위키백과:관리자 알림판/IncidentArchive973
Wikipedia:또 다른 WP:NOTHER HERE
| 블록이 떨어졌다. - 부시 레인저 03:53 (UTC) 2017년 12월 29일 ( |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
사용자:하마스 이슬람교도들이 내 토크 페이지 한 번만 편집한 가스 신규 계정에 가입: [1] 세라핌 시스템 09:13, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- WP에서 보고됨:UAA. 주말 아침 UTC(미국에서는 여전히 밤 사이)인 것을 감안하면, 저쪽에서 더 빨리 주의를 끌 수도 있을 것이다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 10:03, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 지금 바로 사용: 사용자:터키인들은 피에 굶주리고 대량학살 야만인[2]을 반복해서 올리고 있는데, 내 토크 페이지는 2017년 12월 23일 세라핌 시스템(talk)(UTC)을 긴급히 잠가야 한다[하라
- 나는 당신의 토크 페이지를 12시간 동안 보호해 주었고, '너무 긴 시간 동안 그들이 벽에 머리를 부딪쳐 지루해 할 수 있도록' '우리는 대화 페이지를 절대 보호하지 않기 위해 최선을 다한다'와 균형을 맞추었다. - 부시레인저One ping only 10:16, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 부시 관리인, 두 번째 계정에 대한 토크 페이지 액세스를 취소해 주시겠습니까?지텐 talk contribs 10:26, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 됐어. 다른 사람이 과실 혼수 상태에 있지 않다면, 그들은 기반 IP를 위한 블록을 조사할 수 있을까? - 부시 레인저One ping only 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 응, 이미 했어.놀랄 것도 없이, 그 계좌들은 대리점을 사용하고 있다.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 10:56 [
- Sockpuppet ip 110.77.181.148은 현재 관리자의 토크 페이지에서 전쟁을 편집하고 있다.[3] 그것은 마치 내가 JarlAxle로부터 받은 과거의 메시지처럼 들린다.세라핌 시스템(talk) 13:30, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 방금 그 IP를 차단했는데, 얼마나 오래 쓸 수 있을지 몰라서 일주일 동안이요.닌자 로보트피레이트, 이 IP는 이전에 우리의 사랑스러운 편집하지 않는 관리자인 프로시봇에 의해 타격을 받았다.아직 대리인지 조회할 줄 알아?나이튼드 (대화) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 13:51 [
- 위키피디아에 등록:열린 프록시/요청에 대한 Wiki프로젝트.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 13:56, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 이 시험은 보통 좋은 첫걸음이다.위키백과:열린 프록시/가이드에 대한 위키프로젝트 - 열린 프록시 확인에 대한 좋은 조언이 있다.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 14:19[
- 또 다른 IP 양말 123.185.128.87 토네이도 추적자 (토크) 14:28, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 사실, 이 IP는 중국 북부에 위치했고, 다른 IP는 방콕에서 왔다.토네이도 추적자 (토크) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC 14:51,
- 방금 그 IP를 차단했는데, 얼마나 오래 쓸 수 있을지 몰라서 일주일 동안이요.닌자 로보트피레이트, 이 IP는 이전에 우리의 사랑스러운 편집하지 않는 관리자인 프로시봇에 의해 타격을 받았다.아직 대리인지 조회할 줄 알아?나이튼드 (대화) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 13:51 [
- Sockpuppet ip 110.77.181.148은 현재 관리자의 토크 페이지에서 전쟁을 편집하고 있다.[3] 그것은 마치 내가 JarlAxle로부터 받은 과거의 메시지처럼 들린다.세라핌 시스템(talk) 13:30, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 됐어. 다른 사람이 과실 혼수 상태에 있지 않다면, 그들은 기반 IP를 위한 블록을 조사할 수 있을까? - 부시 레인저One ping only 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 부시 관리인, 두 번째 계정에 대한 토크 페이지 액세스를 취소해 주시겠습니까?지텐 talk contribs 10:26, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 나는 당신의 토크 페이지를 12시간 동안 보호해 주었고, '너무 긴 시간 동안 그들이 벽에 머리를 부딪쳐 지루해 할 수 있도록' '우리는 대화 페이지를 절대 보호하지 않기 위해 최선을 다한다'와 균형을 맞추었다. - 부시레인저One ping only 10:16, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 지금 바로 사용: 사용자:터키인들은 피에 굶주리고 대량학살 야만인[2]을 반복해서 올리고 있는데, 내 토크 페이지는 2017년 12월 23일 세라핌 시스템(talk)(UTC)을 긴급히 잠가야 한다[하라
Llywelyn의 BRD에 대한 단순 거부II
| OP에서 이 논의를 종결해 달라고 요청했는데, 현 시점에서는 행정 조치가 필요하지 않다. --Maleroster (대화) 22:37, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC) (비관리자 종결)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
사용자 LlywelinII는 난징에 과감한 변화를 주었고, US ENGVAR을 부과했다.그 글에는 합의된 내용이 없었다.그는 WP에 의한 복귀를 거절했다.BRD는 설득력 없는 명분과 대화 페이지에서 느리게 토론한다.WP:분산 결의안 게시판에는 광범위한 토크 페이지 토론이 필요하며, 사용자는 (지금까지) 그다지 의무적이지 않기 때문에 내가 여기에 도착하게 된다.사용자는 자신의 Engvar를 부과한 이력이 있다.이런 행동은 정말 짜증나는 행동이다.Batternut (대화) 07:24, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- Batternut, 누군가를 ANI에 데려가는 것은 "theatre"의 철자를 그렇게 빨리 넘기는 것은 좀 지나치지 않은가?다른 편집자가 "비판적"이라고 생각하는데 어떤 행정 조치를 제안하는 겁니까?이것은 나에게 정원 버라이어티 콘텐츠 논쟁처럼 보이며, 당신이 그 문제를 협력적으로 해결하기 위해 거의 노력을 하지 않은 것처럼 보인다.컬렌렛은328 2017년 12월 28일 08:53 (UTC)에 대해 토론하자[하라
- Cullen328, 나는 당신의 우편으로 인해 더 긴 회신이 있었지만, 그것은 같은 선에 있었다.봐, 예를 들어, Talk:같은 브라이트라인 시험을 신청한 항저우는 영국영어를 위해 그 페이지를 해결했다.그것은 단지 페이지를 깨끗하게 유지하기 위한 것이고, 실질적인 이유나 강력한 합의가 있다면, 그 정책을 무시할 때 입니다.영국 영어에 찬성하는 실질적인 토론이나 배트너트로부터 새로운 합의점을 찾는 것을 본 적이 없다. 비록 내가 그러한 선택들을 제기했고 그는 몇몇 일반적인 난징 편집자들의 대화 페이지에 글을 올렸을지 모르지만 나는 단지 그것을 보지 못했다.— LlywelinII 09:01, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 토크 페이지의 질문에 답해보는 건 어때?즉 "Oxford 철자 "-ize"는 미국 철자를 확립하지 않는다.물론 여기서 빠르게 이야기하지만, 실제적인 요점에 대해서는 더디게 논의한다.대신 여기서 논의를 진행해야 하는가?Batternut (대화) 09:21, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 나는 영어의 변주곡에 대해 싸우는 것이 비생산적이기도 하고 거드름을 피우기도 하는 것이라고 생각한다.개인적으로, 나는 영국에서 온 누군가가 내 미국 철자를 영국식 철자로 바꾼다면 조금도 개의치 않을 것이다.그것을 한번 해 보시지요.컬렌렛328 2017년 12월 28일 09:07 (UTC) 토론하자[하라
몇몇 일반적
인 난징편집자들의 토크 페이지에 게시
된 - 증거 부탁해!!이 토론의 장소는 Talk:내가 올린 유일한 장소인 난징(Lywelin 제외)II의 토크 페이지).Batternut (대화) 09:28, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- (갈등 편집) 내가 빨리 왔을지도 모른다는 점에 주목하면서도 편집자는 토크 페이지 토론은 무시한 채 다른 곳에서 매우 적극적이었다(자신의 기여를 보라).자신의 ENGVAR을 부과하는 것 외에 자신의 버전의 기사가 최신으로 남아 있는 동안 재빨리 되돌리되 토론은 느리게 하는 관행은 적어도 내가 바라는 정신에는 있지 않다.어떤 조치를 취해야 할지 모르겠어. 추천해줄 사람 있어?Batternut (대화) 09:14, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 내가 릴리웰린에게 감동받지 않는 동안II의 편집 패턴, 기사는 정말로 미국 영어로 작성되어야 한다; 초기 수감자들은 중립적이었습니다. (즉, 인식/z의 "z"라고는 하지만, 2004년까지 그것은 US-ENG로 작성되었다. 정말 큰 문제가 아니다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC) 15:13[
- Cullen328, 나는 당신의 우편으로 인해 더 긴 회신이 있었지만, 그것은 같은 선에 있었다.봐, 예를 들어, Talk:같은 브라이트라인 시험을 신청한 항저우는 영국영어를 위해 그 페이지를 해결했다.그것은 단지 페이지를 깨끗하게 유지하기 위한 것이고, 실질적인 이유나 강력한 합의가 있다면, 그 정책을 무시할 때 입니다.영국 영어에 찬성하는 실질적인 토론이나 배트너트로부터 새로운 합의점을 찾는 것을 본 적이 없다. 비록 내가 그러한 선택들을 제기했고 그는 몇몇 일반적인 난징 편집자들의 대화 페이지에 글을 올렸을지 모르지만 나는 단지 그것을 보지 못했다.— LlywelinII 09:01, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
Cullen328 행정관의 조언 "Go for
it"
은 철자를 마음대로 바꿀 수 있는 자유처럼 들린다.토크 페이지를 귀찮게 할 필요는 없고, 사용자가 30번 편집한 내용 중 그 이후 그 어떤 것도 그 논의를 더 진행하지 않은 것은 놀랄 일이 아니다.바테르누트 (대화) 15:23, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
사용자:Tgeorgescu 무시 WP:프록시
| OP는 잘 구축된 인형술사의 양말처럼 막혔다.파보니아어 (토크) 22:21, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
나는 중국인 거주자여서 대리점을 사용할 수 밖에 없다.나는 여러 번 WP가 다음과 같이 설명하였다.프록시는 나와 같은 사용자들이 프록시를 통해 편집할 수 있다고 말한다.
다음 관련 부분을 인용했다.
"토르를 포함한 개방되거나 익명화된 프록시는 언제든지 편집이 차단될 수 있다.이것이 합법적인 사용자에게 영향을 미칠 수 있지만, 그들은 의도된 대상이 아니며 그것들이 차단될 때까지 자유롭게 프록시를 사용할 수 있다.위키피디아를 공개 또는 익명으로 읽는 데는 제한이 없다."
그래도 이해할 만한 역량이 없는 것 같아. 169.239.20.27 (대화) 20:39, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 당신은 아일랜드 노예 신화 기사에서 다양한 대리점 등을 사용하여 조직적으로 편집전을 벌이는 것처럼 보인다. 그리고 이제 당신은 당신의 반대자 중 한 명에게 인신공격에 의지한다.좋게 끝나지 않을 거야파보니아어 (토크) 20:45, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 체계적으로? 어떻게?그것이 무엇이든 간에 그것은 지금 당면한 문제와는 전혀 무관하다.편집 전쟁 알림판에서 이미 토론이 진행 중이다.이 문제를 계속 여기서 다룰 수 있을까?169.239.20.27 (대화)20:52,2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 나는 IP가 그의 편집 전쟁이 합법적인 용도에 적합하지 않다는 것을 이해하지 못할 수도 있다고 믿는다.IP는 이 스레드가 열리기 전에 Tgeorgescu에 의해 보고되었으며 나는 IP 블록을 포함할 것이라는 거의 의심하지 않는 요청의 해결로 폐쇄할 것을 제안한다.존 카터 (대화)20:50, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 우리가 이 문제에 대해 여기서 실제로 언급할 수 있을까?문제는 내가 편집을 허락받는 문제.169.20.27 (대화) 20:52, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 실제로 당면한 문제는 편집자간의 전쟁을 포함한 편집자로서의 당신의 행동이다.모든 관련 지침과 정책을 읽어서 편집으로 돌아갈 때 보고될 가능성이 낮아지고 그때 다시 차단될 가능성이 높아지도록 할 것을 강력히 요청하십시오.존 카터 (대화) 21:02, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:존 카터는 그것에 대해 이미 편집 전쟁 게시판에서 토론하고 있다.대리점에 대한 논의. 169.239.20.27 (대화) 21:05, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 모든 관련자의 행동이 ANI에서 합리적으로 논의될 수 있음을 나타내는 모든 관련 지침과 정책을 다시 한번 검토해보시기를 강력히 건의드리며, 여기에는 당신의 편집 전쟁과 프록시 적용에 대한 당신의 대단히 유능한 파악이 포함된다.존 카터 (대화) 21:09, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:존 카터 다른 게시판에서 이미 토론이 진행 중이기 때문에 이 논의를 대리점에 집중시키는 것이 더 낫다.만약 당신이 편집 전쟁에 대해 논의하고 싶다면, 거기에 당신의 의견을 남겨주십시오.어쨌든 나는 프록시에 대해 많은 논의를 하고 있지 않다. 그래서 내가 여기 온 것이다.당신들은 쓸모가 없어. 169.239.20.27 (대화) 21:15, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[하라
- 프록시 중 하나가 차단된 후 여러 프록시 중에서 선택할 수 있다고 해서 WP:3RR에서 면제되는 것은 아니다.특히 우리가 꽥꽥거리는 소리를 들을 때.Tgeorgescu (대화) 21:11, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[하라
- 실제로 당면한 문제는 편집자간의 전쟁을 포함한 편집자로서의 당신의 행동이다.모든 관련 지침과 정책을 읽어서 편집으로 돌아갈 때 보고될 가능성이 낮아지고 그때 다시 차단될 가능성이 높아지도록 할 것을 강력히 요청하십시오.존 카터 (대화) 21:02, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 우리가 이 문제에 대해 여기서 실제로 언급할 수 있을까?문제는 내가 편집을 허락받는 문제.169.20.27 (대화) 20:52, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- IP가 아직 삭싱과 편집-워링으로 차단되지 않은 타당한 이유가 있는가?--Ymblanter (대화) 21:14, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 일주일 동안 알버트 아인슈타인의 종교적, 철학적인 견해를 보호했을 뿐이다.-임블란터 (대화) 21:15, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:임블란터 중국인 거주자의 대리점 이용에 대해 할 말이 있는가?169.239.20.27 (대화)21:17, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 일주일 동안 알버트 아인슈타인의 종교적, 철학적인 견해를 보호했을 뿐이다.-임블란터 (대화) 21:15, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
좋았지만 TGeorgescu의 반전이 몇 개 이상인 IP 블록과 논쟁하지 않는 것은 DENNE 또는 SOCK을 호출했다.합법적이었나? --NeilN 21:25, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 이것은 분명히 Tgeorgescu와 풀베르트 팀이 그들을 되돌린 것과 같은 IP였다.그들 중 누구도 3RR을 초과한 것 같지는 않지만, 특히 토크 페이지 토론이 진행 중이었기 때문에, 이것은 확실히 모범 사례에 속하지 않는다.-Ymblanter (talk) 21:31, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
편집기 스팸 발송 비즈니스 AfDs에 쓸모 없는 !보트
가이에 의해 차단된 편집자, 더 이상의 조치 필요 없음. --Maleroster (토크) 22:40, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC) (비관리자 폐쇄)[
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- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
관리자가 심각한 역량 문제를 안고 있는 것으로 보이는 헤이 유, 예 유!(토크 · 기여 · 카운트 · 로그)의 편집 이력을 살펴봤으면 한다.이 편집자는 주로 비즈니스 AfDs에 참여하는데, AfDs는 동일한 기본 삭제 근거를 가지고 있다.아이러니하게도 이 스팸 근거는 기사가 스팸/홍보물이기 때문에 삭제해야 한다는 것이다.예: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]을 참조하십시오.이 편집자는 그 단어들을 계속 사용하지만, 나는 그것들이 그가 생각하는 의미를 의미한다고 생각하지 않는다.또한 그가 북미1000에 의해 제공된 출처를 무시한 다음, 슈퍼마켓 대신 레스토랑으로 잘못 식별하는 이 투표도 고려해보자.이러한 명백한 오류는 NA1K가 HYY가 실제로 출처를 조사했는지 여부를 정확히 질문하도록 자극한다.AfD 문제는 충분히 심각하지만, 편집자는 또한 토크 페이지 경고와 함께 NA1K의 편집 분쟁에 자신을 연루시키는 것에 의존했다.HYYYY는 자신의 자체 사용자 페이지에서 그가 이전 비밀번호를 잃어버려서가 아니라 새로운 계정을 만든 돌아온 편집자라고 설명하지만, 어쩌면 그의 이전 계정이 이런 혼란으로 인해 차단된 것이 아닌가 하는 의구심이 들 만하다.르프리카바크 (대화) 22:02, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- WP당 차단됨:NOTHERE, WP:NPA 및 WP:포인트. 만약 그가 사실을 설명하고 좀 진정하고 싶다면, 그는 아마 차단되지 않을 수도 있지만, 지금으로서는 이것은 모든 사람들의 시간을 낭비하는 것이다.가이 (도움말!) 2017년 12월 28일 22시 20분 (UTC)[
언어 창조 협회에서 역사가 필요한가?
| 기사가 무효화되었다.이 논의는 선의의 공헌자와 명백한 COI를 가진 자들의 자유로운 배합에 관한 것이기 때문에, 나는 더 이상 논쟁의 중심지가 존재하지 않기 때문에, 이 사회의 설립자들과 회원들의 어떤 더 이상의 드라마도 전술적으로 다루어질 수 있다는 것을 근거로, 나는 그것을 종결시키고 있다.Guy (Help!) 09:12, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
작년에, 언어 창조 협회 기사는 AfD에서 삭제되었고, DRV에서 삭제되었는데, 이 기사는 AfD를 지지했지만, 기사 초안을 작성했고, AfC가 레크리에이션 전에 승인을 요구하였다.초안은 올해 초 G13을 통해 삭제됐다.어제 필자는 삭제된 기사의 이전 버전과 실질적으로 유사한 내용을 담고 있는 언어창작회 기사가 재탄생된 것을 주목했다.G4용으로 태그해놨더니 삭제됐고, 그 다음엔 어떤 이유로 번복됐지...그리고 나서 사용자 공간에 다시 고정되어 AfC에 태그가 붙었고 그리고 30분 후에 수락되었다.그런 다음 초안:언어 창조 협회는 어떤 이유에서인지 복원되었다.LCS 기사가 다시 AfD에 있는 동안, 나는 구 기사에서 창조적인 영향력이 있는 것이 꽤 분명하고, 두 기사 모두 현재 및 이전 LCS 이사회 멤버들과 LCS와 재정적으로 연결된 개인들로부터 상당한 편집을 받았기 때문에 초안과의 이력서가 필요할 수 있다고 생각한다.어떤 입력이든 환영할 것이다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 00:05, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 음... AFD에서 위키 캔버스 제작이 진행되고 있을 거야예를 들어 User:Zompist, 지난 5년 동안 몇 가지 편집한 편집자가 갑자기 와서 투표를 계속한다고?믿기 어려운 데.일부 셰나니건이 일어나고 있는데, 이를 조사할 행정관이 필요하다. --타라지 (대화) 05:37, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 여기서 이상한 일이 벌어지고 있어.AfC는 두 달이나 밀린 것 같지 않아?어떻게 이것이 삭제되지 않은 사용자 페이싱에서 AfC에 대한 제출(기사 작성자가 요청하지 않은 경우), 30분 만에 승인되고 메인 스페이스(및 AfC에 제출한 동일인)까지 진행되었는가?—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 06:57, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
사람들이 바깥 세상을 즐기고 있지 않은 명절인 건 알지만, 제발, 행정관 중 누구라도 이것을 들여다 볼 수 있을까?우리는 그 기사의 창간과 투표 모두에서 COI 문제를 인정했다.전혀 괜찮지 않아. --Tarage (대화) 08:57, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 역사 병합의 필요성은 없어 보인다. 현재의 기록 작성은 초안화된 기록과 매우 다르다.게다가 WP도 있다.병렬 역사 문제.다른 건 아무 말도 하지 마조조 유메루스(토크, 기여) 11:11, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
사용자:피그손더윙
나는 이 기사와 관련하여 앤디 맵베트로 불리는 피그선더윙의 행동에 대해 점점 더 걱정하고 있다.나는 그 기사에 적절히 꼬리표를 붙였다.{{coi}}앤디는 이미 전쟁을 편집하여 제거하고 있다.토크 페이지 스레드가 있다는 점을 감안할 때, 이번 제거는 명백히 부적절하다.앤디는 내가 그의 제거가 부적절하다고 통보하자 즉시 그의 사용자 대화 페이지에서 나를 금지시켰다.앤디의 아주 아주 아주 오랜 행동의 역사를 볼 때, 나는 앤디의 행동이 감당할 수 없을 정도로 커지기 전에 여기서 그의 행동에 대한 어떤 조사가 적절하다고 생각한다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 10:28, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 물론 당신은 걱정한다 - 당신은 사람들이 당신이 템플릿 자체의 사용 지침과 반대로 COI 태그를 적용하고 있다는 것을 지적하는 것을 좋아하지 않는다, 심지어 언급된 지침을 읽도록 권고한 후에 그렇게 하는 것 조차 그렇다; 당신은 정규 편집자들의 토크 페이지에 태그를 붙이기 위해 불려지는 것을 좋아하지 않는다; 당신은 근거 없는 당신의 비속어 때문에 불려지는 것을 좋아하지 않는다.기사 삭제 논의에 관한 토막글여기서 문제를 제기함으로써 관리자들이 여러분 자신의 행동을 조사하고 전쟁을 편집한다는 것을 아시죠?아, 그리고 내가 너한테 내 토크 페이지에 올리지 말라고 말했는데, 너는 또 그렇게 했어.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); 앤디와 대화; 앤디의 편집 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 앤디가 현재 언어 창조 협회에서 3RR을 위반했다는 것에 주목하라.차이: [14], [15], [16], [17]처음 되돌릴 당시 내가 그 기사의 COI 문제를 논의하기 위해 토크 페이지 스레드를 만들지 않았다는 앤디의 말이 옳다고 해도(확실히 위키백과에서 논의 중이었음에도 불구하고): 유지 관리 템플릿 제거에 대한 3RRR도 예외는 없다.삭제/언어창작회 기사(2차 지명) 그리고 나는 그 문제를 두 번째 되돌리기 전에 절대적으로 수정했었다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 10:55, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 이것은 극도로 불만족스럽다.사용자:Pigsonthewing, 나는 토크 페이지 토론이 문제를 해결하거나 이 토론 과정에서 고려될 때까지 COI 템플릿을 복원했다(내용 유출이 아닌 행동의 일부로서).그러나 당신은 분명히 그것에 대해 편집 전쟁을 하고 있다.WTRMT는 사용자의 입장을 지원하지 않는다. "템플릿이 배치되었을 때 속하지 않았거나 오류가 추가되었을 때...템플릿의 원래 플래커와 그 문제를 의논하는 것이 좋다."a)는 템플릿에 대해 감사하지 않으며, b) 편집-경쟁이 어떤 구성인지 정확히 알고 있으므로, 통상적인 절차 {{uw-ew}}이(가) 필요하지 않은 것으로 간주할 수 있는가? >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 11:12, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
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- 멘달리브는 COI 태그를 4번, 피그선더윙은 4번 추가했다.어느 경우에도 그 행동은 만족스럽지 않다.그러나 앤디의 템플릿의 첫 번째 제거는 멘달리브가 토크 페이지에 대한 토론을 시작하지 않았기 때문에 –그 사용에 대한 지침을 위반했기 때문에 정당화되었다는 점에 주목할 필요가 있다.그때의 나의 충고는 도전했던 내용을 다시 추가하기보다는 BRD에 따라, 토크로 템플릿에 대한 토론을 시작하라는 것이었을 것이다.그럼에도 불구하고, 우리는 우리가 있는 곳에 있고, 나는 여전히 올바른 행동 방침이 내가 인식한 문제들에 대한 설명을 요구하기 전까지 확실히 맨몸으로 보이던 기사 토크 페이지에서 그러한 차이점들을 해결하려고 노력하는 것이라고 생각한다.기사 페이지에서도 제기되지 않은 이슈(COI 태그)를 놓고 경험 많은 편집자들이 ANI에 너무 빨리 의존하고 있어 실망스럽다. --RexxS (토크) 11:34, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 나의 첫 번째 추가는 되돌리기가 아니었다.WP:3RR은 여기서 앤디와 앤디 혼자 위반했다.그리고 나는 앤디가 나에게 WP:KEEP 경고를 주었고, 그 후 토크 페이지에서 COI 토론이 있었음에도 불구하고 COI 템플릿을 제거하기 위해 계속해서 전쟁을 편집해왔기 때문에 이것을 ANI에 가져다 주었다.게다가 앤디는 위키피디아에 참여하는 것만으로 불평이 무엇인지 충분히 알고 있었다.삭제/언어창작회 기사(2차 지명)를 보면 토론을 구했다면 토크페이지에 참여할 수 있었을 것이다.앤디는 3RR을 어기지 않는 것을 더 잘 안다.이건 우리 둘 다에게 손가락을 흔들어서 고치는 게 아니야.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 11:40, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 그리고 단지 이것이 나 혼자만의 문제가 아니라는 것을 증명하기 위해서, 바로 오늘 앤디는 프란츠 슈베르트 (오늘: [18], [19], 12월 4일: [20], [21], [22], 11월 30일: [23], [24])의 무대 작품에서 한 달간의 편집 전쟁을 계속했는데, 이 편집은 이전에 포함되었던 템플릿:슈베르트 무대 작품 (11월 30일: [25], [26])이젠 그만 둬야 해.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 12:40, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 나는 앤디의 편집 전쟁을 결코 용납하지 않지만, 그렇게 쉽게 변명할 수는 없다.나는 네 번 페이지에 같은 내용을 추가하는 너처럼 존경받고 경험 많은 편집자에게 심각하게 실망하고 있다.그것 또한 편집-전쟁이 아니라면, 난 뭐가 뭔지 모르겠어.COI 태그에 도전하는 순간, 당신은 왜 태그가 필요한지 설명하면서 토크 페이지에 있어야 하는데, 그것은 아직 하지 않은 것이다.
"기고자의 개입으로 기사의 중립성에 중대하거나 중대한 문제가 있는 경우를 제외하고는 이 태그를 사용하지 마십시오.
다른 {{POV} 태그와 마찬가지로 이 태그는 편집자의 정체성에 대해 수치심을 나타내는 배지나 '독자 워닝'을 위한 것이 아니다.
'기고자의 개입으로 인한 기사의 중립성에 중대하거나 중대한 문제'는 무엇이며, 왜 그 정보를 토크 페이지의 줄기에 제공하지 않았는가?(앤디처럼) 당신의 의도는 좋다고 믿지만 FFS가 제대로 실행해나가기 때문에, 진심으로 당신에게 제재할 수 있는 유일한 제재가 나의 '손가락질'이기를 바란다. --RexS (대화) 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC 12시 58분, 2017년 12월 23분 ()- 위에서 설명한 바와 같이, 그리고 토크 페이지에서는 이미 위키백과에서 논의가 잘 진행되고 있었다.앤디가 잘 알고 있는 삭제/언어창작회(2차 지명) 기사.현재 토크 페이지에서는 토론이 없었다는 점에서 앤디가 기술적으로 옳았는가?그럴지도 모르지, 하지만 확실히 정신은 그렇지 않아.앤디의 행동은 지침도 아닌 일에 기술성을 이용하는 것이었다.내가 한 짓이 잘못된 걸까?아마도 절차상의 문제일 것이다.그것이 잘못된 것이었는가 아니면 진행중인 토론이나 토론에 편견을 야기시켰는가?지옥 발사 NO."양쪽 집에 수두룩" 일상은 그만 두자.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 13:11, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 하지 말자.템플리트의 목적은 어떤 이슈에 대한 토론에 더 많은 의견과 편집자를 참여시키는 것이다.한 무권한 편집자가 AfD 페이지의 어떤 토론에서가 아니라, COI가 속한 토크 페이지에서 해당 기사에 미치는 영향에 대한 토론을 보게 될 것이다.자신이 된 만큼 이슈에 관여했을 때 외부인의 시각에서 어떻게 보이는지 보기 어려운 것으로 알고 있지만, {{COI}}에 대한 가처분 신청은 단순한 기술적인 것이 아니라 실용적이다.누군가가 그 템플릿을 보면, 그들은 대화 페이지의 토론과 연결된다.당신은 AfD에 대해 알고 있지만, 당신이 완전히 다른 페이지에서 토론을 진행하고 있다는 것은 외부인에게 결코 명백하지 않다.나는 앤디의 토크 페이지에서 온 후 완전한 그림을 얻기 위해 한동안 이리저리 돌아다녀야 했는데, 그곳에서 당신은 완전히 부적절한 "Welcome to Wikipedia" 템플릿을 14년 임기의 편집자 페이지에 떨어뜨렸다.도대체 무슨 생각을 하고 있었던 거야? --RexxS (대화) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 14:00[
- 위에서 설명한 바와 같이, 그리고 토크 페이지에서는 이미 위키백과에서 논의가 잘 진행되고 있었다.앤디가 잘 알고 있는 삭제/언어창작회(2차 지명) 기사.현재 토크 페이지에서는 토론이 없었다는 점에서 앤디가 기술적으로 옳았는가?그럴지도 모르지, 하지만 확실히 정신은 그렇지 않아.앤디의 행동은 지침도 아닌 일에 기술성을 이용하는 것이었다.내가 한 짓이 잘못된 걸까?아마도 절차상의 문제일 것이다.그것이 잘못된 것이었는가 아니면 진행중인 토론이나 토론에 편견을 야기시켰는가?지옥 발사 NO."양쪽 집에 수두룩" 일상은 그만 두자.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 13:11, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 나는 앤디의 편집 전쟁을 결코 용납하지 않지만, 그렇게 쉽게 변명할 수는 없다.나는 네 번 페이지에 같은 내용을 추가하는 너처럼 존경받고 경험 많은 편집자에게 심각하게 실망하고 있다.그것 또한 편집-전쟁이 아니라면, 난 뭐가 뭔지 모르겠어.COI 태그에 도전하는 순간, 당신은 왜 태그가 필요한지 설명하면서 토크 페이지에 있어야 하는데, 그것은 아직 하지 않은 것이다.
- 그리고 단지 이것이 나 혼자만의 문제가 아니라는 것을 증명하기 위해서, 바로 오늘 앤디는 프란츠 슈베르트 (오늘: [18], [19], 12월 4일: [20], [21], [22], 11월 30일: [23], [24])의 무대 작품에서 한 달간의 편집 전쟁을 계속했는데, 이 편집은 이전에 포함되었던 템플릿:슈베르트 무대 작품 (11월 30일: [25], [26])이젠 그만 둬야 해.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 12:40, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 나의 첫 번째 추가는 되돌리기가 아니었다.WP:3RR은 여기서 앤디와 앤디 혼자 위반했다.그리고 나는 앤디가 나에게 WP:KEEP 경고를 주었고, 그 후 토크 페이지에서 COI 토론이 있었음에도 불구하고 COI 템플릿을 제거하기 위해 계속해서 전쟁을 편집해왔기 때문에 이것을 ANI에 가져다 주었다.게다가 앤디는 위키피디아에 참여하는 것만으로 불평이 무엇인지 충분히 알고 있었다.삭제/언어창작회 기사(2차 지명)를 보면 토론을 구했다면 토크페이지에 참여할 수 있었을 것이다.앤디는 3RR을 어기지 않는 것을 더 잘 안다.이건 우리 둘 다에게 손가락을 흔들어서 고치는 게 아니야.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 11:40, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 멘달리브는 COI 태그를 4번, 피그선더윙은 4번 추가했다.어느 경우에도 그 행동은 만족스럽지 않다.그러나 앤디의 템플릿의 첫 번째 제거는 멘달리브가 토크 페이지에 대한 토론을 시작하지 않았기 때문에 –그 사용에 대한 지침을 위반했기 때문에 정당화되었다는 점에 주목할 필요가 있다.그때의 나의 충고는 도전했던 내용을 다시 추가하기보다는 BRD에 따라, 토크로 템플릿에 대한 토론을 시작하라는 것이었을 것이다.그럼에도 불구하고, 우리는 우리가 있는 곳에 있고, 나는 여전히 올바른 행동 방침이 내가 인식한 문제들에 대한 설명을 요구하기 전까지 확실히 맨몸으로 보이던 기사 토크 페이지에서 그러한 차이점들을 해결하려고 노력하는 것이라고 생각한다.기사 페이지에서도 제기되지 않은 이슈(COI 태그)를 놓고 경험 많은 편집자들이 ANI에 너무 빨리 의존하고 있어 실망스럽다. --RexxS (토크) 11:34, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:피그슨더윙은 또한 이 토론을 내 토크페이지로 알려진 유명한 막다른 골목으로 데려가려고 시도했다. 관련 섹션은 여기 있다.just FAYI. >시리얼넘버54129...speculates 14:27 (UTC) 2017년 12월 23일 (
- @피그손더윙과 멘달리브: 이것을 두 사람 모두에게 경고라고 생각하라.Pigsonthewing You는 WP:3RR를 위반하여 경고를 받고 있다.당신은 이 이슈를 기사의 토크 페이지로, 또는 필요하다면 ANI로 가져왔어야 했다.멘달리브 당신은 편집 전쟁으로 경고를 받고 있고 과정을 따르지 않는다.태그가 제거되는 경우 태그를 다시 인스턴스화하기 전에 그 이유를 설명하십시오.만약 이 이슈에 대한 기사 토론 페이지가 없다면, 태그는 거기에 있을 곳이 없고, 외부 편집자들은 AfD에서 그 토론을 찾을 수 없을 것이다.—사이버파워 (메리 크리스마스) 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC) 14:45[
- 만약 편집자가 10년 이상 재직하고 있다면.wiki는 이러한 종류의 전면적인 스팸과 유효한 COI 태그를 제거하기 위한 편집-워링을 받아들이고 있다. 한숨쉬고 있다.날개깃 16Godric:50, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 기사는 "정확한 스팸"이 아니며, 여전히 기사에 있는 COI 태그는 자체 문서에 따라 유효하지 않다.본 섹션의 머리부분에서 "이전 버전과 실질적으로 유사한" 주장도 논박되었다.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); 앤디와 대화; 앤디의 편집 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- "실종"이라니 무슨 소리야?내가 이 절에서 그들이 실질적으로 비슷하다고 말한 곳은 어디인가?나는 버전들 사이에 분명한 창조적인 영향력이 있다고 말했는데, 다시 말해서 LCS 계열의 개인들이 서로 상당한 편집을 한 이상, 새로운 기사는 그 입증된 점에 근거하여 파생된 것으로 보인다는 것이다.고맙게도 조조 유메루스는 묵은 초안을 현재의 기사로 재조정하는 받아들일 만한 대안을 생각해 냈다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 20:04, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 당신의
글에서 나온 말바딤 인용
: "어제
, 나는 언어 창조 협회 기사가 삭제된 이전버전
의 글과실질적으로 유사한 내용을 담고
있는것을 알아차렸다."
Jo-Jo-Emerus의 이 논평에서 지적된 바는"현재의 글은 초안화된 것과 매우 다르다"
이다.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); 앤디와 대화; 앤디의 편집 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[- 저런, 내가 내 글을 잘못 읽었군!
페이스팜 나는 오늘 이 우스꽝스러운 주제에 대해 아주 많은 글을 올렸다.내 요점은 그 새 기사가 옛날 것을 모방한 것이 아니라, 나는 귀속성이 요구될 수 있다고 믿었던 것과 같은 명백한 창조적 영향력이 있다는 것이었다.그래서 내가 거기서 히스테리에 대해 말한 거야.조조는 동의하지 않았고, 그것이 문제가 될 것이 분명했기 때문에 나는 그것을 받아들였다.게다가, 이전 초안은 새로운 페이지로 옮겨졌고, 나는 그것이 받아들일 수 없는 삭제되지 않은 결과라고 이해한다.내가 생각했던 것만큼 깨끗한 귀속사슬은 아니지만, 어쨌든.어쨌든, 현재의 기사는 이 참패의 시작에 있었던 것보다 훨씬 낫다.많은 양의 육중한 조각들이 벗겨졌다.LCS의 임무 성명이 두드러지고 그들이 대중에게 제공한 프로페셔널 서비스에 대해 토론하는 섹션이 있었던 이전 초안보다 훨씬 더 훌륭하다는 것은 인정한다.그래서 확실히 LCS 사람들이 만든 예전 버전만큼 스팸메일은 아니다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 20:42, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 저런, 내가 내 글을 잘못 읽었군!
- 당신의
- "실종"이라니 무슨 소리야?내가 이 절에서 그들이 실질적으로 비슷하다고 말한 곳은 어디인가?나는 버전들 사이에 분명한 창조적인 영향력이 있다고 말했는데, 다시 말해서 LCS 계열의 개인들이 서로 상당한 편집을 한 이상, 새로운 기사는 그 입증된 점에 근거하여 파생된 것으로 보인다는 것이다.고맙게도 조조 유메루스는 묵은 초안을 현재의 기사로 재조정하는 받아들일 만한 대안을 생각해 냈다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 20:04, 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
- 기사는 "정확한 스팸"이 아니며, 여전히 기사에 있는 COI 태그는 자체 문서에 따라 유효하지 않다.본 섹션의 머리부분에서 "이전 버전과 실질적으로 유사한" 주장도 논박되었다.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); 앤디와 대화; 앤디의 편집 2017년 12월 23일 (UTC)[
잘못된 COI 태그 지정
@Mendaliv, Tarage, Pigsonthewing, 일련 번호 54129, RexxS, Godric의 날개 달린 블레이드, 사이버파워678:
멘달리브는 Language Creation Society에 COI를 태그했다.그러나 실질적인 비중립적 편집의 단 한 가지 사례라도 제시하려 하자 이를 거부하거나 아예 없다는 것을 인정했다.
다음 중 하나를 요청한다.
- COI 템플릿의 명확한 지침에 따라 태그를 정당화하십시오. 디스크 페이지에서 태그를 참조하십시오.
- 멘달리브는 꼬리표를 떼고 비윤리적인 행동을 거짓으로 암시한 것에 대해 공개적으로 사과한다.
- 멘달리브에 대한 적절한 징계 조치가 취해진다.
위의 토론도 참조하십시오.사이 ¿?✍ 18:25, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- 큰 소리로 울다니, 크리스마스 이브야.지금은 이럴 시간이 없어.위키피디아는 즉각적인 만족 웹사이트가 아니다.현재 진행 중인 AfD 기사에 있는 여러 명의 AfD 담당자가 해당 기사의 편집과 관련하여 중요한 문제가 있다는 데 동의한다고만 말해두십시오.솔직히, 이 논의는 WP에서 이루어져야 한다.어쨌든 코인.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 18:33, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- 대답해야 할 때 아무도 말하지 않았다.그리고 다른 사람의 휴일에 당신 자신이 미치는 영향을 고려해 볼 수도 있을 것이다.
- 어쨌든, 그것은 매우 간단하다: 중립적이지 않다는 증거를 제시하거나, 부적절한 태그를 철회하고 사과하는 것이다.입증되지 않은 암시는 윤리적이지 않다.사이¿?✍ 18:36, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- 정말 크리스마스 이브다.그러나 당신은 12월 23일 15:55 UTC에서 이것에 대한 질문을 받았고, 거의 7시간 후인 22:42 UTC까지 적극적으로 글을 올렸음에도 불구하고 그것을 무시했다.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); 앤디와 대화; 앤디의 편집 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- WP에서 교차 링크:제안당 코인(CONEX), 여기서 논의를 진행하십시오.사이¿?✍ 18:43, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- (충돌 편집) @사이자이:내가 할 수 있는 한 점잖게 굴도록 노력하겠다: 당신은 행정관에게 어떤 조치를 취하라고 요구하는 것이다(이 게시판의 목적이다).편집자 36,000명이 넘는 편집자와 10년 이상의 재임 기간을 가진 편집자, 그리고 우리와 같은 자원 봉사자인 멘달리브에게 어떤 것이든 정당화하거나 제거하거나 사과하거나 잘못을 인정하도록 강요하는 행정관은 없을 것이다.이것은 주로 내용에 대한 견해의 차이인데, 당신은 그것을 정리하기 위해 기사 토크로 돌아가야 한다.나는 그곳의 토론은 대체로 예의 바르게 진행되어 왔으며, 모든 당사자들이 선의로 편집하고 있다는 가정하에 일을 해야 한다고 생각한다.더 발전하게 될 거야.만약 실패한다면, 다음 정거장은 WP가 되어야 한다.동전.
- 이제 진정 행동상의 문제가 있다면, 바쁜 관리자가 그것을 힐끗 보고 즉시 문제를 볼 수 있도록 디프시를 공급해야 한다.관리자도 자원봉사자인데, 다른 편집자, 특히 베테랑 편집자에 대한 제재를 진정으로 원한다면 여기서 제시했던 것보다 훨씬 더 많은 것이 필요할 것 같다. --RexxS (대화) 18:46, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
(갈등 편집) 토크 페이지 이상에서 말했듯이, 진행 중인 AfD에는 이에 대한 기사 편집과 관련하여 귀사의 COI에 대한 논의의 상당 부분이 포함되어 있다.그 문제를 둘러싼 위키리듬은, 글쎄, 정확히 당신의 대의에 도움이 되지 않는다.어쨌든 나는 크리스마스 파티에 참석해야 해.그래서 나는 너에게 좋은 아침이라고 말했다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 18:49, 2017년 12월 24일 (UTC)[
- 사이자이, COI는 객관적 사실이다.우리는 당신의 노력에 대한 기사에 대한 당신의 편집이 왜 WP:NPOV와 일치하지 않는지 당신의 만족을 위해 설명할 필요가 없다. 그리고 기사에서 당신의 이름을 확인하는 것은 COI의 사전적 정의이므로 당신은 당신의 Wikilawyering을 다른 곳에서 가져갈 수 있다.그 기사를 다시 편집하면 스팸 메일이 차단된다.가이 (도움말!) 2017년 12월 24일 20:54 (UTC)[
외람된 말씀이지만, 렉시스, 당신은 멘달리브의 편집 카운트를 지적함으로써 그의 비행을 정당화하려는 것인가?여기서 내가 볼 때 올해 그가 기여한 공로는 84%가 기사 공간 밖에서 이뤄졌고, 나머지 16%도 대부분 태그를 붙여서 리디렉션을 만들고 콘텐츠를 제거하는 문제였다.진정한 기여는 몇몇 축구선수들에 대한 두세 문장뿐이다.좋아, 그건 아무 문제 없어. 그리고 나는 이런 자칭 위키 경찰이 가끔 값진 일을 한다는 것을 가장 먼저 인정하겠지만, 나 역시 비슷한 편집 패턴을 가진 사람들이 백과사전을 쓰기 위해 오는 것이 아니라 그저 심심하거나 관심을 끌려고 여기 오는 것 때문에 오는 것이 아니라는 경험도 있다.
나는 멘달리브에게 원한을 품고 있지 않으며, 어떤 징계 조치도 필요하지 않다고 생각한다.그러나 내가 당황하는 것은 여러분 중 몇몇이 실제로 그의 행동을 옹호하고 있다는 것이다.문제는 공천 자체가 아니라 처음부터 진행돼 온 극도로 독성이 강한 방식이다.나는 내 이름이 토크 페이지에 언급되었다는 통보를 집 위키에서 받기 전까지는 그 기사를 알지도 못했다.내가 본 것은 기사나 지명 페이지에서 단 한 장도 편집하지 않았음에도 불구하고 내 주소를 향한 기괴하고 완전히 거짓된 비난이었다.멘달리브의 첫 반응은 분명히 내가 "문제의 인식에 화가 났다"고 느꼈고, 일단 내가 반박하자, 그는 전혀 대응하지 않기로 선택했고, 다른 곳에서 그의 부당한 비난을 계속했다.나는 내가 이 토론에 끌려온 방식이 즐겁지 않아!덧붙이자면 멘달리브가 나에게 잘못된 행동을 한 것은 처음이 아니다. 왜냐하면 거의 2년 전에 비슷한 공격적 행동이 일어났기 때문이다.기록에 의하면 나는 LCS의 이사회 멤버일 수도 있지만, 나는 또한 14년 경력의 위키피디아인이다(wp.nl의 관리자와 Arbcom 회원으로서 포함) 그리고 18,000개 이상의 편집사항을 가지고 있다.그건 중요하지 않지만, 사람들이 정말로 편집 카운팅을 사람들의 신뢰를 저울질하는 수단으로 사용하길 원한다면...(게다가 WP:DTTR).
내가 AfD 절차를 이해하는 방식으로는, 어떤 이유로든 받아들일 수 없는 기사(신뢰성 문제 포함)를 허용 가능한 기사화하라는 요구가 우선이다.그러나 멘달리브의 행동은 그것이 전혀 개선되는 것을 원하지 않고 단지 어떤 대가를 치르더라도 그것을 삭제하기를 원한다는 것을 분명히 한다.지명 글부터 시작하는데, 그것은 다소 낭설에 가깝고 가정과 함축성, 반 진리들로 가득하다.사람들이 다른 방법으로 시위할 때, 그들은 무시당하거나 의심을 받는다.토론이 특히 독이 되는 것은 멘달리브가 언급한 사람들 중 어느 누구도 NPOV 편집을 단 한 건도 입증하지 못했음에도 불구하고 이해충돌을 겪는 사람들이 기사를 편집해왔다는 가정에 초점을 맞추고 있다는 점이다(실제로는 LCS 소속의 누구도 실질적인 내용을 추가하지 않았다).기록상 COI가 사실이라 하더라도 COI를 가진 사용자가 논란의 여지가 없는 편집을 하는 것은 금지되지 않는다.나는 멘달리브가 불성실하게 행동했다고 비난하는 것이 아니라 단순히 무지와 고집의 결합이라고 의심한다.그가 이미 과거에 그에게 잘못 증명된 가정을 계속 반복하는 것은 유감스럽지만, 나는 그가 자신의 의견에 맞지 않는 사실들을 무시하는 것을 선택하기 때문이라고 생각한다.그러나 나는 그의 끊임없는 애드호미넴 추론이 토론의 질에 매우 나쁜 영향을 미친다고 믿는다.안녕하십니까, —IJZEren 2017년 1월 14일Uszkiełtu? 10일 (UTC)[
- 오늘 아침에 잠깐 들러서 어떻게 됐는지 보자고가스 조명/투영으로 완성된 다른 LCS 담당자가 나에 대한 인신공격에 대해 두 배로 격하하는 것을 보는 것은 전혀 놀랍지 않다.사이는 기사에 들어가지 않거나 막히라는 말을 듣고 사이 대리인이 나타난다.지난해 DRV에서 LCS가 따랐던 패턴이다.현재의 AfD가 폐업한 후 경박한 DRV를 시작할 때 LCS가 따르기를 기대하는 패턴이다.LCS와 그 임원, 감독, 그리고 LCS와 재정적으로 관련이 있는 사람들이 이 기사에 홍보 콘텐츠를 추가해서는 안 되며, 기사에 자신의 이름을 빠뜨려서는 안 된다는 것 등은 절대적으로 기본적인 위키백과 표준이다.당신은 이해충돌을 겪고 있습니다, IJZeren 1월 부통령.나에 대한 어떠한 모욕과 인신공격도 그것을 바꾸지 않을 것이다.이제, 나는 가족 크리스마스 행사로 돌아간다.- —/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 20:07, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)
- 내 개인적인 생각으로는, 넌 파괴 임무에 방아쇠처럼 들리는구나.당신은 그 기사와 관련된 것으로 생각되는 모든 사람들에 대해 공격적이고 대립적인 접근을 보여준다.내 생각에, 위키피디아:그 과정을 어물쩍 넘기지 마라.배너톡 21:22, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 나를 인신공격으로 비난하는 게 웃기는군, 멘달리브. 이 사건에서 당신 자신의 행동은 나를 포함한 LCS 소속이든 아니든 당신과 의견이 다른 사람에 대한 대규모 인신공격에 불과해.하지만, 푸딩의 증거는 먹이에 있어, 맞지?몇 분 전 역사가 병합되었으니 직접 살펴보십시오.아니면 기다려, 너의 노력을 아끼기 위해 내가 직접 너에게 링크를 주겠다.여기 내가 그 기사를 편집한 모든 것들이 있다.이것은 내가 LCS의 회원이 되기 훨씬 전인 2010년에 만들어졌다.내가 한 일은 단지 카테고리를 추가하고 포맷에서 오류를 수정하는 것 뿐이었다.두 번째 것은 2017년 1월에 만들어졌다.나는 사실 이름을 포함한 비위생적인 것으로 판명된 것들을 제거했다.그게 다야.근데 계속 ME가 이름붙인다고 비난해?
- 참고로 기사에 내 이름을 추가한 사람은 LCS와의 연계를 하지 않겠다고 선언한 내게는 전혀 알려지지 않은 인물이라고 하자.내 말을 못 믿겠다면, 무슨 수를 써서라도 체크유저 요청을 하시오!솔직히 말해서, 사람들이 자신의 결백을 증명해야 한다는 것은 말도 안 되는 일이지만, 당신은 아직도 LCS 회원의 홍보 편집에 대한 증거를 한 장도 제시하지 못하고 있다.
- 둘째로, 나는 "사이 대리모 중 한 명"이라고 불리는 것을 고맙게 여기지 않는데, 그것은 모욕적이고 또한 사실이 아니다, 왜냐하면 나는 이 모든 것을 시작한 이후로 사이와 어떠한 오프위키 연락도 추가하지 않았기 때문이다.게다가, 애초에 나를 이 토론에 끌어들인 사람이 바로 너라는 것도 편리하게 잊어버리는 것 같구나.
- 셋째, 나는 네가 아직 유치원에 다닐 때 이미 위키백과 학생이었기 때문에, 위키백과 표준과 정책에 대해서는 정말 나에게 말할 필요가 없다.나는 당신에게 나의 전체 편집 기록에서 비윤리적인 행동의 한 예를 찾으라고 권한다.만약 가능하다면, 개인적으로 적어도 1년 동안 내 자신을 차단하겠다고 약속할게.할 수 없다면 최소한 네 암시가 거짓이었다는 것을 인정할 정도의 체면이라도 갖길 바란다.
- 그리고 마침내, 너도 이제 나를 모욕죄로 고발하고 있어.이것은 심각한 문제고, 내 생각에는, 믿을 수 없을 정도로 낮은 비난이다.나는 네가 그것을 증명하거나 철회할 것을 요구한다.지금까지 나는 당신이 선의로 행동하고 있었고, 단지 당신을 인도한 사실과 가정을 분리하지 못한 것이었을 뿐이라고 추측해 왔다.그러나 당신의 행동은 당신이 어떤 진실규명에 전혀 관심이 없다는 것을 분명히 하고, 비록 그것이 의도적으로 진실을 왜곡하는 것을 의미한다고 할지라도, 당신은 필요한 어떤 방법으로든 이 전투에서 승리하기를 원할 뿐이다.—IJZEren 2017년 1월 00Uszkiełtu?:16 (UTC)[
- 내 개인적인 생각으로는, 넌 파괴 임무에 방아쇠처럼 들리는구나.당신은 그 기사와 관련된 것으로 생각되는 모든 사람들에 대해 공격적이고 대립적인 접근을 보여준다.내 생각에, 위키피디아:그 과정을 어물쩍 넘기지 마라.배너톡 21:22, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 당신은 리스트에 오른 것에 대해 화가 나있다.
{{connected contributor}}LCS 기사에.당신은 기사를 편집한 사람으로 표시되어 있지 않다.연계공헌자로 등재된 것은 편향의 고발이 아니다.이것은 명백한 사실의 진술이다.너는 LCS의 장교야.정의상, 조직의 임원과 임원은 다음과 같은 WP를 가진다.그 조직과 관련하여 PRICALCOI.WP를 따르십시오.그 기사를 직접 편집하는 것을 피함으로써 COEDIT는 존경할 만한 일이라고 생각한다.그러나 WP는 다음과 같은 사실을 상기시켜주고 싶다.COEDIT는 또한 토론을 간결하게 유지함으로써 다른 편집자들을 존중하라고 충고한다.여기서는 멀티파라그래프 시술이 필요 없다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 02:02, 2017년 12월 26일 (UTC)[- 내 답변이 길어져서 곤란하다면 미안해.단지 내가 좀 구식이고(구호나 약어로 쓰는 것에 익숙하지 않다), 그 가치에 대해서는 사실과 주장으로 나의 요점을 뒷받침함으로써 다른 편집자들에게 존경심을 표시하는 것을 선호한다.만약 당신이 때때로 당신의 주장을 입증함으로써 같은 일을 할 수 있다면 나는 당신의 입장에서 존경할 것이다.어쨌든 내가 단 한 번의 편집을 하기 전에는 나를 연결된 기고자 명단에 추가할 필요가 전혀 없었다.반드시 WP를 읽으십시오.COI#관심충돌 대처법, 특히 '아비소싱'이라는 코너가 그렇다.BTW 내가 화난 이유는 태그가 아니라 그것에 수반되는 암시 때문이다.
- 지금, 나는 위키리딩에 별로 관심이 없지만, 이해 상충 가능성이 있는 편집자들이 편집하는 것을 금지하는 규칙은 없다. 특히 편집자들은 소속에 대해 개방적이고 편집은 논란의 여지가 없다.당신은 어떤 종류의 제휴를 가진 사람이 만든 모든 편집은 정의에 의한 홍보라고 가정하는 것 같고, 더욱이 당신은 기본적으로 다른 사람들에게 그들이 제시하는 어떤 사실이나 주장을 무시하라고 공개적으로 요구함으로써 그 주제에 대해 어떤 말도 할 수 있는 권리를 부인하는 것 같다.그건 옳지 않아, 알겠지.정직하다고 사람들을 공격함으로써, 당신은 사람들에게 자신의 정체성을 숨기거나 심지어 양말공작을 하도록 장려하는 분위기를 조성한다.적어도 어떤 주제에 가까운 사람들 또한 그것에 대해 가장 잘 알고 있는 사람들이라는 것을 이해해야 한다. 그것은 단지 가치 있는 것으로 판명될지도 모르는 지식이다.내가 다른 곳에서 쓴 것을 인용하자면: "이렇게 끊임없이 편집 대신 편집자에게 초점을 맞추는 것은 이 프로젝트에 위험하고 건강에 좋지 않다.궁극적으로 좋은 편집과 나쁜 편집만이 있을 뿐이다.편집이 좋으면 누가 만들었든, 나쁘든 누가 만들었든 제거해야 한다."—IJZeren 03:06, 2017년 12월 26일 (UTC)[
- 위키피디아에 관한 내 모든 세월 동안 나는 COI에 시달리는 편집자로서 자기 동일성이 필연적으로 그런 사람의 편집이나 주장을 무시하게 된다는 것을 알지 못했다.오히려, 그 의도는 문맥화를 제공하고, 솔직히 말해서, 파괴적인 COI에 시달리는 편집자들이 관여하는 경향이 있는 장황하고 무의미한 논쟁의 연막을 뚫고 들어가려는 것이다.그 기사를 크게 편집하지 않았다는 너의 요점을 이해한 것 같아.현재 LCS 조직의 부사장이라는 것도 분명히 하셨잖아요.편집자의 외출을 하지 않고 COI의 존재를 지적하는 것에 대해 언외의 문제가 있다는 나머지 주장은 ANI에 대한 논의에는 별로 적합하지 않다.이 위원회는 위키백과 정책이나 일반적인 관행에 대한 변경을 제안하기 위한 것이 아니다.하지만 한 가지 더, 상황을 특징짓는다면...난 너 자신을 생각하지만 아마도 다른 LCS 편집자들은...이해충돌을 일으키면서 말이야이것은 틀렸다.LCS 조직의 장교로서 당신은 실제 COI를 가지고 있다.당신이 AfD와 DRV와 같은 LCS 토론에 다소 광범위하게 참여했다고 주장하지만, 당신은 아직 기사를 편집하는 데 방해가 되지 않았다.나는 너의 실제 이해충돌이 그 논의와 관련이 있다고 믿는다.만약 당신의 희망이 연결된 기고자 명단에서 자신을 제거하는 것이라면, 그것을 그냥 요구하는 것이 더 간단했을 것이다.솔직히 네가 그렇게 솔직하게 말했더라면 난 반대하지 않았을 거야.그러나 기존 위키백과 정책의 칙령에서 지켜지지 않은 원칙에 대해 논쟁을 벌이게 되면, 무엇을 원하는지 말하기가 정말 어렵다.그리고 당신이 그랬던 것처럼 토론에 그렇게 실질적으로 기여했을 때, 나는 당신이 연결된 기여자로 확인되는 것이 아마도 좋은 생각이라고 생각한다.그러나 나는 여기나 WP에서 다른 사람들의 의견을 들을 수 있다.코인, 위키백과 정책에 따라 식별이 권장되는지 여부에 대해.나는 이 싸움에 개가 없어서 별 차이가 없다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 03:30, 2017년 12월 26일 (UTC)[
- 당신은 리스트에 오른 것에 대해 화가 나있다.
멘달리브
내게는 멘달리브가 협회와 그 회원들을 상대로 전쟁을 벌이고 있는 것처럼 보인다.그리고 그가 행동하는 방식은 백과사전과 지역사회를 해치고 있다.그의 개인적인 행동도 재검토되어야 한다.배너톡 11시 42분, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 나는 이 하위 섹션이 시작되었다는 통지를 받지 못했다.고맙게도 어떤 논의가 시작되기도 전에 나는 그것을 알아차렸다.나는 배너가 내 입장에서 비위(또는 그 어떤 행동도)의 차원을 제공하는데 소홀했다는 점에 주목한다.그럼에도 불구하고, 나는 내 행동에 대한 어떤 논평이나 비판을 여기에 초대한다.나는 또한 위의 배너의 주장과 달리, 기사에서 LCS의 스팸/홍보 활동에 대한 중요한 조치가 있었다는 것을 언급할 것이다.나는 이 문제에 있어 LCS의 행위에 대한 다수의 의견 일치에 비추어 볼 때 나의 행위가 개인적인 원한, 과격행위, 전쟁, 다른 비협조적/지원 불가능한 BLP/NPA 위반 서술자를 나타낸다고 믿기 어렵다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 15:25, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 공식적으로, 나는 멘달리브가 정말로 어떤 경계도 뛰어넘었거나 사회자 조치가 필요할 것이라고 생각하지 않는다.나는 또한 가장 모욕적인 글들 중 일부는 실제로 다른 사람들에 의해 쓰여졌다는 것을 주목한다.내가 위에서 썼듯이, 그의 어조는 내 취향에 좀 너무 따끔따끔하다. 그리고 예를 들어 위의 문장들과 같은 문장들("파괴적인 COI-유해 편집자들이 관여하는 경향이 있는 장황하고 무의미한 논쟁")은 인신공격이라기보다는 일반론일 수도 있지만, 약간 무감각한 언더톤은 분명해야 한다.e는 정보를 모르는 다른 사람들 사이에 잘못된 암시를 쉽게 불러일으킬 수 있다.제발 멘달리브, 사람들을 감싸는 대신 좀 더 열린 마음을 가지도록 하고 논쟁에 귀를 기울이도록 하라.
- 비판을 요구하니까 사실은 상당히 간단하다.우선, 나는 당신의 지명 텍스트에 있는 사이비 논쟁과 암시의 이면에는 WP의 강력한 저류가 있다는 것을 잘 알고 있다.아이돈트라이크릿.'파괴 미션'이 강력한 표현 방법일 수도 있지만, 기사가 개선되는 것을 보는 데는 분명히 관심이 없다.여러분은 사람들의 신뢰를 떨어뜨리고, 약한 주장을 사용하고, 여러분이 틀렸다는 것을 증명하는 주장을 조직적으로 무시하는, 계속해서 논쟁하며, 여러분의 주장을 주장하려고 노력한다.그건 별로 건설적이지 않아.때때로 좋은 스포츠가 되어 "좋아, 내가 틀렸어"라고 말하는 것은 더 많은 성과를 낸다.잘 들어, 나는 사실 몇 가지 점에서 너와 동의해.나는 유전적인 공신력을 믿지 않는다. 나는 당신처럼 광고와 이름붙이는 것을 반대한다. 그리고 나는 40개의 나쁜 것들보다 훨씬 더 좋은 3개의 추천서를 가지고 있다.
- 그래서, 세 가지 질문을 하고 싶다.
- 내가 제공한 세 편의 학술 간행물을 보시고, 아직도 믿을 만한 독립 출처에는 유의미한 취재가 없다고 생각되는지를 말해주십시오.
- 도널드 트럼프도 같은 방법으로 LCS보다 GHIT를 적게 생산하기 때문에 후보 지명에 사용하는 GHITs 논쟁은 엉터리라는 것을 아십니까?
- 당신의 생각으로는 그 글(마음, 반드시 현재의 형태는 아닌 것)을 기사에 유리하게 하기 위해 또 무엇이 필요할까?
- 건배, —IJ제렌 1월 03:23, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 아니, 콘텐츠가 반복적으로 비고지적인 것에 대한 COI 홍보주의로 삭제될 때, 우리는 콘텐츠에 대한 기사를 다시 만드는 깨끗한 접근법을 기대한다. 중립적이고, 연결되지 않은 편집자에 의해, 백과사전적인 어조와 접근법에 의해, 그리고 다수의 독립적이고 신뢰할 수 있는 출처에서 비고지적 커버리지로 잘 구축되어야 한다.메인 스페이스에 도착하기 전에 말이야이 표준을 충족하지 못할 때 CoI PoV가 더 많은 CoI PoV로 물질을 복원하려는 시도를 다루는 것은 표준 운영 절차로, 그렇게 하는 것은 주제에 대한 개인적인 적대감을 나타내지 않는다.예를 들어 풀플레이어 바이오스를 많이 편집하고 여성플레이어에 대한 취재를 더 많이 하고 싶지만 WPBA에서 137번 선수에 대한 기사를 계속 만들고 편집자가 그녀의 이모나 남편인 것처럼 보인다면 홍보 COI가 실제로 못마땅한 사람에 대해 쩔쩔매면서 그 기사를 삭제하도록 계속 노력할 것이다.내 친구(아직은 발생하지 않았지만, 개인적으로 아직 눈에 띄지 않는 프로들을 몇 명 알고 있다.)MakeExceptions가 아닌 경우ToTheRulesForSubjects위라이크-페디아.지역사회 정책이 일관성 있게 적용되도록 노력한 ANI의 누군가를 처벌하는 원칙은 없다.멘달리브는 문제가 아니다. — SMc캔들리쉬 lish > ʌ>҅ᴥⱷʌ< 22:05, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 나는 AfD 페이지에 있는 이 포괄적인 회신에 대해 멘달리브에게 감사하다는 것을 여기에 적어두겠다.나는 행정관도 아니고 이 실타래를 시작한 것도 아니지만, AfD가 완성되었다는 사실을 감안할 때 이 모든 사건은 이제 종결될 수 있다고 믿는다.—IJZEren 2017년 12월 29일(UTC) 22Uszkiełtu?:00
COI
그룹 창립자인 사이자이(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 · 블록 로그)가 기사를 편집하고 있다.나는 COI에 대해 경고했다.가이 (도움말!) 2017년 12월 27일 20:18 (UTC)[
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페이지 기록입니다, 비관리자 유형에 대해...
- 2017년 12월 29일 19:11, 2017년 12월 29일 J04n (토크 기여) 페이지 언어 창조 협회(Wikipedia:삭제/언어창작회 기사(2차 지명) (XFDCloser)
- 23:03, 2017년 12월 25일 앤서니 애플리아드(토크 기여) 복원 페이지 언어 창조 협회(93개 개정) (역사)
- 23:02, 2017년 12월 25일 Anthony Appleyard (토크 기여) 페이지 Language Creation Society (G6: Deleted to make a move) 삭제
- 2017년 12월 22일 21:50, 12월 22일 울타리와 창문(토크 기여)은 Language Creation Society 페이지를 User로 이동시켰다.리디렉션을 남기지 않고 애드리치/샌드박스(샌드박스로 다시 이동)(반전)
- 21:48, 2017년 12월 22일 울타리 및 창구(토크 기여) 복원 페이지 언어 창조 협회(24개 개정) (샌드박스로 다시 이동하기 위해 복원)
- 10:38, 2017년 12월 22일 T셔츠58 (토크 기여) 페이지 언어창작회(G4: 삭제 토론(CSDH)에 따라 삭제된 페이지 재생성)을 삭제했다.
- 19:43, 2016년 6월 1일 Salvidrim! (토크 기여) 페이지 Language Creation Society (G6: 어음 띄우기를 할 때 실수로 redir을 남겨두었다.)
- 19:42, 2016년 6월 1일 Salvidrim! (토크 기여) Language Creation Society 페이지를 드래프트로 이동:언어 생성 협회(DRV: 삭제 취소 및 드래프트 스페이스로 이동하여 다시 메인 스페이스로 이동하기 전에 AfC 검토 필요)(반전)
- 19:42, 2016년 6월 1일, Salvidrim! (토크 기여) 복원된 페이지 Language Creation Society (97 개정판: DRV 종료: 삭제 취소 및 드래프트 스페이스로 이동하여 다시 메인스페이스에 앞서 AfC 검토 필요)
- 00:52, 2016년 3월 4일 RoySmith(대화 기여) 언어 창조 협회(Wikipedia:삭제/언어창작회 기사 삭제 마감)
- 이 페이지는 확장된 확인된 사용자만 만들 수 있도록 보호되었다.최신 보호 로그 항목은 아래 참조용으로 제공된다.
- 2017년 12월 29일 19:14, 2017년 12월 29일 J04n (토크 기여) 보호 언어 창조 협회[Create=확정된 확장 액세스 필요] (Infinite) (Webedia별로 반복 재생성:삭제/언어창작회 기사(2차 지명) (역사)
-- Jytdog (대화) 05:49, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
사용자:MWS
| 계속 듣기를 거부하다가 TPA 반동으로 끝나게 된다. - 부시레인저 08:23, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
이 사용자의 업무 중단이 심해지고 있음:
- [27] 19:35 12월 24일 숫자를 참조가 지원하지 않는 것으로 변경한다.아마도 그들은 란셋에 발표된 리뷰에 동의하지 않는 사적인 자료를 가지고 있을 것이다.
- [28] 12월 24일 23:58 (주공간에 서명 추가)
- [29] 14:51 12월 25일(단순 중단 및 다시 서명)
- [30] 12월 15일 19:31 (계속)
그들은 이전에 IP로 편집 중이었고 페이지가 보호되면 계정으로 이동했다.[31] 나는 두 가지 문제에 대해 토크를 시작했었다.[32] 그들은 대화 페이지에서 경고를 삭제했다.[33]
Doc James (대화 · 기여 · 이메일) 00:15, 2017년 12월 26일 (UTC)[
- 메인 스페이스에서 서명 편집이 금지되어 있어 사용자 대화에 참여하지 않는지 확인해 보십시오. 그렇지 않으면 이번 주 후반에 다시 올 수 있을 겁니다.가이(도움말!) 00:51, 2017년 12월 26일 (UTC)[
- [35] TPA를 제거하시겠습니까?BytEfLUShTalk 01:22, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 지금도 하고 있으니까 네, 끝났어. --닐N 01:59, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
빅 보스 11
| 폐업, 이번 SPI에서는 복수의 계정을 남용하여 컨텐츠 분쟁을 선점했다는 이유로 OP가 차단되었기 때문이다. –Ammarpad (대화) 06:09, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
User_talk를 중지하십시오.스크래피론IV는 BB11이 리얼리티 쇼 '빅 브라더(Big Brother)'의 일부인 만큼 그 페이지가 일어나서는 안 되는 것들을 삭제하려고 할 때 BB11에 대해 비정기적으로 편집한 것에 대해, 그는 쇼는 끝났고, 몇 개의 쇼는 끝났지만, 그들의 주간 및 투표 요약은 여전히 그들의 페이지에 존재한다고 말했다.아피론은 Bigg Boss 11페이지에서 헛소리를 하고 있다. 빅 브라더나 다른 리얼리티 쇼 관련 페이지가 몇 개 있는데, 이 페이지에는 Bigg Boss와 Big Brother 11페이지에서 하는 것처럼 편집하는 것을 멈추도록 그에게도 경고해달라.진보를 거듭하다마지막으로 위키피디아는 ScrapIron이 Bigg Boss 11 THank You에서 그랬던 것처럼 정확한 기사를 작성함으로써 스포츠, 엔터테인먼트 목적으로 사용될 수 있다.CK (토크) 16:13, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 간단명료 - ScrapIron의 컨텐츠에 대한 우려가 있는 경우IV는 삭제 중인데, 기사의 토크 페이지에서 그와 고민하는 내용을 논의하시는 겁니까?나는 여기서 당신이 블록을 위협하고 "
미안하지만 우리는 당신의 편집에 만족
하지 않는다.당신이 위키피디아를 스스로 인증
하지 못하게만들고 있기 때문에 당신은 일시적으로 단기간 편집이 차단되거나 길어질
수 있다.
재미없다고 하는 대로 편집한 걸 그대로 놔둬라.
그래
,네가 반달리즘
을 초래할 수있는 빈민가를 편집해서 헛소리를 했다는 것은 재미있고 유익하다."
- 나는 그 내용에 대한 당신의 우려를 직접적으로 다루고 설명하는 건설적인 토론에 대해 말하고 있다.편집 전쟁이 벌어지고 있는 것도 아니고, 위키피디아의 분쟁 해결 관행에 부합하는 당신측의 실질적인 논의도 이루어지지 않고 있다.이 정책을 검토하고 이렇게 할 것을 강력히 추천한다...
- 그리고 "우리"가 정확히 누구야?~오슈와~(talk) (contribs) 2017년 12월 28일 16:35 (UTC)[
존 카터는 그의 IBAN을 또 위반했다.
| John Carter는 BU Rob13에 의해 1주일간 봉쇄되었다.쿠드풍 กุผผ ( ((대화) 12:07, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
1월에 존 카터(대화 · 기여)와 나는 상호 IBAN[36]의 밑에 놓이게 되었는데, 거의 즉시 그것을 위반한 후, WP에서 다루지 않는 방식으로 중재 페이지에 나에 관한 글을 올려 한 달 동안 차단되었다.그 후 BANEX[37]는 차단 관리 샌드스타인에게 보내는 이메일(대화 · 기여)에서 그가 주장했을 때 즉시 차단되지 않았다.[38] (이것은 원래 IBAN으로 이어진 괴롭힘의 일부로서 IBAN의 성격과 BANEX가 제공한 좁은 예외에 대해 강의하고 있었기 때문에 노골적인 거짓말이었다.[39] 그가 차단되었을 그 다음 달, 그는 내 편집 내용을 계속 감시하고 있다는 것을 몇 가지 작은 암시를 하였고, 일부러 그런 것 같았다.금지의 테두리를 두고, [40][41][42] 그리고 3월에 내가 토크 페이지에 했던 코멘트에 답함으로써 금지를 위반했다.[43] 이달 초, 그는 내가 직접 참여한 ANI 토론에서 논평함으로써 또 다른 "연주" 편집을 했다.[44]
오늘, 그는 기본적으로 1월에 한 달 동안의 블록을 만들었던 것과 같은 일을 했다. 내가 올린 ARCA 요청서에 나와 관련된 일을 게재했다. 그가 관여하지 않은 것이다.[45] 그는 나의 "경쟁력"에 의문을 제기하며 다른 사용자가 "내 것"을 편집하는 것을 원하지 않는다는 가정하에 다른 사용자가 자신의 경쟁 초안을 시작한 것에 대해 실망감을 표명할 정도로 내가 다른 사용자들에게 분명히 편집을 권장한 초안을 "소유"하고 있다고 완전히 잘못된 주장을 했다.[46] 사용자 ping:JC가 그의 최근 위반으로 비난한 BU Rob13은 IBAN으로 이어진 JC를 금지/차단하기 위한 초기 논의에도 크게 관여했다.나는 BU Rob13의 이익을 위해 ARCA의 요청에서 JC가 나에 대해 무엇인지를 다루고 싶지만, 그렇게 하는 것은 아이러니컬하게도 금지령을 위반하게 되고, 2015년 원래의 사건과 관련된 문제(그 때는 제기되지 않았음에도 불구하고)를 "완화"하는 것도 수반하게 되는데, 이것은 내가 하고 싶지 않은 일이다.
존은 2월 16일과 3월 8일 사이[47] 그리고 3월 8일과 11월 14일 사이에 다시 활동을 하지 않았기 때문에 이것은 서로 11개월 간격으로 두어 건의 실수로 미끄러지는 경우가 아니다; 심지어 그는 심지어 ANI 실의 가입이나 내가 이미 가입한 것과 같은 것을 무시한 채 한 달에 한 번 그 금지를 위반해 왔다.edd.
위와 같은 배경에서 적어도 한 달은 그를 차단할 수 있는 사람이 있을까?
히지리 88 (聖や) 23:32, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 아니면 Hijiri88이 수정하려고 애쓰는 Arb 사건과 관련하여 그가 불평하고 있는 것에 대한 나의 의견을 고려해 볼 때, 아마도 ANI를 괴롭히는 불만을 제기하는 것에 근거하여 BU메랑일 것이다.존 카터 (대화) 23:38, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 중재자[49][50]와 ARCA 사무원[51]은 위와 같은 경우에 적용되는 규칙을 기술적으로 잘못 해석한 것이라는 의견을 표명했으며, 사용자는 다음과 같다.샌드스타인은 IBAN이 ArbCom 구제책이나 재량권 제재라는 잘못된 믿음에 근거한 것이며, 심지어 이 실의 제목에도 불구하고 '주제 금지 위반'이라는 잘못된 믿음을 바탕으로 한 것이라고 암시했다.
- Ping User:샌드스타인의 대화 페이지에 있는 블랙 카이트가 커뮤니티 제재에 대한 AE 요청을 여는 것은 부적절할 것이라는 취지로, 그리고 이 해명은 존이 지난 1월에 같은 변명을 했을 때 이미 제안되었지만, 나는 그것을 여기에 두는 것이 최선이라고 생각했다.
- 결함 있는 닫기를 취소하거나 요청된 시행을 취소할 수 있는가?
- 히지리 88 (聖聖) 01:47, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- ARCA에서 존 카터의 진술이 삭제됨에 따라 이전 마감에서 절차적으로 스레드를 다시 여는 것. 참고로, 현재 사용자 대화에서 제재에 대한 논의가 진행 중이다.샌드슈타인#히지리88 / 존 카터알렉스 시 (토크) 03:23, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- @Alex Shihi : 진행중인 것은 아니다.사용자: Sandstein is WP:INTED(초기 ping은 개입 요청이 아닌 예의였다) 및 사용자:블랙 카이트가 이미 폐쇄에 대한 초기 질문을 철회했으니까(그것은 두 명의 Arb와 한 명의 점원이 그들의 초기 질문에 동의하기 전이었음에도 불구하고...) 나는 그들 중 어느 누구도 어떤 것도 할 수 있을 것이라고 기대하지 않는다.다른 사람들은 기본적으로 이 ANI 실을 다시 열어야 한다고 말하고 있었는데, 그것의 장점에 대한 언급 없이, 아무도 몇 시간 동안 아무 말도 하지 않았고, 마지막은 처음 닫은 지 약 30분 후였습니다.그러나 제안된 작업을 수행하고 사용자:그들의 의견에 찬성하는 Beeblebrox; 나는 관리자들조차 이해하지 못하는 것 같은 이러한 행정상의 장애물들을 헤쳐나가는 것에 약간 지쳤다. 그러니 다른 누군가가 그 매듭을 당장 끊고 싶어한다면 감사할 것이다.히지리 88 (聖聖) 03:42, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
맙소사, 그런데 이게 어떻게 존 카터가 히지리를 괴롭혔다는 흑백 증거가 아니란 말인가?이걸 몇 번이나 겪어야 하는 거야?컬리 "JFC" 터키 🍁 "고블! 05:28, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
또 다른 행정관이 개입해 일주일째 막고 있다.공식적으로 나는 그것이 꽤 명백한 위반이고 면제되지 않았다는 것에 동의한다. 그리고 아마도 내가 더 가혹한 차단을 내렸을 것이다.비블브록스 (대화) 06:07, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- BU Rob13, Beeblebrox: 좋아, 그는 막혔지만 JC가 히지리를 괴롭히고 히지리 바로 아래의 ANI 스레드에 언급하는 등 IBAN을 회피하기 위해 그가 할 수 있는 모든 에지 시나리오를 찾고 있다는 것은 이 시점에서 명백하다.그는 분명히 이걸로 멈추지 않을 거야. 그는 끈질기게 불신행위를 하고 있어.그것을 처리하기 위해서는 무언가 더 조치가 필요하다.컬리 "JFC" 터키"고블! 06:57, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 공식적으로, 나는 ARCA[52]에서의 노골적인 위반에 더해 BU 롭이 일주일 동안 그를 막은 것에 더하여 존 카터 또한 표면적으로는 (가장 엄격한 의미에서) 엄밀히 따지지 않으면서 IBAN을 반복적으로 몰래 공격해 왔다는 컬리 터키의 의견에 동의한다.이런 종류의 행동은 전혀 용납될 수 없으며 위키백과 과정 전체에 오싹한 영향을 미친다.지역사회는 이미 지난 몇 년간 이 문제에 너무 많은 시간을 투자했다.나는 그러한 행동이 용인되지 않을 것이며 더 이상의 사례가 2개월의 블록이나 방어막으로 귀결될 것이라는 공식적인 최종 경고를 권고한다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 08:27, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC); 편집 08:51, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
사용자:동부하이텍
| 스팸이 되돌아가고 사용자가 외설됨(스팸 사용자 차단).쿠드풍 กุผึ ((대화) 11:55, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
User_talk와 마찬가지로:Burger King Corporation, 사용자:EvanHiTek는 동일한 목적으로 만들어졌다. 사용자:Burger King Corporation이 설립되었고, 오직 한 가지 편집만 했다. [53] [54] 그리고 그 회사를 목록에 추가하기 위해서였다.활동성은 떨어지지만 언제든 자기 홍보 목적으로 쉽게 사용할 수 있다.판초507 (대화) 00:51, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 2015년 4월 이후로 이 계정이 편집되지 않았으니 UAA에서 거절당했을 겁니다. 그래서 여기서 보고하는 것만이 유일한 방법인 것 같군.비활성화된 사용자 이름에서 일반적인 연습이 무엇인지 모르지만 분명히 부적절한 사용자 이름은 낮은 우선순위로 보인다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 01:00, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 행동할 수 없다.2년간 편집 없음; 계정이 비활성화되어 보증되지 않음.~오슈와~(talk) (contribs) 2017년 12월 29일 01:21 (UTC)[
스페인 포트 고등학교
| BS를 위반하는 골치 아픈 BLP가 돌아섰고, 기사를 더 주시했다.다른 건 필요 없어.모두에게 감사하다.(대화) 06:27, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC) ( 폐쇄)[응답 |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
우리는 '논쟁' 부분을 놓고 편집전을 벌이는 것 같다.그러나 이러한 행동을 다루는 것 외에도, 눈에 띄지 않는 사람들과 관련된 범죄와 사망자의 목록을 포함시키고 언론 매체를 통한 보도를 받는 것이 급선무에 대한 합의에 도달하는 것이 도움이 될 것이다.개인적인 의제가 없는 한 왜 그런 항목들을 보관하기 위해 새로운 계정이 뜨는지 모르겠다.생각, 관심 그리고 어쩌면 페이지 보호가 감사할 것이다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 02:01, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 그것은 터무니없는 WP이다.FRURED, 감시하고 해당 SPA가 계속 망치질을 하면 처리할 것이다. - 부시 레인저One ping only 02:52, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
FYI - 스페인 포트 고등학교에서 BLP 위반을 일부 삭제했다.처음 해보는 일이니 노련한 행정관이 제대로 생각했는지 알려주면 고맙겠다.감사합니다.컬런328 2017년 12월 29일 23시 5분 (UTC) 토론하자[하라
- @Cullen328: BLP 폭력 콘텐츠가 여전히 라이브일 때 이 개정판을 놓치셨군요.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 23:10, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- (갈등 편집) BLP 위반이 포함된 모든 버전의 기사를 리빌더링해야 하며, 처음 소개된 버전뿐만 아니라 2017년talk to me 12월 29일 (UTC)[
비반복 편집에 대한 IP 편집기 되돌리기 필요
| 31시간 차단.누군가 갑자기 스마트폰으로 편집된 캔을 발견한 것 같아.쿠드풍 กุผึ ((대화) 11:37, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
2001:8003:4F07:C800:248F:4F6C:D1BE:DA8F(토크 · 기여)는 스타일에 반하지만 반달리즘에는 미치지 못하는 중간 이름이나 존댓말을 추가하는 등 반전이 필요한 인포박스에 지속적으로 변화를 주고 있다.사용자 토크 페이지에 승인되지 않은 수많은 메시지를 남겼다.다른 유사한 편집사항의 차단 및 되돌리기 요청.사용자에게 곧 통지함. --Jprg1966 04:42, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 음, 관련 정책이 무엇이든 간에, 이 IP는 확실히 전쟁을 편집하고 있고, Jprg1966은 확실히 IP와 대화를 시도했다.여기에 개입이 필요할 것 같다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 04:57, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
"늑대 전사2"를 둘러싼 인신공격 및 위협적 행동
| 반회전 및 IP 차단. - 부시 레인저 08:21, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
수개월 동안 일부 사용자들과 IP들은 안정적으로 소싱된 영화 Wolf Warrior 2에 대한 부정적인 리뷰에 대해 언급하지 않고 있다.이러한 사용자/IP 중 일부는 동일인이라는 이유로 지난 달에 차단되었다(Wipedia:Sockpuppet 조사/Whaters).다양한 사용자 이름/IP는 WP의 정책과는 달리 중국 정부의 세계관과 다른 신뢰성 있게 소싱된 위키백과 내용을 많이 검열하기 위해 사용되었다.아니다.
이제 새로운 IP 시리즈가 Wolf Warriers 2에서 동일한 콘텐츠를 블랭킹하는 것으로 나타났으며, 이러한 IP의 배후에 있는 사람은 위키백과에서 점점 더 정책을 위반하고 있다.공손함.
- 이름표기: 즉, 여기
- 무례함: 즉, 여기, 여기
- 우리가 직접 만나야 한다는 위협적인 제안들: 여기와 여기; 그 중 후반에는 내가 나타나서 "진짜 남자"가 되어야 하는 내 도시의 특정한 시간과 장소가 포함되어 있다.
나는 정중하게 사용자에게 경고하고 예의 바른 정책(즉, 여기서)과 연계해 왔으나, 그 이후 (내일 코즈웨이 만에서 더 최근에 만나기로 한 초대와 함께) 행동은 더욱 고조되었다.내 사용자 페이지도 며칠 전에 가짜 사용자 상자로 파괴되었는데, 나는 그것이 관련이 있다고 의심한다.
나는 그 영화를 본 적도 없고 애초에 부정적인 리뷰를 덧붙이지 않았어.필자는 (여기, 여기, 여기, 여기) 이 영화에 대한 부정적인 평을 언급하는 것이 "반중국적"이라고 느끼면 그 페이지에 더 많은 중국인들의 관점을 추가하는 것이 더 건설적인 접근방법이 될 것이라고 거듭 제안했지만, 여전히 내용은 지나치게 빈칸으로 되어 있다.시토분 (대화) 06:15, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 반보호를 제안하라; 삭싱(또는 적어도 IP 깡충깡충)이 관련되어 있고, 단지 상호작용을 거부하는 것으로 인해 행동이 공백인 것처럼 보인다면, 나는 반보호가 여기서 좋은 생각이 될 것이라고 생각한다.한 IP가 이 편집 분쟁에 대해 싸우기 위해 만나자고 제안한 것은 소름끼치는 것과 어리석은 것 사이에 있는 것이지만, 어떤 경우에도 용납되어서는 안 된다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 06:22, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 반월.IP에서 더 이상 소름끼치는 일이 없도록 차단하겠지만, 다른 관리자가 지금 이 행위를 하고 싶다면 내 손님이 되어주십시오. --NeilN 06:28, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
내 블록 62.253.196.108
| 블록은 괜찮다는 데 동의, 추가 조치가 필요 없음 --Maleroster (대화) 13:38, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)(비관리자 폐쇄)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
나는 방금 사용자:62.253.196.108을 일주일 동안 차단했고 나는 잠재적으로 관련되어 있다.그들은 막 이틀 동안 편집 작업을 중단한 상태였다.나는 그 블록에 앞서 그들과 교류했다.나는 BLP가 편집 내용을 위반할 가능성이 있는 것으로 두 개의 다른 기사에 대한 단일 편집을 되돌리고, 인신공격에 대해 경고하고 WP에 보고했다.NEWITE for Edit Warring.블록에서 돌아온 이후 그들은 네 가지 편집을 했다.내가 한 번 편집한 기사에 대한 편집 충돌에 대해 경고해줘.편집 충돌에 대해 다른 편집자에게 경고하십시오.블록 앞에서 그들이 편집하고 있던 기사를 되돌리시오.법적 위협이자 인신공격인 편집 요약을 사용하여 해당 대화 페이지에서 편집 내용을 삭제하십시오.블록 검토를 위해 여기에 제출됨.~ GB팬 11시 43분, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 아주 좋은 블록이야.그런 사람은 쓸모가 없어. --Jayron32 11:45, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 블록은 괜찮아, 응.보잉! 제베디(토크) 11시 51분 (UTC) 2017년 12월 29일 (화)[
보관함 고장났어?
| 내가 보기에는 정해진 것 같아. --SerkOfVulcan (대화) 21:06, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[하라 |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
이 페이지와 모듈 페이지를 정리했음에도 불구하고 거기서 어떤 내용도 보이지 않는다. --SerkOfVulcan (대화) 20:21, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 나도 그래.꽤 궁금하군 - 부시랜저One ping only 20:26 (UTC) 2017년 12월 29일 (
- 닐NEL 만세!내가 기억하는 것보다 다소 짧다면, 지금 고쳐진 것 같다. (내가 정신을 잃었나?)이제 끝낼 수 있을까?소프트라벤더 (대화) 21:05, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- @Softlavender: 처음
핑을 하는 사이에 기다린 10분 동안 답장이 없어서 미안하다.</기호> - @다른 모든 사람들: 방해해서 미안(진짜) 모듈 행동의 사례를 간과했다.후속 조치는 모듈의 샌드박스와 대화 페이지를 참조하십시오.아노미에 04:40, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
터키의 장애물 편집
사용자:Khirug 및 사용자:EtienneDolet 태그팀 터키에서 최근 폐쇄된 RfC와의 전쟁 편집.
차이:
사용자 대화에 대한 토론 시도
기사 토크에 대한 두 번째 RfC의 의견:토크:터키#세컨설리즘,_유니컬리즘,_의원_공화당...
추가는 사용자:여기 아이스위즈(Icewiz)에 편집 요약 "Per RfC" [58] 세라핌 시스템 22:30, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 나는 그 기사를 3일 동안 완전히 보호하여 토크 페이지에서 토론할 수 있게 했다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC) 22:43 [
- 나는 그 건에 대해 새로 마감된 2차 RfC에 맞추어 편집을 했다.나는 Khirurg와 EtienneDolet이 최근 기사에 대한 편집과 원래의 RfC 때문에 혼란스러웠을 것이라고 생각한다.아이스위즈 (대화) 22:44, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- @Icewiz:그 문구를 복원하기 위해 당신이 선의였다는 것에 의심의 여지가 없지만, 제2 RFC를 개방하는 절차적 측면 전체가 해결한 것보다 더 많은 문제를 야기했다고 생각한다.첫 번째 RFC에는 11명의 사용자가 참여했는데, 이 중 10명은 단 1명의 사용자와는 반대로 모든 문구(민주주의, 의회 공화국, 세속 등)를 삭제하는 것을 지지했다.그것은 토론의 한쪽으로의 놀라운 의견의 흔들림이다.그리고 우연히 다른 열 개에 반대하는 한 명의 사용자는 세라핌 시스템이었는데, 세라핌 시스템은 첫 번째 RFC를 계속 약화시키고, 반대파가 막 죽을 때까지 다른 RFC의 개방을 계속 주장하였다.더욱 문제가 되는 것은 세라핌 시스템이 WP로 넘어갔다는 점이다.ANI는 사용자들 중 누구에게도 ping을 귀찮게 하지 않고 첫 번째 RFC를 무효로 하고 하루 후에 다른 RFC를 다시 열도록 한다(ping은 Icewhiz가 했다).다른 사용자들은 아마도 2차 RFC의 시간에 질렸거나 단지 익살스러운 것으로 생각했을 것이다. 왜냐하면 2차 RFC를 추진하는 유일한 사용자가 RFC를 밀고 있는 것이 아니라 오직 그 한 명의 유일한 사용자들만의 POV라는 것이 분명했기 때문이다.에티엔 도렛 (대화) 22:58, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 나중에 판단하건대, rfc2가 열렸을 때 핑 메커니즘이 고장 났고 Godric은 ANI 토론이 진행되는 동안 열린 채로 있다가 나중에 다시 열렸으며, 이것은 레그봇 리스트에서 이것을 밀어내는 불행한 효과를 가져왔다.제2차 RfC에 참여한 것은 대단한 것과는 거리가 멀었다(일부 포져들에서는 세라핌 시스템의 코멘트가 곁들여져 있었다).아이스위즈 (토크) 23:10, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 그러고 보니 핑잉은 그 무렵에 고장이 났다.나는 그것에 대해 잊었었어요.하지만 그럼에도 불구하고, 적어도 당신은 참가자들에게 ping을 하도록 선의의 노력을 했다.그리고 ANI 토론은 토론이라기 보다는 가식적인 것에 가깝다(Wikipedia:관리자_noticeboard/IncidentArchive966#RfC_Closure_Review_Request).세라핌시스템이 말하는 것과 달리, 지금까지 본 적이 없는 필리버스터 전술로 RFC가 도달한 컨센서스에 도전하는 유일한 사용자(그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그/그Godric의 날개, Jytdog, Ealdgyth와 같은 베테랑 사용자들의 댓글을 보십시오.세라핌의 티레이드를 지지하는 사용자는 단 한 명도 없다.이번 ANI 논의는 세라핌이 두 번째 RFC를 열기 전에 POV를 밀고 상대를 지치게 하려는 시도였다.매우 적은 참가자가 두 번째 RFC 또는 사용자가 쇼핑한 여러 포럼에서 사용자와 대화할 에너지나 시간을 가지고 있었기 때문에 효과가 있었던 것으로 보이는 WP:GAMING 전략은 (그에게 알리려고도 하지 않았다는 것은 말할 것도 없다.에티엔 도렛 (대화) 23:30, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 나중에 판단하건대, rfc2가 열렸을 때 핑 메커니즘이 고장 났고 Godric은 ANI 토론이 진행되는 동안 열린 채로 있다가 나중에 다시 열렸으며, 이것은 레그봇 리스트에서 이것을 밀어내는 불행한 효과를 가져왔다.제2차 RfC에 참여한 것은 대단한 것과는 거리가 멀었다(일부 포져들에서는 세라핌 시스템의 코멘트가 곁들여져 있었다).아이스위즈 (토크) 23:10, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- @Icewiz:그 문구를 복원하기 위해 당신이 선의였다는 것에 의심의 여지가 없지만, 제2 RFC를 개방하는 절차적 측면 전체가 해결한 것보다 더 많은 문제를 야기했다고 생각한다.첫 번째 RFC에는 11명의 사용자가 참여했는데, 이 중 10명은 단 1명의 사용자와는 반대로 모든 문구(민주주의, 의회 공화국, 세속 등)를 삭제하는 것을 지지했다.그것은 토론의 한쪽으로의 놀라운 의견의 흔들림이다.그리고 우연히 다른 열 개에 반대하는 한 명의 사용자는 세라핌 시스템이었는데, 세라핌 시스템은 첫 번째 RFC를 계속 약화시키고, 반대파가 막 죽을 때까지 다른 RFC의 개방을 계속 주장하였다.더욱 문제가 되는 것은 세라핌 시스템이 WP로 넘어갔다는 점이다.ANI는 사용자들 중 누구에게도 ping을 귀찮게 하지 않고 첫 번째 RFC를 무효로 하고 하루 후에 다른 RFC를 다시 열도록 한다(ping은 Icewhiz가 했다).다른 사용자들은 아마도 2차 RFC의 시간에 질렸거나 단지 익살스러운 것으로 생각했을 것이다. 왜냐하면 2차 RFC를 추진하는 유일한 사용자가 RFC를 밀고 있는 것이 아니라 오직 그 한 명의 유일한 사용자들만의 POV라는 것이 분명했기 때문이다.에티엔 도렛 (대화) 22:58, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 나는 그 건에 대해 새로 마감된 2차 RfC에 맞추어 편집을 했다.나는 Khirurg와 EtienneDolet이 최근 기사에 대한 편집과 원래의 RfC 때문에 혼란스러웠을 것이라고 생각한다.아이스위즈 (대화) 22:44, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- WP의 문제점:첫 번째 RfC의 OR 및 비소싱 논평은 여러 편집자에 의해 언급되었는데, 그것은 한 편집자만이 아니었다.Godric은 제거에 대한 약한 합의만 찾아냈다.내 생각에 편집자들은 WP가 없기 때문에 제2 RfC에 응답하지 않았을 가능성이 가장 높다.그들의 입장을 지지하는 RS.WP 없이 불분명한 주장을 하는 것이 훨씬 쉽다.그렇다면 RS는 적절한 소스의 변경을 제안한다.실제로 1차 RfC 이전에 토크 페이지에서는 전혀 소스 기반의 토론이 이루어지지 않았다.RfC는 그 기사에 대해 비협조적인 사설 "오피니언" "진실"과 독창적인 연구를 강요하는 도구가 아니다.세속주의에 대한 논쟁을 진척시키는 편집자 중 적어도 한 명은 속박으로 차단되었다 - 같은 WP:OR은 적어도 하나의 다른 기사에 나타나 있으며, 나는 이미 WP를 찾았다.편집자의 분석과 정면으로 모순되는 RS.나는 기사를 개선하고 토론하는 것에 반대하지 않지만, 합의는 출처 기반의 토론을 필요로 한다.기사 토크 페이지에서 특정 출처 기반 변경에 대한 합의를 얻으려는 편집자를 막을 수 있는 것은 없다.세라핌 시스템 23:20, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 만약 누군가가 지난 RfC에서 무슨 일이 일어났는지 정확히 밝힐 수 있다면 아마 도움이 될 것이다.현재 논의되고 있는 방식은, 관련되지 않은 사람이 실제로 무슨 일이 일어났는지 이해하는 것이 꽤 어렵다.내가 두 번째 RfC를 닫았을 때 내가 생각했던 것은 다음과 같다: 나는 Godric이 최초의 RfC를 아무런 합의도 없이 마감했다고 생각했다. 왜냐하면 Godric은 원래의 RfC에서 너무 많은 표가 WP일 뿐이라고 생각했기 때문이다.OR 및 WP:정책 기반보다는 SYNTH.그리고 나서 그는 새로운 RfC를 만들기 위해 그의 측근의 일원으로 진행되어 사람들이 문제의 문장의 각 특정 부분에 투표할 수 있게 되었고, 아이스위즈는 모든 과거 시청자들을 비난하였다.이게 전말이 아니니?브루스토퍼 (대화) 23:23, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 마감은 내가 정식으로 이의를 제기한 후에 수정되었다.적어도 3명의 편집자가 RfC의 비소스에 근거한 "투표"에 반대했었다.제안서의 다른 부분을 푸는 것도 어려웠다.민주주의를 없애자는 공감대는 분명했지만, 문장의 다른 부분, 특히 '세컨더리'에 대한 공감대는 훨씬 약했다.고드리치는 다부 RfC를 개설하기로 했다.많은 문제들은 첫 번째 RfC가 논의 없이 부적절하게 제안되었고 WP가 지원하지 않는 변경에 대하여 다음과 같이 제기되었다.RS, 그리고 두 번째 RfC는 해명을 요구했다.나는 확실히 WP가 지원하지 않는 더 이상의 "투표"를 위해 토론이 재개되어서는 안 된다고 생각한다.RS. 세라핌 시스템(talk) 23:28, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 거의 완전한 참여 부족 때문에 합의된 바가 없기 때문에 제2차 RfC는 즉시 재개폐되어야 한다고 말하고 싶다.나는 그것이 어떤 확실한 결론에 도달하기 위해 사용되었어야 했다고 생각하지 않는다.57번 23:30, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- @번호 57: 좋은 생각인 것 같아.(하나와 반대되는) 9명의 사용자들이 이 모든 단어들이 선두에 놓이는 것에 반대한다는 것을 고려하면, 그것은 앞으로 더 많은 문제를 야기할 것이다. 왜냐하면 구 RFC의 참가자들이 원래의 RFC에서 그들이 경쟁했던 단어들에 항의하기 위해 돌아올 것이기 때문이다.그 글은 토론을 장려할 수 있도록 잠겨 있어야 한다.토론은 이제 기사에 추가되고 있는 세 단어에 초점을 맞추어야 한다(세컨더리, 유니터리, 의회 공화국).그리고 그것은 RFC가 아니라 간단한 토론일 필요가 있다.RFCs는 실제로 이 경우, !votes가 사물을 더욱 복잡하고 혼란스럽게 만들 것이기 때문에, 특히 RS에 따라 각각의 단어를 철저히 분석해야 할 때. 에티엔 도렛 (talk) 23:44, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 그가 "이것을 초래한 이전 RfC의 주장을 고려했다"고 더 자세히 진술할수록, 그것은 다시 열어야 할 이유가 아니다.그는 분명히 다음과 같이 말한다.
이전 RfC에서 세속주의에 대한 논의의 상당부분은 다시 출처를 제공하기는커녕 단지 사람들이 자신의 의견과 주장을 내놓는 것에 불과했다.
그런 만큼 터키를 세속주의로 묘사하는 본래의 현상적 위치에서 벗어나야 한다는 공감대가 형성돼 있지 않다.
WP와 완전히 일치한다.POL. 세라핌 시스템 23:41, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 거의 완전한 참여 부족 때문에 합의된 바가 없기 때문에 제2차 RfC는 즉시 재개폐되어야 한다고 말하고 싶다.나는 그것이 어떤 확실한 결론에 도달하기 위해 사용되었어야 했다고 생각하지 않는다.57번 23:30, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 마감은 내가 정식으로 이의를 제기한 후에 수정되었다.적어도 3명의 편집자가 RfC의 비소스에 근거한 "투표"에 반대했었다.제안서의 다른 부분을 푸는 것도 어려웠다.민주주의를 없애자는 공감대는 분명했지만, 문장의 다른 부분, 특히 '세컨더리'에 대한 공감대는 훨씬 약했다.고드리치는 다부 RfC를 개설하기로 했다.많은 문제들은 첫 번째 RfC가 논의 없이 부적절하게 제안되었고 WP가 지원하지 않는 변경에 대하여 다음과 같이 제기되었다.RS, 그리고 두 번째 RfC는 해명을 요구했다.나는 확실히 WP가 지원하지 않는 더 이상의 "투표"를 위해 토론이 재개되어서는 안 된다고 생각한다.RS. 세라핌 시스템(talk) 23:28, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
추가적으로, 사용자:EtienneDolet은 WP에서 격전지 행동의 오랜 역사를 가지고 있다.ARBAA2 - 경고 포함.[61] 편집 패턴을 자세히 살펴본 것은 아니지만, "중립적으로 편집하지 못하는 것"이 이 주제 영역으로 흘러 넘치고 있을 수도 있다.RfC 기간 중 그의 논평은 WP에 근거하지 않았다.다음을 포함한 RS:
- "사실, 터키가 민주주의 국가였다고는 말하기 어렵다.서방세계는 아타튀르크와 에르도안을 끊임없이 비교하기 때문에 지금 당장 사랑하고 있는 것으로 알고 있지만 아타튀르크는 일당 지배하에 철권통치를 했다.그의 시대 동안 당신은 터키어 이외의 다른 언어도 공개적으로 말할 수 없었소."
- "비터크인들에 대한 인권침해, 강제동화, 강제추방, 인종적 정체성 부정, 언어의 금지, 그리고 노골적인 대량학살에 대한 길고 광범위한 기록으로 가득 찬 나라는 문화적 다양성을 받아들이는 것으로 간주되어서는 안 된다.그것은 나에게 꽤 명백하다.세속적인 것도 마찬가지야."
- 그는 "물론 터키가 드제르 민주주의(브리타니카 소식통들은 그런 말도 하지 않는다)라고 말할 수도 있는 RS들이 있는데, 마치 북한이 공화국이라고 말하는 RS들이 있는 것처럼 하지만 현실과 맞지 않는다면 그렇게 제시되어서는 안 된다"고 말했다.
- "잃어버린 문명 위에 앉아 있다고 해서 문화적으로나 육체적으로나 문화적으로나 그 문명 자체를 파괴했을 때 특히나 당신을 포용하는 것은 아니다."
- "리더와 이 특별한 경우에, 그것은 기사에서 이미 발견된 신뢰할 수 있는 소싱된 내용으로부터 기초되어야 한다."
마지막 부분과 관련해 브루스토퍼는 자신의 친서에서 언급하고 있다. 위키피디아의 목소리에 터키를 세속적인 것으로 묘사하는 글의 본문에 출처화된 설명이 있다.
예를 들어, 언어가 금지된 출처는 어디인가?쿠르드족은 1980년대까지 금지되지 않았고, 아르메니아인 집단 학살과는 아무런 관련이 없었다.비록 당신이, 내가 그렇듯이, 이곳의 견해에 공감한다 하더라도, 백과사전에 비협조적인 사람의 의견과 POV를 강요하기 위해 RfC 과정을 남용하는 것은 용서할 수 없다.기준이 더 높아야 한다.배틀그라운드 행태에 대해서는, 기사 토크 페이지에 대한 근거 없는 인신공격은 [62]를 중지할 필요가 있다 - 어떤 포럼 쇼핑인가?디프가 어디 있지?나는 ANI에서 클로져와 의논한 끝에 클로져에 도전했다.세라핌 시스템 23:56, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
사용자:173.241.122.42
173.241.122.42는 WLBZ에 대한 나의 편집 내용을 되돌리고 있으며, 편집된 내용이 없을 때 오타가 있다고 주장하고 있다. 그는 분명히 백과사전을 만들러 온 것이 아니다.[63] [64] [65] Mvcg66b3r (대화) 15:35, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 나는 지금 당장은 아무것도 필요하지 않다고 생각한다; 이것은 평범한 공공 기물 파손 행위지만, 우리는 몇 가지 더 편집하지 않고는 일반 기물 파손 행위를 차단하지 않는다.네 번째 번복된 경우 3RR 위반으로 보고하십시오(내 토크 페이지 또는 WP:AN3); 당신은 반달리즘을 되돌리고 있기 때문에, 당신의 반달리즘은 면제되지만, IP의 편집은 면제되지 않으며, 네 번째 반전은 그를 즉시 차단할 수 있게 만들 것이다.나이튼드 (대화) 2017년 12월 27일 15시 55분 (UTC)[
나는 여기서 코멘트를 재구성하거나 완전히 삭제하려는 끈질긴 시도를 되돌리고 있지만 [66] 이 비누박싱이 PETA 토크 페이지에 있는 것인지 전혀 궁금하다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (대화) 2017년 12월 27일 18:00 (UTC)[
- 그것은 거기에 속하지 않고 제거되어야 한다.위키피디아 토크 페이지는 개인적인 소란을 위한 비누 상자가 아니다.노스비사우스바라노프 (대화) 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC) 18:02 [
- 고마워그렇긴 하지만, 내가 신고한 계정이 그 블록을 얻은 것 같았다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:03, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 그리고 그것은 [67]로 돌아왔고, 그래서 이것은 아마도 더 많은 주의가 필요할 것이다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (대화) 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC) 18:05 [
- 그 불경함이 차단된 사용자의 토크 페이지[68]로 퍼지는데, 나는 그것을 마지막 좋은 버전으로 복원할 수 없다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:08, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 그건 기괴한 되돌리기 역사야 2601년, 넌 네가 잘못해서 물질로 되돌아가고 있었다는 걸 깨달았지?제대로 된 편집자가 막혔는지 모르겠어.핑 위드르. --닐Ntalk to me 18:17, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 닐NeilN이라는 사실을 알고 난 후에야 깨달았어. 그래서 내가 이 토론에 참여하게 된 거야.Re: 차단된 사용자들의 편집은 단순히 합리적인 설명으로 호통을 제거하지 않고, 그들만의 사설과 풍자적인 훅을 삽입하고 있었다.그것은 어느 쪽이든 엉망진창이었다. 나는 확실히 나의 빠른 반격의 회복을 옹호하지 않을 것이다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:29, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 나는 옳은 일을 하려던 미섹스 씨의 차단을 풀었고, 십자포화에 휘말렸다.컬렌렛328 2017년 12월 27일 18:38 (UTC) 토론하자[하라
- 12월 17일 위키피디아에 그의 유일한 편집에서 반 마허의 소리를 올린 사람은 밥 스페스였다.그것은 열흘 동안 그들의 눈에 띄지 않고 앉아 있다가, 지옥이 무너졌다.컬렌렛328 2017년 12월 27일 18:41, (UTC) 토론하자[하라
- 그들이 그 문제에 대해 어떻게 생각하는지를 고려해 볼 때, 나는 그들이 십자포화를 일으켰다고 주장할 것이다: [69]; [70]; 요약 편집은 도움이 되지 않았다. [71].2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:42, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- IP가 옳다: Messeeks씨는 분명히 그 페이지를 활보하고 있었다. 비록 그들은 포럼 같은 BLPvios를 원작자의 뺨에 혀가 있는 것처럼 보이는 것으로 바꾸면서 그렇게 했다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- 그들이 그 문제에 대해 어떻게 생각하는지를 고려해 볼 때, 나는 그들이 십자포화를 일으켰다고 주장할 것이다: [69]; [70]; 요약 편집은 도움이 되지 않았다. [71].2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:42, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 12월 17일 위키피디아에 그의 유일한 편집에서 반 마허의 소리를 올린 사람은 밥 스페스였다.그것은 열흘 동안 그들의 눈에 띄지 않고 앉아 있다가, 지옥이 무너졌다.컬렌렛328 2017년 12월 27일 18:41, (UTC) 토론하자[하라
- 나는 옳은 일을 하려던 미섹스 씨의 차단을 풀었고, 십자포화에 휘말렸다.컬렌렛328 2017년 12월 27일 18:38 (UTC) 토론하자[하라
- 닐NeilN이라는 사실을 알고 난 후에야 깨달았어. 그래서 내가 이 토론에 참여하게 된 거야.Re: 차단된 사용자들의 편집은 단순히 합리적인 설명으로 호통을 제거하지 않고, 그들만의 사설과 풍자적인 훅을 삽입하고 있었다.그것은 어느 쪽이든 엉망진창이었다. 나는 확실히 나의 빠른 반격의 회복을 옹호하지 않을 것이다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:29, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 그건 기괴한 되돌리기 역사야 2601년, 넌 네가 잘못해서 물질로 되돌아가고 있었다는 걸 깨달았지?제대로 된 편집자가 막혔는지 모르겠어.핑 위드르. --닐Ntalk to me 18:17, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
- 고마워그렇긴 하지만, 내가 신고한 계정이 그 블록을 얻은 것 같았다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (토크) 18:03, 2017년 12월 27일 (UTC)[
그 편집 요약을 읽은 후에, 나는 Messeek씨에게 경고했고, 그들의 편집 내용을 지켜볼 것이다.컬런328 2017년 12월 27일 20:25 (UTC) 토론하자[하라
반복 증분 반달
| 레인지블록 적용 - 부시랜저 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
우리는 반복적으로 IP를 파괴하고 있는데, 주로 스포츠의 우승 기사들을 대상으로 하지만, 소수의 영화 기사들도 대상으로 하고 있다.토론이 스포츠 통계로 바뀌면 눈이 반짝거리기 시작하니 영화 기사에 국한된 사례지만 스포츠 기사에서 비슷한 패턴을 확인했다.
(편집자가 IP를 너무 빨리 바꿔서 아무데도 알리지 않았다.)
사용 중인 광범위한 IP 목록을 포함한 자세한 내용은 다음 사용자에서 확인할 수 있다.SummerPhDv2.0/Cellco_vandal.
샘플 동작:
- 2017년 10월 24일 113분 ~ 114분 16:33까지 운행시간
- 2017년 10월 24일 114분 ~ 115분 16:37까지의 운행시간
- 2017년 11월 3일 115분 ~ 116분 14시 25분 운행시간
- 2017년 11월 3일 116분 ~ 117분 15:01까지 운행시간
- 115로 되돌림)
- 2017년 11월 3일 115분 ~ 116분 17시 17분 운행시간
- (IMDb당 113으로 되돌림)
- 2017년 11월 3일 113분 ~ 115분 17:42까지 운행시간
편집자는 편집 요약을 사용하지 않으며 모든 토크 요청을 무시하며 IP를 자주 변경한다.영향을 받는 글의 범위는 상당히 크지만(최소한 10여 개) 대부분의 IP는 좁은 범위에 있다.내가 확인한 주소에서 관련 없는 편집은 본 적이 없지만 레인지 블록에서 부수적인 피해가 얼마나 올지 알 수 있는 방법은 거의 없다.생각/제안? - SummerPhDv2.0 23:17, 2017년 12월 22일 (UTC)[
- 위키백과일 수 있음:장기학대/론 거짓말쟁이 빌피케 (대화) 23:25, 2017년 12월 22일 (UTC)[
- 이 범위는 최소의 부수적 피해로 안전하게 차단될 수 있다: 2600:1017:B024:0/40 Billhike (대화) 23:38, 2017년 12월 22일 (UTC)[
내 토크페이지의 반달리즘
내 토크 페이지에서 여러 가지 모욕과 함께 가짜 블록 알림과 함께 이것을 보십시오.치료해 주면 고맙겠다.스크래퍼아이언IV 15:24, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 사용자는 ScrapIron의 페이지에서 삭제된 괴롭힘, 거짓 경고에 대해 경고하였다.Bigg Boss 11에서 문제의 명백한 근원에 대해 일부 보호가 필요할 수 있다.아크로테리온 (토크) 15:31, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 나중에 큰 상사를 태그하는 것으로 바뀐 것에 대해 Breakd에 의해 Scraps talk에 태그가 붙었기 때문에, Breakd는 이전에 차단된 적이 있고, 내가 아는 바로는 그들이 합류한 이후 위키에 더 이상 기여하지 않았다는 것을 지적하고 싶다.그냥 내 2센트야.크리스 "워머신윌드Thing" 15:37, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
사용자: 씨제이하르트 컨덕션
| 아무데도 안 간다. --BrownHairdGirl (대화) • (출연) 01:46, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
가능한 한 타인과 민간적으로 더 잘 협력하고 위키피디아에 가능한 한 많은 양질의 콘텐츠를 제출하려고 노력하면서, 나는 사용자: cj하르드는 특히 나를 '본질적으로' 스토킹하고 내가 편집한 내용을 악의적으로 한 페이지에 되돌리는 방식으로 가고 있다.다른 사용자들은, 적어도 나중에 나의 증거를 검토할 때, 특정 내용에 대해 나와 동의하지 않지만, 정확하고 신뢰할 수 있다면 그것을 받아들이고 필요에 따라 일이 진행되도록 하는 경향이 있다.그들이 하지 않을 때, 나는 그것을 받아들이고 버릴 수밖에 없다.스노클링(Toni Brxton 앨범) 기사에서 나는 인포박스에서 의심스러운 정보를 발견했다.반달에 의해 그 성격에 의해 추가된 것을 감지하여(제공된 출처/초대 또는 요약 설명을 편집하지 않음) 나는 그것을 제거하고 정확한 정보를 복구했다."Summer..."를 지나치는 한 사용자는 내 편집 내용을 되돌리고 잘못된 정보를 추가한 다음 내 페이지에 경고를 보냈는데, 그것은 내가 무례하고 잘난 체하는 것으로 인식되지만, 만약 그 페이지 편집 기록을 공부하지 않았다면, 올바른 결론에 도달하기 위해 어느 정도 이해할 수 있었다.나는 실망감을 해소하고 나서 토크 페이지에 토론을 열어 증거를 제시했는데, 아무도 그 내용에 대한 그들의 견해를 대답하거나 설명하지 않았다.나는 2001년에 등재된 편집본을 복원했는데, 그것은 4년 전 한 반달의 작품이었기 때문에 2000-01년의 날짜 기간 동안 아무도 출처를 제공하지 않았다는 믿음에서였다.TLC 크리프(TLC song)와 마찬가지로 (TLC song) (Thank you User:Beyoncetan이 내가 그것을 고치는 것을 도와준다), 사용자:cj하르드는 이번 눈송이 페이지에서 "비파괴적인 추가는 그만 하라"고 나를 꾸짖으며 재빠르게 나의 공헌을 다시 풀었다.거기서 나의 편집의 맥락을 연구하면, 그것은 정반대다.이를 문제 삼으며, 나는 토크 페이지에서 이 사용자의 나에 대한 태도에 싫증이 나서 그것이 원한을 품고 있다는 것을 알게 되었다.사용자:cjhard는 위키피디아에 있는 다른 사용자들과도 관련이 있는데, 때로는 불필요하게 호들갑 떨거나 잘난 체하면서(사용자:ENG에 대한 태도 참조) 그들은 나를 위키피디아에서 무기한 금지하려는 시도에 무작위로 기여한 후, 악의에 차서 나에게 극도로 편향된 태도로 행동하고 있다.그런 다음 그런 일이 일어나지 않았을 때 미묘하게 불쾌감을 표시했는데, 이 때 나는 당황스러운 경고(Your alerts 탭)를 통해 그것에 대해 받았다.
만약 사용자가 기사에서 나의 선의의 편집을 취소하기 위해 그들의 방식에서 벗어나고 있지만 다른 사용자가 같은 행동을 할 때 다른 사람의 뺨을 돌린다면, 그것은 약간 타겟이 되고 전혀 객관적이지 않다고 생각할 수 밖에 없다.나는 다른 사용자들이 객관적이기를 거부하고 나의 기여와 싸우며 개인적인 것처럼 보일 정도로 과거의 사건들을 나에게 대항하는 것을 즐길 수 없다.특히 cjhard의 기사면 diff 이전에 이 talk page diff에서 내가 왜 정정했는지를 증명할 때 디프 1, 2에서의 나의 기여가 어떻게 되돌릴 가치가 있었는지 모르겠다.전에도 그랬듯이 사용자: cjhard는 아마도 그들이 단지 그것을 제공한 사용자들에 대한 감정과 동일한 컨텐츠에 대한 다른 사용자들과 동일한 행동을 하지 않는 것에 근거하여 편집에 그치지 않고 보다 객관적으로 여기서 일을 진행할 필요가 있다는 것을 인식해야 할 필요가 있다.오랜 시간 동안 다른 사용자들이 나를 대하는 태도에 불쾌감을 느끼고 나를 차단하려는 비슷한 시도를 했지만, 나는 결국 그들을 위해 많은 기여를 하고 연구를 하기 어렵게 공유하기 위해 내 길을 떠났다.내가 그렇게 즐겁고 너그러운 사람이 될 수 있다면, 사용자: cj하드는 그렇게 할 수 없고, 열성적인 IP 사용자 63.92.231.105가 제출한 무효한 내용을 내가 충실히 바로잡은 데 대한 대응으로, 나에 대한 전쟁 편집 및 허위 고발에 대비하여 실제 불량 콘텐츠의 복원에 엄격하게 집중할 수 없다.-카메이커1 (대화) 2017년 12월 29일, 2017년 12월 29일(UTC)[
- 네가 편집한 cj하드 수정본의 두 가지 예를 본다.나는 당신이 ANI에 이것을 가져오고 조정 요청을 하고 그를 WP에 보고하기 전에 cjhard와 합리적인 방법으로 당신의 우려에 대해 논의하려는 시도를 0번 본다.새로워. 여기 있는 너의 걱정은 너무 과장된 것 같아.나는 또한 그의 토크 페이지에 있는 너의 게시물이 너무 과장되고 전투적이라고 생각한다.내가 보기엔 네가 지금 행동하는 방식이 최근 너의 행동에 대해 다른 ANI 스레드가 열린 이유의 일부인 것 같아.나는 위키피디아에서 가장 최근의 실마리를 다음과 같이 보았다.관리자_noticeboard/IncidentArchive971#Another_Carmaker1_report_for_NPA_and_OWN은 결코 종결되지 않고 보관되었지만, 거기서 요약 편집을 통해 다른 사람들에 대한 코멘트를 금지하는 주제에 대한 명확한 합의가 있었던 것 같다.(대화만) 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC) 14:13 (
- 내가 기억하기로는 오토모티브 주제 편집에 대한 주제발표가 금지되어 있지 않았고, 다시 그 주제로 되돌아온 나는 오토모티브 부분에서 매우 잘했고 음악에 적당히 집중했다.주제 금지는 요약 편집에 사용자 이름을 쓰지 않는 합의된 측면과 아무런 관련이 없다.나는 더 이상 그렇게 하지 않지만, 내 토크 페이지는 여전히 나의 토크 페이지야.이 문제는 이 사용자에 의해 되돌아가고 있는 것과 분명히 나의 편집 기록을 감시하는 측면의 일차적인 초점에서 바로 해결될 것인가, 아닐 것인가?나의 이전 ANI 토론은 4년 전 음악 기사에 부정확한 정보가 소개된 사실과 내가 어떻게 그것을 고치려고 노력했는지(믿음) 그리고 한 번 되돌린 후 설명과 증거를 제공했을 때, 해당 사용자는 토크 페이지를 읽는 노력을 하지 않고 자동으로 되돌아갔다.나는 정보를 소개한 IP 사용자가 반복적으로 잘못된 정보를 제공하는 것에 대한 경고를 받은 후 반달리즘을 구성하는 그러한 편집으로 유명하고 그 반달리즘에 대해 거의 금지되었다는 것을 이미 증명했다.당연히, 대부분의 사용자들은 올바른 일을 하는데 신경을 쓰면서 콘텐츠와 관련된 문제를 상당히 잘 보고 합의를 보게 될 것이다.다른 사용자가 증거를 검토하고 무엇을 해야 할지를 다루려고 하지 않는데, 애당초 어떻게 토론을 할 수 있겠는가?여기서 객관적으로 행동하십시오.나는 위키피디아 사용자로서, 관련 없는 사건들이 잘못된 맥락에서 제기되지 않고, 내가 내 관심사에 일을 제기할 수 있기를 기대한다.언급은 했지만, 다른 참가자와는 달리, 이 사용자가 넘어가지 않았고, 명확한 눈으로 주제를 바라보고 있지 않다고 생각한다.--Carmaker1 (토크) 15:06, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- @Carmaker1: 11월 1일 이후 cjhard와의 모든 상호작용을 보면 cjhard가 스토킹한 증거가 전혀 보이지 않는다.Creep(TLC 노래)에서 편집 요약에서 확인한 내용을 오디오 엔지니어와의 개인적인 대화를 바탕으로 변경하셨습니다.Snowledges (Toni Braxton 앨범)에서, 당신은 소싱되지 않은 추가들을 한 것으로 인해 되돌아갔다.비록 그 정보가 원래 다른 편집자에 의해 추가되었다고 해도, 당신은 되돌리기를 통한 그것의 추가에 대한 책임을 여전히 가지고 있다.당신은 많은 다른 노련한 편집자들로부터 정확히 이런 종류의 행동에 대해 강한 조언을 받았다: 개인적인 지식을 바탕으로 기사를 수정하거나 식별 가능한 출처가 없는 경우.cj하르드가 이런 역전을 한 것은 상당히 맞다.이 정도의 대응은 고사하고 단 두 번의 반전이 어떤 대응도 할 만한 가치가 있다고 주장하는 것은, 음, 그냥 「협업 편집의 이상적 해석」이라고 하자.나는 진지하게 이 보고서를 철회할 것을 제안한다. 곡선의 원주민 사냥 도구들이 날기 시작하기 전에.에기시콘(토크) 2017년 12월 29일(UTC) 18:00[
- 마지막 문장에서 무슨 말을 하고 있는지 좀 명확히 해 주시겠습니까?고마워요.나는 크레이프 기사의 결과에 별로 이견이 없는데, 다만, 몹시 존경받고 열심히 노력한 비욘세탄이 '1993-1994'를 설립하여 같은 내용을 재첨부할 수 있었던 곳만은, 나의 편집과 달리 이를 뒷받침할 원천을 제공하지 않고, cjhard의 관심도 없었다.나의 편집이 불만족스럽다고 여겨진 후, 기존 콘텐츠도 안정적으로 지원받지 못하면서 나에 의해 제거되었다.사용자 Beyoncetan은 친절하게 모든 것을 정리했다.그마저도 크리프 기사는 가장 최근 눈송이와 함께 되돌린 것에 비해 내게는 걱정이 적다.눈송이의 귀환은 원래 연구와 관련이 없기 때문에 의심스럽다.나는 2013년 9월 4일에 했어야 할 일을 하고 있었는데, 그 때는 2000 - 01의 지원되지 않는 잘못된 추가가 이루어져서 그것을 2001년으로 되돌리기 위해서였다.여름...그리고 나는 감사하게도 그 부분을 비워두면서 상호 해결했다.--카메이커1 (토크) 20:27, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 정말? 너는 내 요점을 전혀 읽지 않는구나.이것을 문서화하여 최소한 주목을 받고자 하는 것이 부메랑이라는 것을 전달하는 것은 오히려 코웃음을 치는 것이다. 만약 내가 여기 User에 대해 보고한다면:비욘세탄, 사용자: 1292시몬 또는 사용자: 여름...그때 나는 너의 요점을 아주 분명하게 알 수 있었다.나는 그의 행동과 이해의 상충을 보았기 때문에 이것을 꺼냈다.한 경우 내가 잘못한 것(미공개 인터뷰)을 했는데 그가 그 위에 뛰어오른다(이해할 수 없다).다른 편집자는 같은 내용을 덧붙이면 아무것도 하지 않는다.내가 만든 또 다른 편집자 한 명은 내가 토크를 하고, 그는 그것을 무시하고 끝맺기 위해 토론하지 않기로 선택했다.여름은 나중에 동의하고 적어도 2000-01은 공급되지 않은 상태에서 제거되어야 한다고 결정한다.문제는 그와는 별개로 해결되었다.패턴이 보이나?앞으로 내가 만들어내야 할 ANI 논의는 바로 "그래, 약 xxx 전에 ANI가 있었구나, 너의 걱정거리를 신경쓰는 자동차 회사1...당신은 WP:부메랑, WP:EVIL, WP:짜증나, WP: 방어적인... 기타 자동차 메이커1"난 분명히 괜찮을 거야.고맙게도 비욘세탄과 여름 모두...일을 빠르고 공정하게 해결하는 데 도움을 주기 위해 친절하고 열심히 일하는 편집자들이다.콘텐츠 분쟁에 대한 그들의 노고에 힘입어 이 토론은 그때 종결될 수 있다.두 분 모두 너무 감사하다-카메이커1 (대화) 21:30, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- @Carmaker1: 너는 이것으로부터 가능한 모든 잘못된 추론을 끌어내고 있다.내가 너의 요점에 동의하거나 직접적으로 언급하지 않았다고 해서 내가 그것을 읽지 않았다는 뜻은 아니다.사실, 나는 그랬다.cj하르트와의 상호작용을 살펴본 결과 당신의 성격적 특성이 부족하다고 느꼈던 당신의 불만을 진지하게 대했기 때문이다.cj하르드의 행위가 정책이나 가이드라인을 위반했거나 위반하고 있었던 이유는 보이지 않는다.통상적인 편집상의 의견 불일치는 사실상의 경우와 같이 통상적인 수단(예: 기사 및 사용자 토크 페이지, WP:3O, WP:DR 등)을 통해 우선적으로 해결되어야 한다.상상하는 상대를 곤경에 빠뜨리려는 포룸쇼핑은 거의 효과가 없다.에기시콘 (토크) (출고) 22:05, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 그러나 나는 부메랑에 대한 수줍은 회유에 대한 모라토리엄을 다시 한번 촉구한다.EENG 18:37, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 응? 그럴 필요 없고 너한테 싫은 거 안 했으니까 그거 없이도 할 수 있어.cjhard가 자신의 토크 페이지에서 당신에게 얼마나 무례하게 굴었는지, 게다가, 나는 이 ANI를 앞으로 나아가게 했고, 이 개인은 내가 견제받지 않고 한 번이라도 지적받고 싶지 않은 그들만의 행동 패턴이 있다는 것을 깨닫게 되었다.자, 이제 그만해.--카메이커1 (토크) 21:30, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[하라
- 응? 맞아.나는 그의 토크 페이지에서 cjhard와 대화한 적이 단 한 번뿐이고, 그것에 대해 불쾌한 것은 전혀 없었다 - 나는 농담을 했고, 그는 농담을 받고 다시 농담을 했다.나는 심지어 그것을 연결하지도 않을 것이다. - 이런 식으로 오해할 수 있다는 것은 말도 안 되는 일이다. (위로는 cjhard의 "사용자: EEng에 대한 주의"를 언급하고, 의심을 피하기 위해 나는 당신이 거기서 무슨 말을 하는지 전혀 모른다고 말할 것이다.)"그것 없이 정말 할 수 있어"에 대해, 나는 네가 무슨 말을 하는지 전혀 모르겠다: "부메랑에 대한 수줍은 할례에 대한 모라토리엄을 다시 한번 촉구한다."는 것은 너와 아무 상관이 없다.완전히 뒤죽박죽이 되지 않으면 모든 것을 되돌리는 것 같다.EENG 22:29, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 응? 그럴 필요 없고 너한테 싫은 거 안 했으니까 그거 없이도 할 수 있어.cjhard가 자신의 토크 페이지에서 당신에게 얼마나 무례하게 굴었는지, 게다가, 나는 이 ANI를 앞으로 나아가게 했고, 이 개인은 내가 견제받지 않고 한 번이라도 지적받고 싶지 않은 그들만의 행동 패턴이 있다는 것을 깨닫게 되었다.자, 이제 그만해.--카메이커1 (토크) 21:30, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[하라
- 나는 그 부름에 강력히 반대하며, 더 나아가 편집자에게 그것을 요구하는 항공기를 요청한다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:42, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Carmaker1: 11월 1일 이후 cjhard와의 모든 상호작용을 보면 cjhard가 스토킹한 증거가 전혀 보이지 않는다.Creep(TLC 노래)에서 편집 요약에서 확인한 내용을 오디오 엔지니어와의 개인적인 대화를 바탕으로 변경하셨습니다.Snowledges (Toni Braxton 앨범)에서, 당신은 소싱되지 않은 추가들을 한 것으로 인해 되돌아갔다.비록 그 정보가 원래 다른 편집자에 의해 추가되었다고 해도, 당신은 되돌리기를 통한 그것의 추가에 대한 책임을 여전히 가지고 있다.당신은 많은 다른 노련한 편집자들로부터 정확히 이런 종류의 행동에 대해 강한 조언을 받았다: 개인적인 지식을 바탕으로 기사를 수정하거나 식별 가능한 출처가 없는 경우.cj하르드가 이런 역전을 한 것은 상당히 맞다.이 정도의 대응은 고사하고 단 두 번의 반전이 어떤 대응도 할 만한 가치가 있다고 주장하는 것은, 음, 그냥 「협업 편집의 이상적 해석」이라고 하자.나는 진지하게 이 보고서를 철회할 것을 제안한다. 곡선의 원주민 사냥 도구들이 날기 시작하기 전에.에기시콘(토크) 2017년 12월 29일(UTC) 18:00[
- 내가 기억하기로는 오토모티브 주제 편집에 대한 주제발표가 금지되어 있지 않았고, 다시 그 주제로 되돌아온 나는 오토모티브 부분에서 매우 잘했고 음악에 적당히 집중했다.주제 금지는 요약 편집에 사용자 이름을 쓰지 않는 합의된 측면과 아무런 관련이 없다.나는 더 이상 그렇게 하지 않지만, 내 토크 페이지는 여전히 나의 토크 페이지야.이 문제는 이 사용자에 의해 되돌아가고 있는 것과 분명히 나의 편집 기록을 감시하는 측면의 일차적인 초점에서 바로 해결될 것인가, 아닐 것인가?나의 이전 ANI 토론은 4년 전 음악 기사에 부정확한 정보가 소개된 사실과 내가 어떻게 그것을 고치려고 노력했는지(믿음) 그리고 한 번 되돌린 후 설명과 증거를 제공했을 때, 해당 사용자는 토크 페이지를 읽는 노력을 하지 않고 자동으로 되돌아갔다.나는 정보를 소개한 IP 사용자가 반복적으로 잘못된 정보를 제공하는 것에 대한 경고를 받은 후 반달리즘을 구성하는 그러한 편집으로 유명하고 그 반달리즘에 대해 거의 금지되었다는 것을 이미 증명했다.당연히, 대부분의 사용자들은 올바른 일을 하는데 신경을 쓰면서 콘텐츠와 관련된 문제를 상당히 잘 보고 합의를 보게 될 것이다.다른 사용자가 증거를 검토하고 무엇을 해야 할지를 다루려고 하지 않는데, 애당초 어떻게 토론을 할 수 있겠는가?여기서 객관적으로 행동하십시오.나는 위키피디아 사용자로서, 관련 없는 사건들이 잘못된 맥락에서 제기되지 않고, 내가 내 관심사에 일을 제기할 수 있기를 기대한다.언급은 했지만, 다른 참가자와는 달리, 이 사용자가 넘어가지 않았고, 명확한 눈으로 주제를 바라보고 있지 않다고 생각한다.--Carmaker1 (토크) 15:06, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
Armanjarrettp에서 더 많은 블록 회피
| WP:SPI는 적절한 장소였을 것이지만 어쨌든 SPI는 그 이후로 행해졌기 때문에 우리가 여기서 할 일은 아무것도 없다. –Davey2010 02:07, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
봇이 아무런 논의도 없이 이 부분을 보관했기 때문에, 나는 여기에 다시 등록했다.카드84664 (대화) 15:59, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
아까와 똑같아, 여기 보이는 것처럼.
- ESZCocoran426(대화 · 기여)
문법 불량, 이전에 만든 기사들을 사용하여 다른 트랜짓 템플릿을 변경.또 다른 양말 설명.카드84664 (대화) 17:13, 2017년 12월 25일 (UTC)[
- 이번과 미래의 경우를 위해 SPI 페이지를 시작했어.아마 양말과 관련하여 여기보다 그곳에서의 반응이 더 좋을 것이다, 그래서 이전의 실이 그렇게 조용했던 것인지도 모른다.건배, >시리얼넘버54129...speculates 16:11, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
부적절한 동작, IP 31.173.85.106에서 요약 편집
| 더 이상의 토크 페이지 댓글의 유혹 없이 IP가 일주일 동안 차단됐다.최신 메시지 및 요약 리브델됨.파보니아어 (토크) 17:17, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
앞서 31.173.85.106(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)부터 벨기에의 강간(Rape of Libergia)에서 반달리즘을 정리하고 있었다.그들은 이것을 전혀 친절하게 받아들이지 않았다.[76] [77] [78] 킬리우데가 "잘못된 행동"을 위해 12시간 동안 IP를 차단할 때까지 IP는 계속해서 나와 Abce2의 정화를 되돌렸다.IP의 부적절한 코멘트를 정리한 결과 [79]로 이어졌는데, 이는 단순히 잘못된 행동을 한 것 이상의 자격이 있다고 생각한다.적어도 마지막 편집 요약에서 더 긴 블록과 일부 RevDel을 얻을 수 있을까? (명백한 이유로, IP의 토크 페이지에서 ANI를 알리는 다른 사람이 있다면, 나는 매우 감사할 것이다.)에그산 베이컨 (토크) 17:13, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
Saiph121, 테이크 3
| 일주일 동안 차단. - 부시 레인저 02:11, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
앞서 논의한 바와 같이, Saiph121은 부모와 자식 모두를 같은 기사(편집 지침이기도 하다)에 포함시키지 않는다는 지역적인 합의를 받아들이지 않는다.동일한 분쟁 범주를 여러 기사에 반복적으로 추가, 복원, 재복원 및 재복원한 후, "이 분쟁 범주를 해결하는 데 있어 주요한 합의점을 확립할 것"을 제안했다.수많은 토론과 DRN으로의 두 번의 여행이 위키피디아의 카테고리 사용을 정말로 이해하지 못하는 것으로 밝혀졌지만, 쉐어닝크는 이 질문에 대한 토론을 시작했다(토크:Beauty_and_the_Beast_(2017_film)#Request_for_comment_re:_categories_of_this_film)) 토론 내용을 Saiph121에 통보한다.Saiph121은 토론에 참여하지 않았다.편집 지침에 따르자는 의견이 일치했다.Saiph121은 그들이 "영화에 중요하다"고 생각하는 범주를 포함하기 위해 확립된 합의와의 전쟁을 편집하기 위해 돌아왔다.
위키백과에서 언급된 범주에 대한 광범위한 합의를 이해하지 못하거나 따르지 않기로 선택한 그들의 광범위한 역사를 볼 때:분류) (이전 토론[81], [82] 참조) Saiph121은 단순히 기사에 "해야 한다"고 느끼는 것과 상반되는 지침이나 합의를 이해할 수 없거나 따르지 않으려 한다는 것이 나의 생각이다. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:23, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 10분 정도 걸릴 때까지 기다려야 할 것 같은데...NOT!! 사용자들의 대화 페이지를 봐, 누군가에게 충분한 밧줄을 주는 것에 대해 이야기 해!!SummerPhDv2.0은 이 사용자에게 무서운 인내심을 가지고 있다.아무튼 --Maleroster (talk) 01:38, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 나는 일주일 동안 Saiph121을 차단했고, 나는 요점을 이해하기를 희망한다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:39, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
BLP 아티클에 비소싱 콘텐츠 추가 기록
| Bb23에 의해 차단된 CU. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) 소프트라벤더 (대화) 14:33, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
나는 그 계정의 수정사항들 대부분이 되돌릴 수 있을 것이라고 의심한다.탄생지를 추가하고 장르를 바꾸는 과정에서 수많은 경고가 무시됐다.문제를 보기 위해 임의로 편집을 선택할 수 있기 때문에 디프는 필요하지 않다.2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (대화) 17:58, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
사용자:동부
| 이미지는 하원에서 처리되고 있다.enwiki 편집이 없으므로 여기서는 관리자 조치가 필요하지 않다. -- Ed (Edgar181) 14:25, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
동명(이들 이름만 바꾼 것)의 한국 대기업이 만든 것으로 보이는데, 부적절한 홍보용 사용자 이름을 사용해, 단지 그 대기업 로고를 올리기 위해 만든 것으로 보인다: [83]Pancho507 (토크) 21:48, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- enwiki에 대한 편집 없음(업로드는 Commons에 있으며, 2년 이상 전에 삭제하도록 지정함).이는 WP에서 거절될 것으로 추정된다.UAA.——/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 22:30, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
도움을 받을 수 있을까?
| IP 서핑 차단됨. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) 소프트라벤더 (대화) 14:36, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
러시아 IP가 광란의 질주를 벌이고 있다[84].JNW (대화) 07:16, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
벨렐라의 괴롭힘
| OP는 공공 기물 파손으로 인해 봉쇄되었다. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) 소프트라벤더 (대화) 15:46, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
벨렐라는 나의 건설적인 편집을 되돌리고 나의 토크 페이지에서 나를 괴롭히고 있다.에픽 플로리디언 (토크) 14:13, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 설명도 없고 논의도 없이 이 기사([85][86][87])를 가로채기 시작한 사용자(에픽 플로리디안)가 새로운 계정이라는 점을 지적해야 한다.또한, 벨렐라는 당신을 괴롭히지 않았다; 그는 내가 제공한 대로 편집에 지장을 주는 것에 대해 경고하고 있었다.가능한 WP:부메랑. 인스턴트매트릭스 (대화) 14:18, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- @ 매일 아침 : 서투른 형식이어서 부메랑(에픽 플로리디안이 읽기에 좋을 것 같은)으로 빨리 닫힐 것 같기는 하지만, 이 게시물을 제거하는 데는 명분이 없다.케일리 스타일, 자연스럽게 끝날 것이다 :)
- 에픽 플로리디안, 벨렐라는 당신의 토크 페이지에서 당신을 "해킹"하지 않고, 실제로 당신을 돕고 있다.그들은 완전히 다른 것으로 기존의 기사를 납치하는 것을 반복적으로 (편집-전쟁의 정도까지) 당신의 행동에 대한 그릇된 판단을 당신에게 충고하고 있으며, 당신은 즉시 그만두어야 한다.위키피디아에 롱 베이우, 플로리다 기사를 게재하고 싶다면, 그 글을 써주십시오. 그러면 위키피디아는 자신의 장점에 따라 서거나 떨어질 수 있다.하지만 당신의 치료법은 파괴적인 것에 대해 증명하고 있다. >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 14:24, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- (충돌 편집) 에픽 플로리디안, 사용자 클릭:에픽 플로리디안/플로리다의 롱 베이우(Long Bayou)와 우리는 그 작업을 할 수 있다. >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 14:34, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 사용자 여러분께 대단히 감사드리며:편집자의 변명을 막 끝낸 핀레이 맥왈터.바퀴에 나비를 박살내는 거, 많이?새로운 기사에 대한 아이디어를 가지고 있는 (그리고 그 목적을 달성하는 방법에 대한 몇 가지 조언을 받은) 새로운 편집자로서, 나는 WP의 더 나은 예는 거의 생각할 수 없다.물린. FFS. >시리얼넘버54129...speculates 14:37, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 명백한 반달계정. "새로운 기사에 대한 아이디어"와 무관한 관련 없는 기사 모음집을 파괴한 사람. -- Finlay McWalter··-Talk 14:40, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 뻔해?당신은 그 이슈들이 무엇인지 규명하기 위해 교육과 토론을 시도했을 것이다. >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 14:45, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 음, 이러한 편집은 전혀 이상한 것이 아니다.닐 아인(토크) 15:20, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 나는 그것들이 유용하지 않다는 것에 동의한다(기존 도로 길이를 분명히 두 배로 늘린 것만이 특히 터무니없지만, 다른 것들은 단순히 출처를 잘못 읽을 수 있을 정도로 충분히 가깝지 않은가?-또는 somesch).그러나 이것이 (내가 인용한) "명확한 반달리즘"을 위한 변명이라는 것은 정말 사실이고, 나는 그것이 그것만큼 명확하지 않다고 생각한다.아마도 소위 반다리즘이라고 불리는 것이 실제로 다른 장소에서 그들이 좌절감을 느낄 때까지 시작되지 않았다는 것도 주목할 필요가 있을 것이다. >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 15:27, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 음, 이러한 편집은 전혀 이상한 것이 아니다.닐 아인(토크) 15:20, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 뻔해?당신은 그 이슈들이 무엇인지 규명하기 위해 교육과 토론을 시도했을 것이다. >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 14:45, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 명백한 반달계정. "새로운 기사에 대한 아이디어"와 무관한 관련 없는 기사 모음집을 파괴한 사람. -- Finlay McWalter··-Talk 14:40, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 명백한 파괴 행위 또는 돌아오는 트롤/이벤더.8번째 편집은 이 ANI 스레드를 열고 즉시 {{subst:ANI-notice}~~벨렐라의 TP에, 14번째 편집은 AIV에.계정에서 CU를 실행하기를 원할 수 있다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 15:28, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
AIV 매우 지연됨
| 이제 다시 정상으로 돌아간다.도와주신 모든 분들께 감사드린다. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:18, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
지금 보기만 해도 편두통을 일으키기에 충분하다.22건인데 방금 공공 기물 파손용 양말 반지를 찾았어저기 좀 도와줄래?부머비알Happy Holidays! • Contribs 09:40, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 봇이 {{Noadminbacklog}}에서 {{adminbacklog}}(으)로 변경되지 않은 것 같다.흐흐흐흐흐흐(대화) 10시 53분, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[하라
편집자: 아시리아인 언급 삭제
| 정적 IP는 닌자RobotPirate에 의해 3개월 동안 차단되었다. — 캑터스라이터 20:52, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
이 편집자의 유일한 목적은 아시리아인의 언급을 삭제하거나 "시리아스"로 바꾸는 것으로 보인다.한 달 동안 차단을 당한 후에 그들은 바로 다시 덤벼들었다.에이크코렐 (대화)17:43, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
사용자:92.113.205.84
| CU 차단됨 | |
| Bb23은 CU가 IP를 차단했고 템플릿은 되돌렸다.♠PMC♠ (대화) 05:26, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[ | |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
- 92.113.205.84(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자·블록 로그) - 파괴적 편집 및 WP:IDHT는 이 IP의 행동을 상당히 요약한다.나는 이 편집자에게 템플릿의 토크를 아무 성과 없이 논의하라고 말하고는 되돌릴 수 없었다.[91] - Knowledkid87 (대화) 21:24, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 당신이 생각하는 "무중단 편집"에 대한 몇 가지 예를 들어 주시겠습니까?
- 이 IP 편집자는 12월 19일 이후 거의 2,000건의 편집을 했다.내가 보아온 것들은 내게 타당해 보였다.모두가 그의 말에 동의하는 것은 아니다.그러나 그는 백과사전을 개선하려는 선의의 시도를 분명히 하고 있다.
- IP 편집자는 다음과 같은 몇 가지 짜증나는 행동을 한다.
- --토디1 (대화) 21:50, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- Knowledkid87, 좀 더 명확하게 해줄래?내가 제대로 읽고 있다면, 너의 첫 번째 문제는 대담했던 세월의 제거였다.나머지는 h클래스, 알파벳 변화, 문제없다고 하셨잖아요.비록 앞뒤로 약간의 말다툼이 있었지만, 이 시점에서 IP는 대담했던 세월을 템플릿에 남겨두고 지금은 확장/수정 편집만 하고 있다.문제가 해결된 후에도 IP를 계속 되돌리는 이유는 무엇인가, 그들이 하던 다른 작업을 빠뜨리지 않는 한 번 더 이상 IP를 되돌리지 마십시오.♠PMC♠ (대화) 22:15, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 나는 영어를 잘하지 못한다.나는 지금 내가 편집한 것에 무슨 문제가 있는지 이해할 수 없다.PMC는 상대에게 정확하게 "h클래스와 알파벳의 변화, 문제가 되지 않는다고 하셨는데...IP는 과감한 연도를 템플릿에 남겨두고 이제 확장/수정 편집만 하고 있다.해당 문제가 해결된 후에도 IP를 계속 되돌리는 이유"??92.113.205.84 (대화) 22:21, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- @예고된 혼돈:이 IP는 되돌리기/해제하기 전에 먼저 사물을 논하지 않는다.나는 지금 언어장벽을 알고 있지만, 이것은 WP에 해당될 것이다.CIR 및 WP:우리가 협력 프로젝트인 만큼 참여하라.나는 사실 최근의 변화가 큰 만큼 더 많은 반전을 할 준비가 되어 있는데 IP가 통신할 수 없다면 어떻게 이 문제를 논의할 수 있을까?- Knowledkid87 (대화) 23:53, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- (답장이 늦어서 미안해)IP는 지금 양말 차단되어 있어서, 문제가 일종의 무드로 판명되었고 나는 건설적인 것처럼 보였지만 회피하는 것으로 판명된 누군가를 도우려고 한 것에 대해 화가 났다.나는 사과한다; 나는 위의 나의 논평으로 너를 깎아내리려고 한 것이 아니다.당신의 답변이 있은 후의 나의 다음 단계는 IP에 이 문제를 무단으로 설명하고 그들이 제대로 관여하도록 하는 것이 될 예정이었지만, 내가 말했듯이, CU 블록은 나의 의도를 무색하게 만들었다.동일한 동작(다른 IP 또는 블록이 만료된 후 이 IP에서 발생하는 동작)에 대해 추가로 문제가 있는 경우 알려주십시오.♠PMC♠ (대화) 04:32, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 고마워. IP가 그 블록에 대해 알려주고 싶을지도 몰라. - Knowledkid87 (토크) 04:53, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- Bb23은 내가 아니라 CU 블록을 했고, 나는 그가 사용자 페이지에 템플릿을 배치하지 않은 이유가 있다고 생각한다.(한편으로는, 당신이 3RR에 있었고 지금 당장은 할 수 없었기 때문에, 나는 당신의 마지막 버전으로 템플릿을 되돌렸다.)♠PMC♠ (대화) 05:14, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 그리고 다시 한 번 고마워.이제 해결된 것처럼 문을 닫을 수 있을 것 같아, 새해 복 많이 받으세요! - Knowledk87 (대화) 05:16, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- Bb23은 내가 아니라 CU 블록을 했고, 나는 그가 사용자 페이지에 템플릿을 배치하지 않은 이유가 있다고 생각한다.(한편으로는, 당신이 3RR에 있었고 지금 당장은 할 수 없었기 때문에, 나는 당신의 마지막 버전으로 템플릿을 되돌렸다.)♠PMC♠ (대화) 05:14, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 고마워. IP가 그 블록에 대해 알려주고 싶을지도 몰라. - Knowledkid87 (토크) 04:53, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- (답장이 늦어서 미안해)IP는 지금 양말 차단되어 있어서, 문제가 일종의 무드로 판명되었고 나는 건설적인 것처럼 보였지만 회피하는 것으로 판명된 누군가를 도우려고 한 것에 대해 화가 났다.나는 사과한다; 나는 위의 나의 논평으로 너를 깎아내리려고 한 것이 아니다.당신의 답변이 있은 후의 나의 다음 단계는 IP에 이 문제를 무단으로 설명하고 그들이 제대로 관여하도록 하는 것이 될 예정이었지만, 내가 말했듯이, CU 블록은 나의 의도를 무색하게 만들었다.동일한 동작(다른 IP 또는 블록이 만료된 후 이 IP에서 발생하는 동작)에 대해 추가로 문제가 있는 경우 알려주십시오.♠PMC♠ (대화) 04:32, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- @예고된 혼돈:이 IP는 되돌리기/해제하기 전에 먼저 사물을 논하지 않는다.나는 지금 언어장벽을 알고 있지만, 이것은 WP에 해당될 것이다.CIR 및 WP:우리가 협력 프로젝트인 만큼 참여하라.나는 사실 최근의 변화가 큰 만큼 더 많은 반전을 할 준비가 되어 있는데 IP가 통신할 수 없다면 어떻게 이 문제를 논의할 수 있을까?- Knowledkid87 (대화) 23:53, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
사용자에 의한 법적 위협:로바퍼1713
| 무기한 차단 (대화) 14:27, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
여기서 법적 조치를 취할 수 있다고매그놀리아677 (대화) 14:04, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 무한정 차단됨.(대화만) 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC) 14:27 [
친족의 명백한 민족주의 편집 전사
| 편집자는 중립성에 의해 막혔다. 소프트라벤더 (토크) 08:03, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC) (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
진/조미 기사는 출처가 상충되고 명칭 등을 둘러싸고 여러 민족 사이에 분쟁이 일어나기 때문에 어렵다.User:ConradWalterSmith는 갑자기 논의되지 않은 주요 변경사항을 만드는 것으로 나타나 원본 텍스트를 삭제하고 일부 원본 텍스트를 변경하며 원본이 없는 텍스트를 추가했다.나는 그를 되돌리고, 그의 토크 페이지로 가서 "제발 다시는 그러지 마.분쟁이 있을 경우, WP를 만나는 출처와 함께 토크 페이지로 이동하십시오.RS. 나는 명명법에 대한 논쟁이 있다는 것을 알고 있지만 우리는 이 문제에 대해 편을 들지는 않는다."그의 대답은 "여기에 명명법에 대한 단순한 논쟁이 아니다.조미(Zomi)는 친(Chin)의 한 부분군이다.이 정보의 많은 부분이 사실적으로 잘못되었고 당신은 이 잘못된 정보를 퍼뜨림으로써 큰 해를 끼치고 있다.넌 네가 뭘 하고 있는지 전혀 몰라.미국의 모든 친족 커뮤니티에 가서 이 페이지를 보여줘.이것은 진 사람들에게 터무니없고 모욕적이다.추정과 추측을 사실로 쓰고 등을 쓰다듬어 줄 수는 없다.이런 잘못된 정보를 퍼뜨림으로써 전체 민족을 분열시키는 겁니다.이는 본질적으로 하나의 유럽 민족이 유럽 전체를 구성한다고 말하는 것과 같다."이것은 사실 논쟁이다. "진이라는 용어는 일반적으로 버마 안에 사는 사람들을 지칭하는 말로만 쓰인다.최근까지, 진이라는 용어는 이 민족들 중 어느 누구도 자신을 묘사하기 위해 선택할 수 있는 정체성이 아니라는 공감대가 있었던 것으로 보이며, 많은 사람들에게 그것은 경멸적인 것으로 여겨지고 있다.그러나, 일부 진 민족주의 역사학자들은 이 용어의 권한을 자기 참조의 비능률화된 형태라고 주장하려고 노력했다.어떤 사람들은 조와 조미라는 용어가 모든 진족의 신화적 공통 조상의 이름에서 유래되었다고 말하면서, 조와 조미라는 용어를 홍보한다.그러나 모든 친족 집단이 이 해석을 받아들이는 것은 아니다.버마 정부 내에서도 인도의 미조람과 버마의 '조랜드'를 통합하려는 범조 정치운동의 전개에 대한 우려가 있었다.
나는 단지 분쟁이 있고 그것이 RS로 덮혀 있다는 것을 보여주기 위해 이 세부사항을 제공하고 있다.편집자들이 이 기사들을 오가며 그들의 특별한 수완을 반영하도록 노력한다.내가 여기 온 이유는 편집 분쟁처럼 보이지만, 이 편집자가 편집 요약본 "젠장 더그"로 같은 종류의 변경을 계속했기 때문에 정상적인 방법으로 처리될 수 있다는 것이 분명하지 않기 때문이다.나는 정말로 이런 편집자들을 상대할 힘이 없어, 그들이 원본 텍스트를 삭제했을 때 신경도 안 쓰고 심지어 눈치도 못 챈 것 같아.편집장과의 한마디가 도움이 될 수도 있겠지만, 솔직히 나는 그냥 내 감시 목록에서 페이지를 떼고 엉망진창으로 남겨두는 편이 나을 것 같다.더그 웰러 토크 09:04, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 더그, 사용자:눈 덮인 것은 가장 최근의 혼란을 미개한 편집 요약본에 대한 질책과 함께 되돌렸다.그리고 나는 그들의 토크 페이지에 편집 전쟁에 관한 개인적인 메모를 올려놓았고, 그들이 추가 편집 전에 토크 페이지 토론에 참여하도록 요청했다.그게 도움이 될지는 두고 봐야지. — 캑터스라이터 20:17, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 나는 이 ANI 통지가 더 이상 부적절한 편집은 쉽게 처리될 것이며, 따라서 이 실을 닫을 수 있다는 충분한 관측통들을 기사를 얻었다고 믿는다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 06:34, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
ConradWalterSmith(토크 · 기여)가 명백히 NOTHERE이고, 교란적으로 편집하며, 강력한 POV로 편집하고, 선의의 편집자들을 공격하고 있기 때문에 블록(또는 최소한 최종 경고)에 대한 상당히 분명한 사례처럼 보인다.소프트라벤더 (토크) 07:53, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
82.132.187.242까지 1주 금지 비존중
| 기사는 닐N에 의해 한 달 동안 반보호되었고, 차단된 IP는 차단되었다. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) 소프트라벤더 (대화) 15:47, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
이 ip
어둠 속의 관현악 기동에서 기여하는 이 ip 82.132.240.129는 일주일 동안 금지되었다.그들은 동일한 블록 82.132.240.129와 다른 IP를 가지고 불과 4일 후에 돌아왔기 때문에 결정을 존중하지 않았다. 여기 82.132.240.129에 대한 보고서가 있다.우비 (대화) 13:50, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- @우비:나는 현재 IP를 차단하고, RFC에서 그들의 코멘트를 삭제했으며, 한 달 동안 그 기사를 반보호했다.레인지블록에는 IP 범위가 너무 크지만 금지된 사용자인 만큼 향후 편집 내용을 모두 시각적으로 되돌릴 수 있다. --NeilN 15:56, 2017년 12월 31일(UTC)[
다중 프로파일을 사용하는 편집기
PAGOFLEGAMES(토크 · 기여), 메달타블(토크 · 기여), 메달타블2(토크 · 기여), 홀리데이오프 2017(토크 · 기여), 올림픽페이지1(토크 · 기여), 카비(토크 · 기여), 선수권대회(토크 · 기여), PARACLHIANMEPIAOLNSHSS(토크 · 기여), 올림픽개요(토크 · 기여) 모두 동일한 사람에 의해 만들어진 것으로 보인다(아마도 더 있을 것이다).그들 모두는 위키 기사 섹션의 사본/수정본으로 구성된 샌드박스를 가지고 있다.편집 이력은 주로 이러한 샌드박스에 대한 편집으로 구성된다.지금까지 WP에 근거하여 1개가 삭제되었다.NOTWEBHOST.그것은 다른 모든 샌드박스에도 적용되는 것 같다.사용자가 런콘 기사의 파괴적 편집자의 양말이며, 우연의 일치일 뿐 차단(이러한 경우는 발생하지 않았다)이라는 점도 삭제 토론에서 제시되었다.사용자:BIO-GRAPHY1/샌드박스는 동일한 사람으로 표시되며, 그렇다면 12살이다.적절한 조치에 대한 의견/제시더비카운틴NZ 00:00, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 예, 사용자의 "생물학":BIO-GRAPHY1/샌드박스는 그들이 Runcorn 근처의 지역에서 온 12살짜리 아이라고 제안하고 있다. 따라서 그들이 그 기사를 편집하고 있다면 놀랄 일도 아닐 것이다."생물학"은 미성년 사용자의 개인정보를 제공하므로 삭제하려고 한다.다른 계정들은 모두 같은 사용자인 것 같다.나는 그들이 샌드박스에서 다양한 것들을 만들려고 하고 있고 그들이 만든 각각의 "무엇"에 대한 새로운 사용자 이름을 만들 필요가 없다는 것을 깨닫지 못하고 있다고 추측한다. 그들은 사용자 이름을 기사 제목으로 사용하고 있다.가장 오래된 사용자 이름을 제외한 모든 사용자 이름을 차단하고 각 사용자 페이지에 정보를 남길 겁니다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 2017년 12월 28일 00:12 (UTC)[
- 그래, 알았어.사용자만 제외하고 모두 차단:Medaltables(나는 다른 두 개의 계정도 찾았고), 그들을 다시 그 사용자 이름으로 가리키는 왼쪽 차단 메시지를 남겼고, 그들의 모든 샌드박스를 Medaltable의 사용자 공간으로 이동시켰다(그리고 그들에게 접근하는 방법을 보여주었다), 그리고 Medaltable의 사용자 페이지에서 무슨 일이 일어났는지 설명했다.아마도 큰 시간 낭비일 것이다. 하지만 만약 그들이 실제로 유용한 것을 하려고 진지하게 노력한다면, 바라건대, 그들은 할 것이다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 00:40, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 끝났어.나는 우리가 곧 엉뚱하게 일어나는 사건이 일어날 것이라고 의심하지만, 그것은 시도해 볼 만한 가치가 있었다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC) 15:05 [
TVtonightokc에 대한 불만 사항
TV토나잇톡은 기사에 정보를 지속적으로 추가해 너무 길어서, 특히 오클라호마 TV 방송국 기사들을 더했다.내가 "아주 긴" 템플릿 위에 올려놓았는데 그가 계속 받아넘긴다.그는 다른 기사에 관련 없는 정보를 추가하기 위해 IP를 사용할 수도 있다.그에게 톤을 낮추거나 최소한 적당한 길이로 물건을 잘라 달라고 말해줄 수 있니?Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:29, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC) 또한 누군가가 그의 토크 페이지의 일부를 보관할 수 있는가?그것도 아주 길어지고 있다.Mvcg66b3r (토크) 00:33, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- Mvcg66b3r, diff든 다른 것이든 증거를 제시해야 한다는 것을 기억하십시오.WP:WIAPA는 "증거가 부족한 개인적 행동에 대한 비난"은 인신공격으로 간주된다고 말한다.또한, 우리가 그것을 찾아야 하는 것보다 당신이 우리에게 증거를 주는 것이 관리자들에게 더 쉽다.이것은 조사하기 다소 쉬운 상황이라 불평은 없지만, 증거를 제시하면 앞으로 어떤 보도도 모든 사람이 쉽게 할 수 있을 것이다.Nyttend (대화) 00:53, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- Mvcg66b3r, 이 아이디어에 대해 Tvtonightokc와 이야기 해보셨나요?메인 스페이스를 제외한 모든 네임스페이스에 대한 당신의 기여를 훑어보면서 나는 그와 어떠한 상호작용을 보지 못했다.우리가 보통 하는 일을 그가 이해하지 않는 한 이런 종류의 활동에 대해 제재를 가하는 것은 특별히 적절하지 않다; 이것은 공공 기물 파손과 같은 것이 아니라, 누구나 부적절하다고 이해할 것이다.메인 스페이스를 제외한 다른 곳(아마도 당신의 토크 페이지, 그의 토크 페이지 또는 하나 이상의 기사 토크 페이지)에서 그와 대화한 적이 있다면, 여기에 이러한 상호작용을 한 장소를 설명하는 메모를 남겨주십시오. 다시 말하지만, 디프가 가장 좋을 것이다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:04, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- Here's some evidence: [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109] And the IP edits: [110] [111] [112] [113] Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:06, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- 고맙다. 내가 부탁한 것이 바로 그것이다.Special에서 편집한 내용은?기여/2600:1700:1D80:47C0:CCA:CF5D:52F7:B249가 양말퍼피를 의심하게 만드는가?티비토니톡이 그동안 해온 무리한 확장보다는 US커뮤니케이션즈에 대한 언급이 확대된 것으로 보인다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:27, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- Mvcg66b3r, 이 아이디어에 대해 Tvtonightokc와 이야기 해보셨나요?메인 스페이스를 제외한 모든 네임스페이스에 대한 당신의 기여를 훑어보면서 나는 그와 어떠한 상호작용을 보지 못했다.우리가 보통 하는 일을 그가 이해하지 않는 한 이런 종류의 활동에 대해 제재를 가하는 것은 특별히 적절하지 않다; 이것은 공공 기물 파손과 같은 것이 아니라, 누구나 부적절하다고 이해할 것이다.메인 스페이스를 제외한 다른 곳(아마도 당신의 토크 페이지, 그의 토크 페이지 또는 하나 이상의 기사 토크 페이지)에서 그와 대화한 적이 있다면, 여기에 이러한 상호작용을 한 장소를 설명하는 메모를 남겨주십시오. 다시 말하지만, 디프가 가장 좋을 것이다.나이튼드 (대화) 01:04, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
토크 페이지 액세스를 취소해야 함
| (비관리자 폐쇄)완료.토네이도 추적자 (토크) 00:49, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
IP 2A02:C7D:4419:E400:80A8:9D60:3F42:56CA는 인신공격으로 차단되었지만 그의 토크 페이지에서 PA와 반달리즘을 계속 만들고 있다.토네이도 추적자 (토크) 00:46, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
노티어로서의 세이그 프리츠
| 차단됨 | |
| (비관리자 폐쇄) 법적 위협으로 무기한 차단 및 무방비 상태의 봇을 공격한 사용자. --Jprg1966 04:53, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ | |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
세이그 프리츠 (토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 사용자 · 블록 로그)
세이그 프리츠에 NOTHERE 블록 요청 중.또한 그들의 토크 페이지에서 이 스크루드된 내용에서 POV, NPA, RGW 등을 고려하십시오.편집 내용을 취소하려면 이 사랑스러운 POV와 XLinkBot의 사용자 악성 코드도 참조하십시오.에버그린피르 (대화) 03:44, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- "나는 위키피디아를 고쳐서 가능하면 책임감 있고, 책임감 있고, 신뢰할 수 있게 만들거나, 범죄와 민사사기를 폭로하고, 결국 그것을 파괴할 것이라는 희망으로 위키피디아와 싸우기로 결정했다." "나는 개혁을 설득하기 위해 모든 형태의 합법적인 행동을 할 것이다. 아니면 나는 위키피디아를 파괴하고 파산시킬 것이다."야, 막혔어.토크 페이지 접속은 아마 다음이 될 것이다. --NeilNtalk to me 03:55, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
주디스 버틀러 기사
| 반달리즘이 부활했다토네이도 추적자 (토크) 00:42, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
IP 편집자 110.77.213.195는 주디스 버틀러에서 이와 같은 편집을 하고 있다.WP에 따라 그것과 기타 편집의 공격적 편집 요약을 숨길 필요가 있다.REVDEL. FreeKnowledgeCreator (토크) 00:08, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- FreeKnowledgeCreator 고마워.Talk에서 더 많은 업무 중단:성 정체성.마스터와 IP를 차단하고 항목을 리프레임한 후 --NeilN 00:12, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
위협 차단
| OP 인데버트가 차단됨. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) Clarkcj12 (대화) 2018년 1월 1일 19:10 (대화)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
C.Fred는 템플릿에 대한 나의 토크 페이지에서 나를 괴롭히고 위협을 가해왔다.
블록 보호 나는 한 달에 1달러에 블록 프로텍션을 판매한다!그것은 당신이 게시판에 보고되는 것을 막아준다.자세한 내용은 내 TP에 게시하십시오! |
위너노티체 (대화) 19:03, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 새 계정 당첨ANotice는 그의 토크 페이지에서 위에 설명된 서비스를 요청하고 있다.그 제안이 어떻게 유효한지 또는 이용약관에 부합하는지 생각할 수 있는 사람이 있는가? —C.프레드 (토크) 19:05, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 삭제된 페이지(G11).트롤 외설. --NeilNtalk to me 19:07, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
도널드 트럼프에 대한 스텔스 반달리즘
| 트럼펫 - 부시 레인저 22:18, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
대화 참조:2018년 1월 1일 도널드 트럼프 #확장-확정-보호된 편집 요청페이지 상단에 거대한 "Fuck Trump" 이미지가 보이는 것은 로그아웃한 상태에서만 볼 수 있고 파이어폭스와만 있을 뿐이다.크롬이나 에지가 아니다.짐1138 (대화) 10:45, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 페이지를 정리해서 고친 것 같아..그것은 익명으로 크롬으로 나타났다.로그아웃할 때만, 이상하다.갤럽터 (pingo mio) 10:52, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[하라
- 그것은 몇 시간 전에 되돌린 템플릿에 대한 파괴 행위였다.짐1138 (대화) 10:58, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
그것은 적어도 한 시간 전에 누군가 그 토크 페이지에 댓글을 달기 전에 있었다 - 이 (kinda amazing) redit 게시물을 보라.갤럽터 (pingo mio) 11:36, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[하라
사용자:위잘 아흐마드 및 저작권
| 사용자 정의 차단됨. (관리자 이외의 폐쇄) 소프트라벤더 (대화) 15:27, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
와살 아흐마드(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 차단 사용자 · 블록 로그)는 여러 차례 경고 후 저작권 위반을 추가해 2016년 12월 24시간 차단됐다.불행히도 이러한 행동은 계속되며, 최근의 예는 사용자 토크에 기록되어 있다.와살 아흐마드 #훈트 박물관 삭제 지명, 사용자 대화:와살 아흐마드#저작권 문제: 고고학 박물관 우메르코트, 사용자 대화:와살 아흐마드# 2017년 12월 및 사용자 대화:Wisal Ahmad#Speed 삭제 지명:제62조 및 제63조.나는 이제 와살 아흐마드가 저작권법을 준수하도록 확실히 하기 위해 추가적인 조치를 취해야 할 때라고 제안한다.코드리스 래리 (대화) 11시 34분, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 그는 또한 BLP에서 신뢰성이 낮은 출처를 인용하여 과도하게 사용한다. --Saqib (대화) 12:34, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 차단 해제 방법에 대한 쪽지를 외설. --NeilN 15:25, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
사용자별 편집:인디 긱
이 사용자는 WP를 위반하는 비디오 게임 기사를 지속적으로 편집한다.오버링크.이들은 며칠 전에 합류한 이후 그들의 유일한 편집본이었다. 그들은 그들에게 이 지침을 상기시키기 위한 나의 초기 노력을 인정하지 않았다.jd22292(Jalen D. Folf) (토크 • 기여) 22:34, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- MOS 위반에 대한 사용자 경고 템플릿 시리즈가 있어.네가 이미 레벨 1 경고를 했으니 레벨 2 경고를 한 거야.이 사건이 내가 인지하고 있지 않은 장기간의 학대 사건이 아니라면(그리고 나는 대부분 알지 못한다), ANI에게는 좀 이르다고 생각한다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 22:43, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
폴란드 기사 - 계획된 POV 공격
나는 그런 상황을 겪어본 적이 없기 때문에 이 문제를 어떻게 시작해야 할지 잘 모르겠지만, 최근 며칠 동안 사용자 연합은 폴란드 기사에 대한 전쟁을 편집해 왔다. 간단히 말해서 나는 그에게 새로운 텍스트에 관한 3RR 규정을 상기시켜주고 그에게 토크 페이지에서 토론을 시작하라고 부탁했다.불행히도, 나의 주장은 무시되었고 사용자 유니온에 의해 다소 불안정한 성명이 내려졌다[115]: "FYI, 이 기사는 가까운 장래에 꽤 많은 개선을 받을 예정이다."폴란드 페이지에 있는 이 사용자의 최근 행동과 빈번한 양말 퍼펫 문제를 근거로, 나는 이것이 기사에 대한 조직적이고 지속적인 POV 공격일 수 있다고 우려된다, 나는 내가 틀렸기를 바라지만, 기사에 큰 혼란을 피하기 위해 관리자들에게 이 상황을 조사할 것을 요청하고 싶다. --E-960 (대화) 22:42, 28 Delmb.er 2017 (UTC)[하라
- E-960, 여기서 논의한 편집자에게 반드시 통지하십시오.이번에 해드렸다. --닐N 22:56, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)
- 3RR에 대한 당신의 말은 아이러니컬한데, 이 논쟁에서 연합이 3RR을 깨지 않은 반면, 당신은 (12월 22:46 27에서 20:02 28 사이에 4번 되돌린다.)Sockpuppetry의 실제 증거가 있다면, 그것을 SPI에 가져가라.또한, 더 이상의 증거도 없이, 대량으로 곧 닥칠 POV 공격에 대한 당신의 경고는 유언비어를 퍼뜨리는 것과 같다.지금까지 이것은 표준적인 편집 분쟁처럼 보이며, 나는 너희 둘 다 통상적인 분쟁 해결 절차를 따를 것을 제안한다.🎄BethNaught (대화)) 23:41, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- BethNaught, 사용자 United가 다음 5차례에 걸쳐 [116], [117], [118], [119], [120]의 성명을 삽입했기 때문에 나는 이 응답에 약간 실망했다.또한, 현실 세계의 현재 정치 상황을 고려할 때, 편집자가 그런 논평을 하는 것을 볼 때, 그리고 그것이 사건 게시판에서 소외되는 것을 볼 때, 나는 위키백과 프로젝트에 대한 믿음을 잃는다. 왜냐하면 폴란드 기사는 결코 편견이 없기 때문에, 그것은 중립적이 되려고 노력하며, 나 자신도 문법, 철자법, 관련 이미지와 관련된 즉흥적인 것에 초점을 맞추고 있기 때문이다.ges to 텍스트(기사는 질적인 관점에서 볼 때 극도로 나쁜 형태였고 나 자신은 정치적인 측면을 추가하지 않고 지난 1년 동안 질적인 측면에 초점을 맞췄다), 그러나 점점 더 많은 편집자들이 뉴스나 불쾌한 정보에 관련된 이슈와 관련된 것을 추가하기 위해 불쑥 들어오는 것을 본다(나는 뒤에 가능한 동기가 있다고 생각한다).그것. --E-960 (대화) 23:56, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 예를 들어 어제 크라코프 페이지의 편집자는 나치 독일 강제 수용소를 그것과 다른 세 페이지에 있는 폴란드 강제 수용소로 바꾸었다. 그러니 누군가가 폴란드 페이지에 그런 발언을 할 때 내가 불편함을 느낀다면 실례가 된다.또는 폴란드 총리가 교통사고를 당했을 때 그 다음 날 이용자가 폴란드에서 교통사고 사망자와 관련, EU에서 가장 높은 수치를 기록했다는 내용을 추가했다.이제 사용자연합은 위원회가 폴란드를 빼앗고 싶다는 뉴스에 EU 보조금에 관한 정보를 포함시키고자 한다.미안하지만 거기에도 있다.2004년 이후로 그것에 대한 정보를 추가해야 할 때였는데, 왜 하필 지금일까?폴란드 기사는 여전히 응집력 부족에 시달리고 있는데, 바로 이것에서 편집자들이 무작위 트라이비아만 덧붙이기 때문이다. --E-960 (토크) 00:00, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- BethNaught, 사용자 United가 다음 5차례에 걸쳐 [116], [117], [118], [119], [120]의 성명을 삽입했기 때문에 나는 이 응답에 약간 실망했다.또한, 현실 세계의 현재 정치 상황을 고려할 때, 편집자가 그런 논평을 하는 것을 볼 때, 그리고 그것이 사건 게시판에서 소외되는 것을 볼 때, 나는 위키백과 프로젝트에 대한 믿음을 잃는다. 왜냐하면 폴란드 기사는 결코 편견이 없기 때문에, 그것은 중립적이 되려고 노력하며, 나 자신도 문법, 철자법, 관련 이미지와 관련된 즉흥적인 것에 초점을 맞추고 있기 때문이다.ges to 텍스트(기사는 질적인 관점에서 볼 때 극도로 나쁜 형태였고 나 자신은 정치적인 측면을 추가하지 않고 지난 1년 동안 질적인 측면에 초점을 맞췄다), 그러나 점점 더 많은 편집자들이 뉴스나 불쾌한 정보에 관련된 이슈와 관련된 것을 추가하기 위해 불쑥 들어오는 것을 본다(나는 뒤에 가능한 동기가 있다고 생각한다).그것. --E-960 (대화) 23:56, 2017년 12월 28일 (UTC)[
- 우리는 이것이 Talk에서 해결될 수 있는 콘텐츠 논쟁이라는 것에 동의할 수 있는가?폴란드? 편집 전쟁이 장기화되면 WP에서 주목해야 한다.A3. BytEfLUShTalk 04:50, 2017년 12월 29일 (UTC)[
- 나는 홀로코스트에 대해 나치 대신 폴란드인들을 비난하려는 것이 "단지 내용 논쟁"이라고 보지는 않는다.모든 것을 가지고 있다는 비난은 있지만 아우슈비츠가 독일군에 의해 운영되었다는 것에는 의심의 여지가 없다.비블브록스 (대화) 01:44, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
- 물론 폴란드인들에게 아우슈비츠를 비난하는 것은 끔찍하고 비열한 짓이며, 나는 나치 사과론자를 돌려서 그 사건을 적절한 이사회에 제출하겠다.나도 동의해, 그런 편집은 심각한 사건이야, 의심의 여지가 없어.그러나 이 경우의 OP는 그러한 편집(노래)을 다른 편집자가 만든 다른 폴란드 관련 기사에서 일어난 일로 언급하고 있다.그것은 그들을 불편하게 만들었고 더 많은 공공 기물 파괴 행위를 경계했다.그러나 이 AN/I에 대한 편집 내용은 다음과 같다.폴란드가 EU 순이익 1위라는 점을 언급해야 할까, 말까.콘텐츠 논쟁의 의미는 바로 그겁니다.BytEfLUSh 04:50, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 나는 홀로코스트에 대해 나치 대신 폴란드인들을 비난하려는 것이 "단지 내용 논쟁"이라고 보지는 않는다.모든 것을 가지고 있다는 비난은 있지만 아우슈비츠가 독일군에 의해 운영되었다는 것에는 의심의 여지가 없다.비블브록스 (대화) 01:44, 2017년 12월 30일 (UTC)[
IP 삭스푸펫
| 차단됨.--Wehwalt (대화) 00:55, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
2602:306:31B4:1C10:BCA4:E10E:B104:EF75(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그) 여기서 보고된 유저의 최신 IP인 것 같다.에이크코렐 (대화) 16:57, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 그들은 한동안 그 일을 해 왔다.2602:306:31b4:1c10:8000::/65 차단 6개월. --닐N 18:58, 2018년 1월 1일(UTC)[
WP:Pointy POV IP 사용자 딘 던햄에서 푸싱
| 제반 기사 - 부시레인저 05:12, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
- 딘 던햄(대화 기록 편집 보호 로그 보기 보기 링크 삭제)
- 86.132.130.243 (토크 • 기여 • 삭제된 기여 • 블랙리스트 적중 • 남용 로그 • 사용자 페이지 링크 • COIBot • 차단 로그 • x-wiki • 필터 검색 편집 • WHOIS • RDNS • 추적 • robtex.com • StopForumSpam • Google • AboutUs • Project HoneyPot)
- WP:포인트
이 IP 사용자는 영국의 "연예인 변호사" 딘 던햄을 위해 부정적으로 지명된 BLP를 만들려는 시도를 추구해 왔다.복싱 데이 이후 그들의 모든 편집은 이 기사에 관한 것이거나, 기사 제목이 이전에 관련되었던 회사에 관한 것이거나, 다른 편집자들에게 기사 제목에 대한 "연결"에 대해 질문하기 위한 것이었다.Flyer22 Reverned는 BLP 게시판에서 이러한 행동을 주목했고, 새로운 사용자 Wolfe2017은 POV 푸싱으로 페이지를 비우고 페이지 삭제에 대한 정보를 얻기 위한 도움말 요청을 게시함으로써 충분히 방해받았다.
이 사용자는 BLP 위반에 대한 실마리가 있음에도 불구하고 대화 페이지를 전혀 사용하지 않아 말을 잘 하지 않는다.그들은 또한 이 주제에 대한 41개의 편집 내용 중 단 6번만 편집 요약을 사용했으며, 그들의 유일한 사용자 토크 페이지 기고는 기사에서 다른 IP 사용자인 Wolfe2017과 나 자신에게 COI에 대해 질문하는 것이다. (기록적으로, 나는 지금 딘 던햄과 개인적인, 전문적인, 또는 다른 종류의 관계를 가진 적이 없다.)
그들의 편집은 사업 실패에 관한 주요 출처에 소싱된 정보를 추가하고 주제와 전혀 언급되지 않은 출처에 피험자의 아버지에 대한 죄책감을 더하는 것과 같은 대부분 비협조적이거나 서투른 BLP 정보를 추가하는 것이다.설명 없이 다른 사용자가 번복한 뒤 이를 복구했고, 검증에 실패한 것으로 되돌린 뒤 다른 IP 사용자를 차단하라는 통화로 다시 복원했다.
나는 이 사용자에게 BLP 위반, 파괴적 편집, 다른 사용자 괴롭힘에 대해 사용자 페이지와 기사 토크 페이지, 그리고 월페2017의 토크 페이지에서 경고하였다.그들은 분명히 이 경고들을 무시해 왔다.이 사용자는 유사한 편집을 한 86.11.49.63(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)과 동일할 가능성이 높다.그들은 가장 최근의 3단계 경고 이후에도 비슷한 활동을 계속하고 있다.이것이 WP에 적합한 것으로 보이지는 않지만:AIV, 그것은 명백히 BLP 정책과 맞지 않고 반복된 경고에도 불구하고 계속되어 왔다.감사합니다.에기시콘 (토크) (토크) (토크) (토크) (토크) 통지의 확인 (토크) (토크) (토크) (토크) (토크) (19:52, 2018 (UTC)[
- 2주 동안 약정된 기사로 IP는 여기에 와서 회신하거나 블록을 감수할 것을 권고했다. --NeilNtalk to me 19:58, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 이것은 내가 정확히 기억할 수 없는 어떤 혼란과 비슷해 보인다.자세한 내용이 다시 떠오르기 전에 조금 더 생각해봐야겠습니다.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 21:02, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 찾았다.그것은 BLP인 Chris Philp에 관한 것이었다.양말 인형들은 사업 실패에 대한 혐의를 반복해서 덧붙이고 있었다.아마 관련이 없을 겁니다만, 그런 생각을 하고 있었던 겁니다.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 21:21, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 에기시콘의 평가에 동의하라.이 일을 도와주신 모든 분들께 감사드린다.플라이어22 재탄생 (토크) 21:24, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- IP가 여기에 게시할 수 없기 때문에, 그들은 기사의 토크 페이지를 사용하라는 지시를 받았다.121] --닐N 22:23, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[]
오하이오 주 제니아에서 인종차별적 언어를 사용하는 알렉산드리아 1749
| 차단됨. - 부시 레인저 22시 15분 (UTC) 2018년 1월 1일 ( |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
알렉산드리아1749는 계속해서 "아프리카계 미국인"을 "색깔"로 바꾼다."색"은 공격적인 용어(색#)이다.미국).
3번이나 바꿨어
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xenia,_Ohio&diff=prev&oldid=818109629
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xenia,_Ohio&diff=prev&oldid=818130488
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xenia,_Ohio&diff=prev&oldid=818132168
그들은 가장 최근의 편집 전에 경고를 받았다: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexandria1749&oldid=818117023.
이들의 반응은 "누가 신경 써?": https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexandria1749&diff=prev&oldid=818132357
알렉산드리아1749와 74.140.205.15는 동일한 편집을 하는 것과 동일한 사람으로 보인다.
--ChiveFungi (토크) 20:09, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 알렉산드리아1749가 1주일간 업무방해 편집이 차단됐다. -1998-플라이르스타93. 20:40, 2018년 1월 1일(UTC)[
- (충돌 편집) 일주일 차단.누군가 기사를 훑어보고 적절한 (소싱된) 용어가 사용되는지 확인해야 한다. --NeilN 20:42, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
IP:119.30.38.147에 대한 우려
| IP 차단. - 부시 레인저 19:19, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
이 IP:119.30.38.147은 내 토크 페이지에 욕설과 모욕적인 욕설을 썼다.IP는 벵갈어로 썼지만 영어 대본으로 썼어!이해를 위해서, 나는 몇 가지 구절을 설명할 수 있다: 빌어먹을, 바보 같은 등, 그리고 그는 나를 쳐다보는 것을 끔찍하게 느낀다!또한 내 개인 스타일/일어나기를 바꾸겠다는 위협도 주어졌다!!욕설과 극도로 내 사생활에 대한 모든 것.나는 걱정이 있고 또한 이 편집된 역사를 숨기고 그런 어리석음에 필요한 조치를 취하기를 바란다.그가 지미 웨일즈와 다른 위키피디아 나히드 술탄에 대해 언급한 것은 개인적인 문제에 관한 것이다.그는 또한 나의 간단한 위키백과 대화 페이지에 같은 글을 썼다.다른 IP 주소가 개인 웹사이트, 소셜 사이트, IMDb 링크 등으로부터 모든 정보가 수집되고 카피비오와 너무 많은 괴롭힘이 있는 자신에 대한 기사를 작성한 경우.~모힌 16:02, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 그것은 노골적인 인신공격과 모욕에 대한 경계로 구성되어 있다.그리고 그가 의도적으로 비난하고 있다는 그의 논평으로 보아, 나는 CU를 위해 강력히 충고할 것이다.Winged BladeGodric 16:09, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
AIV 및 내 토크 페이지에서 복사
지리 이니셔티브는 내 토크 페이지와 AIV에 아래 두 가지 모두를 게재해 왔다.이것은 내가 전에 다루지 않았던 것이다.여기 누구 도와줄 사람 있어?— 마일 (대화) 14:49, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 내 토크 페이지에 게시됨
아시아와 아프리카 지리학에서 유럽 소도시에서 온 국기를 관련 없는 단조로운 등급의 기사에 넣는 이 반달패턴에는 일관된 다년간의 패턴이 있다.어떻게 도와야 할지 모르겠지만, 여기 내가 오늘 본 IP의 목록이 있어.
121.205.49.126 223.104.45.102 219.133.46.12 219.133.46.78 219.133.46.9 219.133.46.8 219.133.46.7 223.104.45.100 223.104.45.104 223.104.45.99 223.104.45.97 219.133.46.74 219.133.46.75 219.133.46.73 219.133.46.70 121.207.74.55 117.24.123.12 120.42.184.160
지리적 개시 (토크) 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC 14:42,
- AIV에 게시됨
- 121.207.74.55 (토크 • 기여 • 삭제된 기여 • 핵 기여 • 로그 • 필터 로그 • 차단 사용자 • 블록 로그) 이 반달은 푸젠성의 군 단위 부서 또는 허난의 군 단위 부서와 같은 범주를 사용한 후 주제와 무관한 깃발을 기사에 넣는 일관된 반달리즘 패턴이 있다.이는 2016년부터 이어져 온 것으로 보인다.The vandal's other IPs: 121.205.49.126 223.104.45.102 219.133.46.12 219.133.46.78 219.133.46.9 219.133.46.8 219.133.46.7 223.104.45.100 223.104.45.104 223.104.45.99 223.104.45.97 219.133.46.74 219.133.46.75 219.133.46.73 219.133.46.70 121.207.74.55 Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:30, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- 117.24.123.12 (토크 • 기여 • 삭제된 기여 • 핵 기여 • 로그 • 필터 로그 • 차단 사용자 • 블록 로그) 이 반달은 푸젠성의 군 단위 부서 또는 허난의 군 단위 부서와 같은 범주를 사용한 후 주제와 무관한 깃발을 기사에 넣는 일관된 반달리즘 패턴이 있다.이는 2016년부터 이어져 온 것으로 보인다.The vandal's other IPs: 121.205.49.126 223.104.45.102 219.133.46.12 219.133.46.78 219.133.46.9 219.133.46.8 219.133.46.7 223.104.45.100 223.104.45.104 223.104.45.99 223.104.45.97 219.133.46.74 219.133.46.75 219.133.46.73 219.133.46.70 121.207.74.55 117.24.123.12 Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:30, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- 120.42.184.160(대화 • 기여 • 삭제된 기여 • 핵 기여 • 로그 • 필터 로그 • 차단 사용자 • 블록 로그) 이 반달은 푸젠성의 군 단위 부서 또는 허난의 군 단위 부서와 같은 범주를 사용한 후 주제와 무관한 깃발을 기사에 넣는 일관된 반달리즘 패턴이 있다.이는 2016년부터 이어져 온 것으로 보인다.The vandal's other IPs: 121.205.49.126 223.104.45.102 219.133.46.12 219.133.46.78 219.133.46.9 219.133.46.8 219.133.46.7 223.104.45.100 223.104.45.104 223.104.45.99 223.104.45.97 219.133.46.74 219.133.46.75 219.133.46.73 219.133.46.70 121.207.74.55 117.24.123.12 120.42.184.160 Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:35, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- 누구의 조사에도 도움이 된다면, 불과 며칠 전 IP로부터 이런 종류의 행동에 대한 추가 데이터 포인트가 있다: 121.205.48.37(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 필터 로그 · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLS · RBLs · htttp · 블록 유저 · 블록 로그) 121.205.48.37.AIV에 보고되고 "장기적 학대"라는 코멘트로 차단되었다.에그산 베이컨 (토크) 15:56, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 특별해 보이는군기여/219.133.46.0/24 및 특수:기여/223.104.45.0/24.그것들은 이미 범위가 차단되었다.가장 최근에 나온 것은 특별해 보인다.기여/121.205.48.0/23. 그러나 /18일 수 있다./23 차단해서 어떻게 되는지 볼게.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 16:55, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 참고: 위키백과:Sockpuppet 조사/Szm020730, 위키백과:장기 학대/Szm020730, 즉 국기 반달.또한 공용:범주:Szm020730의 Sockpuppuppets of Szm020730.이에 대처해야 할 편집필터가 있지만 업데이트가 필요할 것 같다. -1987- PlyrStar93. 17:46, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
사용자 관련 보고서: Southern ReservantOreca
Southern LegentOreca라는 이름의 사용자는 Koenigseg Agera 기사에 반복적인 정보를 추가하는 것을 지지했고, 그 문제에 대해 토론을 하는 동안, 욕설을 사용했다.U1Quattro (대화) 08:49, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 우리는 대부분의 성인들을 위해 여기 있다; 그것은 "불결한 언어"가 아니다.예의범절의 경계에 있지만 'foul'은 아니다. - 부시 레인저 09:35, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[
- 동의해, 그리고 사람들이 심지어 선의의 편집에 대해 가벼운 모욕감을 느낄 때 그것은 충격적이고 상처를 줄 수 있어.반면에, 이것은 인터넷입니다, 그리고 그것은 인터넷에서 일어나는 일입니다-- 사람들은 짜증을 내고 무례할 수 있습니다,나는 그러한 개인적인 논평이 인신공격이나 비도덕적인 수준으로 올라가더라도 무시하기를 권한다.나는 그 사람을 불러내거나, 미끼를 물거나, 도전에 나서거나, 불을 뿜어내는 것은 문제를 악화시킬 뿐이라는 것을 발견했다.가장 잘 되는 것은 단지 사람들의 짜증스러움이나 무례함을 완전히 무시하고, 대신 그들에게 마지막 말을 하게 하거나, 콘텐츠에 대한 더 많은 논의가 필요할 경우, 내용과 편집에 대해서만 코멘트를 하고, 다른 편집자는 언급도 하지 않고 심지어 "너"라는 단어도 쓰지 않는 것이다.편집자나 행동이 아닌 편집 및 내용에 대해 논의하십시오.이것은 훈육이 필요하지만, 습관화하면 여기서 잘 쓸 수 있을 것이다.미개한 행동은 매우 반복적이고 심각하며 장기적일 경우에만 게시판 신고 수준으로 올라간다.그게 도움이 되길 바래.소프트라벤더 (토크) 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC) 18:53[
- 아주 잘 넣었어. - 부시 레인저One ping only 22:06, 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC)[하라
- 동의해, 그리고 사람들이 심지어 선의의 편집에 대해 가벼운 모욕감을 느낄 때 그것은 충격적이고 상처를 줄 수 있어.반면에, 이것은 인터넷입니다, 그리고 그것은 인터넷에서 일어나는 일입니다-- 사람들은 짜증을 내고 무례할 수 있습니다,나는 그러한 개인적인 논평이 인신공격이나 비도덕적인 수준으로 올라가더라도 무시하기를 권한다.나는 그 사람을 불러내거나, 미끼를 물거나, 도전에 나서거나, 불을 뿜어내는 것은 문제를 악화시킬 뿐이라는 것을 발견했다.가장 잘 되는 것은 단지 사람들의 짜증스러움이나 무례함을 완전히 무시하고, 대신 그들에게 마지막 말을 하게 하거나, 콘텐츠에 대한 더 많은 논의가 필요할 경우, 내용과 편집에 대해서만 코멘트를 하고, 다른 편집자는 언급도 하지 않고 심지어 "너"라는 단어도 쓰지 않는 것이다.편집자나 행동이 아닌 편집 및 내용에 대해 논의하십시오.이것은 훈육이 필요하지만, 습관화하면 여기서 잘 쓸 수 있을 것이다.미개한 행동은 매우 반복적이고 심각하며 장기적일 경우에만 게시판 신고 수준으로 올라간다.그게 도움이 되길 바래.소프트라벤더 (토크) 2017년 12월 31일 (UTC) 18:53[
- 그런데, U1Quatro, 당신의 편집 요약은 존재하지 않거나, 매우 부적절하거나, 매우 오해의 소지가 있다[122].편집 요약을 통해 각 편집 내용을 완전하고 명확하게 설명하십시오.게다가, 당신이 한 코닉세그 아게라에게서 정보를 제거하지 말았어야 했는데, 나는 이제 그것을 복원했다. [123].또한 사용자 대화 페이지가 아닌 기사의 대화 페이지에서 논란의 여지가 있는 변경에 대해 토론하도록 하십시오.소프트라벤더 (대화) 08:56, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
뉴저지 린드허스트의 이상한 활동
| Bb23에 의해 차단된 양말과 무보슈구에 의해 보호되는 페이지. --- 베어크 (토크 • 기여) - 23:34, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
뉴저지 린드허스트의 활동에 대해 좀 더 자세히 알아봐 주었으면 한다(대화 기록 편집으로 로그 보기 링크 삭제 보호).동시에 일어나는 몇 가지 다른 문제들이 있다. 모두 지난 24시간 이내에 시작해서 몇 달 동안 꽤 조용했던 페이지까지; 나는 그것들이 연관되어 있는지, 아니면 우연의 일치인지 모르겠다.
사용자 알렉상초바드(talk · concerns)는 사소한 공공 기물 파손 행위를 감추기 위해 행해진 것으로 보이는 대규모 변경사항을 삽입하고 있다.예를 들어, 복수의 편집에서 해당 지역이 "미합중국"[124][125]의 일부라는 주장을 삽입하거나, 공동체가 "독재적 장소"라는 주장을 삽입하는 것이다[126].
한편, 100.40.186.45(토크 · 기여)와 존더밤(토크 · 기여)과 같은 다른 사용자들은 "K-rad memes" 페이지에 대해서만 소싱하면서 "유튜브의 성격을 "유명인"에 추가하려고 시도해왔다.
이것들 중 하나는 명백한 반달리즘이고, 다른 하나는 위키백과 소싱 요건에 익숙하지 않은 사람에 의한 선의의 편집일 수 있다.나는 이것을 WP에 가져갈 것을 고려했다.RFP. 그러나 거의 동시에 시작되는 두 가지 장애의 비정상적인 타이밍 때문에 추가적인 생각을 위해 여기에 가져가기로 결정했다.--- 베어크 (대화 • 기여) - 20:57, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 참고: 위의 내용을 입력하는 동안 무보슈구(대화·출고)는 3일 동안 페이지를 반보호했다.--- 베어크(대화 • 기여) - 20:59, 2018년 1월 2일(UTC)[
- 참고 #2: 두 계정 모두 이름이 붙은 계정인 것 같고, 세 번째 계정도 이제 모두 체크업자에 의해 삭스푸펫으로 차단되었다; 나는 뭔가 느낌이 좋지 않다는 것을 알고 있었지만, 그것을 예상하지 못했다.모든 계정이 차단되고 페이지가 반보호되었으니 이 스레드는 이제 닫힐 수 있을 것 같다.--- 베어크(토크 • 기여) - 23:34, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
Sonrisas1이 요점을 설명하기 위해 대화 페이지를 방해함
| Checkuser 차단 bb23. --SarekOfVulcan (대화) 16:40, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
소니사스1은 토크:카탈란 독립운동이 슈프리마시즘과 제노포비아를 이끄는 섹션을 열었다.이것은 위키피디아에서 이미 두 번이나 커뮤니티에 의해 거부당한 비주류적인 정치적 견해다.삭제/카탈란 우월주의 및 위키백과에 대한 조항:삭제/초안용 미스셀라니:2017년 11월, 둘 다 카탈로니아 인종 차별주의.그러나 "제안"은 시민(스페인 정당)에서 또 다른 편집자 코드인콘누와의 편집전에만 요점을 두려는 것이 분명해졌는데, 이는 토크에서 특히 고약한 고함전을 동반하고 있다.시민(스페인 정당)#"대체 보기" 섹션.소니사스1은 카탈루냐 독립운동의 '제안'이 다른 기사의 '대안' 부분에 대해서만 요점을 두는 것이라는 사실을 전혀 비밀로 한 적이 없지만, 거듭된 중단 요청에도 불구하고 계속 대담 페이지를 교란하고 있다.
- 그는 2017년 12월 30일 11시 시민 토크 페이지에서 "
카탈로니아에는 민족주의
정당을 '우월주의 정당'으로 묘사한 소식통이 많다
"고 말했다.
대체적인 견해로 볼 수 있을까?
아니라고 대답한다면.
이 섹션은 POV이기 때문에 간다.
16분 뒤인 2017년 12월 30일 11시 16분 그는 토크:카탈란 독립운동에 '초격파·제노포비아' 실을 열었는데,특히 카탈로니아에서 가장
많은표
를 얻은정당이 극우라고 비난하는 시우다다노스[시민] 기사에 '대안적 견해' 섹션이 있다는 점에서 흥미롭다.
- 그의 다음 토크:카탈란 독립 운동:
내 요점은 바로 그것이다.
위키피디아는 비누 상자가 아니다.
고마워
따라서 나는 시우다다노스 기사의 "대안적 견해" 부분을 삭제하는 것을 지지해 줄 것을 부탁하고 싶다.
다음
으로, 네,나는 주장
을 하고 있다.
- 다음으로,
여기 편집자들은 카탈루냐 독립운동에 관한 기사에서 비판에 대한 어떠한 언급도 금하고
있다...
동시에 카탈루냐에서 가장 많은 표를 얻은 정당인 시우다다노스에 대한 기사에는 "대안적 견해"에 대한 섹션이 있다.
- 다음으로
이들 기사에 대한 '비판' 부분이 있어야 하는지, 정책이 무엇
인지, 그전반
에 걸쳐일관성
이 무엇인지에대한 논의다.
- 다음으로는 한
사안을 다른
사안과분리
할 수없다.
문제는 스페인 정당에 관한 기사나 운동(이 기사 포함)에서 야당과 반대 언론의 모든 비난과 비난을 버릴 수 있는 부분이 있어야 하는지 여부인데, 모든 경우에 상당히 극단적이다...
(추가됨) - 그리고 최근,
반독립 정당
에 관한기사에는 비판적인 섹션
이 꽤많이 포함되어 있기
때문에,그들
이 매우빈약하고 근원이 매우 약한 파시스트라고 비난
하고 있기 때문에, 필자는 다음과 같은
출처를바탕으로 여기에서 "비판" 섹션을 가질 것을 제안한다.
"소스"는 모두 당파적인 스페인 뉴스 조직의 의견 조각이며, 손리사스1은 이러한 종류의 콘텐츠에 대한 신뢰할 수 있는 출처가 아니라는 것을 알고 있다. - 토론 내내 손리사스1은 자신의 장점에 대해 새로운 부문을 추가하자고 주장해 본 적이 없다.
나는 손리사스의 관심을 WP에 가져왔다.포인트가 그에게 여기, 여기, 그리고 그의 토크 페이지에서 그의 혼란을 멈춰달라고 부탁했다.나는 또한 그가 중앙집권적인 토론을 할 수 있는 대안 페이지들을 제안했고, 시민들에게 RfC를 시작하는 방법에 대한 지침을 그에게 제시했으며(스페인 정당), 심지어 그가 원한다면 직접 시작하겠다고 제안하기도 했다.그는 RfC를 시작하지는 않았지만 "이 단계에서의 이 방법은 코멘트를 요청하는 것이다"라는 이유로 DRN에 참여를 거절했다.나의 도움의 손길이 그로 하여금 Talk:Catalan 독립운동의 POSTY 캠페인을 확대하게 만들었을 뿐이다(위의 최근 편집본 참조).
손리사스가 편집한 모든 것 - 기사와 토크 페이지 - 는 카탈로니아에서의 현재의 위기와 관련이 있다.그들은 모두 고도의 정치적, 전투적, 빈번한 폭언이다.그는 NPOV와 RS 같은 핵심 정책을 전혀 이해하지 못하는 것 같다.그는 최근에 편집-워링의 블록을 가지고 있었다.그가 백과사전을 짓기 위해 이곳에 오지 않았다는 심각한 의혹이 있을 것이다. --스콜라레 (대화) 11시 50분, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
겉보기 IP 반달 및/또는 양말이 되돌아옴
| 청소했다. - 부시레인저 18:54, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
184.147.29.185(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)는 며칠 전에 차단되었다가 다시 같은 편집으로 돌아왔다.동일한 처리와 대량 롤백이 필요할 수 있음.라벤스파이어 (토크) 2018년 1월 3일 17시 15분 (UTC)[
- 완료. --NeilNtalk to me 17:19, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
비올리스1986
| 처리했다. - 부시 레인저 18:54, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
비뇨기1986은 단지 세 번의 수정을 했을 뿐이다.첫 번째(2017년)는 REVDEL'd이다.오늘 만들어진 나머지 두 명은 REVDEL 후보일 수도 있다.비이벤트인을 "그녀"라고 부름으로써, 그들은 또한 임의의 제재 영역으로 걸어 들어갔다.
그들은 최근 CleverBot으로부터 경고를 받았지만, 그들이 하고 있는 편집이 용납될 수 없다는 것을 알기 위해 경고가 필요하지 않다.
고마워. --ChiveFungi (토크) 18:32, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 매력적이다.외설 및 편집. --NeilN 18:36, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
위키백과:장기학대/사망 반달 원인
| NeilN이 처리했다.상각(T)(C) 21:00, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
위 내용은 사람들에게 불필요하고 부정확한 변경사항을 삽입하는 것을 차단한 오랜 역사를 가지고 있는 위키백과:장기간의 학대/사망자 반달은 영국(Bradford/Leeds)의 같은 지역에서 81.136.38.217(대화 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)로 재표현되었으며, 이 변경사항은 현재 다양한 편집자들에 의해 삭제되었다.명백한 통상적인 차단 회피.고마워, 데이비드 J 존슨 (토크) 20:15, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 차단됨. --NeilNtalk to me 20:32, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
사용자:보슬리 존 보슬리
| ANI에서 ANI에 대한 보고를 받게 된 공격을 반복하는 것이 자신을 차단할 수 있는 더 좋은 방법 중 하나이다. - 부시 레인저 21:10, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라 |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
권한 없는 관리자가 사용자에 의해 발생할 수 있는 잠재적인 개인 공격을 평가하게 할 수 있는가?보슬리 존 보슬리?여기와 여기의 편집 요약뿐만 아니라 여기의 편집도 인신공격으로 해석될 수 있다.감사합니다, -- Tavix 20:24, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 고마워, 타빅스.직접 그런 부탁을 하러 왔다.나는 정말로 "인종차별주의자"를 인신공격으로 받아들인다.나는 또한 보슬리 존 보슬리가 에세이에 관한 정보를 바꾸기 위해 1인 운동을 벌이고 있는 것 같다는 것을 언급하고 싶다.소수의견을 갖는 것은 문제될 것이 없다.나도 좀 있어.하지만 이 공동체의 성공적인 구성원이 되기 위해서는 언제 하는지 이해하고 그에 따라 행동해야 해. 변형 장애 BodyDysmorphicDisorder이다(대화)20:28, 2018년 1월 3일(CoordinatedUniversalTime)[응답하라].
- 그렇다, "라스시스트 건"[sic]은 아마도 인신공격으로 해석되어야 할 것이지만, 나는 이 시점에서 그것이 학대 패턴의 일부라고는 보지 않는다.경고로 충분했으면 좋겠는데.아마도 더 큰 문제는 그들이 애초에 클라마트버랜딩을 창조했다는 것이다.여기서 참고문헌으로 사용하는 것이 선의라면 에세이에 구멍이 뚫린 것 같다, IMO. 비록 4자를 추가해서 용어 주위에서 위키링크를 만드는 것은 사용자가 에세이를 편집하는 중에만 편집하고 편집하는 것이기 때문에 IMO를 만들려는 것일 가능성이 더 높아 보인다.a WP:POINT. 여기서 몇 가지 논의가 진행 중이다.이반벡터 (/)TalkEdits 20:46, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
필터 로그에서 무슨 일이 일어나고 있는가? 스팸봇?
누군가 1.2초마다 加扣⑥⑥⑤⑨⑨⑨中中中中中中中中中中中中中中中中中中中 account name name name name name name name name name name name의 이름으로 계정을 만들려고 하고 있다, 필터 로그[127]를 참조한다.토네이도 추적자 (토크) 16:26, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 나는 이것이 일종의 스캠봇이라고 의심하고, 비상 대책으로 필터를 작동시켰다.그것은 이미 통장 한 무더기를 만들었다.필터가 한도를 넘어서는 경계가므로 나보다 더 유능한 사람이 이것을 타이틀 블랙리스트에 올릴 수 있다면 감사하겠다. --zuzz 16:31, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 나는 반달리즘 토네이도 추격자 (토크) 17:00, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC]를 할 때 스팸봇 잡동사니를 둘러보기 위해 여기 비슷한 필터를 만들었다.
- 이들 계정이 동일한 IP 또는 IP 범위를 사용하는가?필터가 터지면 레인지의 하드블록이 그 목적에 도움이 될 수 있을 것이다.(아마도 같은 IP의 경우 하루에 6개의 신규 계정 한도가 있어야 하지만, 같은 레인지의 경우 레인지 블록이 여전히 작동될 수 있다) -1987-플라이스타93. 17:17, 2018년 1월 1일(UTC)[
- QQ 번호나 이와 비슷한 인코딩이 되어있어서 QQ 번호를 숫자로만 감지할 수 있을 겁니다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 19:23, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 글로벌 제목 블랙리스트에 문자열이 추가됨: meta:특수:Diff/17591324. -1980-PlyrStar93.→Message me. ← 20:02, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[하라
- 나는 이것에 대해 전혀 알지 못하므로, 순진한 질문일 수도 있는 것을 용서하십시오: 만들어진 모든 계정들이 끈덕지게 차단되어야 하는가?비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 20:03, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 이미 전체적으로 잠겨 있어야 함.누락된 계정이 있으면 언제든지 메타에서 잠금을 요청하십시오. -1987-PlyrStar93.→Message me. ← 20:04, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[하라
- 나는 이것에 대해 전혀 알지 못하므로, 순진한 질문일 수도 있는 것을 용서하십시오: 만들어진 모든 계정들이 끈덕지게 차단되어야 하는가?비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 20:03, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 글로벌 제목 블랙리스트에 문자열이 추가됨: meta:특수:Diff/17591324. -1980-PlyrStar93.→Message me. ← 20:02, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[하라
- 글로벌 블랙리스트에 이들을 막아야 할 끈을 추가했는데, 그게 막지 못하고 있다.내 리겔스가 좀 녹슬어서 아마 두 가지 첨가물 중 하나가 잘못되었을 것이다(여기 참조).현지 블랙리스트에 해당 문자열을 추가해 즉각적인 효과가 있는지 확인할 수 있다. -- Ajraddatz (대화) 20:10, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 아그라다츠 고마워그 시기를 완전히 이해하지는 못하지만, 20시 11분 현재 계좌가 정지된 것 같다.4시간 동안 4000회만 시도. --zzuzz(talk) 20:26, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 완전히 틀릴 수도 있지만, 글로벌 블랙리스트에 항목을 추가할 때 현지 위키에는 캐시가 몇 개 있어서 발효하는 데 몇 분 정도 걸릴까? -1987-플라이스타93. 20:28, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 아그라다츠 고마워그 시기를 완전히 이해하지는 못하지만, 20시 11분 현재 계좌가 정지된 것 같다.4시간 동안 4000회만 시도. --zzuzz(talk) 20:26, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
모하마드 빈 살만
익명의 편집자/편집자(다른 ips, 아마도 같은 사람)가 모하마드 빈 살만 기사에서 기본 정보를 계속 바꾸고 있다.IP 편집에 하루나 이틀 정도 잠가둘까?PaulCHebert (대화) 00:44, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 어제부터 4배씩 해왔는데 매번 다른 IPv6 주소에서, 레인지 블록을 사용하기엔 너무 넓어 보이지만 아마 그런 것에 대해 더 잘 아는 사람이 다른 말을 할 것이다.나는 세미(semi)가 적당하다고 생각한다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 01:46, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- @PaulCHebert and Mendaliv:IP가 생년월일을 엉망으로 만들고 있다.문제는 "국방장관과 1985년생인 모하메드 빈 살만 빈 압둘 아지즈 왕세자는 새 정부 최연소 장관으로, '위키피디아'라는 사이트와 달리 1980년생으로 일부 외국신문들이 이를 번역하고 있다.그는 35세라고 말했다.그곳에는 월/일이 없다. --닐Ntalk to me 01:58, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
Talk에서 관리자 안목을 사용할 수 있음:세스 리치 살인 사건
| 원본 요청 처리된 --NeilN 15:03, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
특별 참조:기여금/2600:800:1800:E970:8AC:B8DA:F739:5508. IP는 대화 중 "탈락이 아니다!"라는 불평을 더 많이 쏟아내고, 이를 다시 편집해 들어갔다.ᛗᛁᛚᚾᚱᚱᚱᚱants팬츠 다 말해줘. 21:52, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
(ANI가 보호되며, WT에 대한 요청에서 코멘트를 이동:AN. --Floquenbeam (대화) 22:19, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)
내가 세스 리치 토크 페이지에 언급했듯이, 열거된 참고문헌은 사법당국이 음모론을 폭로했다는 것을 보여주지 않았다.분명히 이 진술은 너를 화나게 한다, 나는 왜 그런지 모르겠다.경찰은 이 주장들이 근거가 없다고 말했다.그것은 이러한 주장을 뒷받침할 증거가 없다는 것을 의미한다.디블렛은 사실이 아니라는 것을 의미한다.아무도 왜 세스 리치가 살해되었는지 모른다.하지만 위키피디아는 여기의 기사가 그것을 반영하는 것에 신경 쓰지 않는다.2600:800:1800:E970:8AC:B8DA:F739:5508 (대화) 22:00, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- AN/I는 행동 문제에 대한 논의를 위한 것이지 내용 분쟁의 결정을 위한 것이 아니므로, 여기서 계속 내용 요점을 만들지 말고 기사 토크 페이지에 기재하십시오.그리고, 우연히, "사실을 밝히는 것"은 "거짓임을 증명하는 것"을 의미하는 것이 아니라, "신화, 사상 또는 믿음의 거짓이나 공허함을 보여주는 것"을 의미한다.이 세상에는 거짓을 증명하는 것이 거의 불가능한 많은 것들이 있지만, 뒷받침할 만한 증거가 없는 것으로 드러난 주장은 실제로 "실각"되었다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 23:11, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 항상 알고 싶었는데...내가 뭔가 증거적 근거가 있다는 걸 증명한다면, 내가 그걸 망치고 있는 건가?EENG 23:13, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- "debunk"는 "back out"을 의미한다.[129] ←베이스볼 버그스카르당What's up, Doc?→ 23:31, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 응, 우리 대학 기숙사 친구가 관리실에 부탁해서 침대를 정리하라고 한 적이 있어.그들은 침대가 그 후에도 그대로 남아 있다는 증거가 충분하다는 점을 고려해 별로 좋은 일을 하지 못했다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 23:50, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 음, 누가 애초에 거기 침대를 놓았지?EENG 23:52, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 인정한다...나였다.그리고 만약 네가 애들을 참견하지 않았다면, 난 그렇게 할 수 있었을 거야.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it.00:03, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- 음, 누가 애초에 거기 침대를 놓았지?EENG 23:52, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 응, 우리 대학 기숙사 친구가 관리실에 부탁해서 침대를 정리하라고 한 적이 있어.그들은 침대가 그 후에도 그대로 남아 있다는 증거가 충분하다는 점을 고려해 별로 좋은 일을 하지 못했다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 23:50, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- "debunk"는 "back out"을 의미한다.[129] ←베이스볼 버그스카르당What's up, Doc?→ 23:31, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 항상 알고 싶었는데...내가 뭔가 증거적 근거가 있다는 걸 증명한다면, 내가 그걸 망치고 있는 건가?EENG 23:13, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- (벙컴을 빼기 위해서?)나도 모르게 글과 토크를 관찰하고 있다.12월 27일 IP 2600:800:1800:e970:c49e:af82:db7e:7de0에서 같은 사람이 노골적으로 편집전을 벌인 탓이라는 점에 유의한다.그것은 꽤 파괴적이었고, 48시간 블록을 벌어들였다.이제 그들은 두 개의 다른 IP, 2600:800:1800:E970:2433:B3을 사용하고 있다.F1:6391:92F6과 2600:8800:1800:e970:8ac:b8da:f739:5508은 닫힌 토론을 편집하고 페이지를 비누상자로 사용함으로써 대신 토크 페이지를 교란시키기 위해.IP가 계속 바뀌는 것은 사용자의 잘못이 아니지만, 사실은, 세 개의 IP가 모두 동일한 사람을 대표한다는 점에 유의하십시오.내가 방금 경고했어 만약 그들이 계속 대화를 방해한다면:세스 리치의 살인, 내가 2600:8800:1800:E970:::/64 범위의 IP를 차단할 테니, 그것도 몇 개만이 아니라 - 바라건대 그것을 처리할 수 있을 것이다.비쇼넨탈크 23:40, 2018년 1월 2일(UTC)
- 그래, "벙컴[분콤비]을 꺼내기 위해"정치인 자신이 무관하게 된 지 오래돼 한 정치인의 말이 기억된 사례 중 하나이다.【베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→ 23:52, 2018년 1월 2일(UTC)[
- 내가 오늘 배운 것 목록에 그것을 추가해라.열차talk 00:01, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 사실 나도 그래.누가 위키피디아가 교육적이지 않다고 하는가?:) 【베이스볼 버그스카라믹스What's up, Doc?→ 00:06】, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 흥미롭게도 (어쨌든) "나쁘다" 또는 "무공로"의 속어로 "벙크"가 수세기나 된 지금도 여전히 사용되고 있다는 사실이다.며칠 전 몇몇 십대들이 랩 노래에 대해 불평하는 것을 우연히 들었는데, 나는 랩 노래를 한 번 이상 사용해 본 적이 있다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it.00:09, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- "인간 벌레"의 사촌 같은 존재로, "사기"를 의미하며 오늘날에는 크리스마스 캐롤의 재독본과 오즈의 마법사에 나오는 것 외에는 거의 들리지 않는다.『야구 벅스 당근→ 00:25, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)』[
- 호그워시!나는 그 단어를 끊임없이 사용한다.석유 증류액으로 운송수단을 채우고 타이어를 재설탕하고 폐처리 후...나구알디자인 00:51, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)
- 하지만, "벙크"의 사용은 어떤 고정된 게임을 언급하기 위해 번코를 사용하는 것만큼이나 쉽게 파생될 수 있다는 것을 명심하고, 그리고 나중에 사기를 치는 것으로도 이어질 수 있다.—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 00:32, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 아마도 "bunk"라는 단어의 가장 유명한 용어는 "역사는 back"이라는 문구에 있을 것이다. "역사는 back"은 실제로 "back"이라고 말한 Henry Ford가 기인한 것이다.포드는 1차 세계대전을 일으킨 지도자들은 많은 역사를 알고 있었지만 결국 전쟁을 시작하게 되었다고 지적했다.포드도 거기에 일리가 있었지만, 그의 다른 생각들 중 많은 것들이 완전히 엉망이었다.그래도 멋진 자동차 회사야.'세스 리치의 살인사건' 기사는 그 주변에서 자란 침대와 그 침대 주변에서 자란 디컴블링에 관한 기사보다 그 살인사건의 역사가 덜 된 것 같다. Anythingyyouwant (대화) 01:11, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- 이런 토론이 내가 이곳을 좋아하는 이유 중 하나야.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 01:40, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 이런 토론은 내가 예거 한 십여 잔을 원하게 만든다.나는 현대 저널리즘의 폐허에서 벗어나기 위해 온 것이지 포용하기 위해 온 것이 아니다.IDegon(대화) 05:12, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)
- 현대 저널리즘은 쓰레기장이 아니고, 현대 정치는; 저널리즘(적어도 진짜 저널리즘)은 쓰레기장의 쓰레기들에 대해 단지 보도만 할 뿐, 그들은 그것을 거기에 두지 않았다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 06:53, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 하, 사람들은 더 이상 변호사에게 화내지 않아.[grins in lawyes] - —/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 07:16, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)
- 분코 스쿼드는 사기 수사 경찰대(그리고 1950년 TV쇼)이다.네오랑쥬 (대화) 07:36, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- "분코"는 5학년 때 나의 애완 거북이 이름이기도 했다.솔직히 말하면, 그는 그 일로 가득 차 있었다.그가 한 말은 한 마디도 믿을 수 없었다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- 그리고 폴 매카트니의 '할아버지' 윌프리드 브램벨이 카지노에 가서 바카라트를 치자 제대로 된 '방코!' 대신 '빙고!'를 외친다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 20:05, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 더 나아가서, 1950년대에 시카고 컵스는 잠시 동안 어니 뱅크스를, 진 베이커를 2위로, 스티브 빌코를 더블 플레이 콤비네이션으로, 컵스 아나운서 버트 윌슨이 "빙고 투 뱅고 투 빌코"라고 불렀다.【베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→14:57, 2018년 1월 4일(UTC)[
- 나와 나의 큰 입.EENG 15:01, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 더 나아가서, 1950년대에 시카고 컵스는 잠시 동안 어니 뱅크스를, 진 베이커를 2위로, 스티브 빌코를 더블 플레이 콤비네이션으로, 컵스 아나운서 버트 윌슨이 "빙고 투 뱅고 투 빌코"라고 불렀다.【베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→14:57, 2018년 1월 4일(UTC)[
- 그리고 폴 매카트니의 '할아버지' 윌프리드 브램벨이 카지노에 가서 바카라트를 치자 제대로 된 '방코!' 대신 '빙고!'를 외친다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 20:05, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- "분코"는 5학년 때 나의 애완 거북이 이름이기도 했다.솔직히 말하면, 그는 그 일로 가득 차 있었다.그가 한 말은 한 마디도 믿을 수 없었다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- 분코 스쿼드는 사기 수사 경찰대(그리고 1950년 TV쇼)이다.네오랑쥬 (대화) 07:36, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- 하, 사람들은 더 이상 변호사에게 화내지 않아.[grins in lawyes] - —/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 07:16, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)
- 현대 저널리즘은 쓰레기장이 아니고, 현대 정치는; 저널리즘(적어도 진짜 저널리즘)은 쓰레기장의 쓰레기들에 대해 단지 보도만 할 뿐, 그들은 그것을 거기에 두지 않았다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 06:53, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 이런 토론은 내가 예거 한 십여 잔을 원하게 만든다.나는 현대 저널리즘의 폐허에서 벗어나기 위해 온 것이지 포용하기 위해 온 것이 아니다.IDegon(대화) 05:12, 2018년 1월 3일(UTC)
- 이런 토론이 내가 이곳을 좋아하는 이유 중 하나야.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 01:40, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 아마도 "bunk"라는 단어의 가장 유명한 용어는 "역사는 back"이라는 문구에 있을 것이다. "역사는 back"은 실제로 "back"이라고 말한 Henry Ford가 기인한 것이다.포드는 1차 세계대전을 일으킨 지도자들은 많은 역사를 알고 있었지만 결국 전쟁을 시작하게 되었다고 지적했다.포드도 거기에 일리가 있었지만, 그의 다른 생각들 중 많은 것들이 완전히 엉망이었다.그래도 멋진 자동차 회사야.'세스 리치의 살인사건' 기사는 그 주변에서 자란 침대와 그 침대 주변에서 자란 디컴블링에 관한 기사보다 그 살인사건의 역사가 덜 된 것 같다. Anythingyyouwant (대화) 01:11, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- 흥미롭게도 (어쨌든) "나쁘다" 또는 "무공로"의 속어로 "벙크"가 수세기나 된 지금도 여전히 사용되고 있다는 사실이다.며칠 전 몇몇 십대들이 랩 노래에 대해 불평하는 것을 우연히 들었는데, 나는 랩 노래를 한 번 이상 사용해 본 적이 있다.ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it.00:09, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[하라
- 사실 나도 그래.누가 위키피디아가 교육적이지 않다고 하는가?:) 【베이스볼 버그스카라믹스What's up, Doc?→ 00:06】, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
- 내가 오늘 배운 것 목록에 그것을 추가해라.열차talk 00:01, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)
- 그래, "벙컴[분콤비]을 꺼내기 위해"정치인 자신이 무관하게 된 지 오래돼 한 정치인의 말이 기억된 사례 중 하나이다.【베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?】→ 23:52, 2018년 1월 2일(UTC)[
부정확한 사이트 통지
우리는 현재 Wikimania 2018과 연결되었지만 실제로 2017년과 연결되는 잘못된 사이트 통지를 가지고 있다.나는 그것을 스스로 해결하려고 노력하겠지만 지금은 매우 제한적인 모바일 장치에 있다.ϣereSpielCequers 10:42, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 어디서 그런 걸 보는 거야?【베이스볼 버그스카라스틱What's up, Doc?→ 10시 45분, 2018년 1월 2일(UTC)】[
- WSC가 이 공지 Meta를 참조하고 있는 것 같다.특수:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/wm2018 Scholarcfp.이 링크를 사용하여 미리 보기를 볼 수 있다[131].내가 알 수 있는 한 통지서 자체는 아마 맞을 것이다.제대로 업데이트되지 않은 장학금 신청 페이지 입니다 [132].사진을 포함한 윗부분에는 위키마니아 2017의 날짜와 장소, 이름이 언급된다.그리고 그 막바지에 2016년 FAQ에 대한 링크가 있다.나중에, 어플리케이션 자체에서 "Wikimania 2016의 올해" 그리고 그것은 또한 [133]에 대한 링크를 포함하고 있기 때문에 오타가 아닐 것이라고 추측한다.그런 다음 "Wikimania 2018에 장학금을 지원하고자 하는 지역 장/다른 운동 조직에 신청하려고 하는가"와 "Wikimania 2018의 주제는 표현되지 않은 목소리를 지원하고 우리 운동의 지식 격차를 메우는 데 초점을 맞추고 있다"가 마지막에 있다.그래서 페이지 부분은 2017년 이후 업데이트되지 않았고, 부분은 2016년 이후 업데이트되지 않았고, 부분은 2018년 업데이트되었다.2018년 장학금 신청 양식을 사용한다면, 매우 혼란스러울 겁니다.하지만 이곳이 그것에 대해 논의하기에 가장 좋은 장소는 아닐 것이다.닐 아인(토크) 13:41, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
스팸 봇 계정 대량 생성
AIV의 이 보고서는 이 편집 필터 보고서에 대한 Edgar181의 링크와 결합되어, 악의적인 목적으로 영어 이외의 기호를 사용하여 여러 개의 계정이 생성되고 있음을 시사한다.나는 여기서 무엇을 할 수 있는지, 무엇을 해야 하는지 잘 모르겠다.이것은 좀 더 기술에 정통한 편집자/관리자들에게 문제가 될 수 있다.[주: 분명한 이유로 나는 ANI 공지사항을 모든 계정에 게시하지 않을 것이다.] -Ad Orientem (대화) 16:52, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- Ad Orientem 어제 Stewards와 이것에 대해 긴 논의가 있었다(그리고 메타 어딘가에).전 세계적으로 블랙리스트가 업데이트됐지만 매일 패턴을 바꾸기 때문에 다시 통과하기 시작할 것 같다.크리시마드(ChRISSYMAD) 2018년 1월 2일(UTC) 16:54[하라
사용자가 물품 소유권을 가정함
여보세요. 사용자가 라트비아와 관련된 전쟁 목록[136]의 소유권을 주장하고 있다.기사토크 페이지와 사용자토크 페이지에서 어떻게 기사를 개선할 수 있는지에 대한 제안을 논의하기 위해 그들을 초청한 후다.나는 이 상황에서 한 걸음 물러선다.Talk/♥ĩłłω\\Work22:21, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 푸지온의 토크 페이지에 메모를 남겼다.닌자로봇피리테 (토크) 06:21, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 노트는 걸리지 않았다.24시간 차단.내 질문에 대한 답변을 기대하며. --NeilN 23:19, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
AFD
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
관리자가 이 AfD 위키피디아를 닫을 수 있을까?삭제/누르자이디 부나리 기사님, 이미 삭제하셨습니다. 고마워!흐흐흐흐흐흐(대화) 13:11, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[하라
이걸 어떻게 생각해야 할지 모르겠어
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
LED 미술의 최근 역사(오늘 15시 30분 UTC 개정 818611384 이후)를 누군가 확인해 주시겠습니까?이것은 양말 농장이 자동 확인되기 위해 편집 수를 늘리기 위한 시초로 보인다.이것은 위키피디아가 단념해야 할 것인가?위키단61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:41, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 이미 처리되었다.또한, SPI는 파일을 작성했다(Wikipedia:Sockpuppet 조사/16분 전.위키단61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:48, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 그래, 전부 차단됐어보고해줘서 고마워. --NeilN 15:50, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
Revdel 요청
| 처리했다.상각(T)(C) 21:55, 2018년 1월 4일(UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
불쾌한 편집 요약.[137. 새벽시커2000 21:39, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 완료. --NeilN 21:42, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC
구르네일라브스44와 제프 데이비스
| 두 개야!2 in def!아 아 아! - 부시레인저 04:25, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[하라 |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
사용자:Gurneyslaves44는 VOA로 보이며, 지금까지 4차례 편집[138][139][140][141].사용자:제프 데이비스가 지금까지 유일하게 편집한 것은 구르네슬라브스44의 토크 페이지에 대한 이[142] 편집이었는데, 이것은 공공 기물 파손 경고나 위협으로 해석될 수 있다.두 사용자에게 모두 알렸지만 ANI가 보호되고 있는 토네이도 추적자(토크) 22:41, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[] 때문에 응답하지 못할 것이다
- 흥미로운 점은 두 계정이 16분 간격으로 생성되었다는 것이다.Gurneyslaves44가 여기서 배포한 마지막 편집(Norwich)은 WP의 실패를 강력히 시사한다.ARCHNAME 사용자 이름 정책.이반벡터 (/)TalkEdits 23:10, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- Gurneyslaves44 사용자 이름이 변명을 막았다.제프 데이비스는 이 편집이 필터에 잡혔는데, 이 필터는 그들이 여기 그들의 친구와 게임을 하러 온 것을 암시한다.또 막힘. --NeilN 23:27, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
법적위협
| 직장에서 벤슨은 알렉스 시에게 막혔다.이에 따라 차단된 이용자의 잇따른 법적 조치 위협으로 인해 잘 차단된 것이라는 데 의견이 모아지고 있다.IDegon 출신 John (토크) 08:46, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)(비관리자 폐쇄)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
위키백과 참조:헬프 데스크#곱셈표 패턴 섹션은 미국에서 나의 저작권 및 IP를 침해한다.위키백과의 명백한 위반:직장에서 벤슨의 법적 위협은 없었다.요셉2302 (대화) 20:08, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 이 차이점을 언급하면서, 나는 특히 텍스트 벽의 끝에서, "마지막이지만 중요한 것은 아니지만, 내가 나의 변호사에게 당신에게 연락을 요청할 수 있도록 연락처 정보를 제공해주길 바란다. 고맙다"고? >시리얼 넘버54129...speculates 20:12, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 지원 차단 - 차단을 철회하고 위협을 중지할 경우 차단을 해제하는 데 반대하지 마십시오.–Davey2010Talk 20:21, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 사용자가 불필요하게 차단됨:알렉스 시, 하지만 이용자는 여기에 친구가 없기 때문에, 이번에는 소란이 일어나지 않을 거라고 생각해.나는 그의 토크 페이지에 있는 사람처럼 행동하도록 노력할 것이다. --플로켄빔 (대화) 20:42, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 불필요한 것은 없었다. - 그들은 협박을 해서 차단당했다. –Davey2010Talk 20:45, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 훌륭한 양이 될 겁니다. --플로켄밤 (토크) 20:48, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- (충돌 편집)Floquenbeam. 어떻게 불필요한가?변호사들을 참여시키겠다고 협박을 했는데, 이는 명백한 법적 위협이다.그리고 그들은 여전히 여기서 그것을 하고 있다.그리고 그들은 이미 저작권의 주장과 관련하여 위키와 연락할 수 있는 적절한 방법에 대한 조언을 받았다.요셉2302 (대화)20:50, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 위키백과:법적 위협 없음#복사권. --Floquenbeam (대화) 20:53, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 단순히 어떤 것이 저작권 침해일 수 있다고 말하는 것은, 나는 동의한다, 법적 위협이 아니다.하지만 그것이 그들이 차단된 이유가 아니다; 그들은 그들의 변호사를 참여시키겠다고 협박했다는 이유로 봉쇄되었다, 그것은 법적인 위협이다.스카이워리어 20:56, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 클래식, 자신의 행동이 의심스러운 곳에 실을 감는다.진정한 고전적인 WP 행동.거북이가 아니라 쭉 벽돌담. --플로퀸밤(토크) 21:03, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 나는 한 블록을 지지하는 것은 완전히 의심스러운 행동이며, 따라서 나는 교수형에 처해지고, 그려지고, 사분오열되어야 한다는 것에 동의한다. 어떻게 내가 명백한 법적 위협의 한 블록을 지지하는 나쁜 편집자인지에 대해 여기서 자유롭게 새로운 요청을 시작하라.–Davey2010Talk 21:09, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:직장에서 벤슨 태닝은 그의 방어벽에 대항하는 방법을 아는가?아니면 그냥 변호사한테 가서 물어봐야 할까?마르티네반스123 (대화) 21:16, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 플로크는 친절하게도 손을 뻗어 이 언블럭에 이의를 제기하는 방법과 벤슨 탄의 토크 페이지에 있는 그의 저작권의 침해 가능성을 설명할 수 있었다.RickinBaltimore (대화) 21:20, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 사용자:직장에서 벤슨 태닝은 그의 방어벽에 대항하는 방법을 아는가?아니면 그냥 변호사한테 가서 물어봐야 할까?마르티네반스123 (대화) 21:16, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 나는 한 블록을 지지하는 것은 완전히 의심스러운 행동이며, 따라서 나는 교수형에 처해지고, 그려지고, 사분오열되어야 한다는 것에 동의한다. 어떻게 내가 명백한 법적 위협의 한 블록을 지지하는 나쁜 편집자인지에 대해 여기서 자유롭게 새로운 요청을 시작하라.–Davey2010Talk 21:09, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 클래식, 자신의 행동이 의심스러운 곳에 실을 감는다.진정한 고전적인 WP 행동.거북이가 아니라 쭉 벽돌담. --플로퀸밤(토크) 21:03, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 단순히 어떤 것이 저작권 침해일 수 있다고 말하는 것은, 나는 동의한다, 법적 위협이 아니다.하지만 그것이 그들이 차단된 이유가 아니다; 그들은 그들의 변호사를 참여시키겠다고 협박했다는 이유로 봉쇄되었다, 그것은 법적인 위협이다.스카이워리어 20:56, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 위키백과:법적 위협 없음#복사권. --Floquenbeam (대화) 20:53, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- (충돌 편집)Floquenbeam. 어떻게 불필요한가?변호사들을 참여시키겠다고 협박을 했는데, 이는 명백한 법적 위협이다.그리고 그들은 여전히 여기서 그것을 하고 있다.그리고 그들은 이미 저작권의 주장과 관련하여 위키와 연락할 수 있는 적절한 방법에 대한 조언을 받았다.요셉2302 (대화)20:50, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 훌륭한 양이 될 겁니다. --플로켄밤 (토크) 20:48, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 불필요한 것은 없었다. - 그들은 협박을 해서 차단당했다. –Davey2010Talk 20:45, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
세상에, 플로크, 예의바르고 예의바르게 들리는군.여긴 왜 오는 거야?음, "위키피디아에는 나름의 규칙이 있겠지만, 내가 알기로는 여전히
미국 법에 맞아야
한다"
- 그건 엄청나게 위협적인 발언인가 아니면 그냥 명백한 사실인가?마르티네반스123 (대화) 21:26, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[하라
- 그 블록은 지금 도전받고 있는가?그것은 분명히 좋은 NLT 블록이다.그들은 단지 변호사들에게 그들의 저작권을 강요하도록 위협하고 있는 것이 아니다. 그들은 그들로부터 돈을 받는 이익을 위해 특정 사용자에 대해 어떻게 법적 조치를 취할 것인지에 대해 명시적으로 물었다.그들은 지금 그들의 토크 페이지에서 몇몇 사용자들에 의해 회자되고 있지만, 그 접속도 거의 취소될 뻔 했다.이반벡터 (/)TalkEdits 21:45, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
법적 위협에 대한 어떤 차단도 어떻게 "필요하다"고 정확하게 묘사될 수 있는지 모르겠다. 좋은 생각일 수도 있지만, 필요한 생각일 수도 있다.정확히 무엇을 위해 필요한가?폴 어거스트 ▷인터뷰 21:40, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 실제 블록과는 무관하지만, 그 방법 도표는 20여 년 전에 내가 가르치기 시작하면서 알려졌는데, 수학적 방법이 실제로 특허를 받을 수 있을지 매우 의심스럽다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 22:26, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 미국 특허청이 당신 의견에 동의하는 것 같다.쉐어닝코버는 특허 출원이 받아들여지지 않았다고 말했다.이반벡터 (/)TalkEdits 23:05, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 그럼 우리 모두 이 사건에서 법적 조치가 불가능하다는 것에 동의할 수 있는 겁니까?편집자가 다소 잘못 알고 있다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 23:09, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 실행가능하지 않은 법적 위협에 어떻게 대처하는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 한편으로 편집자가 한 유일한 메인 스페이스 편집은 어쨌든 기사에 실린 "폭행" 항목을 삭제하는 일이기 때문에 NLT인지 아닌지에 너무 많은 시간을 할애할 필요는 없다고 생각한다.만약 편집자가 차단되지 않는다면, 그들은 긍정적인 것을 제공할 것인가?블랙 카이트 (토크) 23:56, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 나는 법적 위협의 실행 가능성이 우리의 관심사가 되어야 한다고 생각하지 않는다. 왜냐하면 그것은 그 신뢰도를 평가하기 위해서 우리 모두가 변호사가 되어야 하기 때문이다.법적 위협의 중요한 점, 그리고 왜 그것들을 간과해서는 안 되는가는 다른 편집자들 사이에서 오싹한 효과를 만들어 내는 그들의 능력인데, 이것은 백과사전의 개선에 해롭다.물론 법적 위협을 간과하지 않는 것이 반드시 가시적 차단을 의미하는 것은 아니다: WP:DOLT는 먼저 편집자에게 상황을 설명하고 위협을 철회할 수 있는 합리적인 기회를 주는 것이 최적의 행동 방침인 것 같다고 제안한다.만약 편집자가 거절하거나 두 배로 줄인다면, 블록은 확실히 요청된다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 01:29, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- 실행가능하지 않은 법적 위협에 어떻게 대처하는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 한편으로 편집자가 한 유일한 메인 스페이스 편집은 어쨌든 기사에 실린 "폭행" 항목을 삭제하는 일이기 때문에 NLT인지 아닌지에 너무 많은 시간을 할애할 필요는 없다고 생각한다.만약 편집자가 차단되지 않는다면, 그들은 긍정적인 것을 제공할 것인가?블랙 카이트 (토크) 23:56, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 그럼 우리 모두 이 사건에서 법적 조치가 불가능하다는 것에 동의할 수 있는 겁니까?편집자가 다소 잘못 알고 있다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 23:09, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 미국 특허청이 당신 의견에 동의하는 것 같다.쉐어닝코버는 특허 출원이 받아들여지지 않았다고 말했다.이반벡터 (/)TalkEdits 23:05, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
부메랑 얘기 좀 해봐!
나는 요셉2302가 위협을 시작하는데 차단되어야 한다고 생각한다 [144].EEng 06:52, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC) P.S. 사람들이 단 한 방울에도 모두가 기겁하는 대신 법적 상황에 대해 생각하기 시작하는 것을 보니 기쁘다.(이 특정 블록에 대한 입장을 취하지 않는 것)
- 난 네가 이 일에 좋은 트라우마를 가질 자격이 있는지 없는지 결정할 수 없어.그것은 나를 웃게 만들었다.에버그린피르(토크) 07:03, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- 글쎄, 네가 적응할 기분이면, 나는 유모가 나를 무릎 위로 눕히고 봇봇을 때리는 것이 제일 좋아.EEng 07:19, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
빈번한 WP:NPA 위반 등
대화 내:절대적 가치(기사 기록 링크 감시 로그 편집), 우연히 우파 안에 있다는 막연한 비난을 하면서 완전히 틀린 것처럼 나를 낙인찍으려는 시도가 빈번하게 일어나는 것 같다.심지어 인신공격까지 하면서 "이런 기사의 취급능력을 갖췄다" "내가 기사를 다루는 데 있어 최선의 의도가 없다"고 주장하는 등의 말을 하고 있다.
나는 그것을 해결하려고 여러 번 노력했다.내가 여기서 내 자신을 정당화하려는 것은 아니지만, 내가 아는 것은 그들이 하는 일이 위키피디아가 어떻게 다뤄져야 하는지가 아니라는 것이다.한편, D.라자드(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 차단 사용자 · 블록 로그)는 WP와 같은 규칙을 스스로 위반하고 있다는 핑계로 나를 특별히 겨냥하고 있는 것 같다.CONDUCTDISPUT 등이것은 토론이 처음부터 결코 내용적인 논쟁이 아니었다는 사실에도 불구하고 말이다.내가 WP를 지적했을 때, 그는 또한 그러한 가식 아래 나의 편집사항들 중 몇 가지를 되돌렸다.편집상의 이유로 그는 WP:방해하다.
누군가는 기사를 보호한 것처럼 만들기도 했지만, 현시점에서는 그렇지 않다는 것을 알 수 있다.그렇더라도, 나는 그들이 나와 문제가 있기 때문에 그 페이지를 편집하지 않는 것이 현명하다고 믿는다.설사 내가 잘못했다는 것을 안다고 해도(그리고 나는 진심으로 그렇지 않다) 그것이 실제로 모든 사람에게 이렇게 나를 괴롭힐 권리를 주는 것은 아니다.
부록으로, 여기서 언급된 문제들 중 일부는 나의 토크 페이지에도 확장된 것 같다. --카르잠, AKA KarjamP (토크) 09:53, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 카잠, 다른 편집자의 행동에 대해서는 그만 이야기하고 내용만 논할 필요가 있다(다른 것은 아무것도 없다).그게 바로 그 토크페이지의 모든 사람들이 당신에게 말하려고 했던 것이다.만약 그 합의가 당신에게 불리하다면, 그 합의는 당신에게 불리하다.위키피디아는 합의에 의해 운영된다.현재의 합의가 마음에 들지 않는다면, 당신의 주장은 (A) 당신이 원하는 내용/버전/텍스트에 대해 당신의 주장을 계속하는 것이다. 또는 (B) 어떤 형태의 분쟁 해결을 위해-- 그러나 그것은 모두 적절하고 중립적으로 이루어져야 하며, 다른 편집자나 그들의 행동에 대한 언급은 피해야 한다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 10:18, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 약간의 차이점이 도움이 될 것이다.나나 여기 있는 그 누구도 여기서 불쾌감을 주는 논평을 얻기 위해 긴 일련의 대화 페이지 토론을 거치고 싶어하지 않는다.일견 당신의 행동도, 푸르지 푸르게토리오의 행동도 완벽하지 못한 것 같은 느낌이 든다고 말할 것이다.나는 조엘 B의 말에 동의해.상황에 대한 루이스의 일반적인 평가는 다음과 같다.둘 다 개성을 잃어야 해—/Mendaliv//2¢Δ's 10:52, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 논평: 내가 지명자에 의해 인용되었듯이, 나는 여기서 그 사건의 역사를 기억해야 한다.이것은 카잠이 절대값과의 편집 전쟁을 시작한 30년 11월에 시작되었다. (11월 30일부터 12월 9일까지 유사한 편집 9건, 4개의 다른 편집자에 의해 되돌림).다른 편집자는 11월에 기사를 보호함으로써 이것을 중단했다.12월 9일부터는 (보호 종료 후에도) 기사를 더 이상 편집하지 않고 토크에서 장시간에 걸친 토론을 시작했다.절대값#다른 편집자의 행동에 대한 공식(기사 및 내용에 대해서는 절대 해당되지 않음).이 토론에 참여한 8명의 편집자 중 조엘 B가 되기 전까지 카잠의 불만을 지지한 사람은 아무도 없었다. 루이스가 닫았다.그럼에도 불구하고 카잠은 이 주제 밖의 논의를 매듭짓고, 다시 시작하려 했다.이것이 나의 반전의 대상이었다(여기 마지막이 있다).나는 그의 토크 페이지에서 두 번이나 그에게 파괴적인 편집에 대해 경고했다.이는 WP의 사례로 보인다.부메랑. D.라자르 (토크) 11:14, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
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- 나는 부메랑이 여기서 보증된다는 것에 동의하지 않는다.나는 카잠이 분명히 좌절했지만 이유가 없는 것은 아니라고 생각한다.나는 카잠이 어떤 일에 있어서도 옳다고 말하는 것이 아니다(이견의 장점이 나의 전문적 범위 밖에 있다), 그러나 나는 어느 시점에서 카잼을 향한 강연은 설명과 거들먹거림(예를 들어 [145], [146])의 경계를 넘고, 어느 시점에서는 WP:BATtlegroundism(예를 들어, 누군가 "인수"를 요구하는 편집 요약)이 된다.즉, 카잠의 반전을 인수한다).카잠의 계정이 7년이 넘었음에도 불구하고 위키백과에서 많은 경험이 없는 편집자라는 것은 편집과 논평에서 꽤 명백하다.토크 페이지에서 모든 사항을 다루는 것은 내가 WP를 위반하는 것으로 생각된다.특히 Karjam이 "Guys"를 특이하게 사용하여 대부분의 코멘트를 여는 것에 초점을 맞춘다.특히 문법과 가독성에 관한 논쟁의 중심을 감안할 때, 더 경험이 많은 편집자들이 카잠의 문법적 특이성이 불쾌하게 하려는 의도가 아니라는 것을 이해하고 모든 편집자가 남성인 것은 아니므로 그것을 피하도록 정중히 부탁하기를 바랄 것이다(솔직히 나는 그것의 성가신 점이 플리파 때문에 더 아닌가 의심하지만).nt의 함축, 예를 들어 "snt").이 논쟁에 대한 나의 요약: 카잠은 위키피디아에서 7년 이상 동안 300개 미만의 편집자를 가진 상대적으로 경험이 부족한 편집자다.그는 절대적 가치로 가서 글의 흐름을 개선하기 위해 아주 기본적인 몇 가지 변화를 시도했지만, 문법적인 수정이라고 특징지었다.그것들은 집요하게 되돌아갔다.그래서 집요하게, 사실, 카잠이 실수로 한 편집에서 괄호를 불균형하게 했을 때, 그 편집은 너무 빨리 되돌아가서, 그가 직접 수정하러 갔을 때, 또 다른 불균형 괄호를 초래했다.마침내 토크 페이지의 논의가 진행되자, 그것은 카잠의 교육에 결함이 있거나 편집 요약 때문에 위키백과를 편집하는 능력이 부족함을 암시하는 것으로 빠르게 전환되었다.나는 카잠이 좌절했다고 비난하지 않는다.그래서, 아니, 나는 부메랑이 여기서 적절하다고 생각하지 않아.나는 이것이 WP를 필요로 하는 것은 아니라고 생각한다.NPA 제재나 어떤 직접적인 행정 활동도 그렇지만 부메랑이 반드시 필요하지는 않다.—/Mendaliv///2¢Δ's 14:32, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- 나의 평가: 11월 30일, 카잠은 절대적 가치로 나타나 널리 보는 기사에 대해 논의되지 않은 일방적인 변경을 하기 시작했고, 조엘 B를 포함한 다양한 편집자들과 편집전을 벌이면서 12월 9일까지 계속 그렇게 했다. 루이스, 데이비드 엡스타인, D.라자드, 그리고 푸르지 푸르게토리오.Purgy Purgaterio는 이 12월 10일자 기사에서 Karjam의 변화에 따른 문제점들을 간결하게 묘사했다. [148].12월 9일 카잠은 그 기사에 대한 편집 전쟁을 중단했지만 그의 WP:BATtleground 행동을 대신 토크 페이지에 가져왔다. [149].그는 이 토크에 대해 네 명의 다른 숙련된 편집자들로부터 수많은 경고문을 받았다.절대값 토크 페이지 배틀그라운드 동작: [150]나는 카르잠에게 이 기사의 주제 금지를 요구하거나 물러서라고 요구하는 것 외에는 해결책이 무엇인지 모르겠다.소프트라벤더 (대화) 14:00, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
- @카르잠:절대적 가치에서 자발적으로 벗어나야 한다.네 심정은 이해하지만, 어떤 '왕따'도 너보다 경험이 많은 편집자들의 일치된 의견들에 맞서 고집이 세고 집요하게 밀어붙인 데서 비롯되었다.네가 생각하는 '올바른'이 얼마나 옳은지는 중요하지 않다.위키피디아에서 협력하는 방법을 배워야 한다. 그렇지 않으면 계속해서 문제가 생길 것이다.나는 블록이 정돈되어 있다고 생각하지 않으며, 블록으로 너를 위협할 필요도 없다고 생각한다.글과 토크 페이지만 남겨두면 주제 금지가 필요 없을 것이다.그렇지 않다면, 편집자들이 주제 금지를 제안하는 가운데 다시 여기에 올 것이라고 생각한다.--Bb23 (대화) 14:51, 2018년 1월 1일 (UTC)[
[설명서 추가, 토크 페이지별 편집 요청:-- Bagoon 05:29, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC) :
WP에 대해 말해줘서 고마워:배틀그라운드. 내가 좀...거기서는 내 말투가 거칠다.내가 말했듯이, 나는 내가 틀렸는지 몰랐기 때문에, 결코 내 자신을 정당화하지 않는다.비록 내가 그랬다고 해도, 나는 기꺼이 내 자신의 실수로부터 배울 것이다.
한 가지만 짚고 넘어가자; 나는 그 기사와 관련된 어떤 것도 논할 수 없었다. 왜냐하면 그것은 기사의 내용과 정말로 관련이 없는 것으로 해석될 것이기 때문이다.정말로, 지금 사람들은 다른 사람들을 공격하고 있는 논평과 다른 의견을 구분하는 데 어려움을 겪고 있는 것 같다.나 자신의 토크 페이지에서 볼 수 있는 것처럼, 내가 여전히 WP:B를 위반하고 있었을 때.아틀그라운드, 나는 다른 사람들을 "바보"라고 부를 진정한 이유가 있다고 말했지만, 나는 참았다. 이것은 비록 그런 뜻이 아니었지만, 누군가에 의한 간접적인 공격으로 해석되었다. (이봐, 나는 그 구절이 정말 얼마나 경멸적인지는 알지만, 그 대신 설명이라는 사실을 바꾸지는 않는다.)
그리고 다른 사람들이 일방적으로 나만의 문법이 나쁘고 그들만의 문법이 최고라고 동의한 것 같다는 사실이 있다."당신이 물어본 이후부터 읽어라.예를 들어, 그 기사에 의하면. (그리고 나서, 모든 것을 잘못 읽고, 인신공격으로 해석되는 오해를 불러일으키면서, 나를 그런 일로 비난하는 사람들과 다를 바 없는 사람이 되는 경향이 있다.
나 역시 이런 문제들 때문에 한동안 그 기사를 편집할 생각이 없었다.네 말이 맞아, 난 경험이 없어.하지만, 내가 이동 중에 그 경험을 얻는 것은, 아무리 비용이 많이 든다고 해도, 실수로부터 배우는 것은 문제될 것이 없다. --카르잠, AKA KarjamP (토크) 04:34, 2018년 1월 3일 (UTC)[
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뉴비어 편집자 브리히627(토크 · 기여 · 삭제된 기여 · 로그 · 필터 로그 · 블록 사용자 · 블록 로그)은 오늘날 적어도 35개 편집에서 "추가 링크"와 "고정 타이포"와 같은 잘못된 요약과 함께 실질적인 내용을 추가했다.적어도 이러한 편집 내용 중 일부는 명확한 BLP 위반이다(예: 리베카 머서가 대다수의 Breitbart News를 소유하고 있다고 거짓으로 말하는 비소싱 콘텐츠).누군가가 편집 내용을 롤백해서 BLP와 정직한 편집 관행에 대해 엄중한 경고를 할 수 있기를 바란다.이 기사들은 1932년 이후 AP의 일부분이며 DS의 적용을 받는다는 점에 유의하십시오. (나는 이 페이지를 보고 있지 않으므로, 내 주의를 끌려면 ping을 해주십시오.) --Dr. 플라이슈만 (대화) 17:10, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 여기 뭔가 이상한 일이 벌어지고 있다.나는 이 사용자의 토크 페이지를 방문하여 비소싱 콘텐츠 추가에 대한 경고를 남겼는데, 이 논의가 시작된 것을 알게 되었다.이 사용자는 "투자자와 텍사스 억만장자 에너지 사이온 크리스토퍼 설리번 리처드슨"에 대한 내용을 수많은 페이지에 추가하고 있다.예를 보려면 여기를 참조하십시오.첫 번째 문제는 이 사용자가 기존 인용문 앞에서 오해의 소지가 있는 새로운 내용을 추가하고 있다는 점이다.이상한 문제는 내가 "크리스토퍼 설리번 리처드슨"이 진짜 사람인지도 잘 모른다는 것이다.WP일 수 있다.장난 영역.'크리스토퍼 설리번드슨'에 대한 검색은 거의 아무것도 하지 않고 있으며, 첫 번째 결과는 위키백과 기사다.만약 이 사람이 억만장자라면 그에 대한 정보가 더 있을 텐데?나는 그가 존재하는지조차 확신할 수 없다.어쨌든, 나는 이 문제가 정리되는 대로 계속 수정 사항을 되돌릴 것이다.마르쿠아르티카 (대화) 19:40, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[하라
- 음, 우리는 그의 편집 중 적어도 하나가 완전히 그리고 증명할 수 있을 정도로 거짓이었다는 것을 알고 있다.http://www.sullivancity.org/history/을 참조하십시오.General IzationTalk 19:56, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 억만장자로 추정되는 '크리스토퍼 설리번 리처드슨'에 대한 내용은 웹 어디에서도 찾아볼 수 없다.소수점 이전에 10개의 숫자를 가진 사람은 그 익명으로 남을 수 없다.이것은 NOTHERE 계정처럼 보이기 시작했다.그들의 토크 페이지에 경고문을 올렸지만 내 손가락이 블록버튼을 맴돌고 있다. -Ad Orientem (토크) 20:09, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- NOTHERE로 외설됨.그러나 나는 그들이 여기서 제기된 이슈에 대응하기를 원할 경우에 대비하여 그들의 TP 편집 권한을 그대로 남겨두었다.그런데 그 증거가 내게는 꽤 빡빡해 보인다. -Ad Orientem (대화) 20:22, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[하라
- 억만장자로 추정되는 '크리스토퍼 설리번 리처드슨'에 대한 내용은 웹 어디에서도 찾아볼 수 없다.소수점 이전에 10개의 숫자를 가진 사람은 그 익명으로 남을 수 없다.이것은 NOTHERE 계정처럼 보이기 시작했다.그들의 토크 페이지에 경고문을 올렸지만 내 손가락이 블록버튼을 맴돌고 있다. -Ad Orientem (토크) 20:09, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 음, 우리는 그의 편집 중 적어도 하나가 완전히 그리고 증명할 수 있을 정도로 거짓이었다는 것을 알고 있다.http://www.sullivancity.org/history/을 참조하십시오.General IzationTalk 19:56, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 그것들은 양말이다.다른 계정은 HBass214(talk · concernes · count)이다.내가 되돌린 HBASS214의 이 편집은 설리번 리처드슨에 대한 집착을 설명할 수 있을 것이다.누군가는 HBAS214의 다른 편집본을 보고 제거할 필요가 있는지 보고 싶을 것이다.많지 않다.--Bbb23 (대화)20:43, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- IPsock 2600:100C:B00D:CF49:AD71:8FCD:6F6D:DE4B(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS), 2602:306:8081:d2a0:43c:a241:383d:39b7(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS), 2600:100C:B004:5863:B506:B8DB:AFDD:E56D(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS) 및 2600:100C:B027:919A:28D8:14F3:4E52:D214(토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)General Ization 21:34, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 그리고 또 다른 양말: Hbass214817 (대화 • 기여 • 삭제된 기여 • 핵 기여 • 로그 • 필터 로그 • 차단 사용자 • 블록 로그)General IzationTalk 21:42, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- 흥미롭게도 위의 bb23 ([151])이 열거한 링크에는 "마리포사 목장의 억만장자 소유주"로 "다니엘 조셉 설리반 4세 (1934~2006)"라고 적혀 있고, 마리포사 목장 웹사이트[152]에는 "마리포사 목장은 110년 넘게 설리반 패밀리에 남아 있다.다니엘 J. 설리번, 뷔는 유산을 이어간다.그래서 여기에 사실과 허구의 조합이 있을 수도 있고, 술리반과 리차드슨 가족 사이에 점수를 매기는 것이 있을 수도 있다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 22:05, 2018년 1월 2일 (UTC)[
- @Bbb23: 위와 같은 재료에 함량을 추가하는 또 다른 겉보기 양말: 2600:100C:B029:D1E0:ACDA:8964:C43E:82E1 (토크 · 기여 · WHOIS). 마르쿠아르티카 (토크) 04:24, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
사용자:CoilerCorp 및 의심스러운 Socketpuppet
| 청소했다. - 부시 레인저 02:44, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
[153] 그 회사에 관한 기사를 편집하기 위해 만들어진 계정으로는 [154] [155] 블랙웡pcc[156] 유저가 말하는 것처럼 언제든지 활성화할 수 있는 두 개의 다른 계정이 있다.블랙원그pcc와 그의 PCCooler 기사.판초507 (대화) 00:57, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[
- 여기에 더 많은 증거가 있다: [157][158][160][161][162][163][164][165][166]판초507 (대화) 01:19, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[
- 기사를 삭제했다(그것은 명백한 G11이었고 효과적으로 공급되지 않은 것이 놀랍다) 그리고 코일러코프는 명백한 사용자 이름 침해에 대해 차단했다. 비록 그들은 그 이후로 편집하지 않았고 나는 그들이 그것을 볼 수 있을지 의심스럽다.나머지 3개 계정은 2007년, 2008년, 2015년 이후 각각 편집이 안 되고 사용자 이름 문제도 없어 그냥 놔뒀다.검은 연(토크)
최종 경고 후 CopyVio
| 인데버트는 어떻게 하면 막힘이 풀릴 수 있는지를 설명하는 쪽지를 들고 있었다.토니발리오니 (토크) 13:34, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
사용자:라이트 리의 초안:사용자가 계약 선물을 거절함:David.moreno72 12월 2일과 3일에 카피비오에서 두 번.해당 페이지는 삭제 후 12월 3일에 다시 작성되었으며 최종 경고가 User_talk:라이트_리#복사권_폭행_최종_경고같은 카피비오(CopyVio)로 세 번째 재탄생한 것 같아 G12에 같은 초안을 지명했을 뿐이다.세라프위키 (대화) 13:23, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[
사용자 자신의 토크 페이지에 대한 불쾌한 논평
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
사용자 대화를 참조하십시오.PBadali#North America는 내가 선택한 것이 아니다! (내 게시물 현재 버전에 대한 퍼머링크: [167]) 내가 반체제적인 논평으로 간주한 것에 대한 것이다.나(괴짜)는 이러한 우려를 이유로 PBadali에게 댓글을 삭제해 달라고 요청했으나(그리고 누구와도 대화를 하지 않아 대화 페이지의 범위를 벗어났다) 그는 이것이 자신의 의견일 뿐(사용자의 영어가 좀 서툴러서 군데군데 오해가 있을 수 있다)고 주장하며 거절했다.–Vorbison(탄소 • 동영상) 22:10, 2018년 1월 4일(UTC)[
- 나는 WP에 의해 논평의 일부를 수정했다.그것은 명백히 위반이다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 22:23, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 소셜미디어와 인터넷 감시를 담당하는 당국의 시선을 비껴갈 수 있도록 이런 게시물을 만들 필요가 있다.아이블리스 카운트 (대화) 22:46, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 당신은 수사적인가, 아니면 그 주장에 사실적인 근거가 있는가?만약 그렇다면, 어떤 증거에 근거하고 있는 겁니까?만약 그가 그런 주장을 하지 않았다면 그는 어떤 공식적인 징벌적 조치를 당했을 것이라고 주장하는 겁니까?만약 그렇다면 왜 en을 편집하는가.위키, 그의 영어 실력은 전혀 미치지 못하는 것 같으니, 대신에 그의 모국어의 위키피디아를 편집하는 것은 어떨까?비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 23:00, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 여기에 더해 '내 계정이 해킹당한 것 같으니 뭔가 잘못된 게 보이면 무시해줘!'라는 글과 함께 새 계정을 개설하자는 제안이 나오면 "고맙지만, 난이도가 해결되지 않고 새로운 계정의 경우 같은 이벤트가 반복돼 내가 알려주는 것만 반복된다"는 의미를 담고 있다.이란 당국이 그의 계정을 통해 편집하고 있다는 제안과 그의 토크페이지에서 이 같은 발언을 했다는 제안이 아닐까.만약 이 중 어느 것이라도 사실이라면 우리는 그의 계정이 위태로워지는 것을 막는 조치를 취해야 하고, PBdali는 중국의 계정이 해야 하는 것처럼 새로운 계정을 만들고 대리인을 통해 편집해야 한다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 23:05, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 게다가 편집자는 어떤 기사도 편집하지 않았다[168], 그들의 편집 내용은 대화 페이지와 RefDesk이다.우리는 소셜 미디어 웹사이트가 아니다. 편집자들은 대화하기 위해서가 아니라 백과사전을 개선하기 위해 여기에 있어야 한다.그런 점, 그리고 자기들 계좌를 인정한다는 사실까지 감안하면 이 계좌를 차단해야 하지 않을까.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크)
- 여기에 더해 '내 계정이 해킹당한 것 같으니 뭔가 잘못된 게 보이면 무시해줘!'라는 글과 함께 새 계정을 개설하자는 제안이 나오면 "고맙지만, 난이도가 해결되지 않고 새로운 계정의 경우 같은 이벤트가 반복돼 내가 알려주는 것만 반복된다"는 의미를 담고 있다.이란 당국이 그의 계정을 통해 편집하고 있다는 제안과 그의 토크페이지에서 이 같은 발언을 했다는 제안이 아닐까.만약 이 중 어느 것이라도 사실이라면 우리는 그의 계정이 위태로워지는 것을 막는 조치를 취해야 하고, PBdali는 중국의 계정이 해야 하는 것처럼 새로운 계정을 만들고 대리인을 통해 편집해야 한다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 23:05, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 당신은 수사적인가, 아니면 그 주장에 사실적인 근거가 있는가?만약 그렇다면, 어떤 증거에 근거하고 있는 겁니까?만약 그가 그런 주장을 하지 않았다면 그는 어떤 공식적인 징벌적 조치를 당했을 것이라고 주장하는 겁니까?만약 그렇다면 왜 en을 편집하는가.위키, 그의 영어 실력은 전혀 미치지 못하는 것 같으니, 대신에 그의 모국어의 위키피디아를 편집하는 것은 어떨까?비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 23:00, 2018년 1월 4일 (UTC)[
- 제정신을 위해 위키피디아는 백과사전이지, 조국을 위해 브라우니 포인트를 얻을 수 있는 곳이 아니라고 덧붙이는 것, 그것이 그가 하는 일이긴 하지만, 그렇지 않다. --Tarage (토크) 08:44, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- 나는 이 사용자가 이미 앞서 언급한 것을 우연히 알게 되었고, 아마도 그의 타고난/건전성/고교적인 배경에 고착되어 있는 그의 행동은 내게 다소 과장된 것으로 보였다.그러나 (i) 자신의 토크 페이지(아마도 WP-규칙에 약간 부적절한)에서 "나는 미국의 구글이나 헐리우드처럼 <PP에 의해 수정된> 사고들이 지배하는 것을 본다"고 말했다.미국에서의 Polemic >," (ii) 이 아이디어가 "Hatespeech"이고 "완전히 받아들일 수 없다"고 하는 것에 대한 새로운 실을 추가하고, (iii) 심지어 WP:AN/I 절차는 "자유 발언"에 대한 근본적인 공격이며, 성장하기 쉬운 언어가 아닌 사람들에게 WP에서 "안전한 공간"을 제공하기 위한 노력의 과장이기도 하다.나는 내가 위에서 제안한 수정조치가 이 경우 언론의 자유를 최대한 제한하는 것이라고 생각한다.퍼지 (토크) 09:26, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- WP:FRESSPEECH. - The Bushranger 10:46, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[하라
- BMK, 해외에서 일하는 난민이 아닌 이란 사람들이 많다.그들은 자신들이 반체제 인사처럼 보이지 않도록 조심한다.아이블리스 카운트 (토크) 14:18, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- 업데이트하기 위해 PBadali는 BMK의 수정판([169])을 통해 자신의 코멘트를 받아 원문을 낭독했다.나는 되돌아가서 그를 이곳으로 안내했다.나는 그가 그 문제를 이해했는지조차 확신할 수 없다.–Vorbison(탄소 • 동영상) 18:50, 2018년 1월 5일(UTC)[
- 나는 여기서 고드족의 매듭을 끊고 여기서 논의된 이벤트뿐만 아니라 (사용자 페이지에서) 계정이 해킹당했다는 사용자의 승인에 따라 무기한 차단하고 있다.그래도 논란이 될 수 있으니 이 부분을 닫는 것은 다른 사람에게 맡기겠다.2018년 1월 5일 (UTC) 19:36, Writ Keeper[
- 편집자는 구글과 할리우드에 대해 불만을 토로하고 있었지만, 그가 말하는 일종의 문제가 있는 것은 페이스북인 것 같다.아이블리스 카운트 (토크) 20:24, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
네가 날 이겼으니 IMO도 좋은 차단이야A 21talk:27, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- PBadli는 분명히 WP를 이해하지 못한다.PULLMIC (만약 그들이 그것을 읽었더라도), 이것을 감안한다면.다시 말하지만 기계 번역기가 사용되는 모든 징후("비판자?")와 독일인, 유대인, 북한 사람들이 나쁘지는 않지만 그들의 생각은 나쁘다.비욘드 마이 켄 (토크) 21:35, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[
- 위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
설명 없이 사용자가 문서에서 유지 관리 템플릿을 지속적으로 제거
| 차단됨. - 부시 레인저 01:04, 2018년 1월 6일 (UTC)[ |
- 다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.
- 108.35.90.117 (토크 · 기여 · WHOIS)
이 편집자는 IP의 토크 페이지에 수많은 경고와 탄원에도 불구하고 요약 편집에 아무런 설명 없이 지난 3월부터 기사에서 유지 관리 템플릿을 삭제해 왔다.IP는 작년에 네 번 차단되었지만, 가장 최근에는 여기, 여기, 여기, 여기, 그리고 여기, 그리고 여기, 그리고 여기서 그들의 행동은 계속되고 있다.편집자가 최근 일부 편집(요약 편집의 작동 방식을 알고 있음을 나타냄)에 대해 요약 편집을 시작했지만 IP가 유지 관리 템플릿을 제거할 때 요약 편집을 사용하지 않기로 계속 선택하기 때문에 더욱 답답하다.이전에 AIV에 보고했지만 노골적인 반달리즘이 아니기 때문에 아무런 조치도 취하지 않는다. 여기 관리인이 도와줄 수 있을까?青い(아오이) (토크) 22:54, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
- 사실, 유지관리 템플릿의 남용은 공공 시설 파괴 행위다 - WP:스니키. 이전 기록을 봤을 때, 나는 이번에 3개월 동안 계속 블록 길이를 늘렸다.블랙 카이트 (토크) 23:01, 2018년 1월 5일 (UTC)[
Wickedtuna
| Blocked 1 week for disruptive editing, prior to Bbb23's suggestion but for much the same reasons. Sandstein 14:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Wickedtuna (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) started a reasonable article a Don Bosco Technical College-Cebu, Inc. but then went overboard with a staff list with childishly insulting links on the staff names Special:Permalink/818905131. The talk page shows a troubling record of disruptive editing. Brought here following AIV dicussion. Wickedtuna needs a short block to help to learn that Wikipedia isn't a playground. Cabayi (talk) 09:47, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- If not a block, the user definitely needs a stern and final warning. Also, is the username an issue considering it matches the name of a TV show, Wicked Tuna? Deli nk (talk) 13:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- The user already has two final warnings. If they're to mean anything at all "final" must actually mean "final" at some point. Cabayi (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- The user's edits are a mixture of incompetence and vandalism with a few constructive edits thrown into the mix. They are already blocked on Commons (two weeks) for copyright violations. Here, they created a hoax article (deleted) and another article that was pretty close to an attack page, although it was deleted as an A7. I'm considering an indefinite NOTHERE block.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- The user already has two final warnings. If they're to mean anything at all "final" must actually mean "final" at some point. Cabayi (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Flamingoflorida is back with sockpuppets
| SPI open and shut, this round to Wikipedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:07, 6 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Flamingoflorida (talk·contribs) was blocked for WP:COI and WP:CIR. She came back as Artliker (talk·contribs). See previous ANI.
She is now editing as 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:BE (talk · contribs · WHOIS), with the same focus on Recanati winery and Overseas Shipholding GroupBillhpike (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Billhpike, I blocked that IP for obvious block evasion. Cullen328Let's discuss it 01:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- She is now using 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:55 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I think we need a rangeblock on 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:00/112 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))Billhpike (talk) 02:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Billhpike, I also blocked that IP. I will let an administrator experienced with range blocks evaluate that part of your request. Cullen328Let's discuss it 02:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also using 2600:387:9:3::c1 (talk · contribs · 2600:387:9:3::c1 WHOIS). (Already blocked) Billhpike (talk) 02:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- What's with the shopping mall edits? [170] Different editor? --NeilNtalk to me 02:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Billhpike, I also blocked that IP. I will let an administrator experienced with range blocks evaluate that part of your request. Cullen328Let's discuss it 02:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- She is now using 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:55 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I think we need a rangeblock on 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:00/112 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))Billhpike (talk) 02:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note that 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:BE (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is in the 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:00/112 range and has been associated with Maleidys Perez (talk·contribs), who was also blocked for sock puppetry. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maleidys Perez/Archive. I suspect Flamingoflorida is just another sockpuppet of Maleidys Perez. Billhpike (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I've done some digging throug edit histories. I think the following IP ranges are associated with the same vandal:
- 2600:387:2:809:0:0:0:97/112 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Note: very narrow ipv6 range
- 2601:58A:8600:F6D0:0:0:0:0/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
- 24.138.202.246/24 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
- 107.77.215.0/24 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
- 64.237.233.96/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
- 24.50.204.149/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Note that 24.50.204.149 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has made vandal edits today.
The telltale sign is an obsession with San Francisco (sans-serif typeface) and childrens TV shows. Another common behavior is requests for a direct block after an autoblock (example). Most IPs appear to be from Puerto Rico.
Some of the IP ranges overlap with those used by WP:Long-term abuse/Link Smurf and there are some behavior similarities. Since the IP ranges are broad, it could just be a coincidence. I'd appreciate inpute on whether to file a new LTA report or update the Link Smurf report?
(pinging Link Smurf experts Imzadi1979TJH2018 ) Billhpike (talk) 07:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
She is now using Crazypug (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). Can we just semiprotect all of Category:Recanati family? (Proposed by @Cullen328: [172]) Billhpike (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
I filed for a SPI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Flamingoflorida Billhpike (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Dinhio13
User:Dinhio13 is persistently removing several clubs from the career of football player Akaki Khubutia, despite them being confirmed by external sources. Said user also does not engage in any discussion, despite my advances in revert summaries (at first) and his talk page (more recently). The article in question is the only one he ever edited, and google search by his nickname suggests that he is either the player himself, or a close person, thus also violating WP:AB -BlameRuiner (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is it me or is the fact the user has only edited this one page suspicious? I think we have a one-purpose account here. TomBarker23 (talk) 13:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Page ECP and user warned. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is it me or is the fact the user has only edited this one page suspicious? I think we have a one-purpose account here. TomBarker23 (talk) 13:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Recurring incremental vandal 2
| (non-admin closure) Range blocked. Tornado chaser (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC) |
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This IP range[173] was blocked for subtle vandalism of numbers, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive973#Recurring_incremental_vandal and appeares to be continuing after being unblocked, I have noticed more of the same kind of number changes from this IP range yesterday[174] and this morning[175].
I have been watching this range and reverting the suspicious edits, but have not given any warnings or notified them of this ANI as the vandal is constantly changing IPs. Tornado chaser (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked the range again, for a week this time. There is the occasional good-faith edit from this range, but 90%+ since the previous block expired on 1 January have been vandalism. Black Kite (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive editing / removing talk page posts by User:SeraphWiki
| See your talk page. --NeilN talk to me 03:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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User:SeraphWiki deleted a talk page post I made, against Wikipedia policy (here) and once I realised he did that, I re-added my post, and added the appropriate warning template here ({{subst:uw-tpv1}}) which is for "Editing, correcting, or deleting others' talk page comments." The user quickly removed the re-added post and the warning template here, and added this to my talk page, and I increased the level here, and he yet again removed it here and left this on my talk page saying i misused a warning template. -- Wilner (Speak to me) 02:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Update: User:SeraphWiki has removed the template required to be posted when an account is under an incident investigation. -- Wilner(Speak to me) 03:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- R9tgokunks (yes, very confusing to have two names), did you not read and grasp the note NeilN left? And that required template is a notification, not a scarlet letter. Now hush and leave this be. Drmies (talk) 03:08, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive editing / removing talk page posts by User:SeraphWiki (repost due to issue not being addressed)
| Yes, we are done. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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User:SeraphWiki deleted a talk page post I made, against Wikipedia policy (here) and once I realised he did that, I re-added my post, and added the appropriate warning template here ({{subst:uw-tpv1}}) which is for "Editing, correcting, or deleting others' talk page comments." The user quickly removed the re-added post and the warning template here, and added this to my talk page, and I increased the level here, and he yet again removed it here and left this on my talk page saying i misused a warning template. -- Wilner (Speak to me) 02:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Update: User:SeraphWiki has removed the template i posted to his talk page required to be posted when an account is under an incident investigation. -- Wilner(Speak to me) 03:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Facepalm --NeilNtalk to me 03:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)- R9tgokunks (yes, very confusing to have two names), did you not read and grasp the note NeilN left? And that required template is a notification, not a scarlet letter. Now hush and leave this be. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
"Consistency" in radio/TV station templates
| ANI has been accused of being many things over the years, but "a place to settle content disputes" is not one of them. WP:DR and WP:3O are thataway→. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Copied/pasted from my talk page. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is actually no consistency in formatting of radio station or TV "branding" or "slogan" in the templates. Some use bold, some use italics, some use quote marks, some use combinations. But WP:MOS does not support any of these except for quote marks. See also this, which uses simple quotes for the branding. If we're going to have consistency it should be consistent with MOS. Jeh (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- What administrator action are you requesting? This looks like a discussion that should be either on a user talk page; or the talk page of a template or related Wikiproject. --- Barek(talk • contribs) - 03:58, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Singapore airlines vandal -- rangeblock?
| (non-admin closure) Range blocked. --Jprg1966 (talk) 23:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Wrong dates, wrong numbers of aircraft, wrong airports... Somebody in Singapore has been using multiple IPs to vandalize airlines articles for the last seven days. Is a rangeblock possible? To me, it looks like a tight grouping. Binksternet (talk) 06:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- They're all in 183.90.36.224/27, which is small enough that a block is unlikely to cause a lot of collateral damage. I've blocked it for a week. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 07:13, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Binksternet (talk) 07:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Still active at a nearby IP. Binksternet (talk) 08:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
User:NepalMyMotherland
| Blocked as Competence is required. Amortias (T)(C) 21:13, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- NepalMyMotherland (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Since their last unblock, NepalMyMotherland has made a spurious BRFA, written a telling post at WT:RFA, created a G4, cut and pasted a draft and started approving AfC drafts against guidelines. They did manage to tag one of their moves with {{Histmerge}} when prompted, so perhaps they are not acting in bad faith, but there are chronic competency issues here and without mentoring they are a damage to the encyclopedia. TheDragonFire (talk) 07:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Soory I dont konw much what to do. Now i willn't repeat. NepalMyMotherland 08:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NepalMyMotherland (talk • contribs)
- At the very least, your signature must include a link to your user or user talk page. See WP:SIGLINK. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 08:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure English wiki is the place for this editor....clearly English is not their fortay.--Moxy (talk) 14:27, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Nor even their forte. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think forts come with instructions. Build a wall, dig a trench, mount some cannons. Not hard. We didn't get instructions. L3X1 Happy2018! (distænt write) 20:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Nor even their forte. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- User was blocked CIR by Alex Shih. L3X1 Happy2018! (distænt write) 17:14, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Stevenpanameno seemingly using draft space as a web host
| (non-admin closure) Drafts nominated for deletion. --Jprg1966 (talk) 23:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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The editor Stevenpanameno (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has the following drafts:
- Draft:Haylor!(web series) which they have been working on since January 2015 and has only submitted for review once, in October 2016.
- Draft:SJL (web series) which they have been working on since June 2015 and has only submitted for review once, in October 2016.
- Draft:Steven Panameno created in August 2017 and declined by me the when it was submitted for review on the day it was created.
Given the clear COI on all three, it appears odd to me that someone would continually edit drafts for so long but make no further attempt to have them accepted. Does this look like using draft space as a webhost? Looking at the YouTube channels, Haylor only has 74 subscribers and the most any of their videos has had is 137 views, so these are obscure subjects never likely to be accepted into mainspace as far as I can see. I don't think I can nominate them at MFD as that's not for notability issues. I left a message on their talk page 11 days ago asking them what their intention is for the drafts, but have not had a reply. WP:U5 seems to apply only to userspace, not draftspace? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, you could nominate it at mfd as a webhost violation. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Djsasso
| OP blocked as a sock.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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It might be inappropriate to question administrator behavior but Djsasso (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) reverted[176][177][178] my edits without any explanation (pov pushing in the last one). I restored[179][180][181][182] them explaining why they're significant. I hope you can explain why he's right and I'm not. Cskamoscow100 (talk) 18:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) Did you actually discuss the matter with Djsasso (or notify him of this report)? Kleuske (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Edit warring over archival of stale talk page
Requesting thoughts about talk:Symbol. The talk threads were all archived in 2016 by Cluebot III. This week, user:66.31.54.242 reverted the archival of threads dating back to 2004, and after having their restoring reverted by User:DanielPenfield and myself, they restored it again and started a thread at talk:Symbol#Don't arbitrarily remove talk page content -- put thought into it.. Basically a long rant against archival bots in general, which seemed a bigger issue than that one talk page, so seemed to require a broader venue - just not sure the best board for it.
I'm heading to bed and working from a cell phone with low battery, so would request someone to notify the IP for me. I'll be back in several hours, after I wake. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 07:22, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- The admins appear to have taken the night off. AIV is pretty well backlogged. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 10:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm going through the AIV backlog now. Sorry nobody was around, Bugs. With this Symbol chap, there hasn't been any edits in several hours and nobody's left him a talk page warning, so ordinarily that would not get a block via AIV. I'll keep an eye on him, though. A Traintalk 12:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- No problem; when I posted here, I wasn't looking for a block. The IP appears to have a complaint about archive-bot behavior in general (although archival on that specific talk page was the current focus). I mainly had two concerns: I was hoping for someone to help point the IP to a discussion board better suited for addressing archive-bot concerns. Would the best place be User talk:ClueBot Commons, or Help talk:Archiving a talk page, or Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines? I was unsure where to suggest. And second, I was heading to bed and wanted to see if someone could de-escalate the developing edit war before a 3RR block might occur (which wasn't going to help anyone).
- I appreciate everyone taking a look; but does anyone have a suggestion for a board where the IP could better address their archive-bot concerns? --- Barek(talk • contribs) - 18:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Since I am addressed in one thread above I noticed this one quarrel, and stopped by there too, to suggest the "minthreadsleft"-parameter. This seems to please the IP! So I think the rather aggressive tone this IP usually employs should not be mirrored by admins, talking about "chaps" on which they will have "an eye" on with the threat of a block as danaos dona ferentes. BTW, activating an archiver should also bee accorded. Was it?
- ... and yes, I added the template on IP's talk, too. Purgy (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm going through the AIV backlog now. Sorry nobody was around, Bugs. With this Symbol chap, there hasn't been any edits in several hours and nobody's left him a talk page warning, so ordinarily that would not get a block via AIV. I'll keep an eye on him, though. A Traintalk 12:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
BLP violations on Sholam Weiss
A new user, Lexjuris has been making edits to Sholam Weiss which violate WP:BLP. He has removed information which was sourced and is adding information that is not sourced. In two instances the information he has added the ref just says "ibid" and in one place he added a blank ref tag with nothing in it. I have attempted to post on his talk page asking him to not make these edits however he continues to make them. Thanks - GalatzTalk 00:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Reverted, told user to use the talk page and warned not to repeat edits. --NeilN talk to me 01:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- If someone (patient) wants to help the user out on their talk page it would be appreciated. --NeilNtalk to me 04:31, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I was a patient for a while, but the doctors say I'm not dangerous anymore, so would I qualify for the job? EEng 05:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- After that pun, the very least you can do is go help. --NeilNtalk to me 05:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I was a patient for a while, but the doctors say I'm not dangerous anymore, so would I qualify for the job? EEng 05:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Ziebardt
| Indeffed by NeilN. --Neutralitytalk 05:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Needs to be indefinitely blocked for this explicit death threat against a named living person. Edit should be revdeled. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:02, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
WMF emailed just in case. --NeilN talk to me 05:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
As someone who knows this sock well (to the point of silly and fruitless Twitter-stalking against me), this is yet another sock of Hypocritepedia (talk · contribs) going by how they always seem to hit the Tsarnaev article in the way they do (this earlier edit is also hitting sirens; they're always attacking left/right-wing radical BLPs). Tagging appropriately, and keeping on the lookout for sleepers. Nate • (chatter) 05:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Disclosed his/her intention to violate the Terms of Use
| Nothing actionable. They've made three edits to en.wiki, none of which reaches sanctionable actions. Any actions they take on Commons, Commons can deal with. If they become disruptive here, report again. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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AshFriday has disclosed his/her intention to violate the Terms of Use of the Wikimedia Foundation through violating the policies of en.wiki, namely, WP:SOAP and WP:CENSOR, as explained at WP:ACTIVIST. I quote from his/her own Commons user page: "Planning to clean up en.Wiki and Commons of copyright vios and smut." I.e. remove smut from en.wiki, which is a clear violation of WP:CENSOR. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- He can say what he pleases about our policies-we have to judge by his actions. DGG ( talk ) 01:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, good to know. Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- He can say what he pleases about our policies-we have to judge by his actions. DGG ( talk ) 01:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- No action needed. AshFriday has, frankly, stated an intent to do a good thing: Clean up copyvios (unquestionably a good thing) and get rid of content that violates COM:PORN. And though he characterizes the latter as "smut", his actions at Commons in my view show a great hit rate on images that should be deleted as violating COM:PENIS (i.e., random low-quality dick pics). —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that you're right, but it could be beginner's luck: if he/she really wants to carry out his/her plan, he/she will get into hot water. Tgeorgescu (talk) 04:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
God forbid that someone wants to show some good editorial judgement here and remove gratuitous sexual images that contribute in no way towards our mission. Someone fetch me the smelling salts! Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC).
- Ah, before we place a laurel wreath on his head, let's see what, exactly, he means by "smut". WP:CENSOR exists for a reason. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did not draft WP:CENSOR, but now that it is part of WP:PAGs I take it seriously. Tgeorgescu (talk) 06:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Harassment
| (non-admin closure) User indeffed for repeated personal attacks. --Jprg1966 (talk) 13:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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The user Sardinaalabarbacoa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) ignited a harrasment against me because reverted an article. This user is blocked in three projects for bad behaviour and insults. --Taichi (talk) 06:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- And he continues... --Taichi (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unacceptable behavior. 1, 2, 3. — JJMC89(T·C) 07:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've applied a 72 hour block. Frankly I wouldn't require a lot of convincing to support an indef block but I'll leave a message on the user's talk page and see how that goes. A Traintalk 07:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, their unblock request does not look promising. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 07:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ec) I was edit-conflicted while leaving a message by the user's unblock request, wherein they continue their campaign against Taichi. I won't review the unblock request myself for propriety's sake, but my recommendation to the admin who does would be to just extend Sardine BBQ's block to indef. A Traintalk 07:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I will likely deny talk page access and decline the unblock. Checking. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Having reviewed his edits, it would be reasonable to indef block as nothere. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've applied a 72 hour block. Frankly I wouldn't require a lot of convincing to support an indef block but I'll leave a message on the user's talk page and see how that goes. A Traintalk 07:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unacceptable behavior. 1, 2, 3. — JJMC89(T·C) 07:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
MehrdadFR
- MehrdadFR (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) Editor keeps reverting a NPOV on the Women_in_Iran page without reaching consensus, vandal has already been warned and reported here several times, some instances of vandalism on this page are listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=805391898 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=796529779 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=744017864 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=743981069 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=743978458 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=741580560 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=722621053 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=721929106 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=721923207 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Women_in_Iran&oldid=817097872
This vandal is ideologically motivated, they have also been blocked from the following pages in the past: Hijab_by_country, United_Against_Nuclear_Iran, Anti-Iranian_sentiment, Irreligion_in_Iran, and Discrimination_against_atheists. As well as making unsourced edits and removing sourced edits on scores of other iran related pages (see users talk page).
12usn12 (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am copying the above from here as per my offer. There may be something to look at here given MehrdadFR's past warnings and sanctions. --NeilN talk to me 14:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
The tone of Snooganssnoogans
I have been trying to improve immigration to Sweden recently (controversial topic), things were going fine and we had a civil discussion until user:Snooganssnoogans showed up. Instead of engaging in the discussion he started edit warring, being rude on the talk page of Talk:Immigration to Sweden as well as Talk:Immigration to the United States. He does not seek to balance the article, but instead try to push on view on the subject. Furthermore if you look at his user page he actively boast about upsetting user of a different perspective and I think that is tone and attitude towards other users is not in line with community standards. Instead of trying to improve the crime section he tries to blank it with a biased text that fits his views on the subject.
He has made it clear that he is not looking to get a neutral view on the subject, by demonstrating an aversion towards Sweden Democrats and Tino Sanandaji.
P.S. There is also a dispute regarding a reference to a self published, but peer reviewed book, where should we go to settle this?
Best regards, Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 11:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- For the book, WP:RSN for a quick and concise answer, follow the instructions at the top. The name/location of the source, article its to be used in, the information used in the article the source is to support. -edit- Oh its Tino, I remember this. See RSN archive here under Crime in Sweden. I'm assuming the self-published work is Massutmaning. If you start a new discussion at RSN try and keep it simple as to what it is being used to source. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- There are three points I want to make:
- (1) When User:Immunmotbluescreen says that I don't want to "seek the balance", what the user has in mind is an example of WP:FALSEBALANCE. The text that User:Immunmotbluescreen objects to is long-standing text from Immigration and crime that was recently imported to Immigration to Sweden. The text is extensively well-sourced (half the sources are scholarly publications and the rest are high-quality news sources).
- (2) My alleged aversion towards Sweden Democrats and Tino Sanandaji is because I removed an analysis published by the Sweden Democrats (a far-right political party in Sweden) and a self-published book by Tino Sanandaji. These sources do not belong on Wikipedia, as they are not WP:RS (try imagining someone adding an analysis of immigration by the Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign to pages related to American immigration).
- (3) User:Immunmotbluescreen, who was reverted by three different users, has done the same revert on five occasions within 24 hrs (mass-removal of reliably sourced text) and re-introduced Tino Sanandaji's self-published books on seven occasions within 24 hrs. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Immunobluescreen has now progressed to saying that Snooganssnoogans and Iryna Harpy are making "troll edits" [193], and rejecting advice from an uninvolved editor (me) with a "stop playing in my sandbox" comment [194]. Unless someone with a hammer lays a serious warning on them, I think they're heading for a block. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean by a hammer? This is a new one. (I only just worked out what canvassing is... :( ) TomBarker23 (talk) 13:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I guess Beyond My Ken is referring to a banhammer... so someone wielding a hammer here would be an admin ;) –FlyingAce✈hello 14:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly. Sorry if I was being too opaque. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well it's better than when you're being a pane in the glass. EEng 07:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ooooooo... Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well it's better than when you're being a pane in the glass. EEng 07:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly. Sorry if I was being too opaque. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
User Fisted Rainbow - Conflict of Interest
| Promotional editing is bad. When combined with WP:OWN, personal attacks and edit warring, it is worse. When the editor concerned is interested only in a single topic where they have a vested interest, it becomes clear that they are WP:NOTHERE. I ave indefinitely blocked Fisted Rainbow. Guy (Help!) 22:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Fisted Rainbow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I would like to request User Fisted Rainbow is blocked from the page Earthcore for WP:COI reasons. He has freely admitted he is the owner of the Earthcore Festival here on the article's talk page, in this section [[195]] but frequently edits the page to remove negative comments about it. The page had controversies section, which in the past, he has completely removed. He is currently trying to remove some negative press for the festival. This issue has been questioned before by a number of editors, and has been going on for some years, however, I believe it hasn't been brought to the attention of the admins. He has been editing the page to present the article in the best light. Checking his contributions, it appears to be the only page he edits. As per wikipedia policy, I have asked him if he in a COI with this page, and he has said he is not, even though he admitted it in the talk page for Earthcore, above. Thanks. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I looked at the link you provided, and read the text there three times, but I don't see where Fisted Rainbow admitted to owning the festival or otherwise having a COI:
What am I missing? Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)Why in your list of articles above there is not a single article you have listed that provides balance like the following one http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/earthcore-festival-accuses-artists-keeping-money-refusing-play/ amongst numerous other articles that provide balance.
You claim you are trying to be balanced yet here we are with you only posting links to one side of a story. Its clear you have a conflict of interest as you are obsessed about this topic and refusing to allow the article to have balance.
You are also using "facebook" posts and other non credible stories as "proof". At no stage can you provide a factual story that lists your claim that 32 acts did not perform let alone 32 acts not performing and not being paid. Get your facts right and show balance or admit you have a alterior motive to skwere article in one perspective. Cease starting a edit war and discuss here so we can work on a balanced article.
- Sorry Beyond My Ken - there is a lot to read through on that page, I should have made it easier. User Fisted Rainbow writes two posts in the talk page, controversies section, (you need to open the green extended content bar to see it) [[196]] signing off as "Spiro Boursine" and "Spiz". Spiro Boursine is the owner of Earthcore, as indicated in this article [[197]] (and you can just do Google searches for Earthcore and "Spiro Boursine" to confirm that)Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- (First Quote)"Here we go again. Yawn........ For starters The Sphongle tour had nothing whatsoever to do with the Earthcore festival of which the article isn't written about so therefore Cognitive's arguement trying to include something that has no relevance to the Earthcore festival is a no brainer and not even worth discussing any further. The tour (NOT EARTHCORE) he is discussing tour was cancelled and refunds were made for that "concert" and no legal action happened by any parties. If cognitive disident can provide a valid link that shows that 1. Sphongle (live) was performing at a Earthcore festival in 2008 or 2009 then by all means please show all of us. 1.5 That the article above (via the age) is not written about Earthcore in anyway. The drug overdoses DID not happen at Earthcore and therefore have no bearing on Earthcore. 2. Show any documented legal action that was taken (ie court order etc etc) in the regards to <snipped to reduce length> What really is pathetic is the fact Earthcore is no more anyway in the first place and stopped over 2 years ago. Cognitive is flogging a dead horse and getting a mental erection from it I am assuming or as I said is a rival promoter afraid that we will be re entering the market which unfortunately for him we already have and will be putting on events in his region (his market) very very shortly. Could someone with some editing skills please include the artists I have listed above be added the artists who have played at Earthcore please ? With thanks and happy new year everyone !! Spiro Boursine (See Cognitive how easy it is to put your full name behind what one says ? ):-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fisted Rainbow (talk • contribs) 04:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)"
- (Second Quote)::::"Mr Anonymous - I find it rather amusing that you continue to hide your identity yet make claims that you volunteered at my events. Due to the fact you continue to not put your actual name to your claims your words mean absolutely nothing to me yet your motives present themselves as clear as a blue sky. You are a rival promoter who has vainly attempted to personally discredit me and my old festival. If you really really feel like flogging the dead horse then why not start or add a Shpongle tour wiki subject and say that we(I) failed to get them over to australia or whatever rocks your boat and makes you happy. (Removed personal contact details due to recent harassment by Cognitive Disident 60.242.37.151 (talk) 04:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC) I have nothing to hide nor am I what you think I am. Cheers Spiz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fisted Rainbow (talk • contribs) 03:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)"
- (EC)...What's more, Deathlibrarian's post on that talk page ends with "btw I'm totally not connected with this group". So we have an editor who claims to have no connection with a group despite not being asked about such, edit warring, and then falsly reporting other editors for COI? Um... boomerang? --Tarage (talk) 00:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- ...On second viewing, based on the above, there does appear to be a COI. I stand corrected. --Tarage (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah ... I was confused myself, but this is the main diff, I think. Black Kite (talk) 00:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'd love to hear from Fisted Rainbow, since the above diff seems pretty damning. --Tarage (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Apologies, the section is hard to read, I should have posted the excerpt straight off to make it easier. You may note Cognitive Dissident also noted this as a COI *6 years ago*, but admins weren't notified. Better late than never, I guess!!!! Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Quote from Earthcore talk page) - "Mr Boursine: I have no interest in "contacting you personally". why would I? I have no interest in you or your organisation. you continually trot out the line "rival promoter" yet have no evidence for it. A slanderous approach and against the rules of wikipedia.* I don't understand why you are allowed to edit the wiki page of an organisation that you started, thats conflict of interest, and, again, against the ethics of wikipedia.* I also draw exception to your intimation that i have added falicious information to this article. all i did was wikify an article that was (poorly) written in the form of a self-aggrandising personally essay. any information in the body of the article that you claim to be false has not been removed in the several months that this argument has dragged out. you are welcome to add or modify information, as you said you would, but it hasn't been forthcoming; leading me to believe that your main interest is not historical record but protection of your (as you so strongly point out, now defunct) "brand name". Also, do yoiu think I would be stupid enough to name myself when you have shown your passion for threatening litigation time and again? This is a public encyclopedia, to be edited by the public, for the public. welcome to the 21st century. (By the way: sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "rival promoter!" is not an argument, its a tantrum.)I'm curious why you have edited the rainbow serpent page when you have such a strong moral veiw on "rival promoters" editing wiki articles? Awaiting your forthcoming vitriole with baited breath :) Cognitive Dissident (talk) 11:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)"
- Apologies, the section is hard to read, I should have posted the excerpt straight off to make it easier. You may note Cognitive Dissident also noted this as a COI *6 years ago*, but admins weren't notified. Better late than never, I guess!!!! Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'd love to hear from Fisted Rainbow, since the above diff seems pretty damning. --Tarage (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah ... I was confused myself, but this is the main diff, I think. Black Kite (talk) 00:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- ...On second viewing, based on the above, there does appear to be a COI. I stand corrected. --Tarage (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- All of the above aside, maybe I've just been on the Internet too long, but the username "Fisted Rainbow" raises my eyebrow just a little in the direction of WP:U... - The Bushranger One ping only 01:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- It definitely has a certain odor about it, but perhaps not strong enough to justify action? Unless, of course, the phrase has some underground meaning that I'm not aware of. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- It could be referring to this. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:40, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Might also be a reference to Rainbow Serpent Festival, a very similar Australian festival. Black Kite (talk) 02:18, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Re my username. Now you are going being paranoid. The username is what I use for playing poker and general chat on the internet and no form of bizarre conspiracy. Please cease attempting to divert from the issues presented which is very far from questioning my innocent username. Fisted Rainbow (talk) 02:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is no conspiracy or paranoia. There's a name that looks a lot like it could be a violation of the username policy, so it's going to be discussed. There's a lot of usernames you can use anywhere else on the Internet that are not acceptable on Wikipedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've dropped a hand-rolled notice on their talk page about WP:COI, WP:PROMO, WP:Casting aspersions and WP:NPA. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have broken no Wiki policies for starters and have attempted to put forward a balanced article which quotes two sides to a story and have been constantly threatened by Deathlibrarian to forbid this from happening. Deathlibrarian's stubborness to allow two sides of a story shows "bias". I even went as far as posting on his talk page a balanced suggestion with footnotes to the article of which he has ignored. Instead Death Librarian prefers to make threats and ignore common sense. Fisted Rainbow (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Fisted Rainbow responded on my talk page:
So, instead of taking my comments to heart and adjusting his own behavior, FR chose to cast more aspersions and make claims that have no validity at all. (I've never heard of Deathlibrarian before.) He appears to be heading straight for a block. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)I have done exactly that. Made suggestions on Death Librarian's talk page for a fair and balanced article. If he doesn't allow 2 sides to be submitted into the article I am sure there will be others that will also put the same forward. It's clear you are a personal friend of Deathlibrarian and therefore simply bullying me and not being impartial Fisted Rainbow (talk) 02:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Also you have failed to carefully read the talk page of the article about the use of credible sources and other issues that are all in support of my suggested edits.
Using your personal bias here is def a breach of Wiki polices so I suggest you change your path here.
- Fisted Rainbow responded on my talk page:
- I've apologised for casting asperations claims direct on Beyond My Ken talk page. Won't happen again however why is Death Librarian not allowing the following counter claim to be placed on the article in question ? Why in your list of articles above there is not a single article you have listed that provides balance like the following one http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/earthcore-festival-accuses-artists-keeping-money-refusing-play/ amongst numerous other articles that provide balance. Fisted Rainbow (talk) 02:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- AN/I is a venue for discussing behavioral problems to be considered for action by admins, it is not the place to discuss content disputes. The proper place for that is on the article talk page, where a WP:CONSENSUS of editors decides what can and cannot be included in the article. Please take your arguments there. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:00, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know its not relevant here, but I've added that content on behalf of Fisted Rainbow, and noted it on the talk page for the article. Also Thanks Beyond My Ken,Tarage and Black Kite for dealing with this. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Editor needs a much sterner warning than I am capable of giving. I'm out. --Tarage (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- One last thing, I encourage anyone and everyone to check out Fisted Rainbow's latest contributions which are bludgeoning at this point. This needs to stop. --Tarage (talk) 04:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I can't help but notice that FR wrote this as their first edit. They went on to briefly edit war ([198], [199]) disparaging comments on the talk page of Boing! said Zebedee, and followed up with making personal attacks against them. Note that this was entirely within their first 24 hours on this site. Several months later, FR was involved in an ANI thread in which they issued a legal threat, which they later retracted in a logged-out edit. Another few months later, FR was back to casting aspersions on JamesBWatson. After this, FR fell quiet for several years. After beginning to edit the article again in December of 2017, they quickly found themselves back at another editor's talk page, making more personal attacks. Since then, as other have pointed out, they have been a few bludgeoning other editors with personal attacks and aspersions.
- I see some common threads in here. First is the obvious battleground mentality. Second is a propensity for presuming to dictate what other people think or feel to them, or what other people mean by what they say (accepting "apologies" that were never made, expressing mock sympathy for editors feeling "pressured", etc, etc). Finally, is the on-again, off-again nature. If you read the content discussions, you will see that each time this editor stop editing for a while, they had recently gotten their way on content.
- So from examining that, what I see is an editor who is only here to ensure that WP says what they want it to say about a single subject from which they profit, in the way they want it said and who does this through combative tactics including personal attacks, the casting of aspersions and even threats of legal action. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 06:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Fisted Rainbow
| User has illustrated a continuing combative approach, but hasn't done anything after the last unblock request was declined. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- User talk:Fisted Rainbow
- Fisted Rainbow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Time to remove TP access yet? Guy (Help!) 18:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Using the unblock template for wikilawyering isn't a good sign. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 19:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Fisted Rainbow is a truly alarming username. EEng 19:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thankfully, the user page does not contain any illustrations. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- <hurries off to create an illustration> ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Please revoke talkpage access
| TPA revoked. –Davey2010Talk 21:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Benson tan at work was blocked for making legal threats. After continuously mentioning lawyers again, they're now using their talkpage to write an autobiography, despite warning not to. See Special:Diff/819324417. Please revoke TPA. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Talk page access revoked. Alex Shih (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Funnily enough the person who opened this thread got blocked soon after. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)Comment reconsidered --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)- @Emir of Wikipedia: It's not that funny, please re-consider your comment. Alex Shih (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Bangladeshi editor
মাখামাখি (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is an editor, presumably Bangladeshi, who has been creating a vast number of new articles, many of which have no evidence of notability. He/she has been warned, for example at User_talk:মাখামাখি#Kindly stop, but continues with the same problems. Among other problems he/she was repeatedly copying within Wikipedia without attribution, despite having been warned & having the process for attribution (and for splitting where applicable) explained to him/her. He/she was also warned about trying to use IMDB as a reliable source, but again continues despite the warning. A number of editors have given warnings, but these are all ignored. I fear that a block may be necessary. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
He is also creating new categories with only one article, so of doubtful value. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Check that I've already corrected all the language issues in the film articles and I've added Bangladeshi editor category to another article Abul Khair (actor) who earned 26th Bangladesh National Film Awards for best editing (see inside the article). I'm new here, so I made a lot of mistakes. I think you should forgive me now. মাখামাখি (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- As a new editor you ought to read the advice which you have been given by more experienced editors, and take notice, rather than merely deleting the warnings. I see that you are still creating numerous new articles, most of which are considered (by various editors) not to have evidence of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ravi Shaw, created 7 days ago, uses http://bollywoodcelebfacts.com/ravi-shaw/ as its only reference. Taken from the bottom of that page is " Note: We provided you all available detail of Ravi Shaw. All Above information is collected from different sources such as Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter and different news channels & big magazines so we do not liable for any inaccuracy." thats pretty much textbook bad sourcing, yet you defended the article against deletion, claiming this as a reliable source just earlier today on the talk page. Both your edits to the Abul Khair (actor) article were reverted, because you did not reference them. I started editing June last year, same as you, and I have only created one article, but there are plenty of things to do here. You need to slow down, and stop creating articles until you read, understand and follow WP:RS. Until then, you are just making work for other people to clean up. Curdle (talk) 14:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
COI editing on Victoria Jackson page
The actress Victoria Jackson just announced on her facebook page that she edited her wikipedia page to remove "bias" and implied a desire for her fans to help out. We might want to have recent edits scrutinized and semi-protect the page. --T1980 (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Recent changes by subject. Only in death does duty end (talk) 17:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have temporarily blocked the account, and left the instruction for the user to confirm their identity through OTRS ticket. Alex Shih (talk) 17:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Glad to see the username Ukulelegal isn't being interpreted as "xxxx LEGAL" and everyone going nuts about legal threats as usual. EEng 18:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is legal for a gal to play a ukele, EEng. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Block him! He said legal!EEng 18:29, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Uh-huh, uh-huh, he said "legal"... - The Bushranger One ping only 01:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Block him! He said legal!EEng 18:29, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- This has high potential to get ugly. Political activism + entertainment/celebrity. Jytdog (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Become Famus [my company], Get your WikiPedia Page at 85% off
| It might say something that when I saw this header I first read it as "Become Faunus". Regardless, this looks to be done and done. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC) |
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I got an email solicitation today from (Redacted). Among other things, she offered me:
Rhadow (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)What do we propose? We will take you and your business truly global with a place on the world’s largest online encyclopedia, taking you instantly to the top of your league! It might look like a simple page on Wikipedia but here is what you really need to know to understand the real power of Wiki.
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- Their website is already down (suspended by their webhost), so someone seems to have acted fast on this... - Tom Thomas.W talk 15:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Their website is up again, so I posted some info about the site at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cooperation/Paid_editor_help. - TomThomas.W talk 19:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe for the full price they'll run a spell-check. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Offensive sectarian vandalism edit should be deleted by admin
| Revdel done by Maile66. Nothing else to do here. (non-admin closure) —MRD2014 Talk 22:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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A user called "UnrepentantFenian1916" (a username which suggests an Irish nationalist bias) has been blocked indefinitely for offensive edits on players of Rangers F.C., a club with a British unionist ideology. Most of these edits have been deleted by admins. However, one edit here has not been. The edit mocks Nacho Novo, a former Rangers player, over his heart attack yesterday. As Mr Novo has been subject to death threats from similar people recently, this horrific edit should be deleted straight away. Harambe Walks (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
LTA sockpuppet
| Tossed in the dryer. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Could an administrator please revoke talk access for this LTA sockpuppet who since he's blocked apparently now believes that his talk page is the place to go. Not notifying user as there's no point. Thanks. Home Lander (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Done. I'm tired of cleaning up after his hoaxes, and we don't need even more in user space. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Sweet Caroline editing
| (Non-admin closure) Content disputes don't belong on ANI; take this to the article talk page or perhaps WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Hello, I was searching the Neil Diamond song "Sweet Caroline" and I noticed two users, ( Piriczki and Binksternet), had changed the official release date of the song from the correct date of "September 16th, 1969" to a date of June 1969... I changed it back and explained why on the talk page, but they are relying on obscure references and sources other than Neil Diamond himself such as here:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/20/usa.musicnews
http://societyofrock.com/neil-diamond-serenades-the-crowd-with-sweet-caroline-live-2/
The June date that is constantly being changed to is incorrect based on the words of Neil Diamond himself who was interviewed by the Associated Press, The Guardian and Daily Mail. Mr. Diamond revealed that that OFFICIAL release date was September 16th, 1969. Apparently, the song must have been given to some local markets prior to that date where it started to actually chart on Billboard... However, the actual official release date was September 16th, 1969 per Neil Diamond himself in the above sources.
I have attempted to be reasonable with this and yet these users will not rely on the Associated Press affiliates like The Guardian, Society of Rock, etc.
I will post this to both users' Talk page.
Thanks for your help in this. Weintzer (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hello, Weintzer. You are describing a routine content dispute and this noticeboard does not get involved with content disputes. Discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- However, Weintzer is engaged in an edit war to restore his preferred wording. That is a conduct issue. I've warned him on his talk page. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- You are correct, SarekOfVulcan. I am now involved because I have expressed an opinion on the content dispute. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
It is a mistake...I am in Baxter Tennessee, which is miles from Crossville and a different county. Weintzer (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Looking for the song in Newspapers.com (a pay site), I see a reference to Neil Diamond's "Sweet Caroline" on a Top 40 type of chart dated June 27, 1969. Looking a little further, the earliest reference I'm seeing to the song on a chart is June 14, 1969. So it would seem that a September release date is incorrect. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the date in the sources provided above was based on what our article said at the time; the ideal should be to try and verify the September date from sources published before it was added to our article. Alternatively, I suppose it's possible there's some odd convention in the music industry for what "release date" means, though it being charted well before that September date would seem to indicate the single was on sale then. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 18:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Herodium and Malik Shabaz
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Recently an edit was made to Herodium, which has since been reverted by to editors, but Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) insists on his preferred version despite the clear lack of consensus (as shown both from the reverts and on the talkpage). Please stop this editor. Debresser (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, you both appear to be gaming the 24 hour 1RR restriction on this article and claiming consensus. Regardless, this is inevitably a content dispute and therefore probably doesn't belong at ANI. Black Kite (talk) 19:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is a difference -- I acknowledge that the two of us are edit-warring, and Debresser thinks that only one of us is (and it's not him). See his behavior at B'Tselem as well. Calling your preferred version "the consensus version" doesn't make it so. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 20:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am not gaming anything. I strictly refrain from editing within 24 hours.
- As to your point. I beg to differ. An editor who ignores the burden to establish a consensus for a change is a behavioral problem. Debresser (talk) 20:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Have you (a) read WP:ARBPIA or (b) looked in a mirror recently? — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 20:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean "I am not gaming anything. I strictly refrain from editing within 24 hours." One doesn't follow the other. Do you understand what Wikipedia:Gaming the system is? As Wikipedia:Edit warring explains, making a revert just outside the time period is often considered gaming. OTOH, reverting within the disallowed the time period (without any exception applying) is not gaming, it's a clear violation. So while it's good if you aren't editing in clear violation, this tells us nothing about whether you are gaming. Remember that the bright line rule is a strict limit and not intended to be some sort of right.
Also both sides should be aiming to achieve consensus for what the article says. WP:BRD generally means the norm is that something stays as it was if both sides feel strongly enough about the issue. But it doesn't mean only one party should be attempting to achieve consensus. If you're approaching things from the POV that my version is right because it's older, rather than trying to achieve a wording which has consensus the moment it's clear there's resonable dispute, this does not reflect well on you.
Ultimately if both sides keep edit warring, either the article will be locked (with no preference to any version per WP:WRONGVERSION) or everyone is likely to be sanctioned for edit warring. There are of course exceptions like for WP:BLP and WP:ENGVAR issues.
- @Nil Einne What you say comes down to: if one or two editors insist long enough on their version, they can ignore the normal rules of inclusion of material on Wikipedia. Wikipedia must insist that editors abide by its rules, and one of them is that articles can not be changed if there is no consensus for that change. Now please enforce that. You may have noticed that other editors on the talkpage have also mentioned the [{WP:BURDEN]] and WP:WAIT issues of Malik et al at the above-mentioned B'Tselem article, see this edit. Debresser (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Still haven't read WP:BURDEN yet, have you Debresser? It doesn't say what you think it says. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Nil Einne What you say comes down to: if one or two editors insist long enough on their version, they can ignore the normal rules of inclusion of material on Wikipedia. Wikipedia must insist that editors abide by its rules, and one of them is that articles can not be changed if there is no consensus for that change. Now please enforce that. You may have noticed that other editors on the talkpage have also mentioned the [{WP:BURDEN]] and WP:WAIT issues of Malik et al at the above-mentioned B'Tselem article, see this edit. Debresser (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've protected the page while this lame edit war is sorted out. It is a content dispute which should be handled like any other. I have provided Debresser with policy guidance on their talk page, in response to their false claims of "consensus". Swarm ♠ 08:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Mass-templating as belonging to a Science Series
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I am convinced that the extent of inserting {{Science}} in all the articles listed at LearnMore's contributions exceeds rational bounds. I suggest some mass measures, perhaps of reverting. Purgy (talk) 16:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) Have you tried discussing it? Going from a few reverts to an ANI report may be considered a bit steep. Kleuske (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- First, this is not about about a few reverts, this is about mass templating.
- Second, I regret if this complaint, the remedy of which I consider to be way beyond reasonable efforts on non-admin level, is here at the wrong place.
- Third, I humbly ask for closing and archiving this thread, since I am not interested in discussing this at any level, I just wanted to turn administrative attention to a process I consider deteriorating the encyclopedia. Purgy (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- First, this is not about about a few reverts, this is about mass templating.
Suspected automated edits to Wikipedia main space and talk pages with blank templates
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It seems that the user Thsmi002 is editing Wikipedia with an automated program to add to the edit counts. Most of the edits are spaced within a minute of each other Special:Contributions/Thsmi002 and does not seem to demonstrate any real purpose. All the edits in the Mainspace insert the template Authority Control. Most of the edits has been flagged as suspected Vandalism, but since the number of edits is very large I wanted to bring this to the ANI for investigation & suitable action as I suspect misuse. Hagennos (talk) 06:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see any problems. I suggest you go to Thsmi's talk page and raise any issues you have there. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- They don’t look like automated edits. The template should be in the articles, according to Template:Authority control#Description. Peter James (talk) 06:48, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Its of variable usefulness. Because it draws its content from wikidata the reliability is suspect in the first place. When it is accurate, it may not add any information that is useful to a reader - one example being on biographies where it has entries on writer databases for people who have never written anything. On the other hand it can be very useful on a biography for someone who has legitimate entries on a number of databases. What it shouldn't be is automatically added to a Wikipedia article without each entry on the AC being verified first. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am not editing using an automated program. I was adding WikiProject Women and the Authority Control template to articles about women that were missing them. I was also adding categories, photo requested, FSS, and annual readership. It is part of my interest in Women in Red to improve articles and their talk pages. I think this is evident in many of my contributions. I had no idea my edits were flagged as suspected vandalism. Thank you. Thsmi002 (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Hydrangea1 and Sarah Phillips (fashion designer)
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Hydrangea1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User repeatedly removing swathes of content and COI/other maintenance tags at Sarah Phillips (fashion designer) without discussion, despite warnings. Any assistance appreciated. Note there have been COI issues/paid editing concerns at this article since it was created by blocked editor Jeremy112233. Thanks. -- Begoon 07:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Intimidating words and improper editing by User:Malik Shabazz
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While I haven't visited this board in a long time, seeing this morning a message that possibly amounts to a clear Wikipedia:Harassment violation on my talk page brought me here. User:Malik Shabazz threatened that if I continue contributing to Wikipedia (in what only he perceived was non-neutrality) then "things will not end well for [me]". Admins, please see for yourself, this is how the sentence ended, as a general intimidation. I ask that he states clearly what he means by that as I want to make sure the threat is focused on Wikipedia (which still does not make it okay, but at least should be resolved here).
This happened following the user's misconduct on the article Hillel Neuer, after he deleted and redirected that long and well-sourced article without any discussion or consensus(!), and when other users undid him, he reverted them 3 times in slightly over 24 hours, using another account of his his, User:MShabazz. (Again, take a minute to see for yourself. When that wasn't successful for said user, he proposed it for deletion. Shortly after, two anonymous IP addresses jumped into the article's deletion discussion in favor of deleting and redirecting, which a user reverted just now since they apparently had no permission/didn't meet the standards to do so, but that may be a different issue). Shalom11111 (talk) 09:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Threatened"...sure. You seem to be misrepresenting the chain of events. Malik's edits were based on Drmiesinitial redirect months ago. Two SPAs (wonder who they belong to) who couldn't make edits to the article in the first place attempted to overrule Drmies; Malik, or any other editor with requirements met, should/could revert them as soon as possible. So, in reality, Malik only reverted the page once -- well within discretion -- and then sent it to AFD. I think you should close this now.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 10:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The user used intimidating language - and this is not the first time coming from him though I'm undecided at the moment whether to provide additional examples - and he should clarify it. Dealing with such issues is exactly what this forum is for and it's important for the Wiki community. Malik Shabazz's repeated revets, and deletion/redirect of that article, even if some user did it months earlier, were not right for the reasons explained above. Shalom11111 (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Shalom11111, please read WP:ASPERSIONS. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The user used intimidating language - and this is not the first time coming from him though I'm undecided at the moment whether to provide additional examples - and he should clarify it. Dealing with such issues is exactly what this forum is for and it's important for the Wiki community. Malik Shabazz's repeated revets, and deletion/redirect of that article, even if some user did it months earlier, were not right for the reasons explained above. Shalom11111 (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see why you brought this here. If you really need clarification you should ask Malik Shabazz directly, but really it's silly to think that the comment was intended to be a suggestion of off-wikipedia action since it's something people say all the time. Nil Einne (talk) 11:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Including on Wikipedia. It's nothing more than an overused slang expression. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The comment pointed at discretionary sanctions or some such thing--the place where POV editors frequently end up. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW I admit after reading the pointless complaint about "things will not end well" I sort of glossed over the complaint about editing. Maybe there is something there. But at the very least, I feel my comment applies to the first part of this complaint and it also serves as an important reminder why you should not bring silly stuff to ANI, especially if you should have at least talked to the editor first. People tend to ignore the rest even if there's something actually there. Nil Einne (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- That said even editing misconduct needs to either be serious or sustained to have any real chance of administrative action. Now that I've read it a bit better, the description here is anything but. For starters, EW issues should be dealt with at WP:AN/EW. But realistically if an article or the editor aren't isn't on 1RR and someone reverts 3 times (not 4) in over 24 hours a single time, sanction is very unlikely since they haven't broken the bright line 3RR by both counts. And remember, WP:BRD means there's a good chance there's is even anything wrong with the first edit. Nil Einne (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Mike Littlejohn
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Mike Littlejohn(talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User talk:Mike Littlejohn (edit subject history links watch logs)
User has added nonsense on their talk page since being blocked for disruptive behavior. ToThAc (talk) 14:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- It can be annoying to see those edits, but it's his own talk page. See the guidelines on user talk pages. —JJBers 16:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Edit: It seems he deleted his block template, I restored it for him. —JJBers 16:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The guidelines do not permit any editor, blocked or unblocked, to post gibberish to their Talk page. I've removed it. If the editor persists, then TPA should be revoked.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- @JJBers Public: I didn't notice your restoration of the block template. In fact, he can remove the template, and you shouldn't have restored it.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, what Bbb says. See WP:BLANKING. I did remove some other garbage from the user's user page. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The guidelines do not permit any editor, blocked or unblocked, to post gibberish to their Talk page. I've removed it. If the editor persists, then TPA should be revoked.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Is there a kind of code / rule / habit that administrators have to answer or not ?
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Please dear administrators, is there a habit / code / rule or anything about having to reply ? By this, I mean, the editor who reported violation accusation against me (see above "Admitted meatpuppetry and proxy editing for blocked users") and to who I'm asking questions in good faith, does not answer to me. If I understood correctly, these 2 violations claims won't be keeped about me, but then, he added a third violation accusation "My concerns about meat and proxy have been addressed, but there remains WP:NOTHERE", once more, I answered him and asked question, but no answer so far. Should he answer me, or he is free not to ?
- As for en administrator who I disagree with (here I think about the administrator that told me my souce from Guardian was only "a brief mension" about Vanessa Beeley, which I think is wrong, and I told him so on my talk page), while he was justifying my article was an "attack page" because it was poorly sourced. He recognized he hadn't read (all ?) my sources before delting my article, (and neither before answering me). I think maybe he, or someone else, as there was an edit conflict, could have time to check with me or help me get an accepted article on the subject (I at once accepted to edit my article _ which I was trying to do already when it was deleted _ to remove sources not reliable enough, to follow advice, etc.).
Should he answer to me, or is he free not to ? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories
- I first didn't mean to insist that much, but on such a controversial subject (Vanessa Beeley, war propaganda about Syria, mass murder, etc.), it is a bit complicated to accept how it went :
- one editor edited many points on my article, added unreliable sources, reported me to an admin, and then didn't answer me again
- the administrator deleted my article at once, answered to me, but changed his mind about the reasons when I proved my good faith and gave him the sources(reasons were : lacked sources, then wrong source, then not enough notability, now "name drop" and "a brief mention" while Beeley's name is quoted 12 times in the Guardian and many paragraphs are about her !)
- these 3 violation accusations without any answer to me...
I don't want to look like a victim of paranoia (which I can easily become with all threats I have for sharing this kind of information outside Wikipedia), but I begin to doubt if it's really a normal and welcoming way to help people improve shared knowledge on Wikipedia, because similar articles were accepted and I was helped to improve them without any violation accusation, without being threatened of being blocked, without any doubt on my sufficient sources, while several administrators and editor read my article. So... would it be possible that some people on English Wikipedia would rather avoid this subject, I don't think so ? But then, why don't they help me or at least answer me ?M.A. Martin (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- As I already told you on one of the other threads you've opened about this particular topic, you're not being persecuted by admins. Wikipedia has clear rules about what we do and don't include, and your Vanessa Beeley article contained 36 sources, of which at most five were remotely reliable and the remainder were a mix of Twitter feeds, LinkedIn pages, Russian propaganda websites and assorted blogs, and the article itself was a hatchet-job in which more than 50% of the text was taken up with a "Controversy" section. Wikipedia isn't a Directory of Everything; we only repeat material which is directly sourced to reliable sources. (As a concrete example, you accused someone of being a war criminal indictable for crimes against humanity on the basis of a claim by someone who's own byline reads
EvoBio MSc student at RUG in Groningen, refugee solidarity volunteer, activist, political thinker
.) ‑ Iridescent 20:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)- That article just screams BLP violation. Your student from Groningen says in the opening sentence, "I just began reading around this topic today, so this is by no means conclusive but just beginnings of a reading list and some notes so far." What made you think you could ever cite that? Drmies (talk) 00:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- As I already told you on one of the other threads you've opened about this particular topic, you're not being persecuted by admins. Wikipedia has clear rules about what we do and don't include, and your Vanessa Beeley article contained 36 sources, of which at most five were remotely reliable and the remainder were a mix of Twitter feeds, LinkedIn pages, Russian propaganda websites and assorted blogs, and the article itself was a hatchet-job in which more than 50% of the text was taken up with a "Controversy" section. Wikipedia isn't a Directory of Everything; we only repeat material which is directly sourced to reliable sources. (As a concrete example, you accused someone of being a war criminal indictable for crimes against humanity on the basis of a claim by someone who's own byline reads
- (Non-administrator comment) As a general rule, the notability guidelines for journalists are higher than you would expect. Simply writing pieces in reliable sources doesn't count to meet the WP:GNG, and the relevant SNG (WP:JOURNALIST) is significantly more exclusive than, say, some of the sports SNGs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- This could be a case of coatracking. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:45, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
"Songs about..."
Just a heads-up that over the past couple of days, an anonymous IP has been fairly persistently making unsourced and illogical changes to various song articles, primarily but not exclusively by changing their "Songs about..." categories to things the songs definitely aren't about. By far the most common form was the addition of songs such as "Rolling in the Deep", "You Oughta Know" and "Look What You Made Me Do" to Category:Songs about domestic violence (which, er, no) — although there were other variants as well, such as adding "Since U Been Gone" to Category:Torch songs. I've temporarily editblocked the most recent incarnation and reverted most of the obvious WTFs, but as I don't have most of these songs watchlisted I only noticed it because they hit one that I did, so I just wanted to bring this to everybody else's attention as well in case it continues. Bearcat (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Seems to be 2601:248:C400:CF0::/64. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Martinevans123, does Light My Fire count as a torch song? EEng 09:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just as much as "Flashlight"... Binksternet (talk) 09:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, in the same way that PlentyMoreFish is about half a pound of smoked cod loin. Torchyevans123 (talk) 10:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC) {...or we could always ask The King... )
Whitewashing
It appears that Yessentuki4 (talk · contribs) thinks everything has Russian origins. I'm not sure if this is just WP:POINTy editing, nationalism gone amok, or some sort of misguided plot, but the editor has only made reasonably good edits to Antonov An-225 Mriya, and even those had to be reverted. There is clearly an agenda I suspect a block is in order. Walter Görlitz (talk) 09:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- It all looks good faith to me, though nationalistic, and buying pretty much exclusively into nationality by location of birth. There's certainly not a whole lot of it either. Yessentuki4 changed Arnault Tzanck's listed nationality to Russian (Tzanck is French but was born in Russia), marked Abraham Maslow's ethnicity as Russian Jew (which is probably not incorrect given his parents were Jews from Kiev), and marked Mykola Leontovych as a Russian composer in two articles because his place of birth was then in Russia (now Ukraine). I mean, I think it's good faith even if it's pretty clearly ethnonationalistic. My experience is that we usually give warnings and time to respond. Your only warning to Yessentuki4 was immediately followed by this thread, without giving him or her any time to respond or even to make any more edits. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 09:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Looks good-faith to me as well. In my experience, Russians often have difficulty on the topic of Russian nationality, because the nuanced difference between "русские" and "россияне" ("ethnically or culturally Russian" and "legally Russian") doesn't translate well. ‑ Iridescent 11:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is a pretty common thing with Eastern European articles, unfortunatly; sometimes it can be really hard to distinguish the good faith. It's best to try to correct first, though, before reaching for the squeaky-hammer of blocking. - The BushrangerOne ping only 11:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks to all for the clarification. I have sternly warned the subject. Perhaps someone could go and clarify that warning in a way that the subject may understand—I would do it, but it may seem as though I'm just piling-on—and then we can close this discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is a pretty common thing with Eastern European articles, unfortunatly; sometimes it can be really hard to distinguish the good faith. It's best to try to correct first, though, before reaching for the squeaky-hammer of blocking. - The BushrangerOne ping only 11:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Looks good-faith to me as well. In my experience, Russians often have difficulty on the topic of Russian nationality, because the nuanced difference between "русские" and "россияне" ("ethnically or culturally Russian" and "legally Russian") doesn't translate well. ‑ Iridescent 11:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Turkish air con is causing ANI trouble...
User:Turkish air con has been adding useless content to this very page. The thought of it! I still don't understand how diffs work, but all you need to do is click "edit history" right up there. The edits I've noticed have mostly been about how his car stopped working in the middle of the road. Why's that on ANI? Not to mention the swearing... Could we have an admin over here, please? TomBarker23 (talk) 14:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I already blocked them. Looks like the same vandal that had been posting nonsense on the page previously that lead to ANI being protected. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm going off to support the suggestion for a new ANI filter. TomBarker23 (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Just from the look of it, their content would have been better submitted to Not Always Right. --Auric talk 20:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Off-wiki legal discussion about an editor
| Sock blocked, if anyone thinks the link requires rev-deletion they know how, if anyone reporting an issue thinks it *may* require rev-deletion, please follow instructions at WP:REVDELREQUEST. Its pretty certain that this link has had far more publicity here on one of the most watched Wikipedia administration pages than it did on the page where it was originally posted. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)(non-admin closure) |
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I reverted this today which is a notification of this thread, started by a banned user. Can appropriate action be taken please. CassiantoTalk 10:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity you're asking for the editor who made that comment to be blocked as a sock of a banned editor? Nil Einne (talk) 10:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity, who cares what I'm "asking for"? I'm here to report a legal discussion against one of our editors by a banned user. What those with tools do with the evidence I have posted above is up to them. CassiantoTalk 11:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- My point is, if you're asking for the discussion to be revdeleted due to the external link, you've made things a lot more complicated by reposting it here as we will first need to redact it from your post, then revdelete any edit between when you first posted it, and when it was redacted. If you do not feel that the link has to be deleted, this is not an issue. I have left the link for now, since it remains unclear if you feel it should be revdeleted, but if you do, please either redact the link here yourself, or let someone else do it for you. That is one of a number of reasons why it matters what adminstrative action you're asking for, but probably the most important one as the longer the link remains here, the more that will need to be revdeleted. (As it stands, helped by the time I suspect, there have been no edits to this page other than by you and me relating to this. But it's unlikely this will be the case 12 hours from now.) Incidentally, it isn't simply up to administrators, the community can, and often does on a course of action rather than it simply being up to individual administrators (or even administrators as a group). Nil Einne (talk) 11:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think people should be using their own common sense rather acting upon mine. CassiantoTalk 11:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I am already using common sense. If I felt it needed to be revdeleted, I would have redacted the link myself. I did not do so since I do not feel it does. However you are entitled to your own POV, and if you feel it should be revdeleted, it would be better to redact now, while we as a community decide whether this is warranted. There's no much more I can do other than to offer advice on what should and should not happen.
Personally I feel that the best course of action would be to simply quietly block the editor assuming that it's clear they area sock by unilateral admin action, and then close this per WP:DENY. The evidence does look very strong even knowing next to nothing about the likely sockmaster, particularly [200] when combined with the various comments so frankly, if I had the administrative bit, I would have blocked the editor already while seeking clarification on what else you felt was warranted.But from the tone of your comments, you seem to think this is a much bigger deal than that. I'm not personally seeing any "legal discussion about an editor". All I saw is some silly commentary about what another editor should do, specifically suggesting that they should not take legal action but should instead do other stuff. However you apparently feel differently, so there's even more reason why I'm not a good judge of whether or not the link needs to be revdeleted or any other possible action. I mean from my POV it isn't even really an attack on any other editor, except maybe a silly broadside on anyone who commented in that ANI discussion, and a minor dig on the community as a whole.
However as said, as you seem to think the external discussion is a much bigger deal than that. But unless either you or someone who feels the same offers an explanation, there's little those of us who don't feel the same can do. And so in the absence of an admin feeling the same who happens to notice this discussion, I can't see anything is likely other than my suggested course of action. (I.E. A quite block and the closure of this thread.)
Or to put it a different way, common sense tells people like me that all we should do is what I already suggested. Since you seem to want something far more, we need some explanation of what your common sense tells you, or it's simply not going to happen. In which case, instead of this lengthy aside, this discussion could have been simply ended with a simple confirmation from you that's all that was desired while we wait for an admin to notice. Ultimately we are not mind readers, so we cannot know why your common sense told you it was such a big deal that wanted something undefined but far more unless you tell us since our common sense tells us something different.
In any case, my common sense tells me there's nothing more to be gained from engaging in this further. If and when you offer an explanation of what additional action your common sense desires and why, I wish you luck in getting it.
- I think people should be using their own common sense rather acting upon mine. CassiantoTalk 11:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- My point is, if you're asking for the discussion to be revdeleted due to the external link, you've made things a lot more complicated by reposting it here as we will first need to redact it from your post, then revdelete any edit between when you first posted it, and when it was redacted. If you do not feel that the link has to be deleted, this is not an issue. I have left the link for now, since it remains unclear if you feel it should be revdeleted, but if you do, please either redact the link here yourself, or let someone else do it for you. That is one of a number of reasons why it matters what adminstrative action you're asking for, but probably the most important one as the longer the link remains here, the more that will need to be revdeleted. (As it stands, helped by the time I suspect, there have been no edits to this page other than by you and me relating to this. But it's unlikely this will be the case 12 hours from now.) Incidentally, it isn't simply up to administrators, the community can, and often does on a course of action rather than it simply being up to individual administrators (or even administrators as a group). Nil Einne (talk) 11:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity, who cares what I'm "asking for"? I'm here to report a legal discussion against one of our editors by a banned user. What those with tools do with the evidence I have posted above is up to them. CassiantoTalk 11:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- A potentially sensitive topic should be communicated behind the scenes, such as by emailing your most trusted admin, rather than doing so where the whole world can see it. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 13:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I posted in good faith and hoped that owing to the allegation, it would be dealt with promptly. The drama has been made worse by those wanting "clarification" but not necessarily needing it, especially in light of them not even being an admin. I should've known better. CassiantoTalk 14:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes. Next time, if any, you'll know to take it behind the scenes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I posted in good faith and hoped that owing to the allegation, it would be dealt with promptly. The drama has been made worse by those wanting "clarification" but not necessarily needing it, especially in light of them not even being an admin. I should've known better. CassiantoTalk 14:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked the sockpuppet account. I'm not sure what more there is to be done, or at least what more can be done. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 13:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Recommend a WP:BOOMERANG for Cassianto. Coming to AN/I with something that admins generally can't do anything about because it's off-wiki, making vague demands to do something while refusing to suggest an intended action, and drawing wide attention to something that should possibly be revdel'd...it's pretty obvious trolling. 100.33.106.43 (talk) 14:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Personal abuse
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User:IcehouseCover has, over the last few days, repeatedly added original research at George IV State Diadem (16:20, 4 Jan, 20:47, 4 Jan, and 17:55, 7 Jan). Today, I posted a warning on his or her talk page ([201]), to which I received the following responses: "You're a twat" ([202]), and "you narrow minded twit … You'll die long before me, and I'll get my way eventually" ([203]). Firebrace (talk) 23:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- You know it's a common practice to adjust currency values for inflation in articles? See WP:INFLATION. I've just done that for you at George IV State Diadem. I'm not saying the other editor was right (given the figures he or she was using didn't include an appropriate source per WP:INFLATION), but you weren't exactly right either. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 23:58, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Last time I saw WP:INFLATION it came with a warning: "Incorrect use of this template would constitute original research. If you yourself do not have economic training, then please consult someone who does before using this template". The warning was removed in November 2016 ([204]) without my knowledge. But can we have something done about this troubled user who seems to enjoy the prospect of my death because he wasn't "getting his way". Thanks. Firebrace (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Firebrace, it is your responsibility to assume good faith of the other user when reverting something that is not clearly vandalism. Your first notice on the user's talk page was a level 3 warning about disruptive editing. Believe me, I know it's tiring to type out explanations instead of using templates. But you might get a better response if you revert once and offer a good-natured explanation before things escalate into an edit war.
- That being said, IcehouseCover is editing with the wrong mentality and needs a clue adjustment, IMO. --Jprg1966(talk) 00:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Firebrace describes himself as a "Western troll", "patronising jerk", and "sarcastic asshole". I was simply speaking the language he professes to use and understand. I am no Wikipedia editing expert; I felt my edit added value to the article. If there were a better way, a collaborative user might have explained how to achieve this. The "sarcastic asshole" did not chose this avenue.
- The first thing I did to contextualize the figures in the article was look up the calculated adjustments for inflation. Here nor there do I frankly care, but Firebrace, is an abusive editor, so received a complementary response from me which apparently sent him over the deep end crying and tattletaling.IcehouseCover (talk) 01:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, just so you know in the future, IcehouseCover, we don't really do that sort of
speaking the language he professes to use and understand
, particularly not where it amounts to what would be considered abusive language in a professional environment. The statements on Firebrace's userpage actually appear to be something of a "trophy gallery" of instances where he was called unkind names in disputes. While I think that sort of thing is in poor taste, it's not my userpage.I do actually agree with you, by the way, that what you contributed to the article added value. The problem was that it needed to be supported by reliable sources. In this case, Firebrace actually knew about WP:INFLATION (though apparently didn't know it could be used for large capital figures). It would've been more helpful had Firebrace sought to explain things, say by linking to WP:INFLATION and giving his understanding of it, rather than just reverting. That said, telling Firebrace off didn't make things better.In any event, I think that you understand the situation, and I don't think you're going to go around hurling insults in light of the above. If so, there's not much else to do here and we can all go back to editing. I really don't think there's a need for sanctions in this case. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 02:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, just so you know in the future, IcehouseCover, we don't really do that sort of
Next time I will just sink to their level. Firebrace (talk) 02:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is precisely the wrong takeaway. There are a ton of dispute resolution mechanisms on Wikipedia that don't require anyone being blocked or reported to ANI. My (Non-administrator comment) advice is to use those whenever possible. --Jprg1966 (talk) 02:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- @IcehouseCover: When you add information to an article without a source, a common response is to be reverted. The correct reaction to this is not to edit war over it, nor to personally attack the editor who does so. The advice written to Firebrace above notwithstanding, what you said was not only a personal attack, but it indicated pretty severe battleground mentality over an exceedingly minor dispute over your addition of unsourced information (by the way, "I did the research myself" is literally WP:OR). Please try to stay cool and seek dispute resolution, even if you feel you've been treated unfairly.
- @Firebrace: You were not in the wrong to revert unsourced information. However all that was necessary was a level one notice regarding adding unsourced information, or even a simple note asking for a source. By edit warring, threatening a block, and issuing a serious warning for "personal analysis or synthesis", you needlessly created a heated situation that directly led to a torrent of personal attacks. I'll be honest, I'd consider blocking if those comments were unprovoked, but the simple fact of the matter that we cannot ignore is that they were provoked. Swarm♠ 20:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Preach, brother! If only we had more like you. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oh goodness, every personal attack on Wikipedia is "provoked" – in the mind of the attacker. Firebrace (talk) 23:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- This one was "provoked in the mind of" a respected and level-headed administrator (yes, we do have a few of them) as well. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree. Firebrace, you're funny looking. Natureium (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Personal attacks by Pyrope
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A recent discussion at WT:MOTOR has devolved into mud-slinging by Pyrope in which he has repeatedly called me a "blowhard" simply because I did not immediately respond to his comments in the way that he would have preferred, even after I took the diplomatic route. Now, referring to someone as a "blowhard" is fairly tame but it is a clear violation of WP:PERSONAL and disappointing to see from someone who takes pride in his knowledge of Wikipedia policies. Unfortunately, I have come to expect this from Pyrope; I feel that he adopts a condescending attitude towards people who disagree with him and can be very hypocritical at times. Given that he has shown no contrition here, it's time for an ANI. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 13:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Beware of WP:BOOMERANGs. I suggest you go find a mediator for this lame dispute. Guy (Help!) 15:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- G;day. Gotta love the hypocrisy of this move. Over a period of several years Prisonermonkeys has engaged in a pattern of frankly obnoxious behaviour toward other editors. Mostly this stems from a complete inability to debate and accept others' point of view, and a stubborn assertion that they are in the right even when other editors provide sourced evidence that this isn't the case. They attempt to browbeat and chastise others for their behaviour, but when their own behaviour is called into question they usually go on a tear of blue-link wikilawyering, which unfortunately in many cases merely exposes their own ignorance of the actual substance of Wikipedia's guides and policies. Surprise, surprise, this is the case again in the latest dispute, but it is only the very latest in a long line. It is a pattern of behaviour that is beyond tiresome, and has become actively disruptive, often consuming many person days of other editors' time in attempting to resolve a dispute, but almost always in vain. In this particular case I think that "blowhard" is likely the mildest term I can think of to describe their behaviour, and frankly I stand by it. Pyrope 16:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please show us evidence of an admin telling you that it's okay for you to break the rules if you think you're justified in doing it. Or let me save you the trouble by pointing out that you can't show that evidence. This is the problem: you're a hypocrite. You hold yourself to a different standard of behaviour to everyone else. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's called a strawman argument. Go look it up. At no point have I ever claimed special privileges or abilities. For many years now you have been the epitome of a disruptive WP:IDHT editor, forever miring multiple other editors in pointless, circular, meaningless arguments. You keep thinking you have pulled off some great feat of logic and reasoning, only to have another editor (not just me!) pull its foundations to pieces. When that happens you change tack, argue that black is white, misquote Wikipedia policy pages, besmirch all those who point out your fundamental duplicity, and off we go again. I've just got fed up with it. You presence here makes Wikipedia a significantly less fun place to spend my free time, and if you somehow feel that I am "attacking" you in simply not rolling over and letting you carry on your disruptive behaviour you then I can't really help you. Pyrope 20:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- You don't have to claim it. It's evident in your behaviour. You clearly think you're justified in launching a personal attack which means that you actually have been given a free pass by the admins or you're a hypocrite. Since the admins don't give people a licence to break the rules on a whim, it's obviously the latter. The least you can do is acknowledge that you launched a personal attack instead of acting as if this is some inconvenient distraction that you can talk your way out of. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well firstly, thanks for conforming to type. So now I don't have to find proof for you because it is implicit in my behaviour, is it? That'll be one of your quick switches then. The besmirching is right there too. As for the hypocrisy, one aspect of your behaviour that I haven't complained about is your own propensity toward, as you might put it, "personal attacks". My complaints stem directly and explicitly from your obstructive and disruptive behaviour on talk pages. If you are going to start throwing around personal slurs such as "hypocrite" then have the decency to know what it means. Pyrope 20:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, you don't have to find proof of your behaviour because I've done it for you. It's ironic that you criticise me for not providing evidence but then ignore it when I do. Are you really so arrogant that you think you can ignore this? You made a personal attack and now you cannot even acknowledge that you did it. I can only conclude from this that you think the rules apply differently to you and I'm wondering what you're basing this on. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Another strawman, cute. You asked me for "evidence of an admin telling you that it's okay for you to break the rules", remember? As I have never claimed that I am of course unable to comply. If you read that into my behaviour then that's on you, and is rather for you to prove and not me. I am not sure how a blue-link to the original post on this board (all of, what, six inches up my screen... odd) helps your cause here. I am not ignoring evidence because you haven't provided any of anything other than the fact that I don't particularly like you. This much I knew and so, I assume, do the other people reading this. Pyrope 20:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- In case it was not obvious, all I am trying to do here is get you to acknowledge that you made a personal attack. Since you are unwilling or unable to do that, I would like you to show me why WP:PERSONAL does not apply in this instance. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Another strawman, cute. You asked me for "evidence of an admin telling you that it's okay for you to break the rules", remember? As I have never claimed that I am of course unable to comply. If you read that into my behaviour then that's on you, and is rather for you to prove and not me. I am not sure how a blue-link to the original post on this board (all of, what, six inches up my screen... odd) helps your cause here. I am not ignoring evidence because you haven't provided any of anything other than the fact that I don't particularly like you. This much I knew and so, I assume, do the other people reading this. Pyrope 20:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, you don't have to find proof of your behaviour because I've done it for you. It's ironic that you criticise me for not providing evidence but then ignore it when I do. Are you really so arrogant that you think you can ignore this? You made a personal attack and now you cannot even acknowledge that you did it. I can only conclude from this that you think the rules apply differently to you and I'm wondering what you're basing this on. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well firstly, thanks for conforming to type. So now I don't have to find proof for you because it is implicit in my behaviour, is it? That'll be one of your quick switches then. The besmirching is right there too. As for the hypocrisy, one aspect of your behaviour that I haven't complained about is your own propensity toward, as you might put it, "personal attacks". My complaints stem directly and explicitly from your obstructive and disruptive behaviour on talk pages. If you are going to start throwing around personal slurs such as "hypocrite" then have the decency to know what it means. Pyrope 20:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- You don't have to claim it. It's evident in your behaviour. You clearly think you're justified in launching a personal attack which means that you actually have been given a free pass by the admins or you're a hypocrite. Since the admins don't give people a licence to break the rules on a whim, it's obviously the latter. The least you can do is acknowledge that you launched a personal attack instead of acting as if this is some inconvenient distraction that you can talk your way out of. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's called a strawman argument. Go look it up. At no point have I ever claimed special privileges or abilities. For many years now you have been the epitome of a disruptive WP:IDHT editor, forever miring multiple other editors in pointless, circular, meaningless arguments. You keep thinking you have pulled off some great feat of logic and reasoning, only to have another editor (not just me!) pull its foundations to pieces. When that happens you change tack, argue that black is white, misquote Wikipedia policy pages, besmirch all those who point out your fundamental duplicity, and off we go again. I've just got fed up with it. You presence here makes Wikipedia a significantly less fun place to spend my free time, and if you somehow feel that I am "attacking" you in simply not rolling over and letting you carry on your disruptive behaviour you then I can't really help you. Pyrope 20:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please show us evidence of an admin telling you that it's okay for you to break the rules if you think you're justified in doing it. Or let me save you the trouble by pointing out that you can't show that evidence. This is the problem: you're a hypocrite. You hold yourself to a different standard of behaviour to everyone else. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Even if this is an issue, it seems a very minor one at best i.e. not something for which there's any chance of anything happening at ANI. If you're claiming this is enough of a long term problem to warrant action, you're going to need to provide evidence. We can't rely on what you've "come to expect". Nil Einne (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- The productivity of this thread can be modelled by the function y = -(x^3 + 7b) where x is the number of comments placed in this thread, and b is the number of respondees to it. It is unlikely that this trend will change. Drop the sticks and walk away. This isn't sufficient for even a warning. Mr rnddude (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Blowhard" is a pretty harmless epithet, Prisonermonkeys, and I'm no admirer of your own "diplomatic route" either, as I saw it on WT:MOTOR. If I myself had asked repeatedly for sources, as Pyrope did, and you had tap-danced around it ("Don't interpret my failure to provide sources just now as an inability to provide sources"), I'd be irritated too, and might possibly have called you a blowhard, or more likely a filibusterer. Don't be annoying and then expect administrators to support an ANI report about a so-called personal attack. As for your repeated references to the "rules", Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. I'll close this waste of time now. Bishonen talk 21:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC).
User:Aroniel2
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A Nazi fanboy User:Aroniel2 (106 edits since: 2009-05-09) posts raw links to Hitler speeches and vehemently racist and antisemitic blogs associated with the White Network full of articles like the "Holo Frauds & Quacks" and "the Jewish Problem and the HoloHoax". This one account better be blocked indefinitely as soon as possible. Poeticbent talk 04:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Aroniel2 (talk · contribs · count) : Gleiwitz incident: Difference between 3 revisions including [1] and [2]
References
- Yeah, there was some undiscovered OR/SYNTH that this editor inserted, from as best I can tell, to tie fairly mainstream Catholic social teaching to Franco's National Catholicism. It looks like much of this editor's work involves a rather... unconventional view of the Church and fascism. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 05:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
What you say is absolute nonsense. I post Hitler speech as EVIDENCE he did not mention the incident as excuse for his invasion or Poland. If he did mention it during his speech, please let me know. A Fact is a Fact and during his Speech he did not mention it. I say there is only one single source to the false flag theory, a man under arrest. That FACT is universally accepted, and noone else has found any other source to the theory. I mention there are historians that do not believe in the False Flag theory which is true as it is not universally accepted fact. Please let me know if Hitler used this incident in his declaration of war speech and I will erase my edit. I will be waiting. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aroniel2 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: User:Aroniel2 does not know where to stop. He just sent me a email from Wikpedia with the exact copy of the above (unsigned) post, with one extra line (which isn't here) reading: "Let people see all theories and all evidence. Do not try to brainwash people in any given ideology." He says (above) "there are historians" ... but cited antisemitic, Holocaust denying and racist spooks. And now, Aroniel2 is edit-warring like there was no tomorrow. Poeticbent talk 18:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gleiwitz_incident&type=revision&diff=819133541&oldid=819129375
- The reality that the "attack" on a German radio station by SS men dressed in Polish uniforms, who left behind dead men (taken from a concentration camp), also in Polish uniforms is generally accepted by all creditable historians as the deliberate creation of a false casus belli for the invasion of Poland. I have never seen any mainstream historian doubt it, and the amount of detail to back up the story is appreciable -- it is no more a "theory" than The Holocaust. Anyone who doesn't accept that as historical reality is living in a fantasy WP:FRINGE world, and their work on other subjects should be subjected to extremely close inspection by those familiar with the details of those subjects. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree, anyone suggesting a site strongly involved in holocaust denial be used as a source probably should be WP:INDEF since at a minimum their understanding of WP:RS seems to far gone to be salvagable. Nil Einne (talk) 11:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- The editor is also spamming to numerous articles their own interpretation of #2105 of the Catholic Catechism, using only a citation to the part of the Catechism, which does not support the interpretation provided, only the text. These have been removed by various editors, and the editor has been warned (by me) not to spam or violate WP:NPOV or add what is essentially unsourced information.They clearly need to have their edits kept an eye on. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked this user indefinitely for POV editing, not that that's a strong enough term. Presenting racist points of view as reliable, neutral information is unacceptable. Swarm ♠ 20:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Admitted meatpuppetry and proxy editing for blocked users
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M.A. Martin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Here. John from Idegon (talk) 17:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Excuse-me John from Idegon, could you explain to me what is this about, please ? I don't understand what "meatpuppetry and proxy editing" is, and you refer to your question about the use I made of "we", as I told you "we" referred to the friends who helped my collecting sources, among whom some of them have written articles on related subjects. Not any of them have ever been blocked from Wikipedia, if that's what you want to know, but blocked on Twitter, Facebook, our personnal computers, etc. And for any other question, I'll be happy to get advice and help from you and other administrators about the access to draft / sandbox about my article on Vanessa Beeley. Thank you very much !--M.A. Martin (talk) 18:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- You mean Twitter, right? Tornado chaser (talk) 18:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, sure, Twitter, I'll correct at once. Thank you. But could you please explain to me what is this all about ? (I'm not a native English speaker) I'm working on very controversial and complicated subjects, directly linked on propaganda, and it's quite complicated, even with reliable sources from The Guardian and several main secondary sources... M.A. Martin (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am not an admin, and am not involved in this issue, but from the diff provided it looks like concerns were raised about your use of the word "we", wikipedia policy requires that an account is used only by 1 person, and calling yourself "we" implies shared use. You have also been accused of meatpuppetry (recruiting a bunch of people who agree with you to sway consensus in a content dispute). Tornado chaser (talk)
- Thank you very much for your reply, Tornado chaser. Yes, indeed, we are a small group, outside of Wikipedia, to work together to collect sources and help each other, but when I first tried to make an account reflecting this "Challenge propaganda group", I was explained on Wikipedia (not here, in my mother tongue), that this could be seen as a group of pressure or lobby, and that an account had to be personnal (which was the case). When I explained where did my username came from, this was good for them, and they accepted my articles and helped me. Here on English Wikipedia, this was diferent, andI had to change my username to replace it by my personnal name (which took me quite long to understand). I've understood that I needed to be the only author of the article, with responsibility on what I write. Which is the case. But I thought I could mention the people who helped me gathering sources and preparing the subject of the article without any problem, because this is not on Wikipedia, but way before I published here (for instance, someone who speaks better English than me can help me correct a sentence, but not here in Wikipedia drafts, no, at home !).
- As for recruiting a bunch of people who agree with me to sway consensus in a content dispute, I don't know to tell anything like this about me. Anyway, even if I had this idea (but I don't, I don't think number matters, I think facts matter), I can't because I have no friends who have an account here, I was a complete beginner not long ago and I asked for much help on Wikipedia in my mother tong !
Propaganda is really a complicated thing to deal with, but I really didn't think it would be the case here too... thank you very much for your explanations. talkM.A. Martin (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
John from Idegon I hope you can read all my explanations above and tell me wether it is a problem or not, please.M.A. Martin (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think the concerns arose when you talked about blocked users it sounded like you were editing on behalf of others who were blocked from wikipedia. Tornado chaser (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, I understand better. Thank you. Tornado chaser This is not the case. I was just trying to explain my page was not an "attack" page, I am just a human rights defender, and I don't aim at attacking anyone, even a propagandist, and I wanted to explain ths were not our methods, not our ways of thinking when we gathered information and sources, this is the way of doing of propagandists. I also spoke about insults, harassment, hacking computers... this is not on Wikipedia ! Here, I even thought I could find help to restore the truth, which an Encyclopdy does, and I still hope it will be possible !M.A. Martin (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think M.A. Martin was talking about editors who had been blocked from Wikipedia based on that post, but was stating that he couldn't give information about his compatriots because he was concerned for their safety. That said, describing oneself as editing on behalf of a group of "human rights defenders" and talking about "propagandists" and wanting to use Wikipedia to "restore the truth" raises serious concerns about what M.A. Martin is editing Wikipedia to accomplish. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 19:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Mendaliv for your answer. Yes, that's what I meant. Just to be precise, I didn't say I was editing on behalf on a group, just that this group helped me to gather information sources and think about the subject previously, because some of them share common interests with subjects that are linked to mine. What I write and publish is my own text (but that does not mean I couldn't ask help to correct a sentence to a friend before writing down here ?) (English is not my mother tongue). Am I the only one to do so ?
- As for your other concern, I fully understand it, it's better to have fears and be cautious on such subjects, because, yes, it is a very controversial subject. I said "propaganda" because itt was established as such, by main media. And as it deals with conspiracy theories, there are fake information that were proved, this is why I'm talking about restoring the truth, maybe it's not the good vocabulary, I don't know. But for a similar article in my mother tongue, I was helped so that it could fit the Wikipedia rules. I'd like to be helped here as well, but I was told by the administrator who deleted my article that I would be blocked if I continue, so I think I won't dare it, because it's important to me to be able to edit again in my mother tongue on several subjects, including this one.M.A. Martin (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have made it clear on M.A. Martin's talk page that POV pushing regarding their chosen topic will not be permitted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you Cullen328, yes, this was clear, and this is what I intended to do, I'd like to be able to discuss this and build the article with help, but I don't want to be blocked.
- Or if any of you are interested, I think you have access to my deleted article and sources (I have some more I can give you), you can also write an article on Vanessa Beeley. It would be great. Thank you.M.A. Martin (talk) 21:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment)@M.A. Martin: Yes it is ok to ask others for help and advice, you just can't give them your password to edit, ect. Tornado chaser (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you very much. No, sure, I won't, they don't even know how this works here, as for the help I asked it long before started my draft here. Now all I would need would be help from wikipedia editors to manage to write an article on this subject without being deleted and blocked, which until now doesn't really seem easy to achieve.M.A. Martin (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- @M.A. Martin: When you respond to a comment on a talk page, please indent your response one more tab that the comment you're responding to. You do this by adding an additional colon (:). Thus if the comment you're responding to has no colons, your response should have 1, if it has 1 (or an asterisk) yours should have 2, etc. In this way the discussion is easier to read. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- My concerns about meat and proxy have been addressed, but there remains WP:NOTHERE, for which there seems a clear case. John from Idegon (talk) 23:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please, John from Idegon, I would have loved that you answered my questions above or that you would have told me what was the problem about. So, please, may I know why you think I am a doing clear case of WP:NOTHERE? You already claimed I "Admitted meatpuppetry", whih I did not. So please understand my question. What would be my aim, according to you, other than building an encyclopedia ? Why would articles on Eva Bartlett and Vanessa Beeley would not be useful in Wikipedia and would not be useful for readers ? But if that's really alarming you so much, please read what I answered on my talk page, and you'll be happy to know that by now I've understood it'll be too complicated for me to struggle against your claims and reports, added to the ones of an other editor and of an administrator who denies my sources while acknowledging he hadn't read them all, or hadn't read them before deleting my article, so I prefer to give up. I can't say I'm happy about that, because is really think one of the role of an Ecyclopedia is to share information, and to help people findind neutral and unbiased information, which is more important because more difficult, on such subjects as current war propaganda, and I don't really see what English Wikipedia community nor readers will benefit from my giving up. I really think the only ones who will benefit of this are the one who defend war propaganda.M.A. Martin (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- M.A. Martin has been indeff'd by Guy for WP:NOTHERE. Someone can probably close this. John from Idegon (talk) 17:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Saboteurest
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Saboteurest (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is randomly reverting my edits (see here and here) and those of Joeyconnick (see here). It's clearly retaliation for Joey and I reverting their changes to Light rail in North America, which are in opposition to previous talk page discussions. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I wasn't going to say anything but this is how my attempt to discuss the issue with the user went at Talk:Burnaby-class ferry § abbreviation or not. I can't speculate as to their original reason for the revert but I don't feel they are discussing the issue in good faith. —Joeyconnick (talk) 00:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your edit was reverted by more than one editor. Then you went on and on about absolute nonsense that wasn't related to the topic. You claim that the abbreviation BC for British Columbia is "well known". Maybe it's well known in your home country of Canada, but try using it in France, or Brazil, or Algeria. It is not known worldwide. Saboteurest (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Then why did you perform this unjustified revert where you reversed my removal of a similar abbreviation? And why did you revert my lengthy edit at J Church, which consisted of well-cited history? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Guys, guys, preferably don't use ANI as your one-stop solution. It doesn't even seem like you guys tried any sort of dispute resolution, a few arguments are bound to come around here, there, I don't quite see anything that exaggerates to the level of admin attention — this is merely a case of differing opinion. Let's cut to the core and the only thing I see is the battleground behaviour, we can come to compromise here, being my point. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 17:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Then why did you perform this unjustified revert where you reversed my removal of a similar abbreviation? And why did you revert my lengthy edit at J Church, which consisted of well-cited history? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your edit was reverted by more than one editor. Then you went on and on about absolute nonsense that wasn't related to the topic. You claim that the abbreviation BC for British Columbia is "well known". Maybe it's well known in your home country of Canada, but try using it in France, or Brazil, or Algeria. It is not known worldwide. Saboteurest (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Assistance requested reverting unsourced changes to Super Bowl LII
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- Super Bowl LII (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views)
- 68.192.253.189 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
IP 68.192.253.189 is continuously making an unsourced change without looking at the whole paragraph in which they are editing. The Winter Olympics were never held in 2012. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 02:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Radiation15
| Blocked indef. Swarm ♠ 19:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Radiation15 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I previously highlighted issues with this editor, and Radiation15 was blocked 36 hours for adding unsourced content. After Radiation15 added more unsourced content, I reverted it and offered to help find sources if necessary. This follows prior offers of help from others. Instead of taking up the offers, he replied, "all you do is sniff cocaine". He added more unsourced content after this, so I warned him again. His reply was, "NinjaRobotPirate, go fuckin die. Besides you’re not a reliable source either. All you do is sniff cocaine and pleasure yourself with porn." I decided to just try to ignore it. However, he has begun edit warring to restore unsourced content at List of Columbia Pictures films (diff #1, diff #2). Can someone please indefinitely block this editor for disruption and personal attacks? Thank you. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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| and now RickinBaltimore is restoring the unsourced production companies? With some note about the release dates? The release dates are not in contention. The fact that Columbia Pictures is the production company is the contentious statement here. This is getting immensely frustrating. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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- The issue is not about who is "right" or "wrong" about that Columbia Pictures list. The issue is that we have an editor who has continued to add unsourced content (e.g. [205], [206]) after being asked not to, and after being given a final warning on this in December. And who has responded to criticism over this with personal attacks. A member of ArbCom has come and cleaned up the mess on one occasion but I don't really see the positives in this editor's ongoing participation. I can't see that he was ever warned for those personal attacks, so I'll do that now. ElAhrairah inspect damage⁄berate 22:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked indef. Swarm ♠ 18:47, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Swarm, I don't know who you blocked, but, Radiation15 ain't it.[207]Mr rnddude (talk) 19:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Mr rnddude: Thanks! I guess I never actually blocked the user! Luckily, I checked my log and didn't erroneously block anyone by mistake. I was worried for a second. Swarm ♠ 19:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
ford motor company
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flighttime ruined my editing that im trying to improve — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitopavlovivit (talk • contribs) 05:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Three problems that I see, @Vitopavlovivit:
- You did not notify FlightTime that a discussion is open at ANI which is about this user. You are always required to notify a user if you report them to ANI.
- Your edits to the Ford article were problematic and wrecked a table at the bottom of the page. FlightTime was right to revert and even noted in the edit summary you were editing in good faith.
- ANI is not the right venue for this. You have not even attempted to communicate with the user about this issue. --Jprg1966 (talk) 06:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Jprg1966: Thank you for the ping. It seems my edit and summary is not being challenged, if not ping me and I'll reply. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 17:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Blocking !vote going on at WP:COIN
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See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Tony Ahn PR/Reputation Management. Admin input would be welcome. Please comment there, not here. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- ANI is for reporting incidents, admin attention to other threads at AN. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 17:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
User: Kevinwoverstreet
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- Kevinwoverstreet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This user's entire contribution list consists of self-promotion that has been repeatedly reverted. They also created the page [[Kevin Overstreet] (speedy deleted both for copyvio and for non-notability.) An edit-block might help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:5A40:E7:5862:4EB3:95A:369 (talk) 18:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- It might, if they had edited since last May... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Legal threat on Igor Durlovski
| They don't come much clearer than this. Blocked. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC) |
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per this diff. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 20:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked for the unambiguous legal threat and the disruptive editing - TNT❤ 20:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Three, count them, three minutes. Could be a little more efficient, don't you think;) -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 20:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
User:MizukaS
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- MizukaS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Earlier today a user by the name of MizukaS is fighting over an issue on the Cristina Vee page on NOT allowing to have any miscellaneous roles on her table. I explained to him about it but he refuses to make an agreement and even responded way out of line with this edit See footnote: do not include additional voices. Some don't even have any reliable sources. Also, don't "strike 1" me. You're not a mod, so don't even try to threaten me.
And Here are the reverts made by this user.
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Honestly I don't know what to do with him/her and continues to remain unreasonable over resolving an issue that's been going on since last year's incident regarding having additional voices or others on the actor's pages: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_69#Inclusion_of_additional_voices_in_anime_voice_actor_articles.
While he is new to this issue he refuses to accept having the background voices on her page regardless If I put in the sources. And this is all from the talk page: "Various_voices"_is_too_vague_for_inclusion. I'm in a Pickle I'm not asking for a suspension or block but I find him to be VERY unreasonable on coming up with a solution!!--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 01:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to me that perhaps, you both are engaging in an edit war? Please try using the talk page. I have requested a temporary page protection. House1090 (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- AnimeDisneylover95, you should edit using reliable sources, not Tweets by the subject. While we're on the topic, typically those articles are nothing but lists--resumes, that is. They are a disgrace to Wikipedia, and this isn't the worst of em. Drmies (talk) 01:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @AnimeDisneylover95:
You are required to notify MizukaS on their talk page that they are mentioned here. --Jprg1966 (talk) 01:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Comments
First and foremost, I'm male. Please use male pronouns only. In any case.... Well, you've done it, ADL. And what's more, you've only provided one side of the story. Allow me to fill in the rest. So let's start with the factor that you've been notably hostile at me over a subject you do not wish to discuss. Yes, we all have topics that we'd rather avoid getting involved in if it can be helped, but you seem to want to get involved in the most trivial aspects of an article. I think your behavior in this discussion (an attempt made by me to set aside our differences) and the diffs that I am about to list below suggests that you are someone that cannot stay calm.
Diffs of the user's reverts:
One thing that I don't understand is why ADL is yelling at my face about this. I even referenced the footnote in the template for him to see, but he just refuses to have any form of discussion at all. I clearly explained my perspective on why extremely vague tweets should be excluded, but it seems clear to me that ADL continues to refuse communicating calmly. I also read the discussion he linked me, and honestly, if the consensus from that discussion is so clear, why isn't it a policy yet?
There is a huge difference between including additional voices that are listed in the credits roll, and one that is only supported by a mere tweet. I only removed all the additional voice credits because there is a footnote in the template that says that we should exclude all of them. In any case, what I'm advocating for is not the exclusion of all self-pub Twitter sources, but for additional voice credits that are supported only by a tweet, and nothing else, to be removed. In fact, judging by that tweet, it's extremely vague as to what role the subject is even involved with. And due to its vagueness, it could very well be a crew role, and not a voice role. I challenged ADL on this aspect, and asked him whether or not he could verify how the subject was involved. Of course, he just ignores me and keeps spouting more of his flames.
PS: That "strike 1" thing is something you pulled, ADL. I find it very offensive that you think you could act like an admin and boss me around just because you don't agree with someone. I have made attempts to try to resolve this peacefully, but I'm afraid it might be vain, unfortunately. MizukaS (talk) 02:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Quite simply, use reliable sources, 95 and a tweet is not that. House1090 (talk) 03:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
@AnimeDisneylover95 and MizukaS: You're both past WP:3RR. Would you like a block or to refrain from editing the article for a week and use the talk page only? --NeilN talk to me 03:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would prefer to just refrain from editing the article for a week (Jan 18). And I would like to discuss the matter civilly using just the article's talk page. MizukaS (talk) 03:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would not want a block today over what happened today, I just got frustrated today with MS over an issue on just one "tweet" on the Cristina Vee page regarding a role on a show she was involved in. The thing is it is the same "rinse and repeat cycle" I've been seeing regarding "Additional voices" and "Tweets" not allowed on this site be brought up again ever since it was mutually resolved back in June of last year. I had a lot of exhausting conflicts many users and admins in the past, many of which I have been giving warnings and resolutions. But to be honest I just want to just resolve this issue already, I'm very exhausted as of today--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 04:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- NeilN I feel a block is necessary at this point. I've been keeping an eye on them and it is pretty messy. Best, House1090 (talk) 03:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- House1090 & NeilN, I don't want to have a block, I just got frustrated today with MS that the issue over just one "tweet" on the Cristina Vee page is the same "rinse and repeat cycle" I've been seeing regarding "Additional voices" and "Tweets" not allowed here from June of last year be brought up again. I had a lot of exhausting conflicts many users and admins in the past, many of which I have been giving warnings and resolutions. But to be honest I just want to just resolve this issue already, I'm very exhausted as of today.--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 04:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @AnimeDisneylover95: I'll take this as agreement that you will not edit the article for a week. And remember, there's no hurry to get content in or out. If you're frustrated, please look at WP:DRR for other options to bring more eyes to the dispute. --NeilN talk to me 04:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Jim1138
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This User insists on removing my edits concering an article on Urinary Cathetization, despite that it is well known in the medical community that the procedure is carried out as a sterile procedure. (In fact, all the instructional material I can find on the material explicitly states that sterile technique applies, from youtube on up to virtually every other site that has material on the subject matter.) I therefore edited and inserted a citation needed tag in lieu of the reference, as I could not find a non-paid reference to cover the subject matter adequately and simplisticly enough for the needs of most non-technical readers. I have requested the user to stop modifing my edits without discussing revisions on the article talk page first. The User appears to be using policies incorrectly, namely WP:verfiablity and WP:Burden while ignoring WP:Consensus, and the policy concerning the citation needed tag. 108.201.29.108 (talk) 05:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I do not see what Jim is supposed to have done wrong. What I did see in your edits is that you frequently fail to cite sources, that you cite primary sources, and that you think totally unreliable sources (like this one) are acceptable. Drmies (talk) 05:17, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Another example of unsourced content. Or is it wp:OR? Vicarioius liability Nice edit summary btw: Edit to discuss criminal law ramifications. Please do not modify this edit without discussing on the article Talk page and first obtaining consensus. Jim1138 (talk) 05:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Karma-rang in 3... 2... 1... Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 07:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sounds like a job for Catheter Cowboy! EEng 10:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Amazing
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It just never ceases to amaze me how vandals seem to think the same old tricks will work. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 07:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Revdel request
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- Bartholomew.J.Simpson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This user is clearly NOTHERE and his edits may need to be revdeleted [213] –Ammarpad (talk) 08:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Done. Regards SoWhy 08:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC) - @Ammarpad: I've blocked the account and oversighted the edits. If you come across something like that again, please email the oversight team (oversight-en-wp@wikipedia.org, Special:EmailUser/Oversight, or any of the details on WP:RFO) rather than posting it here where lots of people are likely to see it before it goes. Thanks, HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 08:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Clear legal threat
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DJOWEN73 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) Left a clear legal threat on my talk page The view of the Sandon School is that this is vindictive. Therefore we will be referring the mater to our legal department. Jim1138 (talk) 09:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Funkygishh
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Since October, Funkygissh have received six messages about creating unreferenced/poorly referenced articles but has not responded to any. These include unreferenced biographies of living people. With Georgina Adam, I asked Funkygissh if the external links were actually sources rather than suggestions for further reading; no reply. I then moved it to draftspace to avoid it being tagged for deletion, with a message that it could easily be moved back/submitted via WP:AFC if/when references were added, and that references on biographies of living people need to also be WP:INLINECITED. No direct response, just Funkygissh moving the article from draft straight back to mainspace without addressing the serious referencing issue.
I have directed this editor towards WP:BURDEN, WP:V and WP:Communication is required. Many of the editor's creations have been deleted; this sourcing issue and lack of communication is causing other editors a lot of work at New Page Patrol and AfD. I would like Funkygissh to add sources to Georgina Adam, in future source properly and communicate here that they understand the issue and will respond to messages in future. Boleyn (talk) 12:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
User:BTechTV
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This user has not been answering the numerous concerns raised at User talk:BTechTV, although responded to an editor on another issue in November, so knows how to use the page and is clearly reading some messages. BTechTV creates quite a lot of articles, and it is taking up a lot of other editors' times trying to resolve things by deletion discussions and at New Page Patrol.
Despite warnings, BTechTV continues to create unreferenced articles such as Thailand women's national under-20 volleyball team with potential copyright issues too. BTechTV has refused to answer questions about whether by 'external links' they mean sources rather than suggestions for further reading. I have directed BTechTV to WP:BURDEN, WP:V and WP:Communication is required, and have been sending warnings for several months (17 messages just from me, on many different articles - messages from other editors too!) No response at all, and continues producing these articles.
I would like BTechTV to join this discussion, add their sources to their creations, and add sources and respond to messages in the future. Boleyn (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked this user indefinitely. I've made it clear to them that they will be welcome to edit again once they take steps to address the issues, which are fairly serious. Swarm ♠ 19:31, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Misguided edit?
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This user page edit seems counterproductive. Granted the user's first edit was vandalistic but aren't user pages given more leeway in terms of choice of language? 86.218.83.48 (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Page deleted. It contained what is probably a real person's name and not-so-flattering assertions. --NeilN [[User
- Perfect. Thank you for the followup. 86.218.83.48 (talk) 15:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Question regarding interaction bans
Is linking to an edit by an editor who is party to an IBAN, which is obviously not an IBAN violation a breach of an IBAN? As in, is blatant block shopping a violation of an IBAN? Darkness Shines (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)Typo fixed. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 17:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Regarding the second phrasing: I'd say "absolutely". Regarding the first, "Not necessarily, but likely so." ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- You know, I thought I was going to talk about dropping sticks, until I saw what's going on here. There's no obvious violation here, but I think at one point the patience will start to wear down. Alex Shih (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
You know, DS, if you don't want to be reported for IBAN vios, you could stop editing pages immediately after CWG... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes&diff=prev&oldid=818787054 --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Still don't know what the IBAN policy is then Sarek? And I was pinged to that cheers Darkness Shines (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know you were pinged to it, that's why you're not already blocked. However, most people under IBANs go out of their way not to appear to violate them. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- What Sarek said. Whether or not you were pinged is not the point. You cannot continue to keep commenting after them while complaining about them. This is a two-way interaction ban, and you also must exercise the same kind of sensitivity that you have been demanding. Alex Shih (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I know you were pinged to it, that's why you're not already blocked. However, most people under IBANs go out of their way not to appear to violate them. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Per WP:IBAN: Editors subject to an IBAN are not permitted to: make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly. - If you are under an IBAN and link to an edit by someone you are IBANed with, that is making reference to them. The exception would be where you are reporting what you perceive to be a violation in the correct forum. Almost all admins would also consider a request where a diff is provided as part of a 'Is this is a violation of the IBAN?' query legitimate. If said admin then said 'no' and its forumshopped until an admin says 'yes' then I would expect some form of extended discussion about it in the event of sanctions. If someone you are in an IBAN with is pinging you, it would depend on the circumstances. This is why general questions suck. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ecx2)Like I said, read the IVAN policy, you already got it wrong once. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, so looked a bit further. Someone you are in an IBAN with linking to your edits and asking an admin is not a violation. Any more than you linking to their edits if you were querying if it is a violation would be. If a third party pings you to something (because you both edit in the same area) as long as you are not directly interacting, its not a violation. The whole point of an IBAN however is that you both stay away from each other. That almost always means, do not edit directly after them if you are both editing the same article lest accusations of stalking appear. Only in death does duty end (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ecx2)Like I said, read the IVAN policy, you already got it wrong once. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Darkness Shines, are you seriously taunting us to read IBAN policy? Alex Shih (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, I said Sarek needs to, he already blocked me once and had to unblick cos he made policy up on the fly. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, I took a look at the two interaction-banned editors in question here with the editor interaction analyser, looking only at edits made since their two-way IBAN was put in place. This was the result. It's not proof of a violation by any means, and I'm not saying a violation definitely took place, but to my uneducated eye it doesn't look like either editor has fully embraced the spirit of the IBAN. (For comparison, I also looked at five other IBAN'd editors over the same time period, and four out of five had 0 pages in common. The fifth only had large-scale discussion pages like ANI in common; no articles or article talk pages.) Marianna251TALK 17:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Its not particularly useful in this case due to the overlapping subject area and that one (for a significant period of their editing) was effectively a SPA. Only in death does duty end (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough; that's why I only looked at edits since the IBAN. I wasn't aware that one editor had such a narrow focus. Marianna251TALK 17:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Its not particularly useful in this case due to the overlapping subject area and that one (for a significant period of their editing) was effectively a SPA. Only in death does duty end (talk) 17:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Non-Administrative commitment: [214] @ Alex Shih I feel like someone is breathing down my neck and following my steps and right on my heels.[215] [216] P.S. I followed SarekOfVulcan (talk) to this page and this is what I wrote [217]. I only requested that I not be followed, as [218] this is tiresome, thanks. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Help Please, help stoping the
stockingstalking - WP:HOUNDING: I post this [219] on CYBERPOWER Talking Page and in less than 20mins [220] shows up. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry... what the what??? EEng 03:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- In straightforward terms: I had been TBAN by Cyber from posting on 'Patriot Prayer' pages due to my interaction with D/S. I went to Cyber's page to ask him if an image of The Proud Boys at a patriot prayer rally wearing their black polo shirt and yellow pinstripe unofficial uniform violated the TBAN and within 20 minutes that exact image ended up on 'Patriot Prayer' page mislabeled as Joey Gibson by D/S. This is now the second time that this is happened since the IBAN has been in effect, that I have posted to an administrator's page and within hours things that popped up on Wiki by D/S. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, what's "stoping the stocking"? Sounds like something I'd ask the dry cleaner to do. EEng 11:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Look at all the images of the rally [221] and those of Joey Gibson from the rally [222]; why use my image of '3 Proud Boys' and (mis)-labeling it as Joey Gibson [223] within 20mins of my posting it on Cyber's TP? This is stalking but worse is the poor quality of the editing this stalking has caused. There were plenty of images of Joey Gibson at that rally, why use mine and do it incorrectly? C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity: "stalking". -Nat Gertler (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I fixed my spelling error and was informed I should have used WP:HOUNDING to be more accurate. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- For clarity: "stalking". -Nat Gertler (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Look at all the images of the rally [221] and those of Joey Gibson from the rally [222]; why use my image of '3 Proud Boys' and (mis)-labeling it as Joey Gibson [223] within 20mins of my posting it on Cyber's TP? This is stalking but worse is the poor quality of the editing this stalking has caused. There were plenty of images of Joey Gibson at that rally, why use mine and do it incorrectly? C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, what's "stoping the stocking"? Sounds like something I'd ask the dry cleaner to do. EEng 11:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- In straightforward terms: I had been TBAN by Cyber from posting on 'Patriot Prayer' pages due to my interaction with D/S. I went to Cyber's page to ask him if an image of The Proud Boys at a patriot prayer rally wearing their black polo shirt and yellow pinstripe unofficial uniform violated the TBAN and within 20 minutes that exact image ended up on 'Patriot Prayer' page mislabeled as Joey Gibson by D/S. This is now the second time that this is happened since the IBAN has been in effect, that I have posted to an administrator's page and within hours things that popped up on Wiki by D/S. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry... what the what??? EEng 03:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, I'm pointing out three things. 1 Gilmore posting in this section violates the IBAN 2 Cyberpower's talk page is on my watch list, so no interactions have taken place. 3 It is not me following anyone, as is obvious given I was discussing The Root as a source on the Proud Boys article, and Surprise This block shopping needs to be stopped. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, 4 Gilmore commenting on my edit to Patriot Prayer violates not only the IBAN, it violates his TBAN. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note -@ Alex Shih, the admission of actions taking actions based upon my posting to Cyberpower's Talking Page. I post to Cyber's page and actions are taken within 20 mins, clearly shows that the post is in reaction. IBAN [224] "A two-way interaction ban forbids both users from interacting with each other." I just want to be left alone, not followed or have my actions followed by a reaction within minutes of my posting. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Topic ban evasion
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In December, Avaya1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was topic-banned for 3 months from Israel-related pages. WP:TBAN says:
- "a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic. For example, if an editor is banned from the topic "weather", they are not only forbidden to edit the article Weather, but also everything else that has to do with weather, such as:
- weather-related parts of other pages, even if the pages as a whole have little or nothing to do with weather: the section entitled "Climate" in the article California, for example, is covered by the topic ban, but the rest of the article is not;"
Today, he removed and modified (and was reverted) several parts of the section "Views on antisemitism and Israel" in George Soros: [225], [226]. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- This would certainly seem to be an up-and-down breach of the ban, but I want to hear an explanation from Avaya1 (talk·contribs) before looking at what action should be taken. Lankiveil(speak to me) 04:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC).
- I agree that this appears to be a breach of the topic ban. Drmies was the administrator who imposed the topic ban. Perhaps he has a comment. Cullen328Let's discuss it 05:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- These are quite blatant. Thank you Cullen328. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Definitely a vio of the topic ban, but I'm not sure what the correct next step is. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- These are quite blatant. Thank you Cullen328. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree that this appears to be a breach of the topic ban. Drmies was the administrator who imposed the topic ban. Perhaps he has a comment. Cullen328Let's discuss it 05:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I was attempting to remove off-topic content about Steinmetz with this edit and Hungary. I was removing the non-Israeli content about Steinmetz and Hungary. The Israeli stuff I have left intact. The original section was written by me and is largely about Israel, this was back in May before my topic ban. There's since been added paragraphs about Steinmetz and extra parts about Hungary which is off-topic to antisemitism and Israel. Avaya1 (talk) 06:07, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Whether you wrote it yourself or not, as our topic bans do not currently have a feature to physically prevent users from editing in the banned areas, this is still a breach of your topic ban. I don't believe you maliciously breached the ban, but WP:TBAN is quite explicit. I'll let other admins decide what to do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- In these edits, Avaya1 removed two (and modified one) pieces of text, which are directly related to Israel and contains word "Israel". --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 08:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
@Lankiveil, Cullen328, Drmies, and Kudpung: What are the next steps? --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 14:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, we could block! But it's been a few days, and they haven't done it again, so that would really be punitive, even if a pattern had been established, that this wasn't just a one-off. Or we could give Avaya1 a stern warning and say "if you do that again we will certainly block you". Cullen? Drmies (talk) 18:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Since I've been pinged: I also think the stern warning would be appropriate. Just because we can block doesn't mean we have to. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think at this point a block would not be preventative. That being said, this violation should certainly be noted and logged so that it can be factored into the sanction for any future breaches. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC).
- I have warned Avaya1 that any further violation of their topic ban will result in a block. Avaya1 has not edited in recent days. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Arthistorian1977 and NPR right
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Barnstar only account?
| While handing out barnstars is certainly a positive act on this project, "barnstar-only accounts" (as it's been called) is a common red flag associated with sock puppetry and long-term abuse (I've seen it many times in my experience). Accounts such as these should definitely be reported here to be looked into (keeping the assumption of good faith in mind of course), and investigations should be handled by those who are experienced with SPI and spotting behavior patterns. Reported user is blocked. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Chopard geneve 007 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User:Chopard geneve 007 seems to have no purpose other that issuing barnstars, not exactly sure what his motives are but wondering about WP:NOTHERE Tornado chaser (talk) 16:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Barnstars are actually a positive thing so NOTHERE doesn't really apply. What's to note is it's essentially a pointless SPA atm. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 17:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Tornado chaser: When you filed this, they had only had an account here for fifteen minutes! As things stand now, they're clearly just feeling around their talk page and getting used to their new-found powers :) WP:RETENTION, anyone?! >SerialNumber54129...speculates 17:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeffed as NOTHERE and very likely some form of block evasion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ec)
It looks to me like Chopard geneve 007 went to the history of Rolex Daytona and is handing barnstars to the editors that have worked on this article. Nothing actionable, IMO. I'll stop by and send an invite to the Teahouse.No longer needed, it seems... –FlyingAce✈hello 17:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ec)
- That's probably David Adam Kess. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- There's also Special:Contributions/Dr.bb8. Peter James (talk) 17:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked. That's also a Kess sock. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Y'all missed one - Benjamin Franklin 007(talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Scr★pIronIV 19:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching that.
Blocked and tagged. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching that.
- Y'all missed one - Benjamin Franklin 007(talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Scr★pIronIV 19:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked. That's also a Kess sock. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Requesting action for 73.251.37.0
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This IP is repeatedly making bad edits, and is not responding to either edit comments or talk page notices. He seems to be basically trying to players to the rosters in various NFL seasons for a team, but is getting the formatting wrong and is not providing any citation. I've been a New England fan for decades, and I don't recognize "David Struges" as a quarterback the team had, so I suspect this is some form of self-promotion.
Specific edits to look at: 2008 season, 2007 season, 2006 season.
Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 23:23, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked a week. --NeilN talk to me 00:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Found another obvious sock
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I'm running out of clever titles, so straight to the point. Anuragbasu was indefinitely blocked by User:RickinBaltimore as a spam/advertising-only account. The above mentioned blocked account then created another account, which I found via the user creation log. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 00:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked. "If at first you don’t succeed, then skydiving is not for you." <- To compensate for the lack of a clever title. --NeilN talk to me 00:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- For those of us momentarily confused by how this is possible, the second account was created before the first one was blocked. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Correct. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Acroterion
| (non-admin closure) Purely being done as retaliation toward Acroterion. Closing as trolling. Amaury (talk contribs) 00:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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I would say this guy may bear watching. He seems a bit overly aggressive and unpleasant in my slight dealing with him. I hope he leaves me alone and that I hear nothing more at all of this matter. What prompts my complaint is an exchange on the talk page for article on Aleksandr Torshin as well as a message left on my page. Badiacrushed (talk) 00:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this really the kind of ANI we want?
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[227], [228], [229], [230] Paul August ☎ 00:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oh dear, Paul, you're disrupting ANI!!1! --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- In general, I'm okay with some humor here to keep spirits up, ease tension, etc. - but when it's used in an appropriate and kind-hearted level (of course). When humor is reverted (especially here) - it means that someone found the humor to not be appropriate in the right time or place, and it shouldn't be reverted or restored again. Appropriate humor is usually always welcome anywhere, but keeping ANI on-topic and sterile should take precedence over any humor added if someone objects to it. An example of good humor being Floquenbeam's comment above :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Damn. I didn't even get a credit. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 00:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Aren't discussions about ANI on-topic? And why would we want to keep ANI "sterile"? And are you saying that if anyone objects to someone else's post they are free to simply delete it? Paul August☎ 01:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Paul August - No :-). I was only specifically speaking about comments made to ANI discussions with humor as the sole intent, not any other kind of comments or responses made that are within the topic of the given report or discussion. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Oshwah: Well comming as it did from Biszilla, humor is always involved, but I didn't consider that to have been its "sole intent", I thought its intent was rather to congratulate and encourage. Paul August☎ 02:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Paul August - Sure, totally. Maybe I'm just confused over this discussion here. I'm pretty certain that you were trying to bring the back-and-fourth reverting and adding to issue; I was just making a statement in general and not specifically taking the specific Bishzilla changes into account :-). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Oshwah: Well comming as it did from Biszilla, humor is always involved, but I didn't consider that to have been its "sole intent", I thought its intent was rather to congratulate and encourage. Paul August☎ 02:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Paul August - No :-). I was only specifically speaking about comments made to ANI discussions with humor as the sole intent, not any other kind of comments or responses made that are within the topic of the given report or discussion. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Recommending a trouting to the two edit warring ninnies. Whichever one of you was technically right, you both lost the high ground. --Tarage (talk) 01:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It may or may not be the ANI we want, but it's the ANI we deserve. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not the one I deserve. Paul August☎ 02:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Obviously that makes you Batman.
- The Bushranger One ping only 03:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Obviously that makes you Batman.
- Not the one I deserve. Paul August☎ 02:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Anyone who reverts Bishzilla should be blocked without warning. It's a rule.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Definitely ANI should be kept sterile. Think of the horror if it were to reproduce. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I suggest ANI should be put in Bishzilla's pocket. Or moved to User talk:Jimbo Wales, where it can be ignored. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Kinda sad to think editors had actually reverted a humourous post ..... A sign of great things to come perhaps?. –Davey2010Talk 03:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's beyond sad. It's fucking dreadful. Kinda ballsy too, as technically Bishzilla outranks Jimbo IIRC.Joefromrandb (talk) 03:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Thepoliticsexpert
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I copyedited (1) the terrible Conservative Campaign Headquarters article and was reverted (2) by User:Thepoliticsexpert, with the edit summary "no reason given". I reinstated (3) my edit with the summary "rv. per WP:MOS", which was reverted (4) by Thepoliticsexpert with the edit summary "reverted vandalism. Have submitted block-request for that user" (he has not). User:Davidjones202 then reverted (5) an edit I had made to Bedford Level experiment on 23 November 2017 and posted an inappropriate warning (6) on my talk page with the edit summary "Your edit to Bedford Level experiment page was reverted due t vandalism by the fact you failed to provide references. If this persists, you may..." The so called vandalism for which I failed to provide refs. was to change "a geography reader" to "a reader in geography". Diffs are provided below:
- (1) My first edit
- (2) Thepoliticsexpert's first revert
- (3) My second edit
- (4) Thepoliticsexpert's second revert
- (5) Davidjones202's edit
- (6) Davidjones202's warning
I suspect Davidjones202 is a sock. I have made the same edits to the image captions on the Philip May article, per WP:N and WP:CIRC. 2.25.221.187 (talk) 02:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It looks to me as if 2.25.221.187 removed a lot of overlinking from Conservative Campaign Headquarters, and so their edit was justified. It would probably be best to file an SPI if you think there's socking going on, but I'm not sure that the admins there would consider what you've got to be sufficient. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I agree with Beyond My Ken; (speaking to the IP user - 2.25.221.187) your edits certainly were not vandalism. I'll ping Thepoliticsexpert so he can respond here. Thepoliticsexpert, what made you believe the IP's edits to be vandalism? Am I missing something you saw that I'm not? I just want to make sure just in case.
- If you believe Davidjones202 is a sock puppet account, what other account(s) do you believe Davidjones202 is a sock puppet of? Accusing an editor of sock puppetry is a serious assertion; you need to provide proof to back up such claims and be clear with who you believe someone is a sock puppet of and why. Don't make such accusations unless you can provide all of these items - and definitely do not make such accusations without proof! ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- On a side note, thank you for following the instructions here and for leaving an ANI notice :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you believe Davidjones202 is a sock puppet account, what other account(s) do you believe Davidjones202 is a sock puppet of? Accusing an editor of sock puppetry is a serious assertion; you need to provide proof to back up such claims and be clear with who you believe someone is a sock puppet of and why. Don't make such accusations unless you can provide all of these items - and definitely do not make such accusations without proof! ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Prevent vandalism of referenced content on Alexandra Borbély article
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Please add an edit ban on a user who removes my NEUTRALLY referenced edit. He keeps reverting it to a non-referenced version and leaves insults in the messages ("Stop fucking bullshit") The user is User:Ymblanter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.119.59 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Alexandra Borbély
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Since my 3RRN report was ignoored by everybody but Lugnuts, who is always happy to throw mud at me, may be someone can help me here. I am constantly getting reverted by an IP (seven reverts by now) in the article which I created about an actress of Hungarian ethnicity who is a Slovakian citizen. The IP wants that she is called a Hungarian actress in the article and not prepared for a compromise. They even found sources which say she is Hungarian actress, but this just means she acts in Hungarian films. (WP:MOS says the nationality must go to the lede). They completely ignore my arguments that she is a Slovakian citizen. May I please also remind to the community that in a similar situation, when I tried to change a lede of Mariam Mirzakhani which defined her as "Iranian mathematician" (Mirzakhani did not work a single day in Iran) I was booed at the talk page by a crown who did not even allow me to write in the lede that she worked in the US. We should be consistent and follow policies, right? My apologies for going there, but I somehow feel myself hopeless in front of a blatant POV pusher, I can not protect the article and I can not block them.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I apparently edit-conflicted with the previous topic, it was not there when I started writing my message.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Nigeria Prizes for Science and Literature
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Hi, the article Nigeria Prizes for Science and Literature used to look like this. It's a combo of two related prizes, The Nigeria Prize for Science and The Nigeria Prize for Literature. User:Ammarpad has chosen to split it into two articles Nigeria Prize for Science and Nigeria Prize for Literature and delete the former article by way of a page move. I asked to discuss and/or use Drafts as I disagree this prize needs two articles for various reasons. However they ignored the discussion and reverted back to the split: revert 1 and revert 2 breaking the WP:BRD cycle. I'm asking for help because the editor is not interested in discussing and it seems like the right course of action would to be to restore the original article, create Drafts of the proposed split (the current split articles are not complete and contain problems) and start a discussion on the talk page before making the split given that it is controversial. -- GreenC 20:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I never said I did not want discuss, so I don't know where you got that. Also I got this ANI notification while I was drafting response to your comment which is not true. You reverted to your preferred style immediately after you posted at my talkpage before I can even be able to see it, and now without any discussion within minutes you post here saying I didn't follow WP:BRD. Honestly I don't know what you mean –Ammarpad (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I just want to say that when/if this discussion goes to the talkpage for an RFC, I will vote in support on splitting the prizes. If we look at this in a strict mode, there is no award registered as Nigeria Prizes for Science and Literature. Encyclopedically, that could include other scientific and literature prizes in Nigeria. What is written in the official site for the awards is Nigeria Prize for Science and The Nigeria Prize for Literature, It also makes more sense for them to be separate as a scientific writer is different from a literary one. This is not a comment on the processes the led to the ANI though. HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The problem is the science prize will not pass WP:NOTE or WP:AFD. Without a combination it is hard to justify a standalone article. Both prizes are run by the same organization they are not really separate at an organizational level. -- GreenC 20:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That is not a problem. If it cannot pass AFD, then it is not notable and should be deleted. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That makes no sense and fails WP:PRESERVE. There can be a place for this award on Wikipedia. -- GreenC 20:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It makes sense. It already has a place –Ammarpad (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- If it is not notable, it should be merged. But we are not certain if it won't be notable. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @HB: They are both notable individually, they are distinct and have plethora of sources for expansion (I have saved up to 20 news reports and analyses on that and intend to expand them) especially criticism of the years they're not awarded and total restructuring of the Science award which make it even more distinct. I responded to him that way, perhaps he have confidence it will be deleted so he can nominate it for AfD, even me I don't support keeping non notable stuff whatever they are –Ammarpad (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with you, the prizes are huge. The first time I heard of it was when it was being analyzed on radio some years ago. They definitely deserve standalone articles. They are the first of its kind in Nigeria. I'm happy with the innovation by its creators and sponsors.HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @HB: They are both notable individually, they are distinct and have plethora of sources for expansion (I have saved up to 20 news reports and analyses on that and intend to expand them) especially criticism of the years they're not awarded and total restructuring of the Science award which make it even more distinct. I responded to him that way, perhaps he have confidence it will be deleted so he can nominate it for AfD, even me I don't support keeping non notable stuff whatever they are –Ammarpad (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- If it is not notable, it should be merged. But we are not certain if it won't be notable. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It makes sense. It already has a place –Ammarpad (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That makes no sense and fails WP:PRESERVE. There can be a place for this award on Wikipedia. -- GreenC 20:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That is not a problem. If it cannot pass AFD, then it is not notable and should be deleted. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The problem is the science prize will not pass WP:NOTE or WP:AFD. Without a combination it is hard to justify a standalone article. Both prizes are run by the same organization they are not really separate at an organizational level. -- GreenC 20:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also, Nigeria Prize for Literaturewas never article before, it was redirect to combined page when the prize was not so influential. So I never delete any article as you accused me here. I don't even have access to do that. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @HandsomeBoy: Not only that, they are separate prizes, they are awarded different time, different place, they just share name and sponsor. Moreover, although the cash reward is the same, over time, that for Literature gained more prominence as you can see by simple search. Moreover it is now the richest literary award on whole African continent, imagine to say it cannot have standalone page. See Category: literary awards where minor awards as per as $1000 have their own standalone page. I just don't know what he mean, as it seems, he is not even confident in himself that they can't have separate page, just he want me to use draft first which if he had checked well, he will know that I first drafted it in draft and later move it to redirect page, not any page as he alleged. The draft redirect is still there, this is not something hard to find. He just started this thread barely a hour after notifying me and few minutes after I log in, before I even be able to give him meaningful response–Ammarpad (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That is what I am saying. They are separate. I was just trying to explain that even NLNG uses "and" whenever they want to mention them in a sentence. Not sure if I can remember my parts of speech well, but there is a type of noun used for proper legitimate titles, "Nigeria Prizes for Science and Literature" is not a perfect example of that noun, so we shouldn't forcefully make it an article title.HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- They aren't really separate though the URL says http://www.nlng.com/Our-CSR/Pages/The-Nigeria-Prizes.aspx ("The Nigeria Prizes"). Lots of awards have separate prizes under the same award, where award is the legal body. Both share the same official webpage. -- GreenC 21:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- What a contradiction! So you quoted their website where they confirm they are separate prizes but you want them merged as you preferred! Apart from all the media reports I read never mixed them; see this category Category:Aurealis Awards, where not only they separate awards which are broadly and naturally different (Arts and Science) but every genre has its own standalone page. And the top award is no more prestigious than this–Ammarpad (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- They aren't really separate though the URL says http://www.nlng.com/Our-CSR/Pages/The-Nigeria-Prizes.aspx ("The Nigeria Prizes"). Lots of awards have separate prizes under the same award, where award is the legal body. Both share the same official webpage. -- GreenC 21:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That is what I am saying. They are separate. I was just trying to explain that even NLNG uses "and" whenever they want to mention them in a sentence. Not sure if I can remember my parts of speech well, but there is a type of noun used for proper legitimate titles, "Nigeria Prizes for Science and Literature" is not a perfect example of that noun, so we shouldn't forcefully make it an article title.HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @HandsomeBoy: Not only that, they are separate prizes, they are awarded different time, different place, they just share name and sponsor. Moreover, although the cash reward is the same, over time, that for Literature gained more prominence as you can see by simple search. Moreover it is now the richest literary award on whole African continent, imagine to say it cannot have standalone page. See Category: literary awards where minor awards as per as $1000 have their own standalone page. I just don't know what he mean, as it seems, he is not even confident in himself that they can't have separate page, just he want me to use draft first which if he had checked well, he will know that I first drafted it in draft and later move it to redirect page, not any page as he alleged. The draft redirect is still there, this is not something hard to find. He just started this thread barely a hour after notifying me and few minutes after I log in, before I even be able to give him meaningful response–Ammarpad (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
... so, now that discussion has started, wouldn't it be better to continue at the article's talk page? –FlyingAce✈hello 23:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Flyer22 Reborn
| Let's not turn a straightforward issue that was solved 2 minutes after posting (and solved again 7 minutes after posting) into unending sniping between old foes. Sebastian, put Flyer 22 on mute. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Hi. This wasn't supposed to be a big deal, but still Flyer22 Reborn acts rudely. When I made an edit on Draft:Star Wars The Last Jedi audience response, my edit was reverted with an edit summary. I saw that I was wrong, so I moved on. A while later, I got a notification from Flyer22 Reborn, who pinged my nick in a message on the draft talk. They were mostly talking about something else, and the prolem was fixed. So, I notified Flyer22 Reborn on their talk message to not ping me. He replied and pinged me again with a message that starts with "...at the risk of subjecting myself to your wrath,...". I was done with them, so I, again, sent a message to not ping me again, which I found very discomforting. He replied and accused me with being some kind of a puppeteer by stating: "...unless, of course, you edited Wikipedia as a different account and I offended you in that way...". I was disturbed so I changed my preferences because of them, and sent a message to let them know and to move on, to mind their business. They replied with an unkind manner, telling me what to do by moving "the hell on". They claimed that I was "harrasing" them. So, I came here to report my "silliness", and I want them to take a necessary warning. Thank you! Sebastian James (talk) 20:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sigh. Sebastian, if you stop replying to Flyer22 on their talk page, they'll stop having any excuse to ping you. Flyer22, stop pinging Sebastian when you know that's going to set him off. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wait! I just remembered, there's a thing now where you can set it to ignore pings from a particular person. I can't recall how it works, but someone here will remember I'm sure. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. Down at the bottom, you can now "mute" individual users. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wait! I just remembered, there's a thing now where you can set it to ignore pings from a particular person. I can't recall how it works, but someone here will remember I'm sure. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- While I welcome the information, really, if an editor doesn't want you to ping them, don't ping them. It's not asking THAT much and Flyer comes off as childish here. No comment on James' behavior, I haven't looked that heavily at it. --Tarage (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, of course, your opinion is soooo unbiased. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- While I welcome the information, really, if an editor doesn't want you to ping them, don't ping them. It's not asking THAT much and Flyer comes off as childish here. No comment on James' behavior, I haven't looked that heavily at it. --Tarage (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- If someone asks you to stop pinging them, you stop pinging them. Flyer, please respect other people's wishes. --Tarage (talk) 21:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also you HAVE to notify people when you talk about then in ANI. I'll go ahead and do it for you... --Tarage (talk) 21:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sighs. Like I told Sebastian James on my talk page, "WP:Pings are used for communication and collaboration and that includes explaining why you were reverted on this matter. They can save one having to go to an editor's talk page, prevent miscommunication and WP:Edit warring. If you do not want to be pinged, I suggest you disable your WP:Ping option."
- There is no valid reason to state that an editor should not ping another when the other has left a post on that editor's talk page, as if the poster is supposed to get the last word and explain their point of view and the other editor is not supposed to do that. Sebastian James fails to realize that Wikipedia is a collaborative community and that editors will be pinging him unless he disables that function. There is nothing at all to support his demand that I do not ping him on my talk page to reply to him. He should not have pestered me with his complaint in the first place. He should have moved on. His demand is akin to stating editors should not post on his talk page when an issue arises, and that type of thing never works out on this site. I note on my talk page that I would rather editors not post on it unless necessary, but I realize that editors will post on it for important issues. I also ask that editors do not ping me when I am already watching an article, but I do not ask that editors never ping me. If I wanted that, I would simply disable the pinging option. I could see not pinging Sebastian James if we had past tempestuous history and/or if there was an issue of me trying to harass him, but that is not case. I pinged him once on a draft talk page about an edit he made. Then he came to my talk page demanding that I don't ping him, and asserted that I alone should never ping him. If editors want to entertain this silliness, be my guest. But I will not. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- You pinged him in every single reply you made. Clearly he is watching the page if he's posting on your talk page. You don't find that the least bit petty? Grow up. --Tarage (talk) 21:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Like I stated on my talk page, you are not an unbiased commentator on this matter. And there is no "clearly he is watching the page if he's posting on [my] talk page." All his replies indicate is that he read my message due to me pinging him. You are blowing this matter up for no solid reason at all. Growing up includes not using a dispute between two editors to continue a grudge against another. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also I like how you flat out ignored Floquenbeam's statement that you needed to stop. --Tarage (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not at all. I have not pinged him again. And Floquenbeam was quick to note, like I noted, that Sebastian James can turn the ping option off. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- You pinged him in every single reply you made. Clearly he is watching the page if he's posting on your talk page. You don't find that the least bit petty? Grow up. --Tarage (talk) 21:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is no valid reason to state that an editor should not ping another when the other has left a post on that editor's talk page, as if the poster is supposed to get the last word and explain their point of view and the other editor is not supposed to do that. Sebastian James fails to realize that Wikipedia is a collaborative community and that editors will be pinging him unless he disables that function. There is nothing at all to support his demand that I do not ping him on my talk page to reply to him. He should not have pestered me with his complaint in the first place. He should have moved on. His demand is akin to stating editors should not post on his talk page when an issue arises, and that type of thing never works out on this site. I note on my talk page that I would rather editors not post on it unless necessary, but I realize that editors will post on it for important issues. I also ask that editors do not ping me when I am already watching an article, but I do not ask that editors never ping me. If I wanted that, I would simply disable the pinging option. I could see not pinging Sebastian James if we had past tempestuous history and/or if there was an issue of me trying to harass him, but that is not case. I pinged him once on a draft talk page about an edit he made. Then he came to my talk page demanding that I don't ping him, and asserted that I alone should never ping him. If editors want to entertain this silliness, be my guest. But I will not. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Probable sock
| ItsBlockingTime. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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User:MTNbw is harassing Montanabw and SlimVirgin. They are probably a sock of User:ItsLassieTime, who has been creating new accounts threatening various editors lately. White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That account was already blocked –Ammarpad (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I just noticed that. I had only looked at the userpage and the block was on the talk page. Sorry. White Arabian FillyNeigh 22:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is that ILT, for real? Holy moly. If true, he's been at it for at least 9 years. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I just noticed that. I had only looked at the userpage and the block was on the talk page. Sorry. White Arabian FillyNeigh 22:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Fegut is NOTHERE
| Trolls gonna troll, admins gonna block. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Fegut (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Requesting an indef NOTHERE block for Fegut. All edits thus far are questionable at best. User page is trollish. Noticed user by this edit
Main problem edits, changes in bold:
- Irwin Allen Ginsberg (/ˈɡɪnzbərɡ/; June 3, 1926 – April 5, 1997) was an American Jew and purveyor of filth, and one of the leading...
- The Romani (also spelled Romany; /ˈroʊməni/, /ˈrɒ-/), or Roma, are a parasitic type of vermin. A traditionally...
EvergreenFir (talk) 06:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support indef - Zero constructive edits, racist nonsense, block forever. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support indef Classic neo-nazi shit. Block forever and a bloody day. Irondome (talk) 06:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Done. El_C 07:09, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Potential COI and disruptive editing
| Clear expectations have been set and communicated with the user. Since the user hasn't edited since July 9 (at the time of this writing) - I think we can close this. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC) |
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TheCorageone1 seems to be a WP:SPA which was created to solely edit Defiant Wrestling. He has been an extremely disruptive editor and continues to add information to the article which goes against the stubify result from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defiant Wrestling. He was twice been asked on his talk page about potential COI, including once here [231] which provided evidence that they did declare themselves the owner of the logo in question, which would make them affiliated. He has not responded yet continues to edit the page. Despite the AfD on the initial article they started three spin off articles which all resulted in delete at, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defiant Championship, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defiant Women's Championship, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defiant Hardcore Championship. Despite the delete closing result, the information was merged and redirected by this user. We now also have 27 redirects to this page [232] and a template filled with redirects Template:Defiant Wrestling Champions.
All of this for a wrestling promotion who barely passes GNG if at all. Of the 41 references currently on the page, 12 of them are YouTube, 5 are WP:PRIMARY, and 9 are from cagematch (which is an RS for stats but not for notability). This user has clearly not done anything to benefit the purpose of the stubify, only to fluff the article. - GalatzTalk 15:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- It appears that posting this here has gotten the user to stop editing the article as he has not made any edits in the past couple days, however some assistance on the matter would still be appreciated. Thanks - GalatzTalk 23:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- I just want to chime in to back Galatz up. Corageone1 has been the main player here but this article has had a problem with other SPAs in the past. It would be helpful if others could add Defiant Wrestling to their watchlists to look for disruptive activity.LM2000 (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- It looks like the content added since the AFD either isn't referenced by a reliable source or isn't within the ruling of the AFD to keep the article short (which basically removed a bunch of what is being added now). Remove the content you feel isn't appropriate and link to the AFD page and cite policy in your edit summaries. If the user restores the content repeatedly and begins edit warring, and fails to respond to the relevant discussion on the article's talk page, then file a report at WP:AN3. Just don't engage in any edit warring; report violations when they occur, and stick to the article's talk page and continue to engage in the relevant discussion.
- TheCorageone1 - You need to participate on the article's talk page and discuss the changes you wish to make to the article - especially if other editors object to it. Failing to participate in the relevant discussion and after others have asked you to, and continuing to add content against consensus is disruptive. Before you add any more content, you need to discuss it and everyone needs to come to an agreement first. This is proper dispute resolution protocol and a policy that needs to be followed.
- Other than what I've written above directly to TheCorageone1, I don't see the need to take any action at this time. TheCorageone1 has been warned here (I'll also leave a message on this user talk page) - he must discuss his desired changes on the article's talk page and consensus must be reached first before (any) resulting edits are made to the article. Failure to follow these policies and practices moving forward can be fairly interpreted as disruptive now that the expectations have been made clear. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Done. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Other than what I've written above directly to TheCorageone1, I don't see the need to take any action at this time. TheCorageone1 has been warned here (I'll also leave a message on this user talk page) - he must discuss his desired changes on the article's talk page and consensus must be reached first before (any) resulting edits are made to the article. Failure to follow these policies and practices moving forward can be fairly interpreted as disruptive now that the expectations have been made clear. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Interaction ban violation
| WP:BOOMERANG was applied and the OP blocked as a result of this discussion. To clarify as a closing comment: Stating that you have an interaction ban and that your participation in an article or discussion needs to stop because of this - is not itself a violation of an interaction ban. So long as no attempts are made to actively interact with the other party, there's no harm in disclosing that fact to other editors. Darkness Shines - I'm sorry to see that this had to end with you being blocked; I understand that you believed this to be an interaction ban violation and creating an ANI report with this legitimate belief is fi Ine... but when you're repeatedly told that it wasn't a violation and you respond with continued rebuttal, and when you continue to press the issue further despite being warned and asked to stop, imposing action was the logical next step. If you have questions about any of this, please feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to answer them and help you. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC) |
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This is an interaction ban violation by C. W. Gilmore, as he is linking to my edits on an article I created in that post. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- And you just commented here immediately after he did. I think he did indeed violate the interaction ban, and you are skirting very close to it.Slatersteven (talk) 14:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I had three edit conflicts, I did not respond to him, I was commenting on what you wrote, and given I created the article in question I think I have reason to comment on the issue raised. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, responding that you can't participate in a discussion because of an interaction ban is not a violation of the interaction ban.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is linking to my edits not a violation? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- In fact the IBAN Policy says, "make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly" I'm pretty sure linking to me edits on an article are covered by that Darkness Shines (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- He was simply stating that he couldn't participate further in making contributions to an article because of the interaction ban - that's not a violation of an interaction ban to say this (in fact, it's good that he disclosed that so that others understood). He wasn't violating the interaction ban by attempting to actively interact with you. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is linking to my edits like this not an violation? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Linking to your contributions can be a violation of an interaction ban, sure - but it depends on the situation and the context. In this situation, I wouldn't flag this as "encroachment over the line of scrimmage here" - he was just saying, "hey, I have an interaction ban and he's made edits here, so I need to back off". That's perfectly reasonable to do - he's trying to honor the sanction. Give the guy a little credit here :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is linking to my edits like this not an violation? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- He was simply stating that he couldn't participate further in making contributions to an article because of the interaction ban - that's not a violation of an interaction ban to say this (in fact, it's good that he disclosed that so that others understood). He wasn't violating the interaction ban by attempting to actively interact with you. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Reverted my edit and my Talking Page mistake [233]. My intention was to tell the other editor the reason I could not bring up the issues about the Antisemitism in the Labour Party as I wanted to stay away. Slatersteven had previously urged me to do more editing closer to the edge of the IBAN and I had declined, it was my attempt to state again, why I could not get too near things or participate more actively. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't agree that this is a violation. In fact, I remember previously saying something to that effect. Reyk YO! 15:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Darkness Shines, drop this report now and walk away, or you'll be blocked for violating the IBAN. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- You really don't get how IBANS work do you Sarek, reporting violations are an exemption, or do you need to block me and then have to unblock me again like the last time? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I hate to be the "bad guy", but I agree with SarekOfVulcan here. The discussion and over-reaction to a simple statement is going way beyond and into IBAN territory on your end than with what C. W. Gilmoreintended to do in the first place. Let's just step back, understand that it's okay and that he didn't step over the line, and lets just move on peacefully and take this as a learning experience - okay? There's no need to be frustrated or upset :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have precisely zero expertise or authority here, but I feel compelled to speak up. As a wise man once said, de minimis non curat Wikipedia. I have watched this little imbroglio from afar, and I have certainly seen times when I thought Mr. Gilmore was in the wrong. This is not one of them. Happy Friday all. Dumuzid (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked 2 weeks per bad-faith IBAN report. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I hate to be the "bad guy", but I agree with SarekOfVulcan here. The discussion and over-reaction to a simple statement is going way beyond and into IBAN territory on your end than with what C. W. Gilmoreintended to do in the first place. Let's just step back, understand that it's okay and that he didn't step over the line, and lets just move on peacefully and take this as a learning experience - okay? There's no need to be frustrated or upset :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
| Euryalus runs ArbCom so you know. Plus, der Floq is on the case. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- As multiple users (including the first-person singular) have opined the block is a clear violation of WP:INVOLVED, this should be reopened, or a new thread should be started. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area.
--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)- Perfect! Thus, you are clearly involved, demonstrated by the text you highlighted. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- ...right. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your previous involvement is not "minor", and it most certainly "speaks to bias", as you've previously blocked this user inappropriately for the same "infraction". It baffles me that you would highlight that text, as it speaks to the very essence of WP:INVOLVED. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Minor" is irrelevant. "Purely in an administrative role" is the governing clause there. It wasn't the "same" infraction, and it hardly "speaks to bias", since I've blocked both of them for poking at the other. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Minor is irrelevant"? Are you fucking kidding me? It's part of the text that you highlighted as evidence of your innocence. "Minor is irrelevant". Yeah, he really did say that. Wow. Just wow. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Considering it's on the wrong side of an "or", yes.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, shit, you got me there! "It's on the wrong side of an or"! Joefromrandb (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Considering it's on the wrong side of an "or", yes.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Minor is irrelevant"? Are you fucking kidding me? It's part of the text that you highlighted as evidence of your innocence. "Minor is irrelevant". Yeah, he really did say that. Wow. Just wow. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- "Minor" is irrelevant. "Purely in an administrative role" is the governing clause there. It wasn't the "same" infraction, and it hardly "speaks to bias", since I've blocked both of them for poking at the other. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your previous involvement is not "minor", and it most certainly "speaks to bias", as you've previously blocked this user inappropriately for the same "infraction". It baffles me that you would highlight that text, as it speaks to the very essence of WP:INVOLVED. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- ...right. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Perfect! Thus, you are clearly involved, demonstrated by the text you highlighted. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- A second administrator has agreed with the block though. I for one also agree with it. --Tarage (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if a hundred administrators agree with it. WP:INVOLVED is quite clear. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) It's a bad block. Period. It prevents nothing and is further questionable given that Sarek is involved, despite his poor attempts at convincing us otherwise. It's also not his first poor block on this user. Nihlus 21:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- An admin should've instantly closed the thread as no violation and then went to DS's talkpage to state why it wasn't a violation ..... instead he was allowed to question it here and unfortunately came across as not being able to drop the stick (a stick he may not of had to begin with), The block was piss poor .... A 2 day block sure he can live with that anyone can but a 2 week block all for questioning why it wasn't a violation is heavy handed to say the least. –Davey2010Talk 22:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- When a user nibbles at the edge of their IBAN, it's bad faith, and they have no one to blame but themselves when they get blocked for it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
His first block for violating the IBAN was a week.I blocked him for disruptive editing for 1 week in December. After that, I blocked him for an IBAN vio for 2 weeks, but was overturned after ANI discussion. This one was the same length. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)- Except that this one is going to wind up being overturned too. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Struck my original mischaracterization of that block. My apologies. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I've started a site ban proposal.Appears to be a net negative, looking at his block log, with long term disruption coming from him. !dave 22:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC) revised 22:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)- It might be best to hold off on that until his block has expired, and see if he does better. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Undone. !dave 22:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It might be best to hold off on that until his block has expired, and see if he does better. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Bad block - should have just closed the report. Regardless of what Sarek says above he is involved. His previous block of DS was overturned, which he disagreed with, and appears to be out to get DS now. Mr Ernie (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It appears that DS is actively looking for violations, which is just begging for trouble. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, which means he hasn't done anything wrong yet. Therefore, this block is ridiculous and the fact that Sarek is wasting the community's time is further problematic. Nihlus 22:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Nihlus, please actually read the thread before posting in it. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're in no position to be telling others what to do or to be assuming anything about what they have done up until now. I advise you stop digging. Nihlus 22:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Seriously! There's clearly no consensus for this block, and in all likelihood, consensus is against it. Why force someone to overturn it? Just unblock him already. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Agree. Admins are supposed to help prevent disruption, not actively cause it. Mr Ernie (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Nihlus, please actually read the thread before posting in it. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Right, which means he hasn't done anything wrong yet. Therefore, this block is ridiculous and the fact that Sarek is wasting the community's time is further problematic. Nihlus 22:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It appears that DS is actively looking for violations, which is just begging for trouble. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is very quickly turning into a clusterfuck, if it hasn't already. --Tarage (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- You think? Joefromrandb (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ec)Gilmore is saying "I can't talk about it because I'm under an IBAN". Darkness Shines is claiming "I can't talk about it" constitutes talking about it, is trying to get Gilmore blocked for saying that, and won't take no for an answer. Gaming an IBAN to attack your opponent seems a worse violation of it than merely mentioning that it exists. I think an uninvolved admin would have closed this the same way. ReykYO! 23:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps. The fact is that an uninvolved administrator didn't close it. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- That argument amounts to wikilawyering. DS appears to be nibbling at the edge of the IBAN. That's a bad-faith activity. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly. Gilmore acted in good faith and DS reported him to ANI for it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Lepricavark (talk) 23:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I wish an uninvolved admin had closed it. As it stands Sarek gleefully reapplied another bad block that the community overturned a few weeks ago. Mr Ernie (talk) 23:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps. The fact is that an uninvolved administrator didn't close it. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have always been a strong proponent of the "talk before block" approach -- and that was followed successfully here. Three seperate editors explained to DS the reality of the situation; DS refused to accept it. Regardless of whether Sarek was involved or not, the end result would have been the same.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not necessarily, and even if it's true, there's still the issue of a clear and unambiguous violation of WP:INVOLVED going unsanctioned. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- While I generally disagree that this was an involved block, I have to recommend Sarek lay off the constant replies to DS. It is not improving the situation in the slightest. --Tarage (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure "constant replies" is a fair characterization. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- This could all have been avoided if DS had communicated with his most trusted admin via email instead of bringing it up out in the open. And also if DS weren't actively looking for violations. What he should be doing is pretending the other guy does not exist. If one is in an IBAN, it must be fully embraced or it won't work. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 23:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It sounds like he doesn't have a trusted admin, based on his talk page. --Tarage (talk) 00:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- If not, then he's painted himself into a corner. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- It sounds like he doesn't have a trusted admin, based on his talk page. --Tarage (talk) 00:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- It also could have been avoided if SarekOfVulacn had observed WP:INVOLVED, which he instead chose to ignore. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Joe I hate to say it, but this drum you are beating isn't helping. Several admins have commented on this, and nearly all of them are in agreement. I very much doubt you are going to her this ban overturned. Lessened maybe, but that's about it. I don't think bludgeoning things as you are is going to help. --Tarage (talk) 00:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not "bludgeoning" anything. If Sarek owned up to his infraction and fixed his mistake, and then I continued to berate him, that would be bludgeoning. For now, at least, he's refusing to accept responsibility for his actions. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- 2 admins have commented, and one was involved. Also you’ll rarely see an admin side with a mere editor in a dispute with another admin - especially not an editor with a block log. Mr Ernie (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, you two are bludgeoning, and it's becoming obnoxious. We get it. You think he was involved. You've said as much about 10 times now. You clearly are not going to get the apology you want, so why not step back and let other people look into it? Replying to every damn statement he makes with "Y U NO ADMIT WRONG" is not helpful. --Tarage (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- You don't get the first thing. I don't give a good rat's ass about an "apology", and I don't "think" he was involved; I showed, citing policy, that he was involved. Now you're bludgeoning me, so knock it off. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, you two are bludgeoning, and it's becoming obnoxious. We get it. You think he was involved. You've said as much about 10 times now. You clearly are not going to get the apology you want, so why not step back and let other people look into it? Replying to every damn statement he makes with "Y U NO ADMIT WRONG" is not helpful. --Tarage (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Joe I hate to say it, but this drum you are beating isn't helping. Several admins have commented on this, and nearly all of them are in agreement. I very much doubt you are going to her this ban overturned. Lessened maybe, but that's about it. I don't think bludgeoning things as you are is going to help. --Tarage (talk) 00:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- This could all have been avoided if DS had communicated with his most trusted admin via email instead of bringing it up out in the open. And also if DS weren't actively looking for violations. What he should be doing is pretending the other guy does not exist. If one is in an IBAN, it must be fully embraced or it won't work. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 23:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure "constant replies" is a fair characterization. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- "you've previously blocked this user inappropriately for the same "infraction"" - this does not mean additional blocks for the same infraction are WP:INVOLVED violations. - The BushrangerOne ping only 00:29, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- LOL. Sure it doesn't. Sure. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, the policy is very specific that that is what it means. I'm sorry you don't understand that. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- This isn't rocket science. Once you've blocked a user inappropriately, you don't block the user again, especially not for the same offense for which you originally applied an inappropriate block. You can lawyer until you're blue in the face; this was a revenge block, plain and simple. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, the policy is very specific that that is what it means. I'm sorry you don't understand that. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- LOL. Sure it doesn't. Sure. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Question: Has anything changed since I NAC re-closed this thread as "more heat than light" and someone (I haven't look at the history) re-opened it? I don't think anything has changed at all. Basically the same things are being repeated: the same people are saying the same stuff and being responded to by the same people who responded before. It seems extremely unlikely that Sarek is going to undo his block as a result of this discussion, or that Joefromrandb is going to change his opinion that Sarek was INVOLVED. Darkness Shines has filed an unblock request, so an uninvolved admin can weigh in on it. If anyone really, really feels the need to keep expounding on this, there's a thread on User talk:Darkness Shines.I would recommend that someone, preferably an admin, re-close this before someone says something that will get them blocked. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Second. The fact that no other admin has reversed the block is telling of what the outcome will probably be. --Tarage (talk) 00:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I tried closing the thread, but Joefromrandb had other ideas. Lepricavark (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Second. The fact that no other admin has reversed the block is telling of what the outcome will probably be. --Tarage (talk) 00:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm considering reversing the block, so that's not a good reason to shut down the thread. I suppose a case could be made that a good reason to shut it down is that everyone is saying the same things over and over again, just louder and more insistently. What would be fantastic is if instead of closing it early, everyone chilled a little. But there is an unresolved issue here. How about this: those of you who think Sarek is "involved", consider me to have taken over the first 12 hours of this block (those who think he isn't involved can ignore). So for 12 hours, there isn't going to be any unblock for INVOLVED reasons. Now, anyone have any thoughts that haven't been repeated 3 or more times already above? --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes: thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Given that DS still does not understand why he was blocked, is not ready to be unblocked. I don't think he needs to be blocked for the full two weeks, but it would be helpful if he showed some understanding of why he was blocked in the first place. Lepricavark (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, Floq, in that case please file this for later use somewhere--I typed really hard at it. "Sorry Joe, but there is clearly no agreement that this is somehow an involved block; the one diff DS lists does not make involvement with all-caps--and the "pound of flesh" is way too vindictive: sorry, but that's a low blow, and I don't see any evidence of it. DS, there may be reasons to disagree with the block, and arguments/statements to make in an unblock request, but that Sarek is involved and thus should stay out of it is not a good one. I'm closing this: if anyone wants to bring Sarek up at ArbCom they are welcomee to, and DS doesn't need this for an unblock request." I was closing this... Drmies (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is inherently impossible for editors who think they were unjustly blocked to show some understanding of why they were blocked. An admin should have shut down the original report with a simple “closing as no violation.” If Darkness Shines continued to persist after that then a block may have been an option. It is not beneficial to the project to be blocking editors as a first step. Sarek’s participation fanned the flames due to DS’s perception that he had been unfairly treated by Sarek before. Let’s please use common sense and compassion before blocks. Mr Ernie (talk) 01:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's actually a very good point. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- BTW, I don't think I would have blocked for two weeks, and I might not have blocked at all, but these are always judgment calls. The snark was certainly counterproductive, and telling the blocking admin they don't know policy (and I agree with Sarek that C.W. Gilmore's comment was not an IBAN violation) and continuing to yell at him is also not helpful. I do not agree that the block was punitive, or that Sarek was involved. For the record, I am well aware of the history between DS and C.W. Gilmore, and I suppose I've yelled at both of them.
Mr Ernie, we can hardly take into account every time we block how the person we block might feel about that. And the block wasn't for not showing understanding why they were blocked--it was for not understanding, or refusing to understand, that their invalid report of an iBan violation had kind of turned into a violation of the iBan. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- YES! Exactly. Thank you, Drmies, that's the phrasing that was escaping me. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- The point Mr. Ernie was making is that you could have shut it down then & there. Instead, you fed him rope, lay in wait, & then pounced. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- YES! Exactly. Thank you, Drmies, that's the phrasing that was escaping me. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would say: Unblock DS. Tell C.W. Gilmore not to link to DS, mention him ect. Tell DS dont come here BEFORE talking to a trusted admin. Everybody else shut the hell up and get back to work and CLOSE this thread now....buts thats just me, your mileage might vary. --Malerooster (talk) 01:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- What Malerooster said, re closing this thread. The next meaningful admin action in this saga is determining the current unblock appeal on Darkness Shines' talkpage. Theres no benefit in holding this conversation here and there simultaneously, and "there" seems a more logical venue at this stage. -- Euryalus (talk) 02:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Potential trouble?
The user DS is saying that after the block's finished, he's going to create a new account. Nothing wrong with that, except he may be under the false impression that his new account won't be subject to the IBAN. In any ban situation, it's the guy behind the user ID, not just the ID itself, which is banned. Right? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sanctions apply to the user and not the IP or account. - The BushrangerOne ping only 20:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Correct, and he is also not eligible to change accounts under the clean start policy due to having that active IBAN sanction in effect. He'll need to connect or disclose on any new account he creates that he is this user. If he creates and begins using an account and fails to do this, it can (and likely will) be been seen as attempting to evade scrutiny or active sanctions and as a violation of Wikipedia's sock puppetry policy. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just keep kicking the guy! Great work! Joefromrandb (talk) 02:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- He needs to know that just creating a new account is not going to fix anything, and could lead to a permanent block if violates the IBAN. Of course, if he creates a new account and totally adheres to the IBAN, then all will be swell. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just keep kicking the guy! Great work! Joefromrandb (talk) 02:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Correct, and he is also not eligible to change accounts under the clean start policy due to having that active IBAN sanction in effect. He'll need to connect or disclose on any new account he creates that he is this user. If he creates and begins using an account and fails to do this, it can (and likely will) be been seen as attempting to evade scrutiny or active sanctions and as a violation of Wikipedia's sock puppetry policy. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is no one able to tell when someone is venting and blowing steam? Why are we having these asides about a snide remark made in an edit summary by someone who has been given the short end of the stick up until now? Baseball Bugs You've done nothing but made this worse. Nihlus 02:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- If all it is is venting, then all will be swell. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
"Extreme docufiction"
| Tertulius (and two other accounts) blocked as socks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A few days ago, I removed sections on "hybrid pictures" and "extreme docufiction" from the article on docufiction, on the grounds that the content was poorly written (sample text: "On the other hand, persons playing their own roles in real life and in real time is another that gave basement to it.") and difficult to parse exactly what it was trying to say — and, in fact, it appears to be edging into an original research essay, as its content isn't actually supported by its sources. For example, the sentence "The stories these adventurers tell about such encounters are cryptic and highlight an uncomfortable paradox that haunts them all in different ways" was sourced to this very basic "filmmaking 101" definition of the difference between script-based feature film and documentary film which says nothing about adventurers being cryptic or paradoxical or haunted, or anything else whatsoever about the concept of films that blend documentary with fictional elements. None of the other sources were any better at actually reflecting the statements being sourced to them either, so I simply removed the section.
But a few days later, the section's original author Tertulius challenged me on the article's talk page, making the questionable claim that his addition was itself responsible for a manifold increase in the page's popularity and demanding that I reconsider my decision and "find a reasonable solution" (by which presumably he meant "leave me alone to do whatever the hell I want", because there's no "reasonable solution" other than deletion, to a poorly written section that isn't actually supported by its references), before readding it to the article himself. He added one new source this time that wasn't present in their prior version, but it still doesn't actually support any of the content either — nowhere in that entire document (an academic thesis) does its author define any such thing as "extreme docufiction" whatsoever. And if I try to Google the phrase "extreme docufiction" to look for other sources, it literally exists nowhere but Wikipedia and its mirrors. Simply put, it's either an outright hoax or Tertulius' own new original research theory that he's trying to use Wikipedia to advance — it is simply not a recognized thing that real-world sources discuss at all.
This has happened on at least two prior occasions, further: a few weeks after Tertulius first added it in 2015, an anonymous IP removed it on the grounds that it was incoherent and horribly worded, following which Tertulius readded it again in early 2016, and then just a few months ago Beland removed it on the grounds that it has an inappropriate tone, following which Tertulius again readded it himself. There seem to be some real ownership issues here, in that Tertulius seems to be unwilling to discuss anybody's concerns about the content's suitability for Wikipedia — on two of the three occasions that it's been removed, he simply restored it without any discussion at all, and on the third he just asserted without any real evidence that the content was "popular" and then readded it again. But if he restores it again, I'm not going to be able to revert him without tripping the WP:3RR wire, so I wanted to ask for some outside assistance. Bearcat (talk) 23:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Bearcat - I agree that the sentences you quoted at the beginning of your discussion statement are grammatically poor and need clarity or improvement to reflect their intended assertions. Someone who refutes your removal of poorly worded content because they're not fond of it isn't valid - sure, they attempted to add sources, but if they don't reflect the content in the article, then it's useless... I'm reading into this more and will update afterwards. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 07:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Tertulius has readded the content again, this time as "hybridity in docufiction" — but it's still written like a semi-coherent aesthetics essay ("There, one may feel just a little confuse (and that may be amusing) or, in the worst case, desperate (and that may be tragic) [54], there or anywhere else [55] [56] [57]") rather than encyclopedic content. And while there are sources present in the new version that could potentially be salvaged for other purposes in the article, they still don't support the content the're being cited for: 54, for example, says nothing about how tragic desperation is, and none of 54-57 support anything about the thereness or anywhere-elseness of anything. This is getting pretty tiresome, needless to say. Bearcat (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Bearcat - Your frustration is completely understandable; hopefully my neutral and administrative involvement will at least help drive the discussion to come to a close. I've left an edit warring notice on Tertulius' user talk page. Not taking any of the content that's in dispute into account, edits and reverts are being made onto the article and without the dispute being resolved on it's talk page first. I'm hoping that this will stop this and drive focus to the discussion. Whether your changes or his changes are right or wrong can be determined there; my first priority (of course) is to stop the continued reverting first, then see if I can't try and help the discussion come to a resolution :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Tertulius has readded the content again, this time as "hybridity in docufiction" — but it's still written like a semi-coherent aesthetics essay ("There, one may feel just a little confuse (and that may be amusing) or, in the worst case, desperate (and that may be tragic) [54], there or anywhere else [55] [56] [57]") rather than encyclopedic content. And while there are sources present in the new version that could potentially be salvaged for other purposes in the article, they still don't support the content the're being cited for: 54, for example, says nothing about how tragic desperation is, and none of 54-57 support anything about the thereness or anywhere-elseness of anything. This is getting pretty tiresome, needless to say. Bearcat (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Maximiliano Korstanje
- Maximiliano Korstanje (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views)
- 190.104.232.132 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (METROTEL.COM.AR)
- 181.92.112.140 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR)
- Dyck99 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Noellesch9 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 190.226.154.234 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR)
- Vanrobert99 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 181.105.12.127 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR)
- 181.92.114.86 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR)
- 186.125.41.230 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR)
- 181.90.148.76 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (TA.TELECOM.COM.AR
etc.
Maximiliano Korstanje is an Argentine sociologist. A small number of IPs and accounts have extensively edited his article, adding much resume inflation which has since been rolled back, and also editing numerous other articles to add his viws primary sourced from his own publications, again rolled back.
Today I blocked 190.104.232.132, after the IP reinserted another mention of Korstanje primary-sourced to his published work. I blocked for:
- Promotional editing, adding WP:REFSPAM to Maximiliano Korstanje (IP address geolocates to subject's location and edits suggest a close connection).
- Disruptive editing, adding all-capitalised meta-commentary to mainspace which also strongly suggest that this IP is, or is closely associated with, Korstanje.
- The entire editing history of this IP is indicative of strong POV aggressively pushed (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nova_Science_Publishers&diff=prev&oldid=740686385).
I think it may be time for a formal ban on the person behind these IPs and accounts. Style and meta-commentary makes it unlikely it's more than one person. Guy (Help!) 12:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support formal ban on the person. I've also had experience of these IPs/accounts and assumed good faith of the account User:Noellesch9 till my eyes bled; then I indeffed. I agree it's probably all one person — as you say, a person that is... yes, closely associated with Korstanje. This comment from Noellesch9, their last, is interesting; it suggests the promoter has moved to the English Wikipedia because they couldn't get any traction in Spanish wiki (because all the editors who opposed their editing there were it seems "abusive" and "never intellectuals"). A formal ban on the person behind this would be morally satisfying, and I support it. Practically speaking, we'll also most likely have to semi the article Maximiliano Korstanje forever and a day. And how about a filter for keeping out Korstanje-related spam from other articles? (Said she hazily. I don't understand filters very well.) Bishonen talk 21:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC).
72.185.108.110
- 72.185.108.110 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
Going through their contribution history, they seem to be adding unnecessary cruft[234][235], removing content[236][237], and generally being a nuisance.[238][239][240]. Their intention to disrupt couldn't be more clear. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 00:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Those last three items, deleting from one's own talk page, are within the IP's rights. In fact, restoring them was not appropriate. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 01:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Baseball Bugs Yes, but it gives off an WP:IDHT mentality on the editors part. Especially considering how they keep doing what is getting them warned. It also may be to circumvent a block being given multiple level one warnings, rather in the typical fashion (1, 2, 3, 4im). Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The IP's other edits look questionable. But I recommend you strike the complaint about him deleting stuff from his own talk page. That's permissible; it's not "being a nuisance". ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 01:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It can be considered a nuisance, taken into account how they are abusing the privledge to remove warnings from their talk page. I stand by what I said. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The IP is free to remove warnings from its talk page, and reposting them is disruptive behavior. Concentrate on the questionable content, not on what they are permitted to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It can be considered a nuisance, taken into account how they are abusing the privledge to remove warnings from their talk page. I stand by what I said. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The IP's other edits look questionable. But I recommend you strike the complaint about him deleting stuff from his own talk page. That's permissible; it's not "being a nuisance". ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 01:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Anyone who adds a warning to a talk page should probably check the history of the page before adding it anyway. It's better than saying "You can't remove X from your talk page." --Tarage (talk) 01:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortuately, a majority of vandal-fighters do not do so. That, or they are using an semi-automated program that leaves a warning corresponding to the last warning on their talk page. If a warning is removed, it defaults to level one. Even ClueBot NG has this issue. Besides, I never said they cannot remove warnings from their talk page, I was pointing out how they were being generally disruptive and abusing the priviledge to do so. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's a right, not a privilege. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 02:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Fine, I still stand by what I said. I used their removal of talk page warnings as an example of probable suspicion that they have a intent to disrupt. Especially given the persistent removing the warnings in such a short time span. Getting back to the point of the reason I filed this. Their edits seem to be, for the most part, questionable to outright disruption. As I said originally, it's clear that building to the encyclopedia is not their intention. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 03:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's a right, not a privilege. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 02:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortuately, a majority of vandal-fighters do not do so. That, or they are using an semi-automated program that leaves a warning corresponding to the last warning on their talk page. If a warning is removed, it defaults to level one. Even ClueBot NG has this issue. Besides, I never said they cannot remove warnings from their talk page, I was pointing out how they were being generally disruptive and abusing the priviledge to do so. Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Baseball Bugs Yes, but it gives off an WP:IDHT mentality on the editors part. Especially considering how they keep doing what is getting them warned. It also may be to circumvent a block being given multiple level one warnings, rather in the typical fashion (1, 2, 3, 4im). Boomer VialBe ready to fight the horde! • Contribs 01:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Repeated Addition of Unsourced Material to List of Bible verses not included in modern translations.
| Nothing more to be done right now. --NeilN talk to me 22:24, 14 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- List of Bible verses not included in modern translations (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views)
- Sussmanbern (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Our issue here is the repeated insertion of unsourced claims by Sussmanbern (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), in violation of Wikipedia policy WP:V, which states, among other things, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." Sussberman continues to ignore WP:V despite various reminders over a period now a month long of weeks.
A Timeline
At 12:51 17 December 2017, User:Sussmanbern was told by User:Dimadick about the importance of making sure that all new additions to the article have proper inline citations, in order to avoid having the material deleted. (There had been earlier conflicts, among other parties, over the addition of unsourced material to this article, which can easily be seen at the talk page). Here is the diff of Dimadick's statement: [241].
Sussberman asked for a summary of the earlier conflicts, "so tI know what to avoid doing." [242]
Reiterating Dimadick's point, I told Sussmanberg that the thing to avoid doing was the addition of unsourced material to the page: [243] (31 December).
Sussmanberg assured me that they "can appreciate the problem of additions without source citations." [244].
At 04:18, 7 January 2018, I took a look at the article and found it to be filled with uncited claims. I removed a number of them: [245]
At 19:50, 7 January 2018, Sussberman left a notice at my talk page announcing his ownership of the Wikipedia page, and that I am not allowed to interfere with anything he writes, "until Feb 14, 2018 . . . PLEASE DO NOT TAMPER WITH MY WRITING WHILE I AM WRITING."
At 19:54, Sussberman complained that their Second Amendment rights were being violated at the talk page: [246].
At 20:22, Sussberman posted a statement of WP:OWNERSHIP directly in the article text itself: [247].
At 20:28, I replied at my talk page, notifying Sussberman about the contents of policy pages WP:OWN and WP:V. [248]
Sussberman ignored my reply.
At 20:35, Sussberman added more unsourced material to the page: [249].
At 1:01, 8 January 2018, Sussberman added more unsourced material to the page: [250].
At 1:22, Sussberman reverted my previous edit, restoring a great deal of unsourced content despite the previous repeated reminders about this: [251].
At 1:36, I wrote a second reminder, this time on the talk page: [252].
In the interests of avoiding an editing war, I asked Sussberman whether they were now willing to abide by WP:V, or whether I should seek dispute resolution. I have received no reply, and Sussberman continues editing away.
I request that administrators take some kind of action — it doesn't matter to me exactly what — to ensure that the addition of unsourced material to this article does not continue. I do not want to edit-war here, so I can't just keep removing the stuff myself. Alephb (talk) 02:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Having received Alephb's comments, I am in the midst of adding citations to the text that he deleted. I am trying to find and transfer citations and links as fast as I can. Sussmanbern (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Even within the last few hours, even as I was adding citations, Alephb was still erasing my stuff - I found I was collecting citations for text that no longer existed, and he took particular pains to repeatedly delete a quotation WITH citation that I went to some effort to find. I am ready to dump this whole project. Sussmanbern (talk) 04:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- If it helps, I would be happy to copy the entire deleted text to the talk page or any piece of your userspace that you specify, so that you can add citations to it and then re-add it to the article. If I deleted anything that was properly cited, that was certainly a mistake, and if you just show me the quote, I would be more than happy to add it back in myself, if you like. Alephb (talk) 04:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is worth noting, at this point, that the continued addition of uncited material by Sussmanbern has continued even after the beginning of this ANI thread: [253]. The added material there speaks to the motives of the translators of various post-1880 Bible translators and editors. He added that to a previously correctly-cited quote from a writer in 1832. The quote is cited -- the additional material about what people were thinking several decades later is not. WP:V is still not being followed. In the interest of not edit-warring, I'm simply going the leave the uncited material there, but I would urge Sussmanbern to delete his claims about the motives of these translators until he can find a reliable source backing up the claims. And I would ask Sussmanbern to substantiate his claim that I removed a properly cited claim, or to strike out the accusation. One
ofor the other. Alephb (talk) 04:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC) - Here's another edit by Sussberman, still as this ANI goes on: [254]. It purports to give the "Reason" that modern Bible translations omit a particular verse, but does not cite any source that confirms that the "reason" given is in fact the reason the modern translators have omitted this verse. This is also a violation of WP:V. I'm surprised to see this behavior going on MID-ANI. Alephb (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- And . . . here's a third WP:V violation, also made while this ANI goes on: [255]. The unsourced part is, "Both verses 44 and 46 are duplicates of verse 48, which remains in the text. Verses 44 and 46 are both lacking in א,B,C,L,ƒ<super>1</super>, and some mss of the ancient versions, but appear in somewhat later sources." What somewhat later sources? Why no citation? How difficult is this? Alephb (talk) 04:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- And now we have a fourth WP:V violation: [256]. It makes an uncited claim about what motivates modern translators, about what is written in the original handwriting of a particular manuscript, uncited claims about which manuscripts are more, or less, ancient, and an uncited claim that uncited editors "seem confident." Alephb (talk) 04:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a fifth: [257]. It alleges that several books have been written on a particular passage, without citing any books written on that passage. Alephb (talk) 05:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's number six: [258]. It alleges things about "most modern versions" and their treatment of two passages, without a supporting citation. It also says the passages are supported by a "wide variety" or uncited sources, and the uncited claim that "there are strong reasons to doubt that the words were part of the original text of the Gospels." Alephb (talk) 05:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Here's number seven: [259]. It alleges that "some Italic mss" include a particular verse. No source is cited. Alephb (talk) 05:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The "Reasons" that Alephb says are unsourced cite mss listed in the critical editions of the Greek NT mentioned by name in my Intro to the article (Souter, Nestle-Aland, etc.), having mentioned them anyone can find the relevant verses. As for not specifying "some Italic mss" and the like, these are (1) recondite and (2) the usual citation forms involve a complicated typography, often with layers of superscripts; as this article is intended for beginners in this topic (non-beginners would not need this article) it was not my goal to baffle the reader. Again the specific mss can be found in the critical editions I named. I had said in my Intro that I would cite only "four or five" of the leading mss evidence for inclusion or exclusion, and those motivated to dig deeper can look it up in the named critical editions. Listing all the mss evidence, including versions and patristic sources, as appears in those editions, would make this article very bulky, require some difficult typographic tricks, and make the article less reader-friendly. I would like to emphasize that this article lay fallow - useless and unrevised - for more than five years until I saw it a couple of weeks ago. Even Alephb had not attempted to improve it in those five years. But once I started, he could not contain himself for as little as five days. I am ready to let him roll this boulder up the mountain, while I play the critic. And could someone please ask him to stop misspelling my name. Sussmanbern (talk) 05:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is not the place to resolve your content disputes, that should happen on the article talk page, or in Dispute Resolution. Here, only behavioral issues are considered, and Alephb has presented fairly compelling evidence of your ownership behavior. I have left a comment on your talk page to explain in further detail why that is a problem, and why not editing collaboratively can lead to being blocked from editing. Please read that and the links it includes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- No one is asking you to list every italic manuscript. It's just that, when you restore text that has been removed for not being sourced, we need an inline citation confirming that "some manuscripts" say the one thing or another. Just name whatever source you're copying the claims out of in a footnote. And likewise, when you make claims about the motives of particular people (some still living) you should find reliable sources for those claims as well. That would work fine. I can quote the wording about inline citations in WP:V again if that would help.
- The accusation that I made no efforts to improve the article prior to you showing up is false.
- Speaking of accusations, I am still waiting for you to show us the diffs of the properly cited quote that you say I "repeatedly" removed. Either that, or I would ask you to strike out the accusation. One or the other. Alephb (talk) 06:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Sussmanbern: Have you considered drafting your changes in your sandbox or userspace? I hope that you are planning to add sources to the content as you said (
I am in the midst of adding citations to the text that he deleted. I am trying to find and transfer citations and links as fast as I can.
) - taking you at your word, drafting in userspace first would resolve this. Seraphim System (talk) 09:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Sussmanbern: Have you considered drafting your changes in your sandbox or userspace? I hope that you are planning to add sources to the content as you said (
- Speaking of accusations, I am still waiting for you to show us the diffs of the properly cited quote that you say I "repeatedly" removed. Either that, or I would ask you to strike out the accusation. One or the other. Alephb (talk) 06:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I give up. This article was seriously neglected and I was a volunteer trying to improve it, but ingratitude wins out. I leave it to Alephb to finish the article to his satisfaction. Sussmanbern (talk) 09:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you are serious about letting this one go, I think that resolves our problem. Given Sussmanbern's statement that they are no longer interested in working on the article, I would assume that it would not be considered edit-warring if I waited a day or two and then stripped all non-verifiable content out of the article. Given that the "other side" has thrown in the towel, and there's now no one left to edit-war with. Alephb (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Actually he wasn't complaining about his 2nd Amendment rights being violated in that diff. I've blocked indef for a clear threat of violence. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't consider that a legitimate threat of violence, and a indefinite block seems harsh, and unwarranted. Paul August☎ 18:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is no way in hell I'm letting "I'm gonna shoot you for reverting me" stand, whether it's "legitimate" or not. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, had he said: "I'm going to shoot you for reverting me", then it would have been a good block. Nice straw man. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, if you wouldn't summarize that diff the way I just did, then how would you summarize it? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have summarized it at all. I would have asked him what the hell he meant. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- No matter how much you WP:WIKILAWYER about it, there is only one possible interpretation of "this is why the Second Amendment exists" in that context. We don't give people a "get out of making a naked threat of violence free" card just because they don't use specific words to do it. - The BushrangerOne ping only 22:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The only one Wiki-lawyering is you, which I understand, as AN/I is filled with admins defending the indefensible, lest their own infallibility one day be called into question. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Given that casting of aspersions, I don't believe this conversation can go anywhere productive, so I'm out. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Given how obviously confused this user is about so much else, did it occur that he could have the 1st and 2nd Amendments confused, lamenting interference with his perceived right to free speech here? I ask this having more than once heard an (obviously confused) individual state: "the 1st Amendment grants us the right to bear arms". It just seems incredibly unlikely that this user would make such a giant leap from frustration to threats of murder so quickly. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- This edit on my talk page, where the editor says that they are "very angry", and claims that Alephb deliberately sabotaged their work, would seem to be pertinent. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- The only one Wiki-lawyering is you, which I understand, as AN/I is filled with admins defending the indefensible, lest their own infallibility one day be called into question. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- No matter how much you WP:WIKILAWYER about it, there is only one possible interpretation of "this is why the Second Amendment exists" in that context. We don't give people a "get out of making a naked threat of violence free" card just because they don't use specific words to do it. - The BushrangerOne ping only 22:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have summarized it at all. I would have asked him what the hell he meant. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, if you wouldn't summarize that diff the way I just did, then how would you summarize it? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, had he said: "I'm going to shoot you for reverting me", then it would have been a good block. Nice straw man. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is no way in hell I'm letting "I'm gonna shoot you for reverting me" stand, whether it's "legitimate" or not. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not to mention revoking talk-page access immediately, allowing the user no chance to even explain what was meant. I guess that was a prophylactic measure; less chance the user can complain about it if you shut them up preemptively. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- And yet, the user appealed the block and is currently able to edit. Funny how that works.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's anything but funny. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- User:Joefromrandb - Haven't you learned anything yet? Well, you didn't learn anything four years ago, and maybe you didn't learn anything two months ago. You appear to have jumped into this controversy that you were not originally involved in, just to dump on an admin or something. Four years ago you were asked to try to be less provocative. Two months ago OR and NYB made a last plea with you to try to change your behavior when Tomstar81 had requested arbitration. I requested that ArbCom take the case, not merely to deal with you, but also to define a procedure for dealing with editors who poke you, like poking a bear, and then try to blame you. However, in this case, you just came running into this conflict like a bear on a tear. This conflict didn't involve you, and you should have left alone, and, if you can't learn to leave things alone sometimes, you will wind up in a bearcage, known as an indefinite block. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- You've got one hell of a nerve. Please take your passive-aggressive pot-stirring elsewhere. Joefromrandb (talk) 10:14, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- User:Joefromrandb - Haven't you learned anything yet? Well, you didn't learn anything four years ago, and maybe you didn't learn anything two months ago. You appear to have jumped into this controversy that you were not originally involved in, just to dump on an admin or something. Four years ago you were asked to try to be less provocative. Two months ago OR and NYB made a last plea with you to try to change your behavior when Tomstar81 had requested arbitration. I requested that ArbCom take the case, not merely to deal with you, but also to define a procedure for dealing with editors who poke you, like poking a bear, and then try to blame you. However, in this case, you just came running into this conflict like a bear on a tear. This conflict didn't involve you, and you should have left alone, and, if you can't learn to leave things alone sometimes, you will wind up in a bearcage, known as an indefinite block. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- @SarekOfVulcan: I think you need to be less trigger happy. There's no way that statement deserved an indefinite block. Paul August☎ 21:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would have seriously contemplated an indef if I had seen it. That kind of implication is totally unacceptable here. --NeilNtalk to me 22:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- It was a blatant threat of violence and was dealt with appropriately. - The BushrangerOne ping only 22:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- @SarekOfVulcan: Is there anything you feel you can say about why this block was lifted? I ask because it does not seem obvious to me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- He was unblocked by User:Yunshui, who could perhaps shed some light on this, as I too am quite curious. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Happy to do so. The UTRS appeal made it clear that this was basically intended as a very poor-taste attempt at humour, not a deliberate threat of violence. The editor has said that they will not repeat it, and has also stated that they will step away from the List of Bible verses... article, which also assuaged my concerns about future edit warring. I checked with Sarek via email, and on getting his agreement, lifted the block, as it was no longer serving a purpose (the behaviour which cause the block is not going to be repeated). Yunshui雲水 08:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- That sounds reasonable, thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yunshi: Thanks for that explanation. I hope that the editor's promises hold up. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- Happy to do so. The UTRS appeal made it clear that this was basically intended as a very poor-taste attempt at humour, not a deliberate threat of violence. The editor has said that they will not repeat it, and has also stated that they will step away from the List of Bible verses... article, which also assuaged my concerns about future edit warring. I checked with Sarek via email, and on getting his agreement, lifted the block, as it was no longer serving a purpose (the behaviour which cause the block is not going to be repeated). Yunshui雲水 08:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- He was unblocked by User:Yunshui, who could perhaps shed some light on this, as I too am quite curious. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- @SarekOfVulcan: Is there anything you feel you can say about why this block was lifted? I ask because it does not seem obvious to me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Given that threats of violence results in being blocked for a shorter time-period than someone who violated 3RR once, I would like to take this opportunity to request an indefinite IBAN. I have been threatened not only with violence, but with more mundane retaliation as well: [260], and user who made the threats has not, as far as I can tell, offered any assurances that they will not carry them out. I think under these circumstances, an IBAN is warranted. And I'm not saying that because I want the user punished. I do not give the slightest shit whether the ban is one-way or two-way. If the user will not give me some assurance that I won't be retaliated against, I request that the community does so. Alephb (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)- Given the comments above, I'm going to take the assertion that there are no outstanding threats now at face value. Alephb (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- At least for myself and as of right now, I consider the personal threats issue resolved. What is not resolved is the continued personal attacks: i.e., [261], which was written just a few hours ago. But progress comes in steps. Alephb (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Alephb: I don't think that S's final remark comes close to being a personal attack. It was snide, and completely unnecessary -- I've suggested to him that he strike it for those reasons -- but not a violation of WP:NPA. I think it would behoove S. to mind his P's and Q's considering that he just had an indef block lifted, but that's a different matter. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:18, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- It was a blatant threat of violence and was dealt with appropriately. - The BushrangerOne ping only 22:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would have seriously contemplated an indef if I had seen it. That kind of implication is totally unacceptable here. --NeilNtalk to me 22:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's anything but funny. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- And yet, the user appealed the block and is currently able to edit. Funny how that works.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Disruptive edits
| Reported user has been blocked. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Update: Now blocked indefinitely for evading the block as User:KingRomero10. Mz7 (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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User:KingRomero14 appears to be an account purely for non-constructive edits. They were blocked last month for it, yet continue to edit in the same manner. For example, this edit here [262] is them just randomly adding an event that has even been mentioned will not occur this year by a WP:RS. Looking at their edit history I see almost nothing that they have posted that wasn't immediately reverted. - GalatzTalk 14:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked a week. --NeilN talk to me 15:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
BLP concerns on school article talk page
| AZOperator's only purpose here appears to be to include content that has repeatedly been reverted. WP:NOTHERE / WP:RGW. Guy (Help!) 00:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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See content at Talk:Hamilton High School (Chandler, Arizona)#Coming Down The Pipeline by AZOperator (talk · contribs) ... specifically the statements "is a controversial attorney"; "are looking for headlines", and "is looking for anyway out of spending his adult life in jail" (I have intentionally avoided copying individual names to this page, but they are listed on that talk page).
I considered reverting and revdel the post myself; but would like to request additional review due to the user's failure to recognize their own repeated policy violations that resulted in the prior block I had given them (see here and here, as well as the prior ANI discussion). The user has also had comparable issues at WikiNews project. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I removed that section, but didn't revdel. I don't have any good sense of what further action is required. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure any additional action (besides eyes on the article and talk page) are needed at this time. But, given how the user is attempting to portray actions of John from Idegon as a personal issue,[263] I thought it best to have a different admin than myself review/resolve the current concern was the best way to avoid any further mistaken impressions. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
And so it begins, John complains about me and like blinders no one has the ethical capacity to look at every angle. The whole, he did first and that negates my actions somehow justifies it - is very interesting. AZOperator (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Also if you actually look at the Wikinews discussion, they said my "sandboxed" content was clearly news which should be followed, but they lacked the editorial tools to go through the massive amount of information for verification. There was no reprimand, that was a incompatibility issue and was dealt with no penalties - no hard feelings on any side. AZOperator (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- AZOperator The 'Coming down the pipeline' comment has been correctly removed by admin SarekOfVulcan as a BLP violation, and it would indeed probably be best revdel'd. Wikinews has got nothing to do with Wikipedia, it's a totally different WMF project and citing it is simply a red herring and wasting our time. Those of us who have worked regularly for years to maintian the WP:WPSC project have always maintained that Wikipedia school articles shoud be neutral, devoid of of both propmotional and negative WP:UNDUE content and should strictly only mention the names of people who are deemed notable by Wikipedia standards (WP:BLP, WP:LISTPEOPLE etc.). Just because things can be sourced does not mean thjey have to be included: WP:COAT.
- There has been a recent spate of editors with a single agenda to add 'controversy' sections to school articles. It needs to be made clear that the Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a Good (or bad) Schools Guide. That said, all this is a content issue and as Barek sugests, ANI might not be the best venue or it. I have every confidence that John from Idegon does a correct job of looking after the school Schools project as one of its trusted coordinators, and that if he often returns to the same articles, as I do, it's part of the work there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)
- In all fairness to AZOperator, I'm the one who first mentioned WikiNews, and they responded to that. As you point out, it's a separate project - and while I have a different interpretation of events there, I should have just left that comment off my initial post. I apologize for the tangent, and am willing to strike it if that simplifies the main point of this thread (ie: the BLP concerns on the post that has now been removed from the article talk page). --- Barek(talk • contribs) - 02:46, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
WP:SPA evading block via an IP
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I reported Aaroncmusic (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) at WP:EWN for repeatedly adding content about a non-noteworthy cover at Toxic (song), which seems to be the account's only purpose. They were blocked 24 hours by NeilN but are now using an IP, 192.154.116.202 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) to evade the block [264]. Therefore, I'm requesting a temporary block for the IP and a longer or indefinite block on the account, as they won't take no for an answer. Home Lander (talk) 00:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Need an admin to oversee an AfD case
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An editor has recently nominated List of 1971 box office number-one films in the United States for deletion on the grounds of the data being, well, complete bollocks. There are four editors involved in the discussion now and we have drawn to the conclusion the data is not just incorrect, but fabricated. It gets even worse. It affects the whole family of articles ranging from List of 1960 box office number-one films in the United States up to List of 1981 box office number-one films in the United States. The articles will probably have to be deleted or completely redone. The more troubling aspect is who is behind the fabrication. In every case Simpsonguy1987 created these articles and installed the data. There can be only two explanations: he copied the data from somewhere in good faith—but unfortunately did not provide a source—or even worse, he is behind the fabrication. I don't want to accuse an editor without evidence (at this point I hoping this is just a horrendous mistake) but the editor's talk page is littered with warnings addressing the lack of sourcing. I have asked him to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 1971 box office number-one films in the United States so we can get our facts straight.
I think at this point an admin should take charge of the investigation. We have 22 articles of fabricated data that are going to have to be deleted, and we need to get to the bottom of what has happened here. It is crucial that the editor behind this gets a fair hearing, but if this is the result of editor misconduct then it could affect many more articles. Betty Logan (talk) 12:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I noticed he is using boxofficemojo.com for sourcing on Chinese box office figures, which is owned by IMDB.com. I have some reservations about that as a WP:RS for box office figures. But regardless, an admin would only come into play if there is a behavioral issue. You could list all of them in a single AFD or on a RFC and get them nuked (which is a reasonable discussion to have), but the editor Simpsonguy1987 (who we are really talking about) isn't a heavy editor, and wasn't been notified of this discussion, something I fixed. We need some evidence of intentional wrong doing, WP:CIR or other policy violation before we start swinging the admin tools around. I completely get why you would at least be suspicious, but we need evidence first, and that doesn't require the admin tools. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think there is a behavioural issue here. First of all, most of those sales figures are clearly completely made up. As a editor said on the AfD, "The numbers were either tampered with or are utter nonsense. I've counted ten occurences of thousands and ones 3-digit groups being the same but transposed (examples in article: 4,395,593; 3,593,395; 1,294,924...). The chance of this being true for a random 7-digit number is approx. 0.3%" I've gone up to 1979 so far and the digits clearly aren't random (which they should be) on any of them - for instance multiple rows that end with the same 3 digits, completely random round figures ("$3,000,000") etc. If they were sourced that'd be different, but they aren't. Even though these articles were created a long time ago, given that as recently as 3 days ago this editor was vandalising ([265], and a few weeks ago [266] which I would have blocked for if I'd seen it) I'd strongly suggest that we don't mess about here and delete the lot. We're losing nothing useful and if anyone wanted to re-create them with actual data, that'd be great. Black Kite (talk) 14:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't doubt their may be a behavioral issue, I just haven't seen solid evidence. As for deleting the lot, yes. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Dennis, evidence of the fabrication is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 1971 box office number-one films in the United States. I was sceptical at first but I am convinced by the statistical evidence. The only real question is who is behind the fabrication? Either Simpsonguy1987 has honestly copied it from somewhere (which I am hoping is the case) or he has undertaken the farbication himself. I am not trying to pre-judge the guy and have requested that he join the discussion and tell us where obtained the data from. The articles are almost certainly going to be deleted which will resolve the content problem, but if Simpsonguy does not provide us with a satisfactory explanation as to why he created 22 articles of fabricated data then I think that is a problem than cannot go unresolved. I simply thought that perhaps you guys should be aware of the problem and perhaps an admin would like to keep an eye on how it progresses. Betty Logan (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Again, I agree that the articles probably need nuking, but at this point, we don't know if he just copied it from a bad set of data, or he is doing it as some kind of vandalism. I saw the AFD before I commented the first time. I'm totally convinced the data is bad and that they should be nuked via AFD (not sure about CSD), but that is the content side of this problem. The question is whether it was intentional (stealthy) vandalism or error. Since I don't have any diffs to compare to, I guess I will go dig through all the recent contribs and see if there is a pattern. "Why" hasn't been answered yet. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indef blocked after reviewing diffs over the last year. Someone else might want to just delete any article he created that isn't sourced. A list here might be helpful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't doubt their may be a behavioral issue, I just haven't seen solid evidence. As for deleting the lot, yes. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - The 1971 article has been nuked as G3, so the AFD should be closed. This thread can stay open because, first, the other articles are still in question, and, second, there is a conduct issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I was working on it ;) Scripts have changed in the last couple of months, so I was a bit confused on the close, but it is done after I CSD'ed it. And yes, a list here would be good. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is a list of created articles at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Simpsonguy1987. Betty Logan (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I was working on it ;) Scripts have changed in the last couple of months, so I was a bit confused on the close, but it is done after I CSD'ed it. And yes, a list here would be good. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 19:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- The evidence in the AfD is clear enough that I would be comfortable with all of these being speedied under G3 (hoax content). —David Eppstein (talk) 20:42, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- All deleted. --NeilN talk to me 21:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Legal threat from 69.47.251.172
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The IP user is threatening legal action against me ("will be handled in the most assertive way the law permits.") both on my talk page and their talk page.
The threat comes in response to me advising them of WP:NOTFORUM and asking them to lay off the antisemitic rants: [267]
Some of their rants, for context: [268] [269]
It doesn't seem like a serious threat, but thought I should raise it here in case they need to be blocked or whatever.
Thanks, --ChiveFungi (talk) 16:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked 72 hours. If they come back with the same nonsense, please report back here or drop me a note and they'll be blocked again. --NeilNtalk to me 16:37, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will. --ChiveFungi (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Very similar edits
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On Portal:Current events there has been this combative IP when it comes to removing news. The IP at the top was blocked for 2 weeks in the past (wouldn't be block evasion here) for disruptive behavior that looks like hasn't ended. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- We face some case of extreme
autism. Wakari07 (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)- Well the similarities are with the edit summaries, and self blanking the own talk-page. Its the sqame pattern of disruptive combative behavior that got them blocked in the first place. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- They're in the same IPv6 /64 range, so yes this is the same user. Moving between /64 addresses in IPv6 is a normal event due to how subnets are allocated to the end-user, and this should not be interpreted as purposeful or bad-faith behavior or evasion by the user unless editing and disruption clearly show otherwise. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I took a quick look at the combined contributions of the /64 (2600:8800:FF0E:1200::/64) and found lots of useful contributions, going back several months... - Tom Thomas.W talk 19:30, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- They're in the same IPv6 /64 range, so yes this is the same user. Moving between /64 addresses in IPv6 is a normal event due to how subnets are allocated to the end-user, and this should not be interpreted as purposeful or bad-faith behavior or evasion by the user unless editing and disruption clearly show otherwise. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please don't use "autism" as a pejorative. I know several people with autism in real life, none of whom would deliberately behave in a disruptive manner, and there are many good Wikipedia editors with autism. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with the IP editor and have asked Wakari07 on their talk page to refrain from similar comments. --Jprg1966(talk) 19:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- (And they have apologized) --Jprg1966(talk) 19:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's great. We can put this to bed and move on. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- (And they have apologized) --Jprg1966(talk) 19:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with the IP editor and have asked Wakari07 on their talk page to refrain from similar comments. --Jprg1966(talk) 19:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well the similarities are with the edit summaries, and self blanking the own talk-page. Its the sqame pattern of disruptive combative behavior that got them blocked in the first place. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Repeated violations of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:LIVESCORES
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- 73.102.43.251 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 2017–18 NFL playoffs (edit talk history links watch logs)
This user has persistently added game scores against LIVESCORES and without references as described by CRYSTAL. This has been going on for the past week, all on this article. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 21:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked for 36 hours for repeated disruptive editing and despite being warned numerous times. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Two editors making two talk pages ludicrously confusing
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2601:541:C100:AA00:34B4:C8A6:73D1:5FD4 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and TheAceOfSpades115 (talk · contribs) on Talk:British Empire and File talk:The British Empire.png. I can't disentangle who said what or when, could someone with more tools than me try to work out what is going on? DuncanHill (talk) 23:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I added a few unsigned templates to comments that were added without a signature, if that helps. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- He keeps removing them, as well as removing the other editor's comments. And then changing his own comments. The page is now pretty much useless. DuncanHill (talk) 00:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Block both for a day and template both for signing and indentation. If they can't get it after that, then indef under CIR. This isn't kindergarten. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:25, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why not ask User:Wiki-Ed if he'd be happy to roll back Talk:British Empire to version of 26 December? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for inadvertent trolling. Made things clearer.--TheAceOfSpades115 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- No apologies needed, TheAceOfSpades115. Not a big deal at all :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for inadvertent trolling. Made things clearer.--TheAceOfSpades115 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Legal threat on Paul Morris (producer)
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Newly created Reddogg56 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) made [this edit on Paul Morris (producer) with edit summary-- "i updated info about myself referenced in the article. I have proof that i was 30 in 1998 and i was fully employed as a music events producer. Don't change it back to the incorrect info or i will sue wikipedia". I warned them HERE and encouraged them to post to WP:BLPN for their concerns HERE. I'm at work and will not be able to follow further developmensts, so I've posted here. Notifying them on next to post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs) 04:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 04:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Worrying edit - block and RevDel needed
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Can someone please block this piece of shit. This is wholly unacceptable and should really be reported to the authorities. I believe Irondome has also had the threat. CassiantoTalk 16:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked. Irondome, do you want your little present reverted and revdelled? --NeilNtalk to me 16:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, appreciate the offer though NeilN! Let it stand as a monument to the ages. My reply rather reduces it to the absurd I think. Cheers, Si. Irondome (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Did anyone report this to emergency@? —DoRD (talk) 16:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- @DoRD: I haven't. --NeilNtalk to me 16:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
External links
| While I sympathise with the IP's frustration here, the bottom line is that, due to linkspam, IP/new users are not allowed to add social media links to pages, enforced by XLinkBot. As noted, the links of the subject are acceptable, but they have to be placed by an autoconfirmed user. It's unfortunate, but that's how it is, and appealing to WP:OTHERSTUFF doesn't change it. I suspect WP:VPP would be the place to propose either allowing IP users to add social media links, or to ban them altogether; beyond that it's a case of content and that's not something ANI adjuciates.
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- a bot said that facebook could not be put in as a external link, even thought social media pages are in other notable non living persons biography pages, because the facebook page was in the name of the foundation which is also the name of the person but not in name alone.
- also that the foundation's link could not be there, as on other notable non living persons biography pages as on Ronald Regan's page and that it should also be taken out.50.254.21.213 (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- can administrator way in on this ? 50.254.21.213 (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- You may want to read WP:V first.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- See also WP:ELNO #10. Dorsetonian (talk) 18:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- did that so you would want to take down ronald regans page ????50.254.21.213 (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- You seem to argue that Ronald Reagan is not encyclopedically notable. This is not the case, he is notable.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- comment: there is a notice board specifically for discussing external link concerns at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard ... I would guess this issue has been raised there more than once already, so would get a more complete response. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- i am saying that the bot user has said that the external link should be taken out is his page more privileged then others ?50.254.21.213 (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- "if someone has a biography, you can add links to their Twitter or Facebook, but you can't add personal blogs to articles that aren't associated with those blogs. The Chelsea Manning biography contains links to her social-media pages, not to someone's blog that happened to comment on her. Does that help? SarahSV "
- this person is at your levle if she is wrong than go to her pages and take out her links.50.254.21.213 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ec) I apologize but I do not understand what your statement is. May be someone else could help. The code of the Reagan page does not contain the word "facebook".--Ymblanter (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- @SlimVirgin: Sarah may be you understand what it going on?--Ymblanter (talk) 19:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- on the RR page there is a link to the foundation on the Chelsea Manning page there is a link to twitter you can not have it both ways there must be somebody that can fix interpret the rules this is not a court of law with a judge and case law this is policy by consensus.
- "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply."
- from the bot "other pages are wrong too (for Ronald Reagan, see Ronald_Reagan_Presidential_Library, I think that is where the official link belongs (and is duplicated), not on Ronald Reagan as an 'official site' "50.254.21.213 (talk) 19:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note Amongst the confusion I think the basis of this issue is: whilst adding the social media links of the subject themselves (usually in the "External Links" sections) is actually OK, the issue here is that XLinkBot automatically reverts any addition of these by IP or non-confirmed users. The OP tried to do this on Helen Balfour Morrison and got reverted. They subsequently appear to think that this affects all users and pages, which of course it doesn't. I don't think there's anything to see here. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- OK then reverse the Helen Balfour Morrison because it meets the standards, people have worked hard on these sites showing the life and times of the notable person, if not than take out ronald regan and Chelsea Manning. 50.254.21.213 (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any point. There's practically no content at all on the Facebook page, and the links to the Morrison-Shearer Foundation websites are already there. Black Kite (talk) 20:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- As I understand it, 50.254.21.213 was being prevented from adding links to the Morrison-Shearer Foundation to Helen Balfour Morrison and Sybil Shearer. I can't see any problem with that link being added, if that's all this is about. I don't understand the point about Facebook. SarahSV (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Nobberclog10
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- Nobberclog10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This editor has been repeatedly creating unreferenced articles for years. I have left numerous warnings at their page [270], then moved some of the (100ish?) unreferened articles to draftspace and left a message for them asking them to re-submit via WP:AFC when they had references. They just edit-warred with no messages to move the unverified material back to the mainspace. I sent another message explaining that I was trying to avoid deletion by moving to draftspace and that ANI would need to happen if they continued to move unverified material to the mainspace - still no response, and continuing to just move them back.
I want this editor to communicate, first and foremost, and to stop moving unverified material to the mainspace. If they don't do this, they are violating WP:V and WP:CONDUCT and should be indefinitely blocked - I have spent hours trying to prevent this. I have pointed this user to WP:V, WP:BURDEN and WP:Communication is required, but just silence, except creating more unreferenced articles, then moving more unverified material back from draftspace, which I guess is a strong answer in itself. Boleyn (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortunately since this ANI was opened, Nobberclog10 has moved several more unverified articles to mainspace and is still refusing to communicate. Boleyn (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked 72 hours with a request to communicate. --NeilN talk to me 22:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Feedback requested: "shithole" countries
| I'm gonna go ahead and close this, because it's resulting in an unnecessary debate regarding a very specific question that has a very specific, non-debatable answer, and I don't want to see disruptive misinformation propagated on AN/I by non-admins. The answer to the question is simple: yes. The policy is WP:WHYBLOCK#Disruption, which states that "A user may be blocked when ... conduct is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia." Both "gross incivility" and "breaching the policies or guidelines" are listed as examples. Stating a personal opinion on-wiki is a breach of policy, that policy being WP:NOTFORUM, and stating a personal opinion that could deeply offend someone is a breach of WP:CIVIL. Therefore an administrator could discretionarily block if someone were to express that particular opinion, without question. Frankly discussing offensive opinions held by a notable person for the purposes of building the encyclopedia is part of our job. Agreeing with any such opinions on-wiki is specifically not allowed, and is a potentially-blockable offense. If there are any further policy questions, feel free to follow up with myself or any of the other administrators in this thread on our talk page. Swarm ♠ 18:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Does Wikipedia policy allow an administrator to block an editor because that editor wrote in a discussion that a particular country or contenent is a "shithole"? If so, where exactly is that policy? For even more context, the discussion itself dealt with Trump's use of the term "shithole". Another question is, if the U.N. human rights office declares that referring to African countries is "racist", does that extend to Wikipedia discussions, where editors who refer to African countries as "shitholes", are then making racist comments and can be blocked for WP:CIVIL? Thank you. The Kingfisher (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the United States and we're debating whether or not someone can be blocked for using Wikipedia resources as a platform to denigrate entire countries (and by extension, their peoples) as "shitholes." QED. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- That depends - but if an admin believed that editor was behaving in a deliberately racist manner, then a block would be completely normal. Black Kite (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is no imaginable reason to call any country a "shithole country" in any civil discourse, not even reflexive defence of what can best be described as a US national disgrace. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- @The Kingfisher: I was going to comment on your talk page about [271]:
- WP:BATTLE begins,
Wikipedia is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, carry on ideological battles, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear.
- Take a look over Wikipedia:General sanctions, and you'll see multiple decisions over racially-related conflicts, including Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles. --Ronz (talk) 17:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- The Kingfisher, my answer to the question regarding talk page discussions (not article content) is 'no'. People are not nations perpetuating squalor for living conditions nor are such nations other Wikipedia editors, against whom we are to refrain in making attacks. But, as of late, Wikipedia has seemed more like the Twilight Zone than usual, so I'm certain the mileage among those commenting here will vary but lean 'yes' in response to this thread. No doubt the wikilawyering to support that 'yes' will be strong with them in the ensuing discussion. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 17:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, just no, Winkelvi. El_C 17:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is a sticky situation, but in general I would not block someone for those comments per se, were I an admin. I would however, urge them to tone down the rhetoric. Saying it once is expressing a personal view, but repeating it multiple times edges into disruption. For the record, I don't think defending the comments is disruptive. Believe it or not, I substantially agree with them, to the extent that "shithole" or "shitty" can be a euphemism for "possessed of a very low quality of life". I agree, however, that referring to them as "shitty" is needlessly antagonistic and offensive to the point of possibly causing disruption.
- As for this incident (which has not yet resulted in any blocks or sanctions, merely warnings), I would advise you to take the warning to heart and understand that continuing to repeat the same claim, using the same words might not be racist, but it most certainly can be disruptive and incivil. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Mostly this. And a reminder we tolerate less disruption in AE topic areas. --NeilN talk to me 18:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Winkelvi: Perhaps, if WP has lately become so irrational, it would be best to shut the fuck up when saying things that might just get you indef blocked on this "Twilight Zone" of a site? When you're not blocked, you always like to pretend it's important you be able to speak your mind. When you are blocked - and it happens a lot - you grovel and beg for one more chance. You seem incapable of remembering that you're constantly skating on thin ice until you've actually fallen through. So perhaps you should consider keeping your smug feeling of first world superiority to yourself, so people don't realize what a horrible person you are and just let you remain indef blocked next time. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is that a threat? For mentioning something I've observed re: collective behavior? While not mentioning specific editors? Or personally attacking anyone? And then you called me "a horrible person" which definitely is a personal attack? Wow. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 17:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- those are personal attacks and coming from an admin should not be acceptable here. Sir Joseph(talk) 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Is that a threat? For mentioning something I've observed re: collective behavior? While not mentioning specific editors? Or personally attacking anyone? And then you called me "a horrible person" which definitely is a personal attack? Wow. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 17:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- what this is showing that there are different rules for different people. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would imagine telling someone to fuck off is far worse. As I said on my talk page, there is no violation in calling Canada a shithole country, perhaps even extending to Canadians might be allowed as well. There is no individual being called a shithole and there is nothing wrong with calling America a shithole country, or Chad, Nigeria or Australia. If we're suddenly going to enforce civility, then do so but don't do so in s partisan manner. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I sure have blocked quite a few IPs that added the word "shithole" to Haiti lately. Discuss! El_C 18:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- And by quite a few, I mean three. El_C 18:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- there is a difference between talk page and vandalism. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict × 4) Those kind of comments don't belong on Wikipedia. They just foment discord. Anyone who wants to use this project to spread racist sentiments should fuck off.- MrX 18:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Probably not gonna be loved for this ..... We're all entitled to our opinions and views however some of those opinions and views don't belong on this website especially when it's racist like those made by Joseph and so personally I would say they should be blocked for it, We're an Encyclopedia ... not a place where you get to air your political views regardless of what they are. –Davey2010Talk 18:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- what did I say that's racist? Sir Joseph (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Davey2010, this,
"We're an Encyclopedia ... not a place where you get to air your political views regardless of what they are."
, makes sense to me and I do tend to agree. Maybe even to the point of changing my 'no' to a 'yes'. I'll ponder it in that context, however, I still don't think that what Sir Joseph said is inherently racist in nature. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)- Seriously, are you getting the picture? Drop it, move on, take the L and quit wasting everyone's time. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- someone says I made a racist comment and you tell me I can't seek clarification? And I'm not the one who started this thread. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Winkelvi, I'm disappointed in you. For your comments here, as well as this (har har har, so funny) on Sir Joseph's page. Some day or other, I'll get tired of defending you. As for Sir Joseph, yes we know you "imagine" telling somebody to fuck off is far worse, since you're like a broken record with that. But it's all your imagination. Bishonen talk 18:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC).
- (edit conflict)Bishonen, please see my latest comment in response to Davey2010. Perhaps that might redeem my reputation in your eyes (to some degree)? And also, please remember that as an individual on the autism spectrum, I see things in a more black-and-white manner than those who look at things on a more emotional level. I'm not beyond being reasoned with using logic and facts. Davey presented something that made me reconsider my position because he did it in a logical and fact-based manner that then appealed to the better angels of my nature. Being threatened (not you, another admin) and called a horrible person or being told I'm close to no longer being defended on anything ain't the way to get me to change my mind about anything because it's emotion- rather than fact- and reason-based. Just saying. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
While we're at it, is this really allowed on user/user-talk pages? GoldenRing (talk) 14:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Why not, GoldenRing? We have bouncing Wikipedia globes, suddenly appearing giant Jimbo faces, running horses, etc. Why not an animated American flag? Besides, this discussion is closed. Surely, you're not trying to stir it all up again, right? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 15:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- @GoldenRing: Since there's about a 150 pages that use it, I doubt here's much to be done about it by now, tbh. >SerialNumber54129...speculates 15:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- +1Serial Number 54129. Stay classy Winkelvi.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- So an admin reopens a thread just to post about a flag icon? This is more of the toxic environment of Wikipedia. Let anyone know that if they have a different opinion, they face the micromanagement of the admins. It's a damn shame really. I've seen megabytes of text at user pages, I've seen polemic on user pages, I've seen userboxes supporting terrorist organizations, but suddenly someone has an American flag? Send out the guards. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- +1Serial Number 54129. Stay classy Winkelvi.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Hoax
I've been ignored a few times, so now I'm "forum shopping" until someone explicitly tells me the only alternative is to revert manually until I get tired of it. Among other reasons why edits like this can't be true: no references that mention his name, and this similar edit where he claims a well-known title that hasn't been used since World War I. User:Abibmaulana been blocked, so now he usually uses a new IP address every time. We semi-protected The Blackstone Group, where most of the vandalism edit war can be found, so he moved to several similar articles about corporations until it expired. I've read about "range blocks", which might help because 19 of his IPs are in the range 120.188.4.122 to 120.188.95.142, but that doesn't include 162.217.248.203, 188.119.151.166, 114.4.78.231, 114.4.79.165, and 114.4.82.82. Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested might help, but not for me - 3 days ago I emailed according to the instructions on that page's edit page, and the only response was that my request is being held because I'm not on some list. This must be a common problem, so what usually happens? Art LaPella (talk) 19:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I semi-protected the Blackstone article and threw out a rangeblock. I can't help you with the blacklist--sorry. Drmies (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you want some consolation, I've also dealt with people owning the World Bank[272], Sony[273] and numerous other companies. It seems to be a thing. We have constructed temporary edit filters for this type of thing before, and that shouldn't be a problem this time (filter 684 perhaps), but don't use the mailing list - drop the request directly at WP:EFR, and provide a few more links than you have here. But, you might still need to wait for more than 3 days. -- zzuuzz(talk) 20:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- I haven't made such a request, as the word "temporary" above implies you don't want the overhead of a filter if we aren't using it, and the problem hasn't returned so far (thanks User:Drmies). Art LaPella (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Art LaPella: I investigated this in a fair amount of detail before indeffing this user. It seems clear to me that this is self-promotion of some sort. I know for a fact that there are filters in place to catch other folks who create articles including a certain name, so the same should be possible here. I'm afraid I can't find the filter at the moment: possibly Oshwah may be able to help. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 14:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi there! There are a few edit filters in place to block and reject edits that add certain words to articles - I helped implement the filters to stop that "Ryan ross milk" vandalism that went rampant a few months earlier. Let me read through this ANI and see what I can suggest we do... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Keith-264
I hate WP:Dramaboard, but when things come this far... User cited above has:
1. Modified other's comments on talk pages without their approval, and then attempted to claim the now "modified" comment as their own. [274] [275] This is in clear violation of WP:TPO
2. When faced with a request not to do so, reverts and claims "vandalism". [276] [277] This probably borders on a violation of WP:3RR or at least breaches the spirit of that policy.
3. Instead of moving on and trying to participate in the subsequent constructive discussion Talk:Fifth_Battle_of_Yores#Fifth Ypres, user simply keeps reverting and reinserting his modifications. This shows at least a lack of understanding of WP:BRD.
4. This, in addition to an ambiguous attitude (akin to filibustering) towards a (earlier, unresolved) content dispute, often making slightly annoying remarks, dismissing whole paragraphs with detailed explanations as "spurious" and trying to impose a point of view which does not appear to be consensus. [278] 198.84.253.202 (talk) 03:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm very confused about number 1 and looking at the edit history doesn't help things. Am I right that this dispute started because Keith-264 moved an IP's (I think you) comment from their talk page to the article talk page and noted they'd done so with a brief unsigned notice before the comment which amongst other things said "in error", and the dispute then started because said IP insisted that the note should be modified and you both then edit warred over it for ages with Keith-264 eventually trying to take over your comment after you tried to delete it?
If so, I would call for a major sharking (I don't think a trout is big enough) on both sides.
First it's generally accepted that if some leaves a clearly delineated notice before the comment when moving it, even if unsigned, it's obvious this is not part of the signed comment any more than the header is so it's not considered modifying the comment, meaning you had no real reason to modify it. If you felt so strongly about the note, a simply comment below mentioning the note was not part of your comment (unnecessary) and mentioning that it was not posted 'in error' (which I guess is your major objection) would have sufficed. That said, once you objected and modified the note and since it was unsigned, Keith-264 should not have edit warred to restore the original note. Although since there was no real reason for the edit in the first place, there was also no reason for you to edit war to your modified note either.
As for later claiming the comment, technically per the licence terms they are allowed to do that even if it is weird. However they should remove the signature completely and mention below in a signed post that the comment was originally posted by someone else who wishes it to be deleted so they're now claiming and signing the comment as their own.
I would put Keith-264 a bit more in the wrong but unless I've missed something the dispute is so silly that I still think we need a major sharking. I don't know if there's anything in 2-4, for me this is a classic case of one (first in this case) of the complaints is so silly that I didn't see any point looking at the rest.
- I deleted a comment by another editor on my talkpage and added a comment on the article talk page with a note, the whole signed thus [[User:Keith-264 Keith-264]] ([[User talk:Keith-264 talk]]) 09:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC) It was my comment, which is why I signed it and added a gloss to explain why. Another editor has taken exception to this, claimed ownership of my edit on the article talk page and vandalised the edit several times, which is why I s-/s his signing. Quite3 why anyone thinks that I didn't sign 'my edit on the article talk page I don't know. PS what is a sharking? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- The biggest objection I had is the "in error" part - which is mostly what I removed. It wasn't in error - I was trying to get you to answer since you weren't responding on the article talk page - there's nowhere in policy where it is stated that placing a comment on a user's talk page about a current issue is in any caution, legalese incoming way, shape or form an error or other kind of erroneous acttiondone. So yes that's the biggest objection, because implying someone is in "error" isn't very polite. Point 4 also is irritating because at least 2 times there were significant periods of silence in the discussion (caused by you not answering, i.e. a classic case of filibustering) and since both were after new inputs to the discussion its quite shocking to realize the other isn't really trying to get consensus (i.e. this was akin to trench warfare). 198.84.253.202 (talk) 14:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- "What is a sharking?" It's wordplay, intended as a superlative of WP:TROUT. Trouting is rebuking, so "sharking" is major rebuking. Art LaPella (talk) 19:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, are you as bored with this as me?Keith-264 (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, as I said, I dislike WP:Dramaboard. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 22:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Article WUWN and user Famous54
Please could someone who carries more authority than I do explain to Famous54 the error of his ways? Philip Trueman (talk) 04:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Error of what ways? Without diffs, we have no way of knowing what, exactly, is being asked here. - The BushrangerOne ping only 04:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Umm, like every diff (so far) in his contribution history, which I linked to? Philip Trueman (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- A further warning given and the more inappropriate edits revdeled. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've also added a notice to the user's talk page and offered to help the user if they need it. This should hopefully be all that we need to do in order for this issue to be resolved and the inappropriate edits to stop. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Sss1111
| Blocked until they start communicating according to community expectations. --NeilN talk to me 17:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Sss1111 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Sss1111 has been asked by me (my name appears on their talk page 21 times - all ignored!) and other editors about creating unreferenced articles. See User talk:Sss1111 especially User talk:Sss1111#Sources. Sss1111 has been directed towards WP:Communication is required, WP:V and WP:BURDEN, but just refuses to answer the many messages and has continued to create unreferenced sub-stubs such as [279] and Dashihe East Station.
I would like Sss1111 to join a conversation about sources, acknowledge a proper understanding of the policies around sources and agree to source the articles they have created and to communicate with other editors in future. I have been trying to communicate with Sss1111 for a month, with no response except the creation of more unreferenced articles, which I guess is an answer in itself. Boleyn (talk) 11:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ordinarily I'd say that it's not ideal to write unsourced articles on train stations, but that it would be better to just source them yourself. But it seems that at least some of the content is a potential copyvio pasted from other websites. For instance, the first sentence of Fangshan Chengguan Station is identical to the first sentence of [280]. What do you think? Reyk YO! 11:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- The clue is in the term "Copyright". To claim that a copyright violation has occurred, there has to be evidence that the material was copied. One sentence is not enough to establish a violation as the sentence could have been independently written (in which case there is no copyright violation). If I (or anyone) were writing a single sentence on a station, it would most likely be in the form of, "XXX station is a station on YYY line of the ZZZ subway.". 85.255.235.229 (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Close paraphrasing also falls under the umbrella of "copyvio", it should be noted. Although (as you note) simple descriptive statements are not that; there's only so many ways to say "X is Y on Z", after all. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- The clue is in the term "Copyright". To claim that a copyright violation has occurred, there has to be evidence that the material was copied. One sentence is not enough to establish a violation as the sentence could have been independently written (in which case there is no copyright violation). If I (or anyone) were writing a single sentence on a station, it would most likely be in the form of, "XXX station is a station on YYY line of the ZZZ subway.". 85.255.235.229 (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- New Page Patrollers often do add sources, but the WP:BURDEN is on the creator to do so, and it's easy for one or two, but not for many, with more still being created. Refusing to reference or communicate, despite many warnings, is disruptive editing. Boleyn (talk) 13:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Given the above, and the fact they've been here since February 2013 and have not once edited the User-talk or Wikipedia-talk spaces, I have indefinitely blocked per WP:COMMUNICATE having reached the level of disruptive editing. If and when (I wish I could only say the latter, but...) they start talking, any admin who is satisfied they'll continue communicating can unblock without needing to check with me first. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help, The Bushranger. Boleyn (talk) 06:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Jeh
| (non-admin closure) Much Ado About Nothing Kleuske (talk) 21:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Jeh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Jeh has been getting me on for quite a while. He seems to be telling me what to do (see my talk page here, here, here). I just wanted to bring consistency to my edits; why would one user object? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 11:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you want administrators to do. He has concerns about your edits and has brought them to your attention. He's trying to teach you about norms and guidelines. He's not being uncivil. He's not making personal attacks. He's not violating any policies or procedures. There's no reason for this to be on the incidents noticeboard. only (talk) 12:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed. I have a great many radio and TV articles in my watchlist. Lately, @Mvcg66b3r:, a relatively new editor, has been making a great many changes to such articles, so naturally their edits show up on my watchlist. In Mvcg66b3r's edits I have for "quite a while" noticed a pattern of editing to change these articles to make them consistent, not necessarily with P or G or template documentation or past consensus or etc., but with Mvcg66b3r's own ideas about how things should be. If such edits continue, my comments at Mvcg66b3r's talk page about those edits will likely continue.
- This isn't the first time they've responded to me with a spurious ANI report either (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive973#"Consistency" in radio/TV station templates ). Jeh (talk) 17:27, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Sportsfan 1234 removing information in bandy
| Bandy sport blocked as a sock.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Sportsfan 1234 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Bandy (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views)
Could you look in to User:Sportsfan 1234's removing of sourced content in the article on bandy? The information has been removed by User:Sportsfan 1234 at least three times now. Bandy sport (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- You are describing a content dispute, Bandy sport, and this noticeboard does not adjudicate content disputes. There is also a behavioral component, because both you and Sportsfan 1234 are engaged in an edit war. If this continues, one or both of you will be blocked. A point in your favor is that you have commented at Talk: Bandy, while Sportsfan 1234 has not yet commented on this matter. You have also failed to notify Sportsfan 1234 of this discussion, which is required of you. Please do so now. Cullen328Let's discuss it 01:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have actually commented in the edit summary, which the other user has failed to do so. They did also notify me, but I removed the discussion. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Commenting in edit summaries does not excuse edit warring, and is no substitute for talk page discussion, Sportsfan 1234. Stop the edit warring, and discuss the matter at Talk: Bandy. Cullen328Let's discuss it 01:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I did not say or mention that. What I am trying to say is I have not just reverted without giving a reason, which I have in my summaries. Anyways, it appears to have settled down. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Commenting in edit summaries does not excuse edit warring, and is no substitute for talk page discussion, Sportsfan 1234. Stop the edit warring, and discuss the matter at Talk: Bandy. Cullen328Let's discuss it 01:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have notifief Sportsfan 1234. If you look at the history of his talkpage, you can see he renoved my note. /Bandy sport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandy sport (talk • contribs) 08:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I confirm indeed that Sportsfan 1234 have seen the notification on their talk page (since they reverted it at 00:48) and still went on to revert the edit (at 00:51) without engaging into any discussion. This is not good. (On the other hand, the point they are trying to make is possibly correct).--Ymblanter (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- In spite of this incident report here, Sportsfan 1234 continues to remove the information and has not written anything on the talk page. Can I undo his change again? Or should I wait until Sportsfan has been blocked or something? /Bandy sport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandy sport (talk • contribs) 09:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please discuss this content dispute at the article talk page, and if that fails, WP:DRN is thataway→. - The BushrangerOne ping only 09:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I only removed the reference which indicates "South Korea" dictates if the sport is on the program. How does one nation dictate that? Its against all common sense. If you see my last edit to the page, I actually did not revert the entire edit. I just removed the part that made absolutely no sense. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please discuss this content dispute at the article talk page, and if that fails, WP:DRN is thataway→. - The BushrangerOne ping only 09:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have actually commented in the edit summary, which the other user has failed to do so. They did also notify me, but I removed the discussion. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Cencoredme
| Cencoredme blocked as a sock of Jack Coppit (talk · contribs · count). Because of the master's history, I revoked Cencoredme's TPA access at the same time as I blocked him. For that reason, it would be best not to post any additional messages to his Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- Cencoredme (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Draft:Altoona-Johnstown child sex abuse scandal (edit talk history links watch logs)
- Draft:Pennsylvania child sex abuse ring (edit talk history links watch logs)
- Child sexual abuse in the United States (edit talk history protect delete links watch logs views) Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_States [281]
I reviewed the contributions of this user, e.g at the linked Drafts, and I have to say I am concerned that this very new user is here on a mission to Right Great Wrongs and is thus not being as careful with respect to WP:BLP as we require. That and the general principle that any username with "censored" (spelt correctly or not) is presumptively WP:NOTHERE. Can a couple of other admins please have a look at this with me? Guy (Help!) 14:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hello! My username is irrelevant, it's neither here nor there. I feel my contributions are not to right wrongs, although I make no attempt to hide my feelings, but more so about contributing to subjects that are of great interest to me for personal reasons. And as a dual cit I feel that I (as well as anyone) should be able to make the contributions I have without feeling like I should have to justify them.Cencoredme (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also note that on Right great Wrongs it states "on Wikipedia, you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in books from reputable publishing houses. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead, we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. What we do is find neutral ways of presenting them." Which is what I have done, my pages are sourced, one extremely heavily from well respected newspapers such as The Guardian, Reuters, etc. This is not a witch hunt, this is myself creating articles that are worthy of creation.Cencoredme (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I reviewed the contributions of this user, e.g at the linked Drafts, and I have to say I am concerned that this very new user is here on a mission to Right Great Wrongs and is thus not being as careful with respect to WP:BLP as we require. That and the general principle that any username with "censored" (spelt correctly or not) is presumptively WP:NOTHERE. Can a couple of other admins please have a look at this with me? Guy (Help!) 14:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) I had some issues with user in the past few hours regarding the two drafts you list above. I was reviwing both drafts and found that each had serious BLP and BLP PRIMARY violations in them. Using the AFC script I markrd the draft with the selection that blanks the draft and instructs the creator to only work on the draft from the history. The editor then reverted those putting the violations back on the front page of the draft. There was much more abusive posts from her with two personal attacks toward me.[282] Finally another editor intervened and tried to tell her she was wrong about these blp violations. See here: [283]
- Please do be aware that after all of this drama Cencoredme created a new article directly, not through AFC. I will put the link at the top for everyone to peruse. [284] Thank you. Lacypaperclip (talk) 14:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please note that my language may have been confrontational but my frustrations were valid, voiced wrongly. The draft referred to by Lacypaperclip is clearly not in violation of BLP due to the fact that the perps named are deceased and have been for years. This was shown repeatedly in the referenced sources. They are not violations as they are not living people, they are in line with the sites rules. In fact the only one that is still living and is named is named because they were convicted. There is nothing wrong with my article, controversial? depends who you ask, but there are no violations of BLP.Cencoredme (talk) 14:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Cencoredme: Please stop edit-warring on ANI. It is not a good idea. GoldenRing (talk) 15:07, 15 January 2018 (UTC) By which, of course, I don't mean that edit-warring is a good idea elsewhere. Just that the consequences are usually particularly swift here. GoldenRing (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please note that my language may have been confrontational but my frustrations were valid, voiced wrongly. The draft referred to by Lacypaperclip is clearly not in violation of BLP due to the fact that the perps named are deceased and have been for years. This was shown repeatedly in the referenced sources. They are not violations as they are not living people, they are in line with the sites rules. In fact the only one that is still living and is named is named because they were convicted. There is nothing wrong with my article, controversial? depends who you ask, but there are no violations of BLP.Cencoredme (talk) 14:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've blocked Cencoredme for 24 hours for edit warring to keep those BLP violations in the draft. Darkness Shines did a good job of revising the draft to make it comply with BLP and Cencoredme simply refuses to understand why that material cannot remain there without sourcing. Katietalk 15:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you Katie, I was glad to be able to seek help from Darkness Shines since this editor just would not listen to my explanations, DS also told her she was wrong. Maybe she is just so new she hasn't grasped all the BLP policies yet. She only has done around 100 edits in total. Maybe Guy is right, she is only here to Right Great Wrongs. Wow, looks like she is bashing me in her unblock request! That can't be a good way to get unblocked. Anyway thanks to all! Lacypaperclip (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
1.11.66.85
| (non-admin closure) Pages deleted, IP address blocked for 1 week. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- 1.11.66.85 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
Could an admin please delete the many pages created by Special:Contributions/1.11.66.85, and consider blocking the IP too. I can't see their deleted contribs but looking at their talk page, it doesn't seem like this is the first time that this has happened. –72 (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Feedback requested: "shut the fuck up"
| This isn't going anywhere. We're all supposedly mature here. How about we all concentrate on building the encyclopedia? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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For clarity, I have four questions:
- Does an editor telling another editor to "shut the fuck up" break WP:CIVIL policy or any other Wikipedia policy?
- Because not one administrator on the ANI page made a comment about an admin telling an editor to "shut the fuck up", should editors understand that it is an acceptable Wikipedia practice, or are administrators allowed to break policies of which editors are not?
- Since many admins stated that referring to a country as a "shithole" is a blockable offense, and, conversely, not one admin commented when an admin told an editor to "shut the fuck up", should editors understand that it is worse to denigrate a country than to humiliate editors?
- When an administrator tells an editor to "shut the fuck up" then writes in their edit summary, "help me, a MINIMUM of three more years of these people thinking they're the new "normal", does that align with WP:BATTLE "Wikipedia is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, carry on ideological battles, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear?
Thank you for the clarity. The Kingfisher (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Some users sometimes say such fucking bullshit that they need to be told to shut the fuck up to avoid being blocked.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion was closed. Please stop trying to pour gasoline on the smoldering embers. THAT in itself is disruptive.Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I really wish people would shut the fuck up about this issue. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Concur with Ymblanter: some users need to be told to shut the fuck up. Telling them is not inherently a CIVIL violation, but may be so on a case-to-case basis. On the balance I think this incident was not. Furthermore, it is far worse to make racist comments about an entire country than to give assertive instructions to individual editors. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Likewise repeating the racist comments of others, notwithstanding positions of power held by said others. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- (after ec) It's also usually a bad idea to call attention to such an incident, especially if time has already passed and nobody else thought it was a big enough deal to follow up on. Things like this are often best left alone. Don't be an angry mastodon. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Likewise repeating the racist comments of others, notwithstanding positions of power held by said others. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) No, it doesn't break policy, and no, it also isn't very polite, so it's better not to make a habit of it. Haven't you trolled this board enough, The Kingfisher? Your battleground posts on Sir Joseph's page suggest you like nothing so much as stirring things up. A look at your contributions suggests the same. Do you realize that if an editor is behaving in a persistently aggressive and battleground manner, as you have been doing ever since you registered a year ago (claiming to be a new user, which I do not believe, looking at your second edit ever, a full-fledged article with footnotes, categories, etc), they can be blocked as a net negative to the encyclopedia? Now start a third thread about my "threat" and Ymblanter's "incivility", go ahead. Bishonen talk 20:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC).
RJ Pxxxxxx
| User indef blocked (non-admin closure) EvergreenFir (talk) 06:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC) |
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Would RJ Pxxxxxx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) be an appropriate candidate for WP:NOTHERE or should I wait for significant post-warning vandalism? --Guy Macon (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked indef - only edits are promoting a book on Amazon. Thanks, ansh666 02:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Trolly user page
I know we're given a bit more latitude on content in userpages,but having come across User:LukeFanboy,he appears to have used his whole page for no other purpose than for trolling.I am unconvinced by their claims that they are dead,aged 0,winner of a championship for tall people,or a mythical beast... Lemon martini (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Possible canvasing and meatpuppetry
This has recently been bought to my attention [[285]] with comments like "I signed up to Wikipedia -for this, can I influence somehow?" and "Good news, Yair: the article passed editor review! But *just* barely. Still need some editors with knowledge to fill out the article and expand it with info." This was raised here [[286]], which in turn was a response to this [[287]]. The AFD did seem to feature a number of almost inactive or fairly new accounts.Slatersteven (talk) 13:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Slatersteven - For sake of clarity here, we're talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hillel Neuer, correct? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:37, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would have thought reading the twitter feed would have told yo, it is a resolved AFD here [[288]] however (apart form the fact it was not raised here at the time) it seems like it may still be a possible issue (given some of the comments (on the twitter feed) with the article Antisemitism in the Labour Party. But it seems it may well be a wider issue then one article or AFD.Slatersteven (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Slatersteven - Ah, thank you. I saw the twitter feed but got distracted and didn't get to read through the whole thing. I'm going through the AFD now... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I would have thought reading the twitter feed would have told yo, it is a resolved AFD here [[288]] however (apart form the fact it was not raised here at the time) it seems like it may still be a possible issue (given some of the comments (on the twitter feed) with the article Antisemitism in the Labour Party. But it seems it may well be a wider issue then one article or AFD.Slatersteven (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- The incident first came to light on the AfD page [289] with a noticed uptick in votes and brought up by Tontag. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- (ecx3)A bit pointless bringing this up, the article survived AFD due to policy based arguments not because of numbers. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- A, It was no consensus.
- B, As I said above this may not be a resolved issue of canvasing, it may still in fact be having an impact.
- C, The "threat" of (for example) making changes to the article to better reflect "the facts" means that there is still the possibility of disruption. It also seems that it is not occurring on just the one AFD, thus is (clearly) an ongoing issue.Slatersteven (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- No consensus is equivalent to keep for AfD purposes, so that argument is irrelevant. If you have an issue with the way the discussion was closed, the proper way to resolve the dispute is to discuss it with the closing admin, and then to take it to WP:DELREV if that doesn't resolve the dispute. Iffy★Chat -- 15:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I was replying to DS's claim that it was a vote for keep (it was not)due to policy based arguments (in fact it was made clear both sides had valid points). Also this is a wider issue then the one AFD (as I also say in my reply to DS). IN fact it was (as I think it should be clear from my OP) that I am more concerned about further potential disruption in article spaceSlatersteven (talk) 16:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- No consensus is equivalent to keep for AfD purposes, so that argument is irrelevant. If you have an issue with the way the discussion was closed, the proper way to resolve the dispute is to discuss it with the closing admin, and then to take it to WP:DELREV if that doesn't resolve the dispute. Iffy★Chat -- 15:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think Oshwah was referring to this newer tweet; this twitter feed has once again announced an AFD in hopes of influencing it. If there is suddenly a major upswing of keep !votes, we'll know why.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I thought this was about the news article which was brought up on the article talk page, obviously I've missed something Darkness Shines (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- All that really shows is E.M.Gregory watches this Yair Rosenberg's twitter feed, saw his piece, and decided to troll everyone at the talk page by calling them POV editors -- with that as "evidence". I am more concerned about the AFD process being disrupted on more than one occasion by a twitter handle.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- How is your above comment not a violation of the FIVE PILLARS? We get it, you don't like EM Gregory and you have a bias, but your constant hounding of him and behavior has got to stop. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sir Joseph throwing out the word bias again, I see. May you describe my bias please? I am unfortunately unaware of it; my apparent shear dislike for Gregory (which I was also unaware of) has blinded me.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with having a bias, we all have one and it's real silly to say you don't have one. But your comment did not come across as something neutral and AGF. Maybe I misread it but it seemed to me to be a little off. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- So how would you have described E.M.Gregory's comment about "POV editors making Wilipedia look bad"?Slatersteven (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with it 100%. There are POV editors and they make Wikipedia look bad. In this case, (both Neuer and Antisemitism) we have clear notable people or subjects that warrant 100% inclusion. There are certain topics in Wikipedia that for some reason or another, many people want to hush up. I also don't get why you're asking me this. I'm not the one who called someone "trolling." Sir Joseph(talk) 16:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Really so having 2 articles that mention something is "hushing it up"?. I am asking you because you have tried to defend a blatant attack on other editors. Oh and I do agree it was trolling, what else is linking to an inflammatory article (on an articles talk page) and using it to attack other edds without actually making an constructive suggestion as to how to use the linked article not trolling?
- Not only does it violate rules about making PA's but also ones about what article talk pages are for, and maybe even a few other rules for good measure. It was nothing but a disruptive act of soapboxing. Perhaps we need to ask admins if this was a rules violation?Slatersteven (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with it 100%. There are POV editors and they make Wikipedia look bad. In this case, (both Neuer and Antisemitism) we have clear notable people or subjects that warrant 100% inclusion. There are certain topics in Wikipedia that for some reason or another, many people want to hush up. I also don't get why you're asking me this. I'm not the one who called someone "trolling." Sir Joseph(talk) 16:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- 1.) It is entirely routine to mention the fact that an article has received media attention on the talk page of the article. 2.) It is absurd to suppose that we can prevent Tablet (magazine) or other media from covering our editing process. Nor can we prevent such coverage from inspiring people to become Wikipedia editors. Such inspiration is not meatpuppetry.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is not "entirely routing" to attack other editors o POV pushing and bringing Wikipedia into disrepute on article talk pages. And there are things we can do to mitigate the effect of of Wiki canvasing. That (by the way) is my main concern here, to mitigate the potential effects of of wiki canvasing (for example is there a link between the author of the tablet article, and any edds who have edited those pages, and if so should that user get a ban?).Slatersteven (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, we are talking about a man Yair Rosenberg, with over 53,000 twitter followers who writes for a popular magazine, Tablet.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is not "entirely routing" to attack other editors o POV pushing and bringing Wikipedia into disrepute on article talk pages. And there are things we can do to mitigate the effect of of Wiki canvasing. That (by the way) is my main concern here, to mitigate the potential effects of of wiki canvasing (for example is there a link between the author of the tablet article, and any edds who have edited those pages, and if so should that user get a ban?).Slatersteven (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- User:TheGracefulSlick certainly does, as User:Sir Joseph writes above, have political biases that lead her to behave towards me - and towards other editors with whom she disagrees - in an aggressive, WP:BATTLEGROUND manner.
- Here she follows me to other users talk pages just to be gratuitously nasty, belittling, and assume bad faith (I found this because she pinged me) : [290].[291], presumably to "improve" her stats at AfD. She certainly knows how to strike a comment properly [292].
- Here: [293] TGS follows an editor with whom she regularly disagrees on terrorism-related AfDs to an arcane American history article, a topic she rarely if ever, and makes a false assertion: "On further examination, the sources Icewhiz provides here are passing mentions, not indepth coverage." In fact, the editor she accused had specifically brought to the page and flagged at AfD an INDEPTH 2013 article in the Saturday Evening Post.[294] To GracefulSlick, the point often seems to be "winning," even by means of making false assertions that appear to discredit fellow editors.
- Here: [295] she was canvassed by an editor to come to his defense at ANI, and she complied, accusing me of being "someone who 'may' have it out for you." In fact, it was my third comment in that thread; my first two were defending the work of the accused editor.
- Here she makes a series of gratuitous attacks on and complaints about fellow editors, here: [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/7700_16th_Street_NW&diff=813949404&oldid=813866725]; [296]; [297], [298], [299], here the slurs and innuendo are about a page that I found at AfD and almost completely rewrote [300], she then improperly changed her iVote to a "comment". E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- May I remind you the last time you made these accusations (at an ANI thread for your behavior) on the same flimsy "evidence", the admin quickly disregarded your frivolous claims. Taking diffs out of context doesn't prove I have a political bias; it does, however, prove you handle your own personal issues with editors by trying to deceive others. Now, if you haven't noticed, this is a thread on canvassing and meatpuppetry. If you want to file something against me, I encourage you to do so.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sigh. This is entirely unsurprising. In my 12+ years in the IP area, canvassing from the pro Israeli editors have virtually been the norm in the AfDs Huldra (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- CommentThis AfD diff provides the same Twitter URL of the OP here. I searched for "can I influence" and I don't find the quote at the URL. Why are we looking at off-Wiki links anyway? Beyond answering that question, the other thing actionable I see here is User:TheGracefulSlick "encouraging" a self-WP:BOOMERANG, which given the 2nd link in the OP, [301], TheGracefulSlick has been outed for accusations of WP:CANVASSING. The diff itself also has the personal attack recorded in the edit summary. Possibly ignore the accusation along with an admonishment not to stir up the community, would suffice. Unscintillating (talk) 20:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Unscintillating, I appreciate your concern, but I have never been outed and C. W. Gilmore never accused me of canvassing. Please read and understand the thread before making such statements. Thanks.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Concern? Ok by me. Just remember that the next time you go "encouraging" an ANI filing against yourself, this episode will be in the record. Unscintillating (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Edgarmm81
Edgarmm81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Could somebody please evaluate if this user is here to contribute to encyclopedia, and, if yes, whether they are competent enough to contribute. Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 00:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ymblanter - Looking now. Stand by... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ymblanter - I see the concerns regarding the edits made to Catalan independence referendum, 2017 that were reverted here and here citing multiple issues (such as NPOV concerns and replacing referenced content with different information). Looking at the article's talk page, on the surface it looks like the user made multiple edits to it that were not appropriate (1, 2, 3, 4) but some of them contain what appears to be an attempt to explain. "Although https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter (sic) and Spanish unionist may feel uncomfortable, this accusation is well-grounded. Let me show you some evidences and abnormal activities" - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was trying to explain, but it clearly looks like this user is driven to edit here and by a single-purpose. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the analysis. Let us give them more rope then before blocking indef.--Ymblanter (talk) 02:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ymblanter - You're welcome, and I agree - give him enough rope; the tiger will show its stripes and the obvious will come to light if the user's intentions aren't to build an encyclopedia :-). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the analysis. Let us give them more rope then before blocking indef.--Ymblanter (talk) 02:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ymblanter - I see the concerns regarding the edits made to Catalan independence referendum, 2017 that were reverted here and here citing multiple issues (such as NPOV concerns and replacing referenced content with different information). Looking at the article's talk page, on the surface it looks like the user made multiple edits to it that were not appropriate (1, 2, 3, 4) but some of them contain what appears to be an attempt to explain. "Although https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter (sic) and Spanish unionist may feel uncomfortable, this accusation is well-grounded. Let me show you some evidences and abnormal activities" - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was trying to explain, but it clearly looks like this user is driven to edit here and by a single-purpose. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Edgarmm81 (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC) I am not expecting that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter shares my point of view. It is obvious his ideology and his intentions. But, unlike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter, I am a witness. And I wish I could find articles for half of the things I saw!
But anyways, almost all of my references are excerpts from... UNIONIST MEDIA to keep it more objective and neutral!!! Who knows what would have happened if I had used pro-independence articles! Btw, would https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter dare to write this article just with pro-independence information?
Never mind, let's focus and let me explain my points in more detail:
Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crystallizedcarbon says, he's right when he says "like the video of an officer hit with a chair". But that policeman is one of the 12 wounded policemen reported by the Catalan Health Service. Besides, the man who threw that chair was arrested[1].
Moreover, there is another video of a policeman bitten during a charge and another one of civilians throwing stones at a armoured van leaving Sant Carles de la Rapita (after causing 40 wounded people), which has no consequences for those policemen health. Anyway, what I was trying to point out is the incongruence when saying it does add up to 431 (like the Minister said), especially when there were reported just 39 that night by the same Minister(so it makes nearly 400 new injured during that night), and above all, because there are no clinical reports beyond the 12 policemen attended by the Catalan Health Service, no further documentation, just speculation of newspaper in the heat of the moment. Furthermore, the coordinator of all the police bodies during the Referendum, Mr Diego Pérez de los Cobos, said "the police was received with direct violent actions", but "there were only 5 arrests"[2]. Sorry, it is impossible to believe that after 431 wounded policemen, there were just 5 people arrested... And I have to say that, obviously, it is likely it could be more wounded people, but the ones who were not attended by any hospital were because they had superficial injuries. And that applies to both sides! (policemen + civilian, not just policemen).
UPDATE: On the 11/jan/2018, the Spanish Police (Policia Nacional) sent to the Permanent Instructional Court number 7 of Barcelona an internal report saying that there were 40 injured antiriot policemen, the most severe suffering from a sprain of wrist and a broken finger. 5 policemen were recommended to have off days.[3][4]
That makes a range between 12 and 40 injured policemen. Far from the 431 policemen that Wikipedia is currently reporting.
Like I said, this article is clearly biased on the Spanish point of view and it has generated indignation among Catalans. And what's more, when you try to expose the other point of view, the censorship appears, as usual in Spain, and that's what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter is trying to do.
Please, keep in mind the report about lack of plurality and indepenence of the TV collaborators in the public RTVE for the whole 2014[5]... and it keeps working like this and then it was extended to the private TV[6]). Therefore, please, expect overreactions from the Spanish side, as they are not used to dealing with contrary opinions[7], and that's why they struggle and reject it, by calling the Catalan information as "biased", "sensationalist" and other words that I will not say.
Long time ago, I wrote a neutral NPOV in which I explained the difference between legality and legitimacy of the referendum. And the reason why Spain grabs legality and why Catalonia grabs legitimicy... but you did not publish it, either.
Please, accept my apologies because my English is not that good and I try to explain it the best I can. Besides, I am a newbie on Wikipedia, and I struggle. For this reason, there are so many edits. Please, take into account just the last version!
Another point highlighted by by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crystallizedcarbon: Regarding the issue "the Spanish Ministry of the Interior instructed the Spanish Attorney General to investigate whether the accusations of police sexual abuse against protesters made by Mayor of Barcelona Ada Colau, who had mentioned the councilor's statements, could be considered a legal offense of slander against": It is true that the Ministry instructed it, but you forgot to say that it has been reported that the Mayor of Barcelona was going to sue the Spanish police for some sexual improper behaviour. This is relevant and you forgot it[8]... You are biasing the article by omitting why the Mayor of Barcelona made that accusation!!! Furthermore, it is false that the case of Marta Torrecillas (the woman of the broken fingers) was found far-fetched by an investigation, but because Marta Torrecillas modified her statement the following day, as I have reported several times[9]. But this case is one of the most important points that the Spanish unionism use to discredit the Referendum, so that's why they omit that rectification, and Wikipedia is working like a unionism abettor unintentionally (bias). So, please, modify the current explanation on Wikipedia, since it is deceiving. If you like it, put it under the heading of "Other controversies" and provide the full explanation, or else, just remove it, as you are not explaining all the wounded people, individually.
With reference to the elections results (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crystallizedcarbon), it is relevant to give an interpretation of the results, as readers are not experts on Catalan nor Spanish elections. It must reflect that:
1) The pro-independence parties confirmed the majority of seats. 2) The Spanish ruling party was severely punished, becoming the seventh (and last) party in votes and seats, achieving just 4 seats in the Catalan Parliament out of 135 (insufficient to constitute a Parliamentary Group). 3) Although the Spanish government claimed the Catalan Referendum had no guarantees, had several irregularities and, even, people voted several times, the number of pro-independence votes in the Catalan elections (that took place on the 21/12/2017) was greater than in the Referendum.
Please, notice I gave you a reputed British reference.[10].
I would also like to point out that this article is full of speculation. Being investigated or suing is a National Sport in Spain. There are lots of reciprocal accusations, and there will be more in the future. Besides, it has been the stategy of the Spanish Government since the beginning of the Catalan affair, as there is no separation of powers in Spain (10/12 of the Tribunal Constitucional judges are appointed by politicians[11], for example).
And what's more, until the judge makes a decision, you are reporting just an specualtion. And this article has plenty of that. Under investigation: Mr Trapero, Mrs Colau, the police for sexual harassment, politicians, judges malfeasance and some you are not including... Please, remove it until you find real evidence, it looks like a tabloid, instead of an objective article.
Finally, keep in mind that those biases and speculations have been on this website over 3.5 months, and the most visits took place in the following days after the event. You should have been more objective, but in fact you have been releasing a very biased Spanish unionist point of view for long, enhancing sensationalismt, delivering opinions and no contrasted information, providing speculations and inaccuracies. Please, beware of that next time.
- ^ http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171025/432345126624/detenido-silla-guardia-civil-sant-joan-de-vilatorrada.html
- ^ https://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/politica/Interior-acabaron-votantes-formaron-parapetos_0_727927956.html
- ^ http://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/politica/Policia-identificacion-antidisturbios-desplegados-Barcelona_0_728277752.html
- ^ https://www.ara.cat/societat/Camel-Lobo-Cobra-Jaguar-nom-policia-1-O-Barcelona_0_1941405993.html
- ^ https://www.media.cat/2014/11/06/informe-l%E2%80%99espiral-del-silenci-a-analisi/
- ^ https://www.ara.cat/en/Only-independence-Spains-TV-Catalonias_0_1916208565.html
- ^ http://cadenaser.com/ser/2017/09/10/politica/1505067486_613847.html
- ^ http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171002/431742168473/ada-colau-denuncia-agresiones-sexuales-policia-1-o.html
- ^ http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171003/431770520587/marta-torrecillas-roto-dedos-inflamacion-referendum-1-o.html
- ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/dec/21/catalonia-voters-results-regional-election-spain-live
- ^ https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal_Constitucional_(Espa%C3%B1a)
- Those to whom "my ideology and my intentions" are "obvious" probably should get less rope. Today I was already accused in being Slovakian nationalist, Spanish nationalist, someone who can not see obvious consensus, someone who does not speak English, and someone who must be deadmin for behavior unbecoming for administrator. To be honest, this is becoming too much for me.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Calling names to editors is out place and insistence on it should have whomever does that blocked, I have gone through that myself (and worse). Now I have this article on my watchlist and seen how just having the parliament of Catalonia mentioned at the beginning of the article was a struggle and a torment, despite being one of the five Ws, which eventually led me to largely abandon this article out of tediousness.
- So I have not looked through all the details of this dispute, but I have seen deceptive edits summaries and misrepresentation of sources in this article that I have pointed other times, which honours the claims of Edgarmm81,like this gratuituous removal edit, or the mass removal of sourced information and no attention to detail I reverted myself, polishing it next.
- The editor's behaviour is coarse, that is true, but his/her claims in form (but also in content) seem to be well-grounded and constructive. A didactic approach applies, since s/he does not seem to be familiar with the rules of the EN WP. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am not defending the article at all, and, as a matter of fact, have absolutely no affiliation with any side of the conflict. I just seriously doubt that Edgarmm81 can achieve anything in this way, and that they are willing to learn. For the time being, they are just a single-purpose account, they do not have any other edits to Wikipedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ymblanter, you are scared because I am unveiling the lies that the Spanish Government has been systematically spreading. And what's more, it is so weird that you permit those manipulations and, now, you feel so offended, nervous and trying to censor and boycott my work... even though I provide clear unionist references... Like I said, this article on Wikipedia has caused a huge indignation among the Catalans, because of its bias, partiality and lack of objectivity, and that's why I opened this account, to shed light on it and correct all the misinformation and manipulation. By the way, I wish I hadnt had to do it...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgarmm81 (talk • contribs)
- Ok, the user basically says themselves they are not here to contribute to the creation of encyclopaedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 23:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with Ymblanter. Maybe this editor confuses Wikipedia with a forum. A small example are these 50 consecutive edits on the Catalan independence referendum, 2017 talk page. Or maybe thinks it's a propaganda platform: see this edit made a little over an hour ago, despite what is being discussed here, that I have undone --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 01:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, absolutely not. It is actually pointing to the deficencies and problems raised by the present, poor state of the article, both related to the statements made and its sources, which is actually a systemic issue, related to WP:RS. As an informed person, I would not come to this article to get an accurate picture of the events, it is full of noise, starting from the very lead section, unbalanced and greatly pumped up in order to, I would say, condition the reader's view, like attempting to charge the first sentences with 'illegal' and a string of legal considerations, discussed here, for one.
- This concern for keeping pumping the lead, left the lead section swollen, which I pointed here, as editors like BallenaBlanca kept adding details, highlighting details in the same direction, I should say. Also this insistent edit by BallenaBlanca (note the deceptive edit summary) after I corrected the misrepresentation of source (afterwards reverted by me again), does him/her little favour.
- Edgarmm81 does not know well how WP operates, but that is not a big issue, it is in the spirit of the WP to keep learning and building up. Iñaki LL (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Iñaki LL You are showing biased information by not giving all the information. Why do not you show this edit of mine, where I explained why I unmade the other edit?
- Also, you said "or the mass removal of sourced information and no attention to detail I reverted myself" A veteran user like you? Do you stay so calm after saying something similar...? Edits that were original research and referenced with messages on Twitter? For more explanations see [302]
- And without taking into account that you have not had the courtesy of pinging me after mentioning me, to give me the possibility to participate in this discussion, which I have seen by chance.
- These are good examples of the type of edits / behaviors that other users and I are trying to neutralize.
- Anyway, I have the feeling that the discussion is being diverted and that this is not the place to discuss the content of the Wikipedia articles. Am I wrong? --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 18:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- @BallenaBlanca:You are right on pinging (I had still the echo of other discussions with users protesting the use of ping) and your last point, but since you were citing 'neutrality'. On this, you mention above, and your claim, what do you mean? I will not elaborate on your other claims either. Go to the article's or my talk page, if applies, for that. Iñaki LL (talk) 19:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Agree with Ymblanter. Maybe this editor confuses Wikipedia with a forum. A small example are these 50 consecutive edits on the Catalan independence referendum, 2017 talk page. Or maybe thinks it's a propaganda platform: see this edit made a little over an hour ago, despite what is being discussed here, that I have undone --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 01:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Fram and incivility
| Closing with no action as an uninvolved administrator who has no clue what either side of the Wikidata debate thinks. There is already a consensus here that no action should be taken, and keeping this open longer will generate more heat than light. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Now, I understand that likely nothing good come out of this request, but I am afraid I can not help it. Fram developed an unfortunate habit of interpreting my statements and then saying I have said something I did not. In particular, here they claimed I said something which I did not say. I quoted verbatim what I said and they insist it is the same as their interpretation. I said they are lying - well, I always thought I know better what I am saying than other people, including Fram, and if they insist, it means they are doing it deliberately. They continued to follow me and came to may talk page, where said that I can not understand my own statements. Could it be stopped somehow? I long ago stopped replying to the points made by Fram because they have never ever changed their opinion about anything and they show up as extremely aggressive. It is unfortunate they continue to be admin. However, apparently, if I do not reply at all people think I do not have anything to reply to start with, and when I do reply Fram becomes even more aggressive. Last time they filed an Arbcom case against me and failed miserably. Avoiding them completely is not really an option, since they continue to comment on the points I make. In the past, they said they have no reason respecting me (which I am sure I will be able to find a diff, if someone insists). To be honest, I am completely fed up with this, to the point that I thought in the morning I should retire. Any advise will be appreciated. I am not comfortable working in a project anybody could say I do not understand my own statements, refuse to retract, get away with it and continue doing so on a regular basis.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your statement[303], with my interpretation, as I said on your talk page.
- "Well, both communities felt confident enough to award me administrator privileges, something which I have not seen you to achieve with either of them." = I'm an admin, you are not.
- "But, as I said, you are certainly entitled to have your opinion on the subject, even if it is completely uninformed and aggressive. This is ok with me." = you may have your own stupid opinion
- "I am not even going to report you for a personal attacks. But I hope you will excuse me if I stop spending my time replying you." = I'm not going to reply to you any further.
- Apparently that statement of yours meant something else (not sure what), and my interpretation of it was "a lie". Complaining about incivility when you are dismissing a user because you are an admin and they are not, and stating things like "I do not feel I should be communicating with someone who (i) calls me a liar thus lying themselfves; (ii) on top of this have difficulties understanding elementary text.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC) " (again, not about me) and so on... Perhaps someone needs to remind Ymblanter that accusing people of lying is a personal attack and is normally not tolerated on enwiki without very good evidence.
- Above, you claim that you "quoted verbatim what [you] said and they insist it is the same as their interpretation." Where did you quote yourself verbatim? As far as I can tell, I am the only one who has actually quoted your statement (first in full, then in separate sentences with my "interpretation"), you haven't. Fram (talk) 10:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I did obviously expect Fram to comment, and I did not expect them to say anything except for that this is only my own fault, and they have never done anything wrong. I would still appreciate comments by other uses how I can avoid this in the future. For the context, it might be good to remind that my statement they quote and misinterpret was a response to "I cant put it any simpler to you, you clearly don't even understand the scope of your own pet project <Wikidata>", directed at me by a user who does not participate at Wikidata and has vastly inferior experience at the English Wikipedia than I have (much shorter tenure, 10 times less edits).--Ymblanter (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- "I did not expect them to say anything except for that this is only my own fault, and they have never done anything wrong." Yes, that's clearly what I said, I have never done anything wrong. Thanks for making my point. Any update on where you quoted verbatim what you said? Fram (talk) 10:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Again, we can watch bullying in real time. If I say yes, they would say I accepted my error; if I say no, they would say I still do not understand anything. This is exactly this behavior of Fram which I find aggressive, outrageous and annoying, and, again, I kindly ask administrators to jump in.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- ??? You claimed in the opening statement here that you quoted the statement I lied about verbatim. I don't see where you did this. I may have missed it, or you may have misremembered. This is not bullying, this is not a yes or no question (no idea where you see a question where you need to say "yes" or "no" here). You made a factual claim, which you either can easily show to be true, or which you can strike-out as a mistake. Neither will make your complaint or my reply "the winner". Fram (talk) 10:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Again, we can watch bullying in real time. If I say yes, they would say I accepted my error; if I say no, they would say I still do not understand anything. This is exactly this behavior of Fram which I find aggressive, outrageous and annoying, and, again, I kindly ask administrators to jump in.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- "I did not expect them to say anything except for that this is only my own fault, and they have never done anything wrong." Yes, that's clearly what I said, I have never done anything wrong. Thanks for making my point. Any update on where you quoted verbatim what you said? Fram (talk) 10:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I did obviously expect Fram to comment, and I did not expect them to say anything except for that this is only my own fault, and they have never done anything wrong. I would still appreciate comments by other uses how I can avoid this in the future. For the context, it might be good to remind that my statement they quote and misinterpret was a response to "I cant put it any simpler to you, you clearly don't even understand the scope of your own pet project <Wikidata>", directed at me by a user who does not participate at Wikidata and has vastly inferior experience at the English Wikipedia than I have (much shorter tenure, 10 times less edits).--Ymblanter (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Only comment I am going to make and hope this is speedily closed as the rubbish it is. As the editor who some of the comments were initially aimed at I entirely concur with Fram's 'interpretation'. I say interpretation, its not interpreting something to read what someone actually wrote. Either Ymblanter has a serious English language issue, or they are being disingenuous here. To make his comments mean something other than exactly what they said, both in wording and within the context of the discussion - they would have to say something completely different. Ymblanter blatantly attempted to pull rank and avoid direct questions that he was unable to answer without making himself look foolish. That's his problem, not anyone else's. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, I did obviously expect Fram to comment, and I did not expect them to say anything except for that this is only my own fault, and they have never done anything wrong
; well, Fram really didn't do anything wrong in this situation so that is correct! Please close this before there is a boomerang. His "interpretations" of your comments were not outlandish and actually quite to the point.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)- I would have interpreted the first two sentences of this diff exactly how Fram did; i.e. "I'm an admin and you're not, so I'm correct" and "You can have your opinion, but you're wrong (or worse)". Now this is either simple condescension, verging on rudeness, or it's a language issue on your part which means you don't realize you're doing it. Neither of those are useful attributes for an administrator to have. Black Kite (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- From what I've seen of this discussion, Ymblanter is quick to antagonise people by belittling them and their opinions. For instance, announcing loudly to everyone that Fram's opinions should be ignored for reasons unknown, and that Only In Death's opinions matter less because he's not an admin and Ymblanter is one. He then adopts a victim posture when people object. Perhaps Fram and others have misunderstood what Ymblanter meant with the "I'm an andmin and you're not" stuff but, if so, that would only be a misinterpretation and not a lie. And since Ymblanter won't say what he did mean, it's all speculation anyway. I suggest closing this as unactionable since it's clear that Fram has done nothing wrong and it's also unclear what admin actions are being requested here. Reyk YO! 10:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I did say what I meant (on my talk page, because I could not reply in the hatted section), and Fram disagreed and said that their interpretation is correct, and not mine.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: For the sake of clarity, could you please point to a diff where you explain what you did mean by this? It looks above like you say that you quoted that verbatim and that you explained it at your talk page, but I can't see either there. GoldenRing (talk) 11:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- (EC) I looked at your talk page and I have no more clarity. You say you meant "they have way less experience that I have" but the comment that seems to be referred to said nothing about experience. It said "Well, both communities felt confident enough to award me administrator privileges, something which I have not seen you to achieve with either of them". Even given that experience is a prerequisite for admin privileges on wikipedia and I'm assuming wikidata, it doesn't follow that someone without admin privileges has less experience than someone that does. So if you had meant to comment on relative experience levels you should have referred to experience levels rather than something else which is at best a very weak proxy. As for the reason you did not wish to engage further, it was fairly unclear from the comment. Was it because of the admin thing? Was it because your regarded their opinions as "completely uninformed and aggressive"? Was it because you felt that they had engaged in personal attacks? Even given that Fram chose a fairly harsh interpretation, the obvious solution was to explain further rather than accuse someone of lying when your comment itself was unclear. Nil Einne (talk) 11:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- The whole discussion is here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Discussion (linking to Wikidata RfC). The first diff by Oidde I was specifically responding to: [304]. This is what I said: [305]. This was the reply: [306]. This is what I replied, and this is what Fram refers to: [307]. This is how Fram refers to it: [308] (first three lines: You are the one who refused to engage further with another experienced editor because you are an admin and they aren't). My explanation that this is not what I said: [309]. In plain words: I indeed stopped discussing the Wikidata issue with Oidde, but not because I am admin and they are not, but because I do not think they understand they are talking about, and on top of this they find it useful to teach me about Wikidata (in form of personal attacks) despite the obvious fact that I have more experience both on Wikidata and Wikipedia than they have. The reaction we basically see in this topic.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- The more I read into these discussions, the more I wonder how this was even possible. You must have been an entirely different editor then because you can't seem to understand what is wrong with your comments and responses now. Your total failure to communicate appropriately is a vital failure in your duty as an admin.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 11:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- The whole discussion is here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Discussion (linking to Wikidata RfC). The first diff by Oidde I was specifically responding to: [304]. This is what I said: [305]. This was the reply: [306]. This is what I replied, and this is what Fram refers to: [307]. This is how Fram refers to it: [308] (first three lines: You are the one who refused to engage further with another experienced editor because you are an admin and they aren't). My explanation that this is not what I said: [309]. In plain words: I indeed stopped discussing the Wikidata issue with Oidde, but not because I am admin and they are not, but because I do not think they understand they are talking about, and on top of this they find it useful to teach me about Wikidata (in form of personal attacks) despite the obvious fact that I have more experience both on Wikidata and Wikipedia than they have. The reaction we basically see in this topic.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I did say what I meant (on my talk page, because I could not reply in the hatted section), and Fram disagreed and said that their interpretation is correct, and not mine.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- (Multiple EC) Can you give one or two specific examples of what you said, how Fram intepreted it and what you actually meant? Because having looked at the various diffs and associated comments, I can't work out what specifically your complaining about. You mentioned something about "quoted verbatim" but I'm confused where this actually happened as what I'm seeing is Fram quoting you and offering their interpretation, most of which seem resonable. Nil Einne (talk) 11:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Okay I lied, not the only comment as I should address my own behavior there too. The only defense I am going to offer for my own aggressiveness is that this is in the context of a wikidata discussion, where wikidata proponents are advocating (amongst other things), linking to blank wikidata entries, linking to wikidata targets that are unrelated to the article, linking to wikidata living people who don't have an article on ENWP (Wikidata has no BLP policy remember). The softly softly conciliatory approach has been tried for months and months now and its not getting anywhere. Its tiring getting the same unacceptable responses from editors like Ymblanter when these problems are raised. So when you have someone pulling the 'I know better because I have more edits than you and I'm an admin' card, its going to be more than slightly annoying. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just to make it clear, I did not advocate blue linking (actually, quite the opposite). I tried to get my point across - that Wikidata is not what most Wikipedia users perceive it to be - and instead of constructive discussion (the only user who managed to discuss it constructively was Beetstra, and I disagree with him, but we did not have any issues) got a bunch of personal attacks.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing any civility problems here. I think Fram's paraphrasing of what you've said is reasonable. @Ymblanter: - you're clearly pissed off and acting in the heat of the moment is always a recipe for doing something you regret (perhaps such as starting this thread). This isn't a criticism; we all do it. Don't retire, but perhaps consider a day off. It won't matter so much after 24 hours. ElAhrairah inspect damage⁄berate 12:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Clearly a lot of editors in that long Discussion thread are frustrated and irritable, and are discussing editors instead of content. (For some reason Wikidata seems to polarize people and arouse argumentativeness, perhaps because it is still a work-in-progress and there is no universal agreement yet on all of the basics.) All of those doing so need to step back and chill and then return to discussing only content and policies and guidelines, not other editors. If you disagree with someone, there's also no actual need to repeat yourself numerous times, in my opinion. While I don't think it was a great idea for Fram to go to Ymblanter's talkpage (he should probably stay off of Ymblanter's talkpage), I don't see any intentional incivility or gross misrepresentation on his part. As it is, an uninvolved party had to hat some of the ad hominem arguments in that RfC Discussion thread. So I think the soluton is for everyone to henceforth refrain from mentioning other editors and stick to discussing content and policy and guidelines. Don't even use the word "you". Contrary to what someone said above, it is possible to get one's point across civilly if one's arguments are cogent enough. It may be the case that that RfC and its subthreads/subparts are trying to accomplish too much. Possibly some of the subparts will have to be hashed out again in another discussion for further refinement. Softlavender (talk) 12:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
WhiteGuy1850
| This is a content dispute. ANI is not a place to win content disputes. Please discuss this at Talk:Finns. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC) |
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- WhiteGuy1850 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User WhiteGuy 1850 continually makes disruptive edit in article Finns, e.g. adding information that Finns speak Swedish. Could someone do something about this? Velivieras (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- This looks very much like a content dispute, with the article being a mostly unsourced mish-mash of Finns and Finnish speakers, which are not necessarily the same thing. Please use the article talk page. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Around 5% of Finns speak Swedish as their mother tongue. Kind of similar to Canada and English/French. You may want to revert your edits and apologize. 91.155.192.188 (talk) 19:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Ban Snooganssnoogans for disruptive editing and edit warring
| Closing before WP:BOOMERANG strikes. Immunmotbluescreen strongly warned to provide diffs when making claims about improper user behavior. --NeilN talk to me 17:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC) |
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I am trying to improve Immigration to Sweden, but when I was editing the crime section, the user Snooganssnoogans deleted the entire section and replaced it random excerpts remotely related to the issue without first discussing this on the talk page. The section is now 1500 words long (which is longer than any other section about immigration on the entire English Wikipedia). At the same time it manages to leave out the most crucial pieces of information. Things that would be nice to have in order to fulfill WP:NPOV includes
- Perspectives other than the highly politicized and debunked sociology professor Jerzy Sarnecki
- The censoring of new crime statistics
- A general summary of the development of crime which is needed for understanding the arguments.
The way Snooganssnoogans achieve both having a section that is both too long and leave out the relevant information is to discard structure and include irrelevant information.
- Two paragraphs are dedicated to what Donald Trump's view of the situation is. A man who is famous for changing opinion depending on the audience and situation and has probably never even been to Sweden or written a research paper.
- The same information is repeated in the beginning of the article and towards the end (Brå 2005 and Sarnecki 2013)
- Most text is spent giving different perspectives on how immigrants are over represented, but not if you account for socioeconomic factors.
Snooganssnoogans is quite good at posing as a legitimate user, but when you see the history you realize that this user is not trying to improve Wikipedia. It is obvious that he tries to get me to attack him to trigger some personal attack warning.
- First he deleted the section that looked promising and replaced it with this mess and he won't even allow deleting duplicate of information.
- He has falsely accused me for editing warring when trying to get him to argue why he deleted the previous section, and then when I try to improve this section. First time I broke 3RR (although I don't think it applies to mass removal) and now he broke the 3RR rule and he still blame me.
- He won't seriously engage in the talk pages, and when he does he does not try to argue his position and instead try to provoke me.
- He quite successfully tried to side track my RS thread to be about a choice of words instead of the issue[310]
- He openly boasts about provoking other users on his page and his talk page is filled with people trying to engage in serious discussion with him (which is a waste of time) Wikipedia:Civility
- He disrupts any attempt at improving the crime section
If he sees this post, he will likely try to side track it to be about Tino Sanandaji, but don't take the bait. I would like to continue to improve this section, but it is impossible to do so with Snooganssnoogans present and I have demonstrated that he is not a serious user. --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 19:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- First, I did not violate WP:3RR. Second, Immunmotbluescreen made similar complaints against me 12 days ago [311]. The complaints were as spurious then as they are now. Note that Immunmotbluescreen is doing the same edit warring over essentially the same content as he did 12 days ago. The edits have been rejected by other editors and Immunmotbluescreen's proposed changes have not been approved on the talk page. Immunmotbluescreen's discussions on the talk page are usually just WP:NOTFORUM rants against "sociology" and his desires to introduce WP:FALSEBALANCE and WP:FRINGE-style content and sources (self-published books and a PDF released by Sweden's far-right party) to counteract "sociology" (which he believes is a lesser scientific discipline).[312] When the user refers to "sociology", he's talking about the numerous academic publications and dozens of high-quality news outlets that the Wikipedia page under dispute currently uses. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:52, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have lost count of how many times we have been through this. Serious scientists have debunked Sarnecki[313][314]. If he was a serious scientist instead of an activist, he would be struggling with Statistics 101. It is still the crime section which you have made worse than how it was when we started, but it is a completely different angle which serious editors will notice. As honest editors will notice, no one is against removing Trump or reducing the length of the article. The only thing that is disputed there is whether or not Sanandaji should be included which is a different discussion. No serious editor would exclude the most famous academic on the issue's comments and no serious editor would let one debunked academic decide the picture of an entire country.
- Even on this very page he continues with lies and a attempts to side track the discussion. The edits that were discussed did not cover Sarnecki vs Sanandaji, but Trump vs relevance. He will never contribute in positive sense to Wikipedia and disrupts others attempting to improve the articles. Take a look at the edit this liar claims to be about Sanandaji [315]. I have never used a pdf "released by Sweden's far-right party" as a source, it might have been included in section which I was attempting to fix, but it was there before I arrived [316] to the page. That was another lie in your statement. He needs to be banned for his lies and false accusations. --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 20:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- These personal attacks and BLP violation lead me to suggest WP:BOOMERANG. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- A few gems from the article's talk page:
"The reason why you are against this is because if the views are presented fairly you know that people will dismiss sociology view, and rightly so."
"The scientific method does not change between different fields. If logic doesn't apply in a field it is likely it's a soft science/pseudoscience."
"It is also biased as the sociology view is pushed at every opportunity. ... We also know that Sarnecki is wrong and thus should improve the article accordingly to achieve the best outcome. The relationship between low socioeconomic status and violent crime has been questioned by more serious sciences than sociology."
- EvergreenFir(talk) 22:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see how any of those are attacks and I don't think it is a secret I want to include other views? 1. If he avoids the argument, you might suspect that there is something else behind the editing. 2. That is also a true statement and the statistical methodology is the same regardless of the field. 3. According to WP:IAR even if there was a rule against showing the full picture, which there is not, we can use IAR to override it. I also posted links here from an economist and Psychiatry perspectives. How are they wrong in their arguments? I am not suggesting we should remove the sociology perspective (even if I think it is irrelevant). I simply think it should be complemented. Does the current version seem fair and balanced to you? As Sanandaji is arguing, socioeconomic factors are irrelevant for the question whether or not the immigration has lead to higher crimes since the immigration undeniably have lead to more inequality. To account for fat and carbohydrates when consuming a bag of potato chips does not make the consumption any less healthy. You can't make a problem disappear by accounting for factors. "There were no genocides in the Soviet Union if you account for totalitarian governments" does for example not make any sense. Socioeconomic factors might explain why people commit crime, but says nothing about increase in crime.
- It is not a personal attack to call out dishonest editing and lies. Rather, it is the only defense for honest editors.
- However this is Sanandaji vs Sarnecki, and not part of his recent edit war. Look at these edits [317]. Do you think Trump should be included?
- BLP violation? --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 22:50, 15 January 2018 (:::::If
- @Immunmotbluescreen: This is not the place for a content dispute (re: Trump). You have a strong POV regarding sociology as a discipline and you've made repeated personal attacks on users (here against Irnya Harpy and a few times in ANI here against Snoo). You've admin shopped ([318], [319]) as well. I don't have time right now to dig further (sorry JzG), but your behavior thus far has been far from ideal. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- PS, your BLP violation was the "statistics 101" comment... EvergreenFir (talk) 02:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- I commend a review of the contributions of Immunmotbluescreen(talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This smells of long-dead rat. Guy(Help!) 00:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir: I totally agree, as I predicted Sno tried to side track the conversation to be about this. Let's not bring up sociology vs facts and logic here. We can leave it at I, like most people of hard science, don't take sociology seriously, but that this does not show in my article edits. I needed to explain the context to inform you about the situation because of your three out of context quote. As you see the edit that I reported him for, it does not involve Sanandaji and my attempt was an improvement that he blocked. As long as you agree that we should not delete the treatments of Jews in Nazi Germany because if you account for anti-Semitism in society and law, they we were not treated any different, you agree with me on this issue though.
- As I have said before, calling out lies and dishonesty does not count as personal attacks. Harpy also falsely blamed me for edits I did not do, change her interpretation about Wikipedia rules depending on the situation and makes preposterous claims about the use of sources. I have never attacked her, only defended myself from her attacks. I asked the administrators to intervene, but they did nothing other than to warn Sno.
- @JzG: That is what I am requesting. Take a look at the version history and see that I am making constructive edits and he is not. However, since he is so constantly dishonest, he has lied twice in this very conversation, which is enough for a ban. His own user page breaks every rule in Wikipedia:Civility. Maybe it is too much to ask to review the claim that is pretending to be stupid while making purposefully biased edits so that serious users try to explain to him basic science and logic and eventually are outraged. You can simply ban him for lying and lack of civility. Just a couple of clicks and Wikipedia will automatically get better.--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- If I disagree with Nazis, I agree with you? WTF?
- Your dismissal of an entire academic discipline demonstrates your inability to edit neutrally with respect to it. Your nonsensical comments about Nazis, your repeated personal attacks (don't call other users liars), your denigration of fellow editors, your inability to edit neutrally regarding social sciences (
"Let's not bring up sociology vs facts and logic here"
), your BLP violations, your apparent admin shopping, your WP:RGW attitude trying to insert your interpretation into articles... I think a t-ban is in the future. EvergreenFir(talk) 16:49, 16 January 2018 (UTC)- Sociology does not have exclusive rights to immigration. Immigration is part of economics as other fields as well, but my personal and quite wide spread opinion of sociology is not relevant for my edits. I have never expressed any opinion about either immigration or Nazis, it simple demonstrate that accounting for factors does not make end results disappear. Accounting for anti-Seminism does not change the fact that Jews were mistreated in Nazi Germany. Accounting for socioeconomic factors does not prove that the level of immigration does not affect crime. That's not taking a side, that is a statement of fact. BLP only applies to articles? I have not written Statistics 101 on his page. WP:RGW does not apply as I using Massutmaning as a source.
- Lie - "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive", Liar - "a person who tells lies". Sno wrote "The edits have been rejected by other editors and Immunmotbluescreen's proposed changes have not been approved on the talk page. Immunmotbluescreen's discussions on the talk page are usually just WP:NOTFORUM rants against "sociology" and his desires to introduce WP:FALSEBALANCE" The edit in question does not involve Sanandaji [320] and has never been disapproved on the talk page -> Lie 1. "his desires to introduce [...] WP:FRINGE-style content [...] a PDF released by Sweden's far-right party)" The pdf was there before I started editing[321] -> Lie 2. What does that make Sno? At a closer inspection of Wikipedia:Assume good faith, it is not recommended to say it out loud, but to report it do administrators. Technically I did not follow this order, and I suppose I am sorry for not using ANI more often, but now that you know that he is spreading lies it is the administrators job to stop him. --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 17:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
If you don't want to do anything about Sno, how can the section be improved? Honest question. I think you agree with me that it needs to be fixed.--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Immunmotbluescreen: This board isn't for discussing content disputes. See WP:DRR for other options. --NeilNtalk to me 13:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'll bring this dispute there. That leaves his lies and disruptive editing for discussion here. Can we all agree that he is lied on this very page and mislead fellow administrators to engage in an side track discussion about Sanandaji vs Sarnecki that is not relevant, and that this behavior is not allowed? --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 14:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- People are giving you a lot of rope, be careful that you don't hang yourself. Snooganssnoogans isn't an Admin. User:NeilN and I are. Doug Weller talk 15:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'll bring this dispute there. That leaves his lies and disruptive editing for discussion here. Can we all agree that he is lied on this very page and mislead fellow administrators to engage in an side track discussion about Sanandaji vs Sarnecki that is not relevant, and that this behavior is not allowed? --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 14:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)