) 21:59, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
틸은 그것을 비밀로 하지 않는다.그는 여러 번 자기라고 말했다.유감스럽게도 나는 그것들을 어떻게 찾아야 할지 모르겠다.하나는 편집 요약에 있었다.틸/코덱스는 에티오피아 콥트 기독교에 특별한 관심을 가진 성서적 문자론자다.그는 고대 히브리인들이 세계를 식민지화하는 것과 관련된 어떤 종류의 이야기를 믿는 것처럼 보인다.비록 그는 이 사람들이 '비백인' 혹은 '흑인'이라고 믿는 것처럼 보이지만, 이 견해의 반대자들은 종종 매우 불분명한 이유로 일상적으로 '인종주의자'라고 불린다.이러한 믿음은 고대사와 인간의 이주에 관한 기사들에서 그의 활동 범위도 넓다는 것을 의미한다.폴 B (토크) 22:14, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
이게 당신이 찾고 있는 디프인 것 같은데, 그렇지?스탈루트111 23:07, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
건배, IRWolfie- (대화) 23:09, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
이러한 계정 중 하나가 양말처럼 적합하여 차단이 필요한가? 아니면 WP:SOCK#LEGIT 사건? - 2013년One ping only 3월 21일 부시레인저 07:24 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그가 그 일에 기여한 것을 검토하면서 그것을 보았다.나의 인상은 원문이 나중의 계정에 유리하게 버려진 정상적인 편집계정이라는 것이었다.그러나 원래의 계정은 이후 인터위키 링크 추가 계정으로 사용하기 위해 "회수"되었다.한때 그는 그것을 인터위키 추가 봇을 운영하는데 사용하려고 했지만 봇 기능이 승인되지 않았기 때문에 중단되었다.나는 그것이 합법적인 대체 계정에서 꽤 선의의 시도였다고 생각한다.GH/BH나 투표용지 쌓기의 어떤 증거도 볼 수 없었지만, 그때 나는 그렇게 뚫어지게 보지는 않았다.스탈와트111 10:29, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 찾아봐 줘서 고마워. - 부시 레인저 18:54, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • Talk에서 이 사용자와 단 한 번만 교차 경로:이슬람 공포증제안된 이름 변경의 짧은 끝에 나온 후, 이 사용자는 약간 짜증을 냈다.만약 이 남자가 퇴장하고 무대가 떠난다면 큰 손실은 아닐 겁니다Tarc (대화) 22:35, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 공식적으로, 나는 쿨다운 블록을 사용하는 것에 대해 지역사회에 강하게 반대한다.이러한 상황은 백과사전과 사용자를 보호하기 위해 언제 쿨다운 블록을 사용해야 하는지를 보여주는 완벽한 예다.말도 안 되는 말도 안 되는 메시지는 통째로 제거했어야 했고 사용자는 일주일 동안 대화 페이지 접속을 차단했어야 했다.이것은 사용자들에게 그의 성질에 대해 생각할 시간을 주었을 것이고 그것은 그들이 화가 난 동안 누군가를 무기한 차단하는 것에 대한 더 이상의 논의를 막았을 것이다. 다만 그들이 궁지에 몰릴 때 그들을 더욱 화나게 만들 뿐이다.아무도 내 의견에 동의할 거라고는 기대하지 않지만, 나는 그렇게 본다.비리다타스 (대화) 23시 40분, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 업데이트: 틸 오일렌스피겔이 사용자 페이지에서 폭발물을 제거했다.[2] 이 때 나는 우리가 이 보고서를 종결하는 것을 고려하고 그가 진정할 수 있도록 허락해 줄 것을 부탁하고 싶다.나는 그의 토크 페이지에서 이 성명을 삭제한 것이 선의와 향후 그의 행동을 개선하고자 하는 열망을 보여준다고 생각한다.비리다타스 (대화) 00:35, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 위 사항에 전적으로 동의한다.더 길고 긴 블록을 적용하지 않고 버티러 가는 것이 말이 되는 상황은 극히 드물고, 블록이 늘어나면 블록이 풀릴 가능성이 훨씬 적다. --Guy Macon (토크) 00:51, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
여기 있는 가이의 말에 동의하지만, 비리다타스만큼 낙관적이지는 않다.내 경험은 그가 내가 그에게 준 경고를 무시했다는 것이다=확실히, 그는 나를 좋아하지 않지만, 그렇다고 그가 인신공격에 대한 경고를 무시한 것을 용서할 수는 없다.그는 다른 사람들이 그가 화내고 있는 것에 대해 그저 피하고 싶어하도록 만드는 공격적인 성난 편집자들 중 한 명이다.더그웰러 (대화) 05:39, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위키피디아가 치료가 아니라는 것은 알지만, 그가 개인적인 문제를 가지고 있어서 편집 능력을 방해하고 있는 것처럼 들린다.아마도 그는 그가 한 번 더 선을 넘으면, 어떤 무능력한 행정관 등에 의해 차단될 수 있다는 것을 나타내는 일종의 구조적인 최후통첩과 최종 경고가 필요할 것이다.비리다타스 (대화) 06:20, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
내가 지금 당장 보고 있는 한 가지 분명한 개인적인 문제는 그가 단지 그의 취미생활 문제들 몇 가지를 놓고 한 번에 갈등을 빚게 되었다는 것이다. 그래서 그는 동시에 많은 밀회를 받고 있다.FT/N 실의 경우, 그는 본질적으로 사람들이 볼 수 있는 악명 높은 운동가 출처의 사용을 주장했는데, 그 출처는 처음부터 끝까지 모든 것을 알고 있는 한 사람을 포함한 여러 가지 방향에서 잘못되었다.자기 자신을 편집에 끌어들일 수 있는 능력은 단순히 발을 구르는 것을 후회할 정도로 진정시키는 문제일 뿐 편집 방식을 바꾸지는 않을 것이다, 왜냐하면 (아래의 폴 베드슨처럼) 그는 자신의 관심 대상들을 바라보는 결함 있는 방식을 결코 버리지 않을 것이기 때문이다.그의 십자군원정은 그를 다시 데려올 것이고, 다양한 비주류 사냥꾼들은 결국 알아차릴 것이고, 우리는 이 싸움들 중 하나를 다시 겪게 될 것이다.망고 (토크) 2013년 3월 21일 11시 12분 (UTC)[응답]

보스턴 칼리지

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

보스턴 칼리지 학생 및 서비스에 대한 기사를 신속하게 작성하는 사용자를 위해 24시간 1시간 블록을 요청한다.자신에 대한 위키백과 기사를 작성하는 것이 수업 과제인 것 같다.지난 30분 동안 나는 보스턴 대학 학생들이 자신과 학생 서비스에 대해 만든 십여 개의 기사를 보았다.나는 각 토크 페이지에 그들의 강사와 연락을 취하기 위해 글을 올렸지만 여전히 계정들이 빠르게 기사를 만들고 있다.다음 사용자 및 삭제된 기여도를 참조하십시오.

고마워, Mkdwtalk 00:08, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

그것들을 차단하는 것은 현명하지 못한 일일 것이다. 대학과 학교 수업은 그들의 과제의 일부로 자주 위키백과 편집을 사용하며, 100번 중 99번, 담당 교수는 비록 때때로 학생들이 다소 어리둥절하지만, 그가 무엇을 하고 있는지 알고 있다.이를 처리하는 가장 좋은 방법은 교수에게 연락하여 예의 바르게 대하고 학생들 위에 머물러 있는지 확인하고 교수에게 위키백과로 안내하는 것이다.대사 또는 위키백과:학교대학 프로젝트에서 적절한 지원을 받을 수 있도록 하고 교수 및 학생에게 WP를 사용하도록 요청:AFC 프로세스 또는 사용자 샌드박스를 메인 스페이스에 들어가지 않도록 한다.그렇게 하는 한 아무도 막을 필요가 없다.WP에 따르면 아직 누구도 막을 필요가 없다.BITH. 지금까지 만들어진 표준 이하의 기사들 중 어느 것도 자유롭게 편집, 삭제 또는 지명을 하셔도 되지만, 우리는 이러한 새로운 사용자들을 차단하고 나가라고 할 것이 아니라 교육하기 위해 노력해야 한다. --Jayron32 00:14, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 네가 추천하기 전에 그들에게 연락하기 위해 모든 노력을 다해서 성공했어.나는 앰배서더와 위키프로젝트 프로그램이 대학 재학 중에 둘 다 참여해서 사용했다는 것을 알고 있다.아무도 그들에게 떠나라고 제안하지 않았고, 그 블록은 위키피디아에 혼란을 주는 논의를 계속하도록 하기 위한 예방책일 뿐이다.그들이 내 토크 페이지 문의에 응답할 수 있도록 30분만이라도 수업시간을 낭비하고 삭제될 기사를 편집하는 것, 그리고 패트롤러들의 시간을 낭비하는 것보다 더 나을 것이다.흔히 교수들은 자신이 무엇을 하고 있는지 알고 있지만, 그들의 교수일 수도 있는 모리스 잭슨24의 경우 파마 방법에 관한 글과 같은 몇 가지 "어떻게" 기사를 썼는데, 이는 다른 한 가지 현명한 방법을 시사하는 것 같다.Mkdwtalk 00:22, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

일부 기사:

몇 가지 예를 들면

Mkdw는 그것이 대학 교수의 과제라고 이론화했다.내 생각에 그것은 모두 하나의 반달일지도 모른다.만약 계속된다면, 나는 체크인을 요청할 것이다.레볼루션1221 (토크) 2013년 3월 21일 00:18 (UTC)[응답]

앤 버지스가 왜 "선구운동 전문가"로서 유명하다는 주장이 있었기 때문에 꼬리표를 붙였는지는 확실하지 않다.또한 몇 초 만에 이런 사실을 발견했다: "앤 월버트 버지스 박사는 외상 및 학대 피해자들의 평가와 치료에 있어 국제적으로 인정받는 선구자다."[3] 적어도 저것은 반달리즘으로 보이지는 않았다.위치 (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 00:51 (UTC)[응답]

활동이 잠잠해지니 이제 막다른 골목인 것 같다.마지막 20페이지 중 16페이지가 모두 보스턴 칼리지 학생들에 대한 기사였고 계속해서 재창작되고 있을 때는 더욱 긴박했다.Mkdwtalk 01:55, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

조심해줘서 고마워, Mkdw.이와 같은 상황은 어려울 수 있다 - 비록 창작자들이 단지 지시를 따랐을 뿐이고 해를 끼치지는 않았을지라도, 거의 모든 기사들은 분명히 부적절했고 동시에 여러 계정에 의미 있는 지침을 제공하는 것은 어려운 일이 될 수 있다.잘했어. --봉와리어 (대화) 02:21, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

는 또 다른 보스턴 칼리지 수업의 캠퍼스 대사다.보스턴 대학/미국 서부 역사(2013년 1분기)내가 도울 일이 있을까?가브리엘F (토크) 02:34, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

만약 당신이 이 수업을 운영하는 교수가 누구인지 알아내고 그들에게 직접 연락할 수 있다면, 그리고 그에게 도움이 필요한지 알아낼 수 있다면, 그것은 가장 멋진 일일 것이다. --Jayron32 04:55, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
http://www.bc.edu/schools/cas/english/faculty/full-adj-fac/George_O_Har.html사용자:에 표시된 것처럼 시작할 수 있는 위치로 표시됨:모리스 잭슨24의 사용자 페이지.Mkdwtalk 20:01, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

더윅 어소시에이츠를 둘러싼 계속되는 전투

배경

문제의 페이지는 더윅 어소시에이츠다.복수의 신뢰할 수 있는 소식통에 따르면 차베스 정부의 돈세탁 조직인 셈이다.나는 그것을 가볍게 말하지 않는다.이 페이지[4] 버전에 있는 출처를 확인하여, [5][6]에서 관련 출처의 신뢰성에 대한 논의를 확인하십시오.

이 페이지는 결국 차단된 양말 퍼펫[7]에 의해 적극적으로 편집되었다.

그 페이지는 두 번 삭제 후보로 지명되었고 두 번 모두 실패하였다.2차 공천 과정에서 양말뿌리개가 추가로 등장해 막혔다.

사실상 돈세탁 조직이라는 RS가 있는가, 아니면 OR인가? --FergusM1970Let's play Freckles 01:21, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

출처

FinancialReferee가 Derwick Associates의 변호사들에 의해 운영되고 있다는 것이 명백해진 후([10]의 하단을 참조), Philipe Beaudette가 내 토크 페이지[11]에서 Derwick Associates가 나를 고소하고 있다는 것을 이메일로 알려준 후, 나는 한 걸음 물러서서 그 내용을 RfC[12]로 가져오기로 결정했다.RfC의 결과는 페이지에 있는 출처가 적법하다는 것이었지만, 논평하는 사용자들 중 베네수엘라 미디어에 관한 많은 지식을 가지고 있는 사람은 하나도 없는 것 같았다.

나는 이 시점에서 더윅 어소시에이츠와 같은 독재정권의 지원을 받는 많은 (대부분은 아니더라도) 기업들이 자신들에게 반대하는 목소리를 내는 사람들을 침묵시키기 위해 법적 시스템을 사용할 것이라는 것을 언급할 가치가 있다고 생각한다.사실, 그들이 제기한 3억 달러의 명예훼손 소송[13]은 바로 이 목적을 위한 것이었다.

페이지의 출처에 대한 의문이 제기된 후, 신뢰할 수 있는 출처 알림판[14]에 글을 올렸다.유감스럽게도 아무런 회신도 받지 못했다.나는 이것이 영어 위키피디아에 있는 대부분의 사람들이 스페인어를 하지 않거나 베네수엘라 언론에 대해 잘 모르기 때문이라고 생각했다.

이를 해결하기 위해 나는 위키피디아 대상 베네수엘라의 모든 회원들에게 이 문제에 대해 어느 정도 조명할 수 있기를 바라는 마음으로 메시지를 보냈다.[15][16][17][18][19][20][21]

나는 단지 몇 가지 응답을 받았을 뿐인데, 그 중 가장 도움이 되는 것은 SandyGeorgia로부터 그녀가 나의 RSN 포스팅을 다시 올리고 여기에 답장을 보낸 것이었다[22].그런 다음 그녀는 페이지의 믿을 만한 출처가 없는 모든 자료를 삭제했다.[23][24][25][26][27][28]

관련된 출처에 대한 자세한 설명은 여기에서 찾을 수 있다.[29]

이 페이지는 다음과 같은 매우 신뢰할 수 있는 사용자들에 의해 검토되고 편집되었다.

그들 모두는 신뢰할 수 있는 소싱 문제를 해결했다.

그 진술은 기껏해야 무례한 것이다.SandyGeorgia가 실제로 한 말은 그들이 기사 원본을 가지고 실질적인 문제들을 고치기 시작할 시간조차 없기 때문에, 그들은 사실 당신이 보존하려고 하는 버전을 승인하는 것 같지 않다는 것이다. --FergusM1970Let's play Freckles 01:19, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

문제

앞에서 언급한 양말 퍼거스M1970이라는 이름의 다른 사용자가 약 1주일 후에 와서 양말 퍼거스M1970이라는 이름의 다른 사용자가 양말 퍼펫이 [33]을 제거하려고 시도하던 것과 동일한 자료를 모두 제거하여 논란의 모든 부분을 효과적으로 제거하였다.

나는 이 수정 사항을 앞서 언급한 RfC에서 합의된 버전으로 되돌렸다.그러자 퍼거스M1970은 다음과 같은 편집 요약을 가지고 나를 다시 되돌렸다: "알렉, 나는 이 기사를 정리하고 공격 부분을 제거하는 데 많은 시간을 할애했다.[34] 다시 되돌리기 전에 토론하십시오." [34] 이 자료가 토크 페이지에서 논의되었을 뿐만 아니라, 퍼거스M1970은 그가 여러 편집에서 언급한 블로거인 "알렉 보이드"로 나를 빼려고 시도하고 있다.[35] [36][37][38]

그가 편집한 내용은 모두 '이중적인 출처'나 '신뢰할 만한 출처'의 부족을 언급하고 있지만, 그는 관련 출처에 대한 논의를 한 번도 한 적이 없다.

문제성 편집

최근, 그리고 내가 이 문제를 AN/I에 제기하는 이유, 퍼거스M1970은 Derwick Associates가 지지하는 많은 기초들을 포함하여, 많은 양의 초긍정적인 정보를 추가한 모든 부정적인 정보를 삭제했다[39] 이 정보들 중 어느 것도 출처되지 않았고, 그는 심지어 "초청 필요"라고 꼬리표를 붙이기도 했다.(내가 알 수 있는 한) 이 정보가 존재하는 유일한 장소는 Derwick Associates 웹사이트[40]에 있는데, 이 웹사이트는 분명히 스스로 출판되어 페이지에는 사용되지 않는다.그는 또한 다음과 같은 문구를 덧붙였다.

더윅과 바리벤은 계약에 관한 어떤 정보도 공개하지 않았다.이 회사들은 비밀 유지 계약과 그 회사들 중 어느 회사도 정보를 공개하는 것을 금지하는 베네수엘라 법에 구속되어 있다.

다시 그는 출처를 포함하지 않았다.나는 그의 토크 페이지에서 그가 이 모든 정보를 어디서 발견했는지를 물었고 그는 내가 어떻게 "파라노이드"인지에 대해 완전히 불만족스러운 답변으로 응답했다.[41] 그의 답변에서 그의 말투는, 수많은 블록, 삭푸펫 조사, 그리고 그의 토크 페이지에 있는 "무능함"에 대한 경고에서 알 수 있듯이, 유별나게 예의바른 말투였다.[42]

퍼거스M1970을 거의 한 달 반 동안 왔다 갔다 한 후, 나는 이 문제를 AN/I로 가져오는 것이 나의 유일한 선택이라고 결정했다.Justiciero1811 (대화) 00:47, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

당신의 "뒤로 왔다갔다"는 당신의 페이지의 원래 (대규모 POV) 버전을 두 번 복원한 후, 내가 더윅 어소시에이츠에서 어떤 위치를 맡고 있는지 나에게 물어보는 것으로 구성되었다.정확히 깊은 논의는 아니었지? --FergusM1970Let's play Freckles 00:57, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
두 분에게 조언을 좀 해드리자면,우선, 퍼거스M1970에게는...행정관으로서나 편집자로서, 나는 이해충돌(공개되거나 공개되지 않음)을 하는 편집자들과 많은 거래를 해왔다.나는 수년 동안 많은 수의 분노의 대상이었다.나는 한 때 말 그대로 조정 사건에서 말 그대로 몇 달을 허비했는데, 그 사건에서 결국 관련자 중 한 명이 우리가 조정하려고 했던 기사 제목 본부에서 소속되고, 옹호하고, 실제로 글을 올린 사람이다.한 가지 배운 것은 위키백과에서는 편집증이 충분하지 않다는 것이다. :(
저스티시에로1811을 위해...나는 (앞서 말했듯이) 양말퍼펫과 이해관계가 충돌한 경험이 많다.퍼거스M1970의 이전 기고문과 분명한 관심사를 훑어보면, 나는 그들이 더윅 어소시에이츠(Derwick Associates)에 소속되어 있다고 믿거나 이전에 그 기사에 관계된 다른 사람의 속편이라고 믿는 데 많은 어려움을 겪는다.나는 이것이 단순히 당신과 의견이 맞지 않는 편집자일 가능성이 훨씬 더 높다고 생각한다.나는 당신이 이 기사에 대해 계속 작업하고, 퍼거스M1970과 문제를 논의할 때, 당신의 상호작용을 그런 관점에서 접근하기를 제안한다. -- Atama頭 05:09, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
아타마, 빠른 답변 고마워.나는 우연히 문제의 기사를 우연히 발견했고 그 회사가 얼마나 사악한지 꽤 감명을 받았다.그러나 내가 조금 파고들기 시작했을 때, 어느 정도는 한 언론인의 사설을 바탕으로 한 기사라는 것이 밝혀졌는데, 그 기사는 온화하게 말하자면, 그의 보닛에 벌이 있는 것 같다.저스티시에로1811은 그런 형태로 유지하겠다는 의지가 꽤 굳어진 것 같지만, 정말 극악무도한 POV였다. --FergusM1970Let's play Freckles 11:28, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
불행히도 내가 그 내용을 하나하나 개략적으로 설명하려고 했던 시도는 완전히 무시되었다.게다가 토크를 완전히 투명하게 열기 위해 토크 페이지에 추가했던 부분은 퍼거스M1970에 의해 반복적으로 삭제된다.[43] 내용을 논하는 것은 선의의 추가였고, 그 아래에는 기록에서 그것을 타격하는 데 집착하는 이전의 양말(분명히 더윅 변호사[44][45])으로 논의가 있었다.우리는 그 이후로 넘어갔지만, 퍼거스M1970이 하고 있는 것처럼 누군가의 편집 내용을 완전히 삭제하고 그것을 기록에서 삭제하기 위해 그렇게 열심히 밀어붙이는 것은 잘못된 것 같아, FinancialRefree의 사용자 이름 작업을 계속하고 있다.나머지 부분에 대해서는, 철저하고 공개적인 토론을 할 수 있도록 내가 말하는 각각의 요점을 따로 추가하겠다.다른 사람들도 동참했으면 좋겠다.저스티시에로1811 (대화) 21:23, 2013년 3월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

AIV 백로그

주로 WP에서 목록을 정리하는 HBC AIV 헬퍼봇의 가동 중단이 발생한 것으로 보인다.사용자 또는 IP가 차단된 후 AIV.현재 이 기능은 어떤 이유로든 더 이상 사용할 수 없기 때문에, 이미 관리자에 의해 처리되었음에도 불구하고 그쪽에 입력물이 쌓여 있을 수 있다.나는 AIV 페이지와 봇 코드를 확인했고 내가 볼 수 있는 한 최근에 봇의 기능에 영향을 줄 만한 변화는 없었다.De728631 (대화) 14:36, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

지금으로선 이 일이 상당히 많이 처리되고 있다.헬퍼봇이 어떻게 돌아가는지는 잘 모르겠다. 지난 몇 주 동안 AIV에서 간헐적으로 사라졌지만 UAA에서 정상적으로 작동하는 것처럼 보인다. --봉와리어 (대화) 17:58, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답하라]
사실, 나는 그들이 UAA에서 사라진 것을 요전 날/주에도 봤다고 믿는다.이상해, 다른 작전에 의해 운영되니까WP:BOWN? — PublicAmpers&(main accounttalkblock) 22:45, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
좋은 생각이야 - 봇 사람들이 어울리는 곳이 있다는 걸 알았지만, 어디인지는 잘 모르겠어.거기에 메시지를 남기고 봇물 한 마리를 운영자에게 통보했다.--봉와리어(토크) 01:50, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

Ajativada - 사용자:174.1.118.185사용자:아오클레리

사용자:차단된 AocleryUser:174.1.118.185를 사용하여 Ajativada diff에서 다시 편집하고 있다. 174.1.118.185는 인신공격 diff diff 어느 차단된 후 네덜란드 위키백과에서 이전에 차단된 적이 있다.제발 막아라.조슈아 조나단 -얘기하자! 2013년 3월 21일 19:23 (UTC)[응답하라]

여기서 적절한 안내판은 공공 기물 파손과 삭푸펫 조사대한 관리자 개입일 것이다.TBrandley 19:25, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
됐다. 조슈아 조나단 -얘기하자! 2013년 3월 21일 19시 31분 (UTC)[응답하라]
IP 차단 3일.반환되는 경우 AIV에서 SPI에 대한 링크를 사용하여 보고하십시오.JohnCD (대화) 22:53, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
알았어, 고마워.조슈아 조나단 -얘기하자! 2013년 3월 22일 04:54 (UTC)[응답하라]

Ratemonth라는 사용자가 "제9차 미국 헌법 수정 조항"을 파기하고 있다.

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

우리는 헌법 제9조 수정헌법에 대한 고전적 자유주의 관점을 바탕으로 추가 항목을 작성했었다.

처음엔 진짜 이유 없이 우리 기사를 지웠다가 법대 교수들의 작품집을 '집베리아의 점심'이라고 비난하며 또 지웠다.

그리고 나서 그는 출처를 뒤져 우리 출처에 "콘텐츠가 존재하지 않았다"고 말했지만, 그것은 그가 분명히 자유주의자가 아니며, 그 출처를 어떻게 읽어야 할지 전혀 알지 못하거나, 근본적으로 동의하지 않기 때문이다(그의 편집 이유 중 하나는 "편향된 출처"이다).

물론 그 원천은 자유주의에 치우쳐 있다. 왜냐하면 우리는 자유주의 해석(BIAS)을 설명하고 있기 때문이다.

나는 이 범죄에 대처하기 위해 상급 위키피디아 장교의 주의를 요청한다. NextAmendment (대화 기여) 05:30, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]에 의해 추가된 이전서명되지 않은 의견

"상위 위키백과 장교"는 없다.최선의 방법은 WP의 지침을 따르는 것이다.분쟁. ···日本語? · · · Nihonjoe와 대화 · WP Japan 가입! 05:33, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

9번째 개정안의 글은 백과사전이 아니다.그 대부분은 어떤 출처에도 근거하지 않는다.몇몇은 믿을 수 없는 출처를 기반으로 한다.나는 한 문장을 구할 수 있었고, 기사의 적절한 부분에 넣을 수 있었다.요금월 (토크) 05:41, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

여하튼 이곳은 분쟁의 장소가 아니다.····日本語?··········································································
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

안내 요청

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

다음 기사에서 편집 전쟁이 있거나 있었다.Microsoft Office 365, 제품 활성화, Microsoft Office 2013Windows 8.각각의 경우(나보다) 다른 사용자(나보다)는 다음 중 하나 이상을 수행했다.

  • 대화 페이지에서 토론 없이 경합 편집
  • 페이지에서 토론을 무시하는 동안 경합 편집(이 경우 적어도 한 명의 사용자가 경합을 편집하지 않음)
  • 대화 페이지에서 토의 후 전쟁 편집하지만 합의에 도달하지 않음

하지만 어떤 이유에선지, 이 중 어떤 것 때문에 결국 차단된 사람은 나밖에 없다.(나는 분명히 이러한 관리자 남용을 고려하지만, 여기에 내가 제출한 보고서는 관리자들이 WP와 같은 정책을 무시하는 것이 명백하게 받아들여지기 때문에 기본적으로 커뮤니티에 의해 비웃음을 받았다.편집워(EDITWAR) : "여러 편집자가 전쟁을 편집하거나 3RRR을 위반하는 경우, 불공정하다고 인식될 경우 문제가 발생할 수 있으므로 모든 측면을 고려해야 한다.")

어쨌든 이러한 문제를 해결하기 위해 각 경우에 대해 다음 중 하나 이상을 시도해 보았다.

  • 단순히 합의 없이 편집한 내용을 되돌리는 것 - 결국 차단되었다.
  • 합의 없이 편집한 내용을 되돌리되 해당 사용자에게 대화 페이지로 유도하는 중 - 결국 차단됨
  • 다른 사용자 편집 워링 보고 - 내 보고서가 닫혔고(정책도 언급하지 않음) 차단 위협을 받았다.

그들의 현재 상태에 페이지를 두는 것은 단지 이것에 대한 합의가 없기 때문에 내가 기꺼이 고려할 수 있는 선택사항이 아니다. 그래서 지금 내 질문은 바로 이 관리자들이 나를 차단하는 것과 그것에 동의하는 다른 사람들이 정확히 내가 이 상황에서 무엇을 하기를 바라는가이다.(WP:DRN(그리고 아마도 다른 장소)은 내가 발견한 것처럼 일반적으로 특별히 유용하지 않으며, 적어도 한 명의 사용자가 협력을 거부할 때 훨씬 덜 유용하다.)도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 08:32, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

는 막대기를 떨어뜨리고시체에서 물러날 것으로 예상된다.합의에 대한 이해가 무엇이든 간에(그리고 솔직히 나는 당신이 생각하는 것만큼 그곳에 확고한 기반을 두고 있다고 생각하지 않는다), 당신은 디커션을 수행하는 동안 몇 시간마다 계속 실행 취소 버튼을 눌러서는 안 된다.대화 중에 무언가를 제기하는 것은 논쟁이 해결되는 과정이어야 하는데, 단지 체크리스트에 있는 무언가가 아닌 다른 것을 되돌릴 수 있도록 하는 것이 아니다.당신이 고려하지 않을 선택사항은 이것이 계속된다면 곧 코드화된 편집 제한이 될 것이다.크리스 커닝햄 (사용자:thumperward) (대화) 09:21, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
아직 깨닫지 못하셨으니, 내가 직접 설명해 줄게.나는 이곳에 와서 돌이킬 수 있다는 점에서 책임을 지고 있다.
반면 콘텐츠 문제는 전혀 다른 문제고, 이에 대한 당신의 대응은 전혀 도움이 되지 않는다.도그마티케틱(대화) 09:27, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 여전히 자신이 옳고 다른 모든 사람이 틀렸다고 주장하고 있으며, 학대하는 행정관들에 의해 잘못 차단되었고, 문제의 기사에 대한 당신의 길을 원한다고 주장하고 있다.모든 것을 멈춰야 해.전쟁을 직접 편집하지 않기로 한 당신의 결정은 단지 당신이 다시 차단되는 것을 막았을 뿐이다.Microsoft 및 DRM 이외의 주제에 대한 기사를 잠시 편집하십시오.네가 동의하지 않는 모든 사람들을 얕잡아 보지 마라.그리고, 진정하고, 여기서 협력적 편집이 어떻게 이루어져야 하는지에 대한 느낌을 좀 더 받은 후에, 목표 페이지에 미해결 상태로 남아 있는 특정한 문제들이 있다고 느낀다면, RfC를 시작하고 그것이 완성될 때까지 기사를 전혀 만지지 마십시오.그리고 만약 그것이 당신이 원하는 것을 얻는 결과를 가져오지 못한다면, 그것을 공동체의 의지로 받아들이시오.크리스 커닝햄 (사용자:thumperward) (대화) 09:37, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그렇다, 나는 내가 옳고 이 일에 관련된 다른 모든 사람들은 틀렸다고 주장하고 있다. 즉, 합의점을 찾지 않고 대신 단순히 전쟁을 편집하는 것이지, 내용적인 문제에 관한 것이 아니다.그건 위키백과 정책이고, 관리자로서, 당신은 나보다 이것을 더 잘 알아야 한다.
여기에 관리자 남용에 대한 언급에 대해 덧붙이고 싶지만, 당신이 WP처럼 근본적인 정책을 무시하는 것처럼 보인다는 점을 고려할 때:CON 나는 당신과 다른 정책을 논의하는 것이 의미가 있는지 의심스럽다.
마지막으로, 나는 당신이 나에게 당신 자신의 어떤 행동도 투영하지 않기를 바란다.도그매티크렉틱 (대화) 09:46, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신이 편집 전쟁에 휘말린 다른 편집자, 당신을 차단한 관리자, 당신의 차단되지 않은 요청을 거절한 관리자들을 포함한 다른 모든 사람들을 손가락질하는 것을 계속 보고 있다. 그리고 나는 당신이 곧 이 글을 쓴 것에 대해 나에게도 모종의 비난을 할 것이라고 예측한다.내가 보기에 당신은 당신의 행동에 대해 개인적인 책임을 지거나 공동체의 행동 기준을 따르기로 약속하는 것이다.
막대기를 떨어뜨린다고 해서 이번에는 원하는 답을 얻기를 바라는 것은 아니다.막대기를 떨어뜨리는 것은 너와 동의하지 않는 모든 사람들을 욕하는 것이 아니다.자유로운 단서: 만약 당신이 상호작용을 하는 모든 사람들과 문제가 있다면, 아마도 당신이 문제일 것이다.
여기 몇 가지 지침이 있다: 당신의 토크 페이지가 경고로 가득찬 행동들 중 어떤 것도 하지 않고 6개월을 보내라.다른 사람들은 모두 규칙을 따를 수 있는 것 같은데, 왜 안 되는 거야? --Guy Macon (대화) 09:56, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
내 행동에 대한 논의를 중단하고 콘텐츠 문제를 해결하기 위한 합의를 얻는 방법에 대한 논의를 시작할 수 있을까? - 이 사건은 실제로 어떤 것이어야 하는 것인가?Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 10:00[응답]
아니. 규칙을 따르기 시작하면 네 콘텐츠 문제에 대해 얘기할 수 있어. --Guy Macon (대화) 10:03, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이미 두 번이나 행동 문제로 인해 차단당했으므로, 이 시점에서 그것이 해결되었다고 느낀다.그렇더라도 이러한 블록이 공정하게 관리되었다면, 아마도 나는 내 행동에 대해 개인적인 책임을 질 수 있을 것이다. 그러나 여러 관리자가 정책을 직접 위반하는 경우 - 위의 WP의 인용문을 참조하라.EDITWAR - 그렇게 하는 것은 이와 관련된 다른 사용자들을 대담하게 만들 것이다.
여기서 꺼낸 이전 사례에 대한 지역사회의 반응을 볼 때 특별히 이 문제를 논의하고 싶지는 않았지만, 당신이 나를 향한 발언을 반복하는 것을 볼 때 나는 그것이 필요하다고 느꼈다.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 10시 19분 [응답]
첫째, AN/I는 콘텐츠 문제를 논의하기 위한 것이 아니다.둘째로, 여기에 글을 올림으로써, 당신의 행동은 매우 큰 곤경에 처하게 된다. 그리고, 만약 내가 매우 솔직하다면, 나는 내가 지금 또는 전에 보는 것이 마음에 들지 않는다. 그것은 싸움터 사고방식, 막대기를 떨어뜨리는 것을 거절하는 것, 그리고 결국 당신이 옳기 때문에 듣지 않는 심각한 경우로 정의된다.우리는 사람들을 차단하거나 금지하려는 것이 아니라 생산적이고 협력적인 기여자를 원한다.하지만 그것은 양방향이다. 만약 당신이 백과사전을 짓기 위해 여기 온다면 당신은 기꺼이 타협하고 정책을 따라야 한다.내가 제안하고 싶은 것은, 한 걸음 물러서서 심호흡을 하고, 문제가 된 기사들 - 모두 - 말하자면, 일주일 동안 - 편집하는 것을 그만두는 것이다.관심 있는 또 다른 서브젯을 찾아 잠시 작업을 하고, 그 후의 심정을 살펴 보십시오. 당신이 문제라고 생각했던 것과 의심했던 것 중 상당 부분이 결국 아주 작은 것임을 알게 될 것으로 추측됩니다. 부시 레인저One ping only 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC) 10시 45분, 2013년 3월 20분[응답]
다른 사용자들이 WP를 따르도록 하기 위해 노력하고 있다.CON. 정확히 당신이 제공한 링크(WP에 대한 링크를 제외하고)를 실행:물론 CON 자체는 (어떤 라벨이 잘못 표시되어 있는지 - "보정"과 같은 것이 아니다) - 그것과 관계가 있는가?도그마티케컬렉틱(대화) 11시 19분, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그것은 WP가 다음과 같은 사실과 모든 관련이 있다.CON은 생각대로 말하지 않는다. --Guy Macon (대화) 15:27, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답하라]
ANI는 행동에 관한 것이기 때문에 우리는 행동에 대한 논의를 멈출 수 없다.그것은 내용에 관한 것이 아니다.분쟁 해결 과정에는 게시판뿐만 아니라 제3의 의견과 커뮤니티 코멘트 요청이 포함된다.독단적이야, 만약 네가 지금 여기서 하는 행동이 갈등에 어떻게 접근하는지를 보여준다면, 난 네가 왜 어려움을 겪고 있는지 이해할 수 있어.당신은 그 프로젝트에 처음이군. 오랜 세월 동안 존경받는 편집자들이 당신에게 요령을 보여주기 위해 열심히 노력해왔지만, 당신은 듣지 않는다.뭔가를 기억하는 건 어때? 이건 개인 웹사이트야. 그리고 당신은 일련의 규칙에 동의했잖아.만약 당신이 그 규칙들을 듣지 않기로 선택하고, 당신의 개인적인 해석이 옳다고 주장한다면, 당신은 이 개인 웹사이트에 남아 있는 것이 허락되지 않을 것이다.아는 사람들과 다투는 것은 어두운 정장을 입고 오줌을 누는 것과 같다: 오직 당신만이 알아차리고, 그것은 곧 오히려 불편해진다.(✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:05, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신이 말하는 "규칙의 집합"은 WP의 인용구를 포함하지 않는가?위의 편집WAR?도그마티케틱(대화) 11:13, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 WP의 문장을 계속 인용하고 있다.EDITWAR, 그러나 당신은 문제의 관리자가 "모든 측면을 고려"하지 않았다는 어떤 증거도 제시하지 않으셨습니다.그들이 당신의 입장을 충분히 고려했을지도 모른다는 생각이 드셨나요? 그리고 그렇게 함으로써, 당신이 틀렸다고 결정하셨나요?나는 네 명의 숙련된 행정가들을 세고 있다 (5명, 나는 그들의 충고를 지지한다) 당신이 규칙을 해석하는 것이 지역사회의 해석과 일치하지 않을 가능성을 고려하고, 당신의 답변은 내가 보기에 당신이 옳다는 것을 반복적이고 뒷받침되지 않는 주장으로 요약하는 것 같다 - 그것은 합의에 도달하는 방법이 아니다.여기 뒤에 있는 사람들을 위해 한 번 더; 잠시 그 이슈를 버리고, 당신이 더 수준 있고 덜 박해 받는다고 느낄 때 돌아와, 그리고 적절한 경로를 통해 당신의 변화를 추구하고, 그리고 공동체가 당신의 변화를 실행하지 않기로 결정할 가능성에 대비하라.2013년 3월 20일(UTC) 11시 28분 윤슈이쯔[응답]
만약 그렇다면, 나는 관리자에게 왜 내 행동이 블록 가치가 있는 것으로 간주되는 반면 관련된 다른 사용자들의 행동은 그렇지 않은지에 대해 설명해 달라고 부탁할 것이다.이 문제에 대해 완전한 침묵보다는 간단한 설명이라도 하는 편이 나을 것이다.
사실, 이것을 아는 것이 내 행동을 조정하는 데 도움이 될 것 같다.도그마티케틱(대화) 11:34, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
이거 보고 있어.나에게 남은 인상은 당신이 원하는 버전을 얻기 위해 적어도 3명의 다른 사람들(Viper, Coin, GB팬)과 전쟁을 편집하고 있었다는 것이다.그것은 파괴적인 것으로 여겨진다.도움이 되셨어요?솔직히 말해서, 네가 위험할 정도로 WP에 가까워지고 있다고 생각해.부메랑, 이 논의의 연속.Ched : ?? 11:47, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
분명히 두 명의 편집자일 뿐인데, 코인 오퍼레이션은 나의 공식 대체 계정이었고, 나도 내 메인 계정에서 실수로 글을 올렸다.나는 내 자신을 혼란스럽게 하고 있었고 더 이상 사용되지 않을 것이기 때문에 계정을 버렸어.GBfan 11:56, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
이 사용자가 나를 보고한 바로 그 사용자("대체 계정" 사용)라는 점을 지적하고 싶다. 그리고 이 사용자가 이 기사를 편집하기 위해 두 개의 계정을 사용했다는 것이 밝혀져 차단 관리자가 상당히 혼란스러울 수 있다.도그매티컬렉틱(대화) 12시 5분, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
여러 명의 다른 사용자들은 토크 페이지의 기사에서 자료를 삭제하는 것에 대해 우려를 표했다.그러나 이러한 사용자들은 그러한 우려를 무시하기로 선택했다.이 문제를 해결하는 바람직한 방법은 무엇이었을까?
또한 이전 블록에 대해서도 비슷한 설명을 요청하고 싶은데, 그 경우 다른 사용자의 편집 경합 정도를 감안하면 더 곤혹스럽다.도그마티케틱(대화) 12:10, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
여기 가장 쉬운 설명이 있다: 만약 당신이 무언가를 넣기를 원하는 유일한 CURRENT 편집자라면, 그리고 2명 이상의 편집자가 "아니오"라고 말한다면, 그것은 당신의 편집이 동의할 수 없다는 것을 의미한다.만약 있다면 새로운 의견이 있을 때까지 그것을 다시 추가하지 마라.그것을 왜 포함하면 안 되는지 알려준다고 재첨부하고 주장하는 것은 당신이 선호하는 버전에 대한 편집이다.(✉→BWilkinskins) 2013년 3월 20일 12시 35분 (UTC)[응답]
이 경우, 문제의 정보는 내가 추가한 것이 아니라 - 나는 단순히 그것을 복구하고 있었다 - 그러므로, 만약 어떤 것이라도, 당신의 조언은 내가 아닌 다른 사용자들이 따라야 했다.도그매티크렉틱(대화) 12:39, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그렇다면 문제는 왜 완전히 제거된 자재를 완전히 소스가 되지 않았고 어떤 경우에는 시대에 뒤떨어져서 복원하고 있었느냐 하는 겁니다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 13:07, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그 문제를 해결하는 선호되는 방법은 대담하다. 다시 논의해라.당신은 왜 당신이 그 정보가 속한다고 느끼는지에 대해 논의한 적이 없다.당신은 5년 전에 그들이 그 정보가 속한다고 표현했던 몇몇 편집자들을 가리킬 뿐이다.단지 그것이 "충분하다"고만 말했을 뿐이다. 왜 당신은 그 정보가 속한다고 믿는가?GB 12:26, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
그 기사는 기본적으로 당신이 선호하는 버전에 있고 당신은 왜 당신이 그 기사에 리스트가 속한다고 생각하는지에 대해 여전히 토크 페이지에서 설명하지 않았다.5년 전의 편집자 몇 명을 가리키면 그 편집자는 그 편집자가 속한다고 생각했고, 그 중 한 명은 "결연하다"고 추론했다.GB 12:02, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

두 분에게 답변하기 위해: 위에서 언급한 바와 같이, "AN/I는 컨텐츠 문제를 논의하기 위한 것이 아니다."이런 종류의 질문은 단순히 편집 전쟁 보고서를 제출하는 것이 아니라 토크 페이지에서 논의되었어야 했다.

어쨌든, 나는 여전히 이전 블록에 대한 나의 질문에 대한 답변을 받지 못했고, 콘텐츠 분쟁을 해결하기 위해 내가 다음에 무엇을 해야 하는지에 대한 많은 지침을 받지 못했다.도그마티케틱(대화) 13:30, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]

상승 및 RFC, WP로 이동:DRN, 토크 페이지에 나열된 관련 위키백과 제목에 대한 세 번째 의견을 요청하십시오.콘텐츠 분쟁에 대한 일반적인 종류의 것.넌 정말 그만둬야 해.어서, 다른 할 일을 찾아봐그것에 대해 사람들에게 잔소리를 하는 것은 단지 당신이 방해하는 것에 대해 또 다른 것을 얻을 것이다.블랙매인 (대화) 13:43, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
도그매티크렉틱, 여러 편집자들로부터 많은 조언을 받았고 그 어조가 놀라울 정도로 일관되었구나!내 생각에 네가 받고 있는 충고는 네가 바라던 것이 아니어서 넌 그걸 인정하기를 꺼려하는 것 같아.나는 네가 이것을 계속 열어두면 어떤 모순된 충고를 받을 것이라고 한시도 생각하지 않는다.나는 네가 이 실을 닫아 달라고 강력히 요청하고 나서, 그것을 주의 깊게 읽어보고, 여러분이 받은 충고를 따르도록 노력할 것을 제안하고 싶다.만약 당신이 더 많은 지도가 필요하다면, AN/I를 제기하기 보다는, 나는 당신이 존중하는 매너와 스타일을 가진 편집자를 고르고 그들이 공식적이든 비공식적이든 당신을 조언해줄 의향이 있는지 물어보는 것을 추천한다.그들은 당신에게 동의하는 사람이 될 필요는 없다. 단지 당신이 함께 사업을 할 수 있다고 느끼는 사람일 뿐이다.김 덴트브라운 14:06, 2013년 3월 20일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 이것은 매우 사실이다: 관리자들이 WP와 같은 정책을 무시하는 것은 명백하게 허용된다.편집워(EDITWAR) : "여러 편집자가 전쟁이나 침해 3RRR을 편집하는 경우, 불공평한 인식이 이슈를 부채질할 수 있기 때문에, 관리자는 모든 측면을 고려해야 한다."
  • 만약 누군가가 옳고 그른 사람이 여기에 온다면, 다른 많은 사람들이 틀렸음에도 불구하고, 그녀는 그 진실이 사실이라고 주장했다는 이유로 비난을 받을 것이다.
  • 공감대는 지역사회가 자신들에게 그 반대로 들려주는 자기 과시적인 이야기와는 상관없이 인기 경연대회다.명확한 의견 일치가 있다고 여겨지는 몇 퍼센트의 문제들이 또한 초주류가 아니라고 생각되는가? !%?휴먼 공개 (대화)20:05, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
이런 종류의 논평이 바로 내가 이 사건의 종결을 요구하지 않기로 선택한 이유야.나는 위키백과 관리자들에게 전반적으로 불만이 끓어오르는 가마솥이 있다는 것을 알고 있고 따라서 이 경우 누군가가 그러한 언급을 할 것 같지는 않다고 생각했다.물론, 관리자들이 이것에 많은 주의를 기울일 것 같지는 않지만, 이러한 유형의 메시지를 전달하기 위한 모든 시도는 중요하다.
그러나 위에서 한 관리자의 암묵적인 주장과는 달리 WP:THTRUTH는 이 사건과 전혀 관련이 없다.사실, 이 사건은 이러한 문제들이 내 블록 때문에 그 시점까지 발전하는 것조차 허락되지 않는 데서 비롯된다.도그마티케틱(토크) 01:27, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
추가적으로, 그것은 적어도 하나의 경우에서 인기 경쟁은 아니다: 마이크로소프트 오피스 365에서, 한 편집자는 두 가지 의견의 일치를 다투고 있고, 한 가지 이유로, 관리자 남용 - 반보호와 차단 - 이 두 가지 경우 모두 각 정책의 직접 인용(!)을 위반한다. (WP:후자의 경우 EDITWAR).또한 후자의 두 편집자에 대한 보고서 모두 전자가 작성한 것이라는 점에 주목한다.도그마티케틱(토크) 02:53, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
ViperSnake 151은 관리자가 아니므로 어떻게 관리자 학대가 있을 수 있는지 이해가 안 된다.나는 또한 ViperSnake 151과 Bb23에게 당신이 언급하는 반절제를 배치한 두 사람에게 당신이 AN/I의 다른 편집자를 언급할 때 필요한 이 토론에 대해 통지했다 - 당신이 명시적으로 이름을 붙이지 않았지만, 의도는 분명하다.또한, 나는 내 충고를 반복한다: 죽은 말을 그만 때려라. - 부시 레인저One ping only 10:53, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]
분명히 오해하셨군요 - 사용자:마크 아스텐이 날 막았어공평하게 말하자면, 나는 적어도 내 의견으로는 이들 사용자들 중 어느 누구도 "토론의 대상"이 아니라는 점을 고려할 때, 이 토론에 대해 통지하는 것에 대해 반드시 동의하는 것은 아니지만, 이 토론도 이 사용자에게 알리기로 결정했다.도그마티케틱(대화) 12:43, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
원래 포스팅의 첫 번째 문장에 "나 자신보다 다른 사용자가 다음하나 이상을 수행했다"가 포함된 경우, 당신은 그들을 토론의 대상으로 삼으려 하고 있으며, 따라서 당신은 그러한 사용자에게 통지해야 한다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 13:25, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
지금 네가 어떻게 확신하는 것처럼 들리는지 흥미로워 보이는데, 너는 이 사건에 대해 언급하지 않고 이전에 글을 올렸잖아.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 13:28, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
네가 그들에게 알리지 않았는지 몰랐기 때문이야.나는 에이버리 공지를 한바퀴 돌지 않는 경향이 있는데, 페이지 상단에 있는 안내문이 꽤 명확하기 때문이다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC) 13:31 (응답)
  • 이 시간대가 계속되는 좋은 이유가 있을까?제목은 "지도를 위한 요청"이고 나는 약 12명의 관리자들, 수많은 편집자들이 모두 동일한 지침을 제공하지만, OP는 그것을 따르거나 심지어 받아들이기를 거부한다.WP는 어느 시점에 다음과 같이 하는가?CIR 킥 인? (✉→BWilkins←) 13:46, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

한 행정관이 이 사건과 관련하여 나를 협박했다는 것을 감안하여 - 이 사건도 마찬가지로 무기한으로, 또 다른 페이지에서도 - 나는 이제 이 사건을 종결해 줄 것을 요청한다.도그매티크렉틱 (대화) 13:56, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

"The 17"과 공손함

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

편집기 사용자:ED17은 나의 몇 가지 내용 편집에 불만족스러워 했다.필자의 견해로는, 백과사전의 개선에 관한 건설적인 논의를 위해 내용 토론이 함께 하기 전에, ed17은 나에 대한 미개한 논평과, 그리고 내가 인신공격이라고 여기는 것에 대한 논평을 가지고 나의 Talk 페이지에 대한 토론을 시작했다.이 클라우드에서는 기사 개선에 힘쓰기가 어렵다.

  • 여기 내 Talk 페이지에 있는 The 17의 코멘트가 있다: diff
  • 여기 그의 Talk 페이지에 있는 The Ed17에 대한 나의 요청이 있는데, 편집자 행동보다는 백과사전을 개선하는 것에 대해 토론할 수 있도록 그가 단지 미개한 의견을 철회하고 제거해 줄 것을 요청하는 것이다. diff
  • 여기 나의 Talk 페이지 diff에 있는 The 17의 답장이 있다.
  • 나의 Talk 페이지에 있는 The Ed17에 대한 나의 답장은 그가 미개한 인신공격을 중단할 때까지 관련 기사에 대한 내용 변경에 대해 논의하지 않을 것이며, 다시 미개한 인신공격을 제거/철회/정리해 줄 것을 요청한다. diff
  • 만약 그가 그렇게 한다면, 우리는 편집자에 대한 토론은 접어두고 현재의 위키백과 정책에 따라 기사 및 관련 기사 기준을 개선하는 것에 대해 토론하는 것으로 돌아갈 수 있을 것이다.

나는 백과사전을 개선하기 위해 노력하는 동료 편집자로서 나에 대한 ED17의 행동에 대한 관리자 검토를 요청한다.이 문제에 대해 시간을 내줘서 고마워!N2e (대화) 04:53, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이것이 ANI에 왔다는 것에 충격을 받았다. 왜냐하면 나는 나의 논평이 어떤 식으로든 미개했다고 생각하지 않기 때문이다.의 논평은 이 예에서 편집자의 행동에 대한 것인데, 나는 논쟁적이지 않은 정보의 대량 제거를 통해 수년에 걸쳐 시스템적으로 기사를 내장을 찌르는 그의 관행이 백과사전에 도움이 된다고 생각하지 않기 때문이다.이에 적용되는 정책은 WP이다.보존, 비록 내가 WT:V에 대해 시작한 토론에서 이 해석이 논쟁의 여지가 있다는 것을 지금은 알고 있지만.그 모든 것을 말하기는 했지만, 나는 N2e의 토크 페이지에 대한 나의 논평이 미개하다고 느끼지 않지만, 만약 여기의 외부 편집자들이 동의한다면, 나는 기꺼이 그들이 그랬다는 것을 받아들일 것이다.2013년[talk] [majestic titan] 3월 22일(UTC) Ed 05:04 [응답]
나는 에드의 논평이 무뚝뚝하지만 미개하지는 않다고 생각한다.N2e는 자신이 좋아하지 않는 의견을 자유롭게 자신의 토크 페이지에서 삭제하거나 자신의 토크 페이지에 게시하는 것을 중단할 것을 요청할 수 있다.Sometguy1221 (대화) 05:08, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 OP가 WP:V를 다시 읽을 필요가 있다고 생각한다. 특히 WP:인용할 때.대부분의 비 BLP 기사에서 참조되지 않은, 논쟁적이지 않은, 광고적이지 않은 콘텐츠는 전혀 문제가 없다.도움이 필요하면 참조를 찾거나 인용에 필요한 태그를 사용하십시오.블랭킹은 단지 그 기사를 독자들에게 덜 유용하게 만든다.Chrisco 1492 (대화) 05:22, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
"소스가 필요하지만 없는 자료는 제거될 수 있다"고 명시적으로 말하는 WP:V 정책을 말하는가?엘케브보(토크) 05:29, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그럴지도 모르지 그렇다고 그래야 하는 건 아냐WP 참조:보존하다.Ed[talk] [majestic titan] 05:34, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • WP는 말할 것도 없다.BRD; 다른 편집자들이 내용물이 있는 그대로 괜찮다고 느낀다면, 계속 삭제하는 것은 힘든 편집이다.물론 BLP나 비중립적이 아니라면.WP 참조:파란색Chrisco 1492 (대화) 05:37, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 에 제시된 이 차이점은 매우 골치 아픈 것이다.편집자는 인용된 내용을 책에 삭제했다.그 책들이 그걸 줄거리로 가지고 있다고 믿지 않는가?읽어봐간단해. 영화나 책 기사들이 줄거리 부분을 인용하지 않는 것처럼, 이 짧은 모호한 글들도 그것을 필요로 하지 말아야 해.크리스코 1492 (대화) 05:44, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 솔직히 여긴 볼 게 없어.에드는 시민적이고 정책적이었다.NativeForeigner 06:30, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:O9837tr7x마스터-슬레이브 도덕성

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

O9837tr7xs (토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 · 블록 로그)

관리자에게 이것 좀 봐달라고 부탁해도 될까?이 이용자는 이 글이 진지한 백과사전 기사보다 신나치주의자와 더 흡사할 정도로 독창적인 연구와 의심스러운 '유대인종' 음모론들로 가득 찬 기사를 채우겠다는 각오로 보인다.추가 예: "이것은 정신적으로 미성숙한 노예 인종이 두 개 있다는 것을 암시한다. 즉 무의식적인 몽고인종 "embryos"/"shep"은 완전한 의식을 가진 유대인 "성인"/"shepds" ..에 의해 마음을 지배하는 반미성애 아리아인 "어린이"/"shepdogs"에게 지루한 제조 작업을 한다."아리아 민족은 몽고로이드를 지휘하지만 유대인에게는 복종한다.지휘력과 복종 능력의 이 조합은 독일의 양견으로 상징된다.가축화는 서기 1945년에 끝났는데, 그 때 아리안 "귀여운 늑대들"의 마지막 무리가 양견으로 길들여졌다....."유대인종족은 갈고리코 독수리와 현명한 뱀으로 상징된다." 등

사용자는 자신의 토크 페이지에서 WP 위반에 대한 전체 경고를 받았다.ORWP:NPOV "OR를 피하는 것은 슬라브적 특성"이라고 선언하면서 그러한 경고를 무시하고 차단될 때까지 자료를 읽기 위해 전쟁을 계속 편집했다.그들은 이제 그 블록에서 돌아와 기사에 정확히 같은 자료를 추가했다.사용자와의 토론 시도가 헛된 것으로 판명되어 이것을 여기에 가져온다.발렌시아노 (토크) 08:03, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 편집 전쟁을 막기 위해 이 기사를 임시로 보호해 왔다.나는 O9837tr7xs의 편집 전쟁을 막지 않기로 선택했다. 왜냐하면 나는 그들에게 이 이야기의 그들의 편을 우리에게 줄 기회를 주고 싶기 때문이다.단, 이전에 이 편집자의 건설적인 대응이 부족했던 점을 감안하여 다른 관리자가 블록이 필요하다고 생각한다면, 그렇게 할 것. --Kinu c/ 08:33, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
그러나, 이 실에 대한 사용자들의 반응은 이 기사를 WP로 사용하는 것을 중단하라는 여러 편집자의 조언에 주의를 기울일 편집자라는 자신감을 불어넣지 못한다.코트랙.주말에 대부분 오프라인 상태가 될 것 같은데 다른 편집자들이 계속 봐주면 고맙겠다.발렌시아노 (대화) 08:43, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
그리고 "OR을 피하는 것은 슬라브적 특성"이라고 쓰여 있는 편집 요약본은 자신감을 불어넣을 뿐만 아니라 이 편집자가 과연 이곳에서 긍정적인 기여자가 될 수 있을지 의문을 갖게 한다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 10시 25분 (UTC)[응답]
기부 이력을 확인하면서 그 부분에 대해서도 의구심을 갖고 있다. --SerkOfVulcan (대화) 10:50, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
아, 나는 어떤 형태의 설명 (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:27, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[답답답]을 기대하고 있다.
이 실에 담긴 O9837tr7xs의 회신이 제거되지 않았으면 좋겠다.그것은 "미인처럼 미개한" 수준을 넘어서지 못했고 그것은 그들의 행동을 보여주는 데 도움이 될 것이다.내 개인적인 믿음은 편집자가 장난으로 이런 짓을 한다는 거야, 이건 너무 과장된 거야. 나는 그들이 진실하다는 걸 믿기가 어려워.어떤 종류의 합법적인 설명도, 심지어 하나의 시도도 기대하지 않을 것이다. -- 아타마 19 19:32, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
포의 행동 법칙?Writ Keeper (t + c) 19:39, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
기여도를 간단히 살펴보면 이 사용자가 WP인 것으로 보인다.기껏해야 NOTHERE. - 부시맨더 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
트롤이 트롤을 할 거야변명하고 무시하라. -나단 존슨 (대화) 17:13, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]
변명을 했다.Fut.Perf. 17:21, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

아티클 생성자가 제거한 병합 태그

3월 9일 사용자:Kauffner는 새로운 기사를 작성했다.같은 날 사용자:바벨스톤은 기사를 태그하여 합병을 제안했다.병합 논의가 진행 중이다.그러나 사용자:카우프너는 내가 그의 토크 페이지에 그를 참여시키려고 노력했음에도 불구하고, 지금 두 번이나 태그를 제거했다.이 모든 것은 관련 기사에 대한 움직임 토론에 이은 것으로, 나는 그가 관여하지 않은 기사가 몇 개나 필요했는지에 대한 토론을 시작하려고 했다.itsmejudith (talk) 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC) 14:09 [응답]

그의 사용 페이지를 확인해 보십시오.그것은 그가 위키피디아 사용자를 "이것" "위키 스토커" 그리고 "그것"이라고 부르기 위해 그것을 사용하고 있기 때문에 Polemic을 위반할 도 있다.그는 이 개인의 위키백과 계정을 보여주는 적어도 하나의 링크를 가지고 있다. 코시볼론 우리모두 코시 ... 2013년 3월 21일 16:36 (UTC)[응답]
인신공격 문단을 페이지에서 삭제했는데, 그건 안 나와.다른 문제에 대해서는 논평을 하지 않는다.캔터베리 테일톡 18:36, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
또한 그의 토크 페이지에 있는 이 실에 대해 그 주제에 대해 확실히 알려줄 수 있다.캔터베리 테일톡 18:41, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
병합 태그 제거 문제만 제기하는 겁니다.카우프너가 스토커로 여기는 사람은 사용자 페이지 댓글을 알고 있는 것 같아.내가 ANI에서 이걸 키우고 있다고 카우프너에게 말했는데, 카우프너는 내가 술래잡기를 방어하길 기대한다고 말했어.태그, 왜냐하면 내가 카우프너의 제거 작업을 되돌리긴 했지만(그의 복원을 되돌리지는 않았다) 현재 내가 볼 수 있는 또 다른 것이 있었기 때문이다.itsmejudith (talk) 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 병합 태그 제거 질문에 대답해 주면 고맙겠다.내가 알기로는, 누군가가 그 진로를 운영할 수 있도록 허용되어야 하는 병합 논의를 시작했을 때.선의로 가정할 경우 병합 태그를 제거하는 것은 잘못이며, 이를 수행하는 편집자는 그 위치를 설명해야 한다.이렇게 하려고 했지만 내 설명은 받아들여지지 않았다.추가 배경으로는 기사를 시작한 편집자가 DYK를 위해 내세웠기 때문에 그들이 병합 태그를 보고 실망할 것이라는 것을 이해할 수 있다.하지만 해결책은 그 태그를 제거하는 것이 아니겠지?itsmejudith (talk) 18:44, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]

사용자:SocialRanger - 위조 기사 작성에 참여한 신규 등록 사용자

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

이것은 나에게 새로운 문제라서 나는 이 사용자에 대한 적절한 관리 조치를 요청한다.소셜 레인저는 새로 등록된 사용자(2013년 3월 17일)로, 위키피디아의 첫 편집은 의도적으로 거짓 기사인 에산 말릭을 만드는 것이었다.분명히 새로운 페이지 순찰 편집자가 그 속임수를 발견했고, AfD는 현재 위키피디아에 계류 중이다.삭제/에산말릭에 대한 조항.사용자는 그 기사가 거짓임을 인정하고, 주로 거짓과 다른 파괴적인 행동에 관여하는 계정인 것처럼 보인다.논평과 행동은 위키피디아의 절차와 정책에 대한 지식을 보여주며, 나는 우리가 양말 인형을 다루는 것이 아닌가 의심스럽다.WP에 따라 의도적으로 중단되는 편집을 위해 즉시 차단 요청:교란. 솔직히 직감 이상의 증거가 있다면 양말 꼭두각시 수사도 개시할 것이다.고마워요.오물변호사1 (토크) 2013년 3월 22일 18:46 (UTC)[응답]

분명한 양말인데 누구 양말이야? - 존 갤트가 누구야? 2013년 3월 22일 18:54 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:도그마티체크렉틱 - 금지 시간?

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

Dogmaticeclectic(토크 · 기여)은 뉘우치지 않는 편집자 및 정책 원크로서, 행동이 두 번 차단되었다(그리고 마지막 블록 동안, WP:3RRWP와 반대되는 관련 정책으로 보고 편집 전쟁을 계속할 것을 약속했다).EW). 그가 이 최신 블록에서 나온 직후, 그는 자신의 토크 페이지에 경고 상자를 삽입하여, 아마도 제재를 받을 것으로 추측되는 편집 전쟁을 여기서 막으려는 사람은 누구든지 보고하도록 했다.는 WP를 인용하여 그것을 제거했다.포인트WP:IDHT, 오직 그가 그것을 제거하고 나는 그것의 제거를 지지하는 "인용이 있는" 정책을 인용할 것을 요구한다.다시 제거했다(King WP: POINT at again) 그리고 그는 다시 그것을 복원했다.

그의 막힘 없는 요청, 호전성, 방대한 선택적 읽기 능력(앞서 언급한 정책 원커리와 결합됨)에서의 그의 말을 감안할 때 나는 도그매티컬렉틱에 대한 무기한 금지를 제안하고 있다.제레미 v^_^v 20:34, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

이 상자는 WP에 의해 허용된다.사용자 페이지: " 위키백과 커뮤니티는 일반적으로 관대하며 정규 참가자들에게 이 지침을 적용하는 데 있어 상당히 넓은 관용도를 제공한다."도그매티컬렉틱 (대화)20:38, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
정책이나 가이드라인의 적용방식에 좌절하게 되면, 그 규칙이나 해석을 일관성 있게 적용함으로써, 그 규율이나 해석을 깎아내리려는 유혹이 있을 수 있다.[...] 그러한 전술은 파괴력이 강하여 차단이나 금지로 이어질 수 있다.당신은 편집 전쟁으로 두 번이나 제재를 받았고 관리자들에게 미친 듯이 호전적이었습니다.제레미 v^_^v 20:41, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
WP:Point는 사실상 모든 것에 대해 사용될 수 있다.그것에 근거한 어떠한 블록이나 금지도 완전히 터무니없다.(WP에서는 구체적인 언급이 없다는 점에도 주목한다.상자 안의 메시지와 유사한 내용만 허용되지 않는 사용자 페이지)도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 20:44, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 너의 비틀어진 웰탄샤우엉에서만 사실이다.실제로 POINT는 당신이 WP에 있는 것처럼 누군가가 규칙을 그것의 한계점으로 의도적으로 왜곡할 때에만 호출된다.사용자 페이지.그 말은 널 정책적으로 잘못 평가했다는 걸 확인시켜주는군제레미 v^_^v 20:49, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

그런데, 보고하는 사용자는 상자 안의 메시지가 실제로 무엇인지에 대해 상당히 잘못 알고 있다.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화)20:52, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 금지 반대 우리는 두 개의 편집 전쟁 블록에 근거하여 그 누구도 금지하지 않을 것이다. 그러나 만약 편집 전쟁이 계속된다면 그는 오랜 시간을 보내게 될 것이다.그 상자에 대해서는, 나는 사실 그렇게 큰 문제가 아니라고 생각한다.무시하고 더 두꺼운 피부를 가꾸는 게 좋을 것 같아.AniMate 20:54, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • (edit conflict)x 2No 그들의 모든 실패에 대해, 그와 같은 사용자 박스에 대한 Dogmatic clectic을 차단하는 것은 어리석은 짓이 아니다.그들이 그 상자를 갖도록 내버려 두어라. 그것은 해를 끼치지 않는다.누군가가 관리인을 비난한다고 해서 그들이 학대하는 것은 아니다.그들의 다른, 실제로 문제가 있는 행동이 계속되지 않는 한, 나는 취해야 할 어떠한 조치도 취하지 않을 것이며, 전면적인 금지는 너무 이르다고 본다.IMO. Writer Keeper (t + c) 20:54, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 나는 어떤 특정 관리자(실제로 WP를 위반할 수 있는 조치)를 비난하지도 않는다는 점에 유의하고 싶다.USER PAGES), 그러나 단지 잠재적인 미래 이슈를 다루는 관리자에게 지침을 제공하려고 할 뿐이다.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화)20:57, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 알았다; 나는 그런 점에서 무슨 뜻인지 말하지 않았다.말 바꾸다.Writ Keeper (t + c) 21:00, 2013년 3월 22일
  • 반대 그 상자는 약간 뾰족하지만 제거해야 할 수준으로 올라가지 않는다.이 시점까지 그들의 행동은 금지를 정당화할 만큼 충분히 심각하지 않다.GB 21:00, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 금지반대하다.여기 이력이 있어도 금지를 정당화하려면 사용자박스 이상의 무언가가 필요하다.마지막 토론이 종결된 지 하루도 안 되어 이 편집자를 다시 여기로 불러들이는 것은 나에게 역효과적인 것처럼 보인다. 나는 제스케에게 작은 송어 한 마리를 제안한다. (PS to Dogmatic - 나는 당신이 반대하기 위해 다른 사람들에게 그것을 맡기는 것을 제안한다. 당신의 기여가 효과적으로 검찰을 위해 사건을 만들고 있다!)김 덴트브라운 21:03, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트 - 나는 템플릿이나 여기에 명시적으로 언급된 드라마에 대해 신경을 쓰지 않을 수 없었다. 내가 걱정하는 것은 사용자가 동일한 범죄로 인해 다시 잠금 해제되기 하루 전에 차단 해제되었다는 것이다.그들은 또한 관리자들에게 심한 폭행을 가했고, 그들의 막힘 없는 요청에 경박한 주장을 해 왔다.마찬가지로, 편집 전쟁을 계속하려는 그들의 분명한 의도와 그들이 동의하지 않는 다른 사람들을 무시한 채, 따라야 할 특정 지침을 "체리 픽"하려는 것이다.루케노94(루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 22일 21시 3분 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 그러나 사실은 나의 두번째 블록 이후 나는 심지어 편집 전쟁으로 해석될 수 있는 어떤 것도 하지 않았다.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 21:05, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 댓글 - 이 사용자는 편집 전쟁으로 두 번 차단되었으며, 어느 때든 그가 틀렸다고 생각하지 않는다.그는 좌우를 가리지 않고 서로 다른 정책을 쏟아내며 자신을 차단하지 않으려고 애쓰는 한편 3RR을 치지 않고 전쟁을 계속 편집하겠다고 분명히 말했다.그는 이제 자신을 차단하는 모든 행정관에게 그들이 다른 사람을 차단하지 않으면 그들은 이곳에 보고될 것이라고 말한다.그것이 가장 훌륭한 WP:BATTLGRAND의 사고방식이다.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 21:06, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 보도하는 사용자처럼 내 말을 틀리게 하는군Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 21:07, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
      • "이 사용자에 대한 본 성명서의 위반은 거의 확실히 WP에서 보고될 것이다.ANI" - "불공정함이 문제를 일으킬 수 있기 때문에" 모든 측면을 고려하지 않는 관리자를 보고하는 위협이다. 그리고 여러분의 블록과 블록 해제 요청을 고려하면, 다른 누군가가 차단되지 않는 한, 여러분은 틀리지 않았고 블록을 받을 자격이 없다는 것을 의미한다.네가 틀렸어, 네가 틀렸어, 넌 여전히 틀렸어.내려놓고 넘어가거나, 아니면 구멍을 더 깊게 파거나.다른 사람들에게, 사용자가 여기서 보여주는 행동(모든 것에 대한 반복, 타인과 무관한 의견 "나는 아무것도 하지 않았어..." 등)은 매우 WP:B이다.아틀레그라운드이 . 그윅와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 22일 21:11 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 나는 도그마티체크렉틱에 동의해야 한다.박스에는 편집상자를 차단하는 관리자가 "누군가" 다른 사람을 차단하도록 "필요하다"고 되어 있지 않으며, 그렇지 않으면 그들은 이 자리에서 이를 보고할 것이라고 되어 있지 않다.그들은 만약 그들이 동등한 대우를 받지 못했다고 느낀다면 그들은 이곳에서 차단 관리인을 보고할 것이라고 말한다.GBfan 21:12, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 블록 로그 및 대화 페이지 기록(주로 차단 해제 요청 등)을 검토하십시오.이 사용자가 말하고자 하는 뜻은 관리자가 다른 사람을 차단하지 않으면 그가 보고할 것이라는 것이 분명하다.그는 그런 말을 하지 않았다. 왜냐하면 그는 그가 그것에 대해 보고를 받을 을 알았기 때문이다. 그러나 그는 단지 WP에 대한 정책을 둘러싼 위키리듬을 하고 있을 뿐이다.POINT와 모든 사람들이 그것에 빠져있는 것처럼 보인다. 그윅와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 22일 21시 15분(UTC)[응답하라]
        • 한 사용자가 다른 사용자가 "말하고 싶은 것"이라고 생각하는 것에 기초한 모든 블록 및/또는 금지사항은 적어도 WP에 근거한 어떤 사용자처럼 우스꽝스럽다.POINT (위의 내 추론에 따르면 후자는 그런 존재다).도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 21:25, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 참고: 여기서 여러 편집 충돌로 인해 이미 한 명 이상의 사용자의 의견이 제거되었으며, 이미 복원되었지만 쉽게 다시 발생할 수 있다.도그매티컬렉틱 (대화) 21:17, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 그 어리석은 메시지는 관리자가 차단 버튼을 누르는 것을 조금도 단념하지 않을 것이다.관리자들에 대한 보호라는 거짓 우산 아래 그의 기분이 나아진다면, 그에게 그것을 주도록 하라.그가 전쟁을 다시 편집한다면 나는 반드시 그것을 두 번 읽고 무시할 것이다.관리자는 누구나 여가 시간에 폭언이라는 꼬리표가 붙을 수 있으며, 이 사용자 박스는 더 이상 우리를 취약하게 만들지 않는다.--v/r - TP 21:23, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대하다. 내 생각에 자신의 토크 페이지에 올리는 것은 어리석은 짓이라고 생각하지만, 금지는커녕 그보다 덜한 제재도 정당화하지 못한다.--bbb23 (대화) 21:27, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 금지에 반대하다.마지막 블록 이후 편집전은 보이지 않고, 그 메시지 상자는 드라마에 관한 아무것도 아니다. -- Boing! (토크) 21:30, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 그 상자는 한 블록의 가치도 없다. 그리고 그의 소금 가치가 있는 관리자는 눈에 띄지 않을 만큼 충분히 두꺼운 가죽을 입어야 한다.만약 그들이 아무런 조치도 취하지 않는다면 추가적인 제재를 초래할 수도 있는 행동 문제들이 있지만, 나는 우리가 덜 강압적으로 대처하는 것을 더 선호한다.ItsZippy 21:33, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 프로포즈.이것이 WP는 아니지만:스노우 클로즈, 이건 절대 날아가지 않을 거야.OP에 의한 철회를 제안해도 될까, 아니면 더 많은 극본을 구하기 위해 무배당 독자에 의한 조기 폐간을 제안해도 될까?김 덴트브라운 21:48, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:Axlerun위키백과:장기_abuse/JarlaxleArtemis

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

액슬룬(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 차단 사용자 · 블록 로그) 사용자 · 블록 로그 사용자 등의 사용자 페이지에서 SockPuppet 태그를 제거하고 다른 기사 파괴에 나섰다.특수:기여/AxlerunCarolMooreDC190 00:58, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

여기 또 다른 것이 있다: Sandeeprao1(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 차단 · 블록 로그).티피검바 (대화) 02:37, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
사용자 둘 다 차단되었고, 손상이 복구되었다.티피검바 (대화) 02:50, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:KLBot2

이 봇은 wikidata 마이그레이션을 위한 새로운 승인이 필요한가 아니면 기존 승인이 그것을 포함하는가?베르피스 (토크)20:06, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

아마 보험은 안 되지만, IAR이라고 할 수 있을거야, 왜냐하면 밀접하게 연관되어 있고 아무것도 해치지 않기 때문에.나이튼드 (대화) 23시 15분, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

사용자에 의한 지속적인 아티클 파손:후타나리의 노트헬핑마터스

NotHelpingMatters는 다시 한번 후타나리 페이지를 파괴하고 세 개의 되돌리기 규칙을 어겼다.그래서 나는 그의 공공 기물 파손 행위를 되돌렸다.그에게 경고하거나 그로부터 페이지를 보호하십시오.고마워 86.164.67.30 (대화) 00:24, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이 사용자가 실제로 존재하는 것보다 문제의 페이지를 더 큰 수용성과 중요성에 치우치고, 그가 창조한 예술품을 자연에서 불필요하게 포르노적이고 형편없는 것으로 포함시키기 위해 끊임없이 다시 쓰려고 시도해온 사용자 니아봇의 공범자 또는 양쪽에 속한다고 강력하게 의심한다.나의 주된 관심사는 문제의 이미지가 영구히 제거되는 것이다.다른 변경이 이루어지지 않더라도, 문제의 이미지의 배제는 그 페이지에 대한 나의 변경을 끝내기에 충분할 것이다.NotHelpingMatters (대화) 01:13, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
NotHelpingMatters, Wikipedia에 대한 당신의 유일한 편집은 Futanari를 검열하는 것이었던 것 같다. (편집 토크 히스토리가 로그 보기 삭제 보호)왜 이러한가?율롱 (琉竜) 01:29, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 거짓이다.나는 또한 명확성을 위해 페이지의 본문을 다시 썼고, 기존의 문법적 오류를 제거했으며, 일반적으로 페이지를 사이트의 공정하고 학술적인 기준으로 끌어올리는데 힘썼다.불필요하게 불경스럽고, 페이지에 거의 또는 전혀 가치를 부여하지 않으며, 나이봇의 이전 사용자들의 항의에도 불구하고 이미지를 삭제해 왔다.이 이미지는 Niabot의 애완동물 프로젝트로서 위키백과 전체에 해롭다.NotHelpingMatters (대화) 01:47, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
그 기사의 편집자들은 그 산문에 대한 당신의 변화에 동의하지 않는 것 같다.게다가, 위키피디아는 검열되지 않았다.그림이 자연에서 포르노라고 해서 위키피디아가 포함하지 말라는 뜻은 아니다.율롱 (琉竜) 01:50, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
NotHelpingMatters의 기여 이력과 편집 톤을 살펴본 후, 나는 무기한 블록을 적용했다.선의라고 가정할 때, 편집자는 위키피디아의 정책과 목적에 대한 근본적인 오해를 가지고 있다. 또는 그들은 트롤링하거나 트롤링과 구별할 수 없는 방식으로 편집하고 있다.어느 쪽이든, 12RR에 "오늘은 할 일이 없다"와 같은 코멘트와 함께 가는 것은, "요즘 좋은 책이라도 읽으라?"와 같은 인신공격으로 변명의 여지가 없다.사용자는 사실 여기서 편집함으로써 문제를 돕지 않는다. 이미지가 적절할 수도 있고 그렇지 않을 수도 있지만, 그것이 "실제 업로드" 노트가 아닌 토론을 위한 것이다[48].또한 IP OP는 12RR로 가는 것 또한 WP:3RR 부메랑에 의해 타격을 받았다. - The BushrangerOne ping only 01:55, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
과거 나이아봇이 제공한 도면에 문제를 제기한 편집자도 있었던 것으로 보인다.혹시 무슨 양말풀이라도 하고 있는 게 아닐까?율롱 (琉竜) 01:57, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
70.112.2.185(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)는 NHM의 이전 편집본이다. - 부시 레인저 02:00One ping only, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 하지만 어떤 체크 사용자도 그 엉터리 상관관계에 대해 아무 말도 하지 않을 거야.율롱 (琉竜) 02:03, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
내게 달려드는 다른 사람은 귀청이 터질 것 같지도 않아한두 개일 수도 있지만, 내가 CU라면 수표를 발행하게 하기에는 충분하지 않을 것이다.비록 미래에 발생할 수 있는 양말 맞기를 조심하는 것이 좋은 생각일지라도.그리고 오타가 쌓여서 커피 마시러 간다... - 부시 레인저 02:05, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]

사용자:WP와 관련하여 여러 정책을 위반하는 Eldumpo:노블랭킹

Eldumpo(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그) 이 사용자는 처음에 랜드로크 국가 기사의 편집(처음에는 선의로 가정하고 편집 요약에서 적절하게 나의 행동을 정당화)했을 때(그는 적극적으로 내용을 삭제함)을 되돌렸을 때 내 관심을 끌었다.그리고 나서 그는 약 한 달 후에 돌아왔고 다시 한번 정확히 같은 내용을 삭제했다 - 다른 사용자가 몇 시간 후에 다시 그의 편집을 되돌렸다.그래서 나는 이것을 알아차리고 Special을 보기로 했다.기여/엘덤포...그리고 그가 편집의 대부분을 같은 행동을 하는 것을 발견했다.

이 사용자의 WP에서 가장 노골적인 예는 다음과 같다.파괴/WP:VANDAL 편집은 웨스트 컨트리 더비 기사로, 몇 번의 소규모 삭제 후 1만6,261바이트의 정보가 삭제된 -싱글 편집으로 진행되었다.기사는 시작되기 전 2만1963바이트였고, 끝날 무렵에는 1,302바이트로 줄였다...그리고 31개의 참조뿐만 아니라 참조된 콘텐츠를 제거하는 동안.

이것은 단지 1, 2, 3번의 편집에만 국한된 것이 아니다.오히려 다작이다.그는 또한 단번에 7,215바이트를 프리울리-베네치아 줄리아에서 4,741바이트를, 다빈 차베즈에서 4,465바이트를, 하비에서 4,893바이트를, 이란 프로리그 기사에서 4,893바이트를, 몇 가지 더 쉽게 식별할 수 있는 WP를 계속 열거할 수 있었다.중단 및 경계선 WP:VANDALISAL은 이 사용자로부터 편집된다.

나는 그저 지나가는 ip일 뿐이지만 위키피디아에 대한 이 사용자의 "공헌"이 건설적인 것인지 심각하게 의심스럽다.


나는 먼저 가서 그의 피해를 되돌리려고 노력하겠지만, 관리자들은 아마 나보다 그것을 할 준비가 더 잘 되어 있을 것이다. 그래서 나는 이것을 놓을 더 적절한 장소를 찾지 못했기 때문에, 행정관의 주의를 끌어야 한다고 생각했다.

diffs(편집 전 및 편집):[49] [50] [51] [52] [53]189.13.94.226 (대화 기여) 05:12, 2013년 3월 21일 이전에 서명되지 않은 논평 추가

  1. 당신은 당신의 코멘트에 서명하지 않았다.치사해
  2. 페이지 규칙과 큰 주황색 알림 블록에 따라 사용자에게 이 토론을 알리지 않은 경우.치사해
  3. 이 문제에 대해 사용자 측과 최근 논의된 바가 없다.
  4. 당신은 IP 사용자지만 위키백과 분쟁 해결을 위한 언어와 어법에 매우 친숙해 보인다.그래서 나는 당신이 로그아웃됨으로써 감시를 회피하고 있는지 의심한다.
  5. 네가 선물한 디프는 생후 2개월이 넘었어.이것이 어떻게 장기적이고 낮은 수준의 분쟁 해결이 아닌 "즉시 요청된 조치"인가?
이 사용자가 인라인 유지관리 템플릿을 사용할 수 있는 코칭 기회가 있을 수 있으며, 이는 삭제하기 전에 문제를 해결할 수 있는 기회를 제공하는 것이다.이쯤 되면 (내 마음속으로는) 당분간 해임되는 것과 아마 관련이 있을 거라고 생각할 정도로 당신의 요청에는 절차상의 결함이 충분히 있다.호서 (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 16:00 (UTC)[응답]
  • 1) 봇이 편리한 방법으로 나를 위해 그것을 할 것이라는 것을 내가 알면서 왜 내 코멘트에 서명하겠는가? 2, 3, 4) 위키백과는 완전한 벌목 관료주의인데, 어떤 사람들은 이것에 대해 특별히 항의를 한다. 나는 충분히 알고 있지만, 나는 그것을 덜 신경 쓸 수 없다(WP: 참조).IAR, WP:PRAC, WP:ENC, WP:BLOAT, 이것, 그리고 이것들, 나의 추리를 위한 여러 가지 다른 것들 중에서.) 나는 들어가서 읽고 싶은 것에 대해 읽고 싶고, 내가 생각하고 있는 유효한 최종적인 기여를 하고 싶다.bs 위키드라마의 끝없는 얽힘에 휘말리지 않고...이것은 또한 내가 계정에 등록한 적이 없는 이유 중 하나이며, 내일 위키백과에서 IP 사용자에 의한 편집을 비활성화해야 한다. 나는 단지 편집을 중지할 것이다.5) 이러한 편집(더비 편집이 가장 노골적인 것)은 더 나은 백과사전을 만드는 데 건설적이지 않다...나는 -누군가- 그것을 조사하기를 원했고, 이것이 내가 단지 그렇게 하는 것이 적절하다고 생각되는 수단이다.

나는 공공 기물 파손과 혼란에 대한 비난에 이의를 제기한다.예, 참조되지 않은 자료의 섹션을 삭제한 적이 있습니다, 종종 제대로 작성되지 않거나 논쟁 가능한/POV 또는 해당 섹션이 눈에 띄지 않을 수 있지만 많은 기사에 참조와 인용문을 추가했을 때.엘덤포 (대화) 2013년 3월 21일 16:04 (UTC)[응답]

  • 서둘러라, IP가 가이드라인에 익숙하다는 당신의 의견은 부적절하다.나 자신도 친IP는 아니지만, 그런 식의 투기는 아무에게도 도움이 되지 않고, 곧바로 자기 발등을 쏘아댄다.이 차이점들은 오래되었지만, 나는 그것들 중 몇몇은 좀 수상하다고 생각한다.West Country derby 편집은 나쁘고, WAY가 너무 많은 내용을 삭제하며, 상위 몇 단락은 현재, 말 그대로 하나의 매치업에만 관한 것이었지만, 그 모든 것에 대해 말하기 전에는.나는 그것이 개선되어야 한다는 것에 동의한다. 그리고 그것의 일부는 nuking이 필요했다.하지만 넌 너무 과식했잖아이란 프로리그의 편집은 좋지 않다. 왜냐하면 그 정보는 완벽하게 타당했기 때문이다.Joe Harvey 편집은 약간의 홍보적인 솜씨를 남기긴 하지만 대부분 좋다. 그리고 유효한 표를 제거했다(후자는 당신의 편집이 있는 주제인 것 같다).Darvin Chavez는 나쁘다 - 너는 테이블을 완전히 제거했다. 그것은 유효한 테이블이었다.Friuli-Venezia Giulia는 훌륭한 편집으로, 많은 비위생적인 솜털을 제거했다.기본적으로 엘덤포, 자네는 분명히 선의로 행동하고 있지만, 좀 더 신중할 필요가 있을 것 같군.당신은 테이블이 소스가 안된 것으로 포장해 놓았는데, 그 테이블의 출처를 찾는 것은 그다지 어렵지 않을 것이다. 약간의 노력으로 말이다.네가 편집한 것들 중 일부는 나쁘고, 다른 것들은 아주 좋다.루케노94(루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 21일 21시 16분 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 나는 기내에서 만들어진 포인트를 얻는 것을 목표로 할 것이다.웨스트 컨트리 더비와 관련해서는 축구 애호가들을 확인하는 인용구가 없었고, 나는 특정한 더비에 대한 구체적인 언급을 추가했다.삭제된 많은 참조인들은 단순히 팀들 간의 경기를 열거했다.얼마나 삭제됐는지에만 너무 많은 초점이 맞춰져서는 안 될 것 같고, 내용 때문이기도 하고, 위의 내용 중 일부는 매우 부실했다.엘덤포 (대화) 23:16, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 또한 WP에서의 합의는 다음과 같다.Footy는 외관상 테이블이 과잉 살상으로 간주된다는 것이다.엘덤포 (대화) 23시 20분, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 완전한 국제적 측면을 제외하고, 나는 당신의 의견에 동의하고 싶다: 붕괴된 테이블에서 6번의 완전한 국제출연은 그렇게 큰 문제가 되지 않는다.웨스트 컨트리 더비(West Country Derby)는 빠른 검색으로 다음과 같은 결과가 나올 것이다: [54][55][56][57][58] 루케노94 (여기서 루크에게 말해) 08:16, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 위에 언급된 모든 것들은 럭비에 대한 것이다; 나는 기사의 축구 부분만 바꾸었을 뿐이다.앱을 다시 사용하는 것은 그것을 갖지 않는 것에 대한 축구계의 합의다.나는 그것이 토론을 끝냈다고 말하는 것이 아니라 WP의 문제도 있다.특히 많은 선수들이 차베스보다 훨씬 더 많은 모자를 가지고 있기 때문에 NOTSATS는 특히 그렇다.엘덤포 (대화) 13:51, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 문제의 편집이 축구와 관련이 있을 때 럭비 레퍼런스를 선택한 이유는 확실하지 않지만, 어쨌든, 당신이 추가한 5개의 축구 레퍼런스 중 4개는 브리스톨 로버스 v 토르퀘이(Bristol Robers v Torquay)에 대한 것인데, 이것은 내가 인용한 바로 '더비(derby)'이다(여러 레퍼런스 중 한 개는 같은 출처이고, 다른 두 개는 같은 텍스트/보고서인 것 같다).그러나 다른 사이트에서는 불량이다.스윈든 대 요빌의 5번째 심판은 기술적으로 더비 용어를 사용하지 않고 내가 우연히 알게 된 출처는 아니지만.그러나, 나는 모든 출처가 상당히 약하고, 단지 덧없는 논평일 뿐이라고 생각한다.또한, 나는 내가 편집한 당시에 그 기사는 아마도 OR을 포함하고 있는 것으로 2.5년 동안 태그가 되어 있었다는 것을 지적하고 싶다.안부 전해요엘덤포 (대화) 2013년 3월 22일 21시 30분 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 그들에게 이 더비를 언급하는 믿을 만한 출처를 찾는 것이 얼마나 쉬운가를 보여주었는데, 검색을 찾는 실제적인 노력(두 가지 모호한 출처만 찾아냈을 뿐)으로 당신은 순수하게 누크화하지 않고 쉽게 기사를 재구성할 수 있었다. :) 루케노94 (여기서 루크에게 알린다) 09:12, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

양말 경보. 양말을 허용하도록 차단 또는 정책 변경

말썽꾸러기와 말썽꾸러기 랜디키티를 신고하는 건 전혀 즐겁지 않아이 사용자는 분명히 바보 같은 사람이다.이 양말은 4개월 전에 계정을 등록했고 즉시 트윙클을 사용했으며 숙련된 사용자의 모든 흔적이 있다.게다가, 이 사용자는 전혀 쓸모가 없다.사용자가 매우 적대적이다.사용자는 사실을 추가하고 기사를 다시 쓰는 것만큼 유용한 편집은 하지 않는다.요컨대, 그 편집자는 차단되어야 한다.

사용자가 분명히 양말과 같고, 양말처럼 행동하며, 아무 소용이 없기 때문에 어떤 종류의 양말 조사도 필요하지 않다.이 사람의 편집 이력을 무작위로 보아라.WP 편집은 미국의 헌법상 권리가 아니다.그것은 개인 웹사이트에서 부여된 특권이다.

나는 두 가지 공정한 결과 중 하나만 본다.랜디키티 2번 차단해Sockpuppet을 허용하도록 WP를 변경하십시오.양말이 WP를 건설적으로 추가하고 고정하기 위해 편집하는 한, 양말 조각은 허용된다.다시 다른 사람의 의견을 고려할 때 여러 편집자가 언급한 의견에 무게가 주어지지 않고 의견의 본질에 무게가 주어진다.즉, 100명의 사람들이 "교황은 이슬람교도"라고 말할 수 있고, 이것은 한 사람이 말한 것보다 더 큰 무게를 갖지 못할 것이다.오히려 논리, 진실, 인용만이 고려 대상이 될 것이다.

농담하는 게 아냐.전문 작가가 되려고 노력하고 좋은 작가가 무엇을 쓸 것인가를 고려하는 것은 더 많은 사람들이 지지나 반대를 쓰는 것이 아니라 편집의 기준이 되어야 한다.표를 세는 것만으로도 유치하고 어리석음을 보여준다.만약 우리가 이렇게 한다면, 양말 퍼피에 대한 규칙을 가질 필요가 없을 것이다.

나는 촉구한다.

한 개 또는 두 개 해야 한다.2는 너무 혁명이 될 것 같으니까 랜디키티를 영구적으로 차단하거나 적어도 사용자가 그의 다른 사용자 이름을 알려주길 바란다.그는 분명히 양말이다.무고한 사람은 "다른 사용자 이름은 없다"고 간단명료하게 말할 것이다.밤러2 (대화) 03:54, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

그는 파괴적이지만 역사상 가장 파괴적인 인물은 아니라고 주장할 수 있다.좋아, 만약 네가 그를 허락한다면, 너는 양말이 허용된다는 말을 들어야 해.감사합니다.내가 스토킹 당한다고 결정하면 밤러3를 막지 말아줘. Bamler2 (대화 기여) 04:40, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]에 의해 추가된 사전 서명되지 않은 논평
따라서, 만약 여러분이 속바리 정책을 읽는다면, 여러분은 두 개 이상의 계정을 갖는 것이 분명히 금지되어 있지 않다는 것을 알게 될 것이다.SOCK#Initial_uses_of_대체_accounts).따라서 랜디키티가 그러한 규칙들 중 하나를 위반하고 있다는 것을 증명할 계획이 아니라면(WP: WP:SPI), 그는 양말질 때문에 막지 않을 것이다.만약 랜디키티가 다른 방법으로 파괴적인 행동을 한다면, 당신은 그것을 뒷받침할 다른 것들을 제공할 수 있다.Sometguy1221 (대화) 04:03, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • Bamler2, 내가 누구를 위해 싸워야 하지?내가 누구 양말인지 알고 싶어 죽겠어!그리고 내가 WP에 너무 많은 시간을 할애하고 있다는 것을 감안할 때, 만약 당신이 나의 파괴적인 행동을 보여주고 나를 차단할 수 있다면 나쁜 일은 아닐 것이다.날씨가 좋아지기 시작하고 정원에 관심이 좀 필요해...그러나 어떤 증거도 제시할 수 없는 경우(혹은 의심을 불러일으킬 만한 일부 편집사항도 보여주지 못할 경우) WP를 읽어 보십시오.AGF, 날 내버려 둬고마워. --랜디키티 (대화) 09:05, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
조직위원회의 논평에서 예상된 위반행위에 대한 연결고리를 제공하는 것은 아무것도 보이지 않는다.Bamler가 Randy가 투표와 편집을 위해 동일한 계정을 사용하고 있다고 90% 확신할 경우(WP 위반:SOCK, 그들은 WP를 제출해야 한다.SPI 보고서는 그가 왜 그렇게 확신하는지 분명히 기술하고 있다.SPI는 낚시 여행이 아니며 슬프게도 ANI도 아니다.그러나 그가 단지 누군가의 !보트에 동의하지 않는다면, 글쎄, 그것은 이 이사회를 위한 것이 아니다 ( (→BWilkins←✎) 09:13, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이미 내 토크 페이지에서 뱀러2를 SPI로 지시했지만, 그들은 대신 이곳에 오기로 결정했다. --랜디키티 (대화) 09:35, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • WP:BOOMERang은 사소한 증거도 없이 경박한 비난을 제기하는 것에 대해 아마도?그리고 오늘 네 계좌가 생후 2개월인데 왜 4개월 된 계좌에 대해 불평하는 거야?나는 또 다른 사용자를 겨냥한 스토킹에 대한 경박한 비난도 본다. [64].자, 이제 당신의 공헌을 보자, 밤러2(밤러/밤러1이 있는가?너니? :[65][66] - 타당한 근거도 없이 잘못된 이미지 제거 - 도대체 오바마가 어떻게 외국과 관련이 있는 것일까?또, 도대체 여기서 무슨 일이 벌어지고 있는 것일까, [67][68][69]?위키-게스타포 "말 빼는 소리..당신들은 모두 강력하고, 삶을 지옥으로 만들 수 있고, 심지어 자살로 몰아넣을 수도 있다.나는 AC사가 원하는 것은 무엇이든 지지한다.AC는 완벽하다.미안, 미안"?Bamler2가 Wiki를 향상시키기 위해 여기 있는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 나는 그들이 트롤을 하기 위해 여기 있다고 생각한다. 확실히 블록이 필요하다.루케노94(루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말함) 09:55, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 위키백과보다 위키백과가 어떻게 더 잘 작동해야 하는지 알고 있다"는 논평의 어조 또한 다소 문제가 있다.-부시 레인저 그리고, 2013년월 22일(CoordinatedUniversalTime)[답글]
  • [70] 이 경박한 비난과 관련하여 내가 발견한 또 다른 것이다.나는 Bamler2가 WP에 의해 외설되어야 한다고 생각한다.순수한 트롤로서의 NOTHERE(사용자들에 대한 그들의 행동과 그들의 회피적인 편집 모두)루케노94(루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 22일 20시 58분 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 또한, 인종차별에 대한 비난: [71] - 부시레인저 01:41One ping only, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 밤러2가 앨버트 왕자와 오바마 대통령의 사진을 세 번째로 삭제했다.'그의 통치에서 과도한 무게와 사소한 부분을 제거했다'고 말했다.루케노의 말에 동의해야 해WP의 사례:NOTHER HERE...윌리엄 10시 32분, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]

랜디키티는 분명히 무례하고 빈정거린다.그는 양말이라는 것을 부정하지 않는다.그는 양말이다.Duck, I don't much — Bamler2 (대화 기여) 04:49, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]에 의해 추가된 서명되지 않은 이전의 논평

Bamler2, 내가 부인하지 않는 많은 것들이 있다: 나는 오바마 대통령이 된 것을 부인하지 않는다. 그리고 예를 들어 나는 2차 세계대전에 책임이 있다는 것을 부인하지 않는다.그래, 내가 빈정대는데, 그게 이상하다고 생각해?갑자기 내 토크 페이지에 와서 내 대체 계정을 모두 나열하라고 빈칸으로 물어봐.내가 네가 나를 비난하고 있는 것이냐고 물었을 때, 너는 구체적으로 어떤 잘못도 주장하지 않았다고 말했다(분명히 완전히 진실된 대답은 아니다).내가 그 질문을 할 이유가 없다면, 내가 대답할 이유가 없다고 했을 때, 너는 그저 내가 양말이라고 가정했을 뿐이다.내가 만약 "노답"이 진실이라고 생각한다면 정말 진실이라고 생각하는가?아니면 대답이 없다는 것이 내가 양말이라는 증거가 된다는 말인가?여기 여러 사람이 지적했듯이, 당신은 조금도 증거를 제시하지 않았다.계좌를 개설한 직후 능숙했던 나에 대해 말하자면, 아마도 나는 어떤 트롤에 시달리다 WP를 떠날 때 계정을 갖고 있다가 4개월 전에 돌아왔을 때 비밀번호를 기억하지 못하고 버렸을지도 모른다.아니면 아마도 나는 IP로서 수년간 WP를 편집하여 마침내 명명된 계정을 만들기로 결심했을 것이다.또는 다른 많은 가능한 합법적인 것들 중 하나라도.Socking은 AfD에 투표용지를 쌓거나 블록을 우회하는 것과 같은 대체 계정을 남용하고 있다.지금까지 당신은 내가 이런 일을 했다는 어떤 징후도 제시하지 않았다(놀라울 것도 없고, 당신의 터무니없는 비난에 내가 대답할 유일한 때, 나는 결코 그런 활동을 한 적이 없다).이제 당신에 대해 얘기해보자: 당신은 말도 안 되는 근거 없는 비난으로 나에게 다가온다.당신은 이 보고서를 여기에 제출하고, 근거도 없이, 다시 한번, 내가 "무익한", "매우 적대적"이며, "유용한 편집은 없다"고 주장한다.자, 내 책에서 그것은 파괴적인 행동이다. --랜디키티 (대화) 09:31, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
너는 랜디가 누구의 양말인지 아직 증명하지 못했어.우리는 단지 증거 없이 비난을 퍼붓지 않을 뿐이다."특별한 주장에는 특별한 증거가 필요하다"는 말이 있잖아.WP로 가져가십시오.SPI는 당신의 주장을 뒷받침할 것이다.또한, 위에서 제기된 코멘트를 아직 다루지 않으셨습니다.자파오마티 05:07, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당신의 계속되는 경박한 주장과 여기에 제공된 다른 주장인 Bamler2에 따르면, 당신은 정말로 누군가가 당신의 "원인"을 지지할 것이라고 예상하십니까?랜디키티가 양말이라는 증거는 없어 - 부정의 부족은 아무 의미도 없어, 특히 양말이라는 증거가 부족해서, 랜디키티를 괴롭히고 있는 것 같아 - 그리고 잊지 말게, 당신 사건의 일부는 랜디키티의 계정이 4개월이나 되었다는 거야.그리고 너의 생후 2개월이 조금 넘었어.루케노94 (루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말함) 2013년 3월 23일 08:52 (UTC)[응답하라]

사용자:부마주

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

친애하는 AN/I에게.User에 대한 우려를 제기하기 위해 찾아뵙겠습니다.나 자신과 다른 사용자들을 공격해 왔고 일반적으로 다른 페이지에 걸쳐 미개한 부메이지.또한 소위 탄원서를 얻기 위해 선거운동을 하는 것 같다.나는 이 문제에 대한 관리자 개입을 보고 싶다.
예:
사용자 대화: 메테코울두드 -- 많은 미개하고 공격적인 논평들.
사용자 대화: Cobi - 위와 같이
사용자 대화:Crashi1989 - 위와 같이
사용자 대화: Yngvadottir - 위와 같이
사용자 대화: CleverBot Commons - 일반 사용자 대화
Anti-CleueBot NG Movement 및 관련 대화 페이지 - Attack 페이지
특수:기여도/부메이지 - "이미지를 업로드하고 로트를 할 수 있도록 돕고 싶지만, 여러분들은 아무 것도 가지고 있지 않답니다!!!"

대단히 고맙습니다

Rich(MTCD)T C E-Mail 14:17, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답하라]

부마지는 여기서 어떻게 돌아가는지 이해하기 위해 정말 애쓰고 있고, 무경험의 행정가로부터 강력한 말로 최종 경고를 받으면 그들이 이치에 맞는다는 것을 알 수 있을 것이다.한편, 그렇지 않을 수도 있다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 14:37, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래, 나는 이것이 단순히 일이 돌아가는 방식을 이해하지 못하는 사람처럼 보인다는 것에 동의한다. - 나에게 짧은 시간을 주고 내가 설명하려고 노력할 것이다. - 보잉! 제베디가 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC) 14:45, 14:45[응답]라고 말했다.
많은 감사 - 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC) 14:48, 25 (응답)
나는 한 마디 했다 - 만약 그 파괴적인 행동이 계속된다면 내 토크 페이지에 자유롭게 한 줄 적어줘도 좋다. - 보잉! (토크) 제베디가 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답]라고 말했다.
고마워 보잉, 완벽해 보인다.우연히도 'git(git)'라는 단어를 (mild?) 모욕으로 사용한다는 것은 편집자가 영국인일 수도 있음을 시사하므로 인신공격을 하는 영국인 편집자에게도 전통적인 관용을 베풀었으면 하는 바람이다. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:31, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 그는 확실히 동료 영국인이고, 그래 꽤 온화하다.그러나 그것은 말 그 자체보다 태도다 - 예를 들어, 내가 보기에 인신공격은 아닌 방식으로 "젠장"이라고 말하는 것은 전적으로 가능한데, 그것은 용납할 수 없는 말보다는 공격이다. - 보잉! 말했다.
그렇군. 양방향으로 보면 이 부분에 대해 많은 혼란이 있는 것 같아. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 15:53, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
정말 - 무슨 말인지 알겠어. - 보잉! 제베디가 18:41, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답하라]말했다.
오, 정말 재미있어 :-) 고마워, 보잉! 제베디가 말했다.나는 일찍이 그에게 부탁하지 않은 조언을 해주려고 노력했지만 그는 정말로 그가 추천인이 필요하다는 것을 깨닫지 못했다.나는 이제 네가 한 말을 다시 듣고, Bwilkins가 그의 토크 페이지를 시작한 환영 템플릿을 가리켰다; 나는 명확성을 위해 그 주위에 있는 상자를 닫았다.무슨 소용이 있든 간에, 그가 편집한 몇 가지 내용은 잘못된 긍정("그는 열심히 일하는 사람으로 알려져 있다" 등)이었지만, 그는 내 충고를 받아들여 간단히 보고하지 않았고 나는 충고의 한계를 알고 있다.적어도 삭제된 페이지는 그가 기꺼이 조사를 할 의사가 있음을 보여준다.나는 "git"에 대해 동의한다. 즉, 흥분할 만한 가치가 거의 없지만, 그는 여기서 약간 틀에 박혔다.Yngvadottir (대화) 16:25, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답하라]
너의 추가 코멘트에도 감사해 - 나는 CombeBot revert가 "Vandalism"이라는 꼬리표가 붙었다는 것을 깨닫지 못했어. (여러 가지 이유로 모든 반전이 적절하다고 생각했지만)나는 폭동 행위를 읽는 것이 통과되기를 바라고, 부마지를 생산적인 편집자로 만드는 데 도움이 되기를 바란다. -- Boing!가 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC) 17:36, 25 제베디말했다.
단서봇은 사실 선의로 행동하기 위해 "가능" 반달리즘이라고 말한다.봇 일자리는 매우 감사하지 않다 :.) --말러러오스터(토크) 18:52, 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
Boing!과 Demiurge 둘 다, 이 문제에 대한 당신의 도움에 감사한다 - 2012년 12월 25일 (UTC)[19:25]

여러분 안녕하십니까?

우선 언어 사용과 'git'라는 단어를 사용했던 어조에 대한 전적인 책임을 지고 진심으로 사과드린다.비록 내가 그에 의해 '슬픔'이라고 불렸듯이, '메테코울두드'는 그가 스스로 내세우는 성인은 아니라고 덧붙이겠지만, 마찬가지로 모욕적인 어조로 말했다.제발 내가 무례하다고 생각하지 마-정말, 나는 나의 향후 편집에 관한 너의 모든 충고를 받아들일 거야. 하지만 '메테콜듀드'는 정확히 어떤 사람이 '폴리트'라고 부를 만한 것이 아니라는 것을 명심해.

나의 두 번째 요점은 내가 지금 솔직히 너무 익숙한 봇인 CleverBot NG에 대한 나의 캠페인과 관련이 있다.나는 (그리고 많은 다른) 사람들이 믿는 것을 지지하면서, CleverBot NG에 대한 청원을 계속할 권리가 있다.나의 안티 클루봇 NG 신념을 위해서만 나를 차단하는 것은 내 인권을 심각하게 침해하는 것이며, 나는 이 캠페인을 추구할 것이다.게다가, 나는 객관적이고 사실적인 방법으로 CleverBot NG에 대한 나의 청원을 문서화했다는 내 권리를 충분히 가지고 있다고 생각한다. 나는 'The Anti-ClueBot NG Movement'라는 제목의 위키피디아의 페이지에서 내가 달성했다고 느끼고 있다. 이는 내가 위에서 매우 주의 깊게 사용자 Yngvadottir를 보고 있기 때문이다.이러한 점에 비추어, 나는 스피디 삭제에 대한 나의 콘테스트를 완전히 거절한 유저 존CD에게 아무런 설명도 없이 완전한 피드백을 요청해, 시스템 자체에 혼란스러움과 상당히 솔직히 억압감을 느끼게 했다.

Boomage (대화) 22:04, 2012년 12월 26일 (UTC)Boomage[응답]

이봐, 부마지, 몇 가지 점에 대한 오해가 있는 것 같아.첫째, 당신은 위키피디아의 어떠한 권리도 가지고 있지 않다; 그것은 개인 소유의 웹사이트다. 그리고 당신은 오직 소유주에게만 허용된 권리만을 가지고 있다.그러므로 인권이 침해되는 것과 같은 것에 대해 말하지 않는 것이 좋다; 그것은 아무런 무게를 갖지 않으며, 실제로 인권이 침해당했거나, 혹은 침해되고 있는 세계의 사람들에게 모욕적일 수 있다.
존CD는 당신의 페이지를 삭제한 것이 옳았다. 왜냐하면 그것은 비알음 주제에 관한 기사였기 때문이다.자세한 내용은 알림 페이지 및 기타 항목을 참조하십시오.하지만 간단히 말해서, 여러분의 "Anti-ClueBot" 개혁운동은 위키백과 기사를 쓰기 위해서는 다중적이고 독립적이며 신뢰할 수 있는 출처들에 대해 구체적으로 보고되어야 할 필요가 있었을 것이다.비록 당신이 당신의 기사에 출처를 인용하지만, 당신의 운동에 대한 어떠한 이야기도 하지 않고, 사실 당신의 운동이 시작되기 훨씬 전에 모두 출판되었다.그래서 그들은 호감도를 확립하는데 도움을 주지 않는다.당신은 이 이슈를 완전히 포기해야 한다. 왜냐하면 당신은 정확히 아무 것도 얻지 못할 것이기 때문이다. 하지만 만약 당신이 정말로 원한다면, 당신의 샌드박스와 같은 당신의 사용자 공간에서 당신의 불평에 대한 증거를 수집하는 페이지를 만드는 것이 허용될 것이다.일반 기사 공간에서 만들지 마라.2012년 12월 27일 (UTC) 01:22, Writ Keeper[응답]
굿오피스 부마주
CleverBot NG의 인터페이스를 검토하는 지나가는 관리자로부터 몇 마디의 코멘트.
첫째로, 나는 봇이 당신에게 경고했던 편집들을 검토했고, 그렇다, 몇 가지 경우 편집이 진짜였다.하지만, 만약 여러분이 느끼는 편집이 공공 기물 파손이 아니었다면, 여러분이 해야 할 일은 여기에 보고하기만 하면 됩니다, 그러면, ConverseBot NG의 검토자 중 한 명이 편집을 검토할 것입니다, 만약 그것이 봇에 의해 되돌아가지 말았어야 한다면, 우리는 그 편집에 대해 봇을 훈련시킬 것이고, 바라건대 다시는 그런 일이 일어나지 않을 겁니다.그러나 당신이 편집 내용을 보고하지 않으면 우리는 봇을 훈련시킬 수 없다.
둘째로, 당신은 이전에 CleborBot NG를 믿지 않기 때문에 차단된 것이 아니고, 당신의 편집이 반달리즘으로 간주되어 차단된 것이다.
마지막으로, 나는 Writ Keeper가 당신이 이 문제를 ClearBot과 함께 포기해야 한다고 말한 것을 반추한다. 왜냐하면 당신은 정말 그것을 가지고는 아무 것도 얻을 수 없을 것이기 때문이다.이 백과사전은 반반달 봇을 필요로 하고 반반달 봇은 항상 진행중인 프로젝트가 될 것이다. 왜냐하면 반달리즘은 매우 많은 방법으로 일어나고, 매우 많이 변화할 수 있기 때문이다.ConverseBot NG가 없다면 이런 편집이 항상 일어날 것이다.누가 이 편집을 되돌렸는지 추측해 보십시오.응, 알버트 스퀘어 5개 (토크) 18:40, 2012년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

안녕 알버트 스퀘어

우선 시간을 내어 답장해줘서 고마워.둘째로, 만약 당신이 내가 CleverBot NG에 대한 나의 캠페인으로 아무 성과를 거두지 못할 것이라고 생각한다면, 당신은 틀렸다. 왜냐하면 나는 많은 사람들로부터 매우 강력한 지지를 받고 있고 나는 계속해서 캠페인을 벌일 것이기 때문이다.네가 봇을 훈련시키는 게 아니라 없애줬으면 해.만약 편집을 막는 조정자가 있다면, 그것은 이 재난 '봇'보다 훨씬 더 효율적일 것이다.이러한 모든 합법적인 편집은 LemberBot NG에 의해 차단되고 있으며, 불만 사항들은 계속 증가할 것이다(아마도 내가 왜 LemborBot NG를 없애기 위한 캠페인에서 그렇게 강력한 지지를 받고 있는 것 같다).

마지막으로, 나는 네가 나에게 공손하게 말한 것에 대해 감사하고 싶어. 그리고 나는 알버트 스퀘어에게 진심으로 존경해. 왜냐하면 메테콜듀드는 나에게 매우 무례하고 전문가답지 않은 태도로 말했고, 그리고 쓰기 키퍼 역시 약간은 온전한 사람이었기 때문에, 네가 나를 환영해 주고, 나에게 말을 해 준 것에 대해 감사하고 싶어.다시한번 감사합니다.Boomage (토크) 02:10, 2012년 12월 28일 (UTC)Boomage — Boomage (토크기여) 23:45, 2012년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

단서봇은 우리가 가진 가장 좋고 가장 도움이 되는 봇들 중 하나이다: 나는 잘못된 긍정을 거의 보지 않는다.그것에 대항하는 "캠페인"은 할 수 있는 현명한 일이 아니며, 그것은 필연적으로 허사가 될 것이기 때문에, 당신의 시간을 완전히 낭비하는 것이다.생산적인 일을 하는 것이 좋다.(게다가, 너무 '캠페인'에 열을 올리면, 행정관이 이를 방해하고 차단할 가능성이 높다.)비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 03:51, 2012년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 덧붙이고 싶은 것은 만약 당신이 CleverBot의 중지를 요청하고 적절한 채널을 통해 간다면, 당신은 기꺼이 시도해 볼 수 있다는 것이다 - 누군가 마을 펌프를 제안했고, 그것은 좋은 장소일 것이다.당신은 위키백과 편집자들의 지지를 얻어야 할 것이다.그러나 오프위키(off-wiki) '패션'은 고려하지 않을 것이며, 외부 사이트에서 조사한 개인의 의견에는 거의 무게가 실리지 않을 것이다.성공하기 위해서는 기존의 경험 있는 위키백과 편집자들의 지원이 필요할 것이다 - 그리고 많은 사람들이 말하려 하고 있기 때문에, 당신은 그것을 얻지 못할 것이다. -- Boing! (토크) 05:18, 2012년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
다시 안녕 부마주
우리의 관리자/모더레이터들은 공공 기물 파손 행위를 차단하지만 우리는 24시간 온라인에 접속할 수 없다.
ConverseBot NG는 하루에 수천 번 편집을 하는데, 그 중 극히 적은 퍼센트가 잘못된 긍정이다.반달리즘을 삭제하는 것 외에도, 봇들은 백과사전이 제대로 작동하도록 하기 위해 많은 뒷일을 한다.
미안하지만, 당신이 CleverBot NG가 하는 일을 대신하는 관리자들에 대한 어떤 아이디어도 효과가 없을 것이다.편집자의 소모율은 훨씬 더 높을 것이다.당신은 심지어 위키피디아에 더 많은 반달리즘이 있다는 것과 더 많은 진정한 편집이 우연히 되돌아간다는 것을 발견할지도 모른다.
나는 당신이 BBC가 CombertBot NG와 그것이 무엇을 더 하는지를 이해하는 데 도움이 될 수 있기 때문에 이 기사를 당신이 CombertBot에서 읽기를 제안한다.--5 알버트 스퀘어 (토크) 12:21, 2012년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
부마주.
내가 너와의 교류에서 그렇게 "루드"와 "비프로페셔널"이라고 불렸던 곳과 내가 성인으로 판명된 곳을 말해줘. 그러면 내가 너에게 사과할지도 몰라. 18:03, 2012년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
당신이 실제로 무례하거나 프로답지 못한 행동을 하지 않았다고 가정할 수 있을 것 같고, 다음으로 넘어갈 수 있을 것 같다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 00:42, 2012년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
듣기로는, 이걸 닫는 건 아무도 신경 안 쓸 것 같다 :) - 15:37, 2012년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

2013년 3월 23일 철회 - 최근 토크 페이지에 올라온 글과 함께 이 토론이 아직 끝나지 않은 것 같다 - 00:54, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

그냥 놔둬.진짜. --OnoremDil 02:04, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그것을 그냥 놔두게 되어 매우 기쁘다.부마지는 아닌 것 같다 - 02:34, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
그냥 놔둬.진짜.이렇게 오랜 시간이 지난 후에, 넌 이 모든 헛소리를 다시 이사회에 가져온다.그는 무시해버려.그냥 놔둬.진짜. --OnoremDil 02:37, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
내 경험상, 어떤 것에 대해 말하는 것을 멈추는 가장 좋은 방법은 그것에 대해 말하는 것을 멈추는 것이다.그냥 하는 말이야. --Guy Macon (대화) 03:05, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:Z554

나는 방금 캐롤모어DC에서 온 EWN의 Z554보고서에 응답했다.편집 전쟁 때문에 Z554를 막았지만, 캐롤은 이것이 JarlaxleArtemis의 속편일지도 모른다고 제안했다.나는 이 분야에 경험이 많지 않고 모든 배경 정보를 가지고 있지 않다. 이 사건을 좀 더 잘 아는 사람이 좀 더 조사해 줄 수 있을까?고마워요.ItsZippy 15:03, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

미안, 요즘 내 머리가 너무 엉터리여서 어떻게 하면 제대로 된 WP:소크 인형 조사를 할 수 있는지, 아니면 사용자 페이지를 태그하거나 여기에 올 수 있는지 알아낼 수 없어.캐럴모어DC🗽 15:10, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
자신의 주장을 뒷받침하는 증거를 제시해줄 수 있나, 캐롤?--Bb23 (대화) 19:25, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그 추론은 위에서 언급된 계정 중 하나가 #사용자:Axlerun은 위키백과:롱텀_abuse/JarlaxleArtemis는 Z의 토크 페이지에 정보를 올렸다.세 가지 계정 사이에는 또 다른 공통점이 있지만, 아마도 SPI는 그들이 선의의 (당파적인) 계정처럼 보인다는 것을 보증할 수 있지만, 만약 있다면, JarlaxleArtemis의 양말일 가능성이 더 높다.그러나 나는 그라피즘의 전문가가 아니므로 일반 그라프 사냥꾼의 논평이 유용할 것이다.Rich Farmbrough, 19:40, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)
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(갈등 편집) 이것이 나에게서 나오는 원격으로 유용한 것인지, 그리고 통계적으로 그렇게 하찮은 샘플로, Z554가 Talk:Santorum" 신학(diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff)을 위한 캠페인(Talk:Campaign)을 편집한 것은 잘못되고 있지만, 그럼에도 불구하고, 거기 양말장 설명서에 기술된 행동에는 맞지 않는 것 같다.☯.젠스워시버클러. 2013년 3월 22일 19:42 (UTC)[응답]
내 예감은 "그라우프"는 아니지만, 확실히 말할 수 있는 체크업자가 필요할 것 같아.솔직히 말해 그게 여기서 쓸모가 있을지는 확실치 않아.마크 아르스텐 (대화)20:58, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
그라우프/자락슬레아테미스로부터 지난 한 달 정도(그리고 몇 달 전) 받은 온갖 학대를 고려할 때, 그 과정을 알아낼 힘이 있다고 해도 나 자신은 최고의 판사가 아니다.24시간도 채 안 돼 세 차례나 역전을 했고, 오히려 그의 토크 페이지에서는 위협적인 발언들이 코스의 수준과 같았기 때문에 나는 더 나쁘게 생각했다.나는 또 실수를 했지만 편집자는 그것에 대해 훨씬 더 친절했고, 이성적인 부인도 있었고 불평하는 행동을 계속하지 않았기 때문에 결국 여기서 끝나지는 않았다.캐럴모어DC🗽 21:03, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
  • ARBPIA에 최신 블록을 기록해야 하는가?편집된 내용 중 일부는 명백히 그 사례당 1RR의 위반이었다.이 편집자는 I/P영역에서 편집요건을 이해하는데 어려움을 겪고 있는 것 같고, 적절한 활동기록이 유용할 것이라고 생각한다.명목(대화) 18:52, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

Z554의 토크 페이지 댓글

  • 1. 캐롤무어드크는 일부 다른 사용자에게는 내가 양말 인형이라는 근거 없는 주장을 평준화시켜 보복 행동을 했다.이것은 공정의 오용이다.그녀는 이것에 대해 제재를 받아야 한다.
  • 2. Carolmoordec은 편집 전쟁의 상대방이기 때문에 그녀 역시 내 블록에 해당하는 시간 동안 편집을 막아야 한다.
  • 3. 나를 차단한 이츠지피 행정관은 아무런 예고도 없이 정당한 절차도 없이 그렇게 했다.이것은 반드시 조사되어야 한다.
  • 4. 실제로 목숨이 있으니 그냥 놔두고 블록이 만료되기를 기다리겠다.Z554 (대화) 19:18, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]
모든 관련자들에 대한 조치를 요구하는 Z554의 대응은 다소 성급하고 어떤 견인차 역할을 할 것 같지 않지만, 이것의 근본에 있는 실제 내용물 논쟁은 일방적인 사건이 아니며, 언뜻 보기에 양말 고소는 정확할 것 같지 않다.Z554가 돌아오면 아주 느리고 침착하게 일을 처리함으로써 (경험에 반하여) 논쟁 페이지에서 건설적인 진전이 이루어지길 바란다.Rich Farmbrough, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)
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FYI, 나는 Z554를 꽤 명백한 POV 편집으로 한 번 되돌렸을 뿐이다; 다른 두 편집자도 같은 편집으로 한 번 되돌렸다.몬도위스 3월 21일부터 22일까지의 역사를 보라.마지막 편집자는 자신의 복귀에 대해 "Rv NPOV 위반, 강제 공격"이라고 썼다.Z554는 우리의 반역 반달리즘이라고 이름붙였다.
사용자:z554는 위키백과의 편집 요약, 대화 페이지 등에서 아마도 나의 자료나 인신공격의 백 건이 넘는 사건을 처리해야 하는 일주일 동안 우연히 나를 만났다.롱텀_abuse/JarlaxleArtemis 그리고 그의 양말 사용자 페이지 중 십여 쪽에 태그를 달아야 했다.(특별 참조:기부금/캐롤무어드스크)위키피디아를 보면:롱텀_abuse/JarlaxleArtemis 당신은 그의 방법 중 하나가 - 어쨌든 내 머릿속에 박혔듯이 - "그는 하나 이상의 비공격적인 sockpuppuppet 계정을 만들었다"는 것을 볼 것이다.그래서 사용자: z554가 JarlaxleArtemis 반달리즘 때문보호되었던 기사에서 반달리즘처럼 보이는 것과 같은 종류의 반달리즘을 하고 있는 것을 우연히 만났을 때, 나그가 돌아왔다고 생각했어!상황을 감안할 때 쉽게 실수할 수 있다.캐럴모어DC1920:57, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

편집자 한 명을 위한 사용자 계정 두 개

사용자 의심:Sanoop_robert사용자:Rrrobert88은 같은 사람이다.둘 다 사용자만 편집:그 자체가 문제인 사노프_로버트(자기 홍보, 기사처럼 보인다).나는 그의 토크 페이지에 그가 사용자 페이지를 변경한다는 것을 제안하는 메모를 남겼지만, 그것은 너무나 노골적인 자기 홍보의 일환이고, 계정들은 단지 그런 목적으로 사용될 뿐이므로, 빠른 삭제가 적절할지도 모른다.JBarta (대화) 09:04, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

  • Bwilkins는 사용자 페이지 G11을 삭제했다. 나는 그것을 훔쳐보지는 않았지만 그의 판단을 믿는다.두 사람의 동일인에 대해서는, 현 단계에서 많은 것을 하는 것이 다소 힘들며, WP에 더 가깝다.SPI 발행.엄살을 부리기 위해서는 욕을 보여야 한다.그들은 그냥 친구일 수도 있고 서로를 알 수도 있어, 우리는 지금으로서는 정말 몰라.그들은 시스템을 남용하거나 조작하기 위해 계정을 사용하지 않기 때문에 차단이 정당화되지 않는다.아직. Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 19:53, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 가입

관료/관리자들의 부적절한 행동, 그 결과 내가 바위와 힘든 곳 사이에 끼이게 된다.

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

관료와 행정관 사이에 불만족스러운 상황이 닥쳤기 때문에 이것을 ANI에 가져가는 것인데, 나는 자발적이지 않은 눈빛이 보였으면 좋겠다.
3월 12일에 는 토크에서 토론을 보고 있었다.M4 고속도로.다음과 같은 5명의 편집자가 참여했다.사용자:람블링 맨, 사용자:다른 아이, 사용자:Martinvl, 사용자:Martinevans123사용자:개러스 그리피스 존스새로운 그래픽의 도입에 대해서는 의견이 엇갈렸다; 처음 두 편집자는 도입에 반대했고, 마지막 세 편집자는 찬성했다. 후 사용자:우리의 다른 아이는 그날 저녁만 설정된 새로운 계정이었고, 그 기사 편집과 토크 페이지 편집에만 사용되었고, 그들의 첫 번째 편집은 바로 이것이었습니다.따라서 나는 경험이 풍부한 편집자만이 그러한 템플릿(또는 실제로 어떤 템플릿)의 존재를 알 수 있기 때문에 이 계정은 새로운 사용자가 아니라 경험 많은 편집자의 양말이라고 결론지었다.나는 양말 계정이 인출되기를 바라면서 여기에 나의 우려를 방송했다. 그러나 대신 사용자:우리다른 아이는 결백을 가장했다.이러한 기만 유지에 대한 대응으로, 나는 여기서 좀 더 구체적인 주장을 폈다. 여기서 나는 사용자 이름을 다음과 같이 지었다.양말 주인 용의자로 지목된 람블링 맨.나는 이 사용자를 명명했다. 왜냐하면 그 당시 그는 두 사용자로서 유일하게 논리적인 용의자였기 때문이다.다른 아이사용자:램블링 맨은 새로운 그래픽에 대한 반대 의견으로 다른 세 명의 편집자들과 연합했다.나는 내가 나중에 들은 것처럼, 이 시점에서 나는 그러한 이름이 "금지할 수 있는 공격"이 될 수 있다는 것을 전혀 몰랐다고 지적한다.
다음에 로그인했을 때 User:'람블링맨'은 내 토크 페이지에 새로운 실을 열어서 3개의 메시지를 올렸는데, 그 모든 것은 나에게 약간의 공격성이나 심지어 위협적인 기색을 띠고 있었고, 한편으로는 분명히 그가 여기에 너무 오래 있었기 때문에 체크유저에게 청혼하는 것이 좋을 것 같다고 동시에 말하는 것 같았다(여기 참조). 그러나 다른 한편으로는 권고도 했다.내가 스스로 문제를 악화시킬 것이고 가 "바보"처럼 보일 것이기 때문에 체크유저에 대한 요청을 반대한다.그는 또한 (여기를 참조) 사용자)에 대해 개방된 별도의 양말 조사의 존재에 대해 나에게 경고(여기 참조)했다.사용자별 다른 아이:Martinvl (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet 조사/DeFacto/Archive#13 2013년 3월).
이 게시물에 대한 나의 반응은 다음과 같은 사용자:람블링맨은 나에게 수표원을 요청하지 말라고 협박하는 동시에 내가 요청하기를 원하는 모습을 보여주려고 했다.또한 그가 User에 대한 괴뢰에 대한 별개의 고발에 대해 그렇게도 자각해야 한다는 것도 의아한 생각이 들었다.우리의 다른 아이.나는 이 별개의 SPI 조사를 살펴보았고, 두 가지를 주목했다: 첫째, 사용자:우리의 다른 아이는 새로운 편집자가 될 수 없었다. 왜냐하면 그들은 그들에 대한 SPI 조사를 듣지 않았음에도 발견했기 때문이다. 그리고 두번째로 나는 그들이 M4 고속도로 페이지에서 상호작용을 하던 때의 목소리 톤의 변화에 놀랐다.특히 사용자:에서 사용하는 구절을 연상시키는 어드레스 톤을 사용했다.를 들어 SPI에서 Rambling Man in the SPI in them User:다른 아이가 "시간 표시 막대는 쓰레기야 - 끝이야"라고 말했는데, 사용자:M4 고속도로 토크 페이지(여기 참조)에 실린 '이 타임라인은 거지같고 아무에게도 설명하지 않는다'는 람블링맨의 언급.사용자:다른 아이도 텍스트를 굵게 강조 표시함. 사용자:람블링맨은 할 마음이 있다.
그 결과, 내 토크 페이지에서 나는 User에게 다음과 같이 대답했다.램블링 맨은 내가 그의 무죄를 100% 확신할 수 없기 때문에 체크유저와 함께 진행해야 할 것이라고 설명했다.나는 내 의심을 최대한 정중하고 진정으로 사과하며 솔직하게 표현하려고 애썼다(여기를 보라).이후 사용자:람블링맨은 체크유저 요청이 빨리 진행돼야 한다는 조바심을 내며 "여러 편집자의 후속 수모를 초래하게 돼 결과를 기대하고 있다"(여기 참조)고 주장했다.그는 또한 2개의 계정을 더 가져와서 그들이 User와 같다고 주장했다.다른 아이유저를 따라다녔다는군마틴vl 주위를 둘러본다(여기여기를 보라.
이에 대해 나는 매우 경계하고 정말로 의심스러워지고 있었는데, 특히 이때쯤에는 사용자가 다음과 같은 사실을 알게 되었기 때문이다.Rambling Man은 행정관이자 관료다.나는 그가 왜 그렇게 체크유저 요청이 이루어지기를 간절히 원하는지, 그리고 왜 계속 유저를 따르고 있는 가능한 양말을 가지고 오는지를 생각했다.마틴블?정말, 왜 그는 이 모든 잠재적인 양말을 그렇게 알고 있을까?의심의 여지없이 내 입장에서 냉소적이지만, 나는 User가 다음과 같이 생각하는지 궁금했다.위키백과 내의 권력자 지위의 소유자로서, 람블링 맨은 가능한 체크 사용자 요청에 대한 일종의 사전 지식을 가지고 있었다.그래서 나는 이 을 했는데, 나는 그 사건의 여러 가지 가능한 결과들을 인정했는데, 그 중 어느 것도 내 생각으로는 좋은 결과인 것 같지 않았다.사용자:람블링맨은 내가 단지 여러 가지 가능성을 인정하려 했을 뿐인데도 이것을 노골적인 비난성명으로 받아들였다.잠시 후 관리자(사용자:Rschen7754)은 갑자기 나의 토크 페이지에 나타나 체크 유저가 거절되고 삭제될 것이며, 내가 입을 다물지 않으면 ANI(여기 참조)로 개구리 결혼될 것이라고 말했다.그 후 나는 완전히 바위 틈과 힘든 곳 사이에 낀 기분일 뿐만 아니라(관료가 내가 침묵하고 있다는 분노를 계속 표출하는 동안 한 행정관이 나에게 입을 다물라고 했기 때문이다) 더 이상 전체 사업에 대한 신뢰가 없다.사용자가 다음을 수행한 이유:Rschen7754가 갑자기 어디선가 나타난다고?나는 그들이 이미 내 토크 페이지의 조용한 뒷말을 보고 있었는지 의심스럽다. 그리고 그들이 에 반응하고 있었다고 추측할 수 있을 뿐이다. 사용자:'람블링 맨'은 사용자 페이지에서 불과 7분 전이었습니다.만약 그렇다면, 위키백과 계층 내에서 우연히높은 지위를 차지하게 된 관련 사용자로부터 다소 감정적인 탄원을 받아 주제를 소개받은 지 불과 몇 분 만에 관리자가 잠재적인 SPI를 미리 판단하는 것이 과연 적절한가?
이 보고서는 이미 지나치게 길다.여기서 시작하는 내 토크 페이지의 전체 스레드를 관리자가 읽을 것을 제안한다. 전체 펼쳐지는 내용은 순차적으로 읽을 수 있다(사용자 이후 가장 최근에 발생한 게시물 포함:Rambling Man은 SPI 점원과 위키백과 SPI 대화 페이지)에 연락했다.
나의 입장을 요약하면 다음과 같다.

  • 1) 상당히 정교한 양말 작업이 수행되고 있으며, 그 중 일부는 사용자:우리의 다른 아이.
  • 2) 이 모든 것의 진상을 밝히려고 하면 이런 격분할 줄은 상상도 못했다.
  • 3) 나는 어떤 것으로도 잘못 비난하고 싶지는 않지만, 여러 편집자들이 위키백과 내에서 권력의 자리를 차지하고 있는 사람에 의해 "인간적인" 존재가 되는 원인이 되고 싶지도 않다.
  • 4) 두 사용자의 작업으로 인해:Rambling Man and User:Rschen7754는 둘 다 권력의 위치에 있지만 나는 더 이상 SPI 과정의 공정성을 믿지 않는다.
  • 5) 특별히 막히고 싶지는 않지만 거짓말보다는 막히고 싶다.나는 이것을 ANI에 가져옴으로써 어느 것 하나 없이 해결될 수 있기를 바란다.PaleClouded화이트(토크) 14:04, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
WP:TLDR. Giant Snowman 14:12, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
이건 음모야, 내가 말해줄게!요컨대 내가 양말 인형술사라는 비난을 받아왔지만 아무도 SPI를 실제로 접수할 능력이 없다는 것이다.나는 그 고발이 철회되거나 증명되기를 원한다.바로 그겁니다.The Rambling Man (talk) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 14:18 (talk)[응답]
SPI가 열린 줄 알았는데?그것을 끝까지 기다렸다가 만족을 요구하라.그렇지 않으면, 우리 공동체는 관리자와 뷰라크트들이 더 두꺼운 피부를 갖기를 기대한다.리틀 그린 로제타(토크)
센트럴 정밀검사기
2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
아니, 나는 조사를 받은 적이 없고 SPI는 폐쇄되었다.어떤 증거도 제시하지 않았음에도 불구하고 편집자들이 내가 양말 인형뽑기라고 의심하는 여러 곳에 글을 올릴 수 있도록 하는 것에 대한 당신의 지혜를 제시하기 전에 당신의 사실을 분명히 밝혀주십시오.The Rambling Man (talk) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 14:26 [응답]
TL;DR 버전: PCW는 투표와 언어 사용에 기초하여 새로운 사용자가 TRM의 양말일 수 있다고 생각했다.PWC는 그가 SPI 제소에 끌려가거나, 아니면 그가 그렇게 한다면 다시 복수를 받을지도 모른다는 생각에 겁을 먹고 있다.이번 사건에 대한 SPI는 아직 접수되지 않은 것으로 보인다.TRM. little green rosetta (talk)
central 검사기
14:29, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]

이 문제에 대한 나의 견해는 다음과 같다.

요컨대, 나는 여전히 사용자:우리의 다른 아이는 양말장수다. 이 단계에서 나는 양말장사를 알아볼 준비가 되어 있지 않지만, 나는 그것이 사용자라고 믿지 않는다.램블링 맨.반면에, 나는 사용자:Rambling Man은 RJL 문제를 처리하는 과정에서 많은 판단 오류를 범했다.나는 이러한 판단의 오류(실제로 판단의 오류인 경우)가 DRN에서 해결될 것이라고 믿는다.마틴vl (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 15:05 [응답]

프로젝트에 합의점이 없음에도 불구하고 당신이 일방적으로 사용하기로 결정한 템플릿을 제거했다.그게 다야.하지만 내가 양말 인형 주인이 될 가능성에 대한 당신의 평가에 감사한다.때때로 나는 나의 대리석을 잃어버리기도 하지만, M4 기사의 타임라인이나 템플리트 사용에 대해 논쟁하기 위해 갑자기 사악한 계정을 만들지는 않을 것이다.The Rambling Man (talk) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 15:10 (talk)[응답]
  • 나는 대부분의 텍스트 벽을 읽고 나서 진저리가 났다.진지하게 말하는데, 왜 당신이 그 양말 링크를 만들었는지 이해가 가네, PaleClouded.화이트. 그렇긴 하지만, 드 팩토는 악명 높은 양말 퍼피터인데, 이것은 그의 표준적인 절차 안에 들어 있다.당신이 양말 투척으로 고발한 사용자가 의심스러운 양말에 대한 SPI를 알고 있었다고 해서 의심받을 이유가 없다.당신은 또한 존재하지 않거나 근거가 빈약한 <람블링 맨>에 대해 여러 가지 혐의를 제기하셨습니다.우리의 다른 아이에 대항하여 실제로 길러진 SPI가 훨씬 더 강했던 것은 아니다.PaleClouded화이트, 난 네가 그 막대기를 내려놓을 것을 촉구한다 - 너는 매우 WP를 잘 해 왔다.여기서 PITY(예를 들어, 두 명의 사용자로 인해 전체 SPI 프로세스가 결함이 있다는 설명)는 선의의 실수 이외의 다른 것에 대한 증거가 거의 없으며, Rambling Man은 너무 오랫동안 존재하여 그가 갑자기 투정을 시작할 필요가 없었다(적어도, 그러길 바란다...) 루케노94(루크에게 여기서 말해라) 16:24, 242013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 불과 몇 년 전만 해도 선거 기간 동안 십여 개의 양말을 가지고 있는 것이 발견된 ArbCom 후보가 있지 않았는가?지식 탐색 (대화) 16:54, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[답글]
      • 글쎄, 하지만 내가 아는 건 내가 실제로 이 검사를 해 달라고 부탁했다는 거야난 숨길 게 없어SPI를 제출하는 데 필요한 증거를 제시하려면 이 보고서와 최초 고발 둘 다의 선동자가 필요해...The Rambling Man (talk) 2013년 3월 23일 16:57, (UTC)[답글]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

보리스 베레조프스키(기업인)

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

뜻밖에 세상을 떠난 러시아의 저명한 사업가에 관한 기사다.지난 몇 분 동안 많은 편집이 있었다.사망원인에 대한 추가 추측을 막기 위해 반보호라고 할 수 있을까?--Lo2u 17:43, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

반보호도 건설적인 IP 편집이 있었기 때문에 적절하지 않지만, 실제로 둘 이상의 IP에서 BLP 파괴행위였기 때문에, 3일 동안 보류 중인 변경을 구성했다.나는 그 기사를 내 감시 목록에 추가했고 가능한 한 빨리 편집된 내용이 생방송되도록 할 것이다.--Ymblanter (대화) 19:16, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
감사합니다. --Lo2u 19:19, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

딜런GLC 2011

나는 이것이 WP의 이슈인지 몰랐다.코인 또는 WP:NPOVN, 왜냐하면 두 가지가 혼합되어 있고, 약간의 장기간의 남용도 있기 때문이다.여기가 잘못된 장소라면 언제든지 알려줘.

딜런GLC2011 (대화 · 기부)은 이전 계정인 Dylans에 대한 영업권 후 지난 4월에 새로운 계정으로 되돌아왔다.TVChannel(토크·기여)은 TV 네트워크 니켈로디언(영국·아일랜드)과 관련된 부적절한 기사 몇 건이 홍보 내용만 담은 채 만들어진 뒤 사라졌다.나는 블록을 양말처럼 부탁하려고 했지만, 원래 계정이 차단된 적이 없었기 때문에 성공하지 못했다.

그 이후로, 나는 몇 달 동안 사용자들을 우리의 정책에 안내하기 위해 노력했다.편집자는 사이트를 소유하고 있다.UKHub는 과거 Nick UK/I에서 프로그래밍을 위한 소스로 사용하려고 시도했다.그들이 과거에 소유했던 경고 후 내 토크 페이지에서 자백을 한 후, 나는 그들에게 WP 때문에 즉시 그것과의 연결을 중단하라고 요청했다.COI. 그러나 닉 시리즈 피날레 기사의 편집에서 그들은 다시 그들 자신의 사이트의 소스를 사용했다.과거 많은 경고에도 불구하고 우리 사이트를 그들이 좋아하는 네트워크의 광고 서비스로 사용하거나 네트워크 사이트와 PR을 실제 출처로 사용하는 문제가 전혀 없자, 나는 그들에게 우리의 정책을 고수해 달라고 최종 경고를 했다.경고는 무효화되었고, 오늘 오후 사용자는 네트워크 시리즈의 초연을 네트워크 사이트로 소싱했는데, 이 초연은 정확하지 않고 네트워크 목록에서 실제로 찾을 수 없는 것이며, 아직 한 달이 남아 있다. WP:과거 TV 지침은 신뢰할 수 있는 중립적 매체에 시사회하는 것이었으며 보통 2주 전에야 시사회할 수 있었다.

나는 니켈로디언(영국·아일랜드)이 방송하는 프로그램 목록에 광고 콘텐츠를 추가해야 한다고 계속 주장해 온 이 사용자에 대해 인내심을 가지고 있다.편집자가 중립적인 이야기를 사용하지 말 것을 고집하는 것은, 바람직한 TV 목록이 허용 가능한 출처라고 주장하는 것은, 이 사용자가 백과사전을 짓기 위해서가 아니라, 단지 그들이 좋아하는 케이블 방송국의 홍보 부서에서 일할 수 있는 이력서를 만들기 위해서라는 것을 암시한다.r 지침우리의 정책을 지적하여 이 이용자를 지도하면 결국 가치 있는 편집자가 될 것이라고 생각했기 때문에 이것에 대해 언성을 높이고 싶지는 않았지만, 현시점에서는 특히 1년 전에 그 이름이 껑충 뛰면서 개혁되는 것을 볼 수 없다.네이트 • (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 21:42 [응답]

어드벤처 타임의 등장인물 목록

321위키만 (토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 페이지 이동 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)

최근, 나는 "마이너 캐릭터" 하위 섹션에 한 노트 캐릭터 골리드를 추가하는 것에 관한 이 기사의 편집을 되돌리고 있다.이 페이지의 질서를 유지하고 그것이 공상적으로 변질되지 않도록 하기 위해, 나는 쇼에 기여하거나 한 편 이상 출연하는 개인들로 캐릭터 추가를 제한하려고 노력했다(즉, 반복).배경 문자 등 없음).사용자:321그러나 Wikiman은 반복적인 등장인물 하위 섹션에 이 캐릭터를 계속 추가한다.게다가, 편집자는 "반환"이라는 문자에 관한 정보를 포함하고 있는데, 당신이 인용한 링크를 읽었을 때, 그것은 전혀 그런 것이 없다고 말한다.편집된 내용을 그들의 토크페이지에 있는 편집자와 역사페이지에 있는 나와 친절하게 의논해 보았지만, 그들은 이슈를 이해하지 못하거나 페이지를 방해하려고 하는 것 같다(예를 들어, 내가 토크페이지에 내 자신을 설명했을 때, 그들이 정보를 추가한 근거는: "그러나 골리드는 버블검공주가 골리를 핥는 것보다 훨씬 낫다.ad와 스톰은 다시 보여야 하고 버블검 공주는 죽어야 한다.)이것은 최근에 다시 시작되었다; 원래, 등장인물들은 메인 페이지의 일부분이었고, 편집자도 거기서 그것을 했다. (여기그리고 여기에서는 몇 가지 예시만 있다.)엎친 데 덮친 격으로, Wikiman의 AT 페이지 편집의 거의 모든 부분이 내가 아니더라도 다른 사람들(흔히 당면한 프로젝트와 무관한)에 의해 되돌아갔다.어떻게 해야 할지 막막하다.편집자가 훼방을 놓으려고 하는 것은 아닌 것 같은데, 내가 그들에게 말한 모든 것은 분명히 한쪽 귀로 듣고 한쪽 귀로 흘려버렸다.-젠. Quon (Talk) 18:22, 2013년 3월 21일 (UTC)[응답]

Goliad는 Princess Cookie 에피소드에 카메오로 출연하는데, 이는 그녀가 어드벤처 타임에 한 번 이상 출연했다는 것을 의미한다.321Wikiman(대화기여) 19:56, 2013년 3월 21일 사전 서명되지 않은 논평
  • 사소한 카메오라면 별로 중요하지 않은 것 같아.개인적으로, 나는 정말로 사소한 인물들이 그 기사(또는 어떤 기사)에 들어가서는 안 된다고 생각하지만, 나는 그것이 많은 사람들과 함께 짧게 오그라들 것이라는 것을 알고 있다.루케노94 (루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 21일 21시 4분 (UTC)[응답하라]

골리앗이 또 다른 에피소드에 등장한다면, 단역 이상의 역할로 그녀를 추가할 때가 될 것이다.--아우릭토크 10:16, 2013년 3월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

그리고 그 파괴적인 편집은 계속된다...-Gen. Quon (토크) 22:44, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

Ckenn18에 의해 수행된 AFC 리뷰

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

는 사용자들이 최근에 수행한 매우 많은 리뷰의 적절성에 대해 매우 우려한다.크켄18.나는 개인적으로 그들이 일괄적으로 취소되어야 한다고 생각하기 때문에, 이것은 한 번 훑어볼 가치가 있다고 생각한다.

예:

  • 이 기사는 약 20초 차이로 검토되었다.

필요하다면 예시를 더 추가할 수 있어 기쁘다.nonsense -- 페레트 15:59, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

사실 나는 20초 동안 관대했을 것이다. - 그는 1분간의 공간에서 4번의 그러한 리뷰를 했다 - 기여 목록을 본다 - 그의 목표는 그가 메인 스페이스에 보관되기 위해 여러 번 시도했지만 실패했던 기사를 검토하고 승인하는 것이었던 것 같다. 그리고 그것은 나에게 엄청난 부수적인 다마그처럼 보인다.e --ferretnonsense 16:16, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
는 일괄적으로 되돌리는 것은 적절하지 않다고 생각한다. 왜냐하면 그것들 중 일부는 유효한 하락이기 때문이다.하지만 크리스 돌란의 감소를 되돌린 것은, 그것이 제대로 공신력을 확립한 것처럼 보였기 때문이다.--SerkOfVulcan (토크) 16:22, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
'잘못된 이유'에 대한 올바른 거절은 잘못된 결정 이상이 아니라면 도움이 되지 않는다. - 그는 여러 번 'NOT' 이유를 사용했고, 그것은 기사를 제출했고 아마도 두 번 밖에 채택되지 않은 사람들에게 매우 실망스러울 것이다.누군가 직접 보고 확인해 보자고 제안하는 것 같은데, 그게 현실적이야? -- nonsense페렛 16:33, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 아, 시간이라는 게 무슨 말인지 알겠어. AfC가 시작된 지 20초 후에 말이야.그 AfC는 아직 메인 스페이스에 대한 준비가 되어 있지 않지만(내 취향에 좀 너무 홍보적이다), 물론 거절당할 준비가 되어 있지 않다.루케노94 (루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말함) 2013년 3월 23일 16:29 (UTC)[응답하라]
Ckenn18이 AfC에서 만든 다음 (검토를 기다리지 않고) 오늘 기사 공간으로 옮긴 Arlene Zelina위키백과에서 삭제한 것과 실질적으로 다르다는 것을 확인할 필요가 있을 것이다.삭제/알린 젤리나에 대한 조항.현재 버전은 크게 유튜브, 페이스북, 트위터, 블로그를 언급하고 있는 것으로 보인다.Voceditenore (대화) 16:32, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
제출서류 중 일부인 [73], [74], [75], [76], [77], [78]에서 제출서류를 삭제한 것 같다.니무아크 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 16:59 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이것을 보고 그들 모두를 헤쳐나가기 시작했다.많은 수의 하락이 잘못되었을 뿐만 아니라, 그는 거절 대신 '제출된' 템플릿을 제거하고, 감소 템플릿을 복사하여 템플릿 코딩(timestamp)을 엉망으로 만들고 있다. - Happysailor(Talk) 17:05, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
그렇게 해줘서 고마워 - nonsense 또한 제출자에게 --ferret 17:09, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]을 통보하지 않았다.
나는 방금 AfD에서 삭제된 글의 복제판인 Alene Zelina를 삭제했다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 17:22 [응답]
Sockpuppet도 사용 가능 - 첫 번째 사용자 페이지에서 경고를 제거하고 원래 삭제 논의에 기여하는 [79]를 참조하십시오.nonsense 페렛 17:34, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC)[응답]
(충돌 편집)나는 그의 토크 페이지에 가서 그가 속도를 늦추거나 이해하지 못하면 도움을 청할 것이다.만약 그가 그것을 주의하지 않는다면, 그는 AfC 리뷰의 주제 금지가 필요하다.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 17:38[응답]
(충돌 편집)지옥, 애초에 그가 알렌 젤리나를 만든 사람이라는 사실을 놓쳤었다.그의 명성이 떨어진다고 급작스런 감소를 보면서, 기껏해야 그가 주장을 펴려고 하는 것이라고 말하고 싶지만, 나에게는 오히려 복수심에 가까운 것 같다.그는 속도를 늦추기 위한 경고가 아니라 차단기가 필요하다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 17:52 [응답]
이 후기를 더 자세히 살펴보면, 아마도 당신의 의견에 동의해야 할 것이다 - Happysailor 17:55, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
...그리고 그가 처음 몇 번 한 것을 보면 확실히 복수처럼 보인다. -합피사일러 18:08, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 남은 게 있다면 대량실행(잘했든 못 했든 상관없이 WP:DENNE)를 누른 다음 WP에 따라 이 사용자를 정의하십시오.현재 매우 잘 적용되는 것으로 보이는 NOTHERE - 현재.루케노94(루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 23일 18시 12분 (UTC)[응답하라]
    • 나의 AGF는 창밖이다.우리는 트롤을 당하거나, 아니면 그의 쇠퇴를 달갑지 않은 누군가에게 화를 내고 있다.이제 누가 막아라.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일 18시 15분(UTC)[응답하라]
    • 또한, 아무도 원하지 않는 한, 난 그냥 이 남자의 하락세에 있는 롤백 버튼을 부수러 갈 참이야.그들은 분명히 순수한 공공 기물 파손 행위다.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 18:17[응답]
      • 동의한다. 매쉬 어웨이. --SarekOfVulcan (대화) 19:02, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
        • 나는 이 편집자에게 무기한 차단 조치를 내렸다.그러한 블록에 대한 나의 견해는 그것들이 그들이 말하는 무기한이며, 만약 관리자가 편집자가 차단된 조치가 반복되지 않을 것이라고 확신한다면, 무기한 블록을 가진 편집자는 언제든지 차단 해제될 수 있다는 것이다.필자는 "편집자가 차단된 이유를 인지하고 향후 그러한 행동을 자제하고 AFC를 멀리하기로 동의할 때까지 명시하지 않는다"고 덧붙였다.이 편집자가 무엇 때문에 화가 났는지, 그들의 행동의 신속성이 나를 걱정하게 하는지 모르지만, 차단해제를 원하는 사람이 있다면(물론 조건이 충족된다면) 나는 상담받을 필요가 없다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 19:10 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

이거 리브델 가치가 있는 거야?

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

수정 삭제가 필요할 정도로 이[80]이 나쁜지는 모르겠지만, 순전히 파괴적인 것은 말할 것도 없고, 심한 모욕이나 모욕이나 모욕적인 사건이 분명히 만들어질 수 있기 때문에, 혹시 모르니 여기로 가지고 와야겠다고 생각했다.내가 여기서 과민반응하고 있다면 사과할게.건배, 여명바드 (토크) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 23:19[응답]

  • WP 충족:CRD #2 그래서 내가 수정했어.필수는 아니라고 생각하지만, 역사 속에 그것이 있다는 것은 우리에게 이로울 것이 없다고 생각한다.데니스 브라운 - 2 brown - WER 23:25, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 가입[응답]
  • 그리고 IP가 차단되었다.--Bb23 (대화) 23:27, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

무심코 외출

여기서 볼 것 없음 —Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:32, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.

편집 요약에는 다수의 위키백과인을 아웃소싱하는 포럼 쓰레드에 대한 링크가 포함되어 있다.따라서 편집 요약은 서두른 후에 수정되어야 한다.Rich Farmbrough, 02:10, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)
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외출. 교통 체증.완벽해. --OnoremDil 02:22, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

왜 내가 알리지 않았지?이거 다시 열어볼래? IRC의 리치리치?카라이트 (대화) 05:43, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

이 사용자 이름과"부주의한 여행"의 개정 삭제 뒤에 숨겨진 것을 뜻하는( 잘못된)주장에 첨부 보관할 예정이다 나는 영구적인 기록을 살펴보는 내 편집 요약 연결되어 삭제된 기둥:"copyvio로, Wikipediocracy 우편으로 줄거리 요약 Blanking:<>url>"wi의 정확한 텍스트를 두고 싶다.그 무엇특정 위키백과 정치 포스트에 대한 URL:

By "Monage Daydream"

(견적) . . . .이미지 저작권 침해만이 아니다.다음은 빌 윌리엄 콤프턴의 사랑과 메리(T-H-L) 줄거리 요약이다.

인용:
메리 윌슨은 텍사스에서 태어나 자랐지만 성인이 되었을 때쯤에는 외딴 가족에 싫증을 느끼고 로스앤젤레스를 옮겨 스스로 경력을 쌓았다.메리는 고급 베이크샵을 연 전문 요리사지만, 일부 언론의 악재와 심한 임대료 인상으로 인해 문을 닫을 수도 있다.가게가 파산하지 않게 하기 위해 필사적으로 애쓰는 Mary는 그녀의 약혼자 Brent를 데려와 그녀의 가족에게 소개하고 그들의 약혼 선물이 채권자들을 갚을 수 있는 충분한 현금을 가져오기를 바라는 것이다.그러나 심각한 알레르기 반응은 브렌트가 가는 것을 막는다; 메리는 여행을 미룰 여유가 없기 때문에 그녀는 무책임한 감옥새인 브렌트의 쌍둥이 동생 제이크를 약혼녀로 가장하기 위해 데려온다.Jake는 Mary의 가족의 마음을 얻었고, 그들은 둘 다 서로에게 감정을 발전시킨다.Lucy, Mary의 어린 시절 친구인 Lucy는 그녀가 모든 현실을 알고 있는 것처럼 Jack을 유혹하려고 한다.그러나 Jake는 결혼 때문에 마음을 접었고, 그러는 동안 Brent는 그녀를 LA로 다시 데려갔다.그러나 곧 그는 또한 그들 둘 다 서로를 위해 만들어진 것이 아니라는 것을 깨닫는다. 그들은 결혼식을 취소했고, 마침내 결혼은 잭에게 그녀의 사랑을 고백하고, 그들은 둘 다 결혼한다.

뉴욕 타임즈 캡슐 리뷰:

인용:
자신의 꿈의 사업을 살리기 위해 사소한 사기 행각을 벌이는 한 여성이 초대 감독 엘리자베스 해리슨의 이 독립 코미디 영화에 바보 같은 전과자와 연루되었을 때 더 깊이 파고든다.메리 윌슨(Lauren German)은 텍사스에서 태어나고 자랐지만 성인이 될 무렵에는 외딴 가정에 싫증을 느끼고 동부로 건너가 스스로 경력을 쌓았다.메리는 고급 베이크샵을 연 전문 요리사지만, 일부 언론의 악재와 심한 임대료 인상으로 인해 문을 닫을 수도 있다.가게가 파산하지 않도록 필사적으로 애쓰며, 메리는 자신의 약혼자 브렌트(가브리엘 맨)를 데려와 그녀의 가족에게 소개하고, 그들의 약혼 선물이 채권자들을 갚을 수 있는 충분한 현금을 가져오기를 바라는 것이다.그러나 심한 알레르기 반응으로 브렌트가 가는 것을 막는다; 메리는 여행을 미룰 여유가 없기 때문에, 무책임한 감옥새인 브렌트의 쌍둥이 동생 제이크(맨도 연기한다)를 데리고 와서 가족을 먹여 살리는 것처럼 흉내낸다.사랑과 메리는 2007년 사우스바이사우스웨스트 영화제에서 세계 초연을 받았다.~ 마크 데밍, 로비(종료)

나는 사용자에 의한 위키백과 카피폭력의 최초 식별을 위한 신용을 제공하려고 노력했다.빌 윌리엄 콤프턴, 그리고 그 포스트에만 연마했다.이제 정책과는 달리 나에게 연장되지 않은 예의인 이 실의 존재를 BWC에 통보하겠다.카라이트 (대화) 06:17, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

Carrite, 위키백과 편집자가 온위키에 대한 연결을 언급하지 않는데 왜 IRC 사용자 이름과 위키백과 사용자 이름을 연결하려고 하는가?특히 위의 사항들 중 어떤 것도 IRC와 무슨 관계가 있는지 전혀 알 수 없을 때 더욱 그렇다.그런 것에 대해서는 조금 더 조심해야 할 것 같아. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 16:52, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 또한 문제의 사이트가 그것에 대해 언급하고 있는 것이 꽤 확실하다고 말할 것이다. 그리고 최근의 사건들에 따르면, 우리는 지금 그것에 전혀 연결되지 않는다.꼭 찍어야 한다면 캡처해.알겠다.확실히 외출이 있는 사이트와 연결되지 않는 일을 하라.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일 17시 42분(UTC)[응답하라]
뉴욕 타임즈가 누군가를 따돌린다면 그 사이트로 연결되는 링크를 모두 삭제해야 한다는 뜻일까?전 그렇지 않다고 생각해요.외출이 수반되지 않는 특정 포럼 실에 대한 링크(그렇지 않지?)는 문제가 되어서는 안 된다. --SrekOfVulcan (토크) 18:22, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
한 오버세이터는 카라이트가 그 사이트 자체만이 아닌 사적인 정보가 포함된 페이지임을 확인했다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 18:26, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
아, 그렇구나.반만 알고 있다가 불쑥 튀어나와서 미안해. --SerkOfVulcan (대화) 18:52, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 페이지에 링크한 것이 아니라 포스트에 링크했다.내 생각에는 오버파이터가 잘못되었다.카라이트 (토크) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 18:59 [응답]
링크를 가지고 있다면 다시 한번 살펴보는 것이 좋을 것 같다.페이지와 연결되어 있고, 부주의하게 스크롤한 것이 외출의 환영을 만들어냈을 겁니다.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일 19시 9분(UTC)[응답하라]
링크도 있고, 그윅와이어도 맞으며, 카라이트도 맞지 않아. --Demiurge1000 (토크) 23:20, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
IRC는 위키피디아의 일부인가 아니면 그렇지 않은가?거기서 한 명의 이름으로 활동을 위한 운동을 하고 다른 이름을 가진 다른 실을 여기서 여는 것이 여러 개의 계정을 남용하는 것인가 아니면 그렇지 않은 것인가?그것은 포럼 쇼핑의 예인가, 아닌가?하나의 위키백과 계정을 다른 "outing"과 연결하려는 것인가 아니면 그렇지 않은가?이것들은 큰 문제야, 아마 ArbCom이 이것을 다스려야 할지도 몰라.이 스레드가 마음에 들지 않으면 얼마든지 소송을 제기하십시오.카라이트 (토크) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 17:50 (응답)
당신은 WP에서 위키피디아와 IRC 채널의 관계에 대해 더 많이 읽을 수 있다.IRC. 나는 Freenode의 IRC 서버에 있는 계정이 WMF 관련 망토를 사용하든 사용하지 않든 어떤 의미에서도 "위키피디아 계정"이라고 보지 않는다. 그것은 확실히 WP에 속하지 않는다.SOCKPUPET은 당신이 제안하는 것처럼 보이는 것이다.WP 위반에 대한 고발이 있을 경우:COVER, 당신은 그것을 제대로 엉망으로 만들었소. (우연히, 위키백과:감독 요청은 구체적으로 "누구나 어떤 식으로든 가장 빠르고 쉬운 방법으로 탄압을 필요로 하는 문제를 보고할 수 있다"고 말하고 나서 IRC를 그 방법 중 하나로 구체적으로 언급한다. 그리고 그렇게 되었다.)
내가 Arbcom 케이스를 여는 제안은 매우 흥미롭다.그런 것들이 아무리 흥미롭다고 해도, 나는 네가 사생활에 관한 허용 가능한 행동의 가장자리에 자꾸 다가가는 것은 현명하지 못하다고 생각한다.특히 나는 당신이 이 실에서 연결한 것, 관련 사용자 토크 페이지 토론에서의 당신의 행동, 그리고 사생활 보호를 위해 revdeld해야 했던 편집 요약에 대해 내가 제기한 우려를 생각하고 있다.우리는 이 세 가지 항목 중 마지막 항목이 정말 부주의했기를 바랄지도 모른다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 18:24, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
무심코든 아니든 이곳(또는 저곳)에는 외출이 없었다.내가 알 수 있는 한 편집 요약은 위키피디아 정치에서 주장된 (구독된) 것을 보여주는 글과 연결되었을 뿐이다.그럴까?가능한가? - 지브롤터페디아 대회 우승자는 카피비오를 범한 적이 없다.우리가 지금 가지고 있는 것은 저작권 문제에서 다른 것으로 주의를 돌리기 위한 값싼 전략 전술이다.그리고 그것은 IRC에 대한 조사를 통해 이루어졌다.자원봉사 마렉 18:51, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
IRC에 "저작권 문제에서 주의를 기울이다"라는 편집 요약을 수정하도록 요청하려면 어떻게 해야 한다.
너의 다른 주장으로, 나는 그 페이지가 사적인 정보를 포함하고 있다고 프레드의 말을 믿게 되어 매우 기쁘다.동의하지 않을 수도 있지만, 그건 당신에게 달려 있다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 18:56, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
우리는 다르다, 나는 그것에 대해 똑똑한 사람이 되기 위해 어떤 링크도 다시 게시하지 않을 것이다.카라이트 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 19:00[응답]
IRC에 "저작권 문제에서 주의를 기울이지 않은" 편집 요약을 수정하도록 요청한다면? - 그렇지 않지만, 이 게시판에 이런 내용을 올릴 수 있을 것이다.자원봉사 마렉 19:01, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
이 게시판을 리브델이나 억제를 요청하는 장소로 사용하는 것은 정말 어리석은 짓이다.왜 OP의 인내심이 바닥났는지 이해할 수 있지만, 그것은 여전히 어리석은 짓이다.어느 쪽이든, 링크에 관한 적절한 행정조치가 지금 취해졌다, Carrite는 (그에게 주의를 기울이도록 선택할 수도 있고 아닐 수도 있는) 나의 충고를 받았기 때문에, 내가 볼 수 있는 한 여기서 관리자들이 할 수 있는 다른 것은 없다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 19:18, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • @VM. 나는 이것이 저작권 침해 문제에 대한 의도적인 전환은 아니라고 생각한다.위반자는 비교적 초기에 문제가 되는 편집과 나중에 일부 경합과 관련된 편집 사이에서 저작권법의 옳고 그름을 분명히 알아냈을 것이다.물론 그럴지도 모르지만, 그 문제에 대한 정밀 조사가 도를 넘지는 않을 것이다.이것은 BADSITES의 모든 링크를 명명할 수 없는 비평 사이트로 보내려는 시도의 또 다른 장일 뿐이다.이 경우에는, 무효로, 내 견해로는.카라이트 (대화) 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC) 19:06[응답]

다행히도 Carrite는 내가 IRC에서 여러 번 나라고 말했기 때문에 IRC에서 리치리치로 나를 "아웃"할 수 없다. 만약 Carrite가 이것을 몰랐다면 그들은 어쨌든 그것을 말하지 말았어야 했다.이 게시물은 그들의 이름을 언급하지 않았고, 어떠한 비난도 수반되지 않는다는 것을 분명히 했으며, 그래서 그들의 분노는 다소 잘못된 것으로 카피비오를[above RF] 두 배로 다시 소개했다.물론 Demiurge1000은 이 보드를 사용하는 것이 일반적으로 현명하지 못하다는 것이 옳지만, IRC에서 편집이 언급되었기 때문에 신속한 조치가 필요했고, 실제로 이를 위해 달성되었다.여기서 유일하게 해결되지 않은 질문은 감독으로부터 응답을 받으려고 하는 시도가 왜 실패했는가 하는 것이다.Rich Farmbrough, 04:58, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC)
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내가 아는 한, 내가 빈 카피비오 섹션은 그것이 가지고 있던 매우 가까운 파라프레이즈 문제를 완화시키는 방식으로 다시 쓰여졌다.이 문제에서 나는 바트 심슨 변호인을 맡을 것이다: "나는 그것을 하지 않았다."감시의 필요성에 대해서는 우리는 의견이 다르다.IRC를 오버세이터의 합법적인 채널로 사용할 수 있는 능력에 대해 나는 매일 무언가를 배우고 정정한다.네가 나에게 알리지 않고 이 실을 시작한 것에 대해 말하자면, 그것은 너의 명백한 오류였다.일반적인 진술로서 IRC는 악취를 풍기고 WMF는 그것을 폐지해야 한다고 생각하지만, 그것은 여기에도 없고 거기에도 없다.통신 끝.카라이트 (대화) 05:58, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

위키피디아는 사용자 때문에 오늘날 도움이 되기 보다는 파괴적이다.젬보왈레스

트롤 음식 - 2013년 3월 24일 03시 50분 (UTC)[응답하라]
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.
다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

WP:ASUSUALWP:위키백과 제목:왜? 나는 이 사용자가 WP로 다른 사용자들을 불규칙하게 공격하고 시스템을 시도했던 몇 가지 순간을 점점 더 잘 알게 되었다.Personalslurs. 나는 위키피디아의 비자유 콘텐츠에 공정한 준거로 여기에 IP 주소를 기록하고 있어, 그래서 여기에 글을 올린 거야.상황에 대한 적절한 대응을 조언해 달라. 64.7.84.134 (대화) 18:45, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 네가 무슨 말을 하는지 확실하지 않다.사용자 계정이 없음 사용자:JomboWales, 그리고 위에서 링크하는 두 개의 위키백과 페이지도 존재하지 않는다.당신이 언급하고 있는 것을 좀 더 자세히 설명해 주시겠습니까? -- The Anome (대화) 18:49, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답하라]
상황에 대한 적절한 대응은 나이스컵 차와 앉는 것이다. --Demiurge1000 (대화) 18:52, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
여기에는 아무런 문제가 없어 보이는데, 단지 두 개의 레드링크 "정책"과 설명 없이 "시스템" 그리고 또 다른 레드링크 정책 같은 다른 것들의 중얼거림일 뿐이다.그런 다음 NFCC를 준수하여 IP를 기록하려고 하는가?는 내 WP가 다음과 같은 예일 수 있다.AGF 미터가 제대로 작동하지 않고 단지 말하는 것뿐입니다.귀와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일 19:47 (UTC)[응답하라]
그래, 이건 좀 수상하군.AutomaticStrikeout (T C AAPT) 19:49, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 처음 두 링크 중 어느 것도 존재하지 않으며, 심지어 원격으로 가까운 것도 없으며, 사용자 이름 위반으로 시작하려면 사이트에서 차단되었을 사용자도 없다.나는 우리가 괴롭힘을 당하고 있는지 궁금하다.이 IP는 WebPerception, LLC의 회사 정적 IP라는 점에 유의하십시오.포트를 둘러본 결과 PCO가 발견됨IP open(IP open)은 VPN(즉, 프록시 사용 중이지만 닫힐 수도 있음)인 것 같다.그리고 이 모든 것은 공공 정보지, 외출이 아니야, btw.나는 다른 사람들이 스스로 결론을 내리도록 할 것이다.데니스 브라운 - 2 brown - WER 19:50, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 가입[응답]
  • 2011년 7월 이후 IP 주소는 편집에 사용되지 않았음을 유의하십시오.AutomaticStrikeout(T C AAPT) 19:52, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC)[응답]
  • IP의 토크 페이지에 메모를 남겼다.나는 적어도 추가 조치를 취하기 전에 그들에게 분명히 할 수 있는 변화를 줄 것이다.AutomaticStrikeout (T C AAPT) 20:02, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
얼마나 오래된 WP인가?BOLLOCKOLLOCKS.나는 이것이 트롤링에 대한 시도라고 의심한다.--Launchballer 21:34, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
신중한 대응:만일 내가 여기에 끼어들면, 관련 위키백과 정책 페이지의 MOST가 이미 제공되었다는 것을 지적할 수 있다. WP에 대한 우리의 논의 이전에 덧붙일 수 있다.토론, 그리고 나는 그것이 정상적인 프로토콜과 내용에 대한 집중에서 벗어난 것 같다.문제의 편집자는 지역 사회 전체를 향한 악의적인 기여를 제시했고, 구멍에 맞추어, "모든 사람들에게 당신이 이미 생각했던 것보다 훨씬 더 잘못되었다는 것을 증명하는 것보다 단지 입을 다물고 혹을 취하는 것이 더 낫다"는 사실을 고려할 필요가 있다.만약 이 편집이 개인적으로 악화된 성격으로 계속된다면, 우리는 문제가 생길 것이다.64.7.84.134 (대화) 22:57, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
예, 하지만 해당 편집자는 존재하지 않으며 연결된 일부 정책도 존재하지 않습니다.그 사소한 세부 사항들 또한 약간의 문제를 일으키고 있다.AutomaticStrikeout (T C AAPT) 23:04, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 모의 보고서다. 그리고 종결되어야 한다.굿데이 (토크) 23:08, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

지원 요청...

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

토크 페이지에서는 좀 바보 같은 일이 벌어지고 있다.아마 누군가 한번 볼 수 있을 것이다.고마워 --Merbabu (대화) 00:07, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

아주 기괴하다.나는 활성 블록 통지가 제거되어서는 안 된다고 믿는다.AutomaticStrikeout(T C AAPT) 00:14, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC)[응답]
WP:REMOVED에 따르면 편집자는 거부된 차단되지 않은 요청이나 삭발식 통지서를 제거해서는 안 되지만, 이 편집자는 이 두 가지를 모두 제거했다.토크 페이지를 보호했다. --BrownHairdGirl(토크) (출연) 00:19, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
그러나, 나는 도움을 받을 때 IP가 아마도 너무 많은 것을 가져왔을 것이라고 말하고 싶다(IP가 WP에 대해 알았다면:제거됨, ANI에 대해서도 알고 있었을 것이다.)AutomaticStrikeout(T C AAPT) 00:23, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC)[응답]
알려진 것을 상정하고 싶지는 않지만, 편집 전쟁이 나쁜 일이었다는 데는 동의한다.IP는 그러지 않도록 주의를 기울여야 한다. --BrownHairdGirl(토크) (출연) 00:38, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
Sockpuppetry 고지는 제거되지 않을 수 있지만(그리고 발생), 블록 고시에 한하여 WP:REMOVEED는 현재 블록 고지의 제거만 금지하고 있으며, 이와 같이 만료된 고지는 자유롭게 제거할 수 있다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:49, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

크로스 위키 하라스먼트

나는 WP에 따라 심오한 폴(토크 · 기여)에 의해 만들어진 몇 가지 횡설수설들을 제거했다.포룸 및 표준 경고 발행.이 때문에 문제의 편집자는 덴마크어 위키피디아에 있는 나의 토크 페이지를 방문하여 14개의 파괴적인 편집을 하게 되었다.이런 십자위키 괴롭힘에 대한 방침은? --사드히야마(토크) 20:05, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 우리가 여기서 뭘 할 수 있을지 모르겠어.엄밀히 말하면, 위키가 여러 위키에서 같은 일을 하고 있지 않는 한, 다른 언어에서 일어나는 일은 여기서 일어나지 않으며, 전세계적으로 잠금이 필요하다.그때도 WP:Steward만이 그것을 할 수 있다.덴마크어 위키백과의 관리자에게 연락해서 조치를 취해야 할 것 같아.여기 영어 위키백과에서는 차단되지만, 각각의 정책이 다르기 때문에 커먼스와 같은 다른 위키에 기고하는 사용자들이 있다.만약 그들이 여기서 정책에서 벗어난 행동을 한다면, 우리는 조치를 취할 수 있지만, 우리는 말 그대로 덴마크어 위키피디아에 대해 행동할 능력이나 권위를 가질 능력이 없다.Dennis Brown - 2inJoin WER 23:40, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
    데니스 말에 동의해.하지만 그동안 문제가 됐던 편집자의 거취를 여기서 어떻게 할 수 있다.그들이 편집한 거의 모든 것은 그 주제에 관한 개인적인 논문들을 추가하는 기사 토크 페이지였다.그들은 소수의 기사 편집을 했는데, 그 대부분은 또한 부적절하여 되돌아가고 있다.나는 그들의 토크 페이지에 그들의 행동에 대한 경고를 남겼다.그들이 멈추길 바래.--Bb23 (대화) 23:43, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • bb23은 그들의 토크 페이지에 도움이 되는 쪽지를 덧붙였고, 나는 그들에게도 몇 가지 분명한 사실들을 상기시켰다.아마 그게 도움이 될거야.데니스 브라운 - 2 brown - WER 23:43, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 가입[응답]
  • 편집자가 다와키에서 이틀 동안 차단된 것을 주목하면서. --Rschen7754 23:45, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC)[응답]
고맙지만, 다위키에 대한 이 편집자의 제재가 아니라, 여기 엔위키에 대한 그들의 행동에 대해 부탁한 겁니다.내용에서 알 수 있듯이, 내 덴마크 토크 페이지의 파괴적 편집은 여기 엔위키에 관한 나의 행동에 대한 매우 명백한 직접적인 반응이었으므로, 이것은 전적으로 엔위키 문제인데, 왜 나는 여기 엔위키에 있는 내 토크 페이지에서 파괴적 편집이 행해진 경우와 다른 대우를 받아야 하는지 알 수 없다. --사디야마(토크) 09:58, 22013년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답하라]

탄쿄우 스팸

Jax 0677(토크 · 기여)은 다른 편집자가 동의하는 의견을 게시할 때 의미 없는 "감사" 게시물로 XFD 토론을 스팸 발송했다. (예: [81], [82])이 댓글들은 오로지 '응답하라'로 구성돼 있다.사용자 이름 감사".

이런 식의 불협화음은 토론에 아무런 도움이 되지 않고, 단순히 페이지를 어지럽혀 놓아서, 나는 그것들을 삭제했다.잭스는 그 삭제를 되돌렸기 때문에 (아마도 잘못되었을 것이다) 내가 다시 삭제했고, 그들은 다시 되돌아갔다.

WP에 의해 이러한 종류의 탄키우스팸이 허용될 수 있는가?TPG? --BrownHairedGirl (대화) (기여) 23:52, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

최소한 XFD 토론의 수가 이미 너무 많은 XFD 토론 중 하나에 대해 적절한 답변을 해야 한다고 생각하기 때문에 이러한 토론은 매우 성가신 일이다.배너톡 00:11, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 짜증 나지만, 나는 네가 그들의 토크 페이지에서 그들과 토론을 하고 ANI 이전에 이것이 도움이 되지 않는다는 것을 그들에게 납득시킬 필요가 있다고 생각해.이것이 위반하는 정확한 정책을 확신할 수는 없지만, 상식적으로는 만약 그것이 극단적으로 받아들여졌다면 적어도 짜증나고 잠재적으로 파괴될 수 있으므로, 용기를 내야만 한다고 말한다.WP에 해당하는 유형:블러지오닝, 좋든 나쁘든 삭제 토론에서 모든 코멘트에 회신할 필요가 없기 때문이다.Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 13:58, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 가입[응답]

EllieBywater 및 일련 저작권 문제

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

나는 여기서 [94]의 문제 편집을 먼저 알아차리고 사용자 토크 페이지[95]에서 토론을 시작했으며, 치스윅 채프의 토크 페이지[96]에서 후속 작업을 했다. 그는 엘리에게 멘토링을 하고 있는 것으로 보인다.나는 이후에 저작권 위반의 역사를 발견했고 수많은 기사에서 철저한 패러프레이징을 했다.전반적으로 회계처리는 좋은 의도가 있는 것으로 보이며 상당한 기여를 했지만 역사는 문제가 있어 복사된 본문의 지문으로 장학금을 엮어 많은 걸레질을 수반하게 될 것이다.COI는 확실히 동기가 된다. 문제의 편집의 대부분은 계정이 작용하는 케임브리지 대학의 웹사이트에서 비롯된다[97].많은 차이점을 나열하기보다는 복사된 일부 텍스트에 대한 링크와 함께 위의 기사에 대한 링크를 제공했다(완전한 목록은 결코 아니다).앨리비워터가 추가한 더 큰 구절을 구글에서 검색하면 원본 출처가 드러날 것이다. 99.136.255.134 (토크) 12:45, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 위키피디아에 이것을 제출하는 것이 최선이라고 생각한다.기여자_복사권_투자자.기준(최소 5개의 명확한 예)을 충족하고, 그 곳의 편집자(읽기:문라이드걸)은 다음 단계를 밟을 수 있는 적절한 기술을 가지고 있다.세세한 부분만 훑어봤을 뿐 악의가 있어 보이지 않아 약간의 멘토링과 유용한 편집자가 다시 제 궤도에 오를 수 있기를 희망한다. --SP힐브릭(Talk) 12:56, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC)[응답]
됐어. 거기 보고서 베꼈어. 99.136.255.134 (대화) 13:08, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
고마워.--SP힐브릭(Talk) 13:27, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

중단 편집

터키의 한 사용자가 현재 여러 개의 다른 IP를 사용하여 터키어 POV를 추가하기 위해 여러 페이지에서 광범위한 편집 전쟁을 벌이고 있다.적어도 78.160.194.131, 78.160.123.145 78.160.83.240 83.66.212.59 78.160.6.86, 78.160.201.182는 분명히 동일한 사용자다.제피즈 (대화) 13:50, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

  • IP를 깡충깡충 뛰어다니고 있고, 그 범위가 너무 커서 전체적으로 차단할 수 없기 때문에, 나는 한 달 동안 두어 페이지를 반비례했다.나는 WP를 추천한다.보호를 위한 RFPP.완벽한 해결책은 아니지만, 차단이 불가능하기 때문에 실제로 효과가 있을 가능성이 더 높다.Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 14:56, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 가입[응답]
고마워!제피즈 (대화) 14:57, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
이러한 IP는 다른 기사(동일한 편집, 동일한 POV)에 포함되어 있으므로 필요한 경우 보호하십시오.목록:
고마워. 제크 (대화) 15:20, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 난 가서 그것들 대부분을 보호했다.보호를 위해서는 서로 다른 IP로 2회 이상 동일한 편집을 전쟁으로 함으로써 모든 IP로부터 반보호를 임시로 정당화하는 것을 보여줄 필요가 있다.내가 맞았으면 좋겠는데, 트윙클은 어떤 이유로든 보호 작업을 하지 않을 거야. 수동으로 보호 작업을 해야 해.Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 15:29, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 가입
템플리트 및 템플리트 대화 페이지에서 편집, 요약 및 주석을 볼 수 있다.템플릿:14세기 이전의 터키인들의 역사.템플릿은 동일한 편집 전쟁, POV 푸싱 및 프린지 편집으로 인해 3월 31일까지 완전히 보호된다.토크 페이지, 특히 컨센서스 섹션에 서면 코멘트를 읽어 보십시오(코멘트를 작성하면 도움이 될 겁니다). 다른 예는 대 셀주크 제국이다.그들은 동적/공유 IP 주소를 사용하는 동일인이다.그러므로 관리자가 IP 호퍼(또는 IP와 유사한 활동/편람을 가진 사용자)에 의해 편집된 기사를 보는 것이 좋다.(토크) 16:11, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

소분류 기사

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

하위 기술(대화 기록 편집으로 로그 보기 보기 삭제 링크 보호)

기사를 개선하려고 할 때마다 '기사 주인'이 토크페이지에서 모든 변경사항을 토의해 보라고 하는 등 되돌아가고 있다.기사를 한 번 보면 이 기사가 왜 개선이 필요한지 알 수 있을 것이다.지금까지 우리는 서로 지나쳐 이야기를 하고 있는 것 같다.지금까지, 나는 모든 반전에도 불구하고 편집 전쟁을 겪지 않았다.하지만 그것은 구미가 당긴다.The greatdr (talk) 13:57, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답하라]

사용자 The greatdr은 토론과 합의 없이 글에서 사진과 테이블을 제거하고, 템플릿의 남용을 제거하며, 또한 그의 편집은 트롤링의 흔적이 있다.사용자 The greatdr에 의한 편집은 매우 논란이 많다. 나는 그에게 변화하기 전에 먼저 의논해 달라고 여러 번 부탁했다.아열대인 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 14:02 [응답]
아열대인은 그 변화가 논란의 여지가 있다고 믿는다...하지만 지금까지 오직 그만이 그것을 보았기 때문에 그것은 오직 그뿐입니다.그리고 내가 그것에 대해 논의하려고 할 때, 나는 똑같은 것을 반복해서 듣게 된다.어떤 논의도 불가능해 보인다.테그레이트드르 (토크)
무슨 글을 쓰는지 모르겠네?겨우 한 시간 동안 토론한 후에 ANI로 글을 쓴다.아열대인 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 14:14 (UTC)[응답]
당신은 왜 그 변화가 논쟁거리인지 말하지 않고 있다. 당신 관점에서는...단지 그들이 그렇다는 것 뿐이지제거된 테이블과 이미지는 어떻게 기사에 묶여 있었는가?만약 그것들이 단순한 예시라면, 당신은 한 종류당 한 개만 있으면 된다.The greatdr (talk) 14:20, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 아열대논평은 실제로 WP에 다음과 같이 주장하는 것 같다.기사를 소유하라.더욱이, The greatdr이 "trolling"하고 있다는 위의 비난은 WP를 위반하는 것이다.NPA. 그 위대한 인물은 편집이 거의 4만 건에 이르기 때문에, 그 비난은 완전히 우스꽝스럽다.더욱이, 토크 페이지 역사는 디그레이트드르가 상당히 광범위하게 논의해왔다는 것을 아주 분명하게 보여주고 있기 때문에, 디그레이트드르가 논의하지 않고 있다는 주장도 또한 거짓이다.제피즈 (토크) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 14:10 [응답]
    • 나는 "trolling의 신호"를 썼어, 판의 수? - 이 경우에는 중요하지 않아.이러한 상황에서 주제로 돌아가기 위해 다음과 같은 방법을 사용한다.위키백과:CYCLE (편집 -> 되돌리기 = 토론).또한, 디그레이트드르, 기사 토론에서 다른 사용자들의 의견을 기다리세요.아열대인 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 14:18 [응답]
      • 위의 모든 것 외에도 아열대인 역시 또 다른 정책 위반인 템플릿을 제거해오고 있는 것을 알 수 있다.솔직히 위의 PA, 거듭되는 편집 전쟁, 거짓 비난, 템플릿 제거 등은 모두 아열대인 행태에 대한 우려를 불러일으킨다.아마도 그는 그 기사에서 잠시 쉬어야 할 것이다.제피즈 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 14:19[응답]
        • 템플릿이 남용되더라도 삭제할 수 없는 겁니까?좋아, 내일 4개의 기사에 12개의 템플릿을 소개한다:) 허위 고발?어디? 아열대인 (대화) 14:28, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답하라]
WP에 대해 들어보셨습니까?요점? 그리고 WP 위반에 대한 "남용"-사과:NPA, 트롤링 고발이 확실히 한 일이지그리고 오늘 10개 이상의 토크 페이지 의견을 가진 사용자가 "토론 없이" 편집하고 있다고 주장하는 것은 잘못된 비난이다.제피즈 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 14:40[응답]
  • 아열대인, 기사의 토크 페이지를 보면, 더 그레이트드르가 기사의 토크 페이지에 당신을 참여시키려 한 것으로 보이지만, 당신은 방금 "논란스럽다"고 말하고 실제로 참여하기를 거절한 것으로 보인다.이것은 주로 내용상의 논쟁이지만, 당신이 복귀한 후에 토론하기를 거부하는 것은 파괴적인 것으로 간주되며 선의의 표시는 아니다."트롤"이라는 꼬리표를 던지는 것도 미개한 짓이다.자기 입장을 견지하고 그것이 논란이 되고 있다고 광범위하게 주장할 것이 아니라, 왜 (정직하게) 되돌아갔는지 설명하기 위해 조금 더 진솔하게 갈 필요가 있다.해결할 수 없다면 WP:DRN은 가야 할 곳이지만, 당신은 진정한 토론에 참여하거나, 아니면 되돌리는 것에서 손을 뗄 필요가 있다.Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 15:09, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 가입[응답]

나는 The greatdr의 편집에서 무엇이 잘못되었는지 설명하려고 노력했다.분석 후, 유감스럽게도 이 기사에서 The greatdr의 각 판은 논란의 여지가 있거나 그른 것이며, 또한 그의 최신판인 Taipei는 가장 많은 출처에 따라 아열대성 기후를 가지고 있으며 대만 전체가 부분적으로만 열대성 기후에 속한다.그래서, 나는 질문이 하나 있다: 이런 식으로 기사가 얼마나 오랫동안 바뀔 것인가(논쟁적이냐 아니면/그리고 그르냐)이런 상황에서 먼저 토론하고, 나중에 편집해야 한다.아열대인 (대화) 18:06, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 그럼 어떻게 해서든지 실제 기사토크 페이지에서 이 내용 토론을 계속하면 이 내용을 닫을 수 있다.우리는 ANI에서 콘텐츠를 결정하고 싶지 않다. 단지 행동과 방법만을 염두에 두고 WP에 따라 다음 사항을 염두에 두고 있다.BRD, 만약 당신이 되돌아가서 누군가 이유를 묻고 있다면, 만약 당신이 그 자료를 제외하기를 고집한다면, 당신은 그 대화 페이지에서 그들과 그 문제를 논의하기 위해 선의의 시도를 할 의무가 있다.그것은 양방향의 길이다.Dennis Brown - 2¢ : WER 18:28, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 가입[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

AN/TPS-43

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

약 6년 동안 AN/TPS-43(토크 히스토리 편집 보호 links watch log views)이라는 기사의 토크 페이지 Talk:AN/TPS-43(기사 기록 링크 감시 로그 편집)은 같은 사람에 의해 "나는 이 기사가 싫다, 카피비오다"와 다른 어리석음으로 파괴되었다.사용자:알렉스는 나보다 그를 더 잘 안다.그에 따르면 기사와 토크 페이지가 보호되면 다른 페이지로 이동하게 되는데, 이는 사실이다.모든 IP는 콜롬비아에서 왔는데, 모두 보고타에서 온 것인지 모르겠다.알렉스는 나에게 기사를 보호하는 대신 그것들을 막는 것을 선호한다고 말했지만, 그들이 정적이 아닌 1년 동안 그것들을 막는 것은 특히 신인들에게 좋은 움직임은 아니다.나는 이 사람이면 충분하다고 믿는다.이곳이 놀이 공간인 것처럼 6년을 하는 것은 미숙하고 유치한 태도 이상의 것을 의미한다.범위를 차단할 수 있는가(큰 것으로 알고 있다), 아니면 기사나 토크 페이지 보호에 나설 수 있는가.그리고 공식적으로 위키백과에서 이 사람을 금지시킨다고?트보치.문법적으로 틀리십니까?정답!약관을 참조하십시오.2013년 3월 23일(UTC) 18:00[응답]

이 사람이 아는 이름이 있니?AutomaticStrikeout(T C AAPT) 20:12, 2013년 3월 23일(UTC)[응답]
나는 이 견과류가 메델린 지역에서 유래되었다고 믿는다.그는 거의 7년(2006년 7월 첫 공공 기물 파손) 동안 무작위, 때로는 나체 또는 다른 NSFW에 사진을 추가하는 기사를 파괴해 왔다.나는 그가 다른 양말 같은 것을 쉽게 가지고 올 수 있기 때문에 금지가 어떻게 작용할지 모르겠다.나는 이제 그를 시야에서 차단한다.보통 24시간/31시간부터 시작해서그는 콜롬비아에서 집(케이블 모뎀)에서만 IP를 사용하고, 학교 IP를 시도했고, 지금은 차단되지 않은 IP를 발견하면 휴대전화 IP를 사용하고 있다.기사가 반보호를 받자 그는 기사의 토크 페이지에도 똑같이 하기 시작했다.나는 그의 문제가 무엇인지 전혀 모르겠다.지역사회가 어떤 결정을 내리든 나는 괜찮다.솔직히 나는 거의 7년 동안 아무것도 건설적인 것을 보지 못하는 내 감시 목록에 이 기사가 있는 것이 조금 지겨워지고 있다.그 이름에 대해서는 알려지지 않았다.항상 IP, 동일한 MO. -- Alexf(talk) 20:18, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
내가 찾은 한, 그가 사용한 첫 번째 계정은 Macalla(대화 · 기여)이다(계정 이름이 페이지에서 제거되었기 때문에 보이지 않지만, 이름이 없고, 모든 계정은 빨간색이며 SPI가 없다(기본적으로 수정되지 않음).[98], [99] [100] [101].아마도 "AN/TPS 반달"이 그를 지칭하는 적절한 방법일 것이다.트보치.문법적으로 틀리십니까?정답!약관을 참조하십시오.2013년 3월 23일 20:24(UTC)[응답하라]

Macalla 또는 "AN/TPS 반달"로 알려진 편집기에 대한 사이트 금지

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

위의 논의에 따라, 이것은 문제의 편집자가 완전한 공동체 금지 조치를 받았는지를 판단하기 위한 것이다.AutomaticStrikeout (T C AAPT) 20:42, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 지지 - 공원에서 고전적인 말벌.마셀라는 대학 생활을 하지 못했고 그의 공공 기물 파손 행위는 믿을 수 없을 정도로 파괴적이다.그만해, Sjones23 경 (대화 - 기고) 2013년 3월 23일 21:00 (UTC)[답답답]
  • 편집자에 대한 사이트 금지, 페이지에 대한 1년 반 보호.이는 그가 좌절감에 빠져 포기할 가능성을 극대화한다. 그의 IP 중 일부는 어디에서도 작동하지 않을 것이고, 모든 IP는 그가 좋아하는 목표물에 대해 작동하지 않을 것이다. --Guy Macon (대화) 21:22, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 6년 동안의 지지도가 이 편집자에게 뭔가 좋지 않은 것을 암시한다.루케노94 (루크에게 여기서 나가라고 말해) 2013년 3월 23일 21시 40분 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 가 어디에 서 있는지 확실히 하기 위해 지원하라.반보호를 받는 한 해에도 동의하라.AutomaticStrikeout (T C AAPT) 21:42, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 충분히 지원하십시오.트보치.문법적으로 틀리십니까?정답!약관을 참고하십시오. 2013년 3월 23일 21:53, (UTC)[응답]
  • Rich Farmbrough, 05:06, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC) 지원.[답답하다]
  • 지원 편집자는 현재 한동안 중단적인 편집을 수행하고 있다.TBrandley 05:44, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]


위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

레전드 크리처 기사 관련하여 좀 더 경험이 많은 편집자와 관리자의 도움이 필요하다.

내가 아는 바로는 다음과 같은 사안이다.

레전드 크리쳐라는 기사는 논란이 되고 있는 문장을 가지고 있으며, 이 문제에 대해 심각한 편집 전쟁이 있었다.단순히 앞뒤로 편집만 하는 것 외에 아무것도 하지 않는 임의의 IP를 모두 확인해 보십시오.나는 판결에 대한 참고자료와 출처를 제공함으로써 분쟁을 해결하려고 노력했고, 이미 두 번이나 (그보다 훨씬 더 많이 번복되었다) 토크 페이지 토론을 열어 문제를 해결하려 했다.그렇다 하더라도 지금 이 순간에도 편집전은 계속되고 있다.경험이 풍부한 편집자와 관리자가 도움을 줄 수 있는가?내가 잘못한 것이 있거나 이 시점에서 분쟁 해결에 도움이 되기 위해 무엇을 더 해야 하는지 알려줘.이 물건은 반보호가 필요한가?난 여기서 어디로 가야 할까?또한, 이것을 임의의 IP로 통지하거나, 실제 사용자들에게만 통지할 것인가("{{subst:ANI-notice}")?고마워요.먼저 가서 관련 이용자에게 알리려 하지만 IP에도 알리려면 그렇게 할 수 있다.--JasonMacker (토크) 23:03, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

참고 사항만 있으면 IP에 알리십시오.그러나 행동관리자에게, 짐보가 PC를 이 페이지에 올리지 않는 모든 것을 사랑해주기 바란다:) 그윅와이어이야기를 나누다editing 2013년 3월 23일 23시 15분(UTC)[응답하라]
좋아, 그럼 전부 다 알려줄게.고마워.--JasonMacker (대화) 23:19, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

아, 그리고 기사 자체가 여기서부터 간접적으로 연결되어 있다.이 랜덤 IP가 많이 나오는 곳인 것 같다.--JasonMacker (talk) 23:37, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

반보호 요청을 추가했다. --JasonMacker (대화) 00:44, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

불행하게도 여기서 문제는 JM이 확실히 고압적인 버전의 기사를 옹호하고 있다는 것이다; JM이 외부의 관심을 끄는 것은 놀랄 일이 아니다.그래, 그들은 편집 전쟁을 하면 안 되지만, 그도 그럴 것이다.망고 (대화) 03:25, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
난 아무것도 "방어"하지 않을 거야.나는 그 기사의 정보에 대한 출처와 참고자료를 제공함으로써 기사에 기여하려고 한다.유감스럽게도, 해당 기사는 삭제 중인 텍스트가 제공된 출처에서 간접적으로 나온다는 사실을 무시하고 있는 IP 사용자들에 의해 반복적으로 파괴되고 있다.이 일은 몇 시간째 계속되고 있으며, 나는 토크 페이지를 통해 분쟁을 해결하기 위해 최선을 다했고, 여기서 문제를 제기하고, 신화 위키피디아 주제의 관심을 끌기 위해 노력하고, 반단독화를 요청하고 있다.참고자료에 대한 반대는 모욕적이라고 말하는 것에서부터 제공된 참고자료에 동의하지 않는다고 말하는 것까지 다양하다.위키백과에서 소싱된 정보를 삭제하기에는 충분한 이유가 되지 않는다.--JasonMacker (대화) 03:52, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
난 이게 여기 있는지 확실하지 않아, 적어도 아직은.그것은 JM과 적어도 한 명의 다른 편집자가 신들(제우스와 같은 나이든 신들뿐만 아니라 지금 신들(신이나 알라 같은 신들, 그리고 제우스와 같은 나이든 신들 포함)을 포함하기를 원한다는 점에서 NPOV 문제인데, 다른 사람들은 그것이 불쾌하다고 생각하기 때문에 그렇게 하지 않는다.이로써 WP는 다음과 같이 되었다.기사에서 유니콘을 제거하는 등의 포인티드.그것은 받아들일 수 없지만 나는 그 문제가 먼저 NOVN에서 해결될 필요가 있다고 생각한다.내가 거기서 키울게.더그웰러 (대화) 06:29, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 JM에 의한 적절한 추가가 아니다. 어떤 많은 이유 때문에라도, 그들이 더 이상 어떤 인용문도 찾을 수 없다는 것이다.야구 벅스 당근→07:08, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
내가 그 문장에 대해 세 가지 참고자료를 주는 부분만 빼면, 그 중 하나는 신들을 신화적 존재라고 직접적으로 언급한다.어쨌든, 나는 WP에 있지 않다.ANI는 콘텐츠를 토론하기 위해 ANI를 이용하되, 소싱된 콘텐츠를 삭제하는 모든 랜덤 IP 편집기를 계속해서 처리하는 데 있어 경험이 풍부한 편집자와 관리자의 도움을 받기 위해.--JasonMacker (대화) 09:03, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 언급들을 살펴보기 시작했는데, 지금까지 나는 그들이 당신이 그들에게 말하려고 하는 요점을 설명하지 못한다는 것을 발견했다.그러나 그것은 내용상의 논쟁이므로 여기서 논의되어서는 안 된다.행동 문제는 IP 편집자와 당신 사이의 편집 전쟁과 당신에게 유리한 플레이 필드를 기울이기 위해 당신이 호출한 보호뿐이다.어떤 경우든 IP들 간의 POINT-Y 싸움을 다루지 않고도 이 문제를 해결할 수 있어서 나도 기쁘다.망고 (대화) 11시 48분, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
어느 한쪽에 유리하게 기울어지는 전투가 아니다.위키피디아는 전쟁터가 아니다.IP의 문제는 20개가 넘는데, 모두 토크 페이지의 토론에 기여하지 않고 소싱된 정보를 되돌린다는 것이다.어떻게 그들이 하고 있는 일에 대해 어떠한 정당성도 주지 않는 이름 없는 IP들과 협력할 수 있을까?--JasonMacker (대화) 19:45, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답하라]
아니, 나는 그들을 가두는 것에 전적으로 동의해.망고 (토크) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 21:19[응답]

전설의 생물

위키피디아에는 다음과 같은 요청이 있다.페이지 보호를 요청했지만,사이에 레전드 생물은 이 레드딧 실 때문에 망치로 두들겨 맞고 있다.최근 이틀 동안 108건, 전년도 103건.긴급한 단기 반보호 조치를 취해 주시겠습니까? --Guy Macon (대화) 07:56, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

당신이 그것을 봤을지는 확실하지 않지만, 여기 위에 8에 대한 같은 주제에 대한 실이 있다.공식적으로, 온도-세미(temp-semi)에 동의하는 것이 좋을 것이다.스탈루트111 08:36, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
WP에는 실제로 다음과 같은 두 가지 요청이 있다.레전드 생물과 관련된 RFP.많은 사람들이 공공 기물 파손에 대해 알아챈 것 같다.스탈루트111 08:39, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
아, 그거 놓쳤어IP 편집 전쟁 중에 합법적인 콘텐츠 분쟁이 있는 것 같아.흠. 우리는 파괴적인 IP를 분류하고 그것들만을 차단하려고 하는가?아니면 좋은 IP를 등록하도록 요구하는 것은 괜찮은가?그들은 Reddit에서 오고 있고, Reddit은 당신이 글을 올리기 전에 사용자 이름을 등록하게 한다(이메일 확인은 필요없음). 그래서 그것은 그들에게 친숙한 개념이 될 것이다. --Guy Macon (대화) 09:04, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
보류 중인 변경사항 보호됨(레벨 1)-'d.난 아직 관리자에 불과해, 이것이 도전받고/또는 어떤 식으로든 바뀐다면 더 행복해.---셔츠58 (토크) 09:22, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
내 생각엔 좋은 결정인 것 같아.RFPP에서 참고하길 원할 수도 있다.Stewart111 09:47, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
이봐, IP가 계정을 등록하도록 요구할 수는 없을 것 같아.보류 중인 변화가 최선의 해결책인 것 같아, 생각해 봤으면 좋았을 텐데.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 10:24 [응답]
나는 그것이 좋은 해결책이라는 것에 동의한다.
그렇다면, 내일을 보고 IP에 의한 편집 전쟁이 많이 일어난다면, IP를 보고해야 하는가, 아니면 편집을 승인한 검토자 권한이 있는 사용자를 보고해야 하는가?컨텐츠 분쟁을 겪고 있는 두 명의 검토자가 각자 동의하는 IP 편집을 승인하는 것을 상상할 수 있다. --Guy Macon (토크) 10:37, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
그래서 NPOVN에 가져갔지내 생각에 RfC도 다른 선택인 것 같아.나는 이것이 토크페이지에서 해결되는 것을 볼 수 없어서 완전한 보호는 단지 논쟁을 연기한다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 10:47[응답]
나는 기사 리드를 수정했다.'레전드'는 삶에 대한 이야기를 필요로 하며, 신에 대한 이야기는 실제로 삶을 지향하는 것이 아니다.대부분의 생물들은 인간이 아닌 동물들이다.사람에게 「창작」을 적용할 때, 「조소·연민·내성」[102]의 용어로 사용하는 경우가 많아, 「전설」의 사용과 다소 상충된다.나는 기사 토크 페이지에서 새로운 리드 문장을 설명했다.TheRedPenOfDoom도 그 빨간 펜을 사용하여 기사에서 여분의 재료를 제거한다. -- Jrefree (talk) 13:50, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

전설의 생물

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

위키피디아에는 다음과 같은 요청이 있다.페이지 보호를 요청했지만,사이에 레전드 생물은 이 레드딧 실 때문에 망치로 두들겨 맞고 있다.최근 이틀 동안 108건, 전년도 103건.긴급한 단기 반보호 조치를 취해 주시겠습니까? --Guy Macon (대화) 07:56, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

위의 원래 논의로 병합됨.
당신이 그것을 봤을지는 확실하지 않지만, 여기 위에 8에 대한 같은 주제에 대한 실이 있다.공식적으로, 온도-세미(temp-semi)에 동의하는 것이 좋을 것이다.스탈루트111 08:36, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
WP에는 실제로 다음과 같은 두 가지 요청이 있다.레전드 생물과 관련된 RFP.많은 사람들이 공공 기물 파손에 대해 알아챈 것 같다.스탈루트111 08:39, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
아, 그거 놓쳤어IP 편집 전쟁 중에 합법적인 콘텐츠 분쟁이 있는 것 같아.흠. 우리는 파괴적인 IP를 분류하고 그것들만을 차단하려고 하는가?아니면 좋은 IP를 등록하도록 요구하는 것은 괜찮은가?그들은 Reddit에서 오고 있고, Reddit은 당신이 글을 올리기 전에 사용자 이름을 등록하게 한다(이메일 확인은 필요없음). 그래서 그것은 그들에게 친숙한 개념이 될 것이다. --Guy Macon (대화) 09:04, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
보류 중인 변경사항 보호됨(레벨 1)-'d.난 아직 관리자에 불과해, 이것이 도전받고/또는 어떤 식으로든 바뀐다면 더 행복해.---셔츠58 (토크) 09:22, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
내 생각엔 좋은 결정인 것 같아.RFPP에서 참고하길 원할 수도 있다.Stewart111 09:47, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
이봐, IP가 계정을 등록하도록 요구할 수는 없을 것 같아.보류 중인 변화가 최선의 해결책인 것 같아, 생각해 봤으면 좋았을 텐데.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 10:24 [응답]
나는 그것이 좋은 해결책이라는 것에 동의한다.
그렇다면, 내일을 보고 IP에 의한 편집 전쟁이 많이 일어난다면, IP를 보고해야 하는가, 아니면 편집을 승인한 검토자 권한이 있는 사용자를 보고해야 하는가?컨텐츠 분쟁을 겪고 있는 두 명의 검토자가 각자 동의하는 IP 편집을 승인하는 것을 상상할 수 있다. --Guy Macon (토크) 10:37, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
그래서 NPOVN에 가져갔지내 생각에 RfC도 다른 선택인 것 같아.나는 이것이 토크페이지에서 해결되는 것을 볼 수 없어서 완전한 보호는 단지 논쟁을 연기한다.더그웰러 (대화) 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC) 10:47[응답]
나는 기사 리드를 수정했다.'레전드'는 삶에 대한 이야기를 필요로 하며, 신에 대한 이야기는 실제로 삶을 지향하는 것이 아니다.대부분의 생물들은 인간이 아닌 동물들이다.사람에게 「창작」을 적용할 때, 「조소·연민·내성」[103]의 용어로 사용하는 경우가 많아, 「전설」의 사용과 다소 상충된다.나는 기사 토크 페이지에서 새로운 리드 문장을 설명했다.TheRedPenOfDoom도 그 빨간 펜을 사용하여 기사에서 여분의 재료를 제거한다. -- Jrefree (talk) 13:50, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자에 의한 비침습성, 인신공격 및 편집-전쟁:카반

카반(토크 · 기고)은 터키에서 원시주의 POV를 밀어붙이며 미개한 행동과 편집 전쟁을 벌여왔다.그는 나에게 읽는 법을 배우라고 말했고, 를 바보라고 불렀고, 나를 POV 푸셔라고 불렀다.내가 그에게 인신공격[104]을 그만두라고 경고한 후, 그는 신석기 시대의 뜻을 배우라고 말했다.그는 또한 [105] [106] 편집전을 하고 있다.관리자가 이 개인에게 인신공격으로 그것을 때려눕히고 예의 바르게 행동하도록 경고할 수 있는가?어떤 도움이라도 감사할 것이다.그러한 행동에 직면하여 계속 논의하기는 매우 어렵다.아테나 (대화) 23:44, 2013년 3월 23일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 내가 아테나 등의 행동 후에 낙담하고 좌절했다는 것을 인정해야 한다.Talk의 합의를 쉽게 수용한 후:터키 주민을 선두로 한 터키#RfC는 2차 토크에서 설명한 바와 같이, 나는 또 다른 비예상적 관련 변화를 만들어냈다.터키#RfC2.
또한 나를 되돌린 다른 사용자[107]가 기사 전체를 다른 페이지[108]되돌리기 위해 나를 따라 다른 기사[108]로 이동했으며(아직 위키호킹인지 확실하지 않다) 및 사용자:AthetneanWP를 능가하는 것으로 보이는 국수주의적인 (헬레니즘) POV를 가지고 있는 것 같다.다양한 터키 관련 기사의 NPOV.예를 들어, 이번 최근의 편집[109]에서는, 2차 소스 (p. 264)[110]가 90%를 나타내고(그리고 ref text로 페이지 번호를 제공하는 것!까지!)를 나타내면서, 원래의 정보가 정확했음에도 불구하고, 상위 경계를 75%로 낮췄다.우리가 선의로 행동해야 한다는 것을 알지만, 이 사소한 변화가[111]로 되돌아간 것을 보면,나는그것과 씨름하고 있다.카반 (대화) 00:11, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
사용자:아테네안도 자신의 사소한 국수주의 POV를 나에게 투영하고 있는 것 같다[112], 나는 좀 더 정확하게 [113] 카반 (토크) 00:29, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
여기서 의제를 추진하는 유일한 사람은 "우리-터키인들이 초기부터 아나톨리아에 살고 있다"는 원시주의자와 함께 하는 당신이다.<그것과 당신의 계속되는 불친절함이 당신이 제재를 받아야 하는 이유들이다.아테나 (대화) 00:34, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 여기서 [114][115]에 대답하였다.는 당신이 역사적 비극적인 문제에 관심이 있다는 것을 알고 있지만, 당신이 추구하는 것처럼 보이는 이 민족주의적인 BS에서 나를 멀리한다.카반 (대화) 00:42, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
관리자 주의 사항:사용자:아테네아니스에서 신뢰할 수 있는 소스 삭제[117]캐번(토크) 00:44, 2013년 3월 24일(UTC)[응답]
  • @카반.나의 복귀는 Athetnean과 내가 CMD의 표현을 지지하기로 동의한 터키의 TP의 합의에 따른 것이었다.무엇보다 고대 아나톨리아인들의 링크가 터키의 TP에 직접 제공되었을 때 나를 "위키호킹"이라고 비난하지 말아줘.나는 단지 그 기사를 보고 2010년 이후 출처가 없어 자급자족하지 못했다.만약 네가 먼저 가서 소스를 추가하고 싶다면, 나는 괜찮다.결국, 그 기사는 이제 더 좋아졌다.자랑볼사혜 (토크) 00:51, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
당신의 출처는 믿을 수 없다.쿠르드족이 터키의 푸울링의 6.76%에 불과하다고 주장하는 터키 민족주의자들 무리인데, 이는 명백히 우스꽝스럽고 이 인구(쿠르드족에게 주어진 출처당 15~25%)의 다른 알려진 추정치들과 충돌하는 것이다.누가 지금 사소한 국수주의 의제를 밀어붙이고 있는가?아테나 (대화) 00:47, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 소스를 추가하지 않았다.나는 단지 WP를 따를 뿐이다.믿을 수 있는 출처.이런, 말도 안 돼카반 (대화) 00:49, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
그는 편집-전쟁[118][119]을 계속하고 있다.누가 좀 막아줄래? 놈은 멈출 기미가 전혀 없어아테나 (대화) 00:51, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
캐번과는 달리 이곳이나 어디에서도 인신공격은 하지 않았다.나는 그렇게 해석될 수 있는 나의 한 진술을 철회했다.아테나 (대화) 00:55, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
이 섹션에 대한 당신의 공개적인 논평은 그가 "원초론자 POV를 밀어부친다"고 비난하고 있다.그 표현은 인신공격이다. --BrownHairdGirl (토크) (기증) 2013년 3월 25일 03:00 (UTC)[응답]

사용자:Viriditas

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

비리다타스는 나에 대해 사실적으로 부정확하고 미개한 말을 했다.

"메밀스는 1) 믿을 만한 출처를 더하고 2) 지금쯤 말 그대로 다른 편집자들을 백번 공격한다는 경고를 받았다.비리디타스" diff

나는 이렇게 대답했다.

"비리다타스, "말 그대로 백 번"은 거짓이다.나는 그것이 미개한 인신공격이라고 생각한다.즉시 철회하십시오.memills" diff

그녀는 그렇게 하지 않았고, 그래서 나는 다시 물었다. "또 한 번, 거짓말로 나를 공격하지 말고, 이전의 진술을 철회하라.만약 당신이 그것을 철회하지 않는다면, 나는 공식적인 항의를 시작할 것이다.memills" diff

이 문제를 비공식적으로 다루는 대신, 그녀의 대답은 다음과 같았다.

"즉시 정식 고소하십시오." diff

나는 Viriditas에게 동료 WP 편집자들을 참여시켜 분쟁을 좀 더 시민적으로 해결하고 다른 편집자들에 대한 명백한 허위 진술을 철회하라는 경고를 줄 것을 요청한다.메밀 (대화) 03:32, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 그 말의 의미에 대한 끔찍한 혼란에 우리를 움츠리게 할 수도 있는 만큼, "사실상" (혹은 비슷한 것)이 의미될 때 "말 그대로"를 사용하는 것은 인신공격은 아니다. - 부시레인저 03:38, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
    • OTH, "문학적으로"라는 단어는 문자 그대로, 음...말 그대로특히 한번 지적되면 더욱 그렇다.비리디타스가 말 그대로 좀 물러나는 게 쉬웠을 텐데...비유적으로라도그렇게 하는 것을 거부하는 것은 그 비열함이 명백해지는 부분이다.메밀 (대화) 03:52, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
  • <갈등 편집>참고: 남성의 권리 운동보호관찰 조항이다.메밀스(대화·출연자)는 이를 알고, 보호관찰 조건을 어겼다는 이유로 여러 차례 경고와 두 차례 제재를 받았다가 제재 일지를 본다.이러한 Memills는 계속해서 다른 편집자들을 "반-MRM 순찰 임무 부대"라고 부르고 도움이 되지 않고 특정되지 않은 논평에 대한 기사 토크 페이지를 사용한다. Talk:남성 인권 운동#이데올로기적 간섭을 가장 최근의 예로 들 수 있다.비리디타스는 '말 그대로 백 번'이라고 말한 것이 잘못됐을 수도 있지만 확실히 많은 것 같은 느낌이 든다. --소니시 86 (대화) 04:04, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
    • "반-MRM 순찰 임무"는 문자 그대로 취해진 것이 아니다.위와 같은 것은 비리다타스의 문자 그대로(또는 그것들의 결여)에 관한 여기의 문제와도 관련이 없다.메밀 (대화) 04:40, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
      • "말 그대로"의 기발한 사용에 대해 불평하는 것은 어리석은 짓이다.그냥 "과대 그만하라고 백만 번을 말했잖아!"라는 옛 격언만 전해줘라. ★베이스볼 버그스카로틱스What's up, Doc?→04:55, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답하라]
        • 구글 검색은 "2"라는 단어를 보여준다.무언가가 문자 그대로 사실이 아니라 강조하거나 강한 감정을 표현하기 위해 사용된다는 것을 인정하기 위해 사용된다."나는 이것이 약간 지나친 반응이며 미개한 행동이나 행동으로 보이지 않는다고 생각한다.나는 왜 OP가 이제 그 성명이 왜 시작되었는지를 조사하려고 하지 않는지 궁금하다.--Amadcientist (talk) 05:22, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
          • 나는 200%가 야구 벅스와 Amadcientist가 말한 것을 지지한다.메밀스, 말 그대로 빨대를 움켜쥐고 있다. --셔츠58 (토크) 09:59, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 일반적으로 말해서, 관련된 편집자의 행동은 분쟁이 발생할 때, 특히 불만을 제기하는 편집자의 행동을 면밀히 조사할 것이다.만약 이것이 불만이나 더 나은 것을 가져오지 않는다면, 세밀히 조사받고 싶지 않은 행동을 보이지 마라.확실히, 많은 수의 부메랑들이 증명하듯이, 당신의 행동이 관련이 없다고 말하는 것은 거의 효과적이지 않다.닐 아인(대화) 14:20, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 비리디타스는 공식적인 항의를 요청했다, diff.합리적인 대응은 관리자가 Viriditas에게 경고를 발하는 것이다.비침착 (대화) 02:34, 2013년 3월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 나는 또한 산타클로스에게 개인 우주선을 요청했어.북극의 반응을 기대하는 것이 타당한가?말 그대로 너무 많이 먹은 것 같네비리다타스 (대화) 02:48, 2013년 3월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 우리가 아는 것은 당신이 경고를 받는 것에 대해 걱정하지 않는다는 것이다. 그래서 당신이 OP를 미끼로 삼은 것이다.미완성 (대화) 04:28, 2013년 3월 25일 (UTC)[응답]

누가 송어 가지고 있어?Rich Farmbrough, 04:41, 2013년 3월 25일 (UTC)
[답글]

위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

가치보다 더 큰 문제?

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

여기 편집된 내용을 누가 설명해 주시겠습니까?때로는 괜찮게 보일 때도 있지만, 때로는 명백한 허튼소리[120]를 포함하고 있다.공유 IP의 경우인가?토카타 콰르타 (토크) 03:53, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

결국 공유 IP라고 생각한다.에 따르면 IP는 슬로바키아 브라티슬라바에서 온 것으로 보인다.그는 2월에 Krzystof Pendérecki 기사에 이 터무니없는 편집을 추가한 것은 말할 것도 없다.Sjones23 경 (토크 - 기여) 03:55, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 이 토론이 완전히 종결될 필요가 있다고 믿는다.TBrandley 04:09, 2013년 3월 25일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

사용자:자오위시옹

우리가 청소하는 동안 24시간 동안 이 사용자를 막았다.그는 기계로 번역된 텍스트로 보이는 것을 이용해 중국 토픽에 대한 수십 개의 기사를 만들어내고 있으며, 그 중 일부는 홍보용이고, 자신의 토크 페이지에는 휴식을 취하라는 메시지를 무시해 왔다.내 의심은 그가 User와 어떤 식으로 연결되어 있다는 것이다.재규어. 내가 너무 벼락맞았다고 생각하는 사람이 없었으면 좋겠어.Deb (토크) 09:32, 2013년 3월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

I went and nuked the rest of his contributions as just generally terrible - probably machine translated, barely comprehensible at best, no sources, etc. He has an account and a block log on the Chinese Wikipedia, but I can't read it. Perhaps that will be enlightening. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And then I went and rescued another that you had saved, Deb - sorry about that. I have asked a Chinese speaker, and apparently Zhao was blocked on the Chinese Wikipedia for uploading copyright violations, which makes his contributions here even more suspect. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a case for a permanent block, do we think? Deb (talk) 10:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Permanent, no. Indefinite, yes. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 04:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have revert 2 many times

Feeding time is over Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

oops, i reverted too many times on WP:rd/m but i can't be bothered to make a report because i don't want to be blocked but i admit i did it. sorry.--There goes the internet (talk) 02:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

awesome. I was just about to go here and bring up this guy's edits... but now the trolls are reporting themselves... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 03:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
rude.--There goes the internet (talk) 04:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just truthful. I suggest you stop with that bullshit. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 04:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your suggestions are deeply valued.--There goes the internet (talk) 04:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Now — what's the purpose of this report? Are you asking for a block for yourself? Or would you rather start a discussion on your permanent site ban? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{trout}} to all involved. User whose name I can't ever pronounce or spell (no offense), WP:AGF. This person came here saying they passed 3RR, they're sorry, they won't continue, and they understand they were wrong. The other user (TGTI), just watch your reverts a little more closely next time. No reason to yell at each other. gwickwiretalkediting 04:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do your research before you speak. This guy is WP:NOTHERE. (And who is yelling?) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 04:29, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then say that, and provide diffs. Don't just say "trolls" and other things without proof. That's really mean of you, in all honesty. If you have a problem with his revert war, say so. If you have a problem with his overall behavior, provide diffs and explain it. Don't tell us to "do [our] research", the page specifically says you must provide the research. gwickwiretalkediting 04:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The person was obviously trolling here and in their questions at the reference desks. Your intervention here was clueless. You didn't recognize a regular. Mathsci (talk) 04:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wasnt trolling, i Just didnt wanted to be block, so i reported myself so admins coudl see i was sorry.--There goes the internet (talk) 04:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What he was really trying to say was that he was a block-evading sock that no one had caught onto yet. That problem is now fixed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting block of User talk:82.227.98.3

I am requesting a block of User talk:82.227.98.3. They have repeated the exact same disproven, unreferenced edits time and again for the Sonny Bill Williams article as shown in their contributions. I have repeatedly warned them and provided evidence against their edits, in a calm manner, yet they seem intent on not discussing and continuing upon their path.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since you didn't notify the user of this discussion, I'll do so for you.
Also, the user does reply here; granted, that was a week ago. I'll issue a final warning. m.o.p 05:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello m.o.p. Actually i did notify the user with the relevant ANI-notice. So i am not sure why you say i didn't. Also, the user gave only 1 reply in the numerous times i contacted them. Even then their reply made no use of references and was full of opinionated ramblings.Suid-Afrikaanse (talk) 06:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:81.149.185.174, 213.120.148.60 and others

I wish to report issues with an individual who posts from a number of IP addresses, including...

If you look at the revision history for Talk:United Kingdom local elections, 2013, you can see how most of these are clearly the same person. Other revision histories fill in the other addresses.

Said user is focused on UK political articles and the UK Independence Party (UKIP). S/he generally favours more coverage and more positive coverage of UKIP and is often involved in disputed edits and in long discussions over disputed edits. There are possible issues here with respect to WP:BIAS, WP:RS and WP:OR. (One of the shorter examples would be at Mid Ulster by-election, 2013: take a look at edits from 23-5 February 2013 and Talk:Mid_Ulster_by-election,_2013#UKIP_Press_Release. Long, long examples are at Talk:United Kingdom local elections, 2013, Talk:Next United Kingdom general election, Talk:Eastleigh by-election, 2013, Talk:Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election (archive) and Talk:UK Independence Party.) I and other editors have sought to work through these, and some of this individual's edits are constructive and are kept.

Most concerning are the repeated violations of WP:AGF. Some recent examples: [122], [123], [124], [125], [126], [127], [128], [129], [130], [131], [132], [133]

Again, I and other editors have sought to tackle this through dialogue, but it keeps happening again and again. I have also suggested at Talk:United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2013#Semi-protection that semi-protection may be appropriate for that article.

Said user has been active here on this noticeboard twice before: most recently at [134] and there was an earlier case that I can't find right now.

Several weeks back, an editor with a similar modus operandi and topic interest was banned for sockpuppetry: see User:Nick Dancer/User:Sheffno1gunner and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sheffno1gunner/Archive. I am uncertain whether this anonymous editor is connected or not. Bondegezou (talk) 10:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There was also this from some months back: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive776#Possible_legal_threats_on_Talk:_Rotherham_by-election.2C_2012. Bondegezou (talk) 10:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bondegezou I have engaged in constructive discussions. I have argued my case to those that don't flatly refuse to engage in dialogue, to your credit you are one of those people. However there are editors who simply choose to edit war and say No No No, instead of giving an explanation as to why, they also will not listen to a well reasoned argument!

I have been an IP editor on Wikipedia that has realised that there is a need to try and redress the balance here! I am not the only one Bondegezou has mentioned others. A number of us have been incredibly concerned at how sources have been used selectively to put across a particular narrative (for whatever reason)! This can be seen in earlier versions of articles such as UK Independence Party, many people agreed that this was not a neutrally written article. Subsequently the entire policy section has had to be removed because neutral and reliable 3rd party sources were not available, this lead to editors putting across a certain narrative. All many of us want is Wikipedia to be neutral and to reflect reality. In many cases it hasn't in the past but it has improved thanks to pressure through constructive discussions from myself and others.

It is no secret that a number of regular editors to the politics section are of a Liberal Democrat persuasion (and that's fine but it does sometimes skew the narrative of articles and judgements of editors). Some examples of this are doktorbuk who admits that they are a "card carrying member" of the Liberal Democrats on their user page, he's even used phrases like "we must defeat the UKIP IPs" and "But we need to close the UKIP loophole". Bondegezou admits an interest in "politics, particularly in the UK and issues concerning the Liberal Democrats". Emeraude lists one of his interests as "Politics - particularly anti-fascism, elections", for some unknown reason Emeraude seems to have the impression that there are elements of fascism in UKIP, given his narrative (This type of victimization and slurs by the way is one reason why a number of us don't have logons and want a bit more anonymity). Now I have absolutely no problem what so ever with the personal views of these 3 editors, that's non of my business but they do spend a lot of time editing this section and it does seem that they are in charge of the final outcomes of almost all discussions. It also seems that the Wikipedia politics section is at least a good year behind reflecting reality based on evidence.

It is important to note that when I have raised a discussion and the issue has been properly debated, I have accepted the outcome! For this reason I have created no need for protection of any Wikipedia articles! All I (and others) are trying to do is address the balance here! Until that balance is struck, more editors other than myself will come along. I really don't see what is wrong with my argument on United Kingdom local elections, 2013! Perhaps that's why Bondegezou has pointed readers of this discussion in the direction of shorter conversations where there is less detail discussed!

I want to get on with other editors but many of us feel like there is a constant battle on Wikipedia to try and redress the balance. We are categorically not trying to promote UKIP! We just want a greater reflection of reality, not to have the party talked up or down! 213.120.148.60 (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC) (and 1 or 2 other IPs - not all of the above)[reply]

I have informed doktorbuk and Emeraude of this discussion at their Talk pages.
213.120.148.60, could you clarify which IPs you are and are not. All those listed above appeared to me to be you. Bondegezou (talk) 11:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see I am being misrepresented again! At various times I have been accused by these IPs (or this one person - who knows) of a wide range of things - bias, beign a card-carrying Lib Dem, selective citing etc etc. Some of these accusations have gone beyond the bounds of regular protocol well into the area of personal attack. Each time I have asked for an indication of where I have been biased, or selective, or whatever, but never receive an answer, because there isn't one quite frankly. Now, out of the blue, we read that "Emeraude lists one of his interests as "Politics - particularly anti-fascism, elections", for some unknown reason Emeraude seems to have the impression that there are elements of fascism in UKIP, given his narrative (This type of victimization and slurs....." Now, I don't have to explain to anyone why I am interested in things (I also list on my user page Aviation, Education and Law) but seeing as it's been raised it stems from having a degree in political science and having done postgrad work on hwo minor parties, particularly of the right, perform in elections. Nothing sinister at all. And I would like to know how this anon IP is able to state that I "have the impression that there are elements of fascism in UKIP, given his narrative"? What narrative? (And, as it happens, BNP members/supporters did attempt to use UKIP in the past, which is precisely why UKIP now specifically bans them from membership.) (S)he then accuses me of "victimization and slurs", but will not say when I have victimised anyone or made any slurs. But what do you expect from people who vandalise my user page to say that I am "engaging in bigotry"?!
The sad fact is that this person or these people have come to Wikipedia with the express purpose of using it as a publicity vehicle for UKIP. I've no objection to UKIP members/supporters editing UKIP related articles on Wikipedia, but their edits must be like everyone else's: relevant, encyclopaedic, verifiable, sourced etc. I've not seen such timewasting behaviour and personal attacks on the integrity of editors since we got shot of Lucy-marie for very similar behaviour. Come to think of it, wasn't she a UKIP supporter too? Emeraude (talk) 13:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If I may, the case of vandalism to which Emeraude is referring is this: [135] by 81.149.185.174, which is exactly the sort of problem that led me to bring this case here. Bondegezou (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a serious problem with UK politics articles and the IP editors attracted to them. Inevitably supporters of political parties want to ramp up coverage of their own party, though as a card-carrying member of a party myself I know better than to try! The current spate of UKIP supporters show little or no attempt to disguise their bias, often changing articles without any regard to building consensus (for example, adding Nigel Farage to a page and THEN going to the talk page to retroactively ask for a discussion). The spate of IP editors from UKIP tend to die down after polling day, as it did last November, so I think semi-locks and temp-bans until June should help reduce the spate of problems we have. doktorbwordsdeeds 09:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. As it the way, there are several interrelated issues here. Some of them are about content (what is the appropriate way to cover UKIP, a minor party but one with increasing support?). Some of them are about election articles that are prone to vandalism/unhelpful editing from multiple sources in the run-up to elections (should United Kingdom local elections, 2013 be semi-protected for a few months?). I'm uncertain where those issues should be discussed (beyond Talk pages), but would dearly welcome some administrator input.
However, my initial reason to bring this to ANI was about conduct. 81.149.185.174/213.120.148.60/217.41.32.3/81.133.12.45 has been warned 6 times about conduct. There are multiple subsequent AGF violations. Several editors have already tried to tackle this with the IP editor. Is some sort of administrator action now appropriate? Bondegezou (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For quite some time I've encountered various UKIP supporters who have clearly been trying to push an agenda, ever since UKIP's popularity has begun to increase. The most glaring example has been on Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election. Bondegezou has also expressed concern about the UKIP bias there, and I have agreed with him. Between Sheffno1, 08aviee, and others, it's difficult to tell who is doing what in these articles. Indeed, it seems as if there is a serious lack of WP:AGF going on, as there are many accusations of those who do not agree with them being members of the Lib Dems, while at the same time they attempt to push a pro-UKIP agenda. I've tried to start a few discussions on the UK Politics Wikiproject, but there hasn't been much of a consensus drawn to the above question that Bondegezou presented: what is the appropriate way to cover UKIP, a minor party but one with increasing support?. It seems there is now a disagreement between the opinion polling page (which lists UKIP) and the main election page (which doesn't list UKIP). Of course, I realise this isn't the venue to discuss this issue, but I felt that it's apt to bring it up: if there is no consensus about how UKIP should be represented, it is inevitable that different editors with different views will edit war.Richard BB 10:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, what I think Richard BB is pointing out is that Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election has a set of tables reporting opinion polling that now include columns for the Conservatives, Labour, LibDems and UKIP. Meanwhile, Next United Kingdom general election and United Kingdom local elections, 2013 have infoboxes that include Conservatives, Labour and the LibDems, but not UKIP. However, I don't actually see that as an inconsistency: what should be in a table reporting opinion polls and what should be in an infobox for a forthcoming election are different questions. You see a mismatch like this for many countries, e.g. what parties are listed in the tables at Opinion polling for the next German federal election and what parties are in the infobox at German federal election, 2013. I actually feel the current balance is right.
That said, I agree with Richard BB's broader point of an unresolved question over how to cover UKIP, and that resolving that question is made more difficult by a history of sockpuppets and lack of WP:AGF. Here is the right venue to discuss the latter issue, of editor conduct. Would it be possible to have some administrator action or advice on how to proceed? Bondegezou (talk) 12:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah right, thanks for clarifying — you're right. – Richard BB 12:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You probably don't want my input given the past but here is is anyhow: My position is as it was before, in that this election is one of a number of tests in that UKIP have not made that electoral breakthrough at Westminster or council level. I still agree with the decision that was made several months ago in that it is not possible to consider adding UKIP to any non-EU election boxes until after this election! Depending on what the result is, we then consider looking at the 2014 local elections info box. That said, the IPs argument is sound (just not sufficient). In my view we ought to consider mentioning UKIP in the article somehow if they do exceed 2,000 candidates or match/exceed the number of Lib Dem candidates! The problem is how etc, in my view the article is best left as it is until we know the results. If you want to semi-protect the article, I guess I have no objections but the restriction should be lifted on election day at 10:00pm i.e. when voting has ended. Sheffno1gunner (talk) 12:39, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if this is the same person or not, but the problems go on: [136]. Bondegezou (talk) 08:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted that as blatant trolling. Blackmane (talk) 09:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind trolling - it is an attack on an editor. I've added the IP to the list at the top of this discussion. Emeraude (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Blackmane. While it's useful to revert individual instances, they keep happening with such regularity that some further action (be that blocking certain IP addresses or semi-protection) seems in order to me.
Thanks, Emeraude. I've appended a note given some uncertainty as to whether this is the same individual or not. Bondegezou (talk) 11:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While I would definitely support semi-protection of the articles (perhaps not the Opinion polling one, as the troubles there are mostly resolved and we regularly get helpful IPs updating it) I think it's against policy to semi-protect a talk page like this, as good faith IPs who wish to suggest genuine changes to the article wouldn't be able to. – Richard BB 11:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I believe that admins are very loth to protect or semi protect talk pages, especially if the article page is protected as the talk page will then be the only place that helpful anon editors can contribute. As far as can be done, attacks by the various IPs can only be dealt with a liberal application of WP:RBI reserved for trolls. Blackmane (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that any Talk pages should be semi-protected, just certain articles (and then just for limited times, say until after the May local elections). Blocking of some IP addresses seems entirely appropriate.
We keep saying we're all in agreement with each other. How do we move from here to administrator action? Bondegezou (talk) 15:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

87.112.181.7 has now reverted Blackmane's reversion. I have removed the material again. 87.112.181.7 is also removing LGBT references from Prahran, Victoria and Talk:Prahran, Victoria, with something of an edit war developing subsequently. I'm not convinced that 87.112.181.7 is the same IP editor as in the initial complaint, but certainly these actions demonstrate the problem with a number of anonymous editors on articles pertaining to UKIP. Bondegezou (talk) 09:42, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a number of the IPs above, I can say categorically that I am not 87.112.181.7 and 130.88.114.111! I can also say that I only appear as 2 of the above IPs! I am not going to tell you which because you are threatening to block! I hope your not proposing to block all the IPs above without knowing who they are whilst accusing them of being the same person! I am also not sheffno1 for the record! Although I have spoken with this editor on another site before, he uses the same logon on other popular site that has a private messaging service.

I notice that Emeraude and the usual suspects have launched a counter attack by sabotaging UKIP's page by adding the following to UKIPs policy section:

In 2011, the British academics Matthew Goodwin, Robert Ford and David Cutts published a study suggesting that xenophobia and dissatisfaction with mainstream parties are important drivers of support for UKIP, along with Euroscepticism. They concluded that "UKIP is well positioned to recruit a broader and more enduring base of support than the BNP and become a significant vehicle of xenophobia and, more specifically, Islamophobia in modern Britain.[1]
It is blindingly clear that this paragraph has nothing to do with UKIP policy! May I suggest that this kind of behavior is taken into account! As I have already highlighted, Emeraude has a thing for anti-facism and this is an example of Emeraude trying to make UKIP appear as fascist by branding them racist and xenophobic and making inferences about their supporters. In this case he has used a "study". This type of behavior is even more deplorable than anything I or any of these other editors have done. I and others have merely tried to seek increased inclusion and coverage of UKIP to catch up with reality (I now accept that certain tests need to be passed before that can happen - we've had that debate, outcome accepted). Whereas Emeraude and others have actively politicized the narrative of articles by picking and choosing their sources! Above is just one of a number of examples! I and others have not changed any narrative or tried to paint UKIP or any other party as something it's not. But It seems some other people are trying to have things both ways! 213.120.148.60 (talk) 15:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may have been misplaced. However, your allegations of Emeraude's actions are inappropriate and also incorrect - there's no mention of fascism in there at all. The study seems perfectly valid to me, I can't tell whether it's reliable or not as it's not my area of expertise, but it seems fairly OK. Picking and choosing sources? Probably to only use those that satisfy WP:RS. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Lukeno94 but the above text is not appropriate for a POLICY section since it neither lists or elaborates upon any of the party's policies. You clearly have not been to Talk:UK_Independence_Party#Policies and are not aware of Emeraude's edit history. You also seem to be unaware that Xenophobia and Islamophobia are topics that would be of particular interest to someone who states "anti-fascism" as an area of interest. In the UK at least they are often mentioned in the same breath, so this point can not be dismissed in this way. There are 2sides to this issue: This is not merely a case of IP editors wanting to (rightly or wrongly) increase UKIP's coverage but there is a deliberate attempt to sabotage the party and compromise Wikipedia's neutrality! There is a big difference between changing the amount of coverage a party gets on Wikipedia and politicising the narrative of Wikipedia's articles. To my mind it is clear which is the more serious of the 2! 213.120.148.60 (talk) 17:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Um... I thought I agreed that it was in the wrong place? Also, aren't you doing the latter of those two "sins" you list? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, I apologize for missing that your acknowledgment of the info being in the wrong place. Non the less it is not relevant, we do not seek to site studies about voters from other parties do we? I don't see any other articles with studies as to how many Labour voters live in council houses for example, or how many green party voters are vegetarian, how many Lib Dems supported CND, I could go on. The point is that is not the normal sort of thing to put on a political parties page, especially one that is now widely considered a mainstream party! This is just one example of the unbalanced/non-neutral things that have been written on the page. I have not done anything to sway the narrative to a pro-UKIP stance, so no I haven't committed that said "sin"! All I've sought is to examine the way the party is covered and to argue the case of inclusion to the info box. We have since had a debate and I've accepted the outcome. Non the less despite me having accepted that UKIP will not be added to any info boxes until (at the earliest) we know the results of the May elections! That is a fair and reasonable position to take as 2nd May will be UKIPs 1st national test. Non the less Bondegezou will repeatedly talk down the party on the talk page, hence I (and others) will naturally seek to address that balance by pointing out other facts. Bondegezou seems to take this as if I am not accepting the decision which has already been made! I am accepting and not disputing the decision! So lets just be clear about what I am and what I am not saying and doing! 81.149.185.174 (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's a perfectly appropriate place for a peer-reviewed article. It concerns how UKIP policy is seen by supporters. What these IPs want to dois to completely remove something they see as critical of UKIP, their raison d'être throughout.
However, this is all too sily. This discussion was set up (not by me) to look at the appalling behaviour of these anonymous IPs, though it could all be one person. For some reson that I cannot understand (because they refuse to give reason) they have decided to attack me with innuendo, misinformation and lies. All of their efforts amount to personal attacks and failure to assume good faith. We see more examples in the previous comments. They have even sugested - a blatant misrepresentation - that this discussion was set up to examine my actions (Talk:UK Independence Party#Policies on the UKIP talk page: "This issue has now been added to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents .... as it helps to give a sense a sense of balance to that discussion. It serves as an example of how editors such as Emeraude have deliberately politicised the narrative of articles...") I have asked perhaps a dozen times for examples of where I have been less than correct as a Wikipedia editor - answer comes there none. I no longer expect such (and, indeed, it would be impossible for them to provide one). Emeraude (talk) 11:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If I could just wade in on this, it does seem to me to be completely the wrong section for something like this (whether its relevant or not). It does not explain or elaborate on party policy, it merely gives insights into who might be voting for the party or who is "likely" or "more likely" to vote for the party! That's not policy, its even a big stretch to call it perception of policy! other editors such as Blue Square Thing have previously proposed a section on "perceptions of the party" or something along those lines. That is the only place that something like this could be appropriately included! I'm not wholeheartedly against it's inclusion but as things stand there is not an appropriate section for this to go in. If Emeraude wants to create one, we can't stop him as it is a peer based review (a somewhat questionable one but wiki policy says its not our place to make those judgements). What we can and must do is prevent the narrative being distorted by having something like this in a policy section, when it has absolutely no place in this section! As for further criticisms about this section, e.g. tax it only seems to state the least attractive elements to someone of a left-wing orientation. It ignores the parts of policy that would appeal to someone who might describe themselves as "left-wing", such as a high tax threshold of £13,000, zero tax(inc NI) on those earning the minimum wage. This is another example of how the narrative has been effected, picking and choosing, being selective about what gets included and what doesn't affects the narrative! That you can not deny! In light of this it seems that the IPs criticisms are justified to at least some degree! Sheffno1gunner (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ANI is not the place to resolve this additional content dispute. I opened this discussion because of repeated failures of good faith by at least one IP editor. More and more examples have followed. Sheffno, you have only recently returned from a ban because of your own edits. We can better resolve content disputes if we're all following basic Wikipedia policies in the first place, like assume good faith, use reliable sources, do not use original research, avoid bias. Bondegezou (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't dismiss this outright it does have relevance to the discussion, as it has been said above there are 2 sides to this story. That said, while it should be considered, it should be discussed and resolved on the appropriate talk page, this is what I have sought to do. I believe that the creation of a new section is a sensible compromise considering that it was wholly inappropriately placed as even Lukeno94 agreed along with the other IPs and sheffno1. As for sheffno1's conduct, he has served his ban and should be treated as any other editor! Besides the fact that is not the matter up for discussion here! 130.88.115.61 (talk) 17:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've blocked Sheffno1gunner for two months for sockpuppetry. The IPs have each been given shorter blocks. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 21:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. For clarification, the sockpuppetry investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sheffno1gunner/Archive#06_March_2013 has concluded that Sheffno1gunner is 213.120.148.60, 81.149.185.174 and others. I opened this discussion suggesting a ban on the grounds of incivility and disruptive editing should be considered. However, a ban on the basis of sockpuppetry has much the same effect. I don't personally see the need for any further action now; we'll see if there is any need to re-visit this issue in the future. Bondegezou (talk) 10:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

31.87.25.120

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The IP in the heading has been repeatedly following User:Dougweller around and reverting him with insulting edit summaries. See the contributions (linked in the heading for what I mean). King Jakob C2 22:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've temporarily blocked the IP as a sock. If reports need to be logged for archival reasons or the block needs to be altered, let me know. Tiderolls 23:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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This was a Paul Bedson sock - not the only one

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson/Archive and [137]. Also 213.205.233.213 (talk · contribs) Dougweller (talk) 06:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked 72h, same as the above (note, not indef unlike the closing statement, as these appear to be dynamic IPs) - The Bushranger One ping only 09:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

hoax, slander or what?

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The current content of userpage User:VictoriaSecretJ of this 1-edit-user seems to be inappropriate and surely out of scope. Over at Commons the (likely) same user uploaded image File:Victorian Model Michelle"Carrolline" Hernandez.jpg, which also contains in its description a lot of questionable legal information about an real (or fictious) identified person. --Túrelio (talk) 06:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Someguy1221 deleted the userpage and the file. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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RFPP

There is currently a two day backlog, any administrators willing to help would be appreciated. Crazynas t 09:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Headstrong4ever

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  • Headstrong4ever (talk · contribs) Bit of an odd one this. I came across this user originally on the I Knew You Were Trouble article, where they made a change to the music genre - a change that wasn't completely incorrect, but was unnecessary (basically, Popstep, the current genre, is basically the combinations of his genre changes), and although it was sourced, the source was less reliable than the original one. At that point, I assumed he was acting in good faith, as my edit summary shows:[138] I went to his talk page today, just intrigued to see what their contributions were like, and was confronted with a literal wall of warnings about making unsourced genre changes to music articles, dating back to July 2012, and they're now on their second block for this kind of thing. Sure enough, when you look through their contributions, although there are some good edits mixed in there (or ones that are close enough), there are plenty of unsourced things going in (I'm going to present the diffs of the reversions, rather than the additions, just to show how many notifications there are) [139][140][141][142] just as a random sample of the recent ones. Now, I'm not sure what needs to be done - they're constantly making edits against consensus, and they've been warned many, many times (in edit summaries and on their talk page), so usually I'd suggest an admin has a word with them, but they've clearly not replied to any warnings, and, in fact, there's no evidence they've acknowledged them, so I'm wondering if, perhaps, the 36 hour block they're on should be extended? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Edit patterns may indicate someone who can't communicate in English as opposed to someone obstinately refusing to communicate and ignore warning and coaching messages. I would suggest an indef block with a message stating that an unblock would be considered if he acknowledges he understands why what he is doing is disruptive and gives some indication he will changes the behavior that led to the block in the first place. Absent that, what will likely happen is a continuing series of increasing length blocks as it is unlikely he will change his behavior with respect to his changing genres to match his personal evaluations. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't going to propose an indef right off the bat, but I'm certainly not going to object to it, and it was what I was originally thinking. I'm not interested in their motives, but regardless, at least 75% of their edits are problematic - those 5 diffs were just ones I looked at randomly from the last couple of months. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Block per WP:CIR. Short blocks do not help at all in these cases, it just makes a page of warnings which lose any impact because it looks like template spam (which it is), ie [143]. If they'd been indef blocked around August, after a final warning, it'd have saved a lot of wasted time. (And they could possibly have demonstrated understanding and then been unblocked). 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. It would also help if an admin blocked (indef), removed all the useless crap from their talk (which clearly isn't helping), and wrote something simple to understand - like, "You've been blocked because of <this>, if you can explain you understand why, I can unblock you". Pro tip: if the first dozen template-warnings didn't help, the second dozen are unlikely to work any better. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uh, your edit to their talkpage, by hatting things, wasn't exactly appropriate, all of the warnings were valid, and there's no reason to remove them. Not really sure what your point was, after the first bit? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above is in reference to [144], undone [145].
Luke, do you really think that those 18 template-warnings are helping the situation, considering that the user has nor responded to any of them? 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's irrelevant whether they're helping the situation or not. Fact is, as I said, you're neither an admin nor that user: it's inappropriate to collapse them off your own bat. That's why I undid the collapsing - if an admin decides to go and collapse, hat, delete or incinerate it, I don't care - but it's not for you or I to do. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simple question for you, Luke: Which of these pages is likely to help the situation more, (A) or (B) ? If your answer is (A), and you still object, I suggest you (re)read WP:BOLD and remember why we're all here. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better to keep context IMO then just leave a pointer to this discussion. That is part of the WP:CIR test as well. Inability to scroll to the bottom of the page and read the last message. The welcome message is valuable. As a user talk page he does have the right to delete whatever he finds annoying on his page. The fact he hasn't done so does indicate he likely doesn't look at them anyway and I agree they are not really serving their purpose now. An attempt to edit while blocked should focus his attention if it matters to him. Some of the messages are procedural, admins don't seem to like to block unless there is a reasonable progression of warnings particularly, like this case, when it is not vandalism. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm getting very confused by the tangent this ANI is taking (and the fact I got told off for not leaving a notice, when I did, but that's beside the point). WP:BOLD has absolutely nothing to do with a user's talk page, it also says that you shouldn't get upset when a bold edit is undone... Geraldo Perez is right, basically. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Being able to scroll through and comprehend of 18 (now 19) template warnings written in gobbledegook is not the level of competence that is required.

Being able to understand that there is a problem with their edits, and giving them a chance to respond, is a better way forward. Point of order, I did not remove anything at all; I just collapsed it, so it was reasonably clear instead of 10k of wiki-speak obscuring the actual purpose of communication.

BOLD has everything to do with everything. And I'm not upset; I'm just dismayed that you've undone a productive edit just because it wasn't made by an admin. That's the sad state of this project. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting a bit away from the issue of what to do with this editor. The standard warning messages were designed to be understandable and instructive and I do think they serve that purpose, if they are actually read, that is. Adding another attempt at saying the same thing is probably not going to be helpful either in this case. Still waiting for an admin response to all this and should probably hold off doing anything to the user talk page until an admin decides what is the most effective thing to do. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Headstrong4ever is just another one of the Brazilian schoolchildren that edit articles related to the music scene, with the typical Disney emphasis ("Headstrong" is an Ashley Tisdale album). I've been aware of him for a long time. English comprehension tends to be a problem with these editors, and he isn't an exception. It's probably getting to the time to decide that he isn't ever going to make the transition to being a productive editor.
As for the template issue, I hate them, and don't use them except for block notices. I think they accomplish exactly the opposite of their goal: by being so bright, garish, and overloaded with polite-sounding-but-meaningless text, they make it harder for newcomers to get any understanding of what's going on and what's wrong with their edits.—Kww(talk) 22:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
KWW, I agree that the user is probably challenged by English comprehension, and likely won't be a productive editor. My point about my edit (and its reversal) was, that if there is any chance of getting the editor on-track, it's by making things more clear.
I also supported an indef block, until they can (we hope) demonstrate competence.
The 'aside' is, that I believe my edit to their talk was a good one. Per BRD I was bold, it was undone, so we're discussing it. Hopefully. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The standard warning messages, do suffer from being "standard", I applaud anyone who leaves carefully crafted custom messages, and support IP's collapsing of stale messages here (they could reasonably have been archived). I am aware there are long standing issues with "genre" editors, maybe the simple injunction not to mess with genres would cover the case? In any event it might be worth someone leaving a note in his native language or even the template pointing to his native language wiki? Rich Farmbrough, 01:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC).
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The user has made edits like [146] and [147][148] . Not perfect, but surely not "just another one of the Brazilian schoolchildren" that can't be productive editors? Hey, they used references (even if they were bad ones) - that's 1000% better than most new articles. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 01:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC) I've added this at the IP's request, since ANI is currently semiprotected. Nyttend (talk) 02:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't put words in my mouth. We have a lot of Brazilian schoolchildren editing in the pop music area. I recognize them from the sites they tend to use for sources and the release dates they tend to add. Many of them are productive. They do struggle at first, though, and many of them never become productive. My use of the word "just" was not to dismiss the editor, it was to indicate that his difficulties are fairly typical.—Kww(talk) 02:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm glad the IP didn't try to edit-war that collapsing back in. I'm still sticking to my point: it's for admins to decide whether the warnings should be collapsed, deleted, nuked, or put in a car compactor, not for an IP or for a non-admin like me (so it should be left uncollapsed). Anyway, back to the actual ANI concern, and I'm still refraining on speculating why their edits are so bad, because I really don't care (unless they were going to explain themselves; this is evidently not gonna happen), so the indef is probably the way to go, until we can decide they're competent/understand rules etc. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technically, administrators aren't given any more leeway in such matters than any other user. We have to abide by the same policies as everyone else. WP:NOBAN suggests you don't edit other users' talk pages "other than where it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful". I'd suggest that removing notices from another editor's talk page is very unhelpful unless they've asked you to do it. And again, this applies to administrators too, I refrain from removing info (especially notifications) at another editor's talk page unless there's something there that's objectionable (per policy) or if they've asked me to do it. -- Atama 19:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As previously noted, I didn't remove anything; just collapsed old notices. I also said, which of these pages is likely to help the situation more, (A) or (B) ? I think consensus would be (A), so it was a 'good edit' and shouldn't have been reverted. I don't think it breached NOBAN, which is vague - "In general, it is usual to avoid substantially editing..." - lots of scope for interpretation. I claim that the core policy applies - "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." WP:IAR 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is that {B} is more helpful. If those notices weren't helpful they wouldn't have been issued in the first place, and we wouldn't use them routinely. I'd suggest that if you want to draw more attention to Luke's notice, put it in its own header separate from the ones before it, or add a more natural, explanatory bit of dialog after his notice explaining what the issue is (I do that now and then for editors who may not understand our templates). But if the editor is ignoring prior notices (whether due to negligence, a lack of English skills, or not knowing where or what their user talk page is) they're not going to respond to Luke's notice no matter how you clean up their user talk page. I understand what you're trying to do and I think it's commendable, but I don't think it's the correct thing to do (either here, or on editors' talk pages in general). -- Atama 20:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think that collapsing the block notices was a little overdoing it, but as for the rest, I think it was an improvement. We've had WP:DTTR for a while. I'm more a believer in WP:DTA.—Kww(talk) 20:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • User has come back, and immediately is warned for making poorly sourced BLP changes: [149]. Not quite the music genre issue, but... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can't help but think that someone who is likely not English-first-language might be struggling here to notice the detailed nuance of the 20th template message. It's a pity, and I imagine it'll lead to a block; I wish we could've tried harder to get 'em on track. Sure, 99% of the time it's a waste of effort, but the 1% is gold. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resumed doing same today, see edit history. I reported to AIV as resumption of actions that led to last block. I assume escalating block durations that will probably eventually lead to an indef appears to be the default method of handling this. As I suggested earlier, an indef now, to get his attention, with a well crafted message explaining why what he is doing is wrong and that the block will be rescinded if he indicated understanding would likely be more productive. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think he has discovered his talk page and is open to some coaching. See messages on my page here. He is also asking for help on his page here. Looks like a serious attempt to become a better editor. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still concerned about unref'd edits to BLPs. I appreciate they might be trying, but I don't think they're getting it. If it wasn't BLPs, I wouldn't be so bothered. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you're right but I personally think it is worth it to try for now and cut him a bit of slack. If it doesn't look like he is serious, further action can be taken then. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

01:07, 25 March 2013 Toddst1 blocked Headstrong4ever (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Disruptive editing: Continued music genre changing - now under false pretense of references) [150] Good or bad, it's happened. so I think we're done here. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 02:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion regarding User:Will Beback

Have started a sort of RfC regarding Arbcom's recent denial to grant Will Beback a return to editing here. I have a number of concerns regarding this decision. One being that it was made without community input and in secrecy and two the evidence to support the original indefinite ban is so weak. Note that I was involved and did see the private evidence in question. It however is interesting to look at the public evidence as quoted by arbcom. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're... holding a "sort of RfC" on the user page of one user, with the intention of overturning an arbcom decision about a different user? Certainly unusual. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, an Rfc seems like a waste of time. I'm not sure there's anything the community can do at this point--I really don't think that we can overrule Arbcom by a Rfc vote. I certainly would not want to be the admin to undo the Arbcom block! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's good to gauge where the community stands. It is something arbcom can take into account, and perhaps influence the internal discussions. IRWolfie- (talk) 03:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We can't? What does the WMF say about the scope of Arbcom's authority? little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer
14:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If the community takes one stance and arbcom takes another yes we will have an interesting situation. Arbcom did overturn User:Jimmy Wales in this case. IMO the community holds the authority. The main thing is that we have a very small group of editors making decisions that affect all of us behind closed doors. For an so called open movement I see this as strange.
The decision they made in this case has had a negative effect on 1) people willingness to be critical of arbcom 2) peoples willingness to speak out about concerns they see regarding COI. It also deals directly with the policy of WP:OUTING. Does sending an email to arbcom and a couple of other admins mentioning concerns of COI count as outing? And who gets to decide if it does or not arbcom or the community? In this case of course that email was counted as outing and an indef ban was handed out. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think an email to ArbCom can count as outing someone. Binksternet (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I am aware, ArbCom rejected the appeal in secret deliberations. We don't know why or what was said, or who thought what. If we find out what the community thinks, maybe ArbCom might just take that on board. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The basic idea of giving the community a way to advise arbcom is a good one, and the RfC format is perfect for that. Having the RfC on some obscure talk page seems like it would result in a biased sample of users, but is some central place better? A practical problem is that those users who get to arbcom tend to be the most tendentious, and I predict that a lot of them would start such RfCs hoping that the community will Rise Up And Smite Those Who Have Been So Very Very Unfair To Them even though they have no case. In the usual case -- a user who is a real problem -- there is a lot to be said for arbcom being the end of the road. On the other hand, in some cases there will be a large number of people who disagree with an arbcom decision, and in those cases there is a lot to be said for arbcom not being the end of the road. It's an interesting and recursive "who watches the watchers" problem. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think I should move the page somewhere else? I am happy to. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 06:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Discussions of this type usually take place at WP:AN. -- Dianna (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As it stands currently, there is no consensus among the community to overturn ArbCom, so this is kind of a moot discussion. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Need help dealing with User:Masterzora

After repeatedly imploring that a user please stop accusing me of having an "agenda" and instead help to contribute to the article, I'm still met with accusations of bad faith.

Please see Talk:Legendary creature where I have told User:Masterzora that I'm only interested in discussing the article, multiple times, yet this user refuses to "drop it" so to speak and continues to accuse me of acting in bad faith, of trying to "game" Wikipedia, and so on. I've said numerous times that Talk:Legendary Creature is not the appropriate place to discuss my perceived misconduct, but it keeps being brought up over and over again. In fact, if you look at User:Masterzora's contributions you'll see that the ONLY contributions to that article and its talk page are personal attacks on me, rather than aiming to help improve the article. After about two years of being inactive, suddenly this user pops up out of nowhere and begins nothing but personally attacking me and accusing me of having an "agenda".

I would like some help with how to move forward on this issue, because I'm not interested in discussing these bizarre accusations of me pushing an agenda, along with insinuating that because I am "an active user of multiple atheist subreddits" (in reference to reddit's subforums which are called subreddits) that this somehow makes me it okay to assume that I'm here to push some sort of "agenda".

If I have done anything wrong thus far I would like help from more experienced editors and admins in letting me know what I've done wrong and how I can fix it. Thanks. --JasonMacker (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Masterzora is a pretty old account that suddenly reawakened specifically to make these accusations. I'm not sure whether it's compromised or what. That said, once again this comes across as not entirely innocent. JasonMacker's participation in the Reddit thread evinces a certain position/bias which is reflected in the direction he is trying to take the article, and which has been manifested most recently in an attempt to move the article to a different title where he thinks his position may be more readily defended. This also is meeting with a great deal of resistance. Masterzora needs to be reined in if he continues, as his battle with JasonMacker is proving to be nuisance and distraction; but the latter needs to consider how consensus is running pretty strongly against him in the article and perhaps back off from what is coming across as something of a POV crusade. Mangoe (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, it is a bit inaccurate to say I reawakened specifically to make these accusations. My first two comments (and the only two before the move proposal) were both directed at content, with only a sentence each directed at the Reddit invasion itself. It was only when the tactic was changed to the move that the content of my comments became one of accusations. And this does pertain to the fact that I am an old account being reawakened: despite once being a fairly frequent contributor I let the account wither because I was becoming increasingly frustrated with editors who seemed more concerned with maintaining a position than with increasing the quality of the wiki. I revived the account because I was specifically seeking to stop an external invasion of people who fit that very description from succeeding at making their vandalism stick. And once I'm sure they won't succeed, this account will wither away once again, probably until I am linked to another invasion.
And so this brings us to the proposal to move. I, and other editors, have pointed out content-based reasons to oppose the move. In a perfect world, that should be it. However, I also believe it foolish to believe that the move is strictly about improving content and future commentors and any potential closing admin need to be aware of the other factors involved before weighing in or moving the article. Perhaps I am unsupported by policy, but I firmly believe that any change put forth by a POV invasion that helps further the cause of said invasion requires greater scrutiny and a higher standard to actually put in effect. In order to actually make people aware, the comments have to be somewhere they'll see them, hence putting them in the proposal to move. Further, poking through his history, JasonMacker seems to have been a useful contributor before this incident so I did not want to seek any action against him and hence me not opening an ANI as he has done.
I will admit that, especially with Wikipedia's rudimentary "threading", my comments seem to be rather distracting in their current location. As such, while I will firmly stand by their content and current inclusion, I will refrain from adding onto them. However, if he continues the crusade of his invasion, and especially if he continues trying to hide behind policies that don't even support him, I will look to reverse my current position and actually take action against him. -- Masterzora (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bedson again - this time randomly reverting me

213.205.235.142 (talk · contribs) - blocked IP for 24 hours and reverted. This time he's just reverting me at various articles he's never edited. Dougweller (talk) 10:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He's a banned user - simply revert, block & tag. Then wait for the next sock... GiantSnowman 11:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bamler2's removal of photograph at Albert II, Prince of Monaco

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This editor keeps removing a photograph of the Prince with President Obama. Here[151], here[152], here[153], here[154], here[155], and here[156]. Three editors have disagreed with these removals and reverted. It was talked about here[157] on Prince Albert talk page, nobody supports his removal of the photographs.

Bamler2 also made this deliberately wrong edit to the article here[158]. Note he puts a CN tag on an edit he created.

He's accused one of the reverting editors(me) of stalking him in this Prince Albert edit summary[159]. Bamler2 also made the same accusation[160] at my talk page.

As for the rest of his behavior, he's accused[161] another editor of sockpuppetry without proof. Sorry but that ANI thread wasn't archived. li Note- The ANI thread hasn't been properly archived, so I linked to its last version on the home page. All but one of the Prince Albert edits took place before the ANI thread started.

He's accused an editor of racism[162]. There are these posts, here[163] and here[164]. In the latter he wrote in the summary- 'removing comments..you are all powerful, can make life hell, even drive one to suicide. I support anything the AC wants. AC is perfect.Sorry.Sorry'

This editor is clearly WP:NOTHERE, refuses to abide with consensus, and makes untrue accusations. Some type of block is needed, if not a total site ban....William 12:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the complainer, William, just vandalized WP. See this http://www.palais.mc/monaco/palais-princier/english/h.s.h.-prince-albert-ii/news/2009/january/hsh-prince-albert-ii-of-monaco-reached-the.1385.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 14:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
sour grapes, lies, and personal attacks. I improve wikipedia. Prince Albert's article has been improved by me adding a more relevant photo of his reign,not an undue weight of Mr. Obama, where the pic is merely a museum reception, nothing major about his reign or Obama's policies. I correctly add that Albert has walked to the south pole...look it up. William should be blocked for falsely claiming this is wrong info that I put in.....as far as accusing editor William of stalking, look he stalks me again..
WP:BURDEN clearly states 'The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material'. Which you didn't do till now. Where was the source when you made the edit?
Furthering my case for some sort of action against this editor is his 1- Repeated failure to sign his posts. 2- His c unwarranted accusation of me being a stalker and 3- His attempts to disrupt this thread by improperly place his responses.(I've taken the liberty of moving them to beneath my complaint since they are a response to it. Bamler2 knows how to respond on a talk page or ANI thread. He just constantly refuses to do so....William 14:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
using William's logic, if you edit and do not put a citation, you should be blocked. I knew for a fact that Prince Albert went tI the south pole. However, I later thought that great editors put a citation to all work so I put a citation needed tag so I or someone else could fix it tomorrow. William, the complainer, rejects AGF, thinks the worse, removed the fact, and falsely accused me.
as for his complaint about signing, he advocates you break the law. The ADA law is for handicapped people, such as me. wikipedia is great in that it Autosigns. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 14:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
as far as stalking, the complainer, William, never edited the Albert article until he started.to hate me then followed me there. Stalking is a blockage offence. I am willing to let bygones be bygones and continue putting great facts into WP if we drop this matter and block william — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 15:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Subthread since this has become such a mess to follow

First, the edit warring by Bamler2 has to stop. S/he has now been warned about that. Continued efforts in that direction will result in Bamler2 being blocked. Second, talk page discussion formatting is here for a reason. Continued unconventional threading discussions like this is evidence of tendentious editing. The editor needs to follow the convention set forth by consensus. Information to that effect has been left on that user's talk page. Third, yes, the user needs to sign their posts. Fourth, I see no evidence that WilliamJE has vandalized. I suspect Balmer2 has good intent but has a lot of learning to do about how to communicate and edit effectively here. Toddst1 (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look closer. He removed a good fact and falsely accused me of vandalism. Of the billions of people in the world, I am the only to add that Albert went to the south pole to someone doesn't edit that he went to the north. William then falsely accused me of vandalism even though my edit is true, unless you call the Monaco government press office a liar Bamler2 (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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123.224.94.138

123.224.94.138 (talk · contribs)

Well, I was fine when an IP editor started an edit war in the article, and I tried to mediate something. They even complained at my talk page that I warned them for edit warring. They still disagreed with everybody, reverting the edits on Joseph van Wissem every time they showed up in Wikipedia. That was still fine with me, and I filed a DRN request which is still pending. But today they reverted my edits calling it vandalism, which I am afraid goes over the top. Could somebody please have a look (the page history and tha talk page should be sufficient) and see whether a block would be in order here, or may be I misunderstand something.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, it is a WP:COI issue concerning 24.42.67.83 (talk·contribs) aka Jozefboys (talk·contribs) aka Jozefvanwissem (talk·contribs) who edits the Jozef van Wissem page claiming to be the subject of the article. See also WP:COIN#Jozef van Wissem. I think the editor's narrow self-interested or promotional activity in article writing clearly indicates that he is not here to build an encyclopedia. Meanwhile, Ymblanter has repeatedly reverted only my edits without explaining why at the talk page. I just called his revert "vandalism" because I feel like being hounded by him/her. 123.224.94.138 (talk) 13:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, consensus was reached at the talk page concerning one of the versions. You were repeatedly told by at least three users to stop reverting but you did not.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, consesnsus was not reached yet. Additionally, the quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. See WP:TALKDONTREVERT. 123.224.94.138 (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need some help here. The unregistered editor from Tokyo changes IPs frequently, so we probably need WP:SEMI on the BLP to stop his edit warring rather than blocks.
This trumped-up "COI" was the subject trying to get errors out of his article. The IP spent the first half this dispute insisting that the article say that the subject is still collaborating with people he hasn't worked with for several years (including, by the way, two musicians from Tokyo ...just sayin').
Now he's insisting that since the subject made slightly more non-solo albums than solo albums means that the exact name of one of the defunct collaborations must be mentioned in the lead, plus that his most widespread work (the musical score for a popular video game) much be removed, and again that all of his (many) past collaborators should be mentioned in the same list as his (two) current ones. Furthermore, he expects detailed refutations to an endless series of similarly trivial "reasons" why he's right and all six of the registered editors on that talk page are wrong.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with the IP. We've either got someone trying to boost his own career in this article, or we've got someone who is obsessed with one of those past collaborators. We need help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One or more users in this case have fit behavioral patterns in a potential SPI case - I would recommend opening an SPI of the individuals identified in this Editor Interaction Analyzer to clear things up :EIC SPI Candidates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriot1010 (talkcontribs) 16:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything there that would interest SPI. It's hardly surprising that three editors, each of whom have tens of thousands of edits, and who were brought into this dispute on the basis of noticeboard requests for help, have previously interacted with each other on various pages. The other items amount to saying the current disputants are in a dispute that has spread across multiple pages in an effort to attract help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Headstrong4ever

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  • Headstrong4ever (talk · contribs) Bit of an odd one this. I came across this user originally on the I Knew You Were Trouble article, where they made a change to the music genre - a change that wasn't completely incorrect, but was unnecessary (basically, Popstep, the current genre, is basically the combinations of his genre changes), and although it was sourced, the source was less reliable than the original one. At that point, I assumed he was acting in good faith, as my edit summary shows:[165] I went to his talk page today, just intrigued to see what their contributions were like, and was confronted with a literal wall of warnings about making unsourced genre changes to music articles, dating back to July 2012, and they're now on their second block for this kind of thing. Sure enough, when you look through their contributions, although there are some good edits mixed in there (or ones that are close enough), there are plenty of unsourced things going in (I'm going to present the diffs of the reversions, rather than the additions, just to show how many notifications there are) [166][167][168][169] just as a random sample of the recent ones. Now, I'm not sure what needs to be done - they're constantly making edits against consensus, and they've been warned many, many times (in edit summaries and on their talk page), so usually I'd suggest an admin has a word with them, but they've clearly not replied to any warnings, and, in fact, there's no evidence they've acknowledged them, so I'm wondering if, perhaps, the 36 hour block they're on should be extended? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Edit patterns may indicate someone who can't communicate in English as opposed to someone obstinately refusing to communicate and ignore warning and coaching messages. I would suggest an indef block with a message stating that an unblock would be considered if he acknowledges he understands why what he is doing is disruptive and gives some indication he will changes the behavior that led to the block in the first place. Absent that, what will likely happen is a continuing series of increasing length blocks as it is unlikely he will change his behavior with respect to his changing genres to match his personal evaluations. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't going to propose an indef right off the bat, but I'm certainly not going to object to it, and it was what I was originally thinking. I'm not interested in their motives, but regardless, at least 75% of their edits are problematic - those 5 diffs were just ones I looked at randomly from the last couple of months. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:35, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Block per WP:CIR. Short blocks do not help at all in these cases, it just makes a page of warnings which lose any impact because it looks like template spam (which it is), ie [170]. If they'd been indef blocked around August, after a final warning, it'd have saved a lot of wasted time. (And they could possibly have demonstrated understanding and then been unblocked). 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. It would also help if an admin blocked (indef), removed all the useless crap from their talk (which clearly isn't helping), and wrote something simple to understand - like, "You've been blocked because of <this>, if you can explain you understand why, I can unblock you". Pro tip: if the first dozen template-warnings didn't help, the second dozen are unlikely to work any better. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uh, your edit to their talkpage, by hatting things, wasn't exactly appropriate, all of the warnings were valid, and there's no reason to remove them. Not really sure what your point was, after the first bit? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above is in reference to [171], undone [172].
Luke, do you really think that those 18 template-warnings are helping the situation, considering that the user has nor responded to any of them? 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's irrelevant whether they're helping the situation or not. Fact is, as I said, you're neither an admin nor that user: it's inappropriate to collapse them off your own bat. That's why I undid the collapsing - if an admin decides to go and collapse, hat, delete or incinerate it, I don't care - but it's not for you or I to do. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simple question for you, Luke: Which of these pages is likely to help the situation more, (A) or (B) ? If your answer is (A), and you still object, I suggest you (re)read WP:BOLD and remember why we're all here. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better to keep context IMO then just leave a pointer to this discussion. That is part of the WP:CIR test as well. Inability to scroll to the bottom of the page and read the last message. The welcome message is valuable. As a user talk page he does have the right to delete whatever he finds annoying on his page. The fact he hasn't done so does indicate he likely doesn't look at them anyway and I agree they are not really serving their purpose now. An attempt to edit while blocked should focus his attention if it matters to him. Some of the messages are procedural, admins don't seem to like to block unless there is a reasonable progression of warnings particularly, like this case, when it is not vandalism. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm getting very confused by the tangent this ANI is taking (and the fact I got told off for not leaving a notice, when I did, but that's beside the point). WP:BOLD has absolutely nothing to do with a user's talk page, it also says that you shouldn't get upset when a bold edit is undone... Geraldo Perez is right, basically. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Being able to scroll through and comprehend of 18 (now 19) template warnings written in gobbledegook is not the level of competence that is required.

Being able to understand that there is a problem with their edits, and giving them a chance to respond, is a better way forward. Point of order, I did not remove anything at all; I just collapsed it, so it was reasonably clear instead of 10k of wiki-speak obscuring the actual purpose of communication.

BOLD has everything to do with everything. And I'm not upset; I'm just dismayed that you've undone a productive edit just because it wasn't made by an admin. That's the sad state of this project. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting a bit away from the issue of what to do with this editor. The standard warning messages were designed to be understandable and instructive and I do think they serve that purpose, if they are actually read, that is. Adding another attempt at saying the same thing is probably not going to be helpful either in this case. Still waiting for an admin response to all this and should probably hold off doing anything to the user talk page until an admin decides what is the most effective thing to do. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Headstrong4ever is just another one of the Brazilian schoolchildren that edit articles related to the music scene, with the typical Disney emphasis ("Headstrong" is an Ashley Tisdale album). I've been aware of him for a long time. English comprehension tends to be a problem with these editors, and he isn't an exception. It's probably getting to the time to decide that he isn't ever going to make the transition to being a productive editor.
As for the template issue, I hate them, and don't use them except for block notices. I think they accomplish exactly the opposite of their goal: by being so bright, garish, and overloaded with polite-sounding-but-meaningless text, they make it harder for newcomers to get any understanding of what's going on and what's wrong with their edits.—Kww(talk) 22:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
KWW, I agree that the user is probably challenged by English comprehension, and likely won't be a productive editor. My point about my edit (and its reversal) was, that if there is any chance of getting the editor on-track, it's by making things more clear.
I also supported an indef block, until they can (we hope) demonstrate competence.
The 'aside' is, that I believe my edit to their talk was a good one. Per BRD I was bold, it was undone, so we're discussing it. Hopefully. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The standard warning messages, do suffer from being "standard", I applaud anyone who leaves carefully crafted custom messages, and support IP's collapsing of stale messages here (they could reasonably have been archived). I am aware there are long standing issues with "genre" editors, maybe the simple injunction not to mess with genres would cover the case? In any event it might be worth someone leaving a note in his native language or even the template pointing to his native language wiki? Rich Farmbrough, 01:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC).
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The user has made edits like [173] and [174][175] . Not perfect, but surely not "just another one of the Brazilian schoolchildren" that can't be productive editors? Hey, they used references (even if they were bad ones) - that's 1000% better than most new articles. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 01:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC) I've added this at the IP's request, since ANI is currently semiprotected. Nyttend (talk) 02:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't put words in my mouth. We have a lot of Brazilian schoolchildren editing in the pop music area. I recognize them from the sites they tend to use for sources and the release dates they tend to add. Many of them are productive. They do struggle at first, though, and many of them never become productive. My use of the word "just" was not to dismiss the editor, it was to indicate that his difficulties are fairly typical.—Kww(talk) 02:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm glad the IP didn't try to edit-war that collapsing back in. I'm still sticking to my point: it's for admins to decide whether the warnings should be collapsed, deleted, nuked, or put in a car compactor, not for an IP or for a non-admin like me (so it should be left uncollapsed). Anyway, back to the actual ANI concern, and I'm still refraining on speculating why their edits are so bad, because I really don't care (unless they were going to explain themselves; this is evidently not gonna happen), so the indef is probably the way to go, until we can decide they're competent/understand rules etc. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technically, administrators aren't given any more leeway in such matters than any other user. We have to abide by the same policies as everyone else. WP:NOBAN suggests you don't edit other users' talk pages "other than where it is likely edits are expected and/or will be helpful". I'd suggest that removing notices from another editor's talk page is very unhelpful unless they've asked you to do it. And again, this applies to administrators too, I refrain from removing info (especially notifications) at another editor's talk page unless there's something there that's objectionable (per policy) or if they've asked me to do it. -- Atama 19:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As previously noted, I didn't remove anything; just collapsed old notices. I also said, which of these pages is likely to help the situation more, (A) or (B) ? I think consensus would be (A), so it was a 'good edit' and shouldn't have been reverted. I don't think it breached NOBAN, which is vague - "In general, it is usual to avoid substantially editing..." - lots of scope for interpretation. I claim that the core policy applies - "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." WP:IAR 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is that {B} is more helpful. If those notices weren't helpful they wouldn't have been issued in the first place, and we wouldn't use them routinely. I'd suggest that if you want to draw more attention to Luke's notice, put it in its own header separate from the ones before it, or add a more natural, explanatory bit of dialog after his notice explaining what the issue is (I do that now and then for editors who may not understand our templates). But if the editor is ignoring prior notices (whether due to negligence, a lack of English skills, or not knowing where or what their user talk page is) they're not going to respond to Luke's notice no matter how you clean up their user talk page. I understand what you're trying to do and I think it's commendable, but I don't think it's the correct thing to do (either here, or on editors' talk pages in general). -- Atama 20:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think that collapsing the block notices was a little overdoing it, but as for the rest, I think it was an improvement. We've had WP:DTTR for a while. I'm more a believer in WP:DTA.—Kww(talk) 20:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • User has come back, and immediately is warned for making poorly sourced BLP changes: [176]. Not quite the music genre issue, but... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can't help but think that someone who is likely not English-first-language might be struggling here to notice the detailed nuance of the 20th template message. It's a pity, and I imagine it'll lead to a block; I wish we could've tried harder to get 'em on track. Sure, 99% of the time it's a waste of effort, but the 1% is gold. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resumed doing same today, see edit history. I reported to AIV as resumption of actions that led to last block. I assume escalating block durations that will probably eventually lead to an indef appears to be the default method of handling this. As I suggested earlier, an indef now, to get his attention, with a well crafted message explaining why what he is doing is wrong and that the block will be rescinded if he indicated understanding would likely be more productive. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think he has discovered his talk page and is open to some coaching. See messages on my page here. He is also asking for help on his page here. Looks like a serious attempt to become a better editor. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still concerned about unref'd edits to BLPs. I appreciate they might be trying, but I don't think they're getting it. If it wasn't BLPs, I wouldn't be so bothered. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you're right but I personally think it is worth it to try for now and cut him a bit of slack. If it doesn't look like he is serious, further action can be taken then. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

01:07, 25 March 2013 Toddst1 blocked Headstrong4ever (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Disruptive editing: Continued music genre changing - now under false pretense of references) [177] Good or bad, it's happened. so I think we're done here. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 02:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion regarding User:Will Beback

Have started a sort of RfC regarding Arbcom's recent denial to grant Will Beback a return to editing here. I have a number of concerns regarding this decision. One being that it was made without community input and in secrecy and two the evidence to support the original indefinite ban is so weak. Note that I was involved and did see the private evidence in question. It however is interesting to look at the public evidence as quoted by arbcom. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're... holding a "sort of RfC" on the user page of one user, with the intention of overturning an arbcom decision about a different user? Certainly unusual. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, an Rfc seems like a waste of time. I'm not sure there's anything the community can do at this point--I really don't think that we can overrule Arbcom by a Rfc vote. I certainly would not want to be the admin to undo the Arbcom block! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's good to gauge where the community stands. It is something arbcom can take into account, and perhaps influence the internal discussions. IRWolfie- (talk) 03:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We can't? What does the WMF say about the scope of Arbcom's authority? little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer
14:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If the community takes one stance and arbcom takes another yes we will have an interesting situation. Arbcom did overturn User:Jimmy Wales in this case. IMO the community holds the authority. The main thing is that we have a very small group of editors making decisions that affect all of us behind closed doors. For an so called open movement I see this as strange.
The decision they made in this case has had a negative effect on 1) people willingness to be critical of arbcom 2) peoples willingness to speak out about concerns they see regarding COI. It also deals directly with the policy of WP:OUTING. Does sending an email to arbcom and a couple of other admins mentioning concerns of COI count as outing? And who gets to decide if it does or not arbcom or the community? In this case of course that email was counted as outing and an indef ban was handed out. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think an email to ArbCom can count as outing someone. Binksternet (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I am aware, ArbCom rejected the appeal in secret deliberations. We don't know why or what was said, or who thought what. If we find out what the community thinks, maybe ArbCom might just take that on board. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The basic idea of giving the community a way to advise arbcom is a good one, and the RfC format is perfect for that. Having the RfC on some obscure talk page seems like it would result in a biased sample of users, but is some central place better? A practical problem is that those users who get to arbcom tend to be the most tendentious, and I predict that a lot of them would start such RfCs hoping that the community will Rise Up And Smite Those Who Have Been So Very Very Unfair To Them even though they have no case. In the usual case -- a user who is a real problem -- there is a lot to be said for arbcom being the end of the road. On the other hand, in some cases there will be a large number of people who disagree with an arbcom decision, and in those cases there is a lot to be said for arbcom not being the end of the road. It's an interesting and recursive "who watches the watchers" problem. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:50, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think I should move the page somewhere else? I am happy to. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 06:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Discussions of this type usually take place at WP:AN. -- Dianna (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As it stands currently, there is no consensus among the community to overturn ArbCom, so this is kind of a moot discussion. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Need help dealing with User:Masterzora

After repeatedly imploring that a user please stop accusing me of having an "agenda" and instead help to contribute to the article, I'm still met with accusations of bad faith.

Please see Talk:Legendary creature where I have told User:Masterzora that I'm only interested in discussing the article, multiple times, yet this user refuses to "drop it" so to speak and continues to accuse me of acting in bad faith, of trying to "game" Wikipedia, and so on. I've said numerous times that Talk:Legendary Creature is not the appropriate place to discuss my perceived misconduct, but it keeps being brought up over and over again. In fact, if you look at User:Masterzora's contributions you'll see that the ONLY contributions to that article and its talk page are personal attacks on me, rather than aiming to help improve the article. After about two years of being inactive, suddenly this user pops up out of nowhere and begins nothing but personally attacking me and accusing me of having an "agenda".

I would like some help with how to move forward on this issue, because I'm not interested in discussing these bizarre accusations of me pushing an agenda, along with insinuating that because I am "an active user of multiple atheist subreddits" (in reference to reddit's subforums which are called subreddits) that this somehow makes me it okay to assume that I'm here to push some sort of "agenda".

If I have done anything wrong thus far I would like help from more experienced editors and admins in letting me know what I've done wrong and how I can fix it. Thanks. --JasonMacker (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Masterzora is a pretty old account that suddenly reawakened specifically to make these accusations. I'm not sure whether it's compromised or what. That said, once again this comes across as not entirely innocent. JasonMacker's participation in the Reddit thread evinces a certain position/bias which is reflected in the direction he is trying to take the article, and which has been manifested most recently in an attempt to move the article to a different title where he thinks his position may be more readily defended. This also is meeting with a great deal of resistance. Masterzora needs to be reined in if he continues, as his battle with JasonMacker is proving to be nuisance and distraction; but the latter needs to consider how consensus is running pretty strongly against him in the article and perhaps back off from what is coming across as something of a POV crusade. Mangoe (talk) 11:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, it is a bit inaccurate to say I reawakened specifically to make these accusations. My first two comments (and the only two before the move proposal) were both directed at content, with only a sentence each directed at the Reddit invasion itself. It was only when the tactic was changed to the move that the content of my comments became one of accusations. And this does pertain to the fact that I am an old account being reawakened: despite once being a fairly frequent contributor I let the account wither because I was becoming increasingly frustrated with editors who seemed more concerned with maintaining a position than with increasing the quality of the wiki. I revived the account because I was specifically seeking to stop an external invasion of people who fit that very description from succeeding at making their vandalism stick. And once I'm sure they won't succeed, this account will wither away once again, probably until I am linked to another invasion.
And so this brings us to the proposal to move. I, and other editors, have pointed out content-based reasons to oppose the move. In a perfect world, that should be it. However, I also believe it foolish to believe that the move is strictly about improving content and future commentors and any potential closing admin need to be aware of the other factors involved before weighing in or moving the article. Perhaps I am unsupported by policy, but I firmly believe that any change put forth by a POV invasion that helps further the cause of said invasion requires greater scrutiny and a higher standard to actually put in effect. In order to actually make people aware, the comments have to be somewhere they'll see them, hence putting them in the proposal to move. Further, poking through his history, JasonMacker seems to have been a useful contributor before this incident so I did not want to seek any action against him and hence me not opening an ANI as he has done.
I will admit that, especially with Wikipedia's rudimentary "threading", my comments seem to be rather distracting in their current location. As such, while I will firmly stand by their content and current inclusion, I will refrain from adding onto them. However, if he continues the crusade of his invasion, and especially if he continues trying to hide behind policies that don't even support him, I will look to reverse my current position and actually take action against him. -- Masterzora (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bedson again - this time randomly reverting me

213.205.235.142 (talk · contribs) - blocked IP for 24 hours and reverted. This time he's just reverting me at various articles he's never edited. Dougweller (talk) 10:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He's a banned user - simply revert, block & tag. Then wait for the next sock... GiantSnowman 11:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bamler2's removal of photograph at Albert II, Prince of Monaco

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This editor keeps removing a photograph of the Prince with President Obama. Here[178], here[179], here[180], here[181], here[182], and here[183]. Three editors have disagreed with these removals and reverted. It was talked about here[184] on Prince Albert talk page, nobody supports his removal of the photographs.

Bamler2 also made this deliberately wrong edit to the article here[185]. Note he puts a CN tag on an edit he created.

He's accused one of the reverting editors(me) of stalking him in this Prince Albert edit summary[186]. Bamler2 also made the same accusation[187] at my talk page.

As for the rest of his behavior, he's accused[188] another editor of sockpuppetry without proof. Sorry but that ANI thread wasn't archived. li Note- The ANI thread hasn't been properly archived, so I linked to its last version on the home page. All but one of the Prince Albert edits took place before the ANI thread started.

He's accused an editor of racism[189]. There are these posts, here[190] and here[191]. In the latter he wrote in the summary- 'removing comments..you are all powerful, can make life hell, even drive one to suicide. I support anything the AC wants. AC is perfect.Sorry.Sorry'

This editor is clearly WP:NOTHERE, refuses to abide with consensus, and makes untrue accusations. Some type of block is needed, if not a total site ban....William 12:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the complainer, William, just vandalized WP. See this http://www.palais.mc/monaco/palais-princier/english/h.s.h.-prince-albert-ii/news/2009/january/hsh-prince-albert-ii-of-monaco-reached-the.1385.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 14:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
sour grapes, lies, and personal attacks. I improve wikipedia. Prince Albert's article has been improved by me adding a more relevant photo of his reign,not an undue weight of Mr. Obama, where the pic is merely a museum reception, nothing major about his reign or Obama's policies. I correctly add that Albert has walked to the south pole...look it up. William should be blocked for falsely claiming this is wrong info that I put in.....as far as accusing editor William of stalking, look he stalks me again..
WP:BURDEN clearly states 'The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material'. Which you didn't do till now. Where was the source when you made the edit?
Furthering my case for some sort of action against this editor is his 1- Repeated failure to sign his posts. 2- His c unwarranted accusation of me being a stalker and 3- His attempts to disrupt this thread by improperly place his responses.(I've taken the liberty of moving them to beneath my complaint since they are a response to it. Bamler2 knows how to respond on a talk page or ANI thread. He just constantly refuses to do so....William 14:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
using William's logic, if you edit and do not put a citation, you should be blocked. I knew for a fact that Prince Albert went tI the south pole. However, I later thought that great editors put a citation to all work so I put a citation needed tag so I or someone else could fix it tomorrow. William, the complainer, rejects AGF, thinks the worse, removed the fact, and falsely accused me.
as for his complaint about signing, he advocates you break the law. The ADA law is for handicapped people, such as me. wikipedia is great in that it Autosigns. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 14:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
as far as stalking, the complainer, William, never edited the Albert article until he started.to hate me then followed me there. Stalking is a blockage offence. I am willing to let bygones be bygones and continue putting great facts into WP if we drop this matter and block william — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamler2 (talkcontribs) 15:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Subthread since this has become such a mess to follow

First, the edit warring by Bamler2 has to stop. S/he has now been warned about that. Continued efforts in that direction will result in Bamler2 being blocked. Second, talk page discussion formatting is here for a reason. Continued unconventional threading discussions like this is evidence of tendentious editing. The editor needs to follow the convention set forth by consensus. Information to that effect has been left on that user's talk page. Third, yes, the user needs to sign their posts. Fourth, I see no evidence that WilliamJE has vandalized. I suspect Balmer2 has good intent but has a lot of learning to do about how to communicate and edit effectively here. Toddst1 (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look closer. He removed a good fact and falsely accused me of vandalism. Of the billions of people in the world, I am the only to add that Albert went to the south pole to someone doesn't edit that he went to the north. William then falsely accused me of vandalism even though my edit is true, unless you call the Monaco government press office a liar Bamler2 (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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123.224.94.138

123.224.94.138 (talk · contribs)

Well, I was fine when an IP editor started an edit war in the article, and I tried to mediate something. They even complained at my talk page that I warned them for edit warring. They still disagreed with everybody, reverting the edits on Joseph van Wissem every time they showed up in Wikipedia. That was still fine with me, and I filed a DRN request which is still pending. But today they reverted my edits calling it vandalism, which I am afraid goes over the top. Could somebody please have a look (the page history and tha talk page should be sufficient) and see whether a block would be in order here, or may be I misunderstand something.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, it is a WP:COI issue concerning 24.42.67.83 (talk·contribs) aka Jozefboys (talk·contribs) aka Jozefvanwissem (talk·contribs) who edits the Jozef van Wissem page claiming to be the subject of the article. See also WP:COIN#Jozef van Wissem. I think the editor's narrow self-interested or promotional activity in article writing clearly indicates that he is not here to build an encyclopedia. Meanwhile, Ymblanter has repeatedly reverted only my edits without explaining why at the talk page. I just called his revert "vandalism" because I feel like being hounded by him/her. 123.224.94.138 (talk) 13:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, consensus was reached at the talk page concerning one of the versions. You were repeatedly told by at least three users to stop reverting but you did not.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, consesnsus was not reached yet. Additionally, the quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view. See WP:TALKDONTREVERT. 123.224.94.138 (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need some help here. The unregistered editor from Tokyo changes IPs frequently, so we probably need WP:SEMI on the BLP to stop his edit warring rather than blocks.
This trumped-up "COI" was the subject trying to get errors out of his article. The IP spent the first half this dispute insisting that the article say that the subject is still collaborating with people he hasn't worked with for several years (including, by the way, two musicians from Tokyo ...just sayin').
Now he's insisting that since the subject made slightly more non-solo albums than solo albums means that the exact name of one of the defunct collaborations must be mentioned in the lead, plus that his most widespread work (the musical score for a popular video game) much be removed, and again that all of his (many) past collaborators should be mentioned in the same list as his (two) current ones. Furthermore, he expects detailed refutations to an endless series of similarly trivial "reasons" why he's right and all six of the registered editors on that talk page are wrong.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with the IP. We've either got someone trying to boost his own career in this article, or we've got someone who is obsessed with one of those past collaborators. We need help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One or more users in this case have fit behavioral patterns in a potential SPI case - I would recommend opening an SPI of the individuals identified in this Editor Interaction Analyzer to clear things up :EIC SPI Candidates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriot1010 (talkcontribs) 16:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything there that would interest SPI. It's hardly surprising that three editors, each of whom have tens of thousands of edits, and who were brought into this dispute on the basis of noticeboard requests for help, have previously interacted with each other on various pages. The other items amount to saying the current disputants are in a dispute that has spread across multiple pages in an effort to attract help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the vandalism of my talk page by Deven94 whilst logged out

Hi,

Further to my recent report, User:Deven94 has attacked my talk page directly by page blanking it using User talk:149.254.182.207.

It's a bit difficult for me to link each instance individually, but this link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Usual_people_in_life&action=history

Provides a summary of the edits (which I have now reverted).

Please could someone now consider a block on his account and access because this in my opinion is a direct attack against me, and I am tired of having to revert his edits.

He has also blanked his own talk page on his account, possibly to cover his tracks.

Dev has also been given a personalised warning by WP admin.

Is it time for a block on his access?

If you do block him, could you IPBE (IP Block Exempt) me please, so that I don't get affected.

Thanks, Usual people in life (talk) 13:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • You likely need to talk to a Checkuser. Look at the bottom of the page WP:SPI or find one active on the WP:Functionaries page. This is the kind of IPBE that admin aren't going to even consider without a CU being involved. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 15:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying that you and Deven94 are on the same IP network ? Soap 16:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the quick response.

Soap: The answer to your question is yes and no (it depends on where I am). As can be seen from my account data, I created my account around 2 or 3 years ago at home to edit more effectively. Deven94 only created his at his home around January this year (to my knowledge) simply to vandalize the site as account creation is blocked at college. Most of my edits at college are attempts to revert his vandalism whilst trying to avoid 3RR, (I reverted a batch of them against my user page around 2PM GMT). Unfortunately, me reverting his damage appears to have led to him starting to vandalize my user space and seeming to try to attack my on-line accounts. I don't think college is prepared to contribute to the WP X-Forwarded For (XFF) project that is hosted to identify who is doing what. I can assure you though that the activity that deven94 is generating IS being logged by college servers against his college account - I've reported directly to IT support that he is abusing his WP access.

It appears the same, which may be because I often use a college VPN to access my college files, the result of which is that as a side effect I 'appear' to be on the same network as Deven94 but I'm actually elsewhere (see the logs for this edit to determine my true IP location as I'm currently disconnected from the VPN and I don't use proxies - I suspect Deven94 does use them) I logged in at college a few times to feedback to WP admins that I had notified college admin of the IP edit abuse occurring at college and also to (try to) revert his vandalism.

It's an unfortunate side effect of having such a large college network - everything appears to be from one person when it is actually from over 1000 people at the college.

Is there anything that can be done to prevent deven from blanking my talk page again? I say this because he also blanked his talk page which wiped out the warning Dennis Brown left there. (I feel that if I revert the blanking I will be subjected to more vandalism from him so I'm not prepared to even attempt it, I'd rather leave that to WP admin)

Feel free to contact me at my e-mail address if you need to - I have a feeling that deven will be watching this page waiting to blank it.

In the meantime, would it be best for me to avoid logging in at college or when using the college VPN?

Thanks Usual people in life (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attack by MathSci

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Can someone please instruct MathSci to refrain from personal attacks at User:Jmh649/Will Beback?[192] I don't know what MathSci's beef is, but they should address the comments, not the contributor. I attempted in good faith to work this out with MathSci on their talkpage[193] but MathSci apparently refused to respond in good faith.[194] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What was the personal attack? Malleus Fatuorum 23:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What was the personal attack? Mathsci (talk) 23:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The OP should be warned or blocked for removing other people's comments. I will not revert again, but the OP keeps calling this a personal attack which is in its self a personal attack. --Malerooster (talk) 00:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)@MathSci: This has already been explained to you.[195] Please, address the contribution, not the contributor. I hoped to avoid ANI, but when I tried talking to you on your talkpage, you responded by deleting my kind request.[196] Please, if you want to disagree with what I said, go ahead and do so. But there's no need to make personal attacks. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So what was the personal attack? MalleusFatuorum 00:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear AQFK, saying that you are "adding to the drama" is a personal attack? --Malerooster (talk) 00:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes, saying that, "I was not surprised to see that you added to the drama by creating your very own section." is clearly a personal attack. It says nothing about the substance of what I said, but only addresses me as a contributor. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
ok, I would let somebody else remove or RPA or whathaveyou to that comment, if they agree, thats all. --Malerooster (talk) 00:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If that's your idea of a personal attack, you have led a very sheltered WP life, A Quest For Knowledge. Bielle (talk) 00:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You just don't seem to get it AQFK. By accusing Mathsci of making personal attacks you are making one yourself. It's really not hard once you realise that Wikipedia's "personal attack" policy is a complete load of codswallop mainly employed by the feckless and disingenuous. MalleusFatuorum
I have it on reliable authority that Wikepedia's personal attack policy is in tears at being called "a load of codswallop" and has posted a "Retired" template on its page and flounced off. Yet again Malleus Fatuorum's namecalling has driven a hardworking and respected policy off the project! Oh where will it end! Bishonentalk 00:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC).[reply]
(edit conflict)@Malerooster: Will you please remove the offending part for me? I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. It's not the first time and it's not the last. But they need to address are argument, not the contributor. A Quest For Knowledge (talk)
Your still not getting it, but here's a clue for you. Mathsci was commenting on what you'd done, not on you. MalleusFatuorum 00:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@MF: Pray tell, what have I done? I've been extremely consistent that all editors - no matter who they are - should address one another with respect and adherence to WP:PA and WP:CIVIL. If you can find a genuine instance of me failing to abide by these principles, I'll donate a $100 in cancer research (or whichever charity you want). Does that sound fair? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, this propensity to prematurely close down discussions before reaching consensus is a major problem with AN/I. I've mentioned this before and I'll mention it again. FWIW, I was not asking for a site-ban or even a topic-ban to the offending editor. I just want them to not make personal attacks. Is that really so much to ask? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


BTW, this discussion was closed down by the personal attacker themselves.[197] Does anyone actually disagree with all the diffs I've provided? Can we have an independent admin examine the diffs and proceed accordingly? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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No, I would like someone to answer why it's OK to make personal attacks against me. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't done anything wrong and nor has there been a single diff presented against me. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"not surprised to see that you added to the drama" is a comment about the person. "Your comment added to the drama" would have been a comment about what the person had done. It's often better to let these discussions run their course than to try closing them quickly. Tom Harrison Talk 01:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, "you are a drama-monger" would be a comment about a person. A comment about an action in the active voice rather than the passive voice is still a comment about an action. I closed this discussion in an attempt to avoid another pointless, drawn-out thread that achieves nothing. Basalisk inspect damageberate 01:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Harassment

In Bodu Bala Sena page I added Fascism tag due to this organization using nationalism and religious fervor in attacking minorities. The user 115.67.197.210 [198] accused me of Hate speech. I wanted the admins to clarify this incident.

Delljvc (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • You need to first take this to the article talk page. I have to admit, I'm stymied as to how an article on Buddhism meets the criteria to have the Fascism template on it, but I'm not editing there. He reverted it out, now it is upon you to leave it out and build a consensus to include it. Adding it back in will likely be seen as edit warring, and open yourself up for sanctions. If you can't build a consensus that Buddhism is Fascism (??), then you leave it out, or take it to WP:DRN if you have a split consensus. This isn't a matter for ANI at this point. As for "hate speech", the IP gave a reasoned argument on your talk page, he didn't go into some hateful rant, so I don't find anything uncivil about it. There is no admin action warranted right now. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 20:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Let me quote my earlier post "In Bodu Bala Sena page I added Fascism tag" and not in the Buddhism template. I don't know how to edit templates and if I did it was a mistake. My edit was for Bodu Bala Sena page only. Delljvc (talk) 12:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I forgot to add, you didn't notify the user that you brought them here. The notice at the top of this page gives you the template and tells us that it is mandatory. I'm assuming it was a simple oversight, and as such, I've notified them myself. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 23:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. This week has seen an increase in Buddhist/Muslim tensions. In sections of Myanmar, for example, there have been riots and deaths. Later in the week, Islamic groups plan a rally in Sri Lanka --the home of the organization in this article. This article has seen a huge amount of vandalism this week from IPs in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Singapore, and Qatar, to mention only a few.
The wikipedia needs to be especially careful of what is says is true. Statements need to have reliable sources. The sources should be checked for neutral point of view, and not merely repeat what someone's enemies are saying about them.115.67.39.165 (talk) 03:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikihounding by Purplebackpack89

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Purplebackpack89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Purplebackpack89 is checking my contributions and following me to places he wouldn't find otherwise, just to delete anything I try to save it seems.

I previously complained about his actions, explaining WP:HOUNDING to him, he just erasing my message without responding there. [201]

He then later makes a comment about it on talk page at User_talk:Dream_Focus#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FDreamship where he says "Let that be a lesson to you: if you weren't so busy trying to start shit with me, that article might still be around". He has previously complained about me and the Wikipedia I'm an active part of, the Article Rescue Squadron, dragging those debates all over the place.

After commenting in an AFD I was in, he then goes to deletion review I started where he says nothing other than say "endorse", to endorse the deletion. I ask him about that on his talk page, he claiming he has the right to follow my contributions. [202] He then deletes that discussion instead of responding again. Can someone explain to him that he is not allowed to follow someone's contributions around just to argue with them like he keeps doing? Dream Focus 19:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy close with a TROUT-slap and a boomerang: First off, DreamFocus has yet to produce diffs that show me directly responding to something he said on Dreamship or any other page. So we both commented on the same page? Not seeing the problem; DreamFocus and I are both active participants in AfDs and DRVs. If you looked at the last 100 pages DreamFocus has edited; you'd see that I haven't edited 80-90 of them, so I think the HOUNDing accusation is totally baseless. And, yes, DreamFocus should be admonished for his actions regarding Dreamship; when I tagged it, the first thing he did was accuse me of HOUNDing. Meanwhile, he didn't even bother to improve the article or even participate in the AfD discussion. You're darn right that I have deleted messages DreamFocus has posted on my talk page in the past. I consider them to be disruptive; after all, this is an editor who's been in and out of ANI dozens of times and been blocked thrice. Not sure what DreamFocus' comment about the ARS has to do with Wikihounding, either. Also, DreamFocus is being horrendously hypocritical; just the other day, he followed me to a discussion I was having with User:Colonel Warden herepbp 19:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I have Warden's talk page on my watchlist. I have posted there before, and we are both active members of the same Wikiproject. I did not follow you. Dream Focus 19:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, so lemme get this straight...it's OK for you to follow Warden (and me when I post to his talkpage)? Why isn't that HOUNDing? pbp 20:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Noticing a talk page on your watchlist and responding is fine. Going to someone's contributions just to follow them around however is not. I did NOT follow you at anytime. Dream Focus 20:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Someone please read the links I provided. Don't let him distort things. Don't his comments look like he was mad at me and that's why he went to someplace I had worked on something? No other way he could've found that. Dream Focus 19:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was under the impression it took a lot more instances of interaction before its really considered hounding. It's hard to see much of a trend with so few difs. Certainly doesn't seem like anything actionable beyond a "Hey guys, calm down before this escalates into something more-actionable" type advice. Just my two cents. Sergecross73msg me 20:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • He's done it more, just now and again. Here is one [203]. I thought those two recent ones though proved it was happening. Can someone just confirm he is not allowed to follow my contributions like he has clearly done? Dream Focus 20:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not clear that I do that from the information given. Also, looking at another editor's contributions from time to time is perfectly acceptable, so nobody is going to tell me not to do it. Finally, "now and again" doesn't make it HOUNDing; for it to be HOUNDing, it'd have to happen way more often than it does. As I said above, I have never edited most of the last 100 pages you've edited. Also, what I'm seeing from your last diff is more a disruptive editor making an unfounded accusation of HOUDing, not actual HOUNDing pbp 20:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of the pages both of you have edited. Clicking on the "timeline" link gives you details about the interactions on each page. It would be interesting if one of you did a count of how many times something from Dream Focus was followed by a reply by Purplebackpack89 vs. how many times something from Purplebackpack89 was followed by a reply by Dream Focus. If the posing is random, the two numbers should be somewhat close. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Whether or not Purblebackpack is following Dream Focus' edits is irrelevant. If an editor is worried about the quality of another editor's article work or arguments, following their edits is a good way to correct errors. Wikihounding only occurs if the purpose of following the editor is to harass them. I'm not seeing sufficient evidence of that. RyanVesey 20:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having an argument with someone, then checking their edits to find something you can go to which they are trying to safe and state you believe it should be deleted, is hounding. Dream Focus 20:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Guy Macon, That list is mostly just AFDs which were tagged on the Rescue Wikiproject, so it doesn't really tell anything. Dream Focus 20:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I strongly agree with Dream Focus, and I highly doubt that pbp's intentions for edit stalking them are valid. Pbp has a history of first declaring someone disruptive, then using that defamation as an excuse to hound them. I've asked him 9 times to stay off my talk, and still he refuses to respect that request. GabeMc (talk contribs) 21:03, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To Dream Focus; You can tell the tool to only look at articles, only look at article talk pages, only look at user talk pages, etc. As for the claim "it doesn't really tell anything" I contend that it is two or three cherry-picked examples that do not really tell us anything. You need to establish that it is not just random chance that two editors with lots of edits and similar interest keep hitting the same pages. I have not done a count myself, so I have no idea whether your claim is accurate. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • He did admit it already didn't he? He is following my contributions in violation in the hounding rule. Every time someone gets mad at you for daring to disagree with them on something, they shouldn't be able to check your contributions, and follow you somewhere they wouldn't have ever found otherwise, just to irritate you. Dream Focus 21:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:HOUND: "Many users track other users' edits, although usually for collegial or administrative purposes. This should always be done carefully, and with good cause, to avoid raising the suspicion that an editor's contributions are being followed to cause them distress, or out of revenge for a perceived slight." That last part sure sounds like pbp to me. GabeMc (talk contribs) 21:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems pretty clear to me, from looking at the editor interaction analyzer results noted above, that no actual hounding has occurred. Most of the instances seemed to show Dream popping up after pbp, but since Dream frequents AfD and a large amount of those discussions noted were listed at the ARS, it seems highly unlikely that this is anything more than both of them getting to the same place on their own.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:GabeMc: personal attacks, deadhorse

GabeMc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) GabeMc seems to have found this discussion, most likely via the same edit-searching method DreamFocus is critical of above. He brings up Danjel drama that is old news and ended with Danjel retiring in disgrace, in part for (surprise, surprise!) HOUNDing Epeefleche and me. But, in response to why did I post to GabeMc's talkpage? Personal attacks GabeMc levied against me like this might have something to do with it. Bringing up Harry Potter over and over again in WP:VA/E-relating discussion after three different threads resulted in keeping him on the list might have something to do with it. Could I get a "stop the personal attacks, and stop bringing up Harry Potter over and over again", please? pbp 21:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Kinda hard to AGF to somebody who called me a "Type-A control freak" pbp 23:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pbp, yes, I regrettably made that snarky comment once, but I struck-out the comment within minutes of making it. You on the other hand, have repeated the phrase at least 10–15 times since. So, if you need an apology to drop this, then fine, I'm really sorry. I should not have made that comment nor will I again. Can we please move on now? GabeMc (talk contribs) 23:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shameless VA/E plug

While we're here, everybody should participate in the numerous discussions going on at WP:VA/E and WP:VA pbp 21:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down

At least it's all in one place, but you guys seem to have all just moved your individual feuds to ANI. I don't really think there's any admin action needed, but rather you all should try to just relax. Maybe stay away from confronting each other for a little (that goes for everyone accusing and being accused in this discussion). You don't have to go out of your way to avoid eachother, but maybe just trying not to antagonize for a little couldn't hurt. I'd close this discussion, but I'm not an administrator and perhaps someone else will see a solution to this problem. But a highly doubt one will form that will require administrative action and have a consensus. So just take it easy. Make your arguments, hold your discussions, but keep it to the content, not to the editors.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yaksar, do you deny following my edits for a year? Do you deny following RANs edits? Unscintillating (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A review of PBP's talk page seems to show a long history of complaints and possible abuse of the rules here. I suggest we block him.Bipalabras (talk) 04:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruption and personal attacks by Colleabois on Talk:Germans

The first account is a recently registered account of the IP editor. He has linked the IP's user page and user talk page to the registered account. Since registering the account he has started editing Germans by tag bombing it and thratening to remove content unless it was sourced. In tag bombing he left hidden messages in the text which other editors were expected to be able to decipher. He inserted the tags four times and was reverted by three editors. I then reported him for edit warring at WP:AN3 and he received a warning for disruptive editing from user:ItsZippy. He has threatened to blank content that he does not agree with. That is an unnuanced and unconstructive way of editing. This is an article that I watch but have not edited. After the WP:EW report, I took one fairly neutral phrase summarising the history of Germany as an example and asked him to explain what his objections were. Instead of using a history book ot books he referred to an atlas, using WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Eventually I located three sources and produced a short two sentence rewrite, which is now in the article.

Originally part of the Holy Roman Empire, around 300 independent German states emerged during its decline after the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 ending the Thirty Years War. These states would eventually form into modern Germany in the nineteenth century.

References
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  • Ozment, Steven (2005), A Mighty Fortress: A New History of the German People, Harper Collins, pp. 120–121, 161, 212, ISBN 0060934832
  • Segarra, Eda (1977), A Social History of Germany, 1648-1914, Taylor & Francis, p. 5, 15, 183, ISBN 0416776205
  • Whaley, Joachim (2011), Germany and the Holy Roman Empire: Volume II: The Peace of Westphalia to the Dissolution of the Reich, 1648-1806, Oxford History of Early Modern Europe, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0199693072

Colleabois has responded that there is "not a grain of truth" in what I wrote and that he will remove it. He has further suggested that I have not looked at the sources. After his warning about edit warring, he is back disputing content that is already in the article in another place in greater detail; it can also be found in numerous other articles on wikipedia. The content is in the sources on the pages mentioned. Even when subsequently pointed to google books to verify the sources, he has said that he cannot and that I must provide the full passages on wikipedia. But obviously I cannot, because it would be a copyvio; and I will not, because his request is time-wasting, disruptive and essentially trolling.

My question is "Why is an editor disputing well-known content and making such absurd suggestions of bad faith?" I have a long record as a content creator in arious subjects and know exactly how to locate and use sources. Why suggest otherwise when the page numbers are given? That is a misuse of wikipedia and a waste of other people's time. His tagging was bad enough (it earned him a warning), but now his discussion of sneutral and well-known facts is being turned into a kind of playground tantrum. I am used to things like that on Europe from editors with a nationalist point of view. I suspect that this editor, with an IP in Nijmegen, might not be approaching this article with a neutral point of view. It is classic tendentious editing.

Even after being given links to the sources, with the actual pages, Coilleabois refuses to look up the sources and is stamping his little foot refusing to accept these commonplace facts about German history available in multiple sources as well as on wikipedia. These facts are uncontroversial and already in the article later on . His performance on the talk page is therefore just childish trolling.

Similarly elsewhere on wikipedia he has claimed that Moules-frites is a national Dutch dish. Like the statements on German history, it is well known (and easily sourced!) that it is a Belgian national dish, originating in Brussels. He has since claimed to be Belgian on Talk:European cuisine and has supported his insertion of "Dutch" before "Belgian" by referring to the Belgian constitution. But his edits are unsourced and unsourceable. Just mindless trolling. He is misleading the reader.

He has also been involved in disputes with other users on Pennsylvania Dutch and elsewhere.

There seems to be far too much tendentious editing, with no attempt to use sources and general trollishness on talk pages. Mathsci (talk) 11:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. I have never threatened to blank the article. This is the third time that Mathsci claims this in what can be considered as nothing else than an attempt to incite against me. What I've said is the following: "Below are the issues found with the current article. One week is given to provide sources for the claims, if they have not been provided after that time I will remove them from the article to which they should only then be placed back until proper sources and references for them have been provided." The issues consist of 10 single phrases.
2. This user stalks my edits (as can be seen here in a clear example of WP:POINT in which he attempts to harass me and has removed sourced statements.
3. This uses repeatedly makes blatant lies about my edits in order to manipulate opinion. For example: in the article on European cuisine I made this edit, in which I state that Moules Frites is ALSO a Dutch dish. After a WP:POINT revert by Mathsci, he then goes on talk to say what he has since repeated here too: It is not a Dutch dish. Dutch cuisine by comparison is less developed (...) It's pointless attempting to claim this dish as a classic dish originating in the Netherlands. In other words, he makes it seem as if I claimed it originated in the Netherlands while also attempting to insult me (by assuming I'm Dutch, I'm Belgian) by insulting Dutch cuisine. When I proceeded to add sourced material to back my claim up; he simple attempted to remove it.
4. This user, continually acts hostile and attempts to incite others against me (principally administrators like yourselves) by reporting me for his imagined conspiracy. He claimed I broke the 3RR, which I did not and in this particular case he claims I have made personal attacks. Which he fails to produce evidence for. All this noise he produces makes my talk page look like that of a vandal, which I am not. It is an unhealty situation when other wikipedians advise you to re-register to have a different name so that Mathsci will stop his harassment.
5. Everyone can visit the talk page of Germans and see for themselves that I am only interested in sourced content. I have never been insulting to anyone. Quite the opposite of Mathsci as one can see here.

In short, it is Mathsci himself who is being disruptive and could do very well with a warning. Greetings, Colleabois (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uninvolved (up until now) observer on the sidelines. This is not a simple content dispute and, in my brief encounter with Colleabois, I am inclined to side with Mathsci, as this user displays very tendentious, pointy editing, marching right up to the 3RR line on both of the articles where the deuh-rama is happening,[204][205] (yes I know, my last revert at European cuisine puts me at 3 changes to the article for the day, collateral damage).
At Germans, three editors had to undo the massive pointy tagging of, apparently, well-established, referenced, stable information. Maybe the editor is well-intentioned but has a very brash, "I'm right so listen to me", martial attitude to their editing and also flings accusations around (per point 4 above), when, in fact, they leave tp messages that say "Do not remove sources from the article, that is vandalism", which, as I point out further down on the page, is a) incorrect, b) the sources are incorrectly presented, formatted, the author's name is wrong, there is no page number for the first ref etc. and c) wrongly accusing others of vandalism to back up one's own interpretation of correct editing can be considered a personal attack. That's all from me. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you bother to look on the talk page of Germans, you'll find that two editors fully agreed with my content concerns. That the information questioned was not at all referenced (and much of it still isn't - having no references at all) and that only now (and certainly not thanks to Mathsci) progress is being made with the adding of sourced material. Colleabois (talk) 12:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Colleabois is now arguing on Talk:European cuisine that Wiener Schnitzel is not a national dish of Austria.Mathsci (talk) 22:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question to administrators: What are generally the consequences if a user repeatedly and willfully misquotes or misstates another users position? My exact words: The problem is, that iconic dishes associated with a certain nation might not be restricted to the nation with which they are most closely associated. Even something like a Wiener Schnitzel, which even has the nations capital in its name (!) will still be identical to a Cotoletta alla milanese and therefore also common throughout northern Italy. I actually stress the fact that it is an iconic Austrian dish. This is not the first time that Mathsci has done this and I suspect it will not be the last time unless something is or can be done. Colleabois (talk) 12:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All this about a picture caption for Wiener Schnitzel, having nothing to do with me? I'm sure dozens of administrators are waiting with baited breath for your informed commentaries on the captions for Kaiserschmarren, Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte, Quetschentaart and Rösti. Why not post them on a blog? Somebody out there might be interested. Mathsci (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A general warning explaining concerning the galleries that though popularly associated with a particular country, some foods are also a tradition of other countries/regions or within the country itself might be considered regional cuisine. Youagainattemptto distort statements made. Colleabois (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop shouting on this noticeboard. Thanks in advance, Mathsci (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The day you stop misquoting me is the day I stop bolding my defence of it. Thanks in advance, Colleabois (talk) 17:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Captain Screebo'sresponse below. Yatter, yatter, yatter .........Mathsci (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn't get so worked up Mathsci, you might give yourself an heart attack. Colleabois (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear Lord! How about horsemeatballs all round? Surely this is undeniably pan-European cuisine! CaptainScreebo Parley! 15:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your above statement stands proof of your level of commitment to discussion, polite discourse, "un-involvement" and producing sentences like Great, so now you're taking the line of someone you were reverting on the Germans article? only add to the image of a person who's prejudiced at best. Colleabois (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yatter, yatter, yatter, you are becoming un pot de colle, go pick a fight elsewhere, I am not interested, neither by your pretentious rhetoric nor your singular obsessional nitpicking, it was an attempt at humour, to lighten the mood concerning a subject that has gotten way out of hand due to your insistence that all typical national European dishes should be labelled "WARNING! You may also be served this food in Austria/Germany/Spain/Hungary" etc. You might notice that the admins are just letting this rather belligerent content dispute play out, which I am minded to do also. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the future I suggest you try and make yourself the butt of the joke instead of others. Especially if they're here for serious matters such as accusations of personal attacks. If you want to be a comedian go to open mic night at your local comedy club.Colleabois (talk) 17:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What! Are you telling me that I am a butt, excuse me but this charming expression also means arsehole where I come from, now it is you, dear sir, that are engaging in personal attacks and (sorry just trying out material for the open-mic night at the ANI comedy club, oh it's that-a-way, on my way). CaptainScreebo Parley! 17:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps new additions to your life; such as an interesting hobby, project or friends will help you in spending your free time in France. This clearly isn't working out for you. Colleabois (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh how thoughtful! May I suggest, reciprocally, that a sense of humour, some Preparation H and a Pet Rock might assuage your pained existence. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could an uninvolved administrator weigh in on this or close this. This discussion has turned into a good example of WP:SARC --Kyohyi (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No thank you. You have made very few edits and they are almost exclusively to Men's rights movement, a problematic article under probation (it has been on my watchlist for a while). You have intervened to encourage Colleabois.[206] Captain Screebo, Illraute, Dusty relic, myself and others have some experience editing, so please let this play out. Colleabois has not proposed any relevant content yet, but has wasted large amounts of other editors' time with frivolous and constantly shifting complaints. Your analysis does not seem accurate. Mathsci (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given your recent contributions; you should not accuse others of WP:SPA as the past few days you've done nothing but to try and insult or harass me; fixating yourself on two articles and this page. Talking about this page, when will you be providing diffs of those personal attacks I've made? Colleabois (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mathsci please comment on my statements not on who I am. Just because I haven't a large number of edits doesn't mean I can't spot bad behavior. My comment on Colleabois talk page said that he should bring any changes he wants in the article to the talk page first so that he doesn't get accused of being Pointy. And to be honest you could have at least did a diff to Colleabois talk page, and not a mathematical theorem. All in all I would still appreciate it if an uninvolved administrator would weigh in on this dispute. The Sarcasm and Snark being displayed is unbecoming of a project that is supposed to be a collaboration. --Kyohyi (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • My recent content edits are here.[207] I've also recently participated at WP:AE in a complex request. As an aside, I've edited Men's rights movement 8 times and its talk page 31 times. I have also reverted edits from The Bulldog of multiple socks of Echigo mole. All somewhat unrelated to the problems of Colleabois's tendentious editing on Talk:Germans or his insistence on European cuisine that it might be misleading to describe Wiener Schnitzel as an Austrian dish. Nothing constructive or collegial there, just as Captain Screebo has said. Mathsci (talk) 03:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have been mentioned by name I will weigh in now. I have been watching this play out across our encyclopedia and have this to offer:

  • 1. Colleabois did engage in disruptive editing on the Pennsylvania Dutch page. The behavior went on for several days during which he made repeated reversions that never exceeded the three revert rule but often skimmed it. (This in itself is a violation of WP:3RR in my opinion.) His edits were clumsy, incorrectly cited, and demonstrated a definite although fuzzy point of view. He ignored some valid criticisms while making superficial attempts to address other criticisms and the comments that accompanied his edits were often inflammatory.
Replying here so it makes sense, Dusty if you check WP:EW it does state The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so. and in my limited experience with this editor, they robustly revert 3 times within the 24 hour limit, bluster in ES and do not engage on TPs, so I concur with your opinion that this is a breach of 3RR/EW. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2. That behavior has since stopped. Although Colleabois still shows a certain amount of obstinacy he seems to have confined that behavior to talk pages and forums such as this which I consider to be a vast improvement over his earlier behaviors (which have included among other things peppering an article's source with contentious HTML tags).

3. Colleabois has been difficult to deal with but is has also shown that he is not incapable of making positive contributions to our encyclopedia. In formulating our response to his negative behaviors we should take care not to chase him away.


Thank you for listening, Dusty💬You can help! 15:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think WP:POINTY doesn't says what you think it says. Are you sure you meant to link that, rather than WP:NPOV? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Martijn. I've updated my comments to correct the error. Dusty 💬 You can help! 16:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RolandR SPI closed and archived without critical private (off wiki) information and evidence considered, and never sent to the Functionaries mailing list.

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Hello,

The evidence that was critical to this SPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/RolandR/Archive

Was denied by two members of the functionary team without seeing this information. Clerk: (Someguy1221) The information was sent to the functionaries-en-bounces AT lists.wikimedia.org email, and my last notice was that it was waiting for "Moderator approval"

However the case has already been archived by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DoRD who admitted there was no email sent to the functionaries either, but decided to not even look at it and archive the case.

This is highly unusual, considering this is a very complex case. To simply archive it without looking at the information and NOT notifying the entire functionaries team is a violation of the SPI process, as this information could be considered private: "If your evidence includes emails or any other information not on Wikipedia's public pages, or is 'sensitive', if privacy is needed, or if you suspect sock puppetry by an administrator, you must e-mail the CheckUser team or the Arbitration Committee, and ask what to do. Private information, emails, logs, etc. must not be posted on Wikipedia."

I have been informed by another member of the functionary team and that user confirmed this information was not sent to the functionary email list, and that the information is still being held awaiting moderation.

Since the evidence has not been considered, I request that the case be held open, until the SPI is considered from ALL the information. Obviously, there is only a limited part of the entire SPI located publically. I also request locking of this ANI until this issue is resolved. Patriot1010 (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


I'd wager that RolandR is probably one the most harassed and hounded non-admins in the project. This simply appears to be yet another in a long line of spurious attacks tossed his way over the years; whatever "evidence" you think you have compiled about illegitimate socking is likely bullshit. Tarc (talk) 16:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, this is a fairly straighforward investigation with hard data. If the IPs and ISPs don't match up, including my special intructions, then I will be the first to apologize. Let's not bring in anything but facts here.Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Second the bs claim. Patriot you have this misinformation that stats on pageviews can determine sockpuppetry. Under this, Tarc is my sockpuppet because we're both viewing this page. You also have a horrid understanding of the Checkuser tool, and when you were explained these two things, you didn't listen. Either start listening, or expect a boomerang for your failure to see when it's time to drop the stick and back away from the carcass (I think that's the saying). gwickwiretalkediting 16:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to clarify the pageview claim is merely an indicator - however I have used this indicator to confirm the ISP IP in several cases. Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(ec x 2) Granted, I have not seen your email, but given the flaws with the existing case, I don't think that it will help much. However, if the information in the email does add something useful to the case, I will restore it. —DoRD (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why have I not been notified of this discussion? It is a requirement: "You must notify any user who is the subject of a discussion".
This sockpuppet case was dismissed by oversighter Someguy1221 as " a load of horseshit".[208] But this editor is continuing to pursue it, and appears to have written privately to several admins with spurious "evidence".[209] I regard this as harassment (though, as Tarc notes above, not as egregious as much I have faced), and I request that he is advised to drop this and stop digging him/herself into a hole. RolandR (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't the subject of this ANI, The clerk and administrator who closed MY SPI CASE prematurely without the off-wiki data related to the case to the functionary group are the subjects. Notification is not required of the SPI case.Patriot1010 (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted to make some sense of this post. It seems to boil down to "Keep my SPI case open". In short, no. Someguy1221 was rather harsh, but what he has said is correct. When we receive this other evidence, we can always reopen the case. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No not at all, all this is, is to follow SPI procedure, specifically when it involves off-wiki data as provided by WP:SPI protocols. Is that too much to ask for? Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The SPI "procedure" is to decline baseless reports; as best I can tell, that procedure was followed here. At the top of the WP:SPI page says: "An investigation can only be opened if your evidence clearly shows, from suspicious Wikipedia edits, that two or more users (or different IP editors) seem likely to have the same operator and to be breaching our sock-puppetry policy." (emphasis in the original). Note the "from suspicious Wikipedia edits" part; not only is there no provision for special handling of private evidence, there is an explicit requirement for public evidence to provide sufficient cause for a checkuser request. I'd recommend someone close this section; nothing good will come of it. Writ Keeper (t + c) 16:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, thank you for supporting my case, since the evidence of "that two or more users (or different IP editors) seem likely to have the same operator and to be breaching our sock-puppetry policy." is contained in the private, off wiki information - thus closing this would violate what you just said, and then we would have a prematurely closed SPI case, and a prematurely closed ANI case. Patriot1010 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then you've totally ignored what I said. In order to open an SPI, there must be public evidence pointing to the likelihood that sockpuppetry is happening. The page says that, if you have private evidence, you need to email it to the Checkusers and wait for further instructions, not open a lengthy SPI replete with vague references to private information and then complain that it was closed for lack of actual evidence. Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[edit conflict] Procedure says that we don't reopen investigations that have been denied because of impossibility. Nyttend (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, one cannot check impossibility until the IPs and ISP IPs are checked, as well as the other information. Patriot1010 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Friendly advice from a fellow editor. I'm not an admin, but I try to behave as one. Patrior1010, I'd like to suggest that you immediately drop the WP:STICK and back away. Looking at your contributions (starting around March 14th) I see a pattern of behavior where you lash out at anybody who is offering you advice. This pattern has been played out many times as Suicide by Admin and is a poor way to end your wiki-editing career. You've had multiple highly trusted and vetted editors look at your complaints, look at your edits, and look at your evidence and only a "No, that's not puppetry". What you appear to be doing is conducting a campaign of harassment against RolandR. So before you respond further please read the pages regarding sock pupptetry, signs of sockpuppetry, and Wikipedia:CheckUser before you make any further accusations as I see a very short wiki-future for you if you do not immediately desist from these accusations and make a very significant and comprehensive apology to RolandR, the Checkuser team, and this board for wasting our time. Hasteur (talk) 17:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Patriot1010's stated reason for editing Wikipedia is to pursue "disputes against those of liberal bias, as well as pursuing liberal sockpuppets, meatpuppets, and countering liberal 'senior editor' vandalism, harrassment, and NPOV via WP:GAME." If that's not an explicit declaration of intent to use Wikipedia as an ideological battleground, I'm not sure what is. His decision to treat a garden-variety content dispute as a massive sockpuppet conspiracy perhaps makes more sense in this context. MastCellTalk 17:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This comment may be of interest. Patriot1010 is picking up some bad habits. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A comment here; as Hasteur points out Patriot1010's behaviour seems to have changed recently. This wild connecting of dots and conspiracy theories is, as far as I can see, out of keeping with past contributions and approaches. I've seen this sort of thing before in the real world, and so wonder if we might actually need to show some compassion for somebody who may not currently be quite himself. Slp1 (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't say that. I simply picked a date in their recent history when they became active again. Wikipedia is not therapy. I'm only showing a trend in the recent time frame that is significantly below the standards expected. Hasteur (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to remind some of WP:SPI: "All users are expected to focus only on evidence of sock policy breach and its analysis. Disruptive conduct may lead to removal from the case pages." Patriot1010 (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't SPI, this is ANI, so I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything at all. Seriously, can someone close this? Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's play a little game. Take a look at MastCell's link above. Substitute every "conservative" in Patriot's comment for "Christian" and every "liberal" for atheist. Then ask yourself how many minutes it would take such an editor to get blocked for soapboxing. Editor is clearly here to pursue his own political agenda and not to build an encyclopaedia. Basalisk inspect damageberate 17:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Romantic Realist

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Romantic Realist (talk · contribs) is one of the many SPAs that the Ping Fu/Bend, Not Break articles has attracted, and is one of the most persistent. They are very clearly violating critical principles, such as WP:NPOV, and have been reverted and told this so many times it's untrue. Some of their edit summaries show how clearly that they're WP:NOTHERE to do anything other than disparage Ping Fu.

  • [210] - edit summary that is clearly a personal attack on Fu, as is the edit. Was a reinstatement of [211].
  • [212][213] - inappropriately placed links that have nothing to do with the article (I haven't evaluated any of the links, but that's because they're irrelevant to the article at present)
  • [214] - using article space as a talk page, with a personal attack against Fu again
  • [215][216] - adding hate site link in (plus inappropriate comment for an article in the latter)
  • [217] - the original "expansion" of the Bend, Not Break article - one big attack page.

One look at this user's contributions shows one sole edit outside the talk or article space of these two: and that edit was solely about Bend, Not Break on a user's talk page. This user needs indeffing under WP:NOTHERE, and the nature of the anti-Fu brigade means it may be worth running a CheckUser as well (although a lot of accounts may be stale by now). I'm sick to death of having to police this article against the constant weasel words and WP:NPOV-violating edits by the anti-Fu brigade. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unsurprisingly, they've yet again tried to push that comment [218] - this time accusing me of a COI! The sooner we're rid of this user the better, I think. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just sent a request for suppression to Oversight. I also included a link to this ANI. Fearofreprisal (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • They've also used their IP at times to circumvent suspicion: [219] is IDENTICAL to the COI accusation/personal attack I just removed from the talk of Bend, Don't Break: [220]. So they're clearly socking as well (that IP has been used previously by them). Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruption and personal attacks by Colleabois on Talk:Germans

The first account is a recently registered account of the IP editor. He has linked the IP's user page and user talk page to the registered account. Since registering the account he has started editing Germans by tag bombing it and thratening to remove content unless it was sourced. In tag bombing he left hidden messages in the text which other editors were expected to be able to decipher. He inserted the tags four times and was reverted by three editors. I then reported him for edit warring at WP:AN3 and he received a warning for disruptive editing from user:ItsZippy. He has threatened to blank content that he does not agree with. That is an unnuanced and unconstructive way of editing. This is an article that I watch but have not edited. After the WP:EW report, I took one fairly neutral phrase summarising the history of Germany as an example and asked him to explain what his objections were. Instead of using a history book ot books he referred to an atlas, using WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Eventually I located three sources and produced a short two sentence rewrite, which is now in the article.

Originally part of the Holy Roman Empire, around 300 independent German states emerged during its decline after the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 ending the Thirty Years War. These states would eventually form into modern Germany in the nineteenth century.

References
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  • Ozment, Steven (2005), A Mighty Fortress: A New History of the German People, Harper Collins, pp. 120–121, 161, 212, ISBN 0060934832
  • Segarra, Eda (1977), A Social History of Germany, 1648-1914, Taylor & Francis, p. 5, 15, 183, ISBN 0416776205
  • Whaley, Joachim (2011), Germany and the Holy Roman Empire: Volume II: The Peace of Westphalia to the Dissolution of the Reich, 1648-1806, Oxford History of Early Modern Europe, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0199693072

Colleabois has responded that there is "not a grain of truth" in what I wrote and that he will remove it. He has further suggested that I have not looked at the sources. After his warning about edit warring, he is back disputing content that is already in the article in another place in greater detail; it can also be found in numerous other articles on wikipedia. The content is in the sources on the pages mentioned. Even when subsequently pointed to google books to verify the sources, he has said that he cannot and that I must provide the full passages on wikipedia. But obviously I cannot, because it would be a copyvio; and I will not, because his request is time-wasting, disruptive and essentially trolling.

My question is "Why is an editor disputing well-known content and making such absurd suggestions of bad faith?" I have a long record as a content creator in arious subjects and know exactly how to locate and use sources. Why suggest otherwise when the page numbers are given? That is a misuse of wikipedia and a waste of other people's time. His tagging was bad enough (it earned him a warning), but now his discussion of sneutral and well-known facts is being turned into a kind of playground tantrum. I am used to things like that on Europe from editors with a nationalist point of view. I suspect that this editor, with an IP in Nijmegen, might not be approaching this article with a neutral point of view. It is classic tendentious editing.

Even after being given links to the sources, with the actual pages, Coilleabois refuses to look up the sources and is stamping his little foot refusing to accept these commonplace facts about German history available in multiple sources as well as on wikipedia. These facts are uncontroversial and already in the article later on . His performance on the talk page is therefore just childish trolling.

Similarly elsewhere on wikipedia he has claimed that Moules-frites is a national Dutch dish. Like the statements on German history, it is well known (and easily sourced!) that it is a Belgian national dish, originating in Brussels. He has since claimed to be Belgian on Talk:European cuisine and has supported his insertion of "Dutch" before "Belgian" by referring to the Belgian constitution. But his edits are unsourced and unsourceable. Just mindless trolling. He is misleading the reader.

He has also been involved in disputes with other users on Pennsylvania Dutch and elsewhere.

There seems to be far too much tendentious editing, with no attempt to use sources and general trollishness on talk pages. Mathsci (talk) 11:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. I have never threatened to blank the article. This is the third time that Mathsci claims this in what can be considered as nothing else than an attempt to incite against me. What I've said is the following: "Below are the issues found with the current article. One week is given to provide sources for the claims, if they have not been provided after that time I will remove them from the article to which they should only then be placed back until proper sources and references for them have been provided." The issues consist of 10 single phrases.
2. This user stalks my edits (as can be seen here in a clear example of WP:POINT in which he attempts to harass me and has removed sourced statements.
3. This uses repeatedly makes blatant lies about my edits in order to manipulate opinion. For example: in the article on European cuisine I made this edit, in which I state that Moules Frites is ALSO a Dutch dish. After a WP:POINT revert by Mathsci, he then goes on talk to say what he has since repeated here too: It is not a Dutch dish. Dutch cuisine by comparison is less developed (...) It's pointless attempting to claim this dish as a classic dish originating in the Netherlands. In other words, he makes it seem as if I claimed it originated in the Netherlands while also attempting to insult me (by assuming I'm Dutch, I'm Belgian) by insulting Dutch cuisine. When I proceeded to add sourced material to back my claim up; he simple attempted to remove it.
4. This user, continually acts hostile and attempts to incite others against me (principally administrators like yourselves) by reporting me for his imagined conspiracy. He claimed I broke the 3RR, which I did not and in this particular case he claims I have made personal attacks. Which he fails to produce evidence for. All this noise he produces makes my talk page look like that of a vandal, which I am not. It is an unhealty situation when other wikipedians advise you to re-register to have a different name so that Mathsci will stop his harassment.
5. Everyone can visit the talk page of Germans and see for themselves that I am only interested in sourced content. I have never been insulting to anyone. Quite the opposite of Mathsci as one can see here.

In short, it is Mathsci himself who is being disruptive and could do very well with a warning. Greetings, Colleabois (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uninvolved (up until now) observer on the sidelines. This is not a simple content dispute and, in my brief encounter with Colleabois, I am inclined to side with Mathsci, as this user displays very tendentious, pointy editing, marching right up to the 3RR line on both of the articles where the deuh-rama is happening,[222][223] (yes I know, my last revert at European cuisine puts me at 3 changes to the article for the day, collateral damage).
At Germans, three editors had to undo the massive pointy tagging of, apparently, well-established, referenced, stable information. Maybe the editor is well-intentioned but has a very brash, "I'm right so listen to me", martial attitude to their editing and also flings accusations around (per point 4 above), when, in fact, they leave tp messages that say "Do not remove sources from the article, that is vandalism", which, as I point out further down on the page, is a) incorrect, b) the sources are incorrectly presented, formatted, the author's name is wrong, there is no page number for the first ref etc. and c) wrongly accusing others of vandalism to back up one's own interpretation of correct editing can be considered a personal attack. That's all from me. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you bother to look on the talk page of Germans, you'll find that two editors fully agreed with my content concerns. That the information questioned was not at all referenced (and much of it still isn't - having no references at all) and that only now (and certainly not thanks to Mathsci) progress is being made with the adding of sourced material. Colleabois (talk) 12:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Colleabois is now arguing on Talk:European cuisine that Wiener Schnitzel is not a national dish of Austria.Mathsci (talk) 22:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question to administrators: What are generally the consequences if a user repeatedly and willfully misquotes or misstates another users position? My exact words: The problem is, that iconic dishes associated with a certain nation might not be restricted to the nation with which they are most closely associated. Even something like a Wiener Schnitzel, which even has the nations capital in its name (!) will still be identical to a Cotoletta alla milanese and therefore also common throughout northern Italy. I actually stress the fact that it is an iconic Austrian dish. This is not the first time that Mathsci has done this and I suspect it will not be the last time unless something is or can be done. Colleabois (talk) 12:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All this about a picture caption for Wiener Schnitzel, having nothing to do with me? I'm sure dozens of administrators are waiting with baited breath for your informed commentaries on the captions for Kaiserschmarren, Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte, Quetschentaart and Rösti. Why not post them on a blog? Somebody out there might be interested. Mathsci (talk) 13:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A general warning explaining concerning the galleries that though popularly associated with a particular country, some foods are also a tradition of other countries/regions or within the country itself might be considered regional cuisine. Youagainattemptto distort statements made. Colleabois (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop shouting on this noticeboard. Thanks in advance, Mathsci (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The day you stop misquoting me is the day I stop bolding my defence of it. Thanks in advance, Colleabois (talk) 17:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Captain Screebo'sresponse below. Yatter, yatter, yatter .........Mathsci (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn't get so worked up Mathsci, you might give yourself an heart attack. Colleabois (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear Lord! How about horsemeatballs all round? Surely this is undeniably pan-European cuisine! CaptainScreebo Parley! 15:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your above statement stands proof of your level of commitment to discussion, polite discourse, "un-involvement" and producing sentences like Great, so now you're taking the line of someone you were reverting on the Germans article? only add to the image of a person who's prejudiced at best. Colleabois (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yatter, yatter, yatter, you are becoming un pot de colle, go pick a fight elsewhere, I am not interested, neither by your pretentious rhetoric nor your singular obsessional nitpicking, it was an attempt at humour, to lighten the mood concerning a subject that has gotten way out of hand due to your insistence that all typical national European dishes should be labelled "WARNING! You may also be served this food in Austria/Germany/Spain/Hungary" etc. You might notice that the admins are just letting this rather belligerent content dispute play out, which I am minded to do also. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the future I suggest you try and make yourself the butt of the joke instead of others. Especially if they're here for serious matters such as accusations of personal attacks. If you want to be a comedian go to open mic night at your local comedy club.Colleabois (talk) 17:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What! Are you telling me that I am a butt, excuse me but this charming expression also means arsehole where I come from, now it is you, dear sir, that are engaging in personal attacks and (sorry just trying out material for the open-mic night at the ANI comedy club, oh it's that-a-way, on my way). CaptainScreebo Parley! 17:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps new additions to your life; such as an interesting hobby, project or friends will help you in spending your free time in France. This clearly isn't working out for you. Colleabois (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh how thoughtful! May I suggest, reciprocally, that a sense of humour, some Preparation H and a Pet Rock might assuage your pained existence. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could an uninvolved administrator weigh in on this or close this. This discussion has turned into a good example of WP:SARC --Kyohyi (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No thank you. You have made very few edits and they are almost exclusively to Men's rights movement, a problematic article under probation (it has been on my watchlist for a while). You have intervened to encourage Colleabois.[224] Captain Screebo, Illraute, Dusty relic, myself and others have some experience editing, so please let this play out. Colleabois has not proposed any relevant content yet, but has wasted large amounts of other editors' time with frivolous and constantly shifting complaints. Your analysis does not seem accurate. Mathsci (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given your recent contributions; you should not accuse others of WP:SPA as the past few days you've done nothing but to try and insult or harass me; fixating yourself on two articles and this page. Talking about this page, when will you be providing diffs of those personal attacks I've made? Colleabois (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mathsci please comment on my statements not on who I am. Just because I haven't a large number of edits doesn't mean I can't spot bad behavior. My comment on Colleabois talk page said that he should bring any changes he wants in the article to the talk page first so that he doesn't get accused of being Pointy. And to be honest you could have at least did a diff to Colleabois talk page, and not a mathematical theorem. All in all I would still appreciate it if an uninvolved administrator would weigh in on this dispute. The Sarcasm and Snark being displayed is unbecoming of a project that is supposed to be a collaboration. --Kyohyi (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • My recent content edits are here.[225] I've also recently participated at WP:AE in a complex request. As an aside, I've edited Men's rights movement 8 times and its talk page 31 times. I have also reverted edits from The Bulldog of multiple socks of Echigo mole. All somewhat unrelated to the problems of Colleabois's tendentious editing on Talk:Germans or his insistence on European cuisine that it might be misleading to describe Wiener Schnitzel as an Austrian dish. Nothing constructive or collegial there, just as Captain Screebo has said. Mathsci (talk) 03:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since I have been mentioned by name I will weigh in now. I have been watching this play out across our encyclopedia and have this to offer:

  • 1. Colleabois did engage in disruptive editing on the Pennsylvania Dutch page. The behavior went on for several days during which he made repeated reversions that never exceeded the three revert rule but often skimmed it. (This in itself is a violation of WP:3RR in my opinion.) His edits were clumsy, incorrectly cited, and demonstrated a definite although fuzzy point of view. He ignored some valid criticisms while making superficial attempts to address other criticisms and the comments that accompanied his edits were often inflammatory.
Replying here so it makes sense, Dusty if you check WP:EW it does state The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so. and in my limited experience with this editor, they robustly revert 3 times within the 24 hour limit, bluster in ES and do not engage on TPs, so I concur with your opinion that this is a breach of 3RR/EW. CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2. That behavior has since stopped. Although Colleabois still shows a certain amount of obstinacy he seems to have confined that behavior to talk pages and forums such as this which I consider to be a vast improvement over his earlier behaviors (which have included among other things peppering an article's source with contentious HTML tags).

3. Colleabois has been difficult to deal with but is has also shown that he is not incapable of making positive contributions to our encyclopedia. In formulating our response to his negative behaviors we should take care not to chase him away.


Thank you for listening, Dusty💬You can help! 15:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think WP:POINTY doesn't says what you think it says. Are you sure you meant to link that, rather than WP:NPOV? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Martijn. I've updated my comments to correct the error. Dusty 💬 You can help! 16:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RolandR SPI closed and archived without critical private (off wiki) information and evidence considered, and never sent to the Functionaries mailing list.

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Hello,

The evidence that was critical to this SPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/RolandR/Archive

Was denied by two members of the functionary team without seeing this information. Clerk: (Someguy1221) The information was sent to the functionaries-en-bounces AT lists.wikimedia.org email, and my last notice was that it was waiting for "Moderator approval"

However the case has already been archived by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DoRD who admitted there was no email sent to the functionaries either, but decided to not even look at it and archive the case.

This is highly unusual, considering this is a very complex case. To simply archive it without looking at the information and NOT notifying the entire functionaries team is a violation of the SPI process, as this information could be considered private: "If your evidence includes emails or any other information not on Wikipedia's public pages, or is 'sensitive', if privacy is needed, or if you suspect sock puppetry by an administrator, you must e-mail the CheckUser team or the Arbitration Committee, and ask what to do. Private information, emails, logs, etc. must not be posted on Wikipedia."

I have been informed by another member of the functionary team and that user confirmed this information was not sent to the functionary email list, and that the information is still being held awaiting moderation.

Since the evidence has not been considered, I request that the case be held open, until the SPI is considered from ALL the information. Obviously, there is only a limited part of the entire SPI located publically. I also request locking of this ANI until this issue is resolved. Patriot1010 (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


I'd wager that RolandR is probably one the most harassed and hounded non-admins in the project. This simply appears to be yet another in a long line of spurious attacks tossed his way over the years; whatever "evidence" you think you have compiled about illegitimate socking is likely bullshit. Tarc (talk) 16:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, this is a fairly straighforward investigation with hard data. If the IPs and ISPs don't match up, including my special intructions, then I will be the first to apologize. Let's not bring in anything but facts here.Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Second the bs claim. Patriot you have this misinformation that stats on pageviews can determine sockpuppetry. Under this, Tarc is my sockpuppet because we're both viewing this page. You also have a horrid understanding of the Checkuser tool, and when you were explained these two things, you didn't listen. Either start listening, or expect a boomerang for your failure to see when it's time to drop the stick and back away from the carcass (I think that's the saying). gwickwiretalkediting 16:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to clarify the pageview claim is merely an indicator - however I have used this indicator to confirm the ISP IP in several cases. Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(ec x 2) Granted, I have not seen your email, but given the flaws with the existing case, I don't think that it will help much. However, if the information in the email does add something useful to the case, I will restore it. —DoRD (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why have I not been notified of this discussion? It is a requirement: "You must notify any user who is the subject of a discussion".
This sockpuppet case was dismissed by oversighter Someguy1221 as " a load of horseshit".[226] But this editor is continuing to pursue it, and appears to have written privately to several admins with spurious "evidence".[227] I regard this as harassment (though, as Tarc notes above, not as egregious as much I have faced), and I request that he is advised to drop this and stop digging him/herself into a hole. RolandR (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't the subject of this ANI, The clerk and administrator who closed MY SPI CASE prematurely without the off-wiki data related to the case to the functionary group are the subjects. Notification is not required of the SPI case.Patriot1010 (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted to make some sense of this post. It seems to boil down to "Keep my SPI case open". In short, no. Someguy1221 was rather harsh, but what he has said is correct. When we receive this other evidence, we can always reopen the case. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No not at all, all this is, is to follow SPI procedure, specifically when it involves off-wiki data as provided by WP:SPI protocols. Is that too much to ask for? Patriot1010 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The SPI "procedure" is to decline baseless reports; as best I can tell, that procedure was followed here. At the top of the WP:SPI page says: "An investigation can only be opened if your evidence clearly shows, from suspicious Wikipedia edits, that two or more users (or different IP editors) seem likely to have the same operator and to be breaching our sock-puppetry policy." (emphasis in the original). Note the "from suspicious Wikipedia edits" part; not only is there no provision for special handling of private evidence, there is an explicit requirement for public evidence to provide sufficient cause for a checkuser request. I'd recommend someone close this section; nothing good will come of it. Writ Keeper (t + c) 16:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, thank you for supporting my case, since the evidence of "that two or more users (or different IP editors) seem likely to have the same operator and to be breaching our sock-puppetry policy." is contained in the private, off wiki information - thus closing this would violate what you just said, and then we would have a prematurely closed SPI case, and a prematurely closed ANI case. Patriot1010 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then you've totally ignored what I said. In order to open an SPI, there must be public evidence pointing to the likelihood that sockpuppetry is happening. The page says that, if you have private evidence, you need to email it to the Checkusers and wait for further instructions, not open a lengthy SPI replete with vague references to private information and then complain that it was closed for lack of actual evidence. Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[edit conflict] Procedure says that we don't reopen investigations that have been denied because of impossibility. Nyttend (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, one cannot check impossibility until the IPs and ISP IPs are checked, as well as the other information. Patriot1010 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Friendly advice from a fellow editor. I'm not an admin, but I try to behave as one. Patrior1010, I'd like to suggest that you immediately drop the WP:STICK and back away. Looking at your contributions (starting around March 14th) I see a pattern of behavior where you lash out at anybody who is offering you advice. This pattern has been played out many times as Suicide by Admin and is a poor way to end your wiki-editing career. You've had multiple highly trusted and vetted editors look at your complaints, look at your edits, and look at your evidence and only a "No, that's not puppetry". What you appear to be doing is conducting a campaign of harassment against RolandR. So before you respond further please read the pages regarding sock pupptetry, signs of sockpuppetry, and Wikipedia:CheckUser before you make any further accusations as I see a very short wiki-future for you if you do not immediately desist from these accusations and make a very significant and comprehensive apology to RolandR, the Checkuser team, and this board for wasting our time. Hasteur (talk) 17:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Patriot1010's stated reason for editing Wikipedia is to pursue "disputes against those of liberal bias, as well as pursuing liberal sockpuppets, meatpuppets, and countering liberal 'senior editor' vandalism, harrassment, and NPOV via WP:GAME." If that's not an explicit declaration of intent to use Wikipedia as an ideological battleground, I'm not sure what is. His decision to treat a garden-variety content dispute as a massive sockpuppet conspiracy perhaps makes more sense in this context. MastCellTalk 17:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This comment may be of interest. Patriot1010 is picking up some bad habits. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A comment here; as Hasteur points out Patriot1010's behaviour seems to have changed recently. This wild connecting of dots and conspiracy theories is, as far as I can see, out of keeping with past contributions and approaches. I've seen this sort of thing before in the real world, and so wonder if we might actually need to show some compassion for somebody who may not currently be quite himself. Slp1 (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't say that. I simply picked a date in their recent history when they became active again. Wikipedia is not therapy. I'm only showing a trend in the recent time frame that is significantly below the standards expected. Hasteur (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to remind some of WP:SPI: "All users are expected to focus only on evidence of sock policy breach and its analysis. Disruptive conduct may lead to removal from the case pages." Patriot1010 (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't SPI, this is ANI, so I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything at all. Seriously, can someone close this? Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's play a little game. Take a look at MastCell's link above. Substitute every "conservative" in Patriot's comment for "Christian" and every "liberal" for atheist. Then ask yourself how many minutes it would take such an editor to get blocked for soapboxing. Editor is clearly here to pursue his own political agenda and not to build an encyclopaedia. Basalisk inspect damageberate 17:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Romantic Realist

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Romantic Realist (talk · contribs) is one of the many SPAs that the Ping Fu/Bend, Not Break articles has attracted, and is one of the most persistent. They are very clearly violating critical principles, such as WP:NPOV, and have been reverted and told this so many times it's untrue. Some of their edit summaries show how clearly that they're WP:NOTHERE to do anything other than disparage Ping Fu.

  • [228] - edit summary that is clearly a personal attack on Fu, as is the edit. Was a reinstatement of [229].
  • [230][231] - inappropriately placed links that have nothing to do with the article (I haven't evaluated any of the links, but that's because they're irrelevant to the article at present)
  • [232] - using article space as a talk page, with a personal attack against Fu again
  • [233][234] - adding hate site link in (plus inappropriate comment for an article in the latter)
  • [235] - the original "expansion" of the Bend, Not Break article - one big attack page.

One look at this user's contributions shows one sole edit outside the talk or article space of these two: and that edit was solely about Bend, Not Break on a user's talk page. This user needs indeffing under WP:NOTHERE, and the nature of the anti-Fu brigade means it may be worth running a CheckUser as well (although a lot of accounts may be stale by now). I'm sick to death of having to police this article against the constant weasel words and WP:NPOV-violating edits by the anti-Fu brigade. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unsurprisingly, they've yet again tried to push that comment [236] - this time accusing me of a COI! The sooner we're rid of this user the better, I think. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just sent a request for suppression to Oversight. I also included a link to this ANI. Fearofreprisal (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • They've also used their IP at times to circumvent suspicion: [237] is IDENTICAL to the COI accusation/personal attack I just removed from the talk of Bend, Don't Break: [238]. So they're clearly socking as well (that IP has been used previously by them). Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Questionable edits and legal threats at Illegal immigration to the United States

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I have indefinitely blocked User:Nanoatzin for making legal threats in connection with the article on Illegal immigration to the United States. This editor claimed the article was grossly biased in ways that violated the WMF's status as a tax-exempt charitable organization; he made a huge set of questionable changes to the article; and he stated that he would notify the IRS and US government officials if his changes were reverted.

I notified Nanoatzin that his comments were in violation of WP:NLT and told him he must agree to withdraw his threatening remarks before he can be unblocked. I also reverted the article to the condition it was in prior to Nanoatzin's lengthy round of changes. I am reporting my actions here at WP:ANI so that other admins can keep an eye on this situation, and also to give others a chance to reverse what I did in the (hopefully unlikely) event that they believe I overreacted. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 06:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good block. A totally in-your-face legal threat. The guy's been here a couple of years, and should know better. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, good block. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The diff for Nanoatzin's inform government officials statement (beginning with "I WILL inform ...") is diff. Meets WP:NLT. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bad block. How is "I WILL inform senators, representative, IRS, and DoE if an administrator removes any of my contributions when the edit may support a political agenda on this topic" a legal threat? User was being a dick, but then block for that. User did not threaten litigation. There was no legal threat here. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
An attempt to intimidate editors by employing threats of action by agents of the government. Good block. Tiderolls 14:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone please note that I have sent a "heads-up" e-mail to legal (at) wikimedia.org about this issue. And while I'm not that terribly concerned about someone threatening to write their Senators and Congressperson about allegedly biased writing on Wikipedia, a threat to challenge the WMF's tax-exempt status by "notifying" the IRS of actions supposedly in violation of the rules for charitable organizations is most definitely a "legal" threat IMO. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't get my head around this "threat". The main point seems to be "As an administrator, Wikipedia and you have entered into a fiduciary agreement that means anything that you do on behalf of the organization WILL compromise US charity status for the entire organization." Apparently Nanoatzin has the idea that admins are paid by the WMF and this is somehow against US law. Sounds like an accusation of WP:PAID to me. I don't think that admins are paid, but aren't charities allowed to pay their employees? Everything else is legalese / gibberish.--Auric talk 20:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He was alleging that the content of the article (before he "corrected" it) constituted biased partisan political advocacy — something which tax-exempt charitable organizations are not allowed to engage in under US tax law. His "fiduciary agreement" verbiage meant that since admins are (supposedly) acting on behalf of the WMF, our actions in supporting this (in his view) objectionable content in Wikipedia articles reflect negatively on the WMF and jeopardize its tax-exempt status. And, as I said earlier, he vowed to inform the IRS (and other federal government people, but the IRS is what matters most here) of these supposed violations. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 21:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Malleus_Fatuorum has a vendetta against editors who use tags

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Can someone please reaffirm that tagging is a legitimate way of bringing attention to a problem that you are unable or uncomfortable fixing yourself? A thread at the village pump has devolved (on his side) to a series of personal attacks, that really crosses the line IMO. After a certain point, nearly every message from Malleus includes a personal attack or some form of hostility. Here they are in order:

  • [240]: Editors who use tags are lazy and incompetent
  • [241]: Edit summary calls tags "defacement", and taggers are lazy
  • [242]: Calling me incompetent some inspired condescension: "Your suggested approach is rather like scribbling on the pages of a textbook you can't understand, rather asking the author (or your teacher) to explain."
  • [243]: Using tags is "spray tagging grafifit"
  • [244]: Calling me "inexperienced" (My first edit was 5 years ago)
  • [245]: Tagging is "complaining" and I haven't learned anything in 3 years.
  • [246]: Accusing me of sock puppetry
  • [247]: Dismissing contributions by "taggers"

I feel like I'm being flamed in a halo forum or something. I think he needs to understand that this sort of behavior is not acceptable. PraetorianFury (talk) 17:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User notified here. PraetorianFury (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Not seeing much of what I'd consider personal attacks there. I do see some other interesting behavior there, but nothing that I'd consider an actual personal attack. More like two people with strong points of view. Intothatdarkness 17:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A Village Pump thread that was more heat than light begets an ANI thread that will be more heat than light. And so the cycle continues. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
These are more "impersonal attacks" than anything. They're certainly even less useful than Malleus claims the tags themselves are. Malleus also ought to know better, and as honorary holder of the Peter Damian chair of Wisest Person on WP, I wish he'd use some of that infamous wisdom a bit more positively. Don't take it personally (Malleus is an equal opportunity critic), but nothing is going to come of this on either side. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why is this being brought up here? Just stop creating tags and instead voice your concern in a talk page; that's what they're for! Problem solved, can we close this one now? Dusty 💬 You can help! 18:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree on your first point. Tags are perfectly legitimate tools in article maintenance, and none of the diffs provided in the OP contains any reasonable objection against them. Still, I don't see what the purpose of this ANI thread is for either. One editor is against tags. So what? That is his problem, and any actions taken in the future based on that personal opinion against Wikipedia policy surely will result in approbriate sanctions. --Saddhiyama (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) You need to read more closely. I'm objecting specifically to PraetorianFury's proposal to move the {{deadlink}} template into the body of the text, as opposed to where it is now, next to the citation. Malleus Fatuorum 18:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I want to establish that comments that, for example, call users a transexual teenager in Sudan are completely inappropriate. So I guess a comment from an admin on his talk page with the hope of improving his future behavior. Wikipedia sanctions are preventative after all. But it seems the community's sanity is overwhelmed by their outrage at having a few inline citations in their articles. PraetorianFury (talk) 18:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You don't even seem to understand what an inline citation actually is. Malleus Fatuorum 19:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And let's be very clear about this. I haven't called anyone a "transexual teenager from Sudan", and neither has anyone else. MalleusFatuorum 19:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I stated that it's better to just state a problem at ANI, and let somebody else propose to give an ultimatum to Malleus or call for blocking him. I apologize for my having suggested that an editor wanting to cause trouble for MF create another (even more sympathetic) sock account..., but since it has been referred to I cannot remove it.... Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Cause trouble for MF" ? Is he your boss or something? Are you allies, promising to attack eachother's enemies? Have we devolved on Wikipedia to the point of tribalism? PraetorianFury (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have I stumbled on some grand conspiracy in Wikipedia? So now we're going to say that calling users incompetent and lazy is not a personal attack? Am I the last sane person alive here? Suddenly the well precedented practice of tagging problems that cannot be immediately fixed is some grave insult against the page's "owner" ? No, I'm not going to take issues to the talk page where they can be ignored, while our readers continue to be misled. Problems should be identified immediately and publicly so that users are appropriately skeptical of information. Why am I the only person who values honesty? Why is everyone more concerned with looking right than being right? I can't believe this. I thought Wikipedia editors were better than this. It seems that misinformation we spread is not due to unintentional neglect but deliberate obfuscation. PraetorianFury (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Two things here: the linked comment (regarding the teenager in Sudan) was not made by Malleus Fatuorum. Number two - so if we don't agree with your position we're members of a grand conspiracy? Fascinating. Intothatdarkness 19:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you're so determined to discourage the use of tags that you'll take the ludicrous position that calling users incompetent is not a personal attack, there must be some ulterior motive. PraetorianFury (talk) 19:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No ulterior motive, actually. Just saying that I saw nothing in that linked thread that was more personal or incendiary than any normal research faculty meeting. In fact, it was far more civil than some of those meetings can be. People not agreeing with you (here I mean your statement that there were personal attacks in that linked discussion) does not automatically make them part of a conspiracy. In fact, some might consider your accusations of conspiracy and ludicrous positions to be personal attacks. I'm not one of them, but am simply pointing out a flaw in your position. Intothatdarkness 19:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're trolling so hard it would be funny if you weren't harming the encyclopedia in the process. I think 4chan or reddit would be a more appropriate forum for your hobby. I won't be responding to your messages anymore until I see one that isn't clearly a joke. PraetorianFury (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now that's just funny. And I think it puts a nice closing point on the value of this complaint. Intothatdarkness 19:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PraetorianFury has been editing since January, but is the latest in a long line of sophisticated ingénues. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Such a thorough investigation that ignores editing by IP and under another account. PraetorianFury (talk) 19:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The way to actually address a problem with an article is to edit the article, not to put a random tag on it. In practice, almost all maintenance tags are ignored. Moreover, the large number of tags placed for trivial issues obscures the smaller number of serious issues that ought to be brought to editors' attention. Because maintenance tags are of such extremely limited practical value, it is unfortunate that we encourage well-meaning editors to go through adding them to articles. The more clearly that message can be passed along, the better. — Carl (CBM · talk) 19:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are two purposes to a tag, the first is to elicit a fix from editors watching the article. The second is the reason the tags are public, and that is to warn users to be more suspicious and skeptical of the tagged material. In low traffic articles, no one is watching. We can expect that problems mentioned on the talk page will never be addressed. Editors responsible for their creation might no longer be editing. Tags are an invitation for browsers, particularly experts who stumble upon them, to fix them. I'm not saying tags are the first or best option. My problem solving starts with a good faith attempt to fix the problem. But there are times when I want to preserve content, but do not believe it should be consumed by our readers without skepticism. If I can't fix it myself, I tag it, for our readers and for the next editor months or years in the future. It's great that you think every article has an army of editors waiting to pounce on every problem that might be mentioned, but this is not the case. There are millions of articles and only a few thousand editors, maybe less if you only consider "very active" editors. Low traffic articles are read but not maintained or supervised. More people read the article than the talk page. A problem that is identified publicly is more likely to be fixed.
Additionally, I'm not talking about putting a driveby NPOV tag on an entire section. Specifically, contentious material sourced to dead links, or controversial subjects far low down in the "tree" on a particular subject. These will often be edited by one editor, and with no oversight, they are free to insert their POV as strongly as they desire. Similarly, browsers like me who choose to edit it, will have no resistance but also no help. I do read things on which I am not an expert, for fun. I can't tell you why Pope Martin IV excommunicated Michael VIII in the 13th century, but that doesn't mean that I can't identify poorly phrased/ambiguous sentences, or see when an IP has insert their own original research. I fix it when I can, but when I'm unsure, I tag it for the next browser, and for our users. Does this make me a villain? Acknowledging the limitations of our thinly stretched userbase? There is a purpose to tags, as contentious as the battles as you've had must have been. On the fringes of Wikipedia, it's the only protection users have against potentially misleading information. You do not get to close this issue with a recommendation to deny that to them. PraetorianFury (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I request that I be blocked.

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I refuse to be treated like crap. Can someone please block me? I do not wish to participate in this project any more. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then don't participate, you don't need to be blocked for that. Malleus Fatuorum 18:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you're serious about wanting to be blocked, you need to apply to an administrator willing to consider placing self-requested blocks. Bishonen talk 18:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Strong oppose per WP:HORSE. Partial funding for this event has been provided by the WikiMedia Foundation. Please send all additional donations to the Arbitration Committee. Vegan foie gras and sashimi gratefully accepted. No flowers by request. Mathsci (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer. Ryan Vesey 18:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as retirement is the best route for that. There's no drama to it. GoodDay (talk) 18:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Opposed. I don't think we should block an editor except when a) there's due cause, or b) we've completed the encyclopedia.Dusty 💬 You can help! 18:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The spirit is willing, but the bit is weak. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Disruptive editing continues on List of Adventure Time characters

I brought this up last week, but it seems to have gotten swept under the rug. In short, User 321Wikiman keeps adding information to the article with a bogus source. Talking/leaving a message on his page has done no good, and he continues to do it. Please help.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 19:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, 321Wikiman shouldn't be edit warning and almost violating the three-revert rule for starters. In fact, the bold, revert, discuss essay should probably be followed here. TBrandley 20:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've notified the editor in question again. TBrandley 20:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delivered a {{uw-vand4}} notice to the user and made it explicitly clear what the next step will be if the user doesn't conform to BRD. Hasteur (talk) 21:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive activity from IP range at Vevo article

An editor active over the 208.54 IP range, mainly 208.54.36, has been repeatedly edit-warring in this tendentious unsourced change. The IP has said this is being done for the purpose of using Wikipedia as a soapbox against Vevo and attacked one of the editors removing it during the talk page discussion while refusing to back up the material with reliable sources. Article was already semi-protected for three days and IP has been warned about the edit-warring, yet continues to revert. Given that the disruptive activity from the IP-hopping editor extends to the talk page I think semi-protection and an anon-only range block are necessary.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The main IPs at issue are 208.54.36.151 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 208.54.36.149 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (the 151 IP having already been blocked for 31 hours due to repeated blanking of an editor's user page), but the disruptive editing appears to have also originated from 208.54.32.229, 208.54.32.189, 208.54.36.183, and 208.54.36.150.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have semi-protected the article for one week. You can also request protection at WP:RFPP in the future. Normally talk pages are not protected except in extreme cases, which this is not. -- Dianna (talk) 00:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Protection is one thing, but the editor on this IP range is another part of the problem. This individual is just taking the issue to another article.--The Devil's Advocatetlk. cntrb. 03:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will see if a range block is possible and will get back to you shortly. -- Dianna (talk) 03:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The edits are coming from a tight range but there's other people doing good edits from the range. It's mostly vandalism though, so I will do a 3-day range block on 208.54.36.128/26. -- Dianna (talk) 03:29, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:142.179.233.65 persistant vandalism

User keeps vandalizing articles by the insertion of factual errors and persists despite warnings.

Deliberate insertion of factual errors at Lac La Biche, Alberta:

  • 1 by 172.219.165.61, sock of 142.179.233.65
  • 2 by 108.181.44.47, suspected sock of 142.179.233.65
  • 3 by same IP above
  • 4 by 142.179.233.65
  • 5 by 142.179.233.65
  • 6 by 142.179.233.65
  • 7 by 142.179.233.65 (third in 24 hours, I've withheld reverting per WP:3RR)

Warning diffs re: vandalism at Lac La Biche, Alberta:

Three warnings from others re: other articles between level 2 and level 3 warnings above:

Contribution comparisons of subject editor and other IPs:

Bottom line is user has been unresponsive to warnings placed on talk page in terms of actions or discussion. Hwy43 (talk) 02:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I reopened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/142.179.233.65.--Scaldjosh (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One IP geolocates to Edm, and one to Ft Mc Murray. It could be the same guy, someone who works in the oilpatch and commutes. A sockpuppet report will not tell us any more than we already know. The best way to stop the problem is with some page protection. I will protect the article for a week to start and will watch-list the article. -- Dianna (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have decided to block 142.179.233.65 as well, because they were introducing factual errors into other articles as well, such as Mötley Crüe. The other two IPs do not have any recent edits. -- Dianna (talk) 03:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Premature Closure????

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A moment ago, I was admonished for prematurely closing AFDs.

I just happened to come across these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CLA_Building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Neutra_VDL_Studio_and_Residences

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Desert_Studies_Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Southern_California_Marine_Institute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/W._K._Kellogg_Arabian_Horse_Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bronco_Student_Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cal_Poly_Pomona_Broncos_men%27s_basketball

--Scaldjosh (talk) 09:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And those were nominated by a block-evading sockpuppet account; as bad-faith nominations, those were speedy closed, by an admin under WP:SK2. Your closures ([249], [250], [251]) were inappropriate non-admin closures of disccusions that were not clearly bad-faith, and in one case you attempted to undo the reversion of your inappropriate close ([252]). My advice (given that you just came off an unrelated block) would be to take a deep breath, and simply edit for awhile, instead of doing things like this. - The BushrangerOne ping only 10:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I've notified the admin who closed those of this discussion, which you failed to do. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am not blaming anyone. I don't think that these were sour grapes because:

1. These were nominated for deletion with valid reasons (Some are only one-line atricles while others don't 've any references)

2. The articles were not vandalised or nominated for speedy deletion. The nominations were closed within 30 minutes and the result was based on one or two votes.

3. Since the nominations did not get reverted, I believe that other Wikipedians should 've a chance to voice their opinions before a judgement is passed. Wikipedia is a democratic encyclopedia--Scaldjosh (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A saying, the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime Scaldjosh blocked as a sockpuppet of Mangoeater1000. Elockid (Talk) 13:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Enbionycaar

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‎Enbionycaar (talk · contribs)

Obviously the same guy who edit-warred as an IP over Germanic peoples so that it finally had to be indef-protected. Though he was advised by an uninvolved editor to seek consensus and discuss the issue, said user now created a fork and wants to war a link to his fork into the article. Maybe just clueless, but definitely disruptive, esp. since he refuses to participate in ongoing discussions. The main goal seems to be to avoid them. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

why are you always lying about me not posting on the talkpages if you look at them am involved in all of them and that germanic peoples modern article was not a fork since most of the text is not included in the original article and it was requested by another user at the germanic peoples talkpage Enbionycaar (talk) 09:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I ask uninvolved editors to examine the talkpage and the level of "involvement" and actual conversation by/with this editor. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This issue appears to be about the time scope of the Germanic peoples article. One side wants to limit the time scope of the article so that the term "Germanic peoples" is limited to when certain people were organized by tribes - a time before when nation states such as German, Norway, Sweden, etc. existed and not "to any group after the Germanic polities had evolved into mediaeval states by the end of the 1st millennium AD," so that term "Germanic peoples" is not normally applied to anything later than the Early Middle Ages. The other side wants to extend time scope the Germanic peoples article to cover "modern nation states with Germanic languages." Enbionycaar recently created Germanic peoples (modern) (now at AfD). I edited the AfD to remove a bad faith accusation[253] and posted a note on Seb_az86556's talk page.[254] Looking at the Germanic peoples talk page and its archives, this appears to be a long term dispute in which editors have not been able to resolve and move on. As a formal discussion, the AfD might bring closure to this issue so editors can move on. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
AGF is not a suicide pact. The point is that people would welcome participation in said discussion, and have asked for input numerous times; one editor, Enbionycaar, flat-out refuses to participate. How do you deal with someone who will simply not engage in conversation? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See? Now what? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
i simply reverted your unconstructive edits Enbionycaar (talk) 17:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My point exactly. "I simply revert" is all you ever do. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 17:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
you are not following good faith policies and you lie alot Enbionycaar (talk) 17:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you strike that (use <s></s>). Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it's worth noting, it's clear that Ebionycaar made a series of 10 edits to his user page to bypass the semiprotection on Germanic peoples (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views).—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with that? i just wanted to edit so i did so per wp:policies of waiting 4 days and making 10 edits Enbionycaar (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seb_az86556

(was separate section opened by Enbionycaar. Consolidated)

this user stalks me on a all my edits and makes lies about "how i NEVER discuss my edits" he is edit warring himself by the way without following basic wikipedia guidelines like good faith and wp:civil and wp:3rr so can someone look on his non constructive editing Enbionycaar (talk) 17:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[255] Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[256] Enbionycaar (talk) 17:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What's your point posting that link? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 17:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is yours Enbionycaar (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Read it. It shows your use of talkpages. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 18:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) As far as I'm concerned, Enbionycaar, your the one who is being disruptive here. Seb's edits are clearly constructive to the article and you are being unreasonable. In any case, you should both see the bold, revert, discuss essay who has some helpful tips and do notedit war. Use Wikipedia's talk pages and discuss, that's the general convention. How is Seb stalking here anyways? TBrandley 18:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
what do you mean? he repeatedly revering all my edits so he is also obviosly edit warring Enbionycaar (talk) 18:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm on fire today. Another sockpuppet blocked. That's Chaosname (talk · contribs) if anybody's wondering. Elockid (Talk) 18:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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New User:Unotretre sock?

Socks gonna sock. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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A new account has appeared at Freeboard (skateboard) and is already at 3RR trying to spam the company Gravitis into the article again (again!). Anyone who remembers the case will know the company name in question and the extensive history. For a start, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Unotretre/Archive. I'll start another SPI but Gravitis-related socks have a long history at the article. Can we either block the new sock for socking, EW or NOTHERE or protect the article, please? He's already accusing me of vandalism for reverting his obviously unsourced promo. Stalwart111 11:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As written in my user discussion page, I had seen this, but I know also they are in faith and all was born because Freebord considers 'freeboard' a mispelling of their company name, but here and in Italy the inventor of freeboard as a sport is considered dr Aldo Grippaldi. I give reason to Gravitis, you can see the patent US Patent, google 6,419,249 B1 after that of Steen Strand here and the real 'freeboard' in Italian Government database. Gravitis and Aldo Grippaldi are in total faith, his company is respectable and you have edited this without checking what Broox of Grippaldi Aldo says from a long time. Hard to be one against all, but they are in right, Europeans know it. I ACCUSED YOU OF VANDALISM AS YOU CANCELED MY REAL INFORMATIONS ABUOT THE PATENS HISTORY, WITH DOCUMENTED DATES, PLEASE DO NOT CANCEL MY REAL DATA. I simply briefed what it's evident to all us, and Gravitis was forced to be considered in faul by many here, but if they showed their patent from the beginning they would not be wrongly in blacklist as you write, absolutely. The 'freeboard' patents is done by Aldo grippaldi, as that Patent by Steen Strand was bypassed by the other US patent by Chen. The inventor of the 'freeboard' term and the sport of freeboard is Aldo Grippaldi with his all-in-trucks-design patent. This was obstaculated in every way here. But the real thing is there, written in clear dates of their patents. --Firmone (talk) 11:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you want to remove reliably sourced and verifiable history and replace it with WP:OR-based spam in exactly the same manner as previous Unotretre socks whose only purpose here was to promote Gravitis. This has all been explained. Stalwart111 11:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know who you are and why you have done so many revisions in favour of Freebord, I'll stay at facts are: you can not say the US Government Patent search is not verificable, this is false, google that or search the Government websites. The italian one in Italian Goverment as well. To me and to European riders, Gravitis or Aldo has not destroied any reputation, because they tried to revert an unjustice, and defamation here, you should remove Gravitis from the black list, and regarding the fact Aldo Grippaldi was not sourced and the magazines he listed were not sourced to you, just see what legenday men he is and still represent for the WR skateboarding, scrollo down the right column dates http://www.facebook.com/RollerCoasterLuge Being said, please RETRIEVE YOUR REQUEST TO BLOCK MY ACCOUNT as I only reported what is known. --Firmone (talk) 11:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The editor is back inside 24 hours with a new account - User:Fb rider (edit talk history links watch logs) - again at Freeboard (skateboard). Obvious evasion is obvious. Stalwart111 21:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and between the two accounts he is now at 8RR or something, trying to spam yet more promotion of Gravitis into the article. Stalwart111 21:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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IP Complaint

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I spotted newbie/IP Complaining about dead links. Can we get‎ Sandstein to block him? Tommy Pinball (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Pgg804

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I am concerned at this account, which appears to be used mainly for posting antisemitic smears and personal attacks. I first came across him/her with this edit on Talk:Noam Chomsky, where he claims that antisemitic attacks by Germans on Jews were actually evidence of "Jewish anti-German hatred". I removed this soapboxing, to be met with this response, in which s/he repeats the original claim, throws in a gratuitous and irrelevant about Israeli brutality in Gaza, and then talks about "people of your sort". Looking at this editor's other edits, I found this edit claiming that concentration camp deaths were the result of allied bombing of pharmaceutical factories; this edit claiming Jews "ratcheted up hatred" of Nazi Germany, and drawing a parallel with Shylock; this edit claiming that Wikipedia is "run by Christian hating Jews."; this edit clainming that "Wikipedia is a Jewish Website. It's owned and run by Jews. In regards to WW II history its primary goal, like that of powerful Jewish organizations, is to focus on Jewish suffering, attack anyone who questions their version of what happened and minimize the suffering of everyone else by simply ignoring it"; this edit claiming that the US government "is run by a Jewish elite to advance the interests of Israel and Jews" and many similar charming remarks. Since our first encounter, Pgg has continued to make antisemitic edits.[257][258] The most recent edit was this one yesterday, stating that "The Anti-Defamation league is a racist organization dedicated to promoting the advancement of Jews over others. They promote anti-Arab, anti-German, anti-European, anti-Islamic and anti-Christian attitudes. They do not believe in freedom of speech and use hate speech towards those whose opinions they don't like. Along with AIPAC, they are a key driving force behind the wars, propaganda and hatred towards Muslim countries and the murders that take place in countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc. They believe Jews are the "chosen people" and the country they are loyal to is Israel."

The more I look into this user's edits, the more antisemitic remarks I find.[259][260][261][262][263] and many more. In fact, just take any edit at random. In short, I do not believe that Pgg804 is here to improve this encyclopaedia, but rather to use it as a platform for spreading antisemitic lies and propaganda, holocaust denial and apologia for Nazi Germany. Could an admin please look at this and take appropriate action. RolandR (talk) 17:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While editors can choose to edit on any subject of their choosing, this is uncivil POV pushing. I'd support a block, all of their edits appear to be soapboxing, not an effort to create a neutral encyclopedia. James086Talk 18:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • These are clear examples of WP:NOTHERE and WP:NPA. This style of interaction and tendentious editing is unacceptable. - MrX 18:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stop x nuvola with clock.svg User(s) blocked.. indefinitely. I don't see any need to discuss this at all, it is glaringly obvious what they are here to do, it isn't anything good. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Disruptive edits, incivility and racist remarks by Ozan192

Ozan192 is stating racist remarks and spreading disruptive activity throughout Turkey/Kurdish/Armenian related articles which is fueled by a severe case of battlefield mentality.

  • That's Ozan192 (talk · contribs), and I have to agree with Proudbolsahye. Ozan obviously does not assume good faith, routinely labels people whose opinions he dislikes "irredentist nationalists", claims sources such as the BBC, Encyclopedia Britannica, the British Journal of Middle Eastern Studies, and a book published by Oxford University Press "dead and unreliable", and generally has a battleground mentality. Even when he has a point, such as with the removal of unsourced Kurdish place names, his attitude makes it very hard to work constructively with him, and since he simply labels sources that may be present as "biased", I don't think the lack of sources is really what his campaign is about. Huon (talk) 02:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have blocked the user indefinitely. The personal attacks and the WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality are extreme. One cannot simply dismiss all sources from a certain country/ethnicity as inherently biased. While the person can appeal the block, they'll need to show a 100% change in their attitude to begin editing again. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Moving user talk to article talk page

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User:Candicell moved his/her talk page to the talk page for an article in the main space Talk:Dr. Adil Ramzan. The article was also created by user and has subsequently been deleted. How do you revert this type of move? I'm also unable to warn the editor as the talk page no longer exists since the redirect talk page has been deleted. Further instructions or action appreciated. EagerToddler39 (talk) 03:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since it was deleted, you need an admin to undelete the deleted talk page, and then it can be moved back to User talk:Candicell just like any other page. I've done this; the talk page should be in its right spot now. Writ Keeper (t + c) 03:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal threat

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In the edit summary[273], "Reverting sabotaged page. We have logged the computer IP numbers and reported to police."

User seems to be a single purpose account showing serious ownership tendencies at Rebound therapy. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 15:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked and explained the policy to User:Paul V Kaye. The thought of police action over this is laughable, but that's not the point. James086Talk 15:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The editor User:Paul V Kaye has been using wikipedia as a host for advertising literature for some time. Dusty 💬 You can help! 16:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Apparently I'm marked by 2channel. Being wiki-stalked, character assassination, wholesale reverts

In regards to User:Moscowconnection. It all started here(I know it's a long read but please look over it). Since then he proceeds to revert my edits outside of the current discussion [274], [275] with zero rationale given. Right now he has hijacked the proposal discussion into some sort of defamation campaign. It's nothing but trying to find dirt on me at this point. He himself admitted that I'm being watched by 2channel [276] link to site [277], and someone over there was requesting an English speaker to help them take care of me or something. Says that I'm " Korean :D"(?) and that I "do evil things in wikipedia :D". Accused me of bullying and that my edits are "tendencious". Constant ad-hominem attacks like this that just come from left-feild. This is just malicious at this point. I swear this guy has some weird vendetta against me. There's obvious POV pushing, that and 2channel has been linked with disruptive canvassing against Korean articles [278] [279] [280]. I'm trying not to reply to this guy at this point. Stateofyolandia (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. I reverted your edits in which you removed reliably sourced information.
  2. I didn't hijack the discussion, I just happen to be here cause I have the talk page in my watchlist. Someone has to defend the K-pop article. There are several other users who expressed their opinions, and the opinions were not favorable of Stateofyolandia's proposal to remove the criticism section and links to C-pop (Chinese pop music) and J-pop (Japanese pop music) from the article.
  3. "Admit"? What did I admit? What do I have to do with a post on 2channel that I found in Google in 1 minute when searched for the user name "Stateofyolandia"?
  4. I never said you were "Korean :D", did "evil things in wikipedia :D", I said it was said on 2channel about you. It was intended to emphasise that some Japanese people think that everyone removing "bad things" :D about Korea from Wikipedia is Korean. I don't have any idea whether Stateofyolandia is Korean, Japanese, Chinese, American, British whatsoever.
  5. The user resorted to defamation and to outright untruthful statements towards the end of the discussion. Yes, I started to think something was not right and started suspecting Stateofyolandia wasn't such a random Wikipedia user as he/she claimed to be, so I looked into his/her edits a little bit more and searched the Internet for the user name. The result was terrifying, I didn't expect such a reaction from someone seemingly new on Wikipedia.
  6. I also don't have any interest in talking to the user, following him/her, whatever. I just think it's time for him/her to stop attempting to trick people into removing reliably sourced info from the K-pop article, even if it says something unfavorable (from his/her point of view) of the music genre. From my point of view, every article should have a criticism section. An article without criticism is not an article. :D

Yes, the admins should look at the thread to see tt. I think I'm facing someone very skillful here. The user doesn't have many edits and said he/she hadn't edited since 2011, but the way he/she knows all the rules is strange a little bit. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I don't really want to continue the discussion with the user. I planned to do other things, but I have to talk and talk and talk to someone who continues trying to delete something, just something from the K-pop article.
I changed my attitude to a more strong opposition towards the end of the discussion at "Talk:K-pop#Some proposals" simply because I thought that if other editors would start to be afraid to improve the controversies section because of Stateofyolandia's proposal, it won't be good for the article. I decided that the best solution would be if the proposal would just be considered failed and everyone would feel absolutely free to improve the article again, whether with favorable or unfavorable to K-pop statements. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stateofyolandia suddenly accused someone named EJcarter of being a sock puppet, this is a really extraodinary behavior for someone who never edits. I don't know but EJcarter in his/her turn compared Stateofyolandia to someone named Historiographer. And I'm not sure, but I found something in Historiographer's edits which suggests that EJcarter may have thought he was someone named Philip126, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Philip126/Archive. I don't know, I don't really want to spend several hours comparing their edits. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:33, 27 March 2013 (UTC)-~[reply]

I am sorry if it is forbidden to discuss a user's behavior on article talk pages as Drmies suggested in this edit. If it is, tell me cause I think that was not the first time I did it and I didn't know. :) --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)`[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Philip126/Archive ←←← But really, just look at this and compare with Stateofyolandia's contributions. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This January 13 edit by Jaws12345 removes one of the paragraphs removed by Stateofyolandia. What's interesting, Jaws12345's contributions are also scattered across several years. It looks like someone's sock puppet. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another interesting editor, Party4321 (contributions). --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive723#User:Quendearn and User:Wlkr999 ←←← A very interesting thread on ANI where a user named Historiographer seems to be concerned with behavior of the same two users Stateofyolandia mentioned here. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(I read it, Historiographer's English is not good, but who knows... People learn...) --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will some sane and uninvolved person (I'm 0 for 2) please say something that puts a stop to this. Just one thing: Moscow Connection, article talk pages exist to talk about articles, not about other editors. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've already stopped, by the way. If it doesn't look right, I won't say a thing here anymore. I was simply investigating and I thought it was useful for Wikipedia, etc. Thank you too. :) --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've found this edit by Stateofyolandia in the Korean Wikipedia: [281]. He posted on Historiographer's talk page (사용자:Ph is Historiographer, their user pages are linked). Therefore, they are not the same person. I apologize to Historiographer for my guess. It did look strange that Stateofyolandia reverted to Historiographer's versions twice: [282], [283], and the latter edit summary was very similar to this: [284]. So EJcarter's hypothesis was not improbable. --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Moscowconnection, you need to stop posting shit here unless someone else says something.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, I saw the linked 2ch post. The original ja is 英語版ウィキペディアの朝鮮の歴史テンプレートで、韓国人が漢四郡を削除して隠蔽しようとします。誰か英語ができる人漢四郡を復帰させて下さい。 and the translation is At en:WP, a Korean editor is trying to remove Four Commanderies of Han from the Korean history template and conceal the fact of it. If there are en speakers, please restore Four Commanderies of Han. There is no accusation at all. I don't understand the OP and Moscow Connection. Oda Mari(talk) 08:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noted to OP that he had been discussed on 2channel. I didn't understand half of the 2channel post, so I just jokingly said "evil things" and went to investigate. I don't have any idea what he thought, but I can see what he wants my words to look like. I added as many smilies as I possibly could: [285]. Seven minutes later I explained to him what "evil" he did: [286]. This was his reply: [287]. He said there had been a discussion to remove Four Commanderies of Han from the template, while actually the user who started the discussion said in the last reply that it was part of Korean history. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Continued person attacks on other user by User:Juddhoward

User:Juddhoward has engaged in personal attacks in his summaries of his edits to the article Pope Francis such as these two "(cur prev) 01:29, 26 March 2013‎ Juddhoward(talk contribs)‎. . (116,411 bytes) (-20)‎ . .(Even a confused mind crammed with incoherent theology should be able to appreciate that "homosexuality" encompasses SSM.) (undo) (cur prev) 01:24, 26 March 2013‎ Juddhoward(talk contribs)‎ . . (116,431 bytes) (+366)‎ . .(Does the good Lord not saying something about cleaving to the truth? The paragraph does not already mention this, my lying, whitewashing friend) (undo)". I brought this up on the talk page and they suggested mentioning it here. I have asked Juddhoward to refrain from personal attacks on other people. In his most recent response on his talk page he essentially accused me of being a potential child molestor because he feels that I am a religious person. I do not think such accusations are in anyway appropriate on wikipedia. He has gone into behavior that strikes me as being totally out of line an inapropriate. He has consistently demonstated a failure to be anywhere near civil in wikipedia discussions. People should not be accused of crimes because of their actual or assumed religious views.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • DoneDrmies (talk) 03:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I had typed up a long and hopefully helpful commentary on his page to try and help him see the light, but lost it in an edit conflict. Ah well. His continuing edit summaries indicate it was probably a vain hope anway as he's on a fast track to TPA revocation. - The BushrangerOne ping only 04:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't you love it when the C- student in Freshman Comp pulls out the thesaurus and overreaches? "With such efficiency and a vacuous life", I take that first part as a compliment and the second part as a wished-for blessing. Drmies (talk) 16:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Legal threat

...in the edit summary:[288] "Slanderous and if posted again legal action will be made." For what it's worth, the content in question has two reliable sources, and is neutrally phrased - not slander, in my opinion. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 14:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • On the basis of WP:DOLT, I had look at that section. Atrocious. Did anyone actually bother to read what was there and check the sources? I removed the second paragraph which was sourced solely to an anonymous gossip column on the Huffington Post, which was quoting this tabloid, which was quoting an anonymous "insider". The second source listed didn't mention Byrne at all. It was a review of a film in which her alleged new boyfriend had appeared. Voceditenore (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sock created with my name

Choyooł'įįhí:Seb az86556 (talk·contribs)


Please delete account admonish user. Thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 20:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Choyooł'įįhí:Seb az86556 is a wp:doppelganger, not a sock. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 is not a registered account. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And why are you my doppelganger? Did I ask you to do that? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 20:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked with extreme prejudice. DMacks (talk) 20:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I reduced the prejudice. But yes, Emmette, that's pretty inappropriate. DMacks (talk) 21:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh really, so now someone else has a password to an account that could be me who is blocked? I want that password. The only reason I even found out was that I happened to see Emmette's contribs; didn't even bother to tell me. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 21:03, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There was a tiny difference in the apostrophes, it seems; Choyooł'įįhí:Seb az86556 (talk·contribs) was the "real" impostor, and Im not sure how Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 (talk·contribs) figures into it but it is not an actual user, impostor or otherwise. It seems that Emmette Hernandez Coleman created the account, thinking he was doing you a favor, and there was a misunderstanding because he didn't tell you. So I hope we can all understand and forgive and forget now. Soap 21:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No. I want the password. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 21:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's up to you and Emmette to discuss, but I warn you both now that posting passwords on-wiki is grounds for immediate account blocking as a security risk (and to answer a variation, it's not possible for anyone *else* to look up that password if Emmette declines to give it to you him/herself). The account is indef'ed with talkpage access disabled, so there's no use for it. DMacks (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What kinda bullshit is that? Someone holds the password to my name. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 21:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Consider this: anyone who tries that not-actually-your-account right now is not actually you, so the person doing them is liable to be blocked. And whoever has that password is powerless to use it anyway (even if you had it yourself). Your best bet is to leave it alone, and avoid taking on the risk of using a tainted account. Alternately, you can discuss off wiki whatever you two want regarding trying to use a blocked account. DMacks (talk) 21:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[edit conflict] The account's blocked, and nobody's going to unblock it; Emmette couldn't do anything with the account even if he wanted to. Nyttend (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rename resquested. Leave it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 21:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)I created the account to keep Seb from being impersonated, that's why I used the {{doppelganger-other}} tag. I don't see how that is inappropriate, if it is why do we have the {{doppelganger-other}} tag? Seb, I don't hold password to your name, I used a radioum password that I never bothered to record. Even if I did it would be a major improvement over the previous sutetion where everyone with an Internet connection held your name, no password necessary. had I routinely create these doppelganger accounts, and nothing ever came of it before. I used to inform people when I cerated a doppelganger for them, but then I realized that someone might see one of those messages and get the idea to create an imposer account, which is exactly what I'm trying to prevent. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Completely inappropriate; you might come from a culture where names do not matter; handling someone else's name or names without their permission is the highest possible offense. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 21:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of us come from such a culture, and many or most people reading this thread (me, for example) had no clue that Navajo culture was different; it would be unreasonable to expect EHC to act differently in your case from other people's cases. Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no good reason to create doppelganger accounts for other users. I've nominated that template for deletion. RyanVesey 21:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. It would be reasonable to expect that no-one does this kinda shit for whatever reason. Who the fuck is this user to usurp some sorta managing position like that??? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 21:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there some reason for the foul language? We get it that you are pissed off. Swearing doesn't help your cause it seems.--Malerooster (talk) 23:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If there was ever a good reason for using the word fuck...this would be it. This is an odd sort of thread. What is going on exactly that a user's name is being used in this manner. I think Seb should be allowed to usurp that name in some manner so that it may never be used again.--Amadscientist (talk) 00:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's the point, there is NO good reason for foul language here. All it shows is ignorance and immaturity. --Malerooster (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We don't censor editors and when there appears to be a reaction that anyone could understand, why would you care that the word was used? Incivility isn't a matter of the use of a single word...its how it is used.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, He can swear all he wants to, and it's up to him to decide whether or not he cares about what others may think. Chamal TC 12:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a serious lack of WP:AGF here. Emmette clearly didn't mean to cause any damage by doing this: he thought he was doing something good in order to protect other users, he broke no rule (and even used a template created explicitly for this purpose), and he intended to help the project, not damage it. Yes, perhaps it was a bit too presumptuous of him to do this, perhaps it was a tad inappropriate, and perhaps he should have notified Seb that he'd done this (in fact, he definitely should have), but ultimately he was acting in good faith, and there has been no damage caused. Perhaps a trout is in order for Emmette, but that's about it. – Richard BB 13:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other account creations

Emmette Hernandez Coleman has apparently created a number of alternate accounts for other users. The account above was clearly not created at the user's request, so I question whether any of the others were requested. At least a few of these are rather inappropriate, and while probably well-intentioned, these account creations should stop. —DoRD (talk) 21:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)They weren't requested. I understand Seb, as that seems to be a cross-cultural issue, but otherwise I don't see how it's inappropriate. Before I registered then any potential impostor could have registered and used them. Now that I have, no one, not even I, can use them (they all have scrambled passwords). If this is inappropriate, why do we even have the {{Doppelganger-other}} tag? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated that for deletion. Ryan Vesey 21:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't make me exotic or whatever. There are numerous people who wouldn't want you or anyone else to do this, just like they wouldn't want you to cover their house with mirror-sheets so it saves energy and lowers their electricity bill. You just don't do that kinda stuff. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 22:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Best place to add comment, I guess. Totally agree that I would go completely ballistic if someone set up a "friendly" doppleganger account for me, no I'm not Navajo (peace to the nation in passing), live in Europe but take any kind of ID usurpation very badly, well-intended or not. Also, WTF, the user is entitled to let off steam and, for fuck's sake say fuck, if they are really pissed about a really serious issue, such as having one's identity ripped-off. To quote God knows who, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
None of this makes any sense. Don't we have the account creator right for users who are trusted to do this? If Coleman isn't an account creator, he needs to agree to stop immediately. Since he doesn't understand why people have a problem with this, he should be given a restriction. Viriditas (talk) 00:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking as someone who has had the account-creator rights for use on the unblock-en mailing list, it just lets you skirt the 6 accounts per day limit or whatever the number is. -- ۩ Mask 08:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's no point continuing this argument here at ANI. Wikipedia policy doesn't say that a doppelganger account cannot be created by one user on behalf of another. Therefore Emmette's actions (which were clearly done in good faith) are technically not wrong. Personally I feel this is inappropriate, but my personal opinion doesn't really matter for this discussion. The issue on the template is being handled separately at TFD already, and if anybody thinks a change in policy is required you can propose it at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) or any other appropriate location, but ANI is not the place. ChamalTC 12:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I should also mention that account creators do create doppelgangers for other users if and when requested. IIRC I have created a couple myself when I was an account creator before I got the admin tools, although it doesn't happen often as far as I know (although I don't really know anything about the present situation). Chamal TC 14:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Emmette, if you are going to create dopplegangers on behalf of other users (though I very strongly suggest you don't, as there is zero reason to), at least have the manners to notify them in future. GiantSnowman 15:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. I see messages up above saying User:Choyooł'įįhí:Seb az86556 is blocked, but I see no indications of that in that User's block log. RNealK (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The account has been renamed, so there is currently no user with that name. --Carnildo (talk) 23:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Does that open up the possibility of the account being created again? Evanh2008 (talk contribs) 03:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm very surprised at this opposition to unrequested doppelgangers, but I won't create them (except maybe for Jimbo), at least not until policy on doppelgangers becomes clearer. In response to Viriditas, there's a difference between not understanding why people have a problem with this, and not not understanding that people have a problem with this. The second has become plainly obvious. In response to the people who said that I should have informed people when I cerated a doppelganger for them, I used to, but then I realized that a potential importer might see one of those messages and get the idea to create an imposer account, which is exactly what I was trying to prevent. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really can't figure out what this is all about. Could you clarify (a) why you picked the accounts you did - of all the thousands of possibilities - to "protect" with these doppelgangers and (b) how precisely does it protect the original account? DeCausa (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you feel the need to take it upon youself & "protect" these users? If they want a doppleganger, I'm sure they know how to create one. What you are doing is slightly...I dunno, creepy...and if it happens again I will consider it harrasment & disruptive behaviour and will block you. Simple as. Unless consensus here from other admins says that EHC's creation of accounts on "behalf of" other users is somehow OK...GiantSnowman 20:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As for why I "feel the need to take it upon [my]self", that's simple. To prevent impersonation, tough a few such User:Example public weren't dopplegangers, but were simply created because they are "placeholders" that should not be used. As for the block threat, I've already said that I won't create unrequested doppelgangers, at least until until policy on doppelgangers becomes clearer. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Skookum

Skookum1 (talk · contribs) was asked by me (after a really weird situation in IRC-help) about a dubious source to one paragraph in a company's FAQ page for the article Skookum. He proceeded to wave his supposed credentials in my face, and saying "that that was the first cite for this page when it began" and (same diff) " Thing is, it's a valid cite, what's on it is true" and "It's true, what's on it", showing a blatant misunderstanding of what a reliable source is. He then, after I take it to WP:RSN proceeds to make these comments: "but then this is wikpedia, where the lies of the mainstream media can be repeated as if factual because the definition of "reliable sources" includes them and excludes non-mainstream media (independent news blogs)" "pu[i]ssant rulebook-follower" "has just done the lazy, uninformed route by wanting it deleted" "Look up "cupidity" in re "blogs are unreliable sources because they have no editorial oversight" is hogwash" "A consensus of fools s only foolishness.......why have you made this article so important to get rid of that you are attacking, and now threatening, one of its principal authors?" "And you're not my equal, nowhere near it." " Get 40,000+ edits and start as many articles as I have, then you might come halfway close.". "nonsensical scolds". There's some more on WP:RSN too.

The issue here is one of WP:IDHT when confronted about reliability of a source, and attempted credential-mongering (I invented that term, so if there's a better one feel free to tell me) to say a blatantly unreliable source is reliable. He also claims that he is above consensus, and that consensus is foolishness. He keeps beating the dead horse after the consensus began to (and pretty well finished) emerging at WP:RSN that he was wrong. There's also some semi-attacky comments, regarding equality of editors on Wikipedia based on edit count, and calling other users fools, lazy, and scolds. I was advised to bring it up here for a community decision on something, but this person is bordering on not here to be a part of a community. Any input is appreciated. gwickwiretalkediting 03:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also notifiedgwickwiretalkediting 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

gwickwire asked me to comment here. I agre that Skookum's behavior is truly opposed to the standards one might glean from the five pillars. When his source is challenged, rather than try to achieve consensus or prove it is reliable, he merely flaunts his alleged credentials as an editor or a "Chinookologist". At the very least, he needs to understand in no-uncertain-terms that he should avoid using his personal website as a source. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, the reason I asked him to comment is he was the one who suggested I bring it here upon consultation. gwickwiretalkediting 03:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bulls**t, you threatened to come here after repeatedly attacking me and insulting my intelligence on my own talkpage. Given this and your immediate participation in User:Huon's AfD on Skookum, and your evident polling (re Someguy's post here) what I'm seeing/feeling is a witchhunt. qwickwire has also said in his attacks on me on my talkpage "I personally would like to see you gone".....oh really? So who's attacking who? Saying he felt I was "threatening" him with my credentials as a chinookologist (such as they are) then turning around and threatening me, and now coming here to fulfill his threats. Why is this being made such a firestorm when the article could use expansion and further citation, and some understanding of the subject matter instead of rejecting it out of hand......when articles like Quadripoint are allowed to stand? This happened on my talkpage, it didn't happen on an article talkpage; I was attacked/criticized and defended myself....oh, apparently I'm "unwilling to listen" and "attack-y" too (see the "debate" on my talkpage). Why the witchhunt?Skookum1 (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Include context. I made that comment saying that I don't want editors here who won't listen to consensus and have no regard for policy. Therefore, I said I'd like it if you left. Maybe it was a bit harsh, and I'll go ahead and say now that it was a bit over the line, but that doesn't excuse you. gwickwiretalkediting 03:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Skookum1's feeling cornered & frustrated, right now. Let things settle down for awhile. There's no need for a block. GoodDay (talk) 03:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So because he's frustrated he's allowed to make (albeit minor) personal attacks, claim he's above consensus, and refuse to listen to a RSN decision? gwickwiretalkediting 03:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is against you on the parallel AfD which you so eagerly joined in; I'm not the only one who realizes the value and meaning of the article you attacked me over; you made (albeit minor) personal attacks on me while attacking the cite you don't like (which a "real" chinookologist happened to agree with so much he included it verbatim in his book). Go head, google "skookum" and see what you find, instead of trying to tear an official strip off me here and chiming in with the deletionist agenda.Skookum1 (talk) 06:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given your choice of username, are you in the business of selling these snookum dolls or whatever they are? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 11:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even if he is, the term is generic, not a brand name, so no sensible admin would block him for that. They might as well block you for 'promoting' baseball in your user name. 5.12.84.31 (talk) 11:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are endless sources demonstrating the notability of baseball. And of Rumania, for that matter. Not so much, for this snookums thing. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 15:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, Bugs, I'd call you a cheechako, but I realize you don't live in the Pacific Northwest anyway. It wasn't all that long ago that anyone in the PNW, at least north of Oregon, who didn't know what skookum meant was marking themselves as a cheechako. These days though, even natives can't be assumed to know what cheechako means, let alone skookum. Still, it's obvious from your comments you don't know what you are talking about. Pfly (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have no association with any product or company using this name; it is a username I had long before I came to Wikipedia and I grew up speaking it, assuming it was normal English (which in my part of the country, it is). It's Skookum-One like a CB handle but as "skookum one" e.g. "that's a skookum one" (big and hefty, or maybe a really good pie) or "he's a skookum one" (reliable, trustworthy, probably also big and solid but maybe small and tough). There is no COI or AUTO or OWN going on here, only DONOTDELETE. It's because this word is part of my culture, my upbringing, and I know its full context and all the ways it has been put to use in commerce and geography and also in music and robotics......there's more here than a dictionary meaning, and that there are standalone uses......and there's lots of cites. So instead, someone picked a fight with me, maybe triggered by seeing my username, and came at me; with threats and accusing me of threats. Yes User:The Interior is right, I do have a temper, and very often rightly so when accused of what I am not doing and threats are made out of the blue over something the assailant knows nothing about and is just being a particularist on a particular cite; instead of researching more to see if the article can be improved, to dispute the person with expertise on the subject very hostilely and drag it here, and then support a PROD. C'mon now.......do you think I'd go through all this to pitch dolls or sell my kittens?Skookum1 (talk) 15:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, Baseball Bugs thinks you're selling an adjective "thing" which also happens to be a given name for goat [289]!. For that you should be instabanned. End of story. That's how ANI works. Or not. Behehehee. 5.12.69.171 (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is going more about the topic/content of the source/articleLet's drink our morning coffee before booting up the computer. Totally read everything here wrong gwickwiretalkediting 14:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC) and less about the conduct of the user in question, just saying. gwickwiretalkediting 14:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That may be related to the weak case you've put forward for blocking a hard-working yet temperamental editor. Yes, he has a temper. And yes, if you come at him hard enough, he'll probably react by doing something block-worthy. But why bother. The inciting incident here is very inconsequential. How is the encyclopedia improved by this ANI thread? The Interior (Talk) 14:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that he is "hard-working" and "temperamental" isn't the issue. The issue is that when he was questioned about this source he claimed that since he knew the stuff to be true, it was a reliable source. Then, when at RSN people said he was wrong, he claimed that he was going to ignore them, selfsite an admitted unreliable source, and leave the page in its current state as a dictionary entry. In the process, he made a few personal attacks, and many comments that were incivil. You're basically saying that since he does make some good edits he is immune to a block, and that's not true. gwickwiretalkediting 14:55, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Excuuuuse meee, what's not true is that that I never said it was an "admitted unreliable source", I said that its content was valid - as any other chinookologist would back me up on, and as noted Jim Holton has used it in his book verbatim (they didn't get it from him, I know Jim); and my own site (http://www.cayoosh.net/hiyu/ - which I put up years ago and barely work on and am not here to promote - is considered a reliable source by other Chinook studies people. Skookum Tools put up a site on local folk language/history and it has some really interesting bits; and it's evidence of how current and popular this term is; so I was right, and now backed up by a published cite, and you still want to complain that I "admitted" something was unreliable when I explicitly did NOT, I averred that it was verifiable and also valid and, given that it is part of popular culture/heritage, and because of that such a cite is clear evidence of how current the understanding and popularity of it is the general culture. I can't think of any chinookologist or even a professional linguist who would dispute that citation; that such a fuss has been made over a page that has verifiable information to the degree to this has gone; to an ANI and a AfD in a double-pronged attack. Your misrepresentations of me and your overreactions to me (being "threatened" by me being a chinookologist and saying you are equal to me....not in this field, you're not, and that's not OR, that's testimony. Sources such as Skookum Tools are regularly cited in actual Chinook studies works and publications because they are the fact and presence/evidence of CJ in contemporary and historical culture and the local argot and business/org nomenclature. No academic paper on this could conscionably say that a popular source was not valid on a subject about popular culture. That this was catapaulted to ANI and AfD at the same time, after this article's been around for a while, is just silly (and kinda mean, what I'm hearing, and whiny); how many hours of my time, never mind yours, have you wasted doing this instead of actually writing an article - or finding out more about this subject and improving the article instead of just taking a weedwhacker to something that wasn't a weed? To me, this ANI isn't about the content, or about me, it's about you.Skookum1 (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IP sock using AWS?

At the Windows 8 article I am seeing a series of edits ( [290], [291], [292]), also at its talk page ( [293], [294], [295]), by what is clearly the same person using different IPs. The ever-changing IPs are apparently coming from virtual machines at Amazon Web Services (AWS). (It is characteristic of AWS VMs that each gets a different IP every time it is started, unless you pay extra for a static IP.) I don't know if this person has done any other edits under different IPs, not without searching 256x256 possible IPs.

The edits are not really abusive yet, and may simply indicate unfamiliarity with WP. But for now they clearly show a combative tone ("I want it gone"), which combined with the IP-hopping seemed to me to warrant a "hey, you might want to look at this" notice here.

I'm notifying under the last seen IP, but I doubt that will accomplish much. Jeh (talk) 18:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have semi-protected the page for a week. -- Dianna (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Jeh (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

YahwehSaves

Please see a long, long list of complaints spanning years at WT:MIL#Guidance question from Admin or Sysop, please, including article talk page vandalism from today. The reasons the other editors were hesitant to report this at ANI might also be of interest. This came up recently three months ago at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive779#User:YahwehSaves refusing to leave signature. - Dank (push to talk) 03:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recently? That link is from 3 months ago.
What is the current problem which requires admins? 88.104.27.2 (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, didn't you used to be the banned user "Light current"? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 05:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not even close. 88.104.27.2 (talk) 08:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then how did you know who I was talking about? And you ARE close geographically. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He's still not signing.[296] Supposedly, refusal to sign is a blockable offense. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 05:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Was already blocked 24hrs before regarding this issue. Another follow up seems appropriate.—Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, disruptive editing at the Audie Murphy page. Talk:Audie Murphy#Closely checking for copyvio and sourcing details what we are trying to correct just from the most recent spate of his edits. There's more, but not everything has been checked from his March edits. Copyvio, no sourcing, and (in an earlier thread on that page), "don't know all the technicalities you're talking about or time to know" in response to editors asking him to properly source his edits. Audie Murphy is a GA, that we are trying to bring up to FA. Now we spend all our time checking and correcting the edits of YahwehSaves who lifts entire phrases from other sites and/or doesn't bother to source, refuses to learn the basics of editing in WP Manual of Style. — Maile (talk) 11:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Baseball, your diff above actually shows YS attempting to sign, they just got the format wrong. Four tildes present, so that is promising. I also cannot see any recent attempt to discuss the matter with YS before bringing to ANI. No admin action required at this point, I would say. GiantSnowman 11:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, you're right. So why didn't the signature show up?←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How about the disruptive editing? — Maile (talk) 11:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The original complaint - now found to be premature - was about YS not signing posts. if YS is engaged in disruptive behaviour then please provide some diffs to evidence that. GiantSnowman 11:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are several MILHIST editors that have been monitoring this article and the complete debacle it has become due directly to the involvement of YS. He refuses to follow the MOS, has committed numerous copyvios and when reverted he just reverts and carries on as normal. The level of disruption is significant and sustained. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
YahwehSaves was invited to join the discussion at MILHIST, and has ignored the invitation. There have been around 50 disruptive edits in March, plus long non-productive ramblings from YahwehSaves on the Audie Murphy talk page. — Maile (talk) 12:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you provide a few recent diffs I will be happy to take a further look. GiantSnowman 12:18, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't dug out all the diffs, so take this with whatever grain of salt you choose, but I agree that YS has become an unnecessarily time-consuming, disruptive presence there. Attempts to discuss sourcing and copyright violation on that talk page don't seem to have made progress, as YS has stated that he/she doesn't have time to learn Wikipedia "technicalities". Maile posted a quick summary of what's happening to the Audie Murphy talk page at Talk:Audie Murphy#Dates below reflect YahwehSaves edits, my signature date is when I made changes that may give a start to whoever wants to catalogue this properly.
And, FWIW, a glance at the talk page does show various unsigned comments besides the one cited above: [297], [298], [299]. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Give me some time. I'll give you the initial copyvio rv that happened and their reversal back and forth. Hope I'm doing this correctly: [300], [301], [302], [303], [304] These all concern one copyvio that YahwehSaves kept reverting. There's so much more disruptive editing that just this. That whole article is now embedded with recent bad edits by YahwehSaves that we are having to go through. But you also need to look at the talk pages on Audie Murphy and Military History to get the full picture of what has been going on. — Maile (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another copyvio revert by me (different than the one above), of a YahwehSaves March 9 edit, [305], YahwehSaves has not been editing the article over the weekend, so we don't know if he'll revert this or not. A lot of the YahwehSaves edits being reverted are for no sourcing. In some cases, YahwehSaves edits contradicts known sources, but he won't cite his own source. In one case, he insisted the existing source was invalid and that his source was valid, but he refused to give his source. And in a great deal of what YahwehSaves has done to the article in March, we simply do not know where he got the information. Given his history of copyvio, we can't risk unsourced prose from him on an article that is aiming for FA WP Main Page attention.— Maile (talk) 13:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This [306] March 19 diff is where YahwehSaves has replied to a source challenge with, " I'm not a professional editor and don't know all the technicalities you're talking about or time to know." — Maile (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
March 17 and 18 diff [307], in which YahwehSaves removed text and existing sourcing from both an online site named GlobalSecurity (which he claims is not good) and also sourcing from the United States Army War Department official records. He replaced the removed sourcing with unsourced scans. In spite of his being told on the talk page that scans are not sources and that the article text required sourcing, YahwehSaves did not remove the scans and source his editing. I reverted these unsourced edits of YahwehSaves [308] on March 22. — Maile (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This same editor showed similar tendencies with the Medal of Honor article around the same time as the first complaint linked by Dank above. A quick glance at his/her talk page seems to show a history of issues with this kind of behavior. Intothatdarkness 16:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, regarding GlobalSecurity, he's right. As for the rest of his issues, though, I agree that this editor is not a benefit to the project, and may indeed be a net drain. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to propose a couple of topic ban-mentoring options. My goal is to get the Audie Murphy article up to A-class at the Military History project, and eventual FA nomination. Related articles of Filmography and the Honors and Awards pages need to be in sync on content. Most of my post-March 7 edits on the Audie Murphy page were clean up from YahwehSaves. The main article is treading water on its GA status, and I would like to deter YahwehSaves from branching out to the other two articles. (The filmography does not carry the Military History banner as the other two do) . I also note YahwehSaves's history at Medal of Honor. This editor also has 195 edits on Matt Urban under his own name, and 27 IP edits under the "suspected sock" that got him a temporary block. The posts on the Military History talk page indicate that other editors have tried to engage YahwehSaves on other like articles. Therefore, I would like to offer:

  • Proposal #2 -Topic ban on all Audie Murphy articles (Audie Murphy, Audie Murphy honors and awards and Audie Murphy filmography), AND all articles that carry the WikiProject Military History banner. This would be contingent upon YahwehSaves agreeing to mentoring. The ban would only be lifted if the mentor feels YahwehSaves has made enough progress to freely edit on Wikipedia.

If YahwehSaves will not agree to undergo mentoring, then there should be a block for disruptive editing. Vote or comment. — Maile (talk) 12:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • It might make things less complicated if we ask YahwehSaves if they're interested in mentoring; it doesn't seem likely. - Dank (push to talk) 13:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that be how either of the proposals would work? I've not dealt with ANI before. But it seems if one of those proposals is decided on, then YahwehSaves is notified that this is the deal. If YahwehSaves fails to respond, or refuses the mentoring, then the block goes into effect. You put a notice on his talk page when you opened this ANI, and engaging in the dialogue here has always been his option. I might add that on March 20 a notice was put on his talk page regarding the dialogue happening on the talk page at WikiProject Military History. He didn't respond to that, either, but continues to edit at Audie Murphy and at the Audie Murphy talk page. — Maile (talk) 13:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Given YS' complete lack of interest in the attempts of the community to engage him regarding our concerns about his editing, I believe mentoring options would be a waste of time. I believe the only effective way to deal with him is a lengthy (6 month) topic ban on Audie Murphy-related articles, with an option for appeal after 3 months if he has demonstrated he has learned how to edit properly and in a non-disruptive manner. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 21:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to propose a topic ban, I suggest starting a new thread, seeing as this one has gone stale. GiantSnowman 12:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The central question in the various RfA RfCs has been whether tough choices need to be made because work normally associated with admins isn't getting done. I only drop in here occasionally, so I don't know what's going on, but it's easy to imagine editors being put off by the reception these editors got, and I don't fault any of the admins watching for that ... it may just be that the workload is such that you're really not in a big hurry to get involved in cases that might generate drama or require some hand-holding or some sorting-out. Anyone who wants to educate me on the issues here is welcome to do so. - Dank (push to talk) 15:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or, it may be that there's just a lot of work to do here and not as many people doing it ... and others matters do have greater urgency (abusive socks, vandals, etc.). I've been a vocal opponent of Pending Changes 2, but it may be time for another look. - Dank (push to talk) 00:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User making threats of cyber attacks...

Thanks, we're aware. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 02:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure of this is the right place but User:TeamSentaSecurity was making threats of "cyber war" with the city of Glendale See Threat Here --Cameron11598 (Converse) 20:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do I need to notify emergency@wikimedia? --Cameron11598(Converse) 20:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified the user here --Cameron11598 (Converse) 20:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd consider that a threat against Wikipedia enough to forward it to emergency, because imo when they get blocked they'll retaliate against Wikipedia (others may differ in opinion). If you can find a contact for the tech department of the city/ISD, forward this to them as well. The account needs to be immediately indef autoblocked with no e-mail, for this threat. gwickwiretalkediting 20:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it is a moot point now the user was blocked and the page diff hidden by an admin...--Cameron11598 (Converse) 20:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RD3 seemed to be borderline-applicable. If another admin disagrees with revdel in this case, they are free to revert this decision without my consent (though I would appreciate a note with their reasoning). --Chris (talk) 20:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Emergency e-mail is borderline (I think it *may* be okay), but it may be better just to shoot an e-mail to User:Philippe (WMF) and have him forward it to the applicable persons. gwickwiretalkediting 21:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand HERE the consensus was emergency didn't need notification... --Cameron11598 (Converse) 21:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I did leave a note on Philippe's talk page as per your suggestion --Cameron11598 (Converse) 22:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Issues on AE

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An IP editor has filed an AE request at AE. this has been reverted by Giano as he seems to think IP editors have no rights I assume someone will correct him on this. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the editor wishes to request an arbitration enforcement, they can sign in to their account to do it. That way we have transparency about who is making the request. That forum is far too easily gamed by trolls for IPs to be starting threads there. --RexxS (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not smart enough to figure out this AE stuff, but sheesh, Darkness, surely you have better things to do than to edit-war over a request that will most likely quickly be nixed. Drmies (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IP editors have the same rights as we do, Giano has now hit 4RR removing this IP complaint as well as mine. Darkness Shines (talk)
No. In this case IPs do not have the same rights. Let me remind you of the notice at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement:
  • "Anyone requesting enforcement who comes with unclean hands runs the risk of their request being summarily denied or being sanctioned themself."
  • "At the discretion of the administrator processing the request, editors who repeatedly file substantially meritless requests may be sanctioned for disrupting the Arbitration Enforcement process; editors who file clearly groundless, frivolous, vexatious, or bad-faith requests may be similarly sanctioned, even for a first offense."
If IPs can file, then any editor with 'unclean hands' will simply log out to make the request and avoid any possibility of boomerang. Not an acceptable situation for such serious matters. --RexxS (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've just full protected the page for three hours, so hopefully there will be no edit warring blocks. I realize this is out of the norm, so anyone is free to unprotect early. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think blocks would have been more appropriate here, as that is such a highly used board that can't be shut down for 3 hours. --Rschen7754 22:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alright, I'll unprotect if you issue the blocks... Mark Arsten (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yer, 14 hours without a post before the IP troll showed up. We can shut it down until Darkness Shines sobers up. --RexxS (talk) 22:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Or has finished a serving of crow. Drmies (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Who the hell said I was I was drunk? I know never did. It takes a tad more than a bottle of Glenfiddich,Face-smile.svgThe issue here is the removal of an AE request by an IP and also one by myself. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good grief you're even slurring your typing. --RexxS (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Goodness. Taking a closer look, that might not be the best approach either. What would people say to unprotecting, but giving both editors a warning that any further reverts *will* result in a block? --Rschen7754 23:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Drmies (talk) 23:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked Giano nicely if he would be kind enough to disengage, and EdJohnston has notified Darkness Shines that the IP was editing from an open proxy (now blocked). It looks like Darkness Shines won't revert again, so I guess it's safe to unprotect. Thanks all. --RexxS (talk) 23:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IPs should not be allowed to make AE reports. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, the whole point of why AE works is that it's an open system out in the open. Also, I'd like the OP to explain why they used the term "pull shit" when posting on Giano's talkpage. There was no need for cursing, nor that kind of comment, imo. If it was just a lost temper, I understand and don't really mind, but just wanted to point that out. gwickwiretalkediting 23:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Pull shit" is rather rude, especially in the imperative, but we know where it's coming from, and Giano can handle it (and did it more eloquently). What's sad is that the IP is a player with an account, using a proxy, then finding someone to be a proxy and escalate into EW territory, all the while putting meat on what was little more than trolling... I don't care if such AE pages are permanently semi-protected. IP editors of good faith will find a good and more honest way to make their voice heard. Drmies (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:HOUNDING/WP:POINT edits by User:GabeMc

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GabeMc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Since 1:00 UTC 27 March, GabeMc has done the following:

All of those pages are pages I created or significantly edited, as if GabeMc had gone to my “articles created” list, clicked on each one, and did the worst he could to it. There’s nothing else these articles have in common; they range from a baseball league to a bookseller to food to an on-campus radio station. This is a pretty clear example of WikiHounding and WP:POINT editing, to say nothing of “drive-by tagging”, a highly frowned-upon process, and the inaccuracy of several of the tags. User:Yaksar warned him about making a point and WikiHounding, but GabeMc reverted it as vandalism. I noticed this pattern partly from the three AfD notices on my page and partly from edits in my watchlist. Can I get some help here, please? pbp 05:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikihounding means you just follow someone's edits around to harass them whenever you think you can get away with it. It does not include someone nominating stubs you created then abandoned years ago. KOXY was created by you in 16:24, 22 August 2010‎ and is still a one sentence stub. And Crab puff is two sentences you created, with no references at all. Things like this [309] should be tagged for original research, that's what it looks like to me, since you have no references at all. This one [310] is properly tagged by him for being unreferenced and possibly original research. Dream Focus 06:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, that's inaccurate. This is pretty clearly WikiHounding. There's no rhyme or reason to GabeMc's edits except that they share a common creator: me. For two hours, GabeMc did nothing but tag articles I created. That is diruptive WikiHounding and he should be blocked for it pbp 06:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is pretty clearly a pattern of poor article creation. It is not wikihounding if an editor notices a pattern of problematic editing and then goes through someone's contributions to find and act on other examples of problematic editing. I had a look at your contributions for new articles (here), and GabeMc certainly could (and perhaps should) have gone further.
Separately, diff, would you like to show me where it says that I've been banned or prevented from editing in any way? Otherwise, it's just an attempt on your part to bring an ally into this discussion. Classy. ˜danjel [ talk contribs ] 06:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For someone so active at AfD, particularly in badgering of keep !votes with which you disagree, you're very defensive about articles that you yourself create. A clear case of WP:OWN. It'd probably help if the articles you create weren't so pathetically low quality, like Crab puff. Your usual strategy of wikidramamongering (here, and in your keep votes at the AfD's) isn't a good reason to retain those articles. ˜danjel [ talk contribs ] 06:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll just point out here that being a stub, no matter how long it's been a stub, is not a valid reason to delete. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This nom (now speedy closed) appears wrong, maybe pointy, about the rest, as you are a quite experienced user, if you don't want your articles nominated for deletion (or tagged as unreferenced/ OR) it would be wise to add a couple of references as evidences of notability (and in accordance with WP:verifiability). Here you should thank The Bushranger for doing the work you had to do before moving this stub in the mainspace, here frankly I don't see any trace of notability or chance to kept the article. About the tags, all them appear correct. I don't see any action required here. Cavarrone (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of the stalking edits were not actually wrong or detrimental. That being said, however, enough were that it is clear that the user's goal was to target a particular editor rather than improve the encyclopedia. The Bill Clinton article has already been discussed above, so I'll talk about Chili Burger. There's actually nothing wrong with nominating an article for a merge when it has been previously nominated in the past. But when it's already been recently nominated for one twice, and a merge was also additionally discussed at its AFD, you'd think that someone who had put the minimal effort into at least reading the talk page would know they'd need more than the half-assed sentence "A Chili burger is just a hamburger with chili on top, its not a distinct food type onto itself." This was not a legitimate attempt at improving the encyclopedia, but was an attempt to bother a specific editor. I'm all for assuming good faith, but when a user has over thirty edits in a row over the course of a few hours all targeting the articles of one user, there's clearly something going on. If this were someone else, perhaps unrelated or un-accused or recent stalking or someone who was not in what looks like what I'd think would be a god damn agreement not to antagonize each other it would be different. --Yaksar (let's chat) 11:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm mostly pissed because this all came around 24 hours after the close of Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:GabeMc:_personal_attacks.2C_deadhorse which you can still see above. When a user defends themself against allegations of hounding (maybe properly, I don't know) and then goes on a spree of edits purely on articles of the editor they were accused of targeting (regardless of whether some or most were proper) they're either looking for drama or have a 5 year old's sense of how to avoid trouble. Maybe what's bothering me is just how little attempt there was to at least obscure that this was pointy. Is it that hard to not antagonize each other, guys?--Yaksar (let's chat) 11:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, you are true, I haven't noticed the above discussion, and probably these actions were some kind of indirect response to the above discussion, a conduct that is clearly inappropriate. If not, it is a response to something else, as there is clearly a history behind these two users (I have no idea who/where/when it all started). That said, none of these actions is "patently" pointy or disruptive, and even in the Bill Clinton post-presidency AfD some editors are rising some decent arguments about merging the article's content in the parent article. The only way to solve the problems is to address the concerns, I have personally removed several tags after working on the marked issues, all the tagged/nominated articles have (as a minimum) several problems, for the main part it was just a question of time before someone else would have marked them. Cavarrone (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In short: Obvious wikihounding. Some admin needs to trout Gabe, tell him to stop immediately. Let the noms/edits to date run their course, and strongly encourage editors to expand User_talk:Purplebackpack89#Gentleperson.27s_agreement to a gentleman's interaction ban. Don't waste time considering blocks or trying to "procedurally close" what has been done to date.--Milowenthasspoken 12:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fully agree with Milowent's suggestions. Toddst1(talk) 13:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I quote Milowent: "Do not delete content but require nominator to merge into Occidental College ... he's got his panties in a wad over some surely inane dispute with article creator Purplebackpack89. If someone is going to waste our time with WP:POINTY bullshit, that incivility should be punished severely, by making the editor improve Wikipedia articles." 1) Real classy. 2) I'm pretty sure that's a personal attack, and 3) I have done more then my share of improving the project. GabeMc(talk contribs) 03:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're like school in the summer, Gabe. NO CLASS. Own up to what you did like a man and move on. Now why is this thread still open and getting longer, I guess I'll have to keep reading.--Milowenthasspoken 03:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's also concerning that as PBP pointed out, an attempt to discuss this matter with Gabe by a third party before it was brought here was dismissed [311] - an inappropriate use of rollback as well. Toddst1 (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This could have been a simple case of GabeMc recognizing that Purplebackpack89 had created a boatload of very poor quality articles, requiring the worst ones to be tagged in some manner, except for the behavior by GabeMc of unresponsiveness on his talk page, the questionable action at chili burger, the recent edit warring with PBP at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded/People, the recent accusation of HOUNDING at WP:ANI#Wikihounding by Purplebackpack89, the prior conflict between the two editors at GabeMc's talk page, and the complete absence of an effort by GabeMc to explain to PBP the problems with the poor-quality articles. Seen in that light, this series of edits is pointy and hounding. Gabe should cease this avenue of toxic interaction. Binksternet (talk) 14:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excellent job summarizing it all. I concur.--v/r - TP 15:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The nomination of Post-presidency of Bill Clinton struck me as POINTy at a minimum. I suspect there is some merit to the hounding allegations. Carrite (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In hindsight, the Clinton tag may not have been 100% correct, but the others were IMO. I still say that there is only about 800-1000 words difference between them, and as such they should be merged. With proper editing, the BC article would gain maybe 300-500 words, and his article is currently only about 8,000 words, so its not like there isn't room. Right now, the Bill Clinton article looks like the remains of what's left after all the engaging detail has been stripped out to sub-articles, which will be a factor in any future FAC. Question. - If I noticed that pbp had a habit of creating unnecessary articles then completely abondoning them without further improvement, why can't I tag them? Also, this is all indicative of the general problem with pbp: if he likes the content, then it stays, while he brags about being a deletionist regarding the work of others. GabeMc (talk contribs) 22:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I want to take you seriously, but considering that you seem to have, instead of responding my question, went back into my edit history and found that I edited a page in 2006 (or is it 2007, I can't remember when I joined) related to harry potter, which for some absurd reason I can't discern is related to all of this, it's really hard to.--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yaksar, that's exactly what pbp has been doing to me for weeks, and he has used my taste for popular music several times in attempts to humiliate me. I only looked at your contribs because I wanted to see if you were neutral. If you look at the talk page of WP:VA/E you will see that pbp and I have been going back and forth over the inclusion of Harry Potter as a Wikipedia Vital Article, (while the world's 3rd best-selling poet, Kahlil Gibran is not included). If I made a false assumption about you then I sincerely apologise. I wish I had tried to talk it out with you, but I may have jumped to a false conclusion based upon my feelings of being ganged-up on by numerous Wikibuddies of pbp over the last few weeks. For a brief history of pbp's propensity for hounding, look here, here, and here. GabeMc (talk contribs) 23:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok. I'm really not at all involved with that discussion, so I don't know the circumstances. The whole reason I jumped in here was not as anyone's friend or ally. I was the one who up above tried to tell everyone to just relax and stop trying to piss each other off, and seeing your edits got to me because it really does look like you intended to stir up trouble and rankle Purple. If you guys could all at the very least stop making edits designed to specifically antagonize each other, even if most of the edits themselves would be ok, it would go a long way.--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, and FWIW, although I would much rather learn to work with pbp, I would be absolutley fine with an IB between the two of us, as he absolutely refuses to compromise, and he continuously demeans me in edit summaries and at talk pages. GabeMc (talk contribs) 23:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

* FWIW, pbp is not a significant contributor to any of the articles I nomed for AfD.

  • It's strange to try to claim via counting edits that pbp is not a major contributor when pbp started them and contributed a large proportion of the text. Now you're being dishonest as well as tendentious. Reyk YO! 00:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copy-pasting material from one article into a "new" one, then completely abandoning it isn't really contributing to the article, is it? GabeMc (talk contribs) 01:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seeing as it was kept, the Wikipedia community seems to think so. And again, by content added, in each of the articles you nominated for deletion or merger (and I might add, three of the four discussions have been closed as speedy keep), I am one of the people who has added the most content. The point, as Binksternet said above, that you did it because you have some axe to grind at WP:VA/E (not sure why you have the axe to grind, I'm the one who got called a "Type-A control freak). The assertion that GabeMc and I are going "back and forth" over Harry Potter is a bit inaccurate: GabeMc is actually alone in wanting Harry Potter deleted, and the rest of us dearly wish he would stop talking about it. Also, I resent the accusation that somebody who agrees with me is automatically my WikiBuddy. There's a difference between somebody finding that calling another editor a "Type-A control freak" is wrong and being someone's WikiBuddy. I don't even know a lot of people who post to your talkpage! And finally, my interactions with DreamFocus and Danjel, while tepid (I freely admit that I have had enough of both of them), do not give you an excuse to be disruptive towards me pbp 01:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) @ Gabe: That seems quite an elitist thing to say. We each contribute to the best of our abilities and each of us has varying interests. Not every subject is featured-article material. It's inappropriate to denigrate another person's efforts as not being valuable, or try to dictate how others should pursue their editing careers. This guy said it well ; -- Dianna (talk) 01:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, that's really not what I meant to convey. All edits and contribs are valuable IMO. Keep in mind the context of pbp mocking my editing of "pop-culture" articles for the last month. GabeMc (talk contribs) 01:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "context" of PBP mocking your edits is exactly why so many people here are saying you are out of line with this hounding activity. You are basically confirming that a grudge against PBP was building for the last month and then it blew up into your hounding behavior. Binksternet (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point taken, but Bink, I don't have a grudge againt pbp per se. What I don't like is hypocritical bullies who run people off Wikipedia so that they can dominate. He mocks and demeans and says "nix on that" and " I have to put my foot down here", etcetera, like he owns the place. That's what I see from pbp, and several others have seen the same character trait. Are you suggesting that pbp can follow Dream Focus around Wikipedia checking for errors and reverting him and confronting his work, but that I can't one time ever take a gander through his collection of unreferenced stubs? If we shouldn't tag-and-run, then someone should take away the tags, because I'm not going to waste my time sourcing other people stubs in topics I am not versed or interested, would you? What am I missing here, two wrongs don't make a right, but nobody told pbp to back-off Dream Focus, did they? GabeMc (talk contribs) 02:09, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I know anything about Dream Focus, it's that he can take care of himself. He's a pretty tough guy.--v/r - TP 12:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gabe, you're a brilliant guy. What say you disengage from this, informally decide to stay out of each other's way for a while? I am sure you have other things to be getting on with. I can see you have acted with the best of intentions but it looks like it's created more heat than light. It happens. Walk away. --John (talk) 20:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • John, FWIW, I think pbp and I have now worked out our differences, and I have apologised extensively for my rude behaviour. Thanks for your concern. GabeMc (talk contribs) 00:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's great news. I am closing this now. --John (talk) 09:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Harassment by a User

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I have been harassed by a user Somedifferentstuff, who has leveraged a seemingly close relationship with an admin Bbb23 to swifty 7-day ban me when I claimed that several closely associated edits could be sock puppetry. Yet recently, the admin actually was giving him guidance on how to formulate a ban on my properly registered account after the editor did a write up that I was a socket puppet - [312] I don't even want to be a part of this community at this point. Not to mention the editor in question didn't go to talk, and changed 3,750 of the article which had been posted to talk for 48 hours and cited line by line prior to insertion. Oh, and I was threatened with an instant ban by the admin when I tried to mediate that he deleted several users edits on his talk page.[313] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LifeEditorLatinAmerica (talkcontribs) 04:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC) Here is a citation of bbb23 randomly removing interesting and good edits about the background of the guy, because the two sources are good enough, Unreliable? look at the sources they check out fine.[314] - — Preceding unsigned comment added by LifeEditorLatinAmerica (talkcontribs) 06:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC) Here bbb23 deletes another quality submission [315] from another user. Yet oddly he has not reverted a single one of Somedifferentstuff who has over 60 edits on this page.[reply]

When I remark here after penwhale protected the article: "Entire controversy section removed - please honor the administrators mediation and get consensus in talk.) " bbb23 jumps in and calls the undo which I complete above as 'disruptive': "Reverted to revision 544904963 by Scientiom: prior to disruptive edits." [316] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LifeEditorLatinAmerica (talkcontribs) 06:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • You are not being harassed. Your posts are well-nigh incomprehensible, the particulars of you complaint are beyond vague, and your comprehension of our BLP and RS policies is, judging from this edit for instance, below par. Also, you were never banned or blocked, but you may well be headed that way. It is apparent you don't listen to what other editors tell you, so pointing to WP:BOOMERANG may be redundant. You're forum-shopping all over the place and making a nuisance of yourself, and yet I still have some positive advice for you: lay low, stop complaining all over the damn place about other editors, and try to make positive edits based on reliable sources--that way you won't get blocked indefinitely for incompetence and being a time-sink. Finally, is it really too much trouble to sign your messages? Bbb23 can do it, so can you. Drmies (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • And to state the obvious: your edits on Nicolás Maduro are unacceptable. Drmies (talk) 06:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've looked at all this user's edits. They're not here to improve the project, they cannot properly verify the stuff they add, they canvass all over the place to get their way, they think this place is for soapboxing, and they're incompetent. I'd block them indefinitely but I won't since Bbb (the focus of their ire) and I used to go surfing together in the 1970s so we might be considered involved. Next admin gets to pull the trigger and do us all a favor. Drmies (talk) 07:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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2Cellos

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Hi, can someone please have a look at 2Cellos?[317] The nationality of the band has been discussed at nauseam at its talk page, and still one of the users (User:Odiriuss) tries to change it according to his wishes. --Eleassar my talk 09:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only one who is neglecting facts and pure evidence and trying to enforce your point of view is you User:Eleassar. Their official pages have been updated http://www.2cellos.com/us/biography , including their facebook page http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info. I don't understand what you are trying to do here, you of all people should know that wikipedia is based on facts and not on random persons delusions. Odiriuss (talk) 09:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a content dispute. Please take it to WP:DRN. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He can take it there if he wants. If he changes it one more time though i am reporting him for vandalism because i have already warned him. Odiriuss (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please neither of you air your disputes here. This is the wrong forum. Attempting to do so does neither of you any favours. Take it to WP:DRN Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible sockpuppet

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What do you guys say about this? Breese Anderson (talk · contribs) seems to have only three edits, one of which is to WP:NHD & other two to articles. All of them today. I think this is the same guy as Techwriter2B (talk · contribs) and the IP at NHD. Please see the post at WP:NHD#Bad writing. Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Techwriter2B says that the physical location is Connecticut & servers are from AT&T. WhatIsMyIPAddress.com confirms that this guy's ISP is AT&T and location is CT. I haven't reported this to SPI, but I think CheckUser evidence might be needed to confirm this. --Ushau97 talk 15:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A number of other editors and I have been dealing with Techwriter2B for years now and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is him/her. None at all. I am extremely familiar with this LTA's telltale practices and techniques as explained in great detail in Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Techwriter2B and this current event fits every one of them. This LTA was permanently banned from WP by the community on July 18, 2010. Centpacrr (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then report the editor to sockpuppet investigations. TBrandley 03:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Pictogram voting info.svg Note: SPI investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Techwriter2B. --Ushau97talk 09:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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MC Kinky

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This is probably going to be a very painful experience because I spent well over a week writing MC Kinky. User:FERAL is KINKY has been complaining that her article is full of weird information. I don't see it myself given that I've listed 21 different sources (3 primary, 18 secondary), but I want an independent opinion.--Launchballer 20:01, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The neutrality of the prose needs work, but that's a different story. There are WP:BLP concerns in this article. I'm a tad uneasy that the allegations of expulsion from school and arrest for solicitation are tied only to one source - Allmusic.com, not exactly a paragon for credible journalism.--WaltCip (talk) 20:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Almost all of the sources in the article are unreliable, and I've removed them and the material they supposedly supported. The article is still messy and poorly written, just much shorter.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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More Adventure Time vandalism

321Wikiman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

And, 321Wikiman's Adventure Time vandalism continues, although he has moved to a different article. Basically, he added the info he keeps trying to include in the character page on the season 5 page, however, he does not provide a source at all (and he has tried this maneuver before). Here's a compare and contrast. He knows at this point, and he is just being stubbornly defiant.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Notification to the user? I've remedied this for you Hasteur (talk) 04:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The one diff you provide is not particularly helpful. In glancing at his edits, it looks like he's a fan who doesn't speak English well and isn't particlarly competent. Although he doesn't talk much (he has only a handful of edits anyway), when he does, it's fairly descriptive of the problems. At least some of the plot summaries in Adventure Time (season 5) violate the copyright of this website. See, e.g., episodes 112 and 113. Interestingly, 321Wikiman adds the copyrighted source and others remove it.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi flag on user page

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I know users are allowed significant latitude on what they can put on their user pages, but is it appropriate for a user to put the flag of Nazi Germany on it? OGBranniff (talk · contribs) has placed the flag there ostensibly because he is declaring his membership in WikiProject:Germany. However, the default flag of WikiProject:Germany is that of the modern German state; OGBranniff has had to deliberately override the default with a handmade userbox to achieve this effect (see before and after). An editor requested on OGBRanniff's Talk: page that he remove the Nazi flag, but OGBRanniff has ignored the request, and continued editing. Jayjg (talk) 02:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Having an evil flag would be fine if he were a member of WikiProject Soviet Union, or WikiProject Nazi Germany if there were one, but otherwise, unless there's somthing I'm missing here no. No swastikas, no hammers and sickles. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:POLEMIC covers this. "Very divisive or offensive material not related to encyclopedia editing" is not allowed on userpages, and the Nazi flag is generally considered "very divisive". To claim otherwise is to be blind to reality or to be intentionally making a WP:POINT and neither is good. --Jayron32 03:03, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OG's flag should remain. If one doesn't like it, one doesn't have to look at it. GoodDay (talk) 03:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, it should not. Freedom doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want. Viriditas (talk) 03:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Jayron and Coleman. This was covered already when another user (Neogeolegend) did the same -- and sysop Uncle G changed the flag. Neogeolegend was also subsequently blocked indefinitely in August by Future Perfect at Sunrise for nazi advocacy (in August 2012; this user appeared in December 2012). See here, for discussion about the flag.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, Nazis weren't nice, but what policy are we implementing here? HiLo48 (talk) 03:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • A common sense one. I see the flag has been changed back again by another editor. I'd suggest reverting and locking if that gets reverted. Black Kite (talk) 03:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The one that says we're not calling all Germans Nazis, even if we're Jewish. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 03:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are two wp guidelines already specifically pointed to above. See Jayron's comment, which I had supported. And, of course, we have WP:CIVIL, which is one of our five pillars, and part of wp's code of conduct.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, you are thinking that there is a possible sockpuppet in the midst? There's a bit of evidence there, but I'm not sure if that's enough for this to be a WP:DUCK situation. Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. However, their contributions show that both users are interested in Italy/Italians. Another coincidence, perhaps, I don't know. I've been accused of seeing patterns where none exist, so take this with a grain of salt. Viriditas (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If he wants to self-identify as a Nazi I don't think it's our place to intefere with his form of expression, but I think he should move the flag out of the wikiproject box: he has the right to associate himself with the swastika but not the project. Betty Logan (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly relevant discussion, eh. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Wowsers, I hope Canadian monarchists & Quebec nationalists don't start demanding changes to my userpage. GoodDay (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Does your page say something about Canadians? What do you accuse them of? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 03:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Francophone Canadians might demand that I have a french version of my message. GoodDay (talk) 03:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • They might; but the userpage in question says "I am Jewish, and I am writing about Germany which is still the Nazi state it used to be and all Germans are Nazis." That's a bit different from yours. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 03:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Canadian monarchists may declare my message treasonist & demand its removal. GoodDay (talk) 03:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes -- and ushers at Fenway Park might ask a fan to take off a Yankee hat. So? It's obviously an absurd comparison, that I imagine you don't make seriously. This is a whole other level. Uncle G had an interesting point at the earlier flag discussion, writing it's against the law to wear badges like this in some countries and people from many countries edit here." Is what you are writing illegal?--Epeefleche (talk) 03:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care much for OG's flag, either. But, who am I to kick down his door & rip the flag off his wall. GoodDay (talk) 03:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the Canadian government commits genocide or starts a World War, I think you'll be ok. Alles Klar,Herr Kommisar 03:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Our wall. At the end of the day -- it is the project's wall. And project guidelines apply to what users can put on the project wall that bears their name.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We'll have to disagree about OG's userpage. GoodDay (talk) 03:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But it is certainly the project's page. That it is allowing the user to use. If he uses it in accord with wp guidelines, such as wp:civil, wp:Polemic, and wp:point. Do you really believe that he should be allowed to put pro-pedophilia advocacy on it?--Epeefleche (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Two things here, and I'm going to say this to both of you. 1) We aren't discussing pro-pedophilia advocacy, we're discussing a Nazi flag. 2) We aren't discussing a Canadian flag, we're discussing a Nazi flag. Bringing unrelated issues or analogies into the discussion (either for or against the removal) is a strawman argument, and neither of you does your argument any merit by doing so. Instead of bringing up either of those issues, give your opinion on this use of the Nazi flag on this user page. And since you've both done so, It really isn't advancing the discussion to bring up entirely unrelated issues. You've given your opinions, and others will give their's I bet. Once everyone has weighed in, we'll have a consensus one way or the other. If, after this is done, we need to discuss either of those issues, start a new discussion. But lets keep this about this Nazi flag, mkay? --Jayron32 04:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some here may be trying to fairly apply correct policy here (although it's not yet clear to me which one that is), but it's also obvious that some are applying WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. That's not healthy. HiLo48 (talk) 03:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POLEMIC is the policy, the use of a userpage to display divisive content is expressly forbidden. --Jayron32 03:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hilo-Editors like WP:POLEMIC, WP:POINT, and WP:CIVIL. These were pointed out to you, when you missed them in the discussion. They appear to be directly on point.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Context matters. I could see situations where the Nazi Swastika would be ok on a user page, but in this instance it is clearly polemic as Jayron points out. little green rosetta(talk)
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Is there a policy that expressly prohibits the Swastika on User pages? I assume not. In which case we are simply playing opinion games here. And making all sorts of assumptions. Dangerous ground. HiLo48 (talk) 03:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Have you read WP:POLEMIC? Evanh2008 (talk contribs) 03:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and it demands considerable interpretation and assumption to say that we have "...statements unrelated to Wikipedia, or statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors, persons, or other entities." Such assumption and interpretation MAY be correct. It may not. We must be careful. To act with such certainty about someone else's evilness is perhaps not much better than the alleged evilness. HiLo48 (talk) 04:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It would be impossible, ahead of time, to predict every possible "very divisive or offensive" thing that someone could do on their userpage before someone actually does it, which is why such a list has not been created. For the first case, the existence of such list would imply that the list, and only that list, would be divisive or offensive enough, and the human capacity to be obnoxious is quite expansive. Secondly, the existance of a list would encourage gaming the system. Instead, WP:POLEMIC is quite enough, it notes that very divisive or offensive material isn't allowed, and we decide what is too divisive or too offensive in discussions such as this. Your opinion is noted, as are others. When enough opinions have been given to establish a consensus, action will be taken one way or the other. That's how Wikipedia works. --Jayron32 04:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think the above discussion is creating more heat than light. POLEMIC dictates that divisive content is against WMF policy. The debate here is that any topic may cause someone to become hostile. Let's use me as an example. My userpage states I am in Wikiproject Mongols and Wikiproject Mining. You could argue that both of those topics could be offensive. I don't care. Pick your side. The difference is, while Mining can be regarded as evil to some, Nazis are universally regarded as inherently evil. Mining=not genocidal supremacists. Nazis=evil genocidial maniacs. Clearly you can see the difference? Alles Klar, Herr Kommisar 04:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The question is not whether any content which could offend anyone is not allowed. The question is whether consensus is that this Nazi flag is in violation of WP:POLEMIC or not. Heat is only generated by people who steer the discussion away from that question. Either "yea" or "nay" on that question would be light. Asking whether Wikiproject Mining is offensive is unrelated to the question at hand, and is thus heat. --Jayron32 04:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe WP:POLEMIC needs a review. GoodDay (talk) 04:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:VPP is thataway. Until it's changed, however, it is consensus policy, and we need to make our decisions in this case with that in mind. If we need to change the established policy, we need to do that in another context, and not in discussions over the enforcement of that policy. --Jayron32 04:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll leave that option to OG. :) GoodDay (talk) 04:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The thing that is missed is that this isn't a Nazi flag on someone's userpage. This is somebody using the Nazi flag in the WikiProject Germany userbox. The former, under certain circumstances, could be permitted. The second, however, creates the association WPGermany = Nazism. - The BushrangerOne ping only 04:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Does it? Really? As an absolute certainty? I'm not certain. HiLo48 (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • It does. Really. As an absolute certainty. I'm absolutely certain. - The BushrangerOne ping only 05:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Wow, that's a clever answer. I'm convinced. Not. To be certain, one needs absolute evidence. We don't have it. HiLo48 (talk) 10:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it's worth, I don't think there should be any sort of a simple ban on having a Nazi Flag on your userpage. If an editor is interested in the history of Nazi Germany, I see no reason for us to state they cannot display that on their user page. That said, it appears like this specific user is intentionally attempting to be divisive in his posts both on his user page and elsewhere. See this where he lists "sluts" as an interest and here where he states "When I'm not banging hot sluts, I'm beasting on the Chess board." at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess. Although he redacted most of this, he initially stated "We could work together like the Gestapo and SS in Germany... you investigate and identify the deficient articles, and I'll round them up and ship them off. It'll be efficient." Taking all of these into consideration, I feel like OGBranniff is being intentionally offensive, and as such should not be allowed to keep the flag. RyanVesey 04:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • By demanding the removal, are we not giving OG what he wants? drama & attention? GoodDay (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • If this editor wrote "All modern Germans are Nazis" I would agree with its instant removal, but he hasn't. HiLo48 (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ryan, this sounds very familiar. Didn't we have another banned user who talked about women like this? Also, if anyone hasn't seen his AfD statistics, check them out.[320] They are totally bizarre. Viriditas (talk) 04:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Update: back in 2009, User:Badger Drink referred to an incident involving a blocked user who trolled Wikipedia as the "Aspergic Brazillian Concerned With Hot Jewish Sluts". Although the name of the user escapes me, I'm wondering if there is a connection. Viriditas (talk) 06:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is clear the user was misrepresenting the project in order to create the impression that the project itself used the Nazi flag in this manner. That is what is unacceptable.--Amadscientist (talk) 07:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seriously. You don't put Nazi flags anywhere. It's disruptive. "If he wants to self-identify as a Nazi I don't think it's our place to intefere with his form of expression"--bullshit: Wikipedia is not the place for self expression. If anyone wishes to express literally they can use a sock for it or get a MySpace page; if they wish to do so rhetorically they can do it in a way that is acceptable to the community and to common sense. Nazi flags are not acceptable. I can't believe this has to be said explicitly. Drmies (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've defended this user, to some extent or other, in the past, but I don't defend shit involving Nazi flags. Any proposal that starts with "indef" and ends with "block" has my full support, whatever clever stuff gets put in between. I'm tired of kids playing around with fucking Nazi flags like it's a game. It's not a game. It's not funny. Go play somewhere else--we're not a forum or a teenage chat site. Drmies (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Good call by Jayjg, appropriate guideline per Jayron32, conclusion per Drmies. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OGBranniff restored the flag, which I then reverted (with a promise to lock his userpage if he continues). --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Starts with indef and ends with block

  • Considering the most recent edit by Bongwarrior [321], the statement of Drmies above [322], and the evidence I presented above that OGBranniff is intentionally trying to offend other editors [323] I propose an indefinite block. Ryan Vesey 08:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As proposer, sort of, Drmies mentioned it first. Ryan Vesey 08:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - He looks like a pretty constructive editor, so I think blocking him will be a little too harsh. If he persists, perhaps just lock/delete his userpage. Only if he keeps on "Naziing" at various areas here on Wiki then I would support an indef block. Arctic Kangaroo 08:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Obvious blocked troll is obvious.[324] This appears to be the same user who was previously blocked for his "Aspergic Brazillian Concerned With Hot Jewish Sluts" trolling pre-2009.[325] I'm unable to recall the user name. Viriditas (talk) 08:48, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Reasonable, after looking at Viriditas' say. Arctic Kangaroo 08:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - unfortunatly, the evidence presented by Ryan and Viriditas is enough to indicate that this is someone who the project is better off without. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If xhe doesn't show up here and gives some sorta statement within the next half hour, support. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - would there be any value in requesting this editor to justify his use of the image and/or requesting that he removes it to avoid an indef bock? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Always have to be careful of time zones, but he's already responded 08:19 by restoring the Nazi flag. Unless there's any conceivable technical reason why Jayjg's page post would not have prompted an orange you have new messages box, looks like suicide by admin. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Wikipedia requires collaboration and is not an exercise in free speech. It may be ok if someone found a useful way to incorporate a Nazi emblem into their user page, but the method chosen is definitely not acceptable. A good-faith user would have responded to the polite request about the flag on their user page posted a few days ago. Johnuniq (talk) 09:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support indef block - per WP:POLEMIC, and per the fact that Nazis are not welcome here (or anywhere). Most likely a troll, most likely a returning blocked user, and I very much doubt he is Jewish as he claims below. GiantSnowman 09:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Typical ANI lynch mob approach to (non-)justice. No advice to the editor involved. Comments of others not so certain blatantly ignored. I don't care how guilty he is. He deserves a fairer trial than this. HiLo48 (talk) 10:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If not for obvious trolling... The discussion above is terrifying. People think they are objective while being political and prejudiced. I can imagine how the Chinese flag is being banned from Wikipedia tomorrow. And North Korean. The Soviet flag has been already mentioned. While the flag of the United States is also considered inappropriate in some countries. I have nothing against banning the swastica from user pages, but you should have invented a better reason. You were ready to ban the user without any reason at all, just because you didn't like the flag... --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, after considering the response below too - obvious troll/sock. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OG Branniff

Oh hi everybody, it's me, the subject of this discussion. I just noticed this discussion here. Yes I did change the user page back about an hour ago when I thought I had it changed without discussion, but I didn't know of this ANI or new messages till now. I had no idea this flag thing would be disturbing to anyone. I am Jewish myself. I am sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I am just interested in the history of Nazi Germany as you can see from my edits. Is there a Nazi Germany Wikiproject? Thanks, OGBranniff (talk) 09:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So what did you think this related to then? --John (talk) 09:48, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see that, sorry. OGBranniff (talk) 09:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many years ago there was a user named User:Wiki brah. Like you, Wiki brah is from São Paolo.[326][327] And like you, Wiki brah lived in Miami and spent time in New York, Germany, and Austria.[328][329] And like you, he referred to women as "sluts". Constantly. And like you, he would create user names with the first three letters in uppercase (User:FFDiempredome, User:BTO Roadie, User:SEB Chapman).[330] Even German user names like User:Hielmann.[[331] Would you say this is just an incredible coincidence and that this pattern only exists in my mind? Viriditas (talk) 09:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That all looks to me rather too much of a coincidence. While one might understand, or even tolerate, the use of the Nazi flag as a signifier of (one part of) modern German history, I really don't think referring to women as "sluts" can be tolerated here for one moment. I think a rapid resignation might be welcomed. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is socking at an almost industrial level Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Wiki brah. Which means he will back in the next 3 days with yet another one. Wiki brah, what are you doing this for? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite to over nine thousand sock level, but getting there. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is quite staggering. I think everyone would be genuinely interested to see an explanation. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given what Viriditas turned up regarding Wiki brah, Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me. - The BushrangerOne ping only 11:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OGB, has someone just invented this list as a personal vendetta against you? Could you please explain? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your question. Who besides you claimed anything about a personal vendetta? Could you please explain? OGBranniff (talk) 11:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Here's a different question - why have you created the 139 sockpuppets in that list? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what you are talking about, or why you are taking such a snide, confrontational tone. Thank you. OGBranniff (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I had thought my tone was quite neutral. So you are denying that any of these 139 accounts are in any way linked to you, yes? And another neutral question - why do you refer to women as "sluts"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The reason OGBranniff called your question snide and confrontational, User:Martinevans, is because "why have you created the 139 sockpuppets in that list?" is expressed as a question, but clearly and for all to see, it is instead, an unproven accusation. *Also*, where did OGBranniff write, that women = sluts. Nowhere, that's where. (Yet, again, you are not hesitant to accuse, with a very nasty accusation, which is really a form of personal attack itself, smearing him by putting words into his mouth he never said.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC) p.s. Lovely place is this, WP/ANI![reply]

Checkuser results

The evidence that Viriditas provided above was compelling enough to run a check on OGBranniff. The check confirmed a connection between the following accounts:

Note in particular that Hefha72 created this AfD which OGBranniff ended up voting delete on. Based on that it is Confirmed that Hefha72 and OGBranniff are operated by the same person (although note that two other checkusers seem to be more inclined to think it's meatpuppetry rather than sockpuppetry, see this). On the other hand, I'm left confused as to what Gregbard's involvement in this is. From the technical data, other than the one overlap I noted, his account looks separate enough from OGBranniff's. The most likely explanation, as I see it, is that they work together. That explanation fits very strongly with the technical data that I have available to me. For now, I'll keep investigating. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 10:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this Checkuser on Hefha72. Has anything changed since February 10th? I request that you redact your "confirmed" finding. You have confirmed nothing. OGBranniff (talk) 11:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have made that statement based on checkuser evidence I have available to me, so I request that you don't ask me to redact it. However, like your request to me, my request to you is worth nothing. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 11:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How is the "evidence" you have available any different than the evidence that the other two checkusers had in February? Please explain. OGBranniff (talk) 11:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Further technical evidence from your contributions, I'd presume. And, speaking frankly, the behavioral evidence presented above is sufficient that if I wasn't already involved in the discussion you'd be already blocked as being User:Wiki brah, so you need to provide some very convincing explanations as to how you're not him even though everything about you is exactly the same as him. - The BushrangerOne ping only 11:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can presume anything you'd like, but I wasn't asking you anything, was I? OGBranniff (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you want only one specific person to respond, use email. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 11:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's only one person with the personal knowledge necessary to answer the question, and that was "Deskana." You two jumping in with your accusations and off-topic "presumptions" are just making yourselves look foolish. OGBranniff (talk) 11:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly did I "accuse" you of? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556> haneʼ 11:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no "off topic" with regards to your behavior in an AN/I discussion. And, frankly, the refusal to address the issue only makes things look more suspicious, but I must be off to bed. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My CU results agree with what Deskana stated above and I am also convinced that Hefha72 and OGBranniff are one in the same. —DoRD (talk) 13:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I am both fascinated and concerned at this notice. I know of no connection that I have to these other accounts. I am who I say I am on my user page. My real name is Gregory James Bard. I was born in Norwalk, Connecticut. I lived in Chico, California for about twenty years until December 2010. Now I live in Barefoot Bay, Florida. Is there something that I am being accused of here? I will cooperate with any investigation that's going on, so what can I do for you? Greg Bard (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just one simple question, I suppose: do you go around calling women sluts? On a serious tip, I think this matter can be dealt with on the basis of behavioral evidence--or do we need to move this question to an SPI? Drmies (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No. I am an active and vocal feminist and humanist. I wouldn't use language that denigrates woman, nor any other group, because a human being is primarily an individual, not a member of some group. So what happened? I edit a lot of diverse articles. Greg Bard (talk) 19:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indef block

For all the above reasons (confirmed and suspected sockpuppetry, and behavioural reasons), I have indef blocked User:OGBranniff. Fram (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I still say the Nazi Flag shouldn't be removed/banned. However, the discussion did eventually lead to the uncovering of a sock-master (not to mention other provocative behaviour), so the indef is deserved. GoodDay (talk) 13:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you could agree that your viewpoint about the flag is in the minority though.--v/r - TP 13:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Atleast it hasn't been deleted from the Nazi Germany article. GoodDay (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It holds educational value there.--v/r - TP 14:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Flags can be tricky things it seems (even without flames). I was awaiting some kind of better explanation from that editor as to why he thought its use was justified on his User Page. In fact, he is still able to tell us on his Talk Page, if he wanted to. Not that many seem inclined to allow it back. Nor that, either way, it would greatly affect his behaviour, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I support the block for sockpuppetry. I do not support the removal of the flag from the userpage. I think it reeks of censorship of an unpopular position. If the userpage said "I think the Nazis were right in their eradication plan." I think that would be divisive and improper. The flag alone is not divisive enough in my opinion. Not that it really matters now they're indef blocked. James086Talk 16:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Displaying a Nazi flag is divisive. In an article, there is a context, a reason. The only context here is odd and damning: in a userbox the German flag is replaced with a swastika. How that can be read in any other way than "Germany=Nazi" is not clear to me. Placing a swastika on one's user page in some other way could conceivably provide a non-damning context, but I know people (oh, including me) who will instinctively turn away from such a user page and such a user. That's the result of division. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
On the other side of that coin: How far do we allow trolling to go so we're not "censoring?"--v/r - TP 16:48, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's a bright-line rule for what is divisive or not, nor should there be one because trolls will try to game the system if flexibility isn't permitted. In this case you two clearly think it's divisive enough while I do not. I find plenty of userboxes (standard ones, not even those with a replaced image) distasteful and would make me question the user's judgement, but I don't seek to delete or remove them. When someone is (or appears to be) editing Wikipedia with the intention of irritating others, then we should stop them, not if they hold unpopular views. I understand that consensus is against me here, but it doesn't change what I think is right. James086Talk 17:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit lost trying to understand those here who argue for allowing to use the Nazi flag to refer to modern Germany. Let's be very clear, the user did not "just" put a Nazi flag there, they explicitly used the Nazi flag to refer to modern Germany. That is quite a strong insult to both the Germany state and ordinary Germans. That being the case, I really cannot understand the logic and would be interested in hearing the argument for why users should be allowed to compare modern Germany and ordinary Germans to nazis even at their user page.Jeppiz (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's odd, because I don't see where anyone said that except you. (If that's wrong, please point out where someone said that, other than you.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "sluts" references, and Nazi-related references from OGBranniff, are both old news. (There was a no-sanction ANI triggered by the "sluts" comments, with two Admins concluding nothing blockable, one stating OGBranniff's behavior was "within behavioral guidelines". OGBranniff received a warning, and has made no further "sluts"-related comments since. That past incident seems to be used in this ANI to his disfavor, when it seems instead, that it should be to his credit, seeing that he demonstrated a change in that particular behavior after receiving his warning. Two project members were told to gather a wealth of meticulously documented diffs for any future case to have a chance in any venue, and RfC/U was strongly suggested as the proper venue by both Admins.) The only thing new here is the Userbox. (There was a sock-puppet investigation, as OGBranniff has pointed out above, with the result negative. Was there something deficient with that investigation? Was it conducted incompetently? OGBranniff asked rightly the same question above. Did he receive a clear answer?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why is any of this still being discussed? In regards to the Nazi flag discussion, if we want that discussion to continue, it can be taken to WP:VPP or some other venue than this. The rest of the issue related to OGBranniff is irrelevant, a CU confirmed that he was socking so. Ryan Vesey 18:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Ryan, above. Time to close this discussion.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you IHTS, for clarification of historical sluts. I am still confused about the relevance of a single negative sock-puppet investigation in the light of a list of 139 sockpuppets. But an indef block is an indef block, I guess, even if the user has been given "credit" for changing past behaviour. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Repeated aggressions

There are repeated vile attacks by 124.185.17.216 [332], [333], [334], [335]. Both another user and I have pointed out WP:FORUM but the IP keeps continuing to violate that princople, as well as violating WP:NPA. The fact that it takes places at an article at the heart of the WP:ARBMAC-ruling only makes it worse.Jeppiz (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh come on now. Yes you two pointed to FORUM--in edit summaries. I find it odd that neither of you had the energy, will power, determination, or common sense to mention this on the user's talk page, for instance, which is where such things need to start, yet you had no qualms about starting an ANI thread. Sure, their comments were not OK, but please act like a grown-up and take care of these matters in the appropriate way. Did you see what it says on the top of this very page? Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page. Go deal with it. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What should also be noted is that this is taking place on a talk page, and generally removing another person's comments are a violation of WP:TPG --Kyohyi (talk) 16:29, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My comments were directly removed without any consultation, or link to my user page. As per above this is a form of censorship of speech against the truth of the Macedonian state and a violation of WP:TPG if the user had an issue they would be more than welcome to raise it with me, or discuss the matters at hand. This is nothing more than petty censorship. You would also take note to realise that it is not the same user making both sets of comments so this is hardly "repeated". --124.185.17.216 (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually care much to discuss with IPs who compare other users to Hitler, that is true. My personal opinion is that such people should be banned from Wikipedia at sight. And removing comments that are purely intended to insult others and make no attempt to discuss how to improve the article is not a violation of WP:TPG.Jeppiz (talk) 22:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor, Wikipedia is not a forum, as you have seen. Your commentary is unwelcome here. Make such remarks or comparisons again and you will be blocked: "this is a form of censorship of speech against the truth of the Macedonian state" is utter nonsense. I hope that is clear. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a forum issue but a matter of reality about Titoism and other states modeled on facist ideology and the creation of modern Macedonia after World War II. It was a purely divisive name created by Tito to incite racist and nationalist hatred of the neighbouring Greek population. The irony of the facts is that it continues to work more than 70 years after the fact. This matter is not debatable. The creation of nationalism under a false identity by Tito is the issue here and any Macedonian smart enough should understand this.

The fact I raised this as a talk issue rather than an article issue does not make it a forum discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.17.216 (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not about The Truth. It is about verifiable facts. "Any Macedonian" is not a reliable source, please provide sources for your claims. If you cannot, this cannot be on Wikipedia; if you can, it should be included. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are already provided in articles pertaining to the Macedonian naming dispute and other similar articles that attempt to raise issue with the nationalist agenda of the current Macedonian state. Unfortunately Wikipedia has kowtowed to misinformation from Slavic Macedonians about the "history" of their nation rather than promoting education of the facts as they are --124.185.17.216 (talk) 01:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I can only conclude that this IP is much better than I at presenting the case for why they are unsuitable for Wikipedia. There's a reason for WP:ARBMAC.Jeppiz (talk) 09:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can only conclude that there is a bunch of nationalistic wikipedia editors who are Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system in order to promote misinformation. However from a historical, international and political perspective they do not have a leg to stand on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.17.216 (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please stop soapboxing? Thanks. Dolescum (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated aggressions

There are repeated vile attacks by 124.185.17.216 [336], [337], [338], [339]. Both another user and I have pointed out WP:FORUM but the IP keeps continuing to violate that princople, as well as violating WP:NPA. The fact that it takes places at an article at the heart of the WP:ARBMAC-ruling only makes it worse.Jeppiz (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh come on now. Yes you two pointed to FORUM--in edit summaries. I find it odd that neither of you had the energy, will power, determination, or common sense to mention this on the user's talk page, for instance, which is where such things need to start, yet you had no qualms about starting an ANI thread. Sure, their comments were not OK, but please act like a grown-up and take care of these matters in the appropriate way. Did you see what it says on the top of this very page? Before posting a grievance about a user here, please discuss the issue with them on their user talk page. Go deal with it. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What should also be noted is that this is taking place on a talk page, and generally removing another person's comments are a violation of WP:TPG --Kyohyi (talk) 16:29, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My comments were directly removed without any consultation, or link to my user page. As per above this is a form of censorship of speech against the truth of the Macedonian state and a violation of WP:TPG if the user had an issue they would be more than welcome to raise it with me, or discuss the matters at hand. This is nothing more than petty censorship. You would also take note to realise that it is not the same user making both sets of comments so this is hardly "repeated". --124.185.17.216 (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually care much to discuss with IPs who compare other users to Hitler, that is true. My personal opinion is that such people should be banned from Wikipedia at sight. And removing comments that are purely intended to insult others and make no attempt to discuss how to improve the article is not a violation of WP:TPG.Jeppiz (talk) 22:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor, Wikipedia is not a forum, as you have seen. Your commentary is unwelcome here. Make such remarks or comparisons again and you will be blocked: "this is a form of censorship of speech against the truth of the Macedonian state" is utter nonsense. I hope that is clear. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a forum issue but a matter of reality about Titoism and other states modeled on facist ideology and the creation of modern Macedonia after World War II. It was a purely divisive name created by Tito to incite racist and nationalist hatred of the neighbouring Greek population. The irony of the facts is that it continues to work more than 70 years after the fact. This matter is not debatable. The creation of nationalism under a false identity by Tito is the issue here and any Macedonian smart enough should understand this.

The fact I raised this as a talk issue rather than an article issue does not make it a forum discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.17.216 (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not about The Truth. It is about verifiable facts. "Any Macedonian" is not a reliable source, please provide sources for your claims. If you cannot, this cannot be on Wikipedia; if you can, it should be included. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are already provided in articles pertaining to the Macedonian naming dispute and other similar articles that attempt to raise issue with the nationalist agenda of the current Macedonian state. Unfortunately Wikipedia has kowtowed to misinformation from Slavic Macedonians about the "history" of their nation rather than promoting education of the facts as they are --124.185.17.216 (talk) 01:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I can only conclude that this IP is much better than I at presenting the case for why they are unsuitable for Wikipedia. There's a reason for WP:ARBMAC.Jeppiz (talk) 09:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can only conclude that there is a bunch of nationalistic wikipedia editors who are Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system in order to promote misinformation. However from a historical, international and political perspective they do not have a leg to stand on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.17.216 (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please stop soapboxing? Thanks. Dolescum (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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