위키백과:마을 펌프(기술)/아카이브 132

Wikipedia:

페이브리케이터 업데이트

버그 리포트 등을 취급하는 분들에게는 11월 21일에 버그질라가 오프라인으로 전환하고, 파브리케이터는 물건을 수입한 후 다음 주 월요일이나 화요일에 생방송으로 나간다는 것이 현재 잠정적인 개념이다.당신은 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T15에서 그것에 대해 더 많이 읽을 수 있다.

여기서 업데이트해야 할 사항(예: 버그질라에서 버그를 보고하라는 권고)에 대해 생각해 보는 것이 아마도 좋은 생각일 것이다.Whatamidoing (WMF) (토크) 20:31, 2014년 11월 6일 (UTC)

버질라 페이지는 "버질라에서 파브리케이터로의 이주는 11월 21일부터 시작될 계획"이라고 말한다.그럼 "다음 주 월요일이나 화요일, 물건을 수입한 후"까지는 버그를 사용할 수 없는 겁니까?정말? --Ancheta Wise (대화 기여) 19:14, 2014년 11월 9일 (UTC)
보아하니 전체 데이터베이스를 가져오려면 주말 내내, 그리고 조금 더 걸릴 것 같다.모든 것을 읽을 수는 있겠지만, 그 시간 동안 새로운 정보를 추가할 수는 없을 것이다.Whatamidoing (WMF) (토크) 18:41, 2014년 11월 10일 (UTC)
그것은 간단한 일이 아니다.이전에 아무도 파브리케이터로 Bugzilla를 이주시킨 적이 없고, 우리는 73k의 보고서를 처리해야 한다.계획된 단계 순서가 mw:Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla#Timeline.우리는 당신이 벌레가 없는 주말을 즐기기를 바란다.;;) --Qgil-WMF (대화) 23:51, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)

Bugzilla에서 Phabricator로의 마이그레이션에 대한 업무 시간 2배 증가

안녕, 다음 주에는 Bugzilla에서 Phabricator로의 마이그레이션에 대한 당신의 질문에 답변하기 위해 두 시간 동안 진행하겠다.

#위키미디아 오피스에서, 평소와 같이.11월 21일 금요일 00:30 UTC에서 이주를 시작할 계획이다.자세한 내용은 mw:에서 확인해 보십시오.Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla.--Qgil-WMF (대화) 23:48, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)

역사 시간 스탬프가 잘못됨

왜 여기 타임 스탬프는 미래에 한 시간 있을까?SpiningSpark 13:04, 2014년 11월 14일(UTC)

11시간 전에 01:37과 01:43 UTC로 보고 있어.지금은 13:16 UTC이다.몇 시쯤 보입니까? -- John of Reading (대화) 13:17, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)
으악. 24시간.방금 게시된 줄 알았는데.SpiningSpark 13:28, 2014년 11월 14일(UTC)

템플릿 도움말 필요

그린 라인 버스 노선 724를 읽던 중 페이지 중간쯤에서 심각한 난장판을 발견했다. 이 개정판에서는 볼 수 있을 것이다.템플릿이 어디선가 우습게 된 것 같아.누구 도와줄 사람 있어?Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:29, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)

몇 시간 전에 되돌린 이 편집이었는데, 그 결과 아직도 여러 페이지가 깨져 있다.WP만 있으면 된다.숙청. --Redros64 (대화) 20:43, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)
해결됨
잘됐네, 그거 잘 해결했네. 고마워.Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:46, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)

누군가 도착했다

과학과 예술 분수라는 새로운 기사에서, 지리 좌표(?)를 본문 중앙에 배치했다.그들에게 어느 정도 자리를 마련해 주는 것은 좋은 생각이지만 나는 그것이 어떻게 이루어져야 하는지가 아니라고 생각한다.도와주실 수 있겠어요?Einar aka Carptrash (대화) 14:53, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

엄밀히 말하면 유효한 일이지만 이 경우 두 분수가 너무 가까이 붙어 있기 때문에 헤더에 하나의 좌표를 두는 것이 좋을 것 같다.모스:COODSWP:위키프로젝트 지리 좌표가 도움이 될 수도 있고 아닐 수도 있다.Thincat (토크) 15:06, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
각각의 이미지 캡션에 하나씩 넣었어.이것은 충분히 깨끗해 보인다.세나륨 (대화) 15:14, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
그것도 괜찮아 보인다.Thincat (토크) 15:18, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

구글은 뉴런이 해킹당했을지도 모른다고 생각한다.

뉴런(대화 기록 편집 보호 로그 보기 보기 링크 삭제)

방금 "Neuron"을 검색했는데, 첫 번째 히트작은 위키피디아 기사였습니다.구글은 기사 URL 아래 빌리지 펌프나 헬프 데스크 아카이브에 나타나지 않는 문구인 '이 사이트가 해킹당할 수도 있다'는 메시지를 표시했다.그 메시지를 클릭하면 나는 여기에 도착했는데, 그것은 비정보적인 것이었다.정도의 청소년 반달리즘을 세지 않는 한 그 기사에서는 특이한 것을 볼 수 없었다(찾아봐야 할 정도는 아니었다). 만약 반달리즘이 살아 있는 동안 우연히 짧은 창문으로 기사를 기어가게 되었다면 구글이 일종의 해킹으로 해석했을지도 모른다.

무슨 일인지 아는 사람 있어?이 사실을 보고해야 할 곳이 있는가?에이드리언 J. 헌터(talkcontribs) 03:22, 2014년 11월 12일(UTC)

나는 지금 호주의 애들레이드에 있어, 혹시 로컬 서버와 문제가 될까봐.에이드리언 J. 헌터(talkcontribs) 03:27, 2014년 11월 12일(UTC)

플로리다에서도 같은 메시지를 받는다. --NE2 03:33, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
홍콩에서도 마찬가지. -- 같은 배 - -舟 (대화) 03:36, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
대표적인 뉴런이 세포 본체를 갖고 있다(wikipedia.org)는 구글이 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuronhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neuron?previous=yes에서 검색한 내용을 검색해보면 구글이 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron과 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/neuron?previous=yes에 모두 인덱싱했다는 것을 알 수 있다.'이 사이트는 해킹 당할 수 있다'는 전자의 경우만 표시돼 있다.후자는 구글이 2014년 10월 26일 22:12:30 GMT에 의해 캐시되었다. 전자는 구글의 캐시를 작은 녹색 아래 화살표에 표시하지 않는다. 아마도 구글이 해킹당했다고 의심하기 때문일 것이다.캐시가 표시되지 않을 때 인덱싱한 시기를 직접 확인할 수 있는 방법은 모르겠지만, 검색 사이트인 '이 페이지는 마지막으로 수정한 페이지' 사이트:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron에 "이 페이지는 2014년 6월 24일 23시 52분에 마지막으로 수정한 페이지"라고 나와 있다.그것은 다음 7월 19일에 편집된 이 오래된 버전이어야 한다.구글은 보통 기사를 자주 색인하는 것 같다.해킹당한 줄 알고 재방문을 중단한 것일까.나는 그들이 왜 그렇게 생각하는지 모르겠다.프라임헌터 (대화) 04:02, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
Google Webmaster Tools 계정을 가진 위키백과 관리자가 있는가?그렇다면 구글이 사이트를 해킹했다고 생각하는 이유를 알 수 있어야 한다.(대화) 05:04, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
이것은 일주일 전에 크렌에어에 의해 발견되었다: 여기 IRC 로그에서 "뉴론"을 검색하라.나는 그것에 대해 어떤 조치가 있었는지 모르겠다.로그에서 볼 수 있듯이 영어 위키백과에 대한 구글 웹마스터 툴 계정이 있는지, 있다면 누가 접속할 수 있는지 아무도 모르는 것 같다.
Nemo bis의 조언에 따라 나는 Bugzilla에 버그를 신청했다: bugzilla:73305 바라건대 이것이 어느 정도 눈에 띄기를 바란다 — 이것, 저것다른 (대화) 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
좋아, 모두 고마워.에이드리언 J. 헌터(talkcontribs) 12:34, 2014년 11월 12일(UTC)
Google 웹마스터 도구에 따르면:

현재 사이트 콘텐츠에서 보안 문제를 감지하지 못했다.보안 문제와 보안 문제가 사이트에 어떤 영향을 미칠 수 있는지 자세히 알아보려면 당사의 리소스를 검토하십시오.

그게 뭐든 고쳐졌거나 잘못된 긍정이었거나...레이디 (토크) 13:03, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
티켓:2014110510000676, 일주일 전에도 이 문제에 대해 사용자가 논의하도록 했다.///EuroCarGT 03:15, 2014년 11월 13일(UTC)
@Reedy: 구글은 여전히 6월 24일 버전을 인덱싱하고 "이 사이트는 해킹 당할 수도 있다"고 말한다.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron에서 절차를 다시 제출해 주시겠습니까?"이런 식으로 일주일에 최대 500개의 개별 URL을 제출할 수 있다"고 적혀 있다.구글이 인덱싱한 버전에 BLP 기물 파손이나 기타 문제가 심각할 경우 편집자들이 기사 재전송을 요청할 수 있는 일반적인 방법이 있는가?프라임헌터 (토크) 10:58, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
충분한 권한이 부여되지 않았다.더 많은 접근을 위해 작전을 짜는 중...레이디(토크) 12:36, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
좋아, 이제 끝이야.레이디 (토크) 14:28, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
고마워. 구글은 아직 아무것도 바꾸지 않았지만 무슨 일이 생기면 여기에 게시할게.프라임헌터 (대화)20:35, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
성공!지난 몇 시간 동안 위의 구글 검색 ' 페이지는 최종 수정되었다' 사이트:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron은 '이 페이지는 2014년 11월 17일에 최종 수정되었다'로 변경했고, 더 이상 '이 사이트가 해킹당했을 수 있다'고 말하지 않았다.다시 한번 레이디에게 고마워.프라임헌터 (대화) 03:59, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

핫캣 버그?

방금 HotCat을 사용하여 카테고리에 기사를 추가함:청소년 조직("s" 포함)자동으로 Categate로 변경됨대체 맞춤법에서 리디렉션(전자가 카테고리:청년 조직("z" 포함)뭐가 고장났어?Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy와 대화; Andy가 편집20:02, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)

아마 HotCat이 고장 났을 거야.그것은 카테고리에 있는 고양이들을 제공하지 말아야 한다.위키백과 소프트 리디렉션 범주, 고양이에게 방어를 제공해서는 안 된다.{{Category redirect}}--Redrose64 (대화) 20:52, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)
네가 HotCat에서 버그를 찾은 것 같아.Commons에서 보고할 수 있음:MediaWiki_talk:가젯-핫캣.js.러슬릭_제로20:53, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)
보고, 해결책 제시.@Redrose64:나는 HotCat이 리디렉션을 제공하는 것은 괜찮다고 말하고 싶다(어쨌든 그냥 입력할 수 있다).후자는 여기서 실패했지만, 나는 그것이 모든 현실적인 경우에 대해 고쳐질 수 있다고 생각한다.HHHIPO 22:13, 2014년 11월 13일(UTC)
수정됨. 변경 내용을 즉시 가져오기 위해 브라우저에 캐시를 다시 로드해야 할 수 있음. 그렇지 않으면 수정 사항이 MediaWiki 서버가 적합하다고 판단될 때 전파됨.루포 22:29, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

삽입 기호 상자 사라짐

내 편집 페이지에 있는 기호 상자가 없어졌어.로토프 (대화) 21:21, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)

누구 좀 도와주시겠습니까?로토프 (대화) 13:51, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
안녕 로토프, 나도 비슷한 일이 있었는데 이 토론으로 문제가 해결됐어.하지만 다른 사람들이 그것을 경험하고 있다면, 사례별 기준보다 더 많은 것을 고려해 볼 가치가 있을지도 모른다.빅토리아 (tk) 14:09, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
고마워, 빅토리아.페이지를 비워보라는 말씀이십니까 사용자:로토르페/모노북.js?로토프 (대화) 15:10, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
시도해 볼 만한 가치가 있는가? 특히 그 콘텐츠는 전혀 쓸모가 없고, 다른 스크립트가 실패하는 이유일 수도 있는 js 오류를 일으키기 때문에, 당신은 잃을 것이 아무것도 없다.
사용자:로토르페/벡터.js도 그 일을 하는 동안.쓸모없을 뿐(혹은 해로울 뿐) 언젠가 벡터로 전환하고 싶을 수도 있다. 평화 - קיפודד ( ( ((kipod) (토크) 15:17, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
성공!두 분 모두에게 감사드린다.로토프 (대화) 16:13, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
안녕 로토프, 그래, 나는 페이지를 비우고 기호를 되찾았다. 그리고 내가 가장 많이 사용하는 스크립트를 한 번에 하나씩 추가하기 시작했다.나는 간신히 대시 스크립트와 페이지 크기 스크립트를 다시 넣었는데 문제가 발생하지 않았어.나는 모노북, btw를 사용한다.빅토리아 (tk) 2014년 11월 15일 19:00 (UTC)
나는 대본을 사용하지 않지만, 내 상징들을 모두 돌려받았고, 전보다 더 깔끔하게 정리했다.다시 한번 정말 고마워!Rothorpe (대화) 19:08, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
@Rothorpe:사용자:Rothorpe/monobook.js는 비어 있지만, 대부분의 페이지에 있는 대부분의 다른 가젯과 일부 비가젯 기능(예: 상자 확장 및 접기 코드 또는 테이블 정렬)과 마찬가지로 문제의 기능은 스크립트다.
당신이 당신의 monobook.js에 이것을 가지고 있었을 때, 그것은 유효한 Javascript가 아니다; 그리고 그것은 MediaWiki 소프트웨어가 당신의 monobook.js, 당신이 활성화한 모든 가젯들, 그리고 몇몇 더 많은 Javascript 코드들 (붕괴, 분류 등)을 사용하고 있기 때문에 다른 스크립트들을 깼다.e 대용량 JavaScript 파일.만약 당신의 브라우저가 그것의 아주 작은 부분 하나를 좋아하지 않는다면, 그것은 창밖으로 많은 것을 내던져 버릴지도 모른다.모든 브라우저가 그렇게 까다롭지는 않지만. --Redrose64 (토크) 20:33, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
설명해줘서 고마워.나는 어느 정도 이해한다고 생각한다.오래 전에 타이핑을 해야 한다고 누가 그러던데, 왜 그랬는지 까먹었어.그럼 계속 비워둘까?로토르페(토크) 01:15, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
빈 파일은 아무 것도 하지 않고, 세미콜론 한 개도 아무 것도 하지 않는다.어떤 것을 사용하든 상관없다. --Redros64 (대화) 09:47, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
그래, 고마워.Rothorpe (대화) 20:53, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

언어 & 대륙

"Language" 메뉴 항목(메인 페이지, LH 도구 모음)을 마우스로 가리키면 "중동"이라는 대륙이 추가되는 것을 볼 수 있다.이 일은 어디서 물어 볼 수 있을까?WP:VPT, enwiki, mw? -DePiep (대화) 12:05, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

안 보여.이상하게 들린다.아무 것도 클릭하지 않고 메인 페이지#p-lang의 "언어" 제목 위를 맴돌 때 이런 일이 일어난다는 말인가?텍스트는 어디에 배치되어 있는가?그것은 "계속"이라고 하는가, 아니면 대륙을 나열하는가?리바토우코르웬 FC와 같은 모든 페이지에서 일어나는 일인가?당신의 브라우저와 피부는 무엇인가?로그아웃할 때 그런 일이 일어나는가?프라임헌터 (대화) 15:38, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
찾았다.단축 언어 목록 아래에 있는 점 세 개를 클릭하면 Preferences, Beta, Compact language 링크가 켜짐Thincat (토크) 15:55, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
고마워. 그걸 보려면 사이드바트랜슬레이트 장치도 비활성화해야 했어.디파이프, 맴돌면서 클릭을 안 하면 이런 게 보인다는 거야?"계속"이라고 주장하는가?그들은 일부 광범위한 언어에 대한 "세계적"과 일부 기사의 "태평양"을 포함한 지역이다. 예를 들어, Cat과 같은.구글 검색에서 "중동 언어"를 검색하면 "약 16만 개의 결과"를 얻는다.흔한 개념이다. 기능은 Special에서 활성화됨:"토론" 링크가 mw에 연결되는 기본 설정#mw-prefection-betafeatures:대화: Universal Language Selector/Design/Interlanguage 링크It mw:Talk:Universal Language Selector/Design/Interlanguage 링크#계속 짜증나네.그 문제를 언급하는 게시물이 있다.프라임헌터(토크) 16:32, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
나는 다양한 베타를 사용할 수 있다. (자세한 정보를 알고 싶다.)excample page George W. Bush.언급된 10여 개의 "언어" 아래에 "139개 언어 추가"라고 쓰여 있는 "..." 상자/버튼(추상: 여기에 더 있음)이 있고, 그 아래에는 "139개 언어 추가"라고 쓰여 있다.이제 그 버튼(서핑만 하는 것이 아니라)을 클릭하면 '언어 검색, 공용어 등'이라는 언어를 나열하는 팝업(?)이 나온다.내 질문은 이것이 어디에 설정되거나 유지되는가이다. -DePiep (대화) 15:09, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
MW의 일부분이다.확장:위키미디어 재단이 만드는 UniversalLanguageSelector.소스 코드는 다운로드할 수 있지만 영어 위키피디아는 코드를 변경할 수 있는 권한이 없다.특정 위키에 대해 언어 그룹을 선택하는 설정이 있는지는 모르겠지만 그렇다고 해도 개발자가 설정해야 할 것 같다.전술한 바와 같이, mw:Talk: Universal Language Selector/Design/Interlanguage 링크. mw:Universal Language Selector/Design/Internal links#Leave 피드백은 구체적으로 "토크 페이지에 피드백을 남겨주십시오"라고 말한다.프라임헌터 (대화) 15:53, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

"템플릿:플래그 이슬람 국가"

{{flag 이슬람국가}}에 들어가 수정하는 방법에 대해 조언해 주시겠습니까?이 주제에 관한 위키피디아에 관한 주요 기사는 이라크 이슬람국가(IS)와 레반트(Levant)라는 합의에 의해 알려져 있지만, 어떠한 이유나 동기에도 불구하고, 콘텐츠는 여전히 이슬람국가라는 비합치적인 이름 아래 존재하고 있다.템플릿에서 템플릿 사용량 한 가지:이라크의 반란(2011년–현재) 인포박스.이것을 해결하기 위한 어떤 도움이라도 감사할 것이다.

그레그카예 세 16:30, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

{{flag Islamic State}}"이슬람국가"가 이라크와 레반트로 연결되는 파이프 링크로 이슬람 국가를 생산하고 있어, 무슨 문제인지 잘 모르겠다. {{flag Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant}}같은 기사에 대한 미개척의 연결고리를 가진 이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트를 생산한다.{{flag}}}은(는) 파라미터에 지정된 이름을 무시하고 항상 긴 이름을 표시해야 한다는 말씀이세요?프라임헌터 (대화) 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC) 16:46, 15
바로 그렇다.단지 "이슬람국가"(비협조적 이름)만 입력하는 것에 관계없이 표시해서는 안 된다.레거시pac (대화) 16:34, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
{{flag Islamic State}}템플릿 호출:템플릿으로 리디렉션되는 국가 데이터 이슬람 국가:나라자료 이라크와 레반트의 이슬람국가."이슬람 상태" 리디렉션 삭제(템플릿:국가 데이터 이슬람 국가는 또 다른 국가)는 이러한 별칭이 사용되는 것을 막을 수 있지만 WP에서 논의되어야 한다.RFD.
기본적으로 표시되는 이름으로 지정된 첫 번째 파라미터를 사용하는 {{flag}의 대안으로 국가 데이터 템플릿 내에 지정된 표준 이름을 표시하는 {{flagcountry}}이(가) 있다. {{flagcountry Islamic State}}ISIL로 귀결된다.표시된 이름은 다음을 사용하여 재정의할 수 있다. name=두 가지 템플릿으로SiBr4 (대화) 16:56, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
(충돌 편집)@Gregkaye:이는 "이슬람 국가"가 템플릿의 별칭이기 때문에 작동한다.나라자료 이라크와 레반트의 이슬람국가(IS)와 템플릿:나라자료 이슬람국가(IS)가 그 템플릿으로 리디렉션한다.템플릿에서 별칭을 제거하면 해당 별칭을 사용하는 모든 페이지가 손상되므로 대신 사용할 수 있음{{flag Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant}}(이라크와 레반트에서 이슬람국가(IS)를 제작한다)는 내용을 바꿔야 한다.너무 길면 사용할 수 있다.{{flag ISIS}}(ISIS를 생산한다.)이름을 수동으로 지정할 수도 있으며 name=, 예:{{flag ISIS name=What was that place called again?}} (어느 제품이 생산되었나? 그곳은 뭐라고 불렸나?)템플릿의 추가 옵션 참조:플래그 Stradivarius씨♪ talk ♪ 2014년 11월 15일(UTC)

Face-smile.svg 고맙지만4, Stradivarius씨, 이 모든 것이 큰 도움이 되고 감사하다.그레그카예 17:21, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)

다른 관점에서 템플릿에 대한 도움말을 참조하십시오.나라자료 이라크와 레반트의 이슬람국가.'리디렉션 가명'에서는 'ISIL'을 추가하고 '이라크와 레반트', '이슬람국가', '이슬람국가'를 없애는 것이 정말 도움이 될 것이다.명단에서어떤 조언이라도 고마워할 것이다.그레그카예 세 01:33, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

SiBr4, Stradivarius씨, 좀 도와주겠나?그레그카예프 2014년 11월 16일 09:57 (UTC)
레거시pac은 이미 "이슬람 국가"와 "이슬람 국가" 리디렉션을 템플릿의 목록에서 삭제했다.나라자료 이라크와 레반트의 이슬람국가.그러나 실제 리디렉션은 여전히 존재한다.리디렉션 목록에서 항목을 쉽게 추가하고 제거할 수 있음: 템플릿:국가 쇼데이터/doc#Redirect 별칭.SiBr4 (대화) 10:27, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
"ISIL" 리디렉션이 이 편집과 함께 템플릿 코드에 이미 추가되었지만 템플릿의 5방향 제한:국가데이터가 초과됨.SiBr4 (대화) 10:43, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
내 의도는 그렉카예와 꼭 같다.만약 누군가가 이슬람 국가를 입력한다면 그것은 "이슬람 국가 이라크와 레반트"를 전시할 필요가 있다.나는 그것이 전혀 작동하지 않기를 바란다.이제 내가 그걸 어떻게 얻는지 이해한다면.레거시pac (대화) 16:30, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
Ping SiBr4 re: 괜찮다면 Legacypac에서 쿼리하십시오.나는 아직 별개의 문제에서 제기할 또 다른 문제가 있다.우리 두 사람은 많은 비협조적 편집에 반대해 온 사람들 중 한 명이다.그리고 이 지원은 감사할 것이다.는 방금 템플리트 기사의 사용법을 살펴보았다.국가 데이터 이슬람 국가템플릿:나라자료 이슬람국가(ISIL) 또는 이라크 이슬람국가(ISL)와 레반트로 텍스트를 변경했다.템플리트에 연결되는 사용자 페이지에서 변경하지 않았지만 템플리트의 단순 삭제도 순서가 될 수 있다.그러나 레거시pac의 제안은 가능하다면 더 바람직하다.고마워요.그레카예프 16:59, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
데이터 템플릿에 간단한 파서 함수를 추가하면 "이슬람 상태"라는 이름이 표시되는 이름이 되지 않을 수 있다. name = {{#ifeq:{{{name }}} Islamic State Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant {{{name }}}}}그래야지 name = Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 첫 와 ISIL로 표기된 하였다. name=, 다른 이름이 사용되지 않도록 방지.나는 이것들 중 하나를 사용하는 것이 좋은 생각이 될지 의심스럽다.SiBr4 (대화) 21:06, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
SiBr4, 훌륭해.이거 괜찮아?그레그카예프 2014년 11월 17일 09:12 (UTC)
다시 말해, 이름이 명시적으로 설정되더라도 ISIL이 표시된다. 예를 들어,{{flag ISIL name=Islamic State}}. SiBr4 (대화) 09:20, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

템플리트 내의 링크와 그렇지 않은 링크를 구분하기 위한 "여기에 링크된 내용"의 작업량

약 10년 전 위키백과를 편집하기 시작한 이후 내가 찾는 것 중 한 가지는 "여기에 있는 링크"의 어떤 항목이 그렇지 않은 항목들의 템플릿 링크에서 나오는 것인지 알 수 있는 능력이다.그것을 구현하는 데 자신이 무엇을 하고 있는지 아는 사람(혹은 어떤 사람)이 얼마나 걸릴지 견적서를 주시겠습니까?("그래, 나는 몇 분밖에 없어"부터 "위키 소프트웨어의 전체 코딩을 줄여야 해"까지)나랏(토크) (토크) 15:02, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

@Naraht: 최근 위키백과에 관련 내용이 보관되었다.마을 펌프(기술)/아카이브 131#여기서 무슨 링크 문제 해결?SiBr4 (대화) 21:27, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
그것은 아카이브 122의 훨씬 더 완전한 논의와 연결된다.자주 요청되는 기능(FRF) 페이지를 설정할 가치가 있는가?이 문제를 해결하기 위한 제안은 Regexp를 사용한 소스 검색이었지만, 메인스페이스의 소스 검색은 소스에 한함:알파 파이 오메가"는 내가 원하는 대부분의 일을 한다.나라흐트 (대화) 21:45, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

자동으로 링크 만들기

특정 페이지(동일한 테마의 일부여야 하는 페이지) 뒤에 어떤 페이지가 방문되는지를 분석하여 비연계 페이지를 특정 페이지로 자동 연결하는 봇의 아이디어를 가지고 있다.예:페이지 트리에 있던 많은 사람들이 식물에 대해서도 알리기 위해 페이지 식물을 방문했다.나무에는 심을 수 있는 연결고리가 없었기 때문에 그들은 그것을 검색 상자에서 찾아야만 했다.봇은 많은 사람들이 나무를 심은 후에 식물을 방문한다는 것을 인식하고, 나무의 본문에서 "식물"이라는 기존 단어를 연결로 바꿀 것이다.이것이 가능한가? --Impériale (대화) 17:32, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

그것은 가능하다.하지만 좋은 생각일까?WP 참조:오버링크 한 쪽만.자동으로 이렇게 하는 것은 설득력이 없어 보인다.만약 당신이 링크를 추가해야 한다고 생각한다면, 그것은 어떤 이유에서든 누구나 편집할 수 있는 백과사전이다.EncMstr (대화) 18:44, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
오버링킹의 문제는 봇이 가장 자주 10페이지(물론 이미 연결된 페이지를 연결하지 않음)만 추가하게 만드는 주문으로 해결될 수 있다고 생각한다.물론 링크는 우리 스스로 추가할 수도 있지만, 이 봇은 우리, 즉 저자들이 링크를 놓아야 한다는 것을 모르는 페이지에 링크를 배치할 것이다.다른 쪽에는 링크가 누락된 페이지를 보는 독자들이 많지만, 그것들은 종종 너무 동기가 없거나 어떻게 해야 할지 모르는 경우가 많다.게다가 봇은 많은 중복 작업을 할 것이고, 그만큼의 안전한 시간과 신경 때문에. --임페리얼 (대화) 22:09, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
나는 우리가 실제로 유용한 방법으로 이러한 종류의 사용자별 검색 정보를 기록할지 잘 모르겠다(그리고 tbh, 우리가 기록해야 할지 잘 모르겠다).Andrew Gray (대화) 20:07, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

야후는 곧 돌아올 것이다.

지난 10분 동안 야후 에러 메세지를 받는 데 문제가 있었던 사람 있어?위키피디아 페이지에서 편집 미리보기를 포함해서 말이야.핵심 내용은 다음과 같다.

(야후 로고) 금방 돌아올게...
양해해 주셔서 감사합니다.
우리 기술자들은 그 문제를 해결하기 위해 빠르게 일하고 있다.

EncMstr (대화) 18:48, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

위키피디아는 야후와 관계가 없다.야후 오류가 발생하면 그들의 서비스(프록시, DNS) 중 하나를 사용해야 하며, 그 중 하나는 문제가 있다. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}2014년 11월 16일 19:02(UTC)
나는 그 관계를 잘 알고 있다.그러나 내 브라우저에 심각한 문제가 있거나 일부 서버에 주입 문제가 있다.나만 그런 건지 궁금했어.EncMstr (대화) 19:28, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
이상하다.아마도 당신은 위키피디아 서버에 접속할 수 없었고 당신의 브라우저가 야후 질의에 후퇴하려고 시도했을 것이다.만약 당신이 더 파기를 원한다면, 대부분의 브라우저에는 F12 키를 사용하여 접속할 수 있는 개발자 콘솔이 있고, 당신의 브라우저가 호출하는 페이지를 알려줄 네트워크/넷 패널이 있다. -- Luk 10:26, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 사실 꽤 자주 받는다.나에겐 야후 404 검색 도우미가 야후를 위해 사용 가능하기 때문이다.도구 모음.너도 그럴 것 같아.그냥 몇 번 되받아치고 다시 해 봐.{{U 기술 13}} 18:54, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)

Google 지도 및 {{GeoGroupTemplate}}

Google에서 이 페이지를 참조하십시오. Google 지도 클래식에 대한 KML 지원이 곧 손실될 예정이므로, KML 파일은 보기 흉한 새 버전의 Google 지도에서도 호스팅할 수 없음.위키백과 대화에 대한 크로스 포스팅:위키프로젝트 지리 좌표.Nyttend (대화) 04:29, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

이것은 또한 WT에서 제기되었다.KML에 관한 USRD는 기사에 더 직접적으로 사용된다. 다른 편집자가 메타에서 이 문제를 제기했다.테크#구글 지도는 이것을 WMF의 주목을 끌기 위해 변화한다. 우리는 앞으로 이러한 논의를 한 곳에 통합해야 한다.임자디 1979 → 20:48, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

기술 뉴스: 2014-47

2014년 11월 17일 18:28(UTC)

사용된 mediawiki 안내 둘러보기 특수 페이지 로드

위키백과 어드벤처의 경우, 사용자가 등록한 후 8단계에서 게임에 복귀할 수 있도록 하는 미디어위키 코드를 사용하여 특정 URL을 로드해야 한다(The Wikipedia Adventure's tours 상단에 로드되고 있다).

전체 안내 둘러보기:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Guidedtour-tour-twa1.js

제대로 작동하는 이 URL을 로드하도록 하는 중:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup

이 코드를 사용하고 있다:

url: mw.util.getUrl( 'index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup')

URL 결과 제목이 잘못됨:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial:UserLogin%26returnto%3DWikipedia:TWA/1/Start%26returntoquery%3Dtour%253Dtwa1%2526step%253D8%2526showGettingStarted%253Dfalse%26type%3Dsignup

URL 접두사가 잘못되었기 때문에:

그 이유는 부분적으로 mw.util.getUrl이 URL 접두사를 로드하는 방법 때문이며,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/보다는https://en.wikipedia.org/w/

하지만 내가 전체 접두사를 입력한다면:

mw.util.getUrl( 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?

다음에서 시작하는 대신:

mw.util.getUrl( 'index.php

그러면 작동하지 않는 이중 URL 접두사가 추가된다.

mw.util.getUrl 또는 다른 방법으로 올바른 링크를 로드할 수 있는 방법이 있는가?아니면 내가 URL에서 볼 수 있는 작은 오류를 범하고 있는 것일까?Jake Ocaasi t c 21:10, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

. = .구성.얻다(wgServer') + .구성.얻다(wgScriptPath') + :'/index.php?title=specificable:사용자로그인&returnto=위키과:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26 showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup'; 
귀사에 도움이 될 경우:
//en.wikipedia.org+/w+/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup
==//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup
== //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Wikipedia:TWA/1/Start&returntoquery=tour%3Dtwa1%26step%3D8%26showGettingStarted%3Dfalse&type=signup
행복한 편집.{{U 기술 13} 21:30, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
  • 생각해 본 후에, 여러분은 또한&wpReason=계정이 TWA의 일부로 생성되었다는 점에 주목한 경우.나는 우리가 ACC를 통해 만들어진 계정을 추적하는데 그것을 이용한다는 것을 안다.특수용 index.php 매개 변수에 대한 도움이 필요한 경우:UserLogin, 내 ACC 사용자 설명서에 대한 스크립트 작성의 일부로 몇 가지 조사를 해봤어.내게 알려줘.:) — {{U 기술 13} 21:35, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
너 정말 유용하구나!고마워요.이건 완전히 투어 계획을 망치고 있었는데 네가 고쳤잖아!나는 또한 &wPReason의 아이디어가 마음에 드는데, 나는 그 간단한 덧셈을 조사할 것이다.베스트, Jake Ocaasi t c 22:12, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

도움말! 로그인할 수 없음

약 15시간 전부터 주기적으로 로그인을 시도했지만 로그인 페이지가 로드되지 않아 로그인을 할 수 없었다.(다른 글의 오른쪽 상단에 있는 링크를 통해 로그인하려고 하거나 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin.)에 직접 접속하려고 하면 이런 일이 발생한다.시도할 때마다 "Internet Explorer에서 웹 페이지를 표시할 수 없음"이라는 동일한 오류 메시지가 표시되는데, 일반적으로 이 오류 메시지는 DSL 연결이 중단된 경우에만 표시된다.나는 이 문제에 한번도 부딪힌 적이 없고, 다른 위키피디아 페이지들은 문제없고, 모두 제대로 로딩되고 진열되어 있다.어떤 도움이라도 미리 고마워!사용자:Cingold

이것은 위키피디아와 관련이 있을 수 있다.마을 펌프(기술)/아카이브 131#SSL 3.0 단종. --Redros64 (토크) 00:13, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
어이, 거기 - 잘 추측해봐, 레드로스.한 달 전에 있었던 일인데 로그인 문제가 마지막 날 갑자기 터져서 네가 연계된 토론을 읽고 별로 희망적이지 않았어.그러나 어쨌든 한번 해 보았는데, 그 수법을 쓴 것 같다.(하지만, 내 에러 메시지가 SSL에 대해 아무 말도 하지 않았다는 것이 이상하다.그랬으면 분명히 도움이 됐을 텐데!)그래, 네가 아주 도움이 되는 제안을 해주어서 고마워.정말 고마워!Cingold (대화) 05:46, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

Talkpage

나는 내 토크 페이지에 아카이빙을 설정하려고 했지만, 작동하지 않는다.간단한 해결책이 분명히 있을 텐데, 그게 뭔지 모르겠어.누가 좀 도와줄래?숙성된 채우기(토크) 04:02, 2014년 11월 18일(UTC)

하위 페이지에만 아카이브됨(예:key User에서 언급된 내용:MiszaBot/config가 설정됨).나는 사용자 이름을 수정했다.[3]프라임헌터 (토크) 04:10, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
Facepalm 페이스팜 글쎄, 나 자신의 사용자 이름을 제대로 입력하지 못해서 그런 것 같아!숙성된 채우기(대화) 04:11, 2014년 11월 18일(UTC)

개정 이력 통계

(이 문제를 다시 제기하고 싶지 않음)hi, 영어 위키백과의 페이지 기록에 있는 "개정 내역 통계" 링크가 다운되었으며, 언어로서 engb 또는 engb를 사용하는 사용자를 위해 "외부 도구"에 있다.[4]에 의해 만들어져서 (글쎄 열리지 않는다)로 간다.고마워--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 11:48, 2014년 11월 8일 (UTC)

지금 다시 돌아와야 한다.약 1시간 전에 고쳐졌다. --Glaisher (대화) 15:41, 2014년 11월 8일 (UTC)

수정 내역 링크,... 내 잘못이 아니야, 보고만 할 수 있어(지난달 5배)

(이 문제를 다시 제기하고 싶지 않음)hi, 영어 위키백과의 페이지 기록에 있는 "개정 내역 통계" 링크가 다운되었으며, 언어로서 engb 또는 engb를 사용하는 사용자를 위해 "외부 도구"에 있다.그것은 [5]에 의해 만들어져서 (글쎄 열리지 않을 것이다.고마워--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 13:36, 2014년 11월 11일 (UTC)

(이 문제를 다시 제기하고 싶지 않음)hi, 영어 위키백과의 페이지 기록에 있는 "개정 내역 통계" 링크가 다운되었으며, 언어로서 engb 또는 engb를 사용하는 사용자를 위해 "외부 도구"에 있다.그것은 미디어위키에 의해 만들어졌다.히스토리젠드 및 로 간다(글쎄 가끔 열리지 않는다).고마워--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 11:54, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaa:문제가 있는 경우 해당 URL/링크를 제공하십시오. --AKlapper (WMF) (토크) 17:22, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/ec/..(토크) 열리지 않으니 어떻게 말해야 할까--Ozzie10aaa (토크) 17:39, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

  • MediaWiki로 이동하는 경우:수정 내역 통계에 대한 링크를 클릭하여 내 콘솔에 다음 오류가 표시됨The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.그리고 빈 페이지.이 점이 불만 사항이 무엇인지를 명확히 하는 데 도움이 되길 바라며...{{U 기술 13}} 18:50, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)

무엇이 문제인가

https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/ec/,, 이 "역사 통계" 링크는 여전히 작동하지 않는데,(4일 현재) 내가 그것에 관심을 갖는 이유는 내가 작업하는 기사의 편집과 바이트를 추적할 수 있기 때문이다.가능하다면 고칠 수 있을 텐데, 여기 빌리지 펌프 테크니컬(잘못된 곳에 있는 내가?)에서 많이 신고했다.--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 16:10, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

자세한 설명은 위의 소... 토론을 참조하십시오.TAK(TransportMan) 16:57, 2014년 11월 18일(UTC)
@Ozzie10aaa:같은 코멘트를 반복해서 올리는 것(페이지와 헬프 데스크 등 5가지 사용자 토크로 하는 것을 본 적이 있다)은 문제가 더 빨리 사라지지는 않을 것이다.TransportMan이 언급하는 실은 이 실 바로 아래에 있으며, 이전에 이 문제에 대해 게시한 일부 장소에서도 응답이 제공되었다. --Redros64 (대화) 17:27, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

다시 한번 감사드리며--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 22:48, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

페이지가 표시되지 않음

사용자가 WP에서 보고:콜라드 그린과 같은 일부 페이지가 모바일 뷰의 일부 장치에 표시되지 않는 EAR.위키백과:편집자 보조자/요청자#Collard Greens 기사는 모바일 사이트의 aon 사용자들에게 텍스트를 보여주지 않는다.여기서 언급하는 것이 체크아웃이 되도록 하는 것이 최선이라고 생각했다. -- 다이애나 (대화) 16:49, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

좀 더 많은 정보를 제공하기 위해.나는 구글에서 [채굴녹색]을 검색한다.그것은 스크래퍼 사이트나 어떤 것이 아니라 위키피디아 기사에 대한 링크를 돌려준다.나는 링크를 클릭한다.페이지가 로드되지만 문서 텍스트가 표시되지 않음.위 게시물에는 임구르 링크가 있다(나는 정말로 여기에 링크를 다시 붙이기 위해 캡쳐와 싸우고 싶지 않다, 미안하다).나는 아이폰4s에서 iOS 7.1.2의 최신 구글 크롬을 사용하고 있다.내 캐리어는 O2를 사용하는 영국 항공사 기프가프다.내 Google Chrome은 설정 -> advanced에서 "데이터 사용 감소"를 사용하고 있으며, 이는 캐싱 프록시에 적용된 블록에 또 다른 문제를 야기한다. 82.132.214.221 (대화) 18:22, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)

음, 이건 좀 이상한데...개발 도구를 이용해 크롬에서 이슈를 복제할 수 있는 만큼 모바일 브라우저가 아닌 미디어위키 모바일 뷰(미네르바)와도 확실히 관련이 있는 것으로 보인다.또한 다양한 모바일 기기 에뮬레이터(iOS 7의 사파리, A4.4/5의 안드로이드 브라우저, WP 8.1의 IE 모바일)에서도 버그를 관찰했다.콘텐츠가 서버에서 반환되지 않음 - 응답은 200 OK이고 모든 것이 정상이지만 주요 콘텐츠 요소는 비어 있음!부록: 또한 폐쇄되지 않음 - 오프닝 <div id="content" class="content" lang="en"dir="ltr"를 받지만 해당 닫힘 태그가 없음. 2014년 11월 16일(UTC)
더욱 이상한 것은 URL 끝에 쿼리 문자열을 밀어 넣어 문제를 '수정'할 수 있다는 점이다.무슨 일이든 상관없어, 무슨 일이든 괜찮아!예를 들어, 이 링크는 버그를 표시하는 반면, 이 링크는 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collard_greens?what이 아니다.테스트를 원하는 사용자의 경우 브라우저 캐시에서 데이터가 추출되고 테스트가 오염되는 것을 방지하기 위해 새로운 '개인용' 브라우저 세션을 열어야 할 것이다.
다른 페이지들이 이렇게 하고 있는지 아십니까?레티컬레이션 스플라인(tc) 18:47, 2014년 11월 16일(UTC)
안녕, 그리고 이걸 봐줘서 고마워.나는 몇몇 기사에서 그것을 알아챘지만 그것이 무엇이었는지 기억하지 못한다.다시 보면 여기로 올게.구스타바일(그러나 로그아웃) 82.132.214.221(토크) 19:18, 2014년 11월 16일(UTC)
콜라드 그린은 지금 정상적으로 작동하는 것 같아. 다른 테스트 할 사람 있어?레티커레이션(tc) 스플라인 00:03, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
응, 나도 같이 일해.나는 몰래 브라우저에서 URL의 모바일 버전을 테스트했다.봐줘서 고마워. 82.132.239.148 (토크) 11:12, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

추가 정보는 유사한 행동에 대한 이 이전 링크를 참조하십시오. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_131#Minimal_display_in_mobile_view 나는 이전에 다른 기사에서 이러한 행동을 본 적이 있다는 것을 알고 있다.나는 칼라드 그린 기사를 보고하는 데 상당한 어려움을 겪었다.나는 이것이 i 용어 반복 버그라고 의심한다. 82.132.239.204 (대화) 19:56, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

이라크 레반트의 이슬람 국가 깃발 마우스오버 및 링크

이것은 SiBr4 Stradivarius씨의 매우 감사한 안내를 받은 위의 "Template:flag Islamic State"의 요청에 따른 것이다.또한 템플리트에서 플래그 관련 문서에 대한 링크가 작동하는 방식을 재정의할 수 있는지 궁금했다.인포박스 국가.플래그 링크가 (기사의 이름)의 플래그로 직접 가는 것으로 알고 있다.이걸 무효로 할 방법이 있을까?

해결이 가능하다면, 주요 이슬람 국가인 이라크와 레반트 페이지에 있는 깃발과 링크가 "블랙 스탠더드"와 관련된 표시보다 마우스를 더 선호할 수 있고 "블랙 스탠더드"와 같은 참조를 통해 링크가 이 페이지로 바로 연결되도록 하는 방법에 대해 조언하십시오.그 집단은 그들만의 독특한 깃발을 가지고 있지 않다.플래그는 템플릿 사용 내에서 설정된다.Infobox country와 나는 그것을 많이 보았고 캡션을 제어하는 코드 요소를 찾지 못했다.User talk에서 현재 사용되는 국기 이름의 문제를 제기하였다.워싱턴의 헤드위그는 현재 이라크와 레반트가 사용하는 국기의 이름파일명으로 잘못 표기하고 있다.일부 불완전하거나 부정확한 정보가 제공된 후 이슬람국가(IS.svg)의 깃발.바라건대 이 파일들은 곧 "이라크 이슬람 국가와 레반트가 채택한 블랙 스탠더드 변종" 또는 "ISIL이 채택한 블랙 스탠더드 변종"과 같은 것으로 명명될 것이다.도와 주셔서 감사해요.그레그카예 ✍♪♪ 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC) ping 또한 레거시pac

플래그 캡션을 제어하는 템플릿 코드는
<<td align="중앙" 스타일="=-size:85%;"{#if existance:{{{linking_name}{{common_name {{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}}}[{{linking_name {{common_name {{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}{{flag_caption Flag}}}}}] 플래그 }}}}</td.
플래그 링크에서 가장 바깥쪽인 "Flag of" 다음에 부품을 오버라이드할 수 있는 세 개의 "이름" 매개변수가 있음을 보여준다. linking_name=. The flag_caption=매개 변수는 링크 텍스트 "플래그"를 재정의한다.쉽게 추가할 수 있지만 현재 전체 링크를 변경할 수 있는 방법은 없다.SiBr4 (대화) 21:18, 2014년 11월 16일 (UTC)
SiBr4 아마도 플래그로 삽입하는 대신 캡션이 있는 이미지로 삽입할 수 있을 것이다.이것이 가능할 수 있을까.마우스를 이미지에서 사용하지 않도록 설정하여 파일 이름을 정상적으로 표시하십시오.그레그카예프 2014년 11월 17일 09:04(UTC)
마우스오버 텍스트는 플래그 링크가 사용하는 것과 동일한 "이름 플래그" 수식을 사용하며, 이를 변경하거나 생략할 수 있는 옵션도 없다.플래그 이미지와 캡션을 완전히 사용자 정의할 수 있도록 플래그 이미지와 캡션을 other_symbol=다음과 같은 필드:
other_symbol = [[File:Flag of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant.svg border 125px Black Standard variant]]
other_symbol_type = [[Black Standard]] variant

이 필드를 설정하면 모토와 국가 뒤에 infobox 아래로 더 멀리 나타난다.또는 infobox 템플릿을 변경하여 플래그에 대한 더 많은 옵션을 추가할 수 있다.SiBr4 (대화) 15:07, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트
الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام (아랍어)
Black Standard as adopted by the Islamic State or Iraq and the Levant
깃발
상태인식할 수 없는 상태
이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트
الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام (아랍어)
좌우명:باقية وتتمدد (아랍어)
애국가: 음마트슈, 콰드 라하 파히룬
블랙 스탠더드 변종
Black Standard variant adopted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
상태인식할 수 없는 상태
이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트
الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام (아랍어)
Black Standard as adopted by the Islamic State or Iraq and the Levant
깃발
상태 인식할 수 없는 상태

SiBr4, 이건 문제를 일으킬지도 몰라.나는 제안된 코드의 추가와 함께 컷다운 버전의 인포박스에 이어 컷다운 버전의 인포박스를 추가했다.얼마나 가능한지는 모르겠지만, 실용적이면 기존 인포박스에서처럼 다른 마우스를 정보 위에 올려놓으면 좋을 것 같아.

그레그카예 세르 18:00, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)

왠지 네 핑크는 더 이상 작동하지 않아.이 섹션의 앞부분도 그렇지 않았다.
플래그 캡션과 마우스오버 텍스트에 매개 변수를 추가할 수 있지만, 어떤 매개 변수를 불러야 하는가? flag_caption=이미 존재하고 캡션의 링크 텍스트에 사용되고 있다.SiBr4 (대화) 19:47, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
SiBr4 그거 좋겠다 :)
마우스오버 선호: 이라크 이슬람 국가 및 레반트에 의해 채택된 블랙 스탠다.
라벨 선호: 검은색 표준 변형
그레그카예베 23:00, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
내 말은 그런 뜻이 아니었어어쨌든 나는 a를 추가했다. flag_mouseover=템플릿으로 템플릿에 대한 매개 변수:Infobox country/sandbox2.샌드박스에서 flag_caption=현재 전체 플래그 링크가 포함된 경우 전체 플래그 링크를 대체하십시오. 링크가 말이 되는지 모르겠지만 여기서 작동하는지 확인하십시오.SiBr4 (대화) 09:33, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

SiBr4 고마워 하지만 뭔가 잘못되고 있어.원래 깃발 텍스트의 대체는 infobox의 이전 위치로서 당신이 작성한 것과 정확히 같이 텍스트를 배치한 다음, 텍스트를 infobox 정보의 끝으로 이동시킨다.어느 쪽이든 나는 "이라크와 레반트의 이슬람국가"를 여전히 읽은 마우스오버 결과와 "[이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트 블랙 스탠더드의 변종]이라고 쓰인 캡션을 받았다.

나는 그 기사의 다른 부분의 내용이 상호작용을 하는지 잘 모르겠다.이 기사는 또한 "인포박스 전쟁파"와 수입 템플릿을 사용한다.이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트의 역사.당신이 텍스트를 제자리에 설치할 수 있는 가능성이 있는가?이 페이지에서는 정말 멋져 보이지만 문맥상으로는 고치지 못하고 있다.고마워요.그레그카예 16:35, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

마우스 오버 툴팁은 브라우저마다 다르게 생성된다. 예를 들어 마우스 오버 툴팁이 올바르게 작동하도록 설정된 경우.구글 크롬, 그것은 인터넷 익스플로러에서 똑같이 작동하지 않을 수도 있다.그리고 WP와 같은 것들이 있다.마우스오버를 방해하는 것으로 알려진 POPUPS. --Redrose64 (토크) 18:15, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
더 그럴 가능성이 높은 것은 내가 샌드박스에 변화를 주었기 때문이다; 나는 실제 인포박스를 바꾸지 않았다.SiBr4 (대화) 20:01, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

템플릿 "올바르게 렌더링되지 않음"

주요 사례 페이지(Talk) - 증거(Talk) - 작업장(Talk) - 제안된 결정(Talk)

사례 담당자: TBD 제도 중재자: TBD

나는 그 암호가{{Casenav/sandbox}}"올바르게 렌더링하지 않음" 그러나 세부 정보가 제공되지 않았다.

{{Casenav/sandbox}}에 대한 해결책이다.{{Casenav}}, 매개 변수가 있는case name =완전하게 구현되지 않음 - 바로 가기, 일정 및 직원이 작동하지 않음.


두 사람의 비교는 다음과 같다.{{Casenav/testcases}}, 사례명 세트로 볼 수 있는 곳에서는 샌드박스 버전이 제대로 작동하고, 라이브 버전은 작동하지 않는다.(사례명 없이는 중재사례 페이지가 아니기 때문에 둘 다 중단된다.)

템플릿 토크의 토크 페이지에서도 동일한 비교가 이루어졌다.카세나브는 14일 동안 아무도 문제를 발견하지 못했다.

나 역시 17개 중재 사건 페이지에서 '프리뷰'로 샌드박스 템플릿을 테스트해봤고, 별다른 이슈는 보지 못했다.심지어 라이브페이지와 프리뷰를 탭바꾸기까지 했는데, 아직 차이가 없어.

누가 나에게 오류의 방향을 가리켜 줄 수 있니?

최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 02:33, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)

(변화가 되돌아가고 있다는 것을 내가 알아차렸을 때) 문제가 무엇이었습니까?또한 주 템플릿은 다수의 하위 템플릿을 사용한다.혹시 그 안에 문제가 있는 건 아닐까?러슬릭_제로 03:18, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
나는 그 문제가 무엇이었는지 모르겠다, "이제는 상자가 모순되게 렌더링한다"는 것 말고는.내가 질문을 남겼지만 그들은 대답하지 않았다.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 04:25, 2014년 11월 18일(UTC)
질문을 어디에 두셨습니까?나는 그것을 볼 수 없었다.템플릿 토크 페이지에 남겨두는 게 좋을 것 같아.일주일 내에 응답이 없으면 {{editprotected}}}을(를) 시도해 보십시오.ARBCOM 관련 물건에 대한 소유권 문제는 처음 보는 것이 아니고 다시 보게 되어 실망스럽다.— 마틴 (MSGJ · talk) 17:37, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC
나는 그 질문을 되돌린 편집자의 토크 페이지에 남겼다.나는 또한 Crosskes에게 부탁했다. 나는 너의 충고를 받아들여 템플릿의 토크 페이지에 질문을 추가할 것이다.내가 나중에 다룰 소유권 문제는 나뿐만이 아니라는 것을 확인해줘서 고마워.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 00:10, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
  • HTML5를 통과해서 HTML5를 준수하도록 만들었어. 문제가 되는 나쁜 코드 조각일 수도 있으니까 말이야.최신 Firefox의 Win7 기계와 Firefox의 안드로이드 폰에서도 찾을 수 있을 것 같다.어떤 문제라도 기꺼이 해결하겠지만, 다른 사람들에게 제대로 전달되지 않는 것에 대해서는 좀 더 자세한 정보가 필요할 것 같다.{{U 기술 13}} 00:43, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)

AT&에 로그인할 수 없음T

bugzilla 보고서를 참조하십시오.간단히 말해서, 나는 내 목적의 모든 가능성을 없앴고 사우스 캐롤라이나의 다른 AT&T 가입자들 역시 뒤쳐지고 있다.나는 더 이상 bugzilla에 다시 로그인할 수 없지만, 메인 페이지에서 로그인을 시도하면 다음과 같은 시간이 걸린다.

  • 오류를 표시하기 3초 전, 다시 로드하는 데 7초가 더 걸리고,
  • "load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=ext.uls.nojs ext.visualEditor.ViewPageTarget.nscript ext.위키히에로,위키미디아배드온리=스타일&스킨=벡터&*"
  • "load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=en&modules=nonly=load&skin=skin=vector&*"를 로드하는 데 46초가 소요됨
  • load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery.makeCollapable mediawiki.special.userlogin.common.js&skin=vector&version=20141119T150924Z&*"
  • 0.6초 동안 "checkLoggedIn?type=script&wikiid=enwiki&proto=https&return=1&returnTo=Main+Page"를 로드하십시오.

로그인 페이지도 잘못 로드되어 텍스트와 하이퍼링크, 로그인 필드만 표시됨.나는 이제 형편없는 키보드가 있는 스프린트 폰에서만 위키미디아 기반 사이트에 접속할 수 있어, 누군가 이것을 버질라 보고서에 전달해 줄 수 있다면, 나는 정말 기쁠 거야.Ian.thomson (대화) 16:38, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)

여보, 오늘은 "다른 책상에 가서 불평하라"는 게임을 하는 거지?다른 사람들은 여전히 여기서 당신을 도울 수 있을지 모르지만, 나는 또한 당신을 #위키메디아connect 테크놀로지로 옮기고 싶다. 특히 당신이 영향을 받은 유일한 사람이 아니라는 것을 나타내기 때문이다.다양한 장소를 보내서 정말 미안해.Martijn Hoekstra (대화) 17:00, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
그렇게 하려는 시도는 "irc.freenode"라는 메시지만 얻을 수 있다.net: 종료됨".Ian.thomson (대화) 17:14, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
잠기는 것은 멈췄지만 여전히 뒤처져 있다(이 사이트와 버질라).위키미디어(비 위키미디어 사이트는 아님)사우스캐롤라이나에서 AT&T가 위키미디어 사이트를 다루는 것은 분명 문제일 것이다.Ian.thomson (대화) 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
잠깐, 아니, 다시 잠길 정도로 늦기 시작했어.게시할 때마다 브라우저를 다시 시작하고 게시물을 만드는 위치로 바로 이동하면 게시물을 올릴 수 있다.Ian.thomson (대화) 19:39, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)

infobox 국가에서 "인볼딩" 또는 "정상화" 매개 변수 정보

행정중심시리아 아르라카(사실상 수도)
가장 큰 도시이라크 모술

나는 이라크와 레반트와 관련된 또 다른 질문이 있다.죄송합니다만, 이번 사건에는 합법적인 단체와 관련하여 관련성이 있는 위키백과 시설을 이용하는 기사와 함께 합법성이 없는 단체가 있어 상황이 까다로워지고 있다.탄식하다

영토에 대한 법적 권리나 인정된 권리가 없는 집단으로서 그것은 자본을 가질 수 없다.문제는 행정중심지는 평상시처럼, 가장 큰 도시는 다음과 같이 과감하게 제시된다는 점이다.

행정센터를 과감하게, 아니면 두 번째 옵션으로 가장 큰 도시를 정상으로 제시할 수 있는가?

고마워 그레카예 17:10, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)

응 -{{Infobox country}}가 있다capital_type 매개 변수임의의 문자열을 할당할 수 있으며, 이 문자열을 Infobox의 Capital 대신 사용할 수 있다.레티커레이션(tc) 스플라인 21:29, 2014년 11월 19일(UTC)
레티컬레이션 스플라인 고마워 그레그카예 03:39, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

전폐

현재 금지된 한 편집자는 이라크 이슬람국가(IS)와 레반트(Levant) 페이지전폐를 설정했으며 사람들은 그 길이를 바꾸기를 원한다는 데 의견을 같이했다.

(내 말) 전폐를 고정하는 기사 텍스트는 {{:이라크의 이슬람 국가 및 레반트 사건 연대표} 그러나 가 템플리트를 찾아봤을 때:이라크의 이슬람국가 연대표와 레반트 사건만 내가 얻은 건 페이지를 만들 수 있는 선택사항이었다.나는 더 이상 내가 처리해야 할 전횡이 없기를 바라지만, 이 전단에 대한 설정을 어떻게 변경해야 하는지에 대한 지시에는 감사할 것이다.현재 15일 분량의 텍스트가 전시될 예정이다.개발을 보면 쉽게 바꿀 수 있다면 5일을 목표로 할 것이다.그렇지 않으면 7일이 이전의 결정에 적용된다.또한 타임라인 기사는 현재 요청하고 있는 이동 절차라서 변경이 생기면 나도 변경해야 할 것 같아.

관련 토론:대화:이라크 이슬람국가와 레반트#프로포세스가 주요 기사에서 시간표 폐기

그렉카예 고마워 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

첫 번째 곱슬 괄호 바로 뒤에 있는 결장(colon){{:...)는 템플릿이 아니라 메인스페이스 페이지가 변환되고 있음을 나타낸다.코드{{:Timeline of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant events}}템플리트를 변환하지 않음:이라크 이슬람국가(IS) 레반트(Levant) 행사 연대표, 그러나 이라크 이슬람국가 연대표와 레반트(Levant) 행사 연대표.WP 참조:TRANS#기본 구문 점 2.SiBr4 (대화) 13:32, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
(충돌 편집)인과 같은 결장이 있는 곳{{:Timeline of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant events}} 경우에는 이라크의 이슬람국가 타임라인과 레반트 사건을 망라한다.그 기사는 다음과 같은 내용으로 포장되어 있다.<onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude>그래서 그 내용만 망각된다.이를 위한 보다 다용도적인 방법은 라벨이 부착된 섹션 전폐를 사용하는 것이다. -- Gadget850 talk 13:37, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
SiBr4, Gadget850 고마워 나는 이 모든 것을 ISIL 페이지에서 올릴 것이다.잘 해결했어!Face-smile.svg 그레그카예 16:19, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

502 잘못된 게이트웨이: nginx/1.1.19

위키백과에 대한 Wikilink 클릭:Requests_for_adminship/Northama1000_2, "nginx/1.1.19"라는 오류 페이지가 포함된 "502 Bad Gateway" 오류가 방금 표시되었다.나는 최근에 이것을 산발적으로 보아왔지만 대체로 무시해 왔다.그 오류는 재현할 수 없으며 동일한 링크 순간들을 클릭하는 것은 나중에 잘 되었다.웹 검색에 따르면 이 "nginx/1.1.19" 오류는 16진수 포맷 문제가 있는 Windows 서버와 관련이 있을 수 있다.다음에 이 문제에 부딪히면 더 나은 오류 보고를 위해 어떤 조치를 취할 수 있는지 아는 사람?제이슨 퀸 (토크) 21:50, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

침입이 적은 비디오 플레이어 아이콘

여기서 다시 게시:[6](Wikipedia:Village pump(아이디어 랩)/Archive 15#Archive 침입형 비디오 플레이어 아이콘) 이전에는 비디오가 되는 것 외에도 비디오가 독립형 일러스트로서 기능할 수 있어 특히 썸네일을 수동으로 선택할 때 더욱 유용해졌다.예를 들어, 유명한 이미지와 이벤트 비디오를 모두 볼 수 있는 곳[7]을 참조하십시오.그러나 웬일인지 선수 아이콘은 엄지손가락을 많이 가리는 등 크고 어두워졌다.나는 위에 언급된 이유로 이전 버전이 훨씬 더 유용했다고 생각한다.아이콘의 축소판 그림이 거의 파괴되는 여기도[8]을 참조하십시오.

아마도 그 아이콘은 가운데를 때리는 대신 엄지손가락의 한 귀퉁이로 옮겨질 수 있을까?그리고 더 작아져야 한다.아니면 썸네일에 따라 아이콘을 어둡거나 밝게 만드는 매개 변수가 있을 수 있기 때문에 그 주위에 크고 어두운 막대가 있어야 식별할 수 있는 것이 아닐까?아니면 플레이 아이콘이 캡션 필드로 이동될 수 있는가?아마도 비디오는 소리처럼 그들만의 창문이 있어야 할 것이다. 예를 들어 여기를 보라.[9] 그런 선수바, 엄지손가락을 딛고 있는 것이 훨씬 더 유용할 텐데, 내가 정확히 기억한다면, 처음에는 이렇게 보였다고 생각한다.펑크몽크 (토크) 10:53, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)

어떤 문제를 해결하려고 하십니까?동영상의 축소판 그림이 더 잘 인식되어야 한다고 생각하십니까?그리고 표시된 이미지가 실제로 이미지일 뿐만 아니라 볼 수 있는 비디오라는 것을 사용자들이 깨닫도록 돕는 것보다 더 중요한가? --Malyacko (talk) 11:40, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
이 작업을 수행하려면 mw:TimedMediaHandler 코드 및 수정 시작토론하는 것은 아마도 우리에게 큰 도움이 되지 않을 것이다.—DJ (대화기여) 11:44, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
문제는 현재 있는 그대로의 아이콘이 축소판 그림을 독립형 이미지로 사용하는 것을 방지한다는 점이다.전에도 그런 식으로 작동한 적이 있는데, 왜 그것이 사용자들의 플레이를 더 어렵게 만들는지 모르겠고, 이미지를 흐리지 않고 명확해질 수 있는 몇 가지 방법도 제안했다.코드 변경에 대해서는 공감대를 얻는 게 좋을 것 같아서 프로그래머가 아니다.펑크몽크 (토크) 11:47, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
4,5년 전만 해도...그것이 프로젝트의 수명의 1/3이다.이와 같은 것을 바꾸는 것에 대해서는, 그것을 하기 위해서는 프로그래머가 필요한데, 그것은 위키피디아의 토론 능력(단지 나의 불만스러운 의견 :P)이 아니라 가장 무서운 자원인 것 같다.내 개인적인 의견은 썸네일의 모서리에 있는 작은 카메라 아이콘일 것이다. 그리고 당신이 썸네일을 누를 때 재생 버튼을 보여준다.하지만 그건 데스크탑일 뿐이고, 터치 스크린에서는 항상 내가 지금 보는 것을 보고 싶어 한다.—DJ (대화기여) 16:18, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
그래, 네가 제안하는 건 좋아, 파일을 더 유용하게 만드는 건 뭐든지 괜찮아.문제는 비디오 파일이 너무 많은 공간을 차지하고 그 위에 완전히 쓰레기처럼 보이기 때문에 많은 사람들이 비디오 파일을 사용하지 않는다는 것이다. 그래서 사람들은 대신 이미지를 사용한다.만약 비디오가 이미지로도 사용될 수 있다면, 그것들은 단순히 더 유용할 것이다.펑크몽크 (토크) 16:56, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
TheDJ의 제안이 시작하기에 좋은 장소라는 것에 동의하지만, 이 문제를 해결하기 위한 진정한 장애물은 "still image" 썸네일 컨테이너를 "motion video" 파일로 시작하는 아이디어로 거슬러 올라간다고 생각한다.다시 말하지만, 단지 "모션 비디오" 사례만을 위해 그런 것을 개발하는 것은 프로그래머들로부터 상당한 관심을 필요로 할 것이다. -- 조지 오웰 III (토크) 23:56, 2014년 11월 12일 (UTC)
예전엔 그랬나봐.그리고 현재 일부 오디오 파일에 사용되는 것을 재사용하는 것이 일반 이미지 용기보다 더 나을 것이다.펑크몽크 (토크) 09:22, 2014년 11월 13일 (UTC)

나는 단지 이것이 가능하면 줄에 서야 할 훌륭한 아이디어라고 말하고 싶었다.나는 TheDJ가 제안한 폼팩터 - 중앙에 플레이 버튼이 있는 구석에 있는 작은 카메라 아이콘을 좋아한다.터치 스크린을 통해, 나는 거대한 놀이 단추가 정말로 잘 작동하지 않는 것 같은 느낌이 든다 - 그것은 썸네일 이미지를 완전히 흐리게 하고, 일반적으로 프레임 안에 있는 것을 선명하게 보기 위해 버튼을 눌러야 한다.나는 사람들이 일반적으로 "재생" 버튼이나 구석에 카메라 버튼이 있다면, 이것은 비디오의 썸네일이라는 것을 알아차릴 만큼 충분히 똑똑하다고 생각한다.0x0077BE 16:13, 2014년 11월 14일(UTC)

  • 이것은 또한 멀티미디어 메일링 리스트에서도 논의되었고, 그것을 왼쪽 하단 모서리로 옮기는 것은 아마도 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30016007에서 볼 수 있는 것과 비슷한 스타일로 광범위하게 동의할 것으로 보인다 - 이것은 아마도 SMOP일 것이고, 나는 이 노트/노트들을 모으기 위해 bugzilla:73438을 지금 신청했다."패치를 환영해!"라고 그들이 말하는 대로.Quiddity (토크) 22:10, 2014년 11월 14일 (UTC)
고마워, 결과적으로 비디오가 더 널리 쓰일 거야.그것들은 동물 면에서는 꽤 유용하지만, 많은 사람들은 위에서 설명한 이유로 그것들을 사용하지 않는다.펑크몽크 (토크) 12:39, 2014년 11월 15일 (UTC)
패치가 제출됨. 오버레이를 이동하여 작은 비디오의 크기를 자동으로 조정할 수 있음.레티컬레이션 스플라인(tc) 23:52, 2014년 11월 16일(UTC)
(코드 리뷰의 코멘트에 근거하여) en:wp에서 로컬로 CSS를 통해 처리하는 것이 더 나을 것 같다 - MediaWiki_talk:common.css.레티컬레이션 스플라인(tc) 20:10, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
토크 페이지에서 다음에 대한 요청common.css . 스플라인(tc) 00:40, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)

관리자 및 CSS 전문가에게 감사 인사common.css 면담을 하다레티컬레이션 스플라인(tc) 20:31, 2014년 11월 19일(UTC)

고마워, 이제 멋져 보여!펑크몽크 (대화) 22:34, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

복잡한 템플릿 대체

템플릿 Subst:조건문 마크업과 다른 크러드 뒤에 남겨진 이 편집에서 내가 만든 항목.템플릿 대신 사용할 수 있는 방법이 없을까?Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy와 대화; Andy가 편집한 2014년 11월 19일(UTC)

내가 알기로는 수동조치 외에는 아무것도 없다.하지만 내가 모르는이 꽤 많고, 어떤 종류의 심층/재귀적 대체 메커니즘이 유용할 것이라는 데 동의하기 때문에, 나는 듣고 있다.Martijn Hoekstra (대화) 16:33, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
템플릿에서 모든 변경 사항{{#if:{{{{{ safesubst:}}}#if:그리고 #switch를 위해 비슷한 일을 한 다음 변전할 때 더 깔끔해질 것이다. -- WOSlinker (대화) 16:40, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
복사 및 붙여넣기를 할 의향이 있는 경우 Special:확장템플릿.그렇지 않으면 템플릿 코드를 변경해야 하며, 추가해야 함{{{ safesubst:}}}또는<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly> 모든 템플릿 및 파서 함수 시작(두 배의 곱슬 브레이스가 있는 경우). Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 21:55, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)
고맙지만, 그렇게 되면 나는 첫 번째 줄에 대한 이야기를 하게 된다.<table class="infobox geography vcard" style="width:22em;width:23em">, 다소 원하는 것을 태우다.{{Infobox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy와 대화: Andy가 편집한 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
또한 하위 템플릿인 경우 하위 템플릿과 파서 기능이 더 이상 없을 때까지 하위 템플릿, 저장, 하위 템플릿, 저장, 반복해야 할 수 있다.{{U 기술 13}} 22:27, 2014년 11월 19일(UTC)

감사합니다, 여러분.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy와 대화: Andy가 편집한 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)

템플릿의 "Allegiance to" 매개 변수:인포박스 전쟁파

미안하지만 이것은 이라크와 레반트와 관련된 또 다른 질문이다.그것은 ISIL에 충성을 선언했지만 그 그룹의 일부분으로 표시된 안사르 미끼 알-마크디스 같은 그룹과 관련이 있는데, 이는 사실을 과대 포장한 것처럼 보이지만 그들은 여전히 동맹국 이상이다."Allegiance to"와 같은 것을 추가할 수 있는가?고마워 그레카예 07:22, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

이걸 해결할 방법이 없을까?그렇지 않으면 대체 템플릿을 찾아야 할 수도 있다.그레그카예 세 10:53, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
"어려움" 같은 것을 옵션으로 추가하면 충분히 쉬울 것이다.그게 효과가 있을 것 같니?만약 그렇다면 ping을 해주면 인포박스 코드에 추가하겠다.Chris Cunningham (사용자:thumperward)(대화) 11:11, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) TY, 그것은 확실히 각인되어 있고, 현재 상황보다 더 낫지만, 그 상황은 매우 구체적인 아랍어 약속이 이루어지고 있다."Allegiance to"가 더 정확할 것이다.나는 제휴가 다른 상황에서 다른 그룹과 관련이 있을 것이라고 확신한다.그레그카예셀 12:39, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
완료, 사용 allegianceto = . Chris Cunningham (사용자:thumperward)(대화) 13:43, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg 고마워 크리스, 넌 스타야.이것은 진정한 도움이며 매우 감사한 일이다, 그레그카예 ✍. 18:42, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

정말 이상한 벌레:초기 문자 H 누락

오늘 정말 이상한 곤충을 만났어.글자 H로 시작하는 모든 기사에는 제목에 H가 빠져 있다.대신 그 자리가 비어 있다.이것은 내가 내 컴퓨터에서 테스트한 모든 브라우저에서 발생하지만 내 휴대폰이나 동료의 컴퓨터에서는 발생하지 않는다.왜 이런 일이 일어나는지 아는 사람 있어?


Wikipedia title letter H bug.png

--Shandristhe azylean 08:25, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

난 기술적이진 않지만 네 동료들처럼, 여기 있어.나는 성공적으로 하마를 탐색기 11에 싣기 위해 윈도우 7을 시도해 보았다.Chrome38.02125.1111(2014) 및 2014년 버전의 Firefox.그레그카예베데프 10:23, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
@Shandris:바이러스 검사기를 실행해 보십시오. --Redros64 (대화) 11:45, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
그것 참 신선할 정도로 이상하네.어떤 것은 아마도 당신의 시스템이나 계정 중 하나일 것이다.로그인 시와 로그아웃 시 모두 발생하는지 확인해 주시겠습니까?로그인만 되면 개인 스타일시트/j와 관련이 있고, 그렇지 않으면 시스템과 관련이 있다.우리는 거기서부터 시도하고 최소화할 수 있다.Martijn Hoekstra (대화) 11:48, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
홀수(파일 > 대부분의 브라우저와 같이 페이지 저장)가 보이는 페이지 중 하나의 복사본을 저장하여 어딘가에 업로드해 주시겠습니까?파일 내에서 원시 HTML을 복사하여 PasteBin과 같은 것으로 붙여넣는 것이 이상적일 것이다.레티컬레이션 스플라인(tc) 12:18, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
내가 조사를 좀 해봤는데, 위키백과 - 리눅스 리버틴의 제목에 사용되는 글꼴과 관련이 있는 것 같다.이상하긴 한데, 내가 사용하는 브라우저에 상관없이 내 컴퓨터에서만 일어나는 것 같아.@ Redrose64 바이러스와상관없는 것 같아,내컴퓨터는 잘 작동해. Shandristheazylean 12:24, 2014년 11월 20일(CoordinatedUniversalTime).
아마도 당신의 컴퓨터에 그 글꼴의 "H"가 부족했을 것이다!더 심각한 것은, 비록 당신의 컴퓨터가 수십 개의 바이러스를 가지고도 보통 "괜찮게" 실행되는 것처럼 보일지라도, 나는 그것이 바이러스와 관련된 것인지 의심스럽다.
해당 글꼴을 설치/제거하면 문제가 사라지십니까?최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
많은 컴퓨터 바이러스들이 있다; 그 숫자는 20년 전보다 1000개가 더 많이 지나갔다.그들의 영향은 다양하다; 어떤 것들은 단지 한 종류의 프로그램만을 목표로 하고, 어떤 것들은 부패하기 위한 데이터를 찾는다.브라우저의 페이지 렌더러가 검색하는 위치에 자신을 연결하기로 결정한 경우일 수 있음<h1>...</h1>첫 번째 문자가 "H"인 요소들 그리고 그것들을 막는다. --Redrose64 (토크) 15:08, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
Linux Libertine은 우리가 h1 요소에 대해 정의한 첫 번째 글꼴이다.컴퓨터에 설치된 경우 렌더링에 사용되는 글꼴이 그것이다.그렇지 않다면 다음 글꼴을 줄에 넣어야 하는데, 바로 조지아 입니다.어떤 글꼴이 실제로 사용되는지 확인하는 가장 쉬운 방법은 크롬으로 표시된 다음, 제목 요소의 요소를 검사한 다음, 선택한 오른쪽 아래 창의 계산된 창에서 아래로 스크롤하여 "렌더링된 글꼴"을 확인하십시오.브라우저가 실제로 표시하는 데 사용하는 글꼴이 표시됨.Linux Libertine인데, 다른 폰트를 사용하지 않는다면, 나는 그것을 제거하는 것을 추천한다. 분명히 거기에는 파손된 부분이 있다.그 폰트를 어디서 구했는지 기억한다면 알아두는 게 좋을 거야.번식을 해서 실제 버그가 있는 곳(아마 글꼴 포장이지만 확실하게 말할 수는 없다)에 버그를 신고하고 싶다.Martijn Hoekstra (대화) 15:46, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
그것은 조지아(시험할 필요 없음)이다.내 첫 번째 생각은 아마도 당신의 조지아 글꼴이 손상되었거나 올바르게 렌더링되지 않은 것 같다.이거 윈도우 7이니?다이렉트Write라는 성분이 있는데 버그가 있을 수 있다. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}16:21, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
옵티컬 폰트 인식은 잘 못해봤어 OP를 살려줘서 고마워Shandris, 자본 H는 모든 h1 요소에서 사라지는가, 아니면 단지 첫 번째 요소에서 사라지는가? (우연한 사고로 그러한 요소들 중 하나가 있는 내 사용자 페이지에서 확인할 수 있다.)Martijn Hoekstra (대화) 16:46, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
  • FireFox 또는 Chrome에서 요소를 마우스 오른쪽 버튼으로 클릭하고 요소를 검사한 다음 전체 요소를 복사하십시오.<h1>...</h1>태그? 또한 아래 섹션의 스크린샷을 오염되지 않은 상태로 캡처해 주시겠습니까?
이 섹션의 내용을 보려면 프로그램 클릭


이동 위치: /temp

나는 그들 중 많은 사람들이 아무런 변화도 보이지 않을 것이라고 예상하지만, 어떤 것이 영향을 받는지를 보는 것은 나에게 유용할 것이다.또한, 마지막으로, 나는 당신의 컴퓨터가 치과의사에 의해 감염되었다고 생각한다. 치과의사는 당신의 H를 컴퓨터에 모든 H를 차지하며 AHHHHH!라고 말하며 그녀의 행복을 유지하려고 노력한다.{{U 기술 13} 16:42, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)

The= H1 =이 접을 수 있는 섹션의 상단에 페이지의 TOC 나사가 있다.이 접이식 섹션의 모든 데모 헤딩은 보관봇을 혼동하게 될 것이다. 보관봇은 이전, 아마도 그 다음 부분을 차지하지만 중간 부분을 남겨둘 것이다. --Redros64 (대화) 22:51, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

관련 마크를 하위 페이지로 이동했다.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Andy와 대화; Andy가 편집한 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
내가 문제를 해결했어!내 조지아 글꼴이 부패한 것 같다.또한, TTF 파일을 열었을 때, 모든 글자들은 Arial 글꼴 스타일로 보였다.나는 내 폰트 파일을 동료들과 비교했고, 날짜와 파일 크기는 심지어 바이트까지 똑같았다.어쨌든, 그는 내가 나의 타락한 것으로 대체한 그의 버전을 나에게 보냈고 이제 나는 나의 수도 H를 다시 볼 수 있다!조언에 기여해주신 모든 분들께 감사드린다. --Shandristhe azylean 09:57, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

ogv 파일의 미리 보기 이미지를 변경할 수 있는가?

어색한 눈 감은 이미지로 대통령을 사로잡는 File:20090124 WeeklyAddress.ogv를 살펴보십시오.미리보기 이미지로 선택한 파일의 프레임을 변경하거나 선택할 수 있는 방법이 있는가?Tarc (대화) 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

어떤 대통령?최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
케냐의 대통령. --NE2 23:08, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
비 스나키 입력은?Tarc (대화) 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
를 들어, 어떻게 표시하는지 알아내고 이 링크를 클릭하면 오그브에 연결된다.MV가 클릭 가능한 이미지를 망쳤는지 모르겠어.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 22:17, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
  • 기사에는 물론 썸타임=0:00이 있지만 파일 페이지 자체에 어떤 효과가 있을지 모른다.나는 오바마 페이지를 바꿨다.[10] 얼마든지 더 수정하십시오.펑크몽크 (토크) 22:23, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
그래, 적어도 기사 정도는 될 거야, 고마워.Tarc (대화) 17:26, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

Bio intros의 아랍어 및 히브리어 스타일 이름

바이오 기사의 문단에서 아랍어와 히브리어의 이름을 중심으로 편집하는 방법은 편집이 엉망이 되지 않고 편집하는 방법이 있을까?예를 들어, 1925년에 타자를 치려고 할 때, 19는 아랍어 및/또는 히브리어 이름 앞에 붙게 된다.GoodDay (토크) 00:24, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

MOS:RTL이 너의 문제를 해결하니?그렇지 않은 경우 특정 기사를 링크하고 해당 기사에서 수행하려고 하는 작업을 말하십시오.프라임헌터 (대화) 00:48, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
내 경험으로 볼 때, 함께 일하는 것은 단지 골칫거리일 뿐이지만, 결국 당신은 거기에 도달할 수 있다.나는 그것이 "어떻게" 하는 것이 아니라는 것을 알지만 그것을 부드러운 격려로 여긴다.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 01:01, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
또 다른 대안은 아랍어 또는 그 문제에 대한 모든 rtl 언어를 다음 언어로 포장하는 것이다.<bdi>...</bdi>, html은 명시적으로 rtl을 ltr로부터 격리하도록 설계되었다.사용 고려:lang="xx"어디에"xx"ISO639-1 언어 코드(ar아랍어로는he히브리어 등의 용어로.
스승(대화) 01:11, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
RTL 텍스트로 글을 쓸 때, 나는 다음과 같은 일을 하는 경향이 있다."1925년생 John Doe(rtl)는 a..." 이렇게 하면 rtl을 삭제하고 RTL 이름을 복사/붙여 괄호 안에 넣는다.또는 괄호를 쓰고, 안에 이름을 쓰고, 괄호를 삭제하면 된다.어느 방법이나 괄호는 RTL과 LTR의 경계 역할을 할 수 있다.Nyttend (대화) 01:14, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
좀 헷갈리네이런 아랍어/히브루어 이름들을 마주쳤을 때 '편집선'이 반대 방향으로 갈 때 처럼요.굿데이 (토크) 01:18, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
{{lang-ar}}은(는) 좌우 표시를 포함한다. -- Gadget850 talk 15:31, 2014년 11월 21일(UTC)

텍스트 덮기 표

마리아에게 뭔가 문제가 있어_테레사, 그리고 난 문제를 찾지 못했어.

섹션 7.1(섹션 번호 매김이 없는 경우 문제라고도 함)은 여러 섹션을 포괄한다.섹션 12의 꼬리 끝이 보이면 13(Ancestry)

내가 보기엔 딱 두 개만 열려 있는 것 같은데, 한 개만 빼려고 했는데 별로 소용이 없었어.

탁자 위의 숨기기 버튼은 아무 것도 할 수 없는 것 같아.

크롬과 모질라에 있는 데스크톱에서 살펴봤는데, 같은 이슈였죠.

생각은 없나?--S 필브릭(토크) 17:54, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

내가 고쳤다.향후 참조를 위해: WP:NAVFRAME(그러나 여기서 NavFrame이 약간 남용된다는 점에 유의한다.) -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}2014년 11월 21일, 19:46(UTC)
고맙다, 좋아 보인다.우리한테 알려준 독자에게 정보를 전달하겠어.--S 필브릭(Talk) 21:28, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

인용 형식 RfC

– 다른 곳에서 관련 논의를 위한 포인터.

대화:아스프로몬테염소#WP 범위에 관한 RfC 인용 형식에 관한 RFC:CITEVAR 및 올바른 XML을 포함한 참조 인용문의 기본 기술 코딩 변경 및 문제 있는 참조 ID 변경을 방지하는 데 사용할 수 있는지 여부 — SMcCandlish ¢ ʌ ⱷ ҅ ҅ʌ҅≼҅ 19:48, 2014년 11월 21일(UTC)

미디어 뷰어 업데이트: 마지막 개선 사항

이제 미디어 뷰어는 이미지 바로 아래에 캡션을 보여준다.

안녕하십니까: 저희 멀티미디어 팀이 커뮤니티 피드백을 바탕으로 미디어 뷰어에 대한 요청된 모든 '필수' 개선 작업을 완료했음을 알려드리게 되어 기쁘게 생각한다.

다음은 모든 위키백과 및 자매 프로젝트에서 개발 및 릴리스된 새로운 기능:

이러한 개선사항은 현재 모든 위키미디어 호스팅 사이트에서 실시간으로 제공되고 있다.당신은 이 'Featured pictures' 페이지에서 그것들을 시험해 볼 수 있다.

이러한 기능은 최근 커뮤니티 상담 및 지속적인 사용자 연구로부터 가장 빈번한 요청을 기반으로 한다.미디어 뷰어의 주요 대상 사용자인 독자와 캐주얼 편집자에게 더 나은 경험을 제공하는지 확인하기 위해 사용적합성 연구의 최종 라운드를 진행하고 있다.

이러한 개선을 제안한 모든 공동체 구성원들 덕분이다!당신의 피드백은 매우 소중했고 우리가 함께 더 나은 제품을 만드는 데 도움이 되었다.:)

미디어 뷰어 대화 페이지에서 어떻게 생각하는지 알려주십시오.우리는 우리의 연구 결과를 공유하기 위해 12월에 한 가지 업데이트를 더 올릴 것이다.안부 전합니다Fabrice Florin (WMF) (토크) 02:44, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

섹션 앵커의 위/아래 및 홈/엔드 문제

예를 들어, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Archives_(United_Kingdom)#Forgeries_discovered_in_2005을 보면, 페이지 업은 페이지 다운/엔드 역할을 할 수 있고, 페이지 다운은 페이지 업 역할을 할 수 있다.주문 효과가 있어 페이지 상단이나 하단 부분에 '포장'할 수 있다.홈 앤 엔드(Home and End)는 기껏해야 응답하지 않거나(이 캐럿을 "이 페이지는 2014년 11월 22일 16:07에서 마지막으로 수정됨"의 시작 부분으로 이동하거나 페이지의 다른 줄에서 "내비게이션"으로 이동) 예측할 수 없다.

최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 16:21, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

네비게이션 키의 효과는 위키피디아가 아닌 브라우저에 의해 제어된다.내 파이어폭스에서는 키가 그 페이지에서 예상대로 작동한다.Shift/Ctrl/Alt와 같은 제어 키를 누르거나 컴퓨터에서 어떤 이유로 누른 것으로 등록하면 탐색 키에 영향을 줄 수 있지만 결과는 브라우저에 따라 달라진다.프라임헌터 (토크) 17:06, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

이상한 사용자 페이지 보기 통계

지난 며칠 동안 많은 사용자 페이지(모두?)가 비정상적인 보기 통계를 얻고 있다.[11][12][13][14][15][16].내가 틀릴 수도 있지만, 스파이크의 크기는 페이지 감시자의 수와 일치하거나 개수를 편집하는 것 같다.별일 아닙니다.무슨 일인지 아는 사람이 있는지 궁금하기만 하면 돼. --Anthonyhcole (대화 · 기여 · 이메일) 13:17, 2014년 11월 19일 (UTC)

이것이 6월에 논의되었던 버그와 관련이 있는지 확실하지 않다.저것은 아직 해결되지 않은 것 같다; 나는 10월부터 몇몇 기사에 대한 엄청난 스파이크를 보고 있다.[17][18][19]사용자:Ironholds는 우리에게 그 문제에 대한 최신 정보를 줄 수 있을 것이다. --Paul_012 (대화) 15:15, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
그것은 그것을 막을 수 있는 메커니즘이 없다는 점에서 해결되지 않았다. 물론, 우리는 무슨 일이 일어났는지 안다.그러나 이 스파이크들은 상대적으로 작아서 조사할 가치가 없을 것이다.Ironholds (대화) 17:54, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
콩을 밟지 않고 무슨 일이 있었는지 말해줄 수 있어?HHHIPO 20:09, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

서러스 검색

검색에 많은 문제가 있음:

검색 중 오류가 발생함: 현재 검색이 너무 사용 중임.나중에 다시 시도해 주십시오.

이건 뒤로 밀릴 필요가 있을까?최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 22:10, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

나는 수영장 줄에 차가 좀 막히는 것을 보고 있다.이 오류들의 좋은 점은 그것들이 일시적이고 파도 속에서만 나타나는 경향이 있다는 것이다...메시지에서 말하는 대로 언제든지 다시 시도할 수 있다.이 모든 것은, 오류가 좋지 않고 우리는 아마도 대기열 크기를 더 조정할 수 있을 것이다. (fwww, MWSearch에서도 이런 일이 벌어지곤 했는데, 얼마나 흔한 일인지 생각해 보지도 못했다니 놀랍다.)BZ/Phabricator는 현재 마이그레이션이 중단되어 있지만, 나는 월요일 이것을 더 자세히 살펴본다는 과제를 접수할 것이다.^데몬[omg plz] 17:40, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
나도 방금 이것 좀 봤어.좋은 소식은 문제가 파도에 밀려오고 당신이 본 파도는 최악이라는 것이다.나쁜 소식은 그것이 전혀 일어나지 않는다는 것이다.네가 이 메시지를 올리기 바로 전에 부하가 급증하는 것을 봤지만, 로그에는 흥미가 없다.부하 급증은 이미 오래전 일이라서 얼마나 긴지 정확성을 잃었지만 만약 우리가 22:06에서 22:09 UTC까지 이 오류를 처리하는 것과 일치한다고 추측해야 한다면.나는 이것이 롤백이라고 생각하지 않는다. 왜냐하면 우리는 예전 시스템에서도 이런 것들을 보는 것에 익숙하기 때문이다.물론 예전 검색은 이런 것들을 계속 떠들어댔지만 새 검색은 당신이 이 사실을 보고하기 직전에 몇 가지 불만과 한 번의 엄청난 폭증에 대해 저축을 했다.현재 계획은 다음 주 초쯤 전체 텍스트 검색에서 접두사 검색을 세분화하는 것이다.다음에 이런 일이 일어날 때, 이것은 그 스파이크가 한 특정한 검색의 맛에 의해 발생하는지 알아내고 그 과정에서 다른 맛들을 보존할 수 있게 해줄 것이다.네베레트 (WMF) (대화) 18:23, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
오! 방금 네가 봤던 스파이크를 추적했어. 엄청나게 뒤죽박죽인 트롤을 찾아냈어쩌다.내가 그것에 대한 방어책을 좀 더 세울 수 있는지 알아볼게.사람들이 뭘 찾고 있는지 알면 놀랄텐데...네베레트 (WMF) (대화) 18:27, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
Cirrus는 언제 구현되었는가?로그에 기록하지 않은 다른 검색 버그가 있었지만, 현재 검색 엔진과 관련이 있다고 생각할 만한 이유가 있다면 다시 만들 수 있을 것이다.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 22:21, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)
지난 1년 반 동안 활발한 개발 중에 있으며, 바로 요전날인 19일에 영어 위키백과의 디폴트로 배치되었다.기존 검색 엔진은 추가 기능을 통해 여전히 액세스할 수 있음&srbackend=LuceneSearch 특별 행사:검색 또는 API 쿼리(버그가 아직 존재하는지 또는 추가되었는지 확인하기 위해 비교하기에 적합함 :) ^demon01[omg plz]:49, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

위키백과에 "기술 문제 보고" 추가 제안:연락하기

위키피디아는 사용자가 버그를 보고할 수 있는 장소가 있는가?(예: WMF 이메일 주소?)그렇게 하는 것은 독자들이 그들이 가지고 있는 문제들을 보고하도록 하기 위한 적절한 조치처럼 보일 것이다.위키피디아에 이런 내용이 없다는 사실에 놀랐다.우리에게 연락해라.이메일 주소가 있으면 다른 사용자가 지적할 수 있는가?그렇지 않으면 꽤 유용할 것 같아. --Tom (LT) (토크) 21:00, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

위키백과 버그를 이 페이지(이 문제가 템플릿, 모듈 등에 특정한 경우) 또는 페이브리케이터(서버 소프트웨어와 관련된 경우)에서 보고할 수 있다.확실하지 않은 경우, 게시하기에 가장 좋은 장소는 이 페이지 - 만약 버그 리포트가 페이브리케이터에 배치되었어야 한다면, 다른 사람이 여러분을 올바른 방향으로 가리킬 것이다(또는 여러분을 위해 그것을 할 수도 있다).
내가 이 글을 쓸 때, Phabricator는 유지보수를 위해 다운되었다. 월요일에는 복구될 것이다.
WP의 "읽기" 섹션에 기술 문제와 관련된 간단한 문장 한두 개를 추가하는 것을 지지한다. 우리에게 연락하라; 현명한 생각처럼 보인다.이것, 저것다른 (대화) 04:34, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)
이 페이지 상단에는 "버그 및 기능 요청"을 삽입할 위치에 대해 나와 있다. --AKlapper (WMF) (토크) 18:00, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)
비기술적 비편집자가 기술적 문제를 보고하기에 좋은 장소는 정말로 없다.연락처 페이지에 있는 대부분의 전자 메일 주소는 정보 제공 OTRS 대기열 중 하나로 이동하며 기술 이벤트 대기열이 있다.그러나 그것이 정말 쉬운 대답이 아니라면 그들은 아무 응답도 없이 오랫동안 앉아 있거나(주, 때로는) 다른 곳에 언급되는 경향이 있다(여기, 메일링 리스트).내가 알고 있는 바로는, 페이브리케이터가 버질라(아마도 더 나쁠 것이다)보다 더 평민 친화적이지는 않을 것이기 때문에, 아마도 독자들을 추천하기에 가장 좋은 장소는 아닐 것이다.이 페이지는 아마도 Phabricator보다 더 알기 쉬우며 OTRS보다 더 많은 응답을 받을 가능성이 있다.그러나 편집자가 아닌 사람에게는 여전히 어려울 수 있다.미스터 Z-man 17:53, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)
Bugzilla에 비해 Phabricator는 일부 지역의 상황을 개선할 것이다.Bugzilla 사용자 인터페이스와 별개로 Bugzilla에 대해 내가 들은 가장 흔한 불평은 별도의 로그인과 이메일 주소가 노출되었다는 사실이었다.두 가지 모두 더 이상 페이브리케이터의 경우가 아니다.mw:도 참조하십시오.개선 사항 및 알려진 문제에 대한 Phabricator/versus_Bugzilla.개인적으로 나는 여전히 모든 사람들의 요구와 기술에 정통한 수준에 맞는 완벽한 버그트레이커를 기다리고 있다고 말하고 싶다. 그리고 나는 50년 후에도 내가 여전히 기다리고 있을 것이라고 확신한다. 그것은 항상 타협과 절충이다.게다가 기대는 주관적인 것이기 때문에 버그가 어디서 시작되고 "이상하지만 의도된 행동" 또는 사용자 지원 질문이 어디서 끝나는지 정의하거나 알아내기가 정말 어려울 수 있다. :-/ --AKLAPER (WMF) (토크) 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

iPad 1의 로그인 페이지

iPad 1에서 "Keep me login in"을 더 이상 확인할 수 없다.확인란이 작동하지 않는다.이것이 알려진 문제인가?고마워 -- Jo3sampl (대화) 03:33, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

하지만 성공적으로 로그인할 수 있다고?어떤 브라우저에 대한 내용인가? --AKlapper (WMF) (토크) 18:03, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

고마워 -- 로그인 할 수 있어 -- "Keep me login" 옆에 있는 제어 장치만 작동하지 않아.브라우저는 Safari(아이패드의 네이티브)이다.버전 ID를 찾는 데 문제가 있지만, 버전은 iPad 1의 마지막 운영 체제 업데이트인 IOS 5.1.1에 해당된다.아이패드 1을 이용한 마지막 WP 편집자(대부분)라는 생각을 받아들여야 할 것 같다.크리스마스가 다가오는데... 다시 한 번 감사드리며 -- Jo3sampl (대화) 23:29, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

티켓팅 시스템에 보고됨.—DJ (대화기여) 13:21, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

카운트 편집(again)

지난번에 봤을 때(흔히 페이지에도 닿지 않는 경우가 많다) 1500분 뒤라고 적혀 있었다.또 막혔는데 발길질이 필요해.

원래 제공자는 몇 분 이상 지연될 것으로 예상하지 않았으므로 굳이 몇 시간(몇 일)으로 구문 분석하지 않았으리라 생각한다!

버터를 바르지 않은 파스닙(토크) mytime=sun 20:25, 위키타임=12:25, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)

이에 대해 공구 관리인에게 문의해야 한다(서명 링크를 연결할 필요가 없다는 점 참고). --Mdann52톡! 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
가 아는 것은 그것이 내 "사용자 기여" 페이지의 맨 아래에 있는 버튼이라는 것이다.누가 그걸 유지하는지 내가 어떻게 알 수 있지? 왜 내가 신경써야 하지?
다른 위키 페이지에 글을 쓸 때 레드링크를 멈추게 돼 있어하지만 일반인과 함께 일하지는 않는 것 같다.누구에게도 어떤 차이가 있는가? --버터링되지 않은 파스닙(토크) mytime=Sun 22:48, 위키타임=14:48, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
Xtools 관련 문제는 유지보수 담당자에게 https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/issues에서 보고할 수 있다.페이지 소스에서 내부 위키링크를 찾는 도구가 있다. [[:en:User:Unbuttered Parsnip]]다른 위키에 대한 인터위키 링크처럼 포맷되고 일부 도구를 혼동할 수 있다.그것은 또한 페이지 출처를 보는 독자들을 혼란스럽게 할 수 있다.너의 레드링크 코멘트가 무슨 뜻인지는 모르겠지만 레드 링크는 같은 위키에서 존재하지 않는 페이지로 연결되는 위키 링크야.커먼스에 커먼스 사용자 페이지를 만들지 않은 경우:사용자:버터링되지 않은 Parsnip을 사용하면 다른 Commons 페이지에서 해당 페이지로 연결되는 Wikilink가 빨간색으로 표시됨.프라임헌터 (대화) 15:33, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)
지난번에 봤을 때 엔위키에서 정의한 서명은 다른 위키에서는 아무런 효과가 없을 겁니다.다른 위키에서 사용할 수 있도록 동일한 Wikitext를 복사/붙여넣으라는 말씀이시죠?여기 서명에서 ":en:"을 생략하십시오.Johnuniq (대화) 00:19, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

감사 실행 취소

나는 어떤 모자에게 혹사당하는 것을 느끼고 있다.이 기사의 수정 내역 페이지에서, 사용자 이름으로 (감사하지 않음)을 가지고 있지 않은 유일한 편집자다.많은 사용자명이 자신의 이름으로 (감사하지 않음)을 가지고 있지 않은 관련 페이지에서도 마찬가지다.왜 이러한가?~ P123ct1 (대화) 17:10, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

너는 스스로에게 감사할 수 없다.다른 사람들은 당신의 편집에서 감사 링크를 본다.봇과 IP에 의한 편집은 감사 링크가 없다.이슬람국가 이라크와 레반트는 반보호적이어서 IP 편집이 없다.프라임헌터 (대화) 2014년 11월 23일 17:17 (UTC)
왜 이런 생각을 못했을까?내가 방금 짐작했던 봇과 IP에 대해서.~ P123ct1 (대화) 17:58, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

시간대 설정

내 시간대("시간 오프셋") 설정을 업데이트하려고 할 때 아시아/베이징은 선택이 아니라는 것을 깨달았다.같은 효과를 얻기 위해 아시아/홍콩으로 시간대를 바꿀 수 있었지만, 한 나라의 수도(그리고 의미심장한 수도)이기 때문에 아시아/베이징이 그 목록에 추가되어야 한다고 생각한다.대부분의 주요 운영 체제(Windows, Mac OS, Linux의 많은 디스트로)의 시간대 옵션에도 수록되어 있다.같은 시간대에 다른 도시들이 있는 것으로 알고 있지만, 이미 많은 도시들이 주어진 시간대에 등록되어 있다.예를 들어, 미국/토론토, 미국/몬트리얼, 미국/뉴욕, 미국/보고타.그리고 미국/리마는 모두 -05:00 시간대에 있지만, 그 중요성 때문에 모두 개별적으로 열거되어 있다.

요컨대, 나는 아시아/베이징이 Preferences -> Outlook의 시간 오프셋 목록에 포함되도록 요청하고 싶다.

고마워. Tony Tan98 · talk 04:26, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

@Tony Tan 98: 이것은 MediaWiki 소프트웨어의 특징이기 때문에 영어 위키백과에서는 국소적으로 고칠 수 없다.MediaWiki 개발자들이 당신의 요청을 볼 수 있도록 우리의 (새로운) 버그 추적 시스템에 버그 리포트를 제출했다.Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 04:50, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
@스트라디바리우스 씨:그렇구나. 보고서를 제출해줘서 고마워!베스트, 토니 ·토크98 04:54, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
미디어위키는 다른 많은 사람들과 마찬가지로 tz 데이터베이스를 사용하는 PHP로 쓰여져 있다.tz 데이터베이스 시간대목록에는 아시아/베이징이라고 불리는 시간대 식별자가 없기 때문에 빨간 링크 입니다.베이징은 아시아/상해로 덮여 있다.아시아/홍콩은 또한 당신의 위키피디아 선호를 설정하기 위해서만 일하지만, 공식적으로 홍콩만을 다룬다.참고 항목: 중국에서의 시간#IANA 표준 시간대 데이터베이스.프라임헌터 (토크) 11:54, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
  • 토니, 네 좌절을 이해해."미국:"미국:보스턴" (보스턴처럼 대부분의 OS 및 기타 프로그램 설정에서 이용 가능한) 뉴욕이 속해 있지 않은 뉴잉글랜드의 중심 허브의 일종인 매사추세츠 주의 수도다.나 또한 이것에 대해 연구를 좀 해 보았는데, 그것이 tz 데이터베이스에 추가되기 전까지는 소프트웨어 개발자들이 합리적으로 할 수 있는 일은 많지 않다.행복한 편집!{{U 기술 13}} 15:04, 2014년 11월 24일(UTC)
그들이 할 수 있는 한 가지 일이 있다: 다른 주요 도시들을 몇몇 tz 식별자 오른쪽에, 아마도 더 작은 글씨체로 추가하라.프라임헌터 (대화) 15:46, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

기술 뉴스: 2014-48

2014년 11월 24일 19:31(UTC)

다음 줄에 대한 참조 래핑

화면을 어떻게 설정하느냐에 따라 다음 줄까지 참조가 감길 수 있는데, 이 모습이 어색하고 낯설게 보인다.이 스크린샷 파일:필래(우주선)스크린샷_쇼잉_ref_wrap.jpg."11월"과 참조 시작 사이에는 공백이 없다.이런 일이 일어나지 않게 할 방법이 있을까?Bubba73 01:23, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

@Bubba73:어떤 브라우저를 사용하십니까?나에게 있어서, Win7의 Firefox와 IE9에서는, 참조가 항상 앞의 단어와 같은 줄에 나타나서 완전히 정지했다.Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 01:55, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
Windows 8.1에서 IE11을 사용하고 있다. Bubba73You talkin' to me? 02:57, 2014년 11월 20일(UTC)
아까 같은 필래(우주선) 기사를 쓰면서 같은 효과를 재현하려다 운도 없이 우연히 같은 설정을 갖게 된 것을 보니, 어쩔 수 없었다.기본적인 IE11 글꼴 패밀리 및 브라우저 너비를 만지작거렸으나, 내가 무엇을 시도했든 간에, 그것이 포장하기로 결정한 지점은 [위의 사진처럼] 참조의 기간과 개봉 대괄호 이후가 결코 아니었지만, "at"이라는 단어와 그 뒤에 오는 00:36 타임 스탬프 사이에 항상 일어나는 것처럼 보였다.

내게는 css같은 것처럼 보이지만, 솔직히 말해서 인라인 요소와 무차단 특성을 다루는 최근의 일에는 미치지 못한다. -- 조지 오웰 3세 (토크) 03:38, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

나는 텍스트를 크게 하거나 작게 만들면 문제가 없어진다.하지만 다른 곳에서 그런 일이 일어날 수도 있다.다른 데서 본 것 같아.내 Windows 글꼴 크기를 125%로 설정한 것 같아. 그게 문제가 될 수 있다면.Bubba73You talkin' to me? 03:57, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
이것은 이전에 나온 것들 중 하나이다; 이 페이지의 기록 보관소에 무엇인가가 있다(예: 위키백과:마을 펌프(기술)/아카이브 125#첨자 번호가 다음 텍스트 행으로 이동됨).포장이 일어나는 지점(그리고 포장을 결정하는 지점)은 매우 다양하다.그것에 영향을 미치는 요소들(위에는 어떤 것들이 강조되어 있었다)은 다음과 같다: 물리적 화면 해상도, 운영 체제, 설치된 글꼴, 브라우저, 창 크기 조정, 확대/축소 수준, 스타일 시트, 페이지 레이아웃.우리가 어떤 통제력을 행사할 수 있는 유일한 것은 마지막 두 가지뿐이며, 한 사용자에 대해 "올바른" 것을 얻으려고 하는 것은 다른 사용자에게 "잘못된" 것을 얻을 수 있다.우리는 다수를 만족시키려고 노력하지만 결코 보편적인 성공을 거둘 수 없다. --Redrose64 (대화) 11:35, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
도움말:참조 디스플레이 사용자 정의에는 이 문제를 해결하는 두 가지 방법이 있다.IE 8+가 다음을 지원해야 할 것 같다.before사이비 종교[27] -- Gadget850 talk 13:22, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
내게는 "공간이 없으면 깨지 말라"는 간단한 규칙이 쉬운 해결책이 될 것 같다.Bubba73You talkin' to me? 18:16, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
만약 당신이 긴 ref를 가지고 있다면, 어떻게 될까? 너무 길어서 화면보다 폭이 넓다면? (스마트폰을 가지고 있는 사람에게 그렇게 하기는 어렵지 않다.)WhatamIdoing (대화) 21:43, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)
  • 최근에 발견한 {{zwj}}}이(가) 여기서 붉은 청어가 될까..?사르다나팔루스 (대화) 2014년 11월 21일 17:42, (UTC)
  • {{Zwj}}워커들에게 있어 그 어떤 것보다도 좋다.나는 사용해 왔다.{{Nowrap}}"11월 15일"이 깨지는 것을 막기 위한 기사에 대해나는 우리가 모든 "."와 "<ref" 사이에 0폭의 조인을 삽입할 수 있다고 생각하지 않기 때문에 일반적인 해결책은 버그를 재현하고 버그를 기르는 것에 의존할 것이다.최상의 선택:Rich Farmbrough, 22:16, 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)
  • 이제 그것은 파일:에서 파란색으로 강조된 나를 위해 "얼음처럼 단단한" 뒤에 포장되고 있다.문제 2.jpg를 참조한다.Bubba73 00:22, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
  • 두 스크린샷에서 문제가 있는 참조는 #41이지만 지금은 서로 다른 참조가 된다는 점에 유의하십시오.그 문제는 41이라는 숫자와는 아무런 관련이 없는 것이겠지?Bubba73 03:14, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)
  • 나는 전문가는 아니지만 의심스럽다.위의 Redrose64에 따르면, 이것은 "브라우저, 그것의 버전, 달의 위상에 따른 Varies" 중 하나처럼 보인다."… 사르다나팔루스 (대화) 09:52, 2014년 11월 23일 (UTC)

병합 페이지의 추가 탭

트윙클 탭 앞에 병합 페이지 탭(url은 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MergeHistory&target={{urlencode:{FULLPAGENAME}})을 추가하고 싶다.어떻게 하면 좋을까? (상대적으로 간단한 자바스크립트가 될 것 같은데 잘 모르겠어.)עודדווו Od Mishehu 14:22, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)

@Od Mishehu:
mw.이용하다.addPortletLink('p-causes', mw.구성.얻다('wgScriptPath') + '/index.php?title=특수:병합히스토리&타겟=' + .우루코멘토르(.구성.얻다(wgReallyPageName')), '머지 역사'); 
Jackmcbarn (대화) 16:35, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
노력했지만 소용이 없었다.עודדווו Od Mishehu 19:14, 2014년 11월 20일 (UTC)
@Od Mishehu:그것은 나에게 효과가 있다.링크가 전혀 나타나지 않는가, 아니면 나타나지만 작동하지 않는가?Jackmcbarn (대화) 01:42, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
No merge tab.png
전혀 나타나지 않는다.עודדהוodOd Mishehu 04:48, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)
트라이 퍼팅JSconfig.keys['HotCatMinorSingleChanges'] = true;파일 끝에그것은 많은 다른 링크들도 보여주지 못하게 하는 것 같다.세나륨 (대화) 09:44, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

고마워, 세나리움, 계산은 이제 거기 있어.트윙클 탭 앞에 어떻게 놓을까?עודדוווו Od Mishehu 12:15, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

나도 몰라.나는 TW를 사용하지 않고, 사용자 토크 경고용으로만 사용하고 싶다.세나륨 (대화) 13:47, 2014년 11월 21일 (UTC)

위키미디어 기술 블로그

그래서 위키미디어 기술 블로그를 막 읽고 있었는데, 새로운 게시물이 작성되면 여기 VPT에 봇이나 어떤 것이 메모를 올리면 좋을 것 같다는 생각이 들었다.내가 보기에 이 페이지를 읽은 많은 편집자들은 기술 블로그가 말하는 것에 관심이 있을 것 같지만, 현재로서는 많은 사람들이 그것을 알고 있고, 업데이트를 확인하는 것을 기억하지 못할 것이다.여기서 새로운 게시물 알림을 받을 수 있는 쉬운 방법이 있을까?— 미스터 스트라디바리우스 2014년 11월 22일 (UTC)

👍 주기적으로 이곳에 새로운 게시물을 일괄적으로 메모하는 봇처럼, 효과가 있을 것이다.또는 주간 Tech News에 통합할 수 있다.자오펑[말씀] 기여...] 2014년 11월 23일 04:13(UTC)
Tech News는 이미 이러한 기능을 제공하고 있다(그러나 시간이 있으면 언제든지 링크가 있는지 다시 확인하고, 없으면 추가하십시오!).--Eltre (WMF) (토크) 10:25, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)

SUL 공구 반환: 404 - 찾을 수 없음

계정 요청을 처리하려고 하는 동안 Toollabs:quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo를 알게 되었다.php는 "404 - 찾을 수 없음"을 적어도 며칠 전부터 반납하고 있다.이는 기존 사용자 이름과 유사한 사용자 이름에 대한 요청을 기존 이름이 활성 상태였으므로 수락해야 하는지 여부를 평가하는 데 상당히 중요한 도구다.만약 누군가가 이것을 조사할 수 있다면 그것은 좋을 것이다.{{U 기술 13}} 18:45, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)

이제 CentralAuth가 연결되지 않은 계정을 표시했으므로 툴이 여전히 필요한가?xenotalk 18:58, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
  • SUL 도구는 더 정확한 등록 날짜를 포함하여 CA보다 약간 더 많은 정보를 제공한다(2013년 4월 이전에 작성된 CA의 모든 계정은 2013년 4월로 표시됨).IERC, SUL 도구는 CA가 하지 않은 마지막 활동 날짜도 제공한다.{{U 기술 13}} 19:09, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
  • 고마워. 그래, 이 도구를 돌려받으면 좋겠다.xenotalk 18:11, 2014년 11월 24일(UTC)
꽤 많은 도구들이 404개를 지금 돌려주고 있다. 적어도 내가 경험해 본 것은 그런 것이고, 방금 전에 잠깐의 산발 테스트는 나를 다르게 설득하는데 아무런 도움이 되지 않았다!레티컬레이션 스플라인 19:02, 2014년 11월 23일(UTC)
해결됨
User_talk당:사이버파워678#SUL_info.고마워 사이버파워.{{U 기술 13}} 17:26, 2014년 11월 25일(UTC)

그럼 (반대)

MPelletier (WMF), hops는 무엇인가?공구가 또 고장났어?나는 위에서도 Whatamidoing (WMF)이 무게를 실었다는 것을 알고 있지만, 나는 그들이 무슨 말을 하는지 이해하지 못했다. 나는 단지 빈정거릴 뿐이었다.이봐, 난 정말 누가 어떤 방식으로 무엇을 운영하든 상관없어.작업 편집 카운트와 기사 작성 카운트를 원하며 WMF가 그렇게 만들었으면 한다.제발Drmies (토크) 02:31, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

이봐 드레이어스, 내가 이 일에 대해 얘기할 수 있을 것 같아.나는 기술자도 변호사도 아니니 참고하십시오.)
툴서버에서 실행한 툴과 마찬가지로, 실험실에서 실행되는 툴은 툴 소유자의 책임이다.아마도 당신은 TParis 등이 유지보수 인수를 돕기 전에 툴 서버에서 X's 툴이 작동 중단되었던 때를 기억할 수 있을 것이다.같은 문제다.온위키, 기계 장치가 고장나도 같은 일이 일어난다.주인은 그것들을 고쳐야 한다.음, 가젯이 더 낫지, 왜냐하면 누구든지 코드를 편집할 수 있는 한 고칠 수 있기 때문이다 :)
위키미디어 재단이 편집 도구를 인수하고 호스팅하는 문제는...- 까다롭군 - 물론이지, 하기는 쉬워문제는 윤리와 지역 사회 정서에 관한 것이다.개인 정보 보호 정책은 WMF 자체가 액세스 로그에 대해 거의 갖고 있지 않으며, 그러한 발견은 만료된다는 것을 분명히 한다.이것은 CheckUser와 같은 고급 도구를 가진 자원 봉사자들 조차도 접근할 수 있는 것을 따른다.
사람들이 취하는 모든 편집과 조치는 위키 소프트웨어에 의해 기록된다.이는 허가 조건뿐만 아니라 개인 책임이라는 위키 철학의 본질이다.역사는 반드시 지켜져야 한다.그러나, 이력을 분석함으로써 어떤 데이터 마이닝이 이루어지느냐가 매우 매우 불안정한 지위에 있다.많은 지역사회가 편집 창구를 불편하게 여기고 있으며, 어떤 곳에서는 편집 창구를 사용하는 것이 법을 위반할 수도 있다.
그래서 결국, 더 좋은 질문은, 도구를 복제하고 자원 봉사자들의 손에 맡기는데 무엇이 도움이 될 수 있을까 하는 것이라고 생각한다.실험실의 모든 도구는 오픈 소스인데, 지역사회에 중요한 서비스라면 한두 개 정도는 포크를 사용하는 것이 사소한 일일 것이다.이 역할을 기꺼이 맡을 수 있는 연구소 계정을 가진 개발자가 있는가?키건 (WMF) (토크) 07:45, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
  • 키건(WMF), 나는 당신의 인간 영어 번역에 감사한다(이전의 답들은 모두 독자들이 문제의 역사를 알고 있고 b.는 다양한 기술력을 이해하고 있다는 것을 당연하게 여겼다).나는 지금 그 복잡한 것들 중 몇 가지를 이해한 것 같아.왜 그런 기계들이 자꾸 고장 나는지 이해가 안 되겠지만, 네 말을 믿겠다.어쨌든, RfA의 편집자를 평가하기 위해서는 이 도구들이 필요하다. 없이는 그렇게 하기가 매우 어렵다.다시 한 번 감사드리며 (토크) 13:52, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
생각해 보면, 이것을 언급하기에 부적절한 장소일 수도 있지만, "미디어 뷰어", "비주얼 에디터" 등과 같은 불필요한 것들을 만드는 데 드는 돈은 대신에 편집 도구/봇과 같은 필수적인 기능들을 운영하는 데 사용되어야 한다.아무도 좋아하지 않는 기능에 너무 많은 노력이 낭비되는 반면 핵심 기능들은 격월로 고장나 몇 주 후에야 고쳐지는 것을 보면 정말 실망스럽다.펑크몽크 (토크) 2014년 11월 24일 18:10 (UTC)
이에 대한 답변은 위의 "So..."를 참조하십시오.한편, 우리의 소프트웨어 도구를 유지하는데 있어서 누구를 더 믿으시겠습니까? 당신의 평균 위키백과 자원봉사자 또는 MV & VE와 같은 일을 했던 사람들? -- llywrch (대화) 21:08, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)

페이지 전환

갑자기 페이지 사이를 왔다 갔다 하면서(IE10 뒤로 및 앞으로 탐색 버튼 사용) 한 페이지가 바삭바삭한 순간 새로 고침 대신 다른 페이지로 '슬라이드'하는 '전환'이 일어난다.기술 담당자가 무언가를 변경했는가, 아니면 이것이 내 IE 설정의 일부 측면에 의해 발생한 것인가?전에 한 번, 몇 달 전에 그런 일이 있었는데 갑자기 멈췄어고마워, 141.6.11.14 (대화) 12:29, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)

내 짐작은 IE일 것이다; 이것은 위키피디아와는 아무 상관이 없다. --Mdann52나와 대화한다! 13:31, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)

템플릿에 대한 편집 요청:인포박스 휴일

이 템플릿은 페이지를 "주파수" 필드에 따라 분류한다. 예를 들어 "연간" 페이지 분류:휴일 및 빈도별 행사(연간)문제는 연간 자본금 A가 페이지를 중복된 카테고리인 카테고리:공휴일빈도별 준수(연간).범주 이름에 있는 주파수의 소문자 버전을 사용하려면 템플릿의 코드를 편집하십시오.– Fayenatic London 14:51, 2014년 11월 24일(UTC)

{{lc:}} 마법의 단어를 사용하여 고정.기간 및 예약 필드는 동일한 변경이 필요할 수 있다.SiBr4 (대화) 15:05, 2014년 11월 24일 (UTC)
@SiBr4:고마워!범주에서와 같이 스케줄링에 관한 마법의 단어는 피하는 것이 좋겠다.공휴일과 일정을 정하는 예식은 "크리스마스"로 시작한다.하지만 지속시간에는 안전하게 사용할 수 있어야 한다.– 페예나틱 런던 23:56, 2014년 11월 25일(UTC)

팝업

지난 12시간 동안 네비게이션 팝업을 잃어버린 사람은 나뿐이라고?이미 밀린 SPI 사건을 조사하는데 지루하게 만든다.--제즈벨의 Ponyobons mots 16:54, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)

아닌 것 같다.베스트, --Eltre (WMF) (토크) 17:03, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)
고마워그 실과 내 경험에 따르면 팝업이...다시 나타났다. --제즈벨의 포뇨bons mots 18:35, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)

내 감시 목록에서 보류 중인 변경 배너를 억제하는 방법

나는 내 워치리스트에 있는 연어색 "현재 개정중" 배너를 없애고 싶다. 내 워치리스트의 개별 페이지가 이미 표시되어 있기 때문에 그것은 경고와 중복이다.나는 이것에 대한 선호도가 보이지 않고 CSS와 함께 그것을 훔치려고 노력했지만 운이 없었다.좋은 생각 있어?안녕, 오렌지 스웨이드 소파 (토크) 20:18, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)

비결은 셀렉터를 너무 구체화하지 않고 구체화하는 것이다.
칸막이하다#mw-fr-watchlist-watchlist-buff {   전시하다: 없는; } 
Special에 배치:MyPage/common.css - MonoBook 및 Vector에서 테스트됨. --Redrose64 (토크) 20:37, 2014년 11월 25일(UTC)
고마워!오렌지 스웨이드 소파 (토크) 20:45, 2014년 11월 25일 (UTC)

보관소

내 토크 페이지에 두 세트의 아카이브가 있었는데 갑자기 사라졌어."사용자:"를 입력하면검색 상자에 P123ct1" 보관함 2가 표시되지만 보관 1은 표시되지 않는다.나는 이것을 설명할 수 있는 수정 역사에서 어떤 차이점도 볼 수 없다.한 편집자가 최근 내 토크 페이지의 제목 제목을 허락 없이 변경했다.도와주실 수 있겠어요?~ P123ct1 (대화) 17:03, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)

@P123ct1:편집으로 직접 제거하셨습니다. --Redros64 (토크) 17:25, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)
Redrose64:나는 그 당시 상단에 있는 스팸 메시지처럼 보이는 것을 제거하려고 하고 있었다.나는 내가 아카이브 1을 동시에 삭제한 것을 보지 못했다.WP의 기술적인 부분은 나를 당황하게 하고 나는 편집하는 대신에 그것에 엄청난 시간을 낭비하는 것 같다.고마워요.~ P123ct1 (대화) 18:00, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)

제안: 선택 2단계 인증 사용

구글, 페이스북, Evernote, Dropbox, 애플의 iCloud와 같은 다수의 대형 온라인 서비스 제공업체들이 사용자 계정의 보안을 강화할 수 있게 하면서 2단계 인증이 지난 몇 년 동안 인기를 끌었다.로그인할 때 일반적으로 모바일 장치에 설치된 응용 프로그램에 의해 생성된 일회용 암호를 입력해야 한다.사용 가능한 미디어위키 확장 기능으로는 선서어택투팩터가 있다.위키피디아를 포함한 위키미디어 위키 사용자들에게 2단계 인증을 제공할 수 있는 인증.

나는 이와 같은 것을 제안한다: 사용자 계정 보안을 강화하기 위해(특히 관리자, 기능사 및 사용자 권한이 높은 다른 사람의 경우), 우리는 Wikimedia 재단이 영어 위키백과(및 기타 위키미디어 재단 위키백과)에 TOTP 기반 2단계 인증 솔루션을 설치하는 것을 고려해 줄 것을 요청한다.협의) 합리적인 보안 감사 및 사용자 테스트를 통과하고 CentralAuth와 합리적으로 통합되는 구현이 발견될 수 있는지 여부.사용자는 2단계 인증을 사용할 필요가 없으며, 합리적인 복구 프로세스가 마련되어야 한다.

  • 제안자로서의 지원.—톰 모리스 (대화) 14:58, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 지지하다.백엔드 검증이 어떻게 되는지 모르겠지만 구글 인증자 지원이 있었으면 좋겠고, 시간 기반 토큰을 검증하기 위해 구글 서버에 질의해야 한다면 나는 사용하지 않을 것이다.0x0077BE(talk · contrib) 15:01, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
    0x0077BE: Google Authenticator는 TOTP의 인기 있는 구현이지만, Google Authenticator는 인증할 때 Google의 서버에 접속하지 않는다(내가 아는 한, Google Authenticator는 사용자가 인증할 때 Google의 서버에 접속하지 않는다(단, 기기를 사용하고 장치에서 트래픽을 모니터링하여 확인하는 방법만 확인 가능).단말기가 오프라인일 때 사용할 수 있다.나는 개인적으로 아이폰에서 오토시를 사용하지만 레드햇의 오픈소스 FreeOTP 등 다양한 구현이 있다.이 기사에는 구현된 모든 목록이 나와 있다.시간 기반 일회용 암호 알고리즘.TOTP의 깨진(의도적이든 아니든) 구현이 있을 수 있지만, TOTP 클라이언트가 사용하는 것은 사용자의 몫이다.—톰 모리스 (대화) 15:07, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
응, 인증자가 서버에 연락하지 않는 건 알지만, 서버 쪽 백엔드에 대해서는 잘 몰라.위키피디아가 자체 서버에서 Authenticator 호환 토큰을 생성할 수 있다면 찬성하겠지만, 위키피디아가 토큰을 얻기 위해 구글에 연락해야 한다면 사용하지 않을 것이다.나는 구글과의 어떠한 접촉도 필요하지 않을 것이라고 생각한다. 왜냐하면 그것은 아마도 보안이 필요한 불필요한 접속을 추가함으로써 보안을 상당히 복잡하게 만들 것이기 때문이다.만일 Authenticator가 특정 프로토콜의 구현에 불과하다면(나는 항상 TOTP를 특정 알고리즘이 아닌 시간 기반 토큰 생성기의 클래스를 지칭하는 것으로 생각했지만, 나는 결코 그것을 들여다보지 않았다) 분명히 구글의 개입 없이 Authenticator 지원을 받을 수 있을 것이다.0x0077BE(talk · contrib) 15:18, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
0x0077BE: 아니, WMF는 키를 생성하기 위해 구글의 서버(또는 다른 사람의 서버)에 연락할 필요가 없을 것이다.—톰 모리스 (대화) 15:26, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 일단 반대하다.나는 그 아이디어를 좋아하지만, 위키에 관한 선서어트와의 경험은 이상적이지는 않았다.나는 여러 번 통장을 잠갔는데 다른 사람들도 실수로 같은 일을 할까 봐 걱정이다.나는 이 확장자를 더 넓게 사용하기 전에 개선된 것을 보고 싶다.^demon15[omg plz]:24, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
    @^demon:어떻게 해서 갇혔는지 기억나?Jackmcbarn (대화) 03:36, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
    전화기를 닦고 새 전화기를 얻었다.내 열쇠가 없어졌거든^demon18[omg plz]:58, 2014년 11월 18일(UTC)
    그래, 아마도 더 많은 복구 옵션(SMS, 이메일 등)을 제공해야 할 것이고, 두 확장자의 UI가 정확히 사용자에게 친숙한 IMO는 아니다. 자오펑 리 [토크... 기여...] 22:41, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
  • 모든 구현에 대한 충분하고 긍정적인 기술 및 사용자 검토에 따라 원칙적으로 지원. -- KTC (대화) 15:57, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 반대: 이 두 확장 모두 개발 초기 단계인 것 같다.또한, 그들을 가능케 하지 않는 또 다른 훨씬 더 심각한 이유가 있다.그 이유는 위키백과는 마리아DB를 사용하므로 선서작가는 위키백과에서는 작동하지 않을 것이며 선서작가는 bugzilla:658에서 볼 수 있듯이 MySQL에 대한 지원만 가지고 있기 때문이다.TwoFactor도 마찬가지라고 해도 놀라지 않을 것이다.전자에 기반한 인증.--Snaevar (talk) 16:07, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
    음, 마리아DB는 기본적으로 MySQL이야.Legoktm (대화) 17:04, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
    레고크tm이 한 말.버그는 Postgresql에서 실행하는 문제를 언급했다.Postgres는 MySQL과 매우 다르다.마리아DB는 그렇지 않다.—톰 모리스 (대화) 17:10, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 질문:나는 제안자가 2요소 인증의 이점을 믿을 수 있는 출처로 설명해주길 바란다.특히 이것은 옵트인이 되는 것이고 아마도 선량한 보안 관행을 사용하게 될 대부분의 사람들이 선택하게 될 것이기 때문에, 암호화된 연결을 사용하고, 모든 계정에 동일한 암호를 사용하지 않으며, 컴퓨터 옆 게시판에 게시된 암호를 유지하지 않는 사용자에게 이것이 어떤 도움이 될 것인가?Jc3s5h (대화) 17:15, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
2단계 인증을 사용하는 것은 좋은 보안 관행의 일부분이며, 그렇지 않으면 좋은 보안을 사용하는 사람이 공격에 면역이 된다는 것은 사실이라고 생각하지 않는다.나는 이것을 가능하게 하는 많은 사람들이 Javascript와 다른 스크립팅을 기본적으로 비활성화하지 않고 비밀리에 비밀번호를 수집할 수 있는 많은 제로 데이 공격에 면역이 된다고 생각한다.또한 잠재적으로 손상된 터미널에서 로그인하지 않는 것(또는 재생 공격을 허용하지 않고 잠재적으로 손상된 터미널에서 로그인할 수 있기를 원하는 것)에 대해 충분히 주의하지 않을 수 있으며, 이 두 가지 모두 TOTP 또는 기타 2단계 인증 시스템에 의해 완화될 수 있는 공격이다.0x0077BE(talk · contrib) 17:47, 2014년 11월 17일(UTC)
기본적으로 0x0077의 내용BE가 말했다.TOTP 기반의 2단계 인증은 보안을 의식하는 사용자가 자신의 무기에 추가할 수 있는 툴이다.모든 웹사이트에 그것을 사용할 수는 없다. 왜냐하면 모든 웹사이트가 그것을 배포하지는 않기 때문이다.그러나 주요 보안 자산, 즉 보안 강화가 필요한 계정을 활성화할 가치가 있다.우리는 관리권이 별거 아니라는 척 하기를 좋아하지만 블록을 나눠주는 능력과 삭제된 콘텐츠를 보는 능력은 관리자에게 위임되는 중요한 사항이다.어쨌든 나에게는 과거에 몇 가지 실수를 저질렀지만, 믿음직스럽고 책임감 있는 방법으로 관리 업무를 수행하려고 열심히 노력한다.내 위키피디아 계정을 말하자면, 내 페이스북 계정만큼 안전하게 만들 수 있는 능력이 있다면 꽤 좋을 것이다.—톰 모리스 (대화) 21:48, 2014년 11월 17일 (UTC)
  • 지원 WMF는 현재 위키텍에서 이것을 사용하고 있으므로 우리는 큰 문제가 없다는 것을 안다.Jackmcbarn (대화) 03:35, 2014년 11월 18일 (UTC)
  • 지지하다.보안상 좋은 생각인 것 같아사실 여기서 보기 전까지는 내가 직접 프로포즈를 하려고 했다.LorChat 00:25, 2014년 11월 25일(UTC)
  • 지원하지만 외부 서비스와 스마트폰은 보안 장치가 아니다.가입하고자 하는 사람들은 PGP 공개 키를 업로드 할 수 있고, 시스템은 로그인할 때 한 번의 사용 키의 암호를 해독하도록 도전할 수 있다.공용/개인 키 암호화와 함께 제3자를 신뢰하는 것은 목적을 저버린다.Chillum 00:29, 2014년 11월 25일(UTC)
    외부 서비스를 제안하지 않는다."스마트폰은 보안장치가 아니니까 GPG를 이용하자"는 것이다.그것은 솔직히 A등급이다.구글 Authenticator 스타일의 TOTP는 충분히 사용할 수 있고 안전하다.사람들은 그것을 그들의 Gmail, Facebook, Github 그리고 다른 계정에 사용한 경험이 있다.PGP/GPG 암호 해독은 너무 많은 실수다.'친구집에 앉아 있는데 위키피디아를 편집하고 싶다'는 사용 사례에서 TOTP는 휴대전화를 꺼낸 다음 사용자 이름, 비밀번호, TOTP 토큰으로 로그인하는 것을 의미한다.PGP 암호 해독을 사용하면 GPG 키가 노트북에 있기 때문에 전혀 로그인할 수 없다.사용할 수 없는 보안은 아무에게도 도움이 되지 않는다.
    또한, "안전하지 않다"는 것은 무엇을 의미하는가.모든 것이 안전하지 않거나 안전하지 않다.특정 위협 모델에 대해 모든 것이 안전하다.내 집은 안전하니?글쎄, 자물쇠 등은 내 보험회사가 그 내용물을 보험에 들 수 있을 만큼 충분히 안전해.절대 침입하지 않겠다는 뜻인가?아니. 하지만 우리 집에 필요한 보안은 포트 녹스와 약간 다를지도 몰라.보안은 실용적일 필요가 있다: 선택 TOTP는 사용자들이 업계에서 중요한 모든 사람들이 사용하는 현재 가장 널리 사용되는 2단계 인증 프로세스를 설정하도록 선택할 수 있다는 것을 의미한다.GPG를 기반으로 여러분 자신의 2FA를 굴린다는 것은 몇몇 목수염 해커들 외에는 아무도 사용하지 않는다는 것을 의미하며, 이는 전체적인 보안을 강화한다는 것을 의미한다.—톰 모리스 (대화) 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC) 18:25, UTC)

더 이상 작동하지 않는 Wikipedia 모바일 버전 검색

(새 검색이 시행된 이후) 약 한 달이나 두 달 동안 (아마도 새로운 검색이 시행된 이후) 내 휴대폰의 웹브라우저에 있는 위키백과 메인 페이지의 검색 기능이 작동하지 않고 있다.나는 안드로이드 2.2.2와 표준 웹 브라우저와 웹 URL "http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page"과 함께 삼성 인터셉트를 사용하고 있다.

페이지가 처음 나타나면 페이지 상단에 있는 검색창에는 세 개의 메뉴 바가 있으며 "검색 위키백과"라고 되어 있다. 위키백과한 번 있다검색 위키백과'를 한 번 터치하면 단어는 사라지지만 메뉴 바는 남는다.단어를 두 번째로 터치하면 메뉴 바가 "X"로 대체되고 커서가 뒤에 위치한다.내가 검색어를 입력하기 시작하자마자, 회색 원 안의 더 작은 "x"가 줄의 다른 끝에 나타나며 제안된 검색어가 아래에 나타나기 시작한다.

그런 다음 아래 검색 단어 중 하나를 선택하려고 하면 다음 두 가지 중 하나가 발생한다.

1) 검색어를 터치한 다음 즉시 손가락을 떼거나, 검색어를 터치하고 몇 초 동안 손가락을 떼지만, (선택한 것으로 무언가를 보여주기 위해) "박스 윤곽선"이 검색어를 감싸지 않고, 손가락을 떼면, 페이지는 즉시 원래 모습으로 되돌아가며, 메뉴 바는 "검색 위키백과"이다.", 원 안에 "x"가 없고 검색어도 없다.

2) 검색어를 터치하고 몇 초만 손가락을 올려놓고 '박스 아웃라인'이 검색어뿐만 아니라 다른 전체 또는 부분 검색어(다른 줄에, 마치 내가 선택하고자 하는 것을 알 수 없는 것처럼)를 둘러싸고 있으면 다양한 옵션(열기, 새 창에서 열기 등)을 묻는 상자가 나타난다.나는 박스 상단에 있는 전혀 관련이 없는 URL에서 공연하고 싶다.

더 이상 "박스 개요"로 선택하려는 검색 단어만 선택하여 둘러싸도록 검색 기능을 설정할 수 없음.

나는 또한 검색어를 입력하거나 위키피디아에서 검색하도록 할 수 없다. 왜냐하면 검색창에는 검색을 시작하기 위한 "?" 또는 "시작" 단추와 같은 것이 없기 때문이다. 대신 "X"만 검색어를 끝낼 수 있다.

만약 이것에 대해 어떤 생각이나 제안이 있거나 나를 도와줄 수 있는 사람이 있다면, 나는 그것을 매우 고맙게 생각할 것이다.66.87.95.204 (대화) 10:32, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)에 의해 추가된 이전의 부호 없는 의견

우리에게 이 문제에 대해 말해줘서 고마워, 그것은 매우 짜증나게 들린다.사용자:마리아나(WMF)는 그 문제에 대해 알고 있으며, 나는 그것이 곧 고쳐지길 바란다.Whatamidoing (WMF) (토크) 23:37, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)

HTTPS 인증서 변경?

위키백과 이전에 누군가가 이것에 대해 보고했다.빌리지_펌프_(기술)/아카이브_129#What.27s_up_with_Firefox_and_security_certificate.3F 악성 인증서 교환/MitM 공격이 있었다는 결론

나는 최근에 직장에서나 집에서나 https://en.wikipedia.org에 접속하려고 할 때 인증서의 변화를 알아차렸다.여기 Certificate Purset이 나에게 말해주는 것이 있다 - 다른 비슷한 것을 본 사람이 있는가?

원본: - GTE CyberTrust 글로벌 루트 - DigiCert High Assurance EV 루트 CA - DigiCert High Assurance CA-3 - *.wikipedia.org SHA-1 = 87:A6:CC:C9:08:A0:0B:4F:B0:66:31:B2:4B:24:3F:39:82:FA:E0:30 2012-10-22, 01:00:00, 2016-01-20, 12:00:00 New: - GlobalSign Root CA - GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2 - *.wikipedia.org SHA1 = D1:B3:F4:B9:EF:27:75:07:EE:DD:B5:61:75:15:3F:EA:B9:EF:85:C9 발행 2014-11-21, 18:06:02, 2015-22, 18:06:02 만료

131.111.102.15 (대화) 13:36, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)이(가) 추가한 이전 미서명 의견

새 자격증도 받는다. --NeilNtalk to me 14:07, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)
나도 새로운 SHA-256 자격증을 가지고 있어, 모든 것이 자격증과 잘 맞는 것 같아.— xaosflux 14Talk:38, 2014년 11월 26일(UTC)
좋아, 고마워. 내 목표는 문제가 아니야.이제 인증서 및 CA가 만료일 1년 전에 변경된 이유에 대해 궁금해진다.131.102.15 (대화) 15:12, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)
예전 인증서는 SHA-1이었는데, 지금은 더 이상 사용되지 않고 있고, 우리는 Shaha :D — xaosflux 15:41, 2014년 11월 26일 (UTC)에서 잘 어울린다.
페이지 참조:T73156, Chrome 41은 SHA1 인증서가 사용되어 2016년 1월 1일 이후 만료될 경우 사용자에게 경고한다. --Sitic(토크) 13:59, 2014년 11월 27일(UTC)

다른 언어에 연결

예전에는 다른 언어로 평행한 글과 연결하기가 쉬웠었다.불행하게도, 그러한 연결은 현재 전통적인 편집자와 VE 둘 다에 숨겨져 있다.한국어 기사에 링크를 추가하려고 했지만, 전통적인 편집자에서는 작동하지 않았고 VE는 절망적이어서 코딩을 잊어버린 것 같다.I wanted to add 한국어:탑정저수지 as a link from Tapjeong Reservoir.Kdammers (대화) 09:32, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)

두 글의 사이드바에서 "링크 추가"를 클릭하고 다른 글의 언어와 제목을 입력하면 스크립트가 자동으로 기사 쌍에 대한 Wikidata 페이지를 생성하거나 편집해야 한다.너는 더 이상 기사를 편집할 필요가 없다.(위키다타 이전의 방법은 추가될 것이다.[[ko:탑정저수지]]enWP 페이지로.[[en:Tapjeong Reservoir]]KOWP 원까지.)SiBr4 (대화) 09:44, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
그러나 이를 위해서는 모든 위키미디어 프로젝트에 대한 중앙 로그인을 하거나 Wikidata에 별도의 계정을 만들어야 한다.그렇지 않으면 위키다타의 지름길이 먹히지 않을 것이다.De728631 (대화) 11:16, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
중앙 로그인은 자동으로 이루어진다.특수:CentralAuth/Kdammers는 Kdammers의 계정이 Wikidata 계정에 연결되어 있음을 보여준다.SiBr4 (대화) 11:29, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
다른 쪽에서는, 한국어는 다음과 같은 기사가 없다.한국어 위키백과에서 탑저 수 있다.De728631 (대화) 11:23, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
나는 생각한다한국어:인터위키 접두사("한국어"라는 뜻)로 제작되었다.문제의 한국 기사는 ko:탑정수수있음. SiBr (대화4) 11:29, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
아, 모든 한글 문자 사이의 그 교활한 결장이 나를 빠져나왔다. :-) De728631 (대화) 11:40, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)

템플릿

템플릿 작업 중:Navbox 부분군, 이 템플릿은 20개의 부분군을 허용하고, 나는 20개 이상의 부분군을 가지고 있다.20개 이상의 하위 그룹을 삽입할 수 있는 이와 같은 템플릿이 있는가?Amen Akbar (대화) 11:07, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)

대신 {{Navbox child를 사용할 수 있다. -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:09, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)

위키 표시 누락

해결됨

며칠 전에 나는 편집 시 위키 표시가 완전히 없어진 것을 알아차렸다.내 프리프나 PC(2)나 노트북에는 변화가 없었다.여기 무슨 일인지 아는 사람 있어?고마워요.TMCk (대화) 18:03, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
추가 정보: (크롬 대신) IE에서 확인했으며 로그아웃하지 않는 한 동일하게 설정하십시오.독일 위키에서 문제 없어.TMCk (대화) 2014년 11월 27일 18:30 (UTC)

@위대한 청소부:"위키 마크업"이란 무엇인가?나는 Firefox 33.1을 사용하고 있고 여기에 위키 마크업을 입력하여 콜론을 들여쓰기, 이 회신 시작 시 템플릿, 그리고 내 서명까지 모두 문제없이 작성했다. --Redros64 (토크) 19:40, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
페이지를 편집할 때 "삽입"이라는 이름의 왼쪽 하단 근처에 드롭다운 메뉴가 있으며 목록에는 마크업이 한 가지 선택사항이다.나는 로그인할 때 이 드롭다운 메뉴를 받을 수 없다.TMCk (대화) 19:50, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)
난 그게 네가 의미하는 거라고 생각했어.CharInsert가 활성화되었는지 확인: Preferences Gadgets CharInsert, 편집 창 아래에 Wiki 마크업 특수 문자를 신속하게 삽입할 수 있는 도구 모음 추가 - Gadget850 talk 19:55, 2014년 11월 27일(UTC)
사용자:도 비워 두십시오.Magnificant Clean-keeper/common.js 및 해당 텍스트 행의 바이패스는 유효하지 않으며 간섭할 수 있다. -- Gadget850 talk 19:57, 2014년 11월 27일(UTC)
고마워, 내 암호 페이지가 방해했어이제 괜찮아;) TMCk (대화) 20:15, 2014년 11월 27일 (UTC)

범주:구 영어 외부 링크가 있는 기사

존재하지 않는 카테고리:어떤 것에는 구영어로 된 외부 링크가 붙어 있는 기사들은 지구에도 숨겨지지 않은 채 나타나는데, 누군가 이것을 고칠 수 있을까?Brandmeistertalk 선행 미등록 의견 추가 23:06, 2014년 11월 27일(UTC)

@브랜드마이스터: 이러한 편집에서 {{ang icon}의 인스턴스를 제거하여 수행됨.GoingBatty (토크) 01:56, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)
카테고리:위의 편집에서 유일한 기사 지구에서 비우기 1분 전에 Old English-Language 외부 링크가 있는 기사.오래된 영어를 카테고리의 다른 언어와 같은 외국어로서 취급하는 것:영어가 아닌 외부 링크가 있는 기사는 이상하게 보일 수 있지만 숨겨진 범주일 수 있다.영어 이외의 텍스트를 포함하는 아티클에는 이미 하위 카테고리가 있음:많은 기사가 수록된 오래된 영어 텍스트가 수록된 기사.프라임헌터 (토크) 02:06, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: 좋아, 내가 편집한 내용을 지구로 되돌려서 다시 범주에 넣었어.GoingBatty (토크) 02:18, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)
@Brandmeister: 존재하지 않는 범주는 모든 기사에서 항상 숨김 없이 나타난다.이는 범주의 페이지가 있는 경우에만(또는 해당 마크를 포함하는 템플릿) 범주를 숨길 수 있기 때문이다. 이를 위해서는 캣 페이지가 존재해야 한다.따라서 해당 고양이에 기사가 들어가도 범주가 숨겨져 있다면, 유일한 "수정"은 카테고리 페이지를 만드는 것이다. --Redrose64 (토크) 10:00, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)

시그니처 마크업 발행

안녕.나는 방금 토크 페이지에 댓글을 달다가 한 사용자의 서명이 약간 엉망이 된 것 같다는 것을 알아차렸다.나는 이용자에게 그것에 대해 물어봤고 나는 여기에서 언급되었다.사용자 후 편집 시 해당 시그널은 다음과 같이 표시된다.파일:마크업.JPG

(파일이 보이면 삭제해 달라고 요청할 겁니다. 월요일이 너무 이르지 않길 바라십니까?)다른 사람이 내 브라우저(Firefox 33.1) 또는 OS(Windows 7 Professional Service Pack 1)에 문제가 있거나 있는 것인가? 도움에 감사한다.데이보사우루스 (토크) 09:07, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)

@Daveosaurus and DerbyCountyinNZ:{{Font color}}에 대한 이 편집은 모든 파서 기능이 올바르게 대체되도록 해야 하지만, 다음과 같이 대체될 경우 숨겨진 코멘트를 유지한다.{{subst:fontcolor blue orange DerbyCountyinNZ}}이제 그 결과가 되다.
<span style="background-color:orange; color:blue;">DerbyCountynNZ</span><!-- 두 개의 파라미터 -- -->
서명에 템플릿을 사용하는 것이 금지되므로 직접 설정하는 것이 좋다는 점에 유의하십시오.<span style="background-color:orange; color:blue;">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>서명으로서SiBr4 (대화) 09:22, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)
  • 나는 더비가 그렇게 하지 않는 이유가 시스템의 255자 서명 길이 제한과 관련이 있다고 추측한다.문제는 그들이 WP가 다음과 같은 사실을 깨닫지 못하는 것 같다는 것이다.SIGLENGE는 어쨌든 사회 정책에 의해 서명 코드는 그것보다 더 길어질 수 없다고 말한다.나는 오늘 밤 그들의 토크 페이지에 내가 집에 컴퓨터가 있는 오늘 밤에 적절한 HTML5 호환 서명을 제안하는 메시지를 남길 것이다.{{U 기술 13}} 15:44, 2014년 11월 28일(UTC)
    서명을 크게 한 것은 미신분 파서 기능과 숨겨진 코멘트인데, 이 코멘트가 없으면 173자밖에 되지 않는다(타임스탬프만 된다.현재 시그널에 구식 HTML 부품이 포함되어 있는가?SiBr4 (대화) 17:49, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)
    • 좋아, 이제 나는 풀사이즈 화면과 키보드가 있는 집에 왔어.분명히 더비는 기본 위키 서명으로 되돌아갔고, 나는 이미 그들이 원한다면 준수하는 새로운 위키 서명으로 코드화할 수 있도록 내 서비스를 제공했다.따라서, 기본 시그널에는 더 이상 사용되지 않는 HTML 부품이 없다.:p — {{U Technical 13}} 19:55, 2014년 11월 28일(UTC)
나는 몇 년 동안 그 시그널을 사용했다(WP에 대해 전혀 알지 못했다).나중에 편집할 때 추가 형식을 전혀 인식하지 않고 SIG:NT).Anyhoo, 이제 위의 암호로 바뀌었다.건배, 더비카운틴NZ (Talk Contribs) 21:16, 2014년 11월 28일(UTC)
템플릿에 대한 편집:11월 23일의 폰트 색상으로 "부적절한" 색상이 되었다.그 전에는 완전히 확장되었다.SiBr4 (대화) 21:43, 2014년 11월 28일 (UTC)

단서봇 III

LembeBot III가 실행 중이 아님(봇 유지 관리자) 또는 이 WP 집합에서 해결된 요청을 보관하도록 템플릿을 올바르게 추가하지 않았는가?ANRFC 편집?도와줘서 고마워.{{U 기술 13} 21:40, 2014년 11월 28일(UTC)

Wikiquote에 필요한 기본 URL 도움말

우리는 Wikiquote에서 다른 텍스트가 없는 맨 URL과 링크된 URL의 확산에 대처할 수 있는 무언가를 설정하는데 도움이 필요하다. 왜냐하면 이것들은 우리의 인용구에 포함되어서는 안 되기 때문이다.나는 위키피디아가 오랫동안 이러한 문제들을 다루어 왔기 때문에 우리는 위키호테(또는 더 나은 것은 자동으로 태그를 달거나 공통적인 수정을 하기 위한 봇)에서 고쳐져야 할 필요가 있는 이러한 문제들의 목록을 설정하는 데 도움이 된다면 감사할 것이라고 나는 생각한다.건배! bd2412 T 17:50, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

@BD2412: {{Cleanup-bare URL}로 페이지를 수동으로 태그하고 Reflinks 등의 도구를 사용하여 인용 템플릿의 작성을 지원한다.나는 이런 일들 중 어느 것도 할 수 있는 위키피디아 봇을 알지 못한다.GoingBatty (토크) 2014년 11월 29일 18:15 (UTC)
@BD2412: 리프링크에 위키키코테 통합을 더할 용의가 있다.우선 테스트 버전에 실험적인 통합을 추가했는데(드롭다운 메뉴에서 "입력" 선택) 여기 도구로 편집한 예제가 있다.나는 Wikiquote에 익숙하지 않기 때문에, 당신의 요구 사항을 충족시키기 위해서는 약간의 도움이 필요하다.도구에 대한 정보는 여기에서 확인할 수 있다.내 토크 페이지에서 연락하면 돼.고마워요.자오펑[말씀] 기여...] 03:03, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
다른 테스트 편집.자오펑[말씀] 기여...] 03:15, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
고마워, 나는 너의 위키키코테 토크 페이지에 대해 논평했어.건배! bd2412 T 03:44, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

개정 이력 통계

개정 이력 통계 "링크"가 다시 다운됨--Ozzie10aaa (대화) 18:21, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

PDF 렌더러 및 Wiki 책을 사용하여 두 가지 버그 보고

모두 안녕하십니까, 위키 책과 PDF 렌더링으로 버그 2개를 신고하고 싶습니다만.

  1. 소프트웨어에 에티오피아의 글꼴이 포함되어 있지 않다고 되어 있기 때문에 PDF로 이디오피아 페이지를 렌더링할 수 없다(또는 그와 비슷한 것).
  2. 인쇄된 양식의 PDF에는 해트노트가 표시되는데, 해트노트는 서면 양식에서 별로 유용하지 않다(예: "주요 기사는...").특히 유용하지 않은 것은 책에 추가하기 위해 페이지를 방문한 다음 "이 페이지는 [x]에 관한 것..."이라고 인쇄할 때인데, 인쇄하기 위해 개인적으로 선택해야 했기 때문에 인쇄 양식으로 약간 중복된다.

브라우저는 현재 파이어폭스(32/33)이며, 며칠 전 현재 이 상태가 최신 상태였습니다.이곳이 올바른 장소였으면 좋겠다. --Tom (LT) (토크) 22:56, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

Firefox 33.1 및 IE11에서 "PDF로 다운로드" 링크를 클릭했을 때 오류가 중복됨: "문서 파일 생성 실패.상태: ! 패키지 폴리글로시아 오류:현재의 로마 글꼴에는 에티오피아 폰트가 들어 있지 않다."그러나 파이어폭스의 프린트 기능을 사용했을 때는 모든 것이 괜찮아 보였고, 해트노트 템플릿 {{}}, {{리디렉션}}은 포함되어 있지 않았다.GoingBatty (토크) 04:38, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
버그 관련 문제에 대한 자세한 내용은 다음 웹 사이트를 참조하십시오.버그 보고서기능 요청.עודדהוodOd Mishehu 20:55, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
@LT910001:새로운 버그를 열었다. 어떻게 되는지 보자.GoingBatty (토크) 23:07, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
고마워.--Tom (LT) 23:09, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

Infobox 지정학적 조직에서 Governance와 Governance를 바꿀 방법이 있는가?

정부자칭 이슬람 칼리프하이트
• 자체 선언 칼리프
아부 바크르 알바그다디 "칼리프 이브라힘"
• 현장 지휘관
아부오마르 알시샤니
• 대변인
아부 모하마드 알 아드나니

이는 이라크와 레반트가 여전히 반군 단체로 규정되어 있다는 사실을 알면 정말 도움이 될 것이다. 소식통들은 그들을 정부를 가진 것으로 묘사하지 않는다.그레그카예 세 23:41, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

이 용어는 두 가지 옵션만 있다.생략하면government_typeIraq와 Levant의 infobox에서는 "정부" 대신 "리더"라고 말할 것이다.여기 축소된 예에서는 또한 추가해야 한다.name또는membership'리더들'을 얻으려면프라임헌터 (대화) 03:40, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

내용 변환 사용

이 섹션에 따라, 우리는 위키미디어 재단에 변경을 요청할 수 있는가?그릴리다 (대화) 00:31, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

현재 베타클러스터에서 테스트되고 있는 것 같아. --Glaisher (토크) 05:57, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
네, 여기서 베타 기능으로 활성화한 후 Special(특수)으로 이동하십시오.콘텐츠그 위키에서 시험해보기 위해 번역. --Glaisher (대화) 06:01, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
내가 알기로는, 이 제안은 여기서 (진짜 enwiki에) 그것을 가능하게 하는 것이다.베타 클러스터에서는 이미 이용이 가능하기 때문에 엔위키(전혀 그렇다면)를 언제 칠 수 있을까?자오펑 리 [말하라... 기여...] 06:35, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
이미 말했듯이, 현재 테스트 중이다.광범위한 검토 및 테스트를 거친 후 운영 클러스터에 확장을 배치한다.그래서 안정 상태에 있을 때는 여기에 배치될 것으로 예상할 수 있다.@Nikerabbit and KartikMistry: ETA에 대해 알려줄 수 있을 것 같다. --Glaisher (대화) 06:49, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
그것의 인터페이스와 기능 세트가 불완전하다는 것을 알았다.그러나 당신은 또한 안전한 배치를 위해 연장이 충분히 검토되지 않았다는 것을 암시하는가?자동 번역과 같은 중요하지 않은 추가 기능을 완료하기 에 지금 제대로 테스트된 버전을 릴리스해 주시겠습니까?그릴리다 (대화) 08:41, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
아직 전쟁을 보지 못한 훈련된 군인 같다.훈련병들을 믿지만 그렇다고 신병 훈련소에서 나온 자네 팀원들을 믿는 건 아냐그는 먼저 자신을 증명할 필요가 있다.—DJ (대화기여) 13:50, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

"교육 프로그램 기사 로그" 감시 목록 링크 깨짐

내 감시 목록에 다음 항목이 있음:

  • (Education Program 기사 로그); 07:29 . . Tawetham (토크 기여 블록)은 5680023.navee의 코스 교육 프로그램 기사 목록에서 기사 Green 케미스트리를 삭제했다.마히돌대학교 국제대학/ICCH444 (2014-15 T1)

여기서 "교육 프로그램 문서 로그"는 Special에 대한 링크:로그/eparticle.이 페이지는 Performer:eparticle에 대한 "모든 공용 로그"로, 아무것도 아니다(그런 User:eparticle 등).대신 특정 로그 유형을 선택하고 Performer를 비워 두어야 하는가?아니면 다른 스페셜: EPON라인 관련 페이지가 있는가?아니면 "eparticle"이 어떤 행동 때문에 제대로 귀속되지 않는 어떤 사이비 사용자인가?DMACks(대화) 10:29, 2014년 11월 30일(UTC)

이것은 알려진 버그팩이다.T50495. 로그 유형이 유효한 로그 유형인 경우 특수:Low case l이 있는 Log/log type은 해당 로그를 표시한다.그렇지 않으면 Special과 동일하게 표시된다.Log/Logtype, 즉 "Logtype"이라는 사용자의 로그.여기서도 그렇게 되는 거야.비교 예: 특수:로그/삭제특수:유효한 로그 유형에 대해 작동하는 방식에 대한 로그/삭제프라임헌터 (토크) 11:29, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
찾아줘서 고마워/연계해줘서!DMACks(대화) 20:32, 2014년 11월 30일(UTC)

섹션 편집 링크 누락

템플릿 대화에서의 마지막 대화:인용#2014년 11월 29일 업데이트에서 발행된 섹션 편집 링크가 누락됨.어떻게 돌려받을까?

스승 (대화) 11:16, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

이것은 타의 추종을 불허하는 것에 의한 것이다.{{앞 절에서흐흐포가 방금 고쳤다.SiBr4 (대화) 11:34, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
(ec) 동의함 ;;- — HHHIPO 11:37, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)
훌륭해, 고마워.
스승 (대화) 11:38, 2014년 11월 30일 (UTC)

탐색 팝업 대 Alt 텍스트

백과사전의 사용자 인터페이스의 가장 좋은 특징 중 하나인 연어색 네비게이션 팝업('nav-pops')은 현재 검은색 알트 텍스트 풍선과 충돌하고 있다.그 검은 풍선들은 최근 업데이트 된 것으로 보인다. (최근 몇 시간 정도 동안 나는 그것들을 처음 알아차렸다; 예전에는 검은색이었던 것이 아니었다.)

를 들어, 내 감시 목록 항목의 링크 위에 커서를 놓았을 때, 내비게이션 팝은 여전히 특정 위치에서 예상대로 작동한다.그것들은 다른 탭의 기사를 편집하면서 한 탭의 여러 다른 페이지를 참조할 때 매우 유용하다.'편집 중'인 페이지를 미리 볼 때 여전히 네비팝이 보인다.

한편, 그 기사를 '읽을' 때, 내비게이션은 더 이상 나타나지 않고, 검은 풍선 문자만 나타난다.예를 들어, 내가 위키 페이지의 오른쪽 상단 모서리에 있는 텍스트 링크 위에 커서를 놓거나 왼쪽 사이드바에 있는 인터위키 링크에 커서를 놓으면 검은 풍선도 나타난다.

지난 며칠 동안, 나는 또한 하늘색 호버카드 풍선뿐만 아니라 네비팝도 알아챘지만, 검은 풍선은 최근이다.나는 Navpops를 선호하기 때문에 현재 호버카드가 없는 것은 괜찮다.그러나 검은 풍선에는 정보가 적어서 내 견해로는 개선되지 않는다.

옅은 청색의 호버카드/샐몬트 navpop/검은 풍선 동작의 산발적인 특성은 아마도 모바일 편집자를 더 잘 지원하기 위해 백과사전의 인프라에 대한 업데이트의 결과로 보인다.

아니면 웹 기반 브라우저에 기사 페이지를 표시할 때 navpop javascript가 현재 의도치 않게 오버라이드되거나 비활성화되어 있는가? --Ancheta Wise (토크 기여) 09:16, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

나는 '검은 풍선'을 생산하는 대본이나 기구는 생각나지 않는데, 그것은 최근에 소개된 것은 훨씬 더 적다.그래서 나는 당신이 당신의 개인 스크립트나 브라우저 플러그인에 사용하는 것 때문에 이것을 비난하고 싶다. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}10:54, 2014년 11월 29일(UTC)
나는 또한 네가 어떤 특징을 검은 풍선이라고 묘사하는지 확실하지 않다.특수에서 "호버카드"를 사용 가능으로 설정하셨습니까?기본 설정#mw-prefection-betafeatures?만약 그렇다면, 당신은 그것을 비활성화함으로써 당신이 원하는 것을 얻는가?프라임헌터 (대화) 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC) 13:57
2014년 11월 29일(UTC) 15시 10분 현재 "특수:검은색 배경에 흰색 텍스트가 있는 작은 상자에 있는 기본 설정"은 "검은 풍선"으로 표시되며 커서를 "특수:Preferences#mw-prefection-betafeatures"; "PrimeHunter" 링크 위에 커서를 놓으면 당신의 이름을 읽을 수 있고, 연어 색깔의 Navpops가 돌아온다!(적어도 편집하고 있을 때는 그냥 읽고 있었는데, Navpops도 나타났다.)
베타 환경설정에서 호버카드를 사용할 수 없으며, 가젯에서 탐색 팝업과 참조 도구 설명이 모두 선택되어 있다."검은 풍선"과 관련하여, 검은 배경색을 가진 툴팁: 브라우저 상단에 있는 [+] 위에 커서를 올려놓으면 "새 탭 열기"라는 것도 보여 파이어폭스 브라우저의 일부로 보인다. --Ancheta Wis (대화 기여) 15:10, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)
페이지 이름 "Special:Special(특수) 위에 있을 때 기본 설정":Preferences#mw-prefection-betafeatures, 그러나 그것은 직사각형 상자에 있는 흰색 배경에 검정색 텍스트 입니다.왜 당신에게 색이 반전되는지 모르겠지만, 그것과는 별개로, 당신이 설명한 것은 IP의 표준 툴팁과 네비게이션 팝업이나 호버카드를 활성화하지 않은 등록된 사용자들이다.위키링크의 경우, 위키피디아는 툴팁을 페이지 이름으로 설정한다.팝업과 호버카드는 그것을 무시한다.알 수 없는 이유로, 팝업은 컴퓨터에서 한동안 전체 기능을 제공하지 못했다.프라임헌터 (대화) 15:29, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)
이미지 배경을 투명하게 하는 common.css만 유지하고(그래서 이미지 주위에서 검은색이 보이지 않는다) Hedonil의 XToools를 로드하는 common.js를 언급하면 navpop이 다시 기사에 등장한다.네비팝은 워치리스트들이 이용할 수 있었다.필자에게 이는 XTool이 기사 로드를 완료할 때 현재 결코 새로 고침을 완료하지 못하는 자원을 소비하고 있으며, 감시 목록 디스플레이에는 이러한 부담이 없다는 것을 의미한다.추측을 해 보면, 문제의 데이터 피드는 편집 카운터에서 나오는 것이다. --Ancheta Wise (토크 기여) 21:31, 2014년 11월 29일 (UTC)

Firefox 33에서 개발자 콘솔(선택된 네트워크 타이밍)을 하반부에 실행하십시오.맨 위, XTools 로딩과 함께 Nesterious 시스템을 실행한 결과,

적재시간
방법 파일 도메인 타자를 치다 사이즈를 맞추다 밀리세컨드
200 GET 신경계 en.wikipedia.org html 244.61KB 806
200 GET 250px-TE-Nervous_system_diagram.svg upload.wikimedia.org png 73.5KB 443
200 GET 32px-Neuro_logo.png upload.wikimedia.org png 4.03KB 90
200 GET 400px-Neuron_Hand-tuned.svg.png upload.wikimedia.org png 41.33KB 485
200 GET 450px-NSdiagram.svg.png upload.wikimedia.org png 45.34KB 504
200 GET 200px-visible_휴먼_head_slice.jpg upload.wikimedia.org jpeg 20.94KB 516
200 GET 220px-Byamethian-plan.svg.png upload.wikimedia.org png 6.75KB 357
200 GET 125px-Gray797.png upload.wikimedia.org png 41.5KB 1322
200 GET 45px-Gnome-searchtool.svg.png upload.wikimedia.org png 3.28KB 1130
200 GET 250px-지렁이_네버ous_system.png upload.wikimedia.org png 35.58KB 1399
200 GET 250px-스파이더_internal_anatomy-en.svg upload.wikimedia.org png 54.94KB 1760
200 GET 350px-화학_synapse_schema_cro... upload.wikimedia.org jpeg 75.37KB 2240
200 GET 400px-Synapse_Illustration_unlabeled... upload.wikimedia.org png 39.43KB 2660
200 GET load.php?false&false=en&laugh... bits.wikimedia.org css 88.14KB 926
200 GET 400px-—Nervous_system_organization_e... upload.wikimedia.org png 84.40KB 2527
200 GET 250px-회색 17.png upload.wikimedia.org png 104.54KB 2212
200 GET 425px-Development_of_the_neural_tube... upload.wikimedia.org png 97.87KB 2438
200 GET 16px-Wikibooks-logo-en-noslogan.svg upload.wikimedia.org png 0.91KB 2018
200 GET index.php?title-MediaWiki:Gadget-popup... en.wikipedia.org js 246.52KB 2532
200 GET index.php?title-MediaWiki:Gadget-citation... en.wikipedia.org js 2.52KB 1343
200 GET index.php?title-MediaWiki:Gadget-extern... en.wikipedia.org js 2.50KB 1356
200 GET Special:RecordImpression?country=U... meta.wikimedia.org png 0KB 387
200 GET index.php?title=User:Hedonil/XTools/XTools... meta.wikimedia.org js 1.35KB 439
504 GET api.php?pageid=21944&db&enwiki&nsid... tools.wmflabs.org html 0.17KB 600536

For the last line of the table,

DNS resolution: 0 ms
Connecting: 257 ms
Sending: 0 ms
Waiting: 600536 ms
Receiving: 0 ms

24 requests, 1,309.62KB, 606.03 sec

XTools, hovercard and navpop all displaying. This doesn't always happen!

It appears that the tools server is carrying a heavy burden for its size? Is there a way to share its burden with other machines? --Ancheta Wis (talk contribs) 04:17, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Reported to Phabricator T76297 --Ancheta Wis (talk contribs) 17:53, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I am using both, and they don't collide (much): hoverecards are on the left, popups on the right. Neither is black. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus reply here 04:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The black tooltips are probably from my environment, and yes, there can be occasions when both hovercards and navpops work, ... but not always. --Ancheta Wis (talk contribs) 13:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
In File:Both hovercard and navpop.png, the upper balloon (blue border) there is not Hovercards, it's Reference Tooltips, which is at PreferencesGadgets as "(D) Reference Tooltips: hover over inline citations to see reference information without moving away from the article text (does not work if "Navigation popups" is enabled above)". The lower balloon (yellow border) is indeed Navigation popups ("Navigation popups: article previews and editing functions pop up when hovering over links"). --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

"Connection interrupted", and similar issues

A colleague has posted the following onto my talk page. I'm stuck for an answer, but hope that someone here can help:

whenever I try to use the WP search box to go to an article, I get "Connection interrupted" and have to log in again. The same thing happens when I click on a TOC heading to find a section, or if I click on a citation number to locate the reference in the text. But other wikilinks are working perfectly normally, and there are no problems with external links. Having to find ways round these constant interruption is time-consuming and annoying, makes article reviewing difficult and source reviews impossible. It's hard to understand so selective a disfunction – have you any ideas as to how I might overcome it?

If you are able to provide any help he and I woud be most appreciative. – SchroCat (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Which browser and which browser version is this about? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Share this [in social media]

Looking at articles like this one, I see in the top right corner the "Share this [in social media]" link, with a collapsible list. How is this achieved (template link, please)? And - why is this not a basic feature for all mainspace articles?? As the Signpost article shows, it's clearly not a "technical can't do" issue. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus reply here 04:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

It's in this page. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
As for why it is not a basic feature, see Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Share pages on Facebook, Twitter etc.. SiBr4 (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it's more a navel staring issue :) When it comes to social media, we are like old librarians telling kids not to use the Internet. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Translation of the user interface

Hello everybody, i am currently working at hywiki (Armenian Wikipedia). For easier usage i switched to German language for Wiki user interface. Unfortunately, not all items are translated. Even the top one "Main page" stays in Armenian letters. Can someone tell me where these translations are located and if i can improve them? Is it done at one place for all wikis or is it something needed to discuss at hywiki? Thanks in advance, --Aschroet (talk) 15:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@Aschroet: The translations are per-wiki. See hy:Special:AllMessages and the same list, but in German. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Some of the interface messages are from the MediaWiki software and come with translations in many languages. Other messages are created on a per-wiki basis and would have to be translated there in the MediaWiki namespace (which can only be edited by administrators), but that rarely happens. You appear to especially be interested in the sidebar. That is made with code in hy:MediaWiki:Sidebar. I don't know why the mainpage entry was changed in [28] but if that edit is reverted then I think you will automatically get the translations which come with the MediaWiki software and can be seen (and changed if wanted) at hy:MediaWiki:mainpage/de (German), hy:MediaWiki:mainpage/en (English) and so on. IP's and users with the default language setting hy would get hy:MediaWiki:mainpage which says "Գլխավոր էջ". I don't know Armenian but that is what the link already says now so the suggested revert seems OK to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Anti Link Spam/soapboxing tools?

Hello, I was directed here by a teahouse host For my Question, As I am wondering, Is There a tool to detect Link Spam Or Soapboxing via Links? Thanks,

Happy_Attack_Dog (Throw Me a Bone) 15:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

How does one provide evidence of a user's deleted contribs?

For example, Special:Contributions/Die-yng. If I wished to take that 16:45, 6 November 2014 redacted edit to Talk:Brianna Wu and present it to someone else, how does one do that? There's no diff since it has been rev-deleted? Just linking to a short edit history like this editor works here, but not with one with an extensive edit history. I feel like I'm missing something simple here, on how to do this. Tarc (talk) 18:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

You can still link to it just like any other diff - go to a revision either side of the deleted one, move forward or back as appropriate and you'll see something like this. Obviously you won't be able to see the content, but you can see the entry in the page's history this way. – Reticulated Spline (tc) 19:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Education Program article log on watchlist

How do I switch these off? I have this example:

  • (Education Program article log); 18:28 . . Courtpm21 (talk contribs) added article T. Hayes Hunter to their list of articles at course Education Program:University of Massachusetts Amherst/Race, Gender and the Sitcom (Fall 2014)

How do I stop these from showing on my watchlist? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this the same issue as #"Education Program article log" watchlist link broken? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure TBH. This is some sort of log that triggers on the watchlist, similar to if a new page is reviewed, or page protection is added to an article. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 20:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
This is yet another type of education program log, but one that isn't even listed at special:log, as noted above. They should not show up in article logs but instead in the EP page's log, so bug filled. Cenarium (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 125#turning off Education Program article log was also about this but no bug was apparently filed then. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Targeted vandalism prevention?

Is there a way to prevent an edit to an article from even being saved if it contains a particular phrase? I've been dealing with a repeat IP- and username-hopping vandal who keeps adding the same nonsense over and over to the same article. It would be nice if the system itself could be set by admins to just prevent the whole mess rather than dealing with page protection and whack-a-mole blocking. postdlf (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure there is, Wikipedia:Edit filter. Cenarium (talk) 21:52, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I've never worked with those before. I've posted a request so those who are more code savvy in this area can hopefully set it up. Any advice on what makes requests of this sort tend to be denied or accepted? postdlf (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn has created one. I would say it depends on the increase in processing time it generates, the ability to catch enough of the intended edits while keeping false positives low, and the available alternatives. Cenarium (talk) 23:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to respond. Cheers, postdlf (talk) 23:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

My DraftHeader template

I created User:Technical 13/SandBox/DraftHeader ...

... 8 years ago in the interest of making it easier for new users (and experienced users alike) to make it easier to keep track of and create new drafts (of multiple types). Since we are pushing the 18 month mark, I'm wondering if this template which hasn't been advocated for anywhere except a few additions to user sandboxes for them to resolve questions on WP:THQ and a request for transwikification to the Bengali Wikipedia that is used on 27 pages by 24 editors on two projects should be moved to the Template: namespace and added to some of the Category:Welcome templates to help more new editors. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki links link in German yet not in Italian using same format.

As everyone can see the following interwiki link does work in German Thomaskirche, yet it does not work in its Italian version when I place it on the redlinks for the English page for Villa del Poggio Imperiale. The links are "coded" into the English article for the Villa and print out as redlinks rather than giving the Italian interwiki link page to the 2 existing Italian biographies which are interwiki linked. The same double-curly bracket format does work on the J. S. Bach page (in the Leipzig section) when connecting to the German links to "Thomaskirche". Has anyone encountered this interwiki situation differing for German compared to Italian interwiki links (the German link works and the Italian link does not)? FelixRosch (TALK) 18:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Your post is unclear to me but you seem to have some fundamental misunderstandings. An interwiki link is a link to another wiki. See Help:Interwiki linking. {{lang de [[St. Thomas Church, Leipzig Thomaskirche]]}} is not an interwiki link. It's a use of the template {{lang}}. It links to the wiki you are already at. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I changed both of them to use {{ill}} which generated a Interlanguage link for the first. The second there was already a redirect for the person to a section of another article for that name, who I believe is the person. When articles for both people are created in the enwiki, everything with sort itself out since we are using the ill template.Naraht (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

{{single notice}} not appearing

Hello.

I am posting here to report that for an unexplained reason, the {{single notice}} template is not appearing on the page Template:Uw-botun. Can somebody please look into this? Thanks. 2602:304:59B8:6639:C5F4:2D05:4E99:820B (talk) 23:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

</includeonly> was removed in [29] so there is now an unclosed <includeonly>. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Give rate limited move-subpages and supressredirect-new-self to autoconfirmed users

I suggest to give to all autoconfirmed users the move-subpages userright, but rate limited, meaning the moved subpages are included in the rate limit for moves, which is 8 per minute here. So autoconfirmed users could not move more than 7 subpages. I think this should be modified in mediawiki core (not just for en.wp). Administrators and bots having no rate limits, they could still move up to 100 subpages. (As a side note, this would also apply to account creators, but the solution here should be to give them noratelimit-account instead, as with T76050.) I also suggest to allow all autoconfirmed users to move a page without creating a redirect when it has been recently created and they are the unique contributor. This could also be modified in mediawiki core. Comments ? Cenarium (talk) 12:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Please, explain for what purpose an average autoconfirmed you may need move-subpages userright? Ruslik_Zero 11:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
For moving templates, with their doc and other subpages, and pages with talk archives. Some other projects may have more specific uses. This will save them the clicks and time without any additional risk since the rate limit is respected, so I just don't feel that restricting this is necessary in any way. Cenarium (talk) 12:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I couldn't comment specifically on the need on enwiki as I have never found the need to move a subpage, but as a core feature it would certainly help Wikibooks where all books are structured as subpages under a main page. Therefore when a book title is changed it is necessary to move lots of pages one by one... QuiteUnusual (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
It sure would be useful there, and if the rate limit of eight per minute is too restrictive, it could be increased a bit, and set even higher for reviewers. I've suggested using the rate limit for this reason too, easy to vary it depending on usergroup. Cenarium (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Proposed at Wikibooks:Wikibooks:Reading_room/General#Give_rate_limited_move-subpages_.28and_supressredirect-new-self.29_to_autoconfirmed_users. Cenarium (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I've filed a bug to allow autoconfirmed users to move without leaving a redirect pages they have recently created, T76266, and another one to make move-subpages rate limited and grant it to autoconfirmed, T76263. Cenarium (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Both ideas sound good to me. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 06:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

XTools and Supercount

Right now, accessing it gives this error: "No webservice The URI you have requested, [URL you tried to request] is not currently serviced." Meanwhile, Supercount gives this error: "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 524288000 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 64 bytes) in /data/project/supercount/public_html/core.php on line 513 Call Stack: 0.0058 1304128 1. {main}() /data/project/supercount/public_html/index.php:0 0.6314 2665736 2. API->get_stats() /data/project/supercount/public_html/index.php:145" The people maintaining these tools have been rather inactive lately. Now what? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed. I know that there have been problems with XTools lately, but I haven't heard anything about Supercount. APerson (talk!) 03:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I suggest reporting this directly to one of the maintainers. I know that Cyberpower678 is on a wikibreak right now, but I'm pretty sure that TParis is a maintainer also and is around to take a look. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 03:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
    • @Technical 13: See User talk:Hedonil. According to a message on the aforementioned page, apparently TParis is no longer involved with the tools; nevertheless, I'll go and contact him .Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 03:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
      • I was a maintainer but as I am retiring soon, I asked to be removed from the tools. Looks like that request has been made effective and I cannot access them any longer. Sorry folks.--v/r - TP 04:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • In case anyone is not aware. I'm silently active. Just message me. It's fixed.—cyberpower OfflineMerry Christmas 12:51, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
@C678: When I try X! Edit Counter, I get "Notice: Again issues with Tool Labs databases after db maintenance. Some wiki's won't work. Sorry about that!". Your continued assistance would be appreciated. GoingBatty (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
That's a site notice. If it works, ignore it. If you notice high execution times being printed on the page, that's what it's talking about. In any event tool lab users have no control over that. They can just helplessly stand by and wait.—cyberpowerOfflineMerry Christmas 20:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
@C678: Still not working for me. I still get the "No webservice: The URI you have requested, /xtools/ec/?user=K6ka&project=en.wikipedia.org, is not currently serviced." message. --I am k6kaTalk to me!See what I have done 22:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I asked about it on IRC, and the webservice has been restarted by Yuvipanda. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 08:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit notices @ VE

Has anybody thought what to do with editnotices, when people are editing using VisualEditor? If somebody doesn't know, then - if you are editing with VisualEditor, then you don't see any editnotices. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit notices work just fine with VisualEditor. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, sorry. I just picked some random BLP and saw that BLP notice isn't showing. Then everything is fine :) --Edgars2007(talk/contribs) 11:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Not entirely fine in fact, since indeed the notices added by mediawiki:common.js, i.e. the BLP editnotice and disambiguation editnotice (or editintros to be accurate) do not show there, this should be fixed at some point. Cenarium (talk) 12:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I believe you're talking about this known request. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
While we're on the subject, I'd like to get up on my soapbox again and say that we have a problem with the desktop-focused formatting of many editnotices. When you look at things like {{TFA-editnotice}} in a smartphone-wide screen, half of the screen (vertically) may be blank, because the icon is placed in its own column, regardless of how awkward that is on the screen. It would be better if the text wrapped around the image (similar to a drop cap). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Example, Education Program:Example, Topic:Example and their talk pages

For the sake of demonstrating templates such as {{lm}}, {{lep}}, {{ltp}}, etc, could these pages be created with the following content, please?:

[...:Example page]:

{{Namespace example page}}  [[Category:Namespace example pages]] 

[accompanying talk page]:

{{Namespace example page}} 

Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Education Program and Topic (Flow) are not normal wiki pages; it would be possible to do this for the MediaWiki space. — xaosflux Talk 13:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your response. For the time being, I've disabled examples that link to these pages. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Inability to select on Diacritics(?) in Category:Redirects from Unicode characters

When I view Category:Redirects from Unicode characters on the second page, starting 10 entries down on the third column, the entries become unclickable/selectable. This continues onto the third page. These appear to be the ones that run from wiki/%CC%80 to /wiki/%CD%AC which appear to be the diacritics. I'm using Windows 7 SP1 and Chrome 38.0.2125.111. Naraht (talk) 20:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

That's very odd. I get the same problem in Safari 6 on Mac 10.8.5, so it's probably affecting everyone. I'm not sure who the best contact is for something so basic in categories. Perhaps User:AKlapper (WMF) could suggest a dev to contact. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Left a message for him. My bet is that the link created has to have something so that the diacritic won't automatically combine with the following character (take a look at that page source)Naraht (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Naraht: I cannot suggest a dev (mw:Developers/Maintainers provides a list) but you could file a bug report under the "MediaWiki-Categories" project in mw:Phabricator. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Bug Report filed.Naraht (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
i do not think it's specific to categories: this link to the redirect page will get you to the redirected article with a sub-header " redirected from ̀ ". normally, you can click the sub-header to get to the redirect page, but in this case, it's not clickable. simply placing the grave accent diacritic within square double-braces, like so: ̀ is also not clickable (and sometimes, such as in edit window, it's not even visible). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Showing both new and unregistered users in recent changes

Is there, as I believe, no way to show both new (non-autoconfirmed registered) users and unregistered users in recent changes or watchlists ? We can show only IPs in RC, and on the other hand we have special:contribs/newbies, but what if one wants both at the same time ? Cenarium (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

It would seem that special:contribs/newbies uses another definition for 'new' than non-autoconfirmed, is it one month old or something like that ? Cenarium (talk) 12:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I think it's three weeks. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I am thinking of requesting a show/hide autoconfirmed users option in recent changes and watchlists. Newbies contribs doesn't look much used, I wonder if it shouldn't be deprecated in favor of this. Cenarium (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
It's "users with user id within 1% of the current maximum user id, excluding users with the 'bot' right".[30]Anomie 12:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reference. It makes sense to have a definition adapted to the rate of new registrations at the wiki in question. I've added this at Help:User contributions#Contributions by new users. Cenarium (talk) 13:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit sections not displaying on portal

See Portal:Christmas Where some subsections include an correctly-formatted "edit" section in the transcluded subpages but others have a malformed "[{{fullurl:{{{2}}} action=edit}} edit]" I can't figure out why. Can someone help? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Some work was done on {{Random portal component}} which was not fully tested. I reverted for now and the portal should display fine. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
It appears that that template's internal Lua module fails to pass the name of the randomly chosen subpage through to the formatting template Portal:Christmas/box-header. Maybe someone more familiar with Lua than I am could take a look at the module. SiBr4 (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Pinging Mr. Stradivarius. He wrote the module. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 11:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
What's unusual about Portal:Christmas is that the "header" parameters contain equals signs once the {{/Font}} has been expanded. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
So is that a fault in the module, or the portal? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 13:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
@Edokter: The module. If my hunch is correct, then the line that formats the call to the box-header template should be changed from "%s %s" to "1=%s 2=%s". But I've never written or debugged any LUA code. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, my code from a year ago wasn't the greatest. John of Reading is right - if any parameters containing equals signs are passed to the template invocations in the module, then anything before the equals sign will be interpreted as a parameter name. To fix this, we could prefix the parameters with 1= and 2=, etc., but it would be better to use frame:expandTemplate as it is faster and it deals with equals signs automatically. I'll have a look at the code tomorrow when I have a bit more time. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 15:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I've rewritten the module and restored the template to the Lua version. Portal:Christmas is now displaying fine. Let me know if you spot any other problems. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Tossed out of login onto a page for Wikipedia fund raising

In the middle of going from one article to another, I was completely thrown out of my login to a Wikipedia fund raising banner. I have "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" already clicked on my gadget preferences, so I guess this is their way of getting around it. I like to think this was a momentary glitch that won't happen again. — Maile (talk) 21:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Maile66: Whenever you retrieve any page anywhere in Wikimedia, whether it be Wikipedia, Commons, Wikidata, etc., your login cookie is sent along with the http or https request. This happens for every page that you visit, even if you are staying within English Wikipedia and merely follow a link to another article. If for some reason that cookie doesn't get through (perhaps it was corrupted en route), you're treated as being logged out until the Wikimedia servers successfully receive your login cookie at a subsequent page request. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Highlight redirects: vector.js

Hello. Is there a code for users vector.js that can highlights the redirects links on a page? Xaris333 (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Xaris333, see User:Anomie/linkclassifier. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 04:11, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Redirect links are styled with the class "mw-redirect". So you just need to put something like this in your vector.css (not js):
    Put a redirection arrow to the right of redirect links:
    .mw-redirect:after { content: "↳"; }
    Color the redirect links in green:
    .mw-redirect { color: green; }

You can highlight the links with any style you want. Darkdadaah (talk) 09:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Darkdadaah, many thanks!! Xaris333 (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Different colour for article text and markup text

Is there an existing gadget or add-on that I can use to display article text in the edit window in a different colour than the references, templates, categories, etc.? (It would make editing long articles a lot simpler, I think.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 04:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, just enable the Syntax highlighter gadget (under the Editing section). Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 04:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Zhaofeng Li! --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Criteria clarifications...

I need your help in setting the criteria for the script to make it as useful as possible, please see Criteria clarifications... on the WikiProject Orphan talk page. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 18:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Detect whether any <ref>erences on page..?

Is there a way for a page to detect whether it includes any <ref>...</ref>s..?

Curiously, {{str len {{reflist}}}} yielded "111" here; perhaps that always occurs..? (It explains, though, why {{#ifeq:{{reflist}} ... ...}} doesn't work.)

Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

{{str len {{reflist}}}} gives 111 because the template outputs 111 characters (the HTML). You cannot query the length of any wikitags like <references /> because they are generated outside the page context. Only JavaScript could do what you want, but why? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 13:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the explanation; it hadn't occurred to me that it'd be length of {{reflist}}'s code when converted to HTML. As to why, I could divulge the reason, but then I'd have to (etc). Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:30, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
    This sort of thing in general will never be possible to do within the parser. The reason is that changing one part of a page (such as by adding a reference) shouldn't be able to affect how other parts of the page are preprocessed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to take a SWAG that T33597 might be of interest. -- Gadget850 talk 21:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Sardanaphalus, depending on how you need to retrieve this information (for a template? for a userscript? for some other purpose?) it can be retrieved. If you are using it for a javascript userscript, you can get the wikitext of a template and search for the tag in some fashion. An example of using the API to get the wikitext of a page is this example. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 06:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
    Thanks for suggesting; I was wondering whether it'd be possible within wikicode/HTML (i.e. without relying on the installation of a script, etc) in order to guide action taken by a template. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
There was some discussion on IRC about this. To answer some questions there, there's no way to get the final parsed HTML from Lua, and there's no way to detect whether a page uses references. For various reasons that have been discussed at length before, neither of these features can be added. However, depending on the use case for them, it may be possible to integrate the desired functionality into mw:Extension:Cite directly. @Sardanaphalus: Can you please describe the use case? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Not something major; it would've been for a template to decide whether to add a heading and/or (e.g.) {{reflist}} to pages such as template testcases pages. Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Via email or on one of our talk pages if you want a little more privacy due to WP:BEANS concerns for some reason. Thanks. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 18:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Severe problems with log-in

I am currently having very severe problems with my log-in on both Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. It started happening suddenly yesterday afternoon. The exact same thing happened six (correction, three) months ago, and back then this problem went on for at least 2 weeks before it got better by degrees spontaneously. Here is what is happening:

I am on a Mac with OS X Yosemite, version 10.10.1.

I am losing my logged-in status, AND MY PASSWORD VALIDITY, numerous times each hour. Every time I open a new window, go to another site, or even just go away from the computer for 20 minutes and then click back in again, the software drops my log-in. Then my current password no longer works to log me back in, so I have to request a temporary password and then create a NEW PASSWORD, again and again and again every few minutes that I am working here.

This is extremely difficult and extremely time-consuming, but the previous time this happened I couldn't find anyone who had any idea what could be causing this or had any idea how to fix it. I was using Safari yesterday, but I just now switched to Firefox to see if that would make a difference: it didn't.

If you have a concrete suggestion, please reply to me via email as well as here, because using the site is very difficult for me right now. I very much appreciate any insight you might have or any idea as to what to do next, Invertzoo (talk) 12:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Previous thread was Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 130#Problems logging in (three months ago, not six). --Redrose64 (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, do you have any potential solutions to offer? I don't need to reread old discussions! Editing via IP because this website has invalidated my bloody password AGAIN! Invertzoo 104.156.240.157 (talk) 17:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

NOTE: The reply above this was not written by me. I am currently still logged in OK and will not be leaving messages from any IP address. Invertzoo (talk) 22:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't have any practical solutions. My addition of a link above was not directed specifically at you, but intended to assist others - those who may be able to help; they might first need to read up on the background to this. It's surely better for one person having found the previous thread to advertise that, than to expect everybody else to conduct their own searches - that's if they are aware that there was a previous discussion on this page. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I am going to go on a limb here and guess you have an failing hard drive. If your hard disk or computer is younger than 10 years old, you should be able to check that quite easily. There are two ways to do that. Firstly, when you go to Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility, click on your drive, what is written next to "S.M.A.R.T. status" at the bottom of the screen? Secondly, have you gotten errors like "S.M.A.R.T has predicted that it will fail" or "S.M.A.R.T Status BAD, Backup and replace" when you have turned on your computer in the past 3 months? --Snaevar (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
It certainly sounds like a problem on your computer and not at Wikipedia. Until you use a temporary password, the old one should continue to be valid. Do you get the message "Incorrect password entered. Please try again." when the login fails? Have you tried the same password on another computer after getting that message? Does it work at least once if you log in at a new Wikimedia wiki, for example es: after the login fails here? Do you have any browser extensions which are enabled in both Safari and Firefox? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

The desktop computer I am working on is less than a year old, and so I very much doubt that the hard drive is failing, but I will check as you suggested. And yes, I have tried the same thing on my laptop, and I have the exact same problem there too, which seems to indicate it is not my machine that is at fault. I have not tried logging in on another Wikimedia wiki. I will find out if I have any browser extensions enabled. Thanks for your interest and for your suggestions. Once again, I did not write the rude reply that appeared further up this thread. Invertzoo (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I've been having the same problem, and couldn't get in at all earlier today. It's been happening on and off for a few weeks. The sequence is this: on the log-in in page I enter my password, then there's a quick processing/refresh/something and the password in the password field disappears. Then there's a lag of up to 30 seconds or longer. Sometimes after the lag, i get logged in. Sometimes I have to try again. Last night, after the lag I kept getting a screen telling me to change my password. But I didn't want to change my password and after the second try noticed the tabs were visible at the top of the page, so clicked watchlist and it appeared without having to change the password. Same thing his morning, but now everything is normal. I'm on a Mac, OS 10.7.5, running Safari 6.1.6. Hope this is helpful. Victoria (tk) 23:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

My problem sounds rather different from yours. Whatever my last or most recent password is, is no longer recognized as being valid. There is no time lag, and I can get in just fine if I click "forget your password?" and get a temporary password and then change my password. Invertzoo (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: Right now I do not have the problem any more. Let's hope it stays that way! Invertzoo (talk) 00:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

It's still OK this morning; let's hope it stays that way! Thanks everyone who tried to help me diagnose the problem. It went away by itself without my doing anything. Invertzoo (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Alphabetical

I used to have a coding in my script for a browsing option of articles in alphabetical order on wikipedia with an article at the top left and top right at the top of the page with an arrow. So when you visit an article the next one forward and last one in the A-Z index appear. There was a line arrow under each article either side at the top whenever you hit a wiki page for clicking forward or backwards Can somebody remind me of the coding?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this the same q that you asked at User talk:Redrose64#Alpha? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Did somebody steal your brain Redrose? :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the link to the discussion on your user talk, Redrose64. It certainly looks like it should be User:PleaseStand/prevnext.js which doesn't appear to do anything for me when I try to run it from the console, and I'm guessing it is because it is using methods no longer supported or it is conflicted by one of my other gadgets I have enabled. I have no way of seeing what User:PleaseStand/wikiapi.js because it is deleted, could I get an administrator reading this (perhaps Redrose64) to please restore the contents of that deleted page to User:Technical 13/SandBox/wikiapi.js and then put importScript('User:Technical 13/SandBox/wikiapi.js');//JavaScript redirect on User:PleaseStand/wikiapi.js, so I may see what it was and perhaps improve it to make it useful again? Dr. Blofeld, I could probably repair the issues with the prevnext script if there is interest in having that available. Let me know. Thank you. Input from PleaseStand may be useful here as well. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 22:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Basically something which allows you to browse Special:AllPages/Aa for instance and when you visit the Aaadonta fuscozonata article at the top of the page the left option with an arrow is Aaadonta constricta and the right one Aaadonta irregularis in alpha browsing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:35, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld: Fixed. The problem was that the script was using the deprecated hookEvent() function, which now does nothing. It also used a non-protocol-relative URL for the CSS stylesheet.
As for wikiapi.js, it was deleted because it was merged into the prevnext.js script. Now MediaWiki provides a "mediawiki.api" module that does more or less the same thing. PleaseStand (talk) 08:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, it works now. Cheers, have a good Christmas all!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit Count widget??

I wanted to use Phabricator for this, but I couldn't get my unified log-in stuff squared away......so, any-hoo: At the bottom of each 'User Contributions' page, there is a list of little widgets. One of my long-time favorites has been 'Edit count'......right on schedule, this "breaks" about every two years. I think whoever invented it and put it at Meta forgets about it. I love the pie chart, etc. that it generates!! Can someone please look at it and see if they can get it unconstipated? It's broken again, and just runs and runs and runs but doesn't do anything...... --Bddmagic (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bddmagic: Have a look at the first section on this page. --NeilNtalk to me 15:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
OK, well at least that sheds a bit of light on things. I'm not the only one who has noticed! --Bddmagic (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Should this link be hidden until the counter is fixed? Or should a note be added stating that it's broken, with a link to the appropriate discussion? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Problem with rendering a book

I have been trying to render my book but it keeps on failing It comes up with this message "Generation of the document file has failed. Status: Rendering process died with non zero code: 1" Heres a link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerpetuaLux/Books/The_Codex_-_Physics Any help would be appreciated, I run on Ubuntu 14.04 and Mozilla Firefox 34.0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerpetuaLux (talkcontribs) 22:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Both the Letter and A4 variants generated fine for me (Windows 10, Firefox 33; although I doubt that matters as the actual rendering is done server-side). Have you tried using a different browser and/or OS? – Reticulated Spline (tc) 15:54, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

sparatic links

At the bottom of my Talk Page (under == .. =) is certain links that I can not get rid of. I have tried everything. Any ideas how to remove those links? Thanks for the technical help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean the references now at User talk:Doug Coldwell#New Hamborough 2? They were automatically displayed at the bottom before because there was no {{reflist}} or similar telling where to display them. I added {{Reflist-talk}} PrimeHunter (talk) 23:22, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

What's the point of div class="usermessage"? The orange banner disappears instantly.

When I try this code

&lt;div class="usermessage plainlinks"&gt;[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Basemetal&action=edit&section=new To leave a message click here]&lt;/div&gt;

the orange banner containing the link a user is to click to leave me a message disappears instantly. It's like an orange flash and it's gone. So what exactly is the point?

The following of course does work

&lt;div class="plainlinks"&gt;[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Basemetal&action=edit&section=new To leave a message click here]&lt;/div&gt;

but I'd like to understand why the other piece of code doesn't.

Also where in the WP doc do I find information on the parameters for that div class HTML "thing" (whatever it's called)?

Thanks

Contact Basemetal here 21:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

  • It's used by mw:Manual:Skinning#User_message_.28newtalk.29. I'm not sure what else you have going on. I'll post some stuff on your talk page to help you figure it out though. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 21:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
  • It's being hidden by the 'topalert' gadget that you have enabled, supposedly "just in case". I think that line can be safely removed. Matma Rex talk 22:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Ahh! Very good Matma Rex. In that case all you need to do Basemetal to show that section for you is to add a line to your common.js:
$( '.usermessage' ).show(); 
Happy editing! — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 23:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks guys. It worked. Contact Basemetal here 19:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I've updated the gadget so it no longer hides the usermessage class. Legoktm (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit Tools

It's been a few weeks since the CharInsert toolbar has vanished from my edit box. At first I thought it may have been just some kind of glitch but it seems not to be. Maybe it has to do with the push to simplify the edit window; simplification is great but not when you're throwing useful stuff out. Perhaps there the idea that it was redundant was floating around; the idea is would be false. It was very useful. It was more comprehensive and less cumbersome than the edit box at the top. Where did it go? Jimp 05:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

See the Wiki mark-ups are missing section above. Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 08:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
So yeah, you broke it yourself with this change. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 10:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Jimp 16:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Circumventing asynchronous script loading on Mediawiki

I have a script I've written on Commons which a lot of users load into their myskin.js file. It has a global function defined which I would like users to be able to call with their custom script. However, it appears the importScript function loads scripts asynchronously, and as such users are getting an error message: “ReferenceError: (my function) is not defined." (Background)

How can users force their custom script to load only after my script has finished loading? Magog the Ogre (tc) 03:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps the easiest way to do this is if your script triggers a custom event (for instance on the body tag) once it's been loaded. Users can then in their own file, which does the importScriptURI, put code that depends on your script into a handler for that event. In other words, they'd do in their myskin.js:
$('body').on('magogs_script_is_ready', function(e) {   // Code that depends on your script here }); importScriptURI('//commons.wikimedia.org/....'); // Wherever your script lives 
and your script would do, once it's ready to be used, $('body').trigger('magogs_script_is_ready');. Optionally, you could even pass data with that event. Or perhaps the ResourceLoader's mw.loader.using() could be enhanced to work not only with module names but also with URLs. (Or does it already? I didn't check lately.) Lupo 06:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • JavaScript is asynchronous by nature. ResourceLoader has a mechanism to circumvent this using dependencies, but that is not available for scripts loaded throuhg importScript or importScriptURI(which are just aliases for mw.loader.load). The only reliable method to ensure synchronous execution in this case is by using a callback, which is way less clunky then Lupo's suggestion above (no offense intended). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
    Out of curiosity: a callback from what? At least mw.loader.load() doesn't take a callback as far as I see. Lupo 12:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Something else that you can use is MWiki's hook system. mw.hook('gadget.name.subpart').add( callback ) and mw.hook('gadget.name.subpart').fire( params, to, feed, to, callback ) That is a formalized 'MW'-way to trigger events and add callbacks to those events. mw.hook('wikipage.content') for instance is fired whenever wiki content is added to a page (VE, live preview or just initial page load). None of all that are formalized dependencies, those are only available to resource loader and gadgets so far. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
an alternative is to use jQuery getScript()[31]. you will need to give your users the full url of the script (including the "ctype" at the end). it should look something like so (this example loads navpop from enwiki and then does something once it finish loading):
var url = '//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-popups.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'; // assuming myFunc() you want to call once navpop is loaded and executed) $.getScript(url, myFunc); // of course, you can place the code directly inside the getScript() call, using anonymous function, like so: $.getScript(url, function() {     // do your thing }); 
peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't recommend using getScript for this because although it works in most browsers, the documentation clearly states that "The callback is fired once the script has been loaded but not necessarily executed" [32] and I've had bugs in some browsers because of that in the past. Also, getScript() disables caching of the script file. You can use $.ajax() with cache: true instead, but that still leaves the first problem. --V111P (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
You generally try to avoid this problem by letting users set some variables before calling importScript() (e.g.: var magogCleanup_fast = true; and var magogCleanupFunctions = [["customFn", function () {/* ... */}, "My custom function"]];) and then when your script loads you read these variables and do whatever is appropriate. --V111P (talk) 00:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you everyone for your responses. I've gone with TheDJ's answer. Magog the Ogre (tc) 16:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

How does sthe watchlist work?

This is mostly just curiosity, but what happens when I check my watchlist? Does the server have to call every page on it to see if they've been updated each time I check it? I feel bad about checking it often if large watchlists use up lots of server resources. --Cerebellum (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about it... The database contains a special "recent changes" table, which is automatically updated whenever a page is edited. Your watchlist checks this table to look for changed pages. This is quite an efficient process. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 00:22, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Watchlists also get handled by a separate DB server, so checking your watchlist won't impact the rest of the site. Bawolff (talk) 19:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

eMail

I am having problems with my personalised eMail account, me@thomassales.com. Wikipedia has stopped sending me eMails for pages on my watchlist that have been edited. I tried sending it to another account (my SCOLA eMail account), which received eMails fine, but when I tried to reset the registered eMail address on here no confirmation eMail was sent. I had similar issues with my previous, Overton Grange School eMail address of sales002k@suttonlea.org on Wikia. I need to hand my laptop to my local computer repairman because of a battery fault so I'll ask him to see if this is an issue at their end, but I want to see if there is a problem here. (If anyone needs to get into it, the log in page is webmail.easyspace.com and the password is the same as my Wikipedia account password.)--Launchballer 11:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Launchballer: We don't know your Wikipedia password, and can't find it out even if we wanted to; but we don't want to know what it is either. It's not a good idea to disclose your password - or even to suggest that somebody else use it, see Wikipedia:User account security - if you do, your account could be blocked for ever, per WP:COMPROMISED. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm used to surrendering it to computer people. That said, without knowing one, how is one supposed to work out the other?--Launchballer 17:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
@Launchballer: It's probably because your mail provider has a problematic spam filter that is blocking the emails. Accessing your mailbox wouldn't be helpful in this case. You need to contact your mail provider to address this issue. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 05:28, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Character encoding outgoing links from a template for a target page expecting ISO-8859-1

I have written a template {{Almanacco}} to act as a wrapper for accesses to an external site. Everything is working except the passing of accented characters in one of the parameters. The problem seems to be that the Wikipedia's {{urlencode}} is encoding in UTF-8, and the target page is expecting ISO-8859-1 (the old ISO Latin 1)

Eg: If I want to search the target site for the word "Tragödie", I would invoke the template with

  • {{Almanacco match=Tragödie}}

The template invokes {{urlencode}} and is given "Trag%C3%B6die" (UTF-8 encoding) which it duly embeds in the outgoing link URL, but the target page only understands "Trag%F6die" (ISO Latin 1). The search on the target page fails, and no matches are found.

The only solution approach that I can think of is to add some hairy programming in the template, specifically to handle each of the accented characters available in ISO Latin 1. This is beyond my skill set.

Can I request someone to code this for me? (or Is there another solution that has escaped me?) Scarabocchio (talk) 13:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Scarabocchio: only thing i can think of is to make the urlencode in the template conditional (i.e., add some "no urlencode" parameter to the template, such that when setting this parameter to anything, the template will use the raw link instead of the urlencoded one), and in those cases, handle the encoding manually (like so: Trag%F6die). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I created a function in the Latin module that might do what is wanted here. For example {{#invoke:Latin urlencodeISO88591 Tragödie}} yields Trag%F6die.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
@Scarabocchio: I installed it in your template, let me know if there are any problems. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
@Rich Farmbrough: Excellent!! exactly what was needed, many thanks! Scarabocchio (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Problem with X_(Ed_Sheeran_album) appearing as "x (Ed Sheeran album)"

X_(Ed_Sheeran_album) appears as "x (Ed Sheeran album)" at the top of the page. This is in contradiction to Talk:X (Ed Sheeran album) and Talk:X (Ed Sheeran album)#Requested move. Can the x be capitalised? Gregkaye 08:12, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

@Gregkaye: It's set by the {{DISPLAYTITLE:''x'' (Ed Sheeran album) noerror}} that is in the References section. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank youFace-smile.svg that's really helpful! Face-smile.svgGregkaye 14:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
@Gregkaye: I didn't realise that what you wanted was to de-lowercase and de-italicise the article title - in other words, to neutralise the effects of both the previously-existing {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} in the References section and the one that is built into {{Infobox album}}. Since this appears to be the case, the proper way, per the box at the top of {{Infobox album}} is to remove the one from the References section and add Italic title=no to the infobox - like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you Redrose64 but to be fair I didn'trealise what I wanted either Face-tongue.svg. It had been a while since I had referred to the RM and had forgotten all the content. gregkaye 11:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

extra space at bottom which needs to be deleted

International_taxation#Notes 174.3.125.23 (talk) 13:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

The page looks fine to me (on Windows 10, Firefox 33) - could you upload a screenshot of what you see, and let us know what browser you're using? – Reticulated Spline(tc) 14:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I could see it using Chrome on my MacBook. Removing the columns in the explanatory notes section has made the white space go away. -- Diannaa (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
This is one of those things that varies between browsers, with Chrome being particularly badly affected (it miscalculates the bottom margin); it's come up a few times before on this page. Generally speaking, columns are almost never necessary when the number of notes is low - in this case there are six; and when columns are used and the notes are so long that all of them wrap to a second line, there are too many columns: in the example screenshot given above, they all wrap, and note 4 is worst at 8 lines. Going to a modest resolution - such as 1280px wide - makes it worse, where note 4 is now ten lines, and even note 1 is three lines. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Search results

Is there some problem with the search results that are not updating? I made an edit on 30 November to remove some text yet the text is still showing in the search results today. Also the search results indicate the last change to the page was on 8 November. Could be because in draft space but would not have though that would cause the problem - see Draft:Liam Payne Keith D (talk) 02:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

The edit is [33] This search gives me two results to the same page Draft:Liam Payne:
Draft:Liam Payne "One Direction Invite You To Remix ‘Steal My Girl’ Read more at http://www.mtv.co.uk/one-direction/news/one-direction-invite-you-to-remix-steal-my 17 KB (1,681 words) - 14:35, 8 November 2014 
Draft:Liam Payne premiere Liam Payne's Big Payno remix of 'You & I'".  "One Direction Invite You To Remix ‘Steal My Girl’".  Rutter, Claire. "Liam Payne goes solo to drop 17 KB (1,659 words) - 23:31, 30 November 2014 
Restricting the search to either "(Article)" or "Draft" shows that the November 8 result is registered in "(Article)" while the current version from November 30 is registered in Draft. For a few days in November the Draft namespace was declared a content namespace. See Wikipedia talk:Drafts#Draft namespace added to ContentNamespaces. One of the unfortunate consequences was that drafts were included in search results by default. Phabricator:T75136 shows this was reverted November 8. The Draft result in Article space has not been removed from search for some reason, maybe because the page was edited November 8 in a transition period. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Technical difficulties in Template talk:Did you know?

I see some templates article nominations not transcluding properly. Is there a problem to the server or something? --George Ho (talk) 05:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@George Ho: The transcluded templates are too long. Actually, the servers leaves a comment besides the omitted templates: <!-- WARNING: template omitted, post-expand include size too large --> . See also #Map template problem above. Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 05:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Default editing - minor edits

As a bit of an experiment, I just went as reset my Preferences to all of the default settings, and I went and turned off all of the Gadgets that I had selected. I then went and edited a page (it doesn't matter which one) and noticed this problem: screenshot of bottom toolbar in default editor

Notice that the "minor edit" checkbox is cut off.
Who do we talk to about getting this resolved?
Ohms law (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

The problem originates in your vector.css. There you have set #minoredit_helplink to display: none;. So I think you should talk to yourself... Face-smile.svg -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 11:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
doh! Thanks. Ohms law (talk) 11:58, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

A bit of template help needed on {{GOCE award/sandbox}}

This is a request for a bit of help with the sandbox of a new template I have created, {{GOCE award/sandbox}}.

I am not a seasoned template creator, so the code is a dog's breakfast, but it works as intended (when substed, which is the intent). My only technical problem with it is that the month name is not substituted properly. It works, but when you subst the template into an editor's talk page, the resulting wikitext shows a bunch of code instead of a simple month name. I am trying to calculate the month name, and it uses substitution, but it does not substitute all the way down.

Any insight and advice you can provide will be welcome. Feel free to modify the sandbox code if you can find other ways to improve it. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

There are several parser functions and magic words in the template code that are not recursively substituted using {{{ subst:}}}. The ones I can find are four instances of {{#expr}} and the first of the two usages of {{formatnum}}. SiBr4 (talk) 17:25, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Right. Hence my question here. Here's what the rendered code looks like at the moment when I subst it onto my sandbox page:
<!--The boxes below are generated by substition of [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {  style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #fffff0;"  rowspan="2" valign="middle"   [[Image:Goce silver barnstar.png 75 px]]  rowspan="2"   style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"   '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 3rd Place'''  -  style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;"   This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''Jonesey95/sandbox''' for copyediting a 50,800-word article during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/{{#if:{{#expr:12-1}}  {{#switch:{{MONTHNUMBER {{#expr:12-1}} }} 1=January 2=February 3=March 4=April 5=May 6=June 7=July 8=August 9=September 10=October 11=November 12=December Incorrect required parameter 1=''month''!}} Missing required parameter 1=''month''!}} 2014 GOCE {{#if:{{#expr:12-1}}  {{#switch:{{MONTHNUMBER {{#expr:12-1}} }} 1=January 2=February 3=March 4=April 5=May 6=June 7=July 8=August 9=September 10=October 11=November 12=December Incorrect required parameter 1=''month''!}} Missing required parameter 1=''month''!}} 2014 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – [[User:Jonesey95 Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95 talk]]) 17:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)  } 
I'm looking for a fix for the unsubstituted code. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I was referring to the code of the template {{GOCE award/sandbox}}, not the code it results in if substituted. I now see the {{#expr}}s do have the substituting empty parameter {{{ subst:}}}, but it is misplaced: it should be {{{{{ subst:}}}#expr:...}}, not {{#expr:{{{ subst:}}}...}}. SiBr4 (talk) 18:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I saw it wrong; the #expr functions don't have {{{ subst:}}} in front of them. Adding these should fix it. SiBr4 (talk) 18:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • My most recent series of edits should fix it. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Much appreciated. However, after all that, the output looks essentially the same to me. Here it is now, when I subst the template:
{{subst:GOCE award/sandbox award=longest place=3 number=50800}}
<!--The boxes below are generated by substition of [[Template:GOCE award]]--> {  style="border: 2px solid gray; background-color: #FFFFF0; vertical-align: middle;"  rowspan="2"   [[File:Goce silver barnstar.png 75 px]]  rowspan="2"   style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"   '''Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 3rd Place'''  -  style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;"   This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''Jonesey95/sandbox''' for copyediting a 50,800-word article during the [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/{{#if:11  {{#switch:{{MONTHNUMBER 11 }} 1=January 2=February 3=March 4=April 5=May 6=June 7=July 8=August 9=September 10=October 11=November 12=December Incorrect required parameter 1=''month''!}} Missing required parameter 1=''month''!}} 2014 GOCE {{#if:11  {{#switch:{{MONTHNUMBER 11 }} 1=January 2=February 3=March 4=April 5=May 6=June 7=July 8=August 9=September 10=October 11=November 12=December Incorrect required parameter 1=''month''!}} Missing required parameter 1=''month''!}} 2014 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – [[User:Jonesey95 Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95 talk]]) 00:06, 8 December 2014 (UTC)  } 
I see that "{{#expr:12-1}}" has been replaced with "11", but I still see all of the if/switch/MONTHNUMBER code. Is it too many recursion levels deep to make it fully substitutable? – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I think I've got it sorted now. Thanks to both of you for your help. I was able to achieve the desired effect (no parser functions in the resulting message on the editor's talk page) by essentially removing one layer of recursion, moving some of the raw code from the "MONTHNAME" function directly into my template. You can see what I changed here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Resolved

Request help removing incorrect links

Although Special:WhatLinksHere/16 includes Template:USCongDistStateOH and many Ohio congressional district articles, I can't find the link to 16. Could someone please help me with this? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

From some quick testing, the template is just Template:USCongDistState with some terms filled in, including current=16. Changing this value to 15 drops it off of the WhatLinksHere/16 and puts it into WhatLinksHere/15. Illinois, with 18 districts, appears in WhatLinksHere/18. There are multiple ParserFunctions in USCongDistState calling current that I can't unravel. Nanonic (talk) 01:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Nanonic: OK, I moved the conversation to that template's talk page - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Chrome vs. Firefox Wikipedia rendering

Chrome vs. Firefox Wikipedia rendering

I don't know if it's a MediaWiki bug or just Wikipedia, but it's time to code same appearance for major browsers like Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. There are some bugs:

  • different font sizes
  • white-space break doesn't work in Chrome in Infobox

--Rezonansowy (talk contribs) 13:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

  1. Actually, it's a different font; Firefox seems to use Verdana as default sans-serif; browser setting.
  2. The wider infobox is caused by the URL at the bottom of the infobox; Firefox handles this better.
Different browsers will always handle stuff slightly differently. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
You could add "word-break: break-word;" to either the infobox table cell containing links, or to the Module:URL. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 16:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
That will get you ugly breaks like "pd<break>f_links". How about a descriptive link instead? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
And we should also set default font for Wikipedia (it could be changed via common.css). Please support me, Chrome users should see the same thing as the others. --Rezonansowy(talk contribs) 17:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Remember Typography refresh? We tried setting a font... it did not go to well. As far as I can see, Chrome uses the same fonts as the "other" browsers (on Windows at least). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm reminded of <http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/>. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 05:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Just fix this word-break bug and will be ok. --Rezonansowy (talk contribs) 12:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Is it possible to tweak Module:URL to emit zero-width non-joiner after ".", "/" and "_"? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Is no one willing to comment on this suggestion? May I take this instance of silence as consensus and implement it? Redrose64, I thought you said you were watching this discussion. Can I have your opinion on this please? Codename Lisa (talk) 02:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
As I remarked at Template talk:Infobox#Rendering issue, I have indeed been watching this discussion, but as I also noted there, I see no clear indication of a solution which will not break other uses. I need to see at the very least a firm proposal for a change, and a demonstration of that change (see WP:TESTCASES). If part or all of the proposed solution involves a change to a module (whether that be Module:URL, Module:Infobox or another), I'm not going to implement it: I very rarely edit modules, mainly because as an experienced computer programmer, I know well enough not to alter code that I do not understand. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Village pump (technical)/Archive 132
Websitehttps://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference_archive.html
@Redrose64: Very well, I have a firm proposition. HTML5 has adopted <wbr />, which have had widespread browsers support long before standardization. I propose changing Module:URL to insert one such tag after ".", "/" and "_". It is standard, supported, tested and working.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 04:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
A soft hyphen has better support. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 09:37, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I am tempted to ask "what constitutes better support?" but I am afraid soft hyphen leaves a visible hyphen. That's extremely dangerous because links may contain hyphens themselves. Therefore, soft hyphen nullifies the print utility of the bare link. So, as long as there is nothing wrong with <wbr />, I am going with a firm "No". Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
The <wbr /> idea has been proposed before, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 117#nowrap vs please-wrap-here option? and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 129#"Word wrapping" very long words. But where has the current proposal been sandboxed and tested? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
So practically, you are saying "I like it! Let's do it. But first implement one in sandbox." Only I seem to have misinterpretted your message as opposition. Well... Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Better support means more browsers support it, as <wbr /> is HTML5 only. Soft hyphens have existed much longer and enjoy universal support. It may show a hyphen at the break point, but such would not be part of the string, so copy/paste is safe. And printed links can't be clicked anyway. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
You couldn't be more wrong. You could try; you will fail. Chrome and Firefox supported WBR since v1.0. Safari since v4.0. Opera since 11.7. IE since v5.5. Printed URLs are typed in; with soft hyphen, users must figure out which hyphen is part of the URL and which is not. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 20:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know where you get your info... <wbr /> is new in HTML5. Firefox does have support since 3.0, and IE dropped support since 8.0. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:17, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/wbr
Codename Lisa (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Testcase at User:Codename Lisa/sandbox proves this tag has full support in IE 8, 9, 10 and 11. I must get my hands on 7 somehow. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
IE6 passed the test. Codename Lisa (talk) 22:03, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
IE7 passed the test. Codename Lisa (talk) 23:02, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Mobile browsers seem to lack support; somewhere where this is most needed. So apart from someone typing a printed link... what is the major problem with &shy; again? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:40, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Mobile testing results are coming through, but so far, they look good. Still, you'll have to wait. Screenshooting all I want takes some times.
Did you say "Apart from?" Print-friendliness is the only purpose of {{URL}} and as long as a problem that defeats its very purpose exists, there is no "apart from". It's a blocking issue. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
From mobile - fails to wrap anything before first / after domain with userAgent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0". — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 00:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Screen spec please. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
P.S. In case things are made worse than the original, I am going to need a screenshot. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I can't do screenshots on that device. It uses Android OS 4.1.2 and the built in screenshot feature doesn't work correctly most of the timethe old version of the Android OS (v3.x) that doesn't have it built in and none of the apps that are suppose to do it seem to work that I've tried (they all lock up the phone and I have to pop the battery to restart it). I can tell you that whatismyscreenresolution.com tells me it is a 320x533px screen. Any other information I can provide that may help, I'd be happy to. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 02:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13: Your screenshot shows the wrong portion. The "Encoded URL" portion is where you must look. Also it says "Linux x86_64" in the User-Agent. This is no standard Firefox user-agent. Something is not right. What device is it? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Strange! Samsung Galaxy Axiom runs on an ARM-based CPU called Krait. Your phone is allegedly running an x86-64 version of Firefox. Also Axiom runs Android v4.0.4, not 4.1.2. You know, I am growing anxious to see the missing screenshot. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 05:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually... My phone is running 4.1.2 since I keep making sure it's updated at least once a month. I have the screenshot, and emailed it to myself. Will upload it to commons tomorrow. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 06:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

@Technical 13: Why does your table entry say "Word break+Overflow"? I am seeing a slight overflow but not a word break. Also, other stuff in your screenshot doesn't look like anything I see in other screenshots. Looks like something on your smartphone is broken. Are you sure you opened en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Codename_Lisa/sandbox? Fleet Command (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13: X11... You must be kidding me. It's a useragent from the desktop Firefox. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 06:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Looks like you have "Request Desktop Site" selected. Wasn't aware Firefox spoofs the user agent string like this. Uncheck that and see if anything changes. Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 08:11, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • That is all I ever use because I literally despise the mobile version of the site. Zhaofeng Li are you asking if my useragent changes when I do that or if the rendering changes? — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 14:47, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Zhaofeng Li, my userAgent changes to Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:33) Gecko/33.0 Firefox/33.0 when I uncheck that. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
File:FF33 on Android OS 4.1.2 (3).png && File:FF33 on Android OS 4.1.2 (4).png show it makes no difference. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13: I order to conclusively resolve all doubts, I believe we need a screenshot from http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Codename_Lisa/sandbox&oldid=636147649, which contains no new code. For your convenience, I've added this link to en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Codename%20Lisa/sandbox. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 09:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks in advance for all your troubles. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Test results

  • Presenting test results, with screenshots:
Browser Without WBR With WBR User-agent High-contrast-camera-photo.svg
Screenshot
Chrome 38 (Windows) Overflow Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/38.0.2125.111 Safari/537.36 [34]
Chrome 39 on Android 4.3 (ASUS Padfone A11) Word break Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 3.4; PadFone T00C Build/JSS15Q) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome 39.0.2171.59 Mobile Safari/537.36 [35]
Chrome 34 on Android 4.4.2 (LG G2) Word break Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.4.2; LG-D802 Build/KOT49I.D80220c) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/34.0.1847.114 Mobile Safari/537.36 [36]
"Internet" on Android 4.4.2 (LG G2) Word break Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.4.2; en-us; LG-D802 Build/KOT49I.D80220c) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Chrome/30.0.1599.103 Mobile Safari/537.36 [37]
Chrome 38 on Android 4.0 (emulator/Sony Xperia) Word break Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.0; en-us; LT28at Build/6.1.C.1.111) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/534.30 [38]
Chrome 38 on Android 4.0 (emulator/iPhone 4) Word break Okay Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5 [39]] [40]
Firefox 3 (Windows) Okay Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.2; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0 [41]
Firefox 33 (Windows) Okay Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 [42]
Firefox 33 on Android 4.4.2 (LG G2) Okay Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:33.0) Gecko/33.0 Firefox/33.0 [43]
Firefox Mobile (emulator) Okay Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Mobile; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/32.0 [44] [45]
Internet Explorer 11 (Windows) Overflow Okay Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko [46]
Internet Explorer 8 (Windows) Overflow Okay Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0) [47]
Internet Explorer 7 (Windows) Overflow Okay Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0) [48]
Internet Explorer 6 (Windows) Boundry violation Technically, okay Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) [49]
Opera Mobile 12 (Nokia N79) Okay Okay Opera/9.80 (S60; SymbOS; Opera Mobi/SYB-1204232255; U; en-GB) Presto/2.10.254 Version/12.00 [50] [51]
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 01:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Browser Without WBR With WBR User-agent High-contrast-camera-photo.svg
Screenshot
Firefox 33 (in desktop mode)
Android 4.1.2 (Samsung Galaxy Axiom)
Window clipping Windows clipping Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 Raw wbr
Firefox 33 (in mobile mode)
Android 4.1.2 (Samsung Galaxy Axiom)
Window clipping Window clipping Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:33) Gecko/33.0 Firefox/33.0 Raw wbr
Fleet Command (talk) 03:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Barnstars!

Again, many thanks! Great work.

Barnstar - technical works.svg The Technical Barnstar
For everyone who helped to fix this this issue. Rezonansowy (talk contribs) 11:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)_

Search bar not responsive sometimes

Demonstrating a problem with the search bar function in English Wikipedia.

I used an updated version of google Chrome and after waiting many seconds for the search bar list to offer me new results, it didn't. Instead of narrowing down the previous options because I input new letters, the results under the search bar are not helpful. I took a screenshot to demonstrate. Is this a tracked bug? What's going on here? This is a recurrent issue for me. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 19:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I recently started having an issue with my searches, also. I don't have to wait for the list to appear, but whenever I type in just "User talk:", the first and only item that appears in the suggestion area below the search bar is "User talk:Friendly AIDS". What's that? I'm getting tired of this and would appreciate it if someone could fix it. If I put one letter after "User talk:", then it works fine. CorinneSD (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
That is weird, and I can confirm that it's doing it here too. (user:Friendly Aids was blocked in 2005 and had made no edits). I don't get any search bar suggestions when only typing "User:" or "Wikipedia:" or "Wikipedia talk:", but the search bar does suggest Talk:High Blast Explosive (and nothing else) when I type "Talk:" ... never had noticed this before either. ---Sluzzelintalk 23:10, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
User talk:­Friendly AIDS and Talk:️High Blast Explosive both have a non-displayed character (not the same) after the colon. I guess you are not supposed to get any suggestions when you only write namespace and colon, but certain special characters can apparently fool that. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I have tested all namespaces and the only other cases were User talk: (a user with only undisplayed characters), and for File: where the maximum ten suggestions are listed, so there may be more which didn't make the list. All ten have an undisplayed character after the colon. One of the ten is File:Baharestan New Town Iran.jpg which is tricky because it goes to a page with no undisplayed character and no redirect message at Wikipedia, but the file was moved at Commons where commons:File:Baharestan New Town Iran.jpg shows the redirect from the bad title. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I've filed this as T76350. I imagine it is related to the undisplayed characters but I'll have to dig into it some more.NEverett (WMF) (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
And proposed a patch. If all goes well this'll disappear from wikipedias sometime December 11th. Thanks again, PrimeHunter. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I can replicate this bug in Chrome (the updated 39.0.2171.71 m version), but it does not occur for me with Firefox. I can type "Bio", then wait several seconds, and new letters, such as "sen", do not help narrow the original Bio search results in Chrome. Ping to User:AKlapper (WMF). Might this be logged/tracked? I bet you're busy with rolling over to Phabricator from Bugzilla but thought I'd notify just in case. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 23:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
NEverett (WMF) should know the best as he's into the search, pinging him here. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 00:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 18:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks bringing this up, Biosthmors and AKlapper (WMF). I'll have a look into this more closely soon. Does it _feel like_ the not narrowing down issue comes close together? Like, if you try again in 20 minutes is it gone? Or is it all the time but only with Chrome? I'm unable to replicate in the Chromium version I have installed (Version 39.0.2171.65 Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)) so it could be a narrow thing. Or something even more fun. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello NEverett (WMF), and sorry for the delay. For me this always happens in Chrome. I also run anti-keylogging software, so I suppose that might play a factor. But for some reason Firefox never has trouble updating results, just Chrome. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 00:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Indeed NEverett (WMF), it was my software after all. After uninstalling that program, Wikipedia search in Chrome is behaving as expected. My apologies for the false alarm, and thanks anyhow. Best. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 22:08, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Progress template missing categories

Template:Articles lacking sources progress seems to be malfunctioning. It's supposed to keep track of all the monthly categories of articles without any references, but the counts for October, November, and December are missing. Now it would be great had these categories disappeared due to being cleaned out, but unfortunately that's not the case: combined they still have 6,000+ articles left to fix (sidenote: join WikiProject Unreferenced Articles! We have over 222,000 pages in the backlog!). Can anyone fix the progress template? Thanks, Altamel (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I see:
October 2014  1,863 November 2014 2,615 December 2014 231 
Did you try to purge before posting? This template also has a "(refresh)" link to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I've tried that and nothing happens. And the categories that missing are from October, November, and December 2006. Altamel (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
The documentation for {{Progress box}} , which all of the 'Articles lacking X progress' templates derive from, states that "[This] template will only list the last seven years backlog" - 2006 is more than 7 years ago, so the links to the 2006 categories won't appear. – Reticulated Spline(tc) 23:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. Altamel (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Face-sad.svg Well at least I documented the limitation. I suppose I had better add another year! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC).
Ah! User Wbm has extended it to nine years, for which thanks. Let's try an make sure it doesn't need extending again! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC).

Wildlife tourism is the sole member of Category:Articles lacking sources from October 2006. Whoever finds a reference for it, let me know and the appropriate barn-star will be awarded! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC).

I have added one source. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Responsive images

"Responsive web design" is based on CSS formatting that automatically resizes content based on the size of the viewport. It may be a good idea to implement responsive design for images only, so that we can display images in full size to fit the width of a container, be that the full page itself or a portion of it. This could be done via inline sytle or using media queries:

style="max-width:100%;height:auto;" 

- Cwobeel (talk) 23:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

To accommodate MSIE 9:

max-width: 100%; height: auto; width: auto\9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwobeel (talkcontribs) 23:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC) 
Its not that simple. You need to overcome the default image containment by usurping the existing .css values and building your own template to act as an image container.

We've done something like this on Wikisource. See Temp Image Testing over there and (hopefully) you can resize your browser all day long and the images should dynamically resize themselves accordingly. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Not only that, you alternatively can call responsive images:"Really big images inside a smaller dynamically sized frame". Which immediately brings to the light the major problem with responsive images. They are HUGE and most people are not waiting for more bits to come down the line when viewing a Wikipedia page. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

how to tag "not in citation given"?

I've seen it before, but I didn't notice how to make the tag "not in citation given", for when there's a controversial statement, with a citation, but the citation doesn't back the statement. How do you do that? Darx9url (talk) 16:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Use the {{Failed verification}} tag. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Darx9url (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-50

17:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Gadgets not working

Some of my gadgets have stopped working (Twinkle, navigation popups, reference tooltips, double clicking to edit page). I'm using the vector skin and Firefox 34.0 (just updated but they weren't working in 33.1 either). Does anyone know what could be causing it or how to fix it? Sarahj2107 (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The media viewer and visual editor have also stopped working. Looks like a server issue. Cenarium (talk) 19:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Twinkle is not working for me either. Bummed, because that thing is so useful. kikichugirl inquire 19:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

It looks like it's working again. Cenarium (talk) 19:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Not for me. Altered my UI, no Twinkle etc, destroyed my useful pop-ups. WMF, rollback please. Philg88 talk 19:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
This problem affects all Javascript (intermittently) and is being fixed right now. Some performance improvements were not deployed correctly.
The devs and ops people apologize for their mistake. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Cursor appears in headers

Since a few days with me a cursor appears in the top-row (=personal login menu row) or in section headers. The cursor is the common blinking vertical line (for in-text position), and in the lefthand position, against the LH margin. Any clarification? (Screenshots needed? Did I miss an earlier topic? Firefox update into v34?). DePiep (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Kelsea Ballerini broken URL

Can anyone tell me why the last citation in Kelsea Ballerini is breaking? For some reason it's choking on the URL and putting wrong brackets around it. I have checked and rechecked the coding, and I can't for the life of me figure out why it's messed up. Anyone? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 03:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I have added http:// to the url.[65] Adding // alone would also have worked here. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks. I knew it'd be something insanely obvious. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 04:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Display a byte count beside each '+' or '-' sub-item in 'Difference between revisions'

Per spotting small changes in 'Difference between revisions', a byte count beside each '+' or '-' would be beneficial. 96.28.43.27 (talk) 06:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

New users whose only edit is db-user

I am seeing an increasing number of new users - four in the last five days - whose first and only edit is to create a userpage consisting only of {{db-user}}. I can't think of a reason for this - why create a userpage if you don't want one? How would an absolute newbie know this code? Is there some glitch in our sign-up process? Along with welcome messages, I have asked some of them why they did this, but no replies. Any ideas? JohnCD (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't have an answer but examples are always good. User:Alarabr (Special:CentralAuth/Alarabr) and User:Maxthoburn (Special:CentralAuth/Maxthoburn) both created their accounts long ago at other wikis. Maybe they think {{db-user}} will delete their automatically created English accounts. Alarabr has no other edits. Maxthobur has some Commons uploads in April. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
That sounds a plausible reason, thanks. Today's was different, now I look at it: User:Parijyya (Special:CentralAuth/Parijyya) made two unhelpful edits, saw them reverted, and then put db-user on his user page with edit summary "Leave Wikipedia". I can't find yesterday's - I think I left it for someone else to deal with. JohnCD (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

What Links Here generating too many listings due to navboxes

What Links Here would be less overwhelming for some pages if the results could be separated according to whether an item in what links here is a navbox or not. For example, if a page is linked to from sixty pages but on fifty of them the link is only in a navbox or two, we could focus our attention on the just ten that probably link to the page from inside the body or lead. Technically, I suppose this might be implemented by generating the list by examining the edit fields of pages other than navboxes in the Template namespace, thereby ignoring what's in navboxes, and examining navboxes in the Template namespace separately. In the case of a linking page having a link both in the body and in a navbox, it could be listed both ways. Nick Levinson (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

@Nick Levinson: Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 132#Amount of work for "What links here" to distinguish between links from within templates and those that aren't. and the earlier thread linked from there. SiBr4 (talk) 22:17, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I really hate this when fixing links to a newly created disambiguation page. But there's nothing we can do about it besides getting rid of those silly boxes.
Actually, would it be reasonable to change the links in navboxes to a 'fake external' link, like is already done for the edit link at the top? The downside would be no bolding of the article you're at. --NE2 22:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
@NE2: - for your use-case, limit the "WLH" to templates first and fix them. Then, if you are in a hurry, null-edit the pages including the nav-boxes with AWB or some other tool. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
That's what I do already. --NE2 04:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
It's a frequently requested feature. Here are some of the requests:
PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
How about just changing the default results of What Links Here to be the either the article namespace or the current namespace, rather than "all"? — xaosfluxTalk 00:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
You're not understanding the problem. You move Oak Hill, Virginia to Oak Hill, Fairfax County, Virginia to disambiguate. Then you go to fix the incoming links, and you find that everything on Template:Fairfax County, Virginia is in what links here (see Special:Whatlinkshere/Oak Hill, Fairfax County, Virginia for what it roughly looks like, though of course you're looking at pages that link to Oak Hill, Virginia). If you change the template, it takes several hours at least to propagate through the articles and reduce what links here to actual links that need to be fixed.
(Note that simply omitting all links generated by templates won't work, since other templates may need to be fixed manually: US 1 north – Oak Hill.)
--NE2 05:25, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Please, see also User:V111P/js/What Links Here link filter. Unfortunately it will also remove pages linking both from the body and a navbar template. --V111P (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

In terms of long-range planning, I wonder if it would be possible to move navboxes entirely out of articles, and place them in some sort of metadata footer? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Here's an incredibly simple way to solve this problem.
  1. Make a Navbox: namespace
  2. Force all navbox links (by some Lua magic, say) to go through a redirect in Navbox: space.
  3. Exclude Navbox: from what links here.
  4. (optional) Add a little magic to bold the self-links.
The new namespace can be magical (redirects don't actually have to exist) or normal (redirects are created by hand or by tool). This could be implemented in its simplest form without any development.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC).

Magic word for article subject

For a disambiguated article like [[John Doe (example)]], is there a magic word, similar to {{PAGENAME}}, but that will return just "John Doe"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

There is no magic word, but there is a magic word like template : Template:PAGENAMEBASE. Cenarium (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@Cenarium: Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: The redirect {{Title without disambig}} might make for clearer coding. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC).

Proposal: new tool for making redirects

If I want to create a new redirect to an existing page, perhaps for an alternative name or spelling, I have to do the following:

  1. Copy the page name
  2. Type the new name in the search box
  3. Click "Search"
  4. Select the red link
  5. Paste the page name
  6. Select the pasted text
  7. Click the "Redirect" button on the toolbar
  8. Figure out which "Redirect from..." template to use
  9. Type two new lines
  10. Type (or copy and paste, in another tab) the "Redirect from..." template name
  11. Enter an edit summary
  12. Click "Save"

I would like to see a new "make redirect" tool (perhaps a user script, or later a gadget), where I would:

  1. Click the tool (in, say, the "tools" menu)
  2. Type the new name
  3. Select a "Redirect from" template from a drop-down menu
  4. Click "Save"

and the tool would do everything for me, including checking that the new name is not already in use.

Would anyone like to code such a thing? I'd be happy to do testing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor does most of what you want: Edit the page, go to the Page options (three-bar) menu on the left, choose "Page settings", and type in the name that you want. "R from" templates are added via the Insert > Template menu. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I decided to give VE another go last week. It corrupted the first page on which I made a (simple) edit. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for trying it. I just checked your contributions (here) back to November 1st, and I didn't find any edits tagged for VisualEditor. Do you remember which page you were editing? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Steps 8-11 are unnecessary (redirects get auto-edit summaries). 5 and 7 can be reversed, making 6 unnecessary. That's 7 steps, which is probably no more than your proposed tool when you list each click/copy/paste. --NE2 19:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Which "click/copy/paste" do you think I've omitted? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Find the tool, click the tool, type the name, click the drop-down menu, figure out which template to use, select the template, click save. Maybe more depending on how it's laid out. --NE2 00:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
So no copy and paste? There may be two clicks for a dropdown-then-select model, but "finding" where to click happens in either scenario. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Should the fundraiser banner, at the least. Be shortened?

The fundraiser banner seems too big, taking up almost a quarter of the main page. Any comments? LorChat 00:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Non-neutral comment I don't oppose the foundation advertising their fundraiser. But the sheer largeness of the fundraiser banner itself I find slightly absurd. Why does there need to be a full payment form at the top of the screen? It makes scrolling down with the sudden pop of it at the top of the screen hard. And for registered users makes it hard to reach for the 'login' button. I'm not going to make a proposal on it, but I wonder how the community thinks about it. LorChat 00:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I agree it is somewhat large, but you can click on the 'X' in the top right corner of the banner, to remove it. Richard Harvey (talk) 07:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I too have had conflict and issue with the size of the fundraising banner interfering with my ability to easily log in. As such, I've created Phabricator:T78023. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Adding "##div.cn-fundraising" (without quotes) to your Adblock filter list removes the banner entirely. Fundraising is one thing, obnoxious ad banners that take up more than half the vertical screen space are another. Cynical (talk) 00:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
VPT is not the place to hold RFCs. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
side discussion about whether or not RfCs should be held here on VPT
Redrose64, can you point me to where it says that editors are not allowed to hold appropriate RfCs on VPT? Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Before posting doesn't mention that, nor do I see anything about it on Wikipedia talk:Village pump (technical) (nor its only archive). I also don't see any restriction on Wikipedia:Village pump. If this is in fact a guideline or policy somewhere, it should probably be written on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Before posting with a link to the discussion that formed the consensus. Thanks! — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 18:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
For a start, it's not a technical issue. Can you point me to somewhere that says that VPT is an appropriate venue for non-technical RfCs - or even any kind of RfC? WP:VPR hosts a lot of RfCs, and that would seem to be a much more suitable venue. Indeed, it often has RfCs of a highly technical nature, such as this one which doesn't seem to have the signature of its proposer, except in the first !vote in the Support section. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not talking about this specific section, I honestly think this is something that should have been taken directly to Phabricator: instead of here I'm talking about the broad statement you made, VPT is not the place to hold RFCs. which implies that no RfC can ever be held at this forum, and I strongly disagree with that statement. This search query for "RfC" on "Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)" backs up my claim that RfCs may be appropriate here. I'm asking you to back up your claim that this is not the place for RfCs. Thanks. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
As for your poke about me not signing my RfC, signatures are not required, only timestamps are. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Better still lets remove it entirely, If I'm honest I've got better things to spend my money on plus it's probably going to Jimbo's pocket anyway!. –Davey2010(talk) 19:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Phabricator status set to Stalled since the place to discuss this is m:Talk:Fundraising principles. Oliv0 (talk) 08:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Linebreaks in infoboxes

I've asked this before, but does anyone have an idea of why I seem to be getting more linebreaks in infoboxes recently? Specifically with the birth/death parameters - a line break will appear before the (aged xx) or (age xx) part of the birth/death date and age templates (fixable by the nowrap template). This hasn't happened up until recently - I'm using Google Chrome. Connormah (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Connormah: Perhaps the relevant template has changed - but there are several of these, so which article are you looking at? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: - Well, for one, Ken Weatherwax's infobox seemed to be fine until the death_cause parameter was added. The death date and age template as well ad birth name parameter had linebreaks after. It seems that the relevant parameters (at least the birth/death date ones) had a nowrap setting. Connormah (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
The problem seems to have manifested itself with this edit, but the actual cause seems to have occurred a couple of weeks earlier, with this edit by Sardanaphalus (talk·contribs). See Template:Infobox person/testcases#Ken Weatherwax where the right-hand (sandbox) version uses the template as it was before 23 November. This change increased the padding in the left-hand column of {{infobox person}} by 0.55em, and since the overall width of the infobox was unchanged, the available space in the right-hand column was decreased by the same amount. The edit seems to have been made on the grounds that nobody commented at this thread. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. Would it be at all possible to add nowrap to the birth/death fields in the infobox by default? I find the linebreaks add unnecessary volume and make the infoboxes harder to read. Connormah (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, does this spill over onto other infoboxes, like officeholder, scientist, etc.? Connormah (talk) 18:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
It's certainly possible - {{Infobox football biography}} nowraps almost all of the data entries by default, and we recently amended it to de-nowrap the player's full name for those cases where the name is very long (see e.g. Charlie Oatway); but it's a matter to bring up at Template talk:Infobox person.
{{Infobox officeholder}} and {{Infobox scientist}} are unaffected, because they are independent of {{Infobox person}}. However, several infoboxes are not - {{Infobox philosopher}} is a wrapper, and {{infobox actor}} is a straight redirect, so both of those will be affected, as will several others. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: - hm, are you sure this isn't affecting the officeholder infobox as well (what's the padding set at)? For example, Marion Dewar/Karl Dönitz have linebreaks in the death date parameter that have never been there before (I added a nowrap to Donitz). I will probably take this to both talkpages. Connormah (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Marion Dewar looks fine, as did the previous version of Karl Dönitz. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
That's very strange. Do you have any idea if there may be something with my browser? Connormah (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I do suspect that there is inconsistency between browsers, and in "fixing" it for one browser, a problem has been introduced in others. I use Firefox (yesterday 33.something, today 34.0.5). --Redrose64 (talk) 10:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted the edit that caused this. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Need a little help from somebody familiar with MediaWiki

I need a few moments from somebody who's familiar with MediaWiki, particularly admin tools. Yesterday, not for the first time, I dealt with an editor who had edited about two dozen pages in quick succession, each with an obscene edit summary which required revision deletion. Alas, the only way to revdel them all is to do them each one-by-one, which is tedious and time-consuming, and it doesn't take much for a troll to work out that it takes far longer than it took them to make the mess in the first place. I'd like to file a Bugzilla request to allow bulk revdels from user contributions (ie replace the (del/undel) links with the square boxes and "delete/undelete selected revisions" button). Considering this already exists for page histories, and voersighters have a similar function (though that's for accounts, and suppresses all trace that the account ever existed) Would somebody mind translating that into techspeak and opening the Bugzilla request on my behalf? I'd be happy to add my rationale in a comment, but Bugzilla does my head in. Thanks, HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 19:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Good news, everybody! Bugzilla is no more - Phabricator has been invented. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Is that good news in the literal sense or good news in the Farnsworth sense? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 20:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@HJ Mitchell: you might want to take a look at twinkle. i am not sysadmin, but i think twinkle might have what you need. regardless of "mass delete", if you spend any time at all fighting vandals, you want to at least _try_ twinkle. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I use Twinkle prolifically. None of its functions allow the deletion of individual revisions (as opposed to entire pages, in which case I'd just use Special:Nuke). I'm intimately familiar with the tools I have (I think I'm just outside the top 50 most prolific admins by number of logged actions) and they don't do what I want. Redrose: Phabricator looks even harder to navigate than Bugzilla (although the 1995 look is out and a more early-2000s look is in, I see). Any help would be appreciated... HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 21:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Pretty much. I think it would be worth filing a Phabricator issue about. LorChat 21:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

XTools and View stats

The XTools view stats hasn't worked for a while. It links to a test pattern that says "Again something is messed up after Tool Labs database maintenance Sorry for that! No db-connection" And as much as I can figure out, the developer Hedonil hasn't edited anywhere since August. Does anyone have a direct link to the daily view stats? I don't mean Henrik's tool, because that goes to a different stat tool. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

A little bit of template help needed on passing a parameter to a reference in reflist.

Example {{User:ClemRutter/sandbox3 1038008 grade=grade II* location=Staffordshire}}.

The ultimate aim is to write a template, Listed building (England) that will take the buildings uid, provide a category, and a linkable reference- to the Images of England web site.

To do this the reference code in reflist needs to accept a parameter from the calling template. Is this possible?

In the example, if you have over the number- you see the full url with ?uid=1038008, but hover over the same detail in the reference (you need to add your own {{reflist}} to see it)- the url appears without ?uid=1038008.

Ideally I would have used a {{cite web}} reference but this add another level of complexity. How do you pass the contents of an outer templates first positional parameter as a parameter to the inner template? I assume that you can't write {{wrappertemplate 1 2 3 4}} to an {{existingtemplate 1 2 4 3}}? Or is there an undocumented markup trick?

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

A bit confused here. I don't think you are referring to the {{reflist}} template. Perhaps you want something like {{Australian Dictionary of Biography}}? -- Gadget850 talk 12:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
This is my test box- ignore the stuff commented out, its not relevant. ADB seems interesting, but is a lot simpler, as the value is added directly into the ADB template not passed as a parameter, and yes {{reflist}} is central to the final rendering. Once this is solved there is still a lot to do but I am back in familiar territory. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 15:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
{{reflist}} is simply a wrapper for <references />. It makes it easier to use <references />, especially when using List-defined references and grouped notes but it cannot change the content of any of the included citations— those are rendered by the Cite software extension.
Take a closer look at {{Australian Dictionary of Biography}}. The id is passed as two parameters: id= and id2=. It uses {{cite encyclopedia}} which simplifies the template and ensures it matches the Citation Style 1 style. If you want the Citation Style 2 style then use {{citation}}. -- Gadget850 talk 15:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
So you are confirming that it is not possible dynamically generate references passed to <references />. cite.php doesn't process wikicode- it is similar to putting a <nowiki>...</nowiki> around the reference or {{cite web}}. Thanks
With {{Australian Dictionary of Biography}} all I see is a conditional, such as is oftern used in infoboxes. But thanks any how. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm also confused. What is it exactly that makes {{reflist}} central to the final rendering? Why, in your example is <ref name=IoE> without further qualification? Does {{English Heritage List entry}} do what you want done?
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
In your confusion you have given me the links I need to proceed. I hadn't found {{English Heritage List entry}}- and it does give a good work around, and loads of code to study. I would still like to devise a solution where all the data is entered from the text- but as I default to using {{sfn}} in my articles the result is possibly cleaner. Sorry if the example was confusing- but when you are reducing a template to describe the core problems- bits do get left out. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

So...

Any plans by the WMF to make their toolserver as reliable as the German one they "upgraded" from? Or are regular outages for tools like edit counter and page stats the new normal? --NeilN talk to me 01:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

@NeilN: I've had the same issue of those 2 tools working for a few days, and then being down or extremely slow the next couple of days. I'm not exactly sure if their toolserver will be upgraded; it would be a nice upgrade, though ;) -Fimatic (talkcontribs) 01:39, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@Fimatic: I would suggest going back to the German toolserver would be an upgrade but that might be seen as churlish :-j --NeilNtalk to me 01:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@NeilN: So, it would kind of be like a cross-wiki tool server (hosted on another but used here)? -Fimatic (talkcontribs) 01:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@Fimatic: Ah, you're new here. Welcome. Many tools, including the two specifically listed, used to run on a server in Germany, outside the direct control of the WMF: Wikipedia:Toolserver. The WMF, in its wisdom, declined to fund its continuing operation and in summer 2014 set up a new architecture in-house. The results have been less than stellar... --NeilNtalk to me 02:09, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
"Edit count" in user contributions and "Revision history statistics" in page histories are both among the Xtools. Xtools have been on and off for a month. They are hosted at Tool Labs but made by volunteer editors. I don't know the cause of the down periods but many other tools at https://tools.wmflabs.org are currently working. One of the Xtools authors User:Cyberpower678 said at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 131#Xtools / edit counter that GitHub is the best place to report bugs. That means https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/issues. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
What PrimeHunter said. If Xtools are not working but other tools on Tool Labs are, then it's probably something to do with Xtools' configuration rather than a problem with Tool Labs itself. But we will have to wait for someone to investigate before we can find out for sure what's happening. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 02:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@NeilN: I'm newer than some people, but not exactly. My first edit with an IP was around 2 years ago (although I've only made a few with my IP), and I've had a past account here which was registered in early August. -Fimatic (talk contribs) 03:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
  • There are no current outage of Tool Labs as a whole, though there was a brief (~4h) outage last week caused by a hardware fault; but my understanding is that the tool's maintainer, Cyberpower678, is currently away from the projects. I took the liberty of restarting the xtools's webservice – which appears to have hung for some reason – but I'm not in a position to debug the setup to diagnose the problem more precisely. — MPelletier (WMF) (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
NeilN this looks like typical nostalgia: first of all, closing toolserver was not a decision of wikimedia - it was a decision of the german chapter. as far as i remember, the maintainer of toolserver announce that the current setup (hw, hosting, infrastructure) was EOL, and the foundation decided not to pay for an upgrade (i did not see the projected budget/cost, but it wan an expensive setup). my guess is that the residual cost of wmflabs, being a par of much larger setup, is significantly lower. regarding "how great life was with toolserver" - this is not what i remember. even before the last days, when the setup was crumbling and outages were a daily occurrence, i do not remember toolserver as especially reliable, and it had many outages. it also had this annoying behavior of shutting down accounts of users who did not log in for 6 months, so tools written by people who became inactive would stop working at unpredictable times, and we had to hunt for the editor and beg them to login to their toolserver account, which gave us a "fix" for the next 6 months... (amusing anecdote: iirc, at one point some tools in Brion's account were shut down because he did not login to the toolserver for 6 months...). קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
"EOL" = "end of life". --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 08:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll tag along here rather than make a new section...something over a year ago, i noticed a couple of days worth of edits disappeared from the records; i put it down to Toolserver going away. The same thing happened a few days ago (27 October, to be precise), and about 80+ of my edits were (and are) no longer showing in either Xtools or others which presumably access the same data. While it's a bit annoying, a new question arises from it: How, if there are gaps in the database, is there a proper attribution record of everyone who has contributed? Isn't that potential lack of a record contrary to the terms of the licence? Cheers, LindsayHello 12:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

The page history on the "View history" tab is where the license should be satisfied. Holes in external tools don't seem like a license problem to me. Such tools could shut down completely at any time without affecting the attribution required by the license. It's possible that some reusers use an external tool for attribution and don't link to the wiki page or its page history. Stable external tools could reduce this problem slightly, but the number of reusers which give no attribution at all is far larger. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh, i see. So, the assorted tools get their data from a different location than the history page does? Fair enough. I wasn't really worried about it, more curious, and you have satisfied that; thank you. Cheers, LindsayHello 23:32, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Last night the edit counter told me it was running 900+ minutes behind, so my edit count for the previous 24 hours was zero. Today (Philippines, UTC+8) edit stats says it is 1500+ minutes late, so my edit count is still zero. Seems like it has got stuck somewhere. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 08:49, wikitime= 00:49, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

...so they seem to be working right now. Woohoo! This is irritating beyond belief. We're doing volunteer work here, unpaid labor, and somewhere is a bankaccount where all these donations are coming in, out of which someone should pay someone smart so we can do this work decently. Seriously. SERIOUSLY. I don't care about chapters or organization or whatever. If folks used to do this for free, I thank them from the bottom of my heart. But someone in San Francisco needs to take an executive decision and make this work consistently and well. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

...and it's not working again. Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 14:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
... but keep those donations rolling in, folks! Even if they don't contribute directly to the content of Wikipedia, or provide the improvements its contributors have come to rely on. -- llywrch (talk) 00:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Tools

Do you think that the communities would appreciate the WMF taking over something that's popular, like X! Tools, or would this be perceived as the WMF encroaching on the volunteers' territory and disrespecting them? What if the WMF decides to re-write it (as volunteers periodically do), but you don't like the new version as well? Would you be able to live with that, in return for (possibly) more reliable maintenance (I say "possibly" because some volunteer devs and tool maintainers have been providing top-quality support for years, so in that case you can't really expect an improvement). What do you think? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd rather see the WMF just make Toollabs a more stable platform to host on, and let the tool creators maintain their tools. KonveyorBelt 03:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
@Konveyor Belt: The bug is probably in Xtools, not Tool Labs itself. The solution to this is for someone to find out whatever is making Xtools fail sporadically and fix it, and once it's fixed it will stay fixed. Tool Labs is actually showing itself to be a pretty reliable platform by not failing every time Xtools does. (And if anyone here likes debugging php/js, the code is on Github.) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): I don't know which is more discouraging to think about: that donations to the Foundation do not directly help the volunteers create an encyclopedia & other reference sources, or that many volunteers don't trust the Foundation to actually help them achieve these goals. I would happily ignore the Foundation & its silliness, were it not for the fact it raises millions of dollars which it fritters away on badly-designed & unwanted projects it imposes on unwilling communities, while volunteers like me have to fund the research needed to write & improve content from our own pockets -- which is what the end users come to Wikipedia for, not K-RAD K3WL bells & whistles. -- llywrch (talk) 07:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
I haven't spent much time looking at the budget, but I've got the impression that most of it is indeed helping volunteers fulfill educational goals—just not specifically helping established, first-world editors (like you and me) add content to the world's largest reference source. In addition to spending several million dollars just on basic operations (their "internet bill" is a couple million each year by itself), projects like Wikipedia Zero are not free, and they make a few million dollars in grants each year, with an emphasis on the Global South and developing countries. I believe that all of the "engineering and product" expenses amount to less than half the total expenses each year, and some of that work is definitely wanted by very willing communities. This year, they are spending more than a million dollars on making the sites run faster, and I haven't seen anyone complain about that. Note, too, that some projects are not paid for by donations, but by specific grants. The first years of VisualEditor's development were paid for by a grant, even though producing a rich-text editor was one of the top priorities identified by editors at strategy.wiki, and so you might have thought that spending money on it would mean spending money on what editors wanted. (As a side note: VisualEditor's popularity varies significantly by language. About half the editors at the Portuguese Wikipedia are using it on any given day, but it's only a quarter of users at some other languages. I wish that I knew why.)
You are, however, correct that the WMF never pays for content.
I asked this question because some WMF staff know that there are some great tools (or tools that could be great, with a re-write) in a few of the larger projects. Most of them aren't available at smaller projects. One conversation has been whether it would be desirable, from the perspective of the volunteers, to incorporate one or more of those tools into MediaWiki and for the WMF to provide support for it. HotCat has been mentioned as an example. It occurs to me that some users might get more value out of having one or more of the X! Tools supported. But it also occurs to me that if writing and maintaining a tool like that were what I did for fun, then I might not appreciate the WMF taking it over, and, as you say, providing a "revision history search" isn't exactly "directly help[ing] the volunteers create an encyclopedia", so maybe you would see that as just money "fritter[ed] away on…K3WL bells & whistles".
Anyway, if anything's going to happen with this idea, then there will be an opportunity for people to talk about which tools they think are most important, and I'll make sure to post a note here at VPT about it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

My guess is xtools has some sort of memory leak that eventually leads to timeouts. Supercount just a little bit less so, eventually giving a response. Judging by what MPelletier (WMF) and Cyberpower678 are saying, a restart seems to fix the problem? Whatamidoing (WMF) if an occasional restart is all that's needed, I wouldn't think the developers would be that offended, especially since they are trying to take an intentional break from the project. Anything beyond that may require a larger discussion on whether the WMF can takeover tools should the loss of the service be a detriment to the project. — MusikAnimal talk 06:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Given the history in the foundations deployment of software, and how well it's been received, echo, flow, the loss of the OBoD, I would be opposed to having the foundation take over xTools. Anyone is free to suggest patches on GitHub, to help fix memory leaks, if any. I think there might be too much load on xTools, given the restrictions imposed by tool labs, is causing the load times to increase, and some people try to refresh mid load, increasing memory usage, and eventually crashing the web service. xTools is a highly used tool. I think it's time for it to move to its own instance. As for super count, something I wrote on my own, I don't see memory leaks being an issue, but slow DBs do cause slow load times, which leads to refreshed mid-load, etc. I will do some thorough looking into next week to see what the culprit is.—cyberpowerChatAbsent 14:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Supercount, albeit slow, is an adequate substitute for the regular edit counter, at least so long as there is an expectation that the regular edit counter will be fixed and back up to speed soon. But is there a alternate tool or tools for "Revision history statistics"? I've looked and can't find one. Also, I'm not a coder or database maven so what I'm about to ask may be roll-your-eyes stupid to those of you who are, but would it be possible to write a simple tool which, in the interim, restarts the Xtools every couple of hours? Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Hedonil wrote a gadget for the web service, called web watcher, which monitors the service of xtools, and did a pretty bang up job, until we all switched to Big Brother, another Labs concoction, that doesn't seem to be reliable. All tools are slow as long as the DB takes forever to deliver the results. Lately, the database has been working slowly and not been keeping up with replication. The WMF Labs staff in charge of those DBs really don't seem inclined to do anything about it, meaning you can expect slow results for a while longer. Supercount and xtools will operate faster if the DB responds as fast as it used to when replication was first introduced to labs. ATM, I wish I was on tool server. At least that seemed to be more stable.—cyberpower ChatAbsent 15:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

supercount has pretty large security holes in it. I wouldn't advise anyone to use it. Legoktm (talk) 01:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

What do you meany by 'security holes' - apologies if I've missed something somewhere, genuinely curious! Reticulated Spline(tc) 01:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Cross-site scripting ones specifically that were reported to the maintainer nearly a month ago that still haven't been patched. Legoktm (talk) 02:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
If you haven't noticed, I haven't been very active. But even so, grabbing a the OAuth session cookie of a user OAuthed into the tool, will not get very far, because they need the secret key to get it to work, and the cookie does not save that. That made no sense actually since my tool reads the cookie and all a user has to do is replace their own with the stolen cookie. I advise not using OAuth on the tool for the time being and logging out if you're logged in, per Legoktm.—cyberpower ChatAbsent 13:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Valuable tools should be turned into MediaWiki core features or MediaWiki extensions. In my opinion, relying on Wikimedia Labs is a bad idea for the same reason that relying on the Toolserver was a bad idea. It's great for quick scripts and demos and proofs-of-concept, but it simply doesn't have the same quality control and consequently the same level of uptime and performance as the production cluster. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

MZMcBride, or anyone else who's interested:
If you made a list of the "valuable tools" that should be turned into MediaWiki core features or MediaWiki extensions, what would be on the list? My own list would unfortunately look a bit too much like "the couple of tools I use", so I'd love to hear suggestions from people with broader experience, or tools that are only in use at other projects. Please let me know—post here, send me e-mail, add lists on my talk page, send singing telegrams to the office, whatever works best for you. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF), why wait for a complete list? Start with XTools which is the one causing the most aggravation judging by the mentions here and elsewhere. --NeilNtalk to me 14:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I would argue that page and user statistics, similar to those provided at 'Revision history statistics' and 'Edit count', should be a standard service provided by Wikipedia (MediaWiki) and it should guarantee a minimum service level regarding up-time and performance.--Wolbo (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF), I need the range block calculator, which has not been operational for at least a month. Thanks, -- Diannaa (talk) 04:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
@Diannaa: If I remember correctly its purpose, how about IP Range to CIDR? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:51, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
No, it doesn't seem to do the same job. The range block calculator allowed the user to input several IPs and the tool would calculate the smallest possible range block that would cover all the IPs. -- Diannaa (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Whatamidoing (WMF) (and others), I noticed the link to the new Tools survey on top of my watchlist and thought, "Great! Some progress in this area!" Then I actually took the survey. My thoughts are here. Warning - they're not pretty. --NeilN talk to me 23:29, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Mass message like extension to help renaming or deleting categories

Until such a time as we have category tables (T15326), I was thinking that it would be useful to have an extension that allows a user with the appropriate permission to request on a special page that a bot makes all the necessary changes to directly categorized pages (in the [[Category:Foo]] format), either updating for a rename or removing for a deletion. This would work similarly as mass message, we could grant the rename permission to a "category renamer" usergroup, maybe with a limit on the number of pages in the category, and grant the unlimited rename and remove permissions to admins. Users would have to move the category beforehand when renaming (there should be a warning message if the category to rename to doesn't exist), and admins would have to delete it afterwards for deletion. This would significantly simplify CFD procedures and implementations. Cenarium (talk) 15:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Isn't there a bot that does that? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes there is, three bots in fact, but it is exceedingly complicated to operate, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working. This would make everything smoothly in one click for directly included categories. Cenarium (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
The current process is not "exceedingly complicated": uncontroversial requests are listed at WP:CFD/S and processed after 48 hours if no one objects. Controversial requests are more complicated because they require a full nomination and discussion, but there is good reason that they should not be left to the discretion of individual users with a particular user right. -- Black Falcon(talk) 20:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
They wouldn't be granted the userright if they weren't active and experienced in this area, as with file mover, and it wouldn't be left to their discretion, there would still be discussions. There is a general long term need to offload some of the admin workload to trusted established users, and that's totally the kind of things that could be done with minimal issues. After all, the category move userright didn't create as many problems as anticipated, and it's granted to all autoconfirmed users. But it can be restricted to admins, if necessary, this would still save lots of time and allow more admins to help in this area due to the much easier implementation, as I mention below. Cenarium (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • This also seems like a fairly simple task for a UserScript to accomplish, if anyone is interested in that of course. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
WP:AWB has that function. --Glaisher (talk) 15:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
The problem is that it clogs up user contributions. And while having bots do this is complicated but feasible on wikipedia, it's not on other projects where there isn't the technical expertise, so an extension would help them even more. Cenarium (talk) 15:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't really consider "clogging up contribs" as it's not hard to make AWB or a script mark all the edits as minor or as bot (for bot accounts) which makes them easy to filter out of contribs. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 17:03, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, I presume the closing admins don't do this because it is too much of a hassle or takes too much time (even more than using the bots). There's a reason most admins stay far away from WP:CFD, me included, not only the possible outcomes and criteria used in discussions are exceptionally obscure even by WP standards, but the implementation of closures is excessively complex, so it's constantly backlogged. A simple, fast and effective way of repopulating or depopulating categories would go a long away in improving the situation. (As a note, I should mention that the special page should allow to merge multiple categories into one - just an example.) Cenarium (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

A simple way for an admin to do this without without clogging his/her edits is to create an alternate AWB account (and declare it publicly, to be sure not to have SOCK issues); autherize that account to use AWB (at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage - mention that the account is yours in the edit summary); and use it for CFD implementations. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 19:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Well nobody has ever shown me how to do Mass-deletes or Mass-moves using AWB and, as an Admin elsewhere, the lack of such built-in, Special: pages to do either of those tasks (like Nuke does) has pissed me off to no end.

The best that I could find was just for mass deletes and was lifted from Wikimedia Incubator awhile back (see s:MediaWiki:Gadget-massdelete.js; needs delete rights). Its not exactly "perfect" rendering wise and is probably in need of a refresh given the deprecated .js/json stuff since its last re-write but it works reliably. I'm sure a similar script to do mass-moves can be gleamed from it as well but stuff like that is beyond my skill-set. Still, if anyone takes a stab at [re]doing either, I sure would appreciate a heads-up on any progress or suggested changes. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:47, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm thinking one of us is missing something. We are talking about moving categories from say Category:Bar to Category:Foo for example, right? If so, then there is only one page being moved, the actual category page itself. All of the members are moved by editing each one of them individually and replacing [[Category:Bar]] with [[Category:Foo]]. This is just a series of edits, which should be simple to do. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 03:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
    • The edits are simple but it's not the issue. The issue is that the vast majority of users are not well versed in semi-automated editing, there are 2361 WP:AWB non-admin users, not all active, compared to 130000+ active users. Even among admins, I'm pretty sure more than 90% of them have never used a semi-automated tool for maintenance like AWB. It's not going to change, it's just too much of an investment to learn semi-automated editing when personally you don't have a great need for it, so an easy to use software addition would be worthwhile. Mass messaging users can also be made easily with a semi-automated tool, but only for those experienced in using them, so having a mass message extension makes it much more accessible, same with categories. Cenarium (talk) 12:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
      • Not at all what I was suggesting. What I'm saying is that a userscript can be written in JavaScript so that if the user is on Special:MovePage and mw.config.get('wgRelevantPageName') starts with "Category:" then the script would modify the DOM to add a button on the Special Move page or if it is on a category page that doesn't exist but has members, add a link in the sidebar, next to move in the toolbar up to, or whereever people want to move the contents of the category to another category either based on the move log or what the editor defines. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:00, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

This sounds like the kind of idea that's been proposed before (because it's been a source of pain for years). Does anyone know if it ever made it into an official feature request? If not, I can file one. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): I didn't see anything at phabricator, and I was planing on making a request but please go ahead. I feel like I've filed enough of those recently and I'm sure you'll know how to get more attention for it. Cenarium (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI. Updated {{Tracked}} as the bug there was identified as duplicate of phab:T5311. Revi 06:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Just noticed this. That shouldn't be a duplicate, it's a fix until we have category tables and such, which we know isn't going to be any time soon. Cenarium (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Map template problem

Could someone please take a look at the map on the Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War article. It is using a template that is some 2.5 times wider than normal page width, requiring a fair bit of scrolling to view it. When viewed on a tablet you get a full page map, with the text so small you almost miss seeing it. EG:-

<!--Transcluding {{Syrian Civil War detailed map}} makes the post-expand include size exceed the 2048000-byte limit. Substitute it instead.--> {{navbar Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map}}{{#invoke:Location map/multi load Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map}} Richard Harvey (talk) 10:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I removed the navbar template, which was doing nothing useful. I also removed the map on the grounds that it was breaking the page, but it has been restored by an IP. There is disagreement over removing the map, see the talk page. I have made a minor improvement to the map module in the sandbox, which relies (as does much of the module) on the module being used only on that page.
There are several similar maps
Though none of these are used in article space.
There are significant issues in keeping these maps updated and reliably referenced (they are not referenced explicitly, only in the sections relating to the towns, if at all). While these are being raised on the talk page of the article, and no disruption is taking place, most of the issues seem unresolved at a first glance. The general issue has also been raised at the OR noticeboard
I have suggested splitting the map that is used (and the article) by governorate, if that level of detail is needed. That would solve the problems with the size of the map, and the slow loading of the page. It would not, of course, resolve the RS/NPOV/OR... etc. issues.
Pinging @Jackmcbarn: who understands these modules/maps, and can probably help with the tech side.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC).
Screenshot of a broken WP article.
Here is how the page loaded for me earlier today. I think this map is pushing the technology beyond its limits. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC).
Please note that the navbar is absolutely essential to edit the map.
As well, the map works quite well on a desktop or laptop computer, and is not overly slow to load for a map of that size. It is not surprising that it might not work well on a small tablet without a special version.
The nature of the map content is such that splitting it is not desirable.
It could be improved, but it is better to leave it to someone with the technical skills and familiar with the project. Regards :) André437 (talk) 22:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, a few things:
  1. The navbar template is useful: it lets you jump to the map's definition from the article (basically the same thing any other navbar does).
  2. The history in that sandbox is so messy that I can't tell what you (Rich Farmbrough) did. Can you explain it?
  3. The brokenness you screenshotted was because the base image failed to load. I assume it's a one-off failure, since it hasn't occurred since, and nothing has happened that would have either caused or fixed it.
  4. It's technically feasible to split up the map into smaller ones, while still having the large one available (in the exact same way that the Syrian and Iraqi maps are combined now).
  5. It would be possible to hide the map from mobile view while retaining it on desktop view.
Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
(Excuse my numbering your points.)
  1. Yep, no need to belabour this point Face-smile.svg - though a loose {{Navbar}} is extremely unusual.
  2. The last but one edit by me is a synchronization with the live version, as the edit summary says. The last edit removes the page name from many of the anchors. Simples.
  3. The "one off failure" is almost certainly related to the size of the image, the massive number if sub-images, and general bigness of the data constructs. I have worked with pages that took longer to load, but never with one as complex as this. I doubt I am the only person who has had the image crash.
  4. That's cool, I think it would help, Andre disagrees: I understand his viewpoint, but rank usability higher.
  5. Further to this would it be possible to display an alternative thumbnail map?
I have a few couple of ideas that may improve speed/size slightly. One is to create combined dot-images rather than overlaying, say, red on green. The second (and I have not looked at the way the map works so this may not be practicable) is to use a method that has the same link for the label and the dot, without having to specify it twice.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC).
2. My guess is that some of those were there so that when you're looking at the map by itself, the links still work.
5. Perhaps. I'll look into this.
Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
(I'll use the same numbering, adding #6 7 8 9)
2. I intend to use a variable to make links always link to the map (when that is the intended target). I've tested it in the sandbox and it works. This does reduce the size of the module, since the page title is much longer, and should make edits easier. Depending on how it is processed, it might reduce the footprint. This will also make the links work wherever the map is used, which is currently not the case.
4. For usability, it is important to display the map together, since many critical points to understanding the war cross governorate boundaries. Note also that splitting would a very time-consuming exercise, since the map is coded more or less by latitude, with very few references to the governorate of a point. As well, it would be very challenging for future edits to the map. (Many different maps.)
Some points on the border with Iraq aren't being updated since they belong to a different map, even though inside Syria. Not advantageous for maintainability.
6. (added number) Combining dots instead of overlaying could help. I've already been thinking of creating icons for certain such cases. (I've created most of the icons listed in the caption.)
Another idea could be a means of specifying more than 1 icon in the same line. (Maybe mark2="..." overlays mark="..." or mark="... ...") At least for Syria, that is common.
7. (added number) As for label and dot links, I am hoping to eventually persuade other editors of the page to agree to remove most if not all label links, displaying the label without a link. With so many dots, the label links (which cover a much larger area) tend to interfere with the dot links. Many labels will then be much shorter. To now there has been a certain resistance.
In any case, it would make sense for a label="[[text]]" to take the link of the dot. I can't see a use case for a label without a dot.
8. (added number) Other things that might help save space : remove spaces around equal signs. (They also make the code somewhat less readable, since the associations are less visible), unambiguous abbreviations for parameters (like pos= instead of position=)
9. (added number) I've documented some of my tests at the top of the sandbox map. (If not still there, I can recover that from the history.) Could we document tests there, so as to be more easily kept ? André437 (talk) 13:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
2. I'm not sure if this will work the way you want it to, but I guess it's worth trying.
4. I could automate the splitting process, and there still would be an easy way to view the map as a whole.
6. Combining dots would definitely help and is worth doing. It's not worth trying to specify multiple icons in the same line, though.
7. There's a software bug that makes that a bad idea right now. Once it's fixed (I'll let you know), you should do that.
8. Please don't do that. That will make it more confusing to edit, and the way the module works, it wouldn't actually improve anything.
9. The talk page would be a better place to explain what you've tried. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Question for Jackmcbarn :
What is the point of a secondary module for the border between Syria and Iraq ?
Everything that isn't static (like a bridge or river) is either on the Syrian side or the Iraqi side. This would include control of border crossings. So control would be specified by whoever is editing the appropriate side. By having a third map to update, it complicates updating. In Syria, we are talking about tens of changes each day, and it is likely close to that in Iraq.
If the idea is to show what is just across the border, couldn't there be some means of referring to the map of the other country ? Maybe this third map explains why some points in Syria appear on the wrong side of the border. So far, it hasn't shown anything that is really on the other side. André437 (talk) 15:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@Andre437: The point of the secondary module is so that the border crossings only need to be maintained in one place. If the different sides of the border crossing aren't in the same hands, then feel free to move them back to the primary modules. The closest thing we have to being able to refer to maps of another country is the system currently in place, though. I don't think it's responsible for points being on the wrong side of the border. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: I just noticed the ping markup :) I'll start using it. (Note my id has an accent.)
(responding by numbers)
2) Ok, I'll start implementing the variable for the page name. It has a plus for the editors (being much shorter to type), as well as making links show reliably when invoked on other pages.
4) I'd like to try other things before splitting the map, since it would give more maps to edit, but the fact that it can display together makes it feasible.
6) Ok, I'll make up combined dots for stable shared control. That is the only place with more that 2 icons for the same point. It will make things easier for editors as well.
Multiple icons in the same line would have been a neat trick if it were feasible, but one can't have everything ;)
7) That bug affects labels without links ? That explains the strong objection of certain editors. It looked ok on the browsers I run on Linux. Awaiting it being fixed.
It would be nice to have the enhancement I mentioned of taking the link address of the icon.
8) You mean don't do remove_spaces_around_equal_signs -or- don't do abbreviations ?
The first would put id=value on the same line in edit mode (except maybe for space in value, thus a little easier to see),
the second was just less to type. In any case, I'll cooperate with whichever you meant.
9) Right. I should have thought of putting notes on the sandbox talk page.
last_post) As far as I know, only al-Bukamal (Syria) and al-Qa'im (Iraq) are in the same hands (ISIS/Daesh) both side of the border (among points on the Syria map). In the north, the kurdish groups are different.
As for points on the wrong side of the border, that has happened with other countries as well, so probably just an error in coordinates.
I'm inclined to move everything back (including al-Bukamal), to keep it simpler. It wouldn't be hard to maintain one point separately. In fact, since Daesh removed the border crossing, at the moment there is only 2 towns about 25km apart.
I'll discuss it with my fellow editors first. Several also work on Iraq.
Thanks for the feedback :) André437 (talk) 18:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@André437: 2. Good, but can you put it in the sandbox first and show it to me before you put it in the main module?
4. Okay, that's fine.
6. Good.
7. Yes. It should be fixed shortly (in a few weeks).
8. Neither one will make the page any faster or smaller for readers.
last_post. Okay. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: 2. Very good idea. Will do, soon. And let you know when done.
4. A thought on that. Could Syria be split in 2 (among governorate boundaries) instead of 14 ? Although as long as there is enough space, would there be any advantage in footprint size if the parts are always displayed together ?
6. I'll work on the combined icons soon too.
7. Nice to know. That would be a huge space saving. Plus a much more user-friendly map.
8. Ok. I had been thinking only from an editor point of view.
BTW, I tend to be over committed with things, so soon could be a week or 2. André437 (talk) 19:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@André437: 4. From a performance perspective, displaying the two half-maps is exactly the same as displaying a full map. Splitting the map would only help performance if you didn't display all the pieces at once. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Jackmcbarn: I suspected so. Thanks for the info :) André437 (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

What redirects links here

What happened to [66]? --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 04:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Fauzan: Per Wikipedia:Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver replacements, it moved to http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py - don't know why the toolserver links stopped redirecting - maybe Dispenser can tell us. GoingBatty (talk) 04:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Damn it, not again. --NE2 05:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I have updated the link used in Special:WhatLinksHere.[67]PrimeHunter (talk) 12:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: - you need to use {{FULLPAGENAMEE}} in that link, otherwise the namespace is omitted. – Reticulated Spline(tc) 12:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I've changed it. Cenarium (talk) 13:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Its one thing to destroy a community to strike-out a "while elephant" from WMDE's budget, it's an entirely another thing to bullshit us about supporting users transition to cloud services then pull the plug. This is simply unacceptable. I written to the head of this whole mess, Silke Meyer. — Dispenser 22:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
So WMF doesn't want to redirect toolserver.org links to non-WMF sites for privacy policy reasons. What else should we update? {{Disambiguation needed}} contains {{fullurl:tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py page={{FULLPAGENAMEE}}&editintro=Template:Disambiguation_needed/editintro&client=Template:Dn}}. @Dispenser: I guess that should be http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py?page={{FULLPAGENAMEE}}&editintro=Template:Disambiguation_needed/editintro&client=Template:Dn? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Phantom links mystery

According to [68], there is a link on Template:France topics to Government of France, a disambiguation page. The API confirms that a link exists from Template:France topics to Government of France. But I can't find any such link in the template's wikitext. I also tried Special:ExpandTemplates and I can't find any link in the expanded wikitext. (I also checked in case the link might be going through a redirect, but found nothing.) I'm tempted to file a bug report with Wikimedia, but before doing so, wanted to check here to see if there is something I have overlooked. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

{{#ifexist}} causes a WhatLinksHere entry. {{France topics}} contains {{Country topics country = France ...}} and {{Country topics}} contains {{#ifexist:{{{country {{{territory {{{region }}}}}}}}}, so there is no bug but only an odd feature which has confused many others. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
More accurately, the entry for Government of France is caused by {{#ifexist:Government of {{{prefix }}} {{{country .... The template has many #ifexist for something involving {{{country}}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation. At least I'm not crazy. :-) But this is going to make maintenance of Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links extremely difficult. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I need help setting up a table

I have created List of Post Office Murals to serve as a place to deal with a lot of murals being listed at Post Office Murals. I would like to break the list down into US states so that each state could be edited separately, because I suspect that the list / table is going to get large. How can I do this other than creating 50 separate lists? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

You can put the headers in the table: list of primary state highways in Kentucky (but it may not be sortable then). --NE2 01:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The process of converting classic talk pages to Flow

This degenerated quickly. If anyone wants to respond to what the OP actually said, do so at the relevant page on MediaWiki.org. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

(BG: Flow). There are various ways to convert talk pages to Flow. Discussed at this page. I would like to know what we would like to have. Please join the discussion. Gryllida 23:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

How about we don't convert talk pages to flow? Our current system works great and flow looks like something that would be more at home on facebook than wikipedia. Chillum 00:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
mw:Flow#Features shows the routine problems Flow addresses. --Gryllida (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Like forgetting which wiki you're on? --NE2 01:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Would you like some Kool-Aid with that? Johnuniq (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
That's both offensive and unconstructive. Please tone it down and substantiate your objections. {{Nihiltres talk edits}} 02:01, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I had a typo in my piped link so it read "Kook-Aid"; sorry, that much snark was unintentional and I've fixed it. Regarding the issue: we will have no idea what Flow is like until it goes live on many pages, with some of them large and frequently edited. Small tests with people posting artificial messages will not give any idea of how it would work for serious discussions. The problem is that once it is switched on, it is very difficult to rollback. Johnuniq (talk) 03:20, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the above no one wants this shite and as I said before we aint Facebook .... Also Don't fix what ain't broken. –Davey2010(talk) 02:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm cautiously interested in Flow. Sure, wikitext discussions are conceptually purer and more flexible, but they're also not intuitive to people unfamiliar with wikitext. If that's a barrier to participation—which it seems to be—then a "don't fix what's not broken" argument doesn't apply. The drastic change in format that Flow entails does mean we should tread carefully, but that's not the same as dismissing it immediately. {{Nihiltres talk edits}} 04:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
A product that no one wants, is clunky & obtuse, and is inferior to what it purports to replace; it could only be the product of either government contractors or non-profit employees, i.e. the people that excel at burning through other people's money. Tarc (talk) 03:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

visual editor revisited

i would like to make a proposal, but before i do, i'd like to hear what the distinguished wikipedians frequenting this page think, and hopefully refine the proposal based on feedback.

some background: when VE was initially enabled on enwiki, the VE team was not quick to response to real problems and issue reports, and even worse, responded dismissively, basically creating the impression they do not really care what the community thinks, and confident in their ability to steamroll enwiki community and force their view that "VE is good enough". the community revolted, and it seems, at least this once, that the community was more powerful than the devs, and we turned VE off by default for enwiki.

since then, the VE team have constantly worked and improved the tool. as far as i know, it is "on" by default on most wikimedia wikis, and the results are largely positive. the tool have improved a lot: e.g., loading times, which was prohibitive long, seem to be much better now (opening a large article like Paris - ~190K, took me about 8 seconds. it takes about 5 seconds to open it with the wikitext editor).

some features of VE are just not available anywhere - try to edit a table with VE - either edit its content or add a new row or column - it's pure pleasure compared with doing *anything* with tables without it.

there are other little delights: e.g., when you want to add an internal link to the page, VE actually uses the same "suggestions" as the search box (so after entering "mar" you can select Martinique and never have to worry about spelling - same for harder links, like 2014 World Indoor Athletics Championships), and if the IL you chose happens to be redirect or disambiguation page, VE will let you know. there are more goodies that will help even veteran editors, but i'll stop here.

i'd like to propose an experiment: let's turn VE on for a controlled subset of new editors (e.g., all those whose hashed username modulo 7 is 3 or something), and use some metrics to compare those users with a control group for whom VE will remain off by default, and look at the results within a couple of months.

if your initial reaction is "hell no", then i guess it's based on one of the following:

  1. hell no! VE will never be "on" on enwiki! wikitext editor was good enough for my grandmother, it was good enough for my mother, it's good enough for me, and it will be good enough for my daughter!
  2. we might turn on VE on enwiki at some date in the future, but it's not time yet: not until (X and Y) or until VE will (A and B and C)

if it's #1, i guess there's little to discuss. however, if it's #2, i'd like to hear what should improve before we can run the proposed experiment.

my intention is to open a WP:VPR proposal for this, but before i do, i'd like to hear what wp:vpt thinks about it.

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I've been thinking for a while that we should made VE the default. I think it's improved enough now that the community should be much more receptive to it. Also, I think new editors might already be asked if they want to enable VE as a part of mw:Onboarding new Wikipedians? I'd have to check the details on that, though. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 01:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Until VE supports table editing, I will not support making it the default. Adding columns is incredibly tedious in wikicode and could be made much easier by a working visual editor, but without it, visual editor is far more restrictive than the normal wikitext editor in terms of what it can do, and it prevents people from editing important areas of articles. StringTheory11 (tc) 04:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@StringTheory11: Table editing was recently deployed. It may not work for tables that are entirely generated from templates (which quite a few of them are, unfortunately), but for basic tables or tables that partially contain templates, operations like inserting/deleting rows/columns or even creating colspan/rowspan rules should work now. Try it e.g. on this article (without saving) or in the VE sandbox.--Erik Moeller (WMF) (talk) 05:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Erik Moeller (WMF) me and some other work on fixing tables all around Wikipedia. This will make VE's work much easier. At least we don't have any tables directly written in html anymore. Now we work on removing deprecated parameters and close all unclosed tables. (Very few left). There is still some things to be done though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Slightly meandering thought: Is there merit in the idea of having a "strict" parser function that when present on a page catches illformed wikitext (like unclosed tables) and HTML, and refuses to save? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Why would we make VE the default when it isn't even the editor of choice on wiki-versions where it has been the default for more than a year? I wanted to test table editing, random article opened Francis Schmidt, went to the "head coaching record" templates, tried to open these (no, not a table, but needs to be edited anyway), and got

"Een script op deze pagina is bezig, of het reageert niet meer. U kunt het script nu stoppen, de scriptdebugger openen, of het script laten doorgaan. Script: https://bits.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=20141124T040933Z:4"

I choose to stop the script, and now VE hangs on that page and nothing works (cancel, browser back and forth, ...). VE has improved a lot (not too difficult if you start from a really terrible thing and spend a lot of resources which could have been used to improve wikitext editing instead), but any attempt to make this the default editor is again a push to justify the WMF-wastes of resources without any solid argument for it. Table editing? I did another random article search, and got to Oh Kwang-soo. You can open and edit the tables. You can't add a header row (a row spanning the table, like there is now). The table editing "works", but is cumbersome to say the least. I add a row, enter some text,but it is left-justified, while all the cells above have centered text. Worse, the table doesn't even look the same in VE as it does in standard view. The "final" row is moved to the left for no apparent reason.

Or take Parallel adoption, go to the tables, add a new column at the end. Background color of the header cell is copied, noce! Now I add text in it. Oh, he formats it as a content cell, not a header cell. No problem, I can change that in the dropdown at the top! But if I do that, I lose the background colour of that new header cell... This supposedly works? This has been tested? As much as is usually the case, probably...

As usual, a new "tool" is deployed where only the most basic functionalities work, and all the rest is still very buggy... @Erik Moeller (WMF):, you above point to Yuji Nariyama as one that works, but even there, try to create such a table in VE, or to add a subtotal or other country or anything beyond the most basic rows... It simply doesn't work. Claiming that "table editing" works is similar to claiming that the WMF is known for succesful software releases.

Oppose any change to the status of VE, support immediate end to all paid development of VE and transferring of those funds and some of the people to development of wikitext editing, the editor of choice of all environments where VE has been made the default over a year ago anyway. Fram (talk) 10:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Fram, funds should be used for keeping essential tools running, per my older comment here.[69] It's not about being "against" the VE, there are just other more urgent things that need to work properly, as a minimum requirement fr editing efficiently. FunkMonk (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Oppose, due to this community's hostility towards the developers creating too much friction and noise for it to be beneficial to the larger goals of our software development processes. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 13:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@Fram: I presume you are in Kipod's category 1, then? :) I admit that it would be better if the templates on Francis Schmidt loaded before Firefox popped up its "this script may not be responding" dialogue. But it does work if you let the script continue running. (Perhaps it would be faster if we added TemplateData to the templates?) On Oh Kwang-soo I managed to get a header row without too much trouble. Here are the steps: 1) click on one of the existing header cells, 2) click on the row arrow on the left hand side of the table, 3) click "insert below" from the menu that pops up, 4) select all the cells in the new header row, 5) go to the table menu at the top and click "merge cells". I couldn't make it the same colour as the other existing header row, but for newbies this has to be easier than raw wikitable syntax. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 14:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I fixed the wikitext of Parallel adoption and Oh Kwang-sooTheDJ (talkcontribs) 14:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but they didn't need fixing, they rendered perfectly. That VE can't handle them is VE's problem (and VE still can't handle them, although some cases have been solved now). Fram (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
That did need fixing, they were broken wikitext syntax. Just because something renders, doesn't make it valid. If I stumble over a bucket of white paint and the floor ends up painted white, then that might be just what you want, but not what you intended. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 14:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
But to add colour, or center the text in a new row at the bottom, or... they still need to know and edit the wikisyntax anyway. So with VE, you need to know VE tricks (like the way you used to add a real header row) and wikitext editing (see also: template editing in VE; see also the lack of a preview button and the wikitext in "review your changes"). The list of things lacking or deficient in VE is way too long, even after all this time. You may consider as being in Kipod's category 2, but where "not until "X and Y"" include some rather serious X and Y. Take e.g. a look at Oh Kwang-soo, where the table (which showed up differently in VE) has been "fixed" by theDJ (isn't it strange that the code, which renders perfectly allright for readers and for wikitext editors, needs fixing in VE?): if I now add a new row at the bottom, I still can't do a lot of basic layout things with it, and I can't even edit the bottom right cell! But the basic problem I have is the choice to spend all this effort on a tool not used by most editors anyway (based on other language versions), and with unclear if any results for editor attraction and retention, instead of seriously improving the main editing tool (e.g. some of the things developed for VE could be useful as a gadget in Wikitext editing, e.g. a file selector or template editor: but I still haven't seen any sign that anyone at the WMF (apart from perhaps Tretikov) is interested in improving the main tool that has created Wikipedia and that will be used for years to come). This gives a very strong impression that the WMF (or the few people directly responsible for VE and similar misfortunes) only cares about developing new fancy software, and not about what is actually needed by the editors (and would be a great improvement for new editors as well, making file and template handling easier in wikitext editing would benefit everyone!). If they are not interested in what we need, why would I support their ambitions to make VE the default editor? The default editor needs to be the best of the options in most cases, not the best for some very simple tasks, somewhat usable for other tasks, and useless for the rest. Fram (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
User:Fram asked above: "Why would we make VE the default when it isn't even the editor of choice on wiki-versions where it has been the default for more than a year?"
i thought i made it clear in my original post, but please be patient and let me iterate the relevant points:
  1. i did not suggest to make VE the default. i suggested to re-start an experiment that will allow us to measure what effect it has on contribution of new users. personally, i think that objecting vehemently to conducting such experiment/measurement, hints that the protester maybe suspects the measurement will have conclusions they won't like.
  2. i tried to explain the point about "where it has been the default for more than a year": i happen to agree that it was a mistake to turn it on at the time it was turned on - IMO it was not ready, and turning it on was premature (if Fram is correct claiming it's "not the editor of choice" in wikis where it's the default, it supports the view it was wrong to turn it on at the time it was done). i also mentioned that VE made great improvements in recent releases, so data about "where it's been the default for over a year" may not be relevant. all i suggested was to try and measure its effect on new editor's ability to contribute.
as a side, i'd like to ask anyone, including Fram, to report any bug they encounter with VE, rather than "hoard" it and use it as ammo for the holy battle to kill VE. if you do not want to log-in to phabricator, you can report any VE issue here: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
The stats on use by logged-in editors are generally divided into two groups: people who started editing with wikitext and people who started editing after VisualEditor was offered by default (NB that "offered by default", which is what's done at about half the Wikipedias, is not the same thing as "the default editor". "The default editor" is the editor you get when you don't have any choice, e.g., the editor that is used when you WP:UNDO an edit. VisualEditor has never been the true default editor anywhere).
I believe that the latest global stats are that about 35% of the editors who created their accounts after VisualEditor was offered by default are using VisualEditor (although not necessarily using only VisualEditor), compared to only about 5% of people who started editing with wikitext. It varies significantly by language. One thing that's a bit weird about the English Wikipedia is that in most projects, IPs have an editing pattern similar to brand-new accounts, but here at en.wp, the adoption rates by IPs mirrored that of experienced editors (during July 2013). So at, say, the French Wikipedia, if you have 25% of brand-new registered editors using VisualEditor, but only 5% of old hands using it, then you'll have about 25% of IPs using it. But here, it was 10% for old hands and 10% for IPs, and (if memory serves) a bit more than double that for the newly registered editors.
On the question of how new editors respond to VisualEditor, there was a little bit of research attempted at the end of June 2013, but there were some problems with it (including a very short time period, due partly to a technical problem that killed the first several days' work—I'm not sure any longer, but that also might be the study that had some event logging problems, like more people allegedly saving pages than allegedly opened pages in VisualEditor, which is impossible) and a very limited experience in VisualEditor, which could only barely add references or templates at that time). If the analytics team weren't so overloaded, it might be possible to re-create that study here, only over a more useful timeframe and with more time to get all the details tested beforehand. For example, we could offer VisualEditor to a certain percentage of brand-new accounts for a month or two, and see whether people using VisualEditor were more likely to get blocked (or whatever other outcome you want to measure).
Fram has provided a lot of practical support for VisualEditor during the last year and a half, especially with reporting bugs that appear in Firefox. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
i guess i owe User:Fram an apology for implying that he(?) is only collecting bugs as amo for the battle to nuke VE, rather than reporting them. sorry about that. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Week oppose while VE has got a lot better, there is still one show-stopper for me, the adding of <nowiki> tags. Looking at nowiki added tag VE is still adding a good number of nowiki's where they are not needed for instance [70]. Until it can produce clean edits its not ready for prime time yet.--Salix alba (talk): 21:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    @Salix alba: That particular edit looks like user error rather than a VE problem. The user probably typed in [[nanoparticles]] character for character, not realising that it wouldn't be interpreted as wikitext. It is correct for VE to add nowiki tags in this case, as what you type into the edit window of VE should be interpreted visually, not as wikitext. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 22:10, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    it's still a VE bug: VE should do something more intelligent when the editor enters [‏‎[<something> than simply surround it with "nowiki". i suggested one way to deal with it more than a year ago (Phabricator:T53897). there are other ways, but the current behavior, even if nominally it's "user error", should still be considered VE bug. however, if the community can commit to "once this issue is fixed, enwiki will agree to re-run the experiment Whatamidoing mentioned, it may give VE team some extra motivation to do something about it. i think User:Salix alba gave an excellent answer to the question in my original post ("option #2"). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    I believe that the product manager calls that behavior a feature rather than a bug. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:27, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
    @Whatamidoing (WMF): i think your comment was made tongue-in-cheek, but actually, this is sadly true. this unfortunate attitude of the product manager is (IMO) the main reason VE is now disabled on enwiki. if the product manager would have respected the community and listened to it a year and a half ago, when the community tried to explain, loud and clear, that this is indeed a bug (and a very disruptive one, at that), we would have VE enabled on enwiki by now. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose The proposal seems to be that 30% of new users will have one editor, and 70% will have another- at random. So when I am training a group of nervous new users, some will have an editor that I know and the others will have a bit of beta eye-candy. So before I start, to teach them the basics I have to explain how they edit their preferences! ................. No. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    actually, my proposal was for 14%, not 30%, but this, of course, is immaterial. however, i am not sure we are talking about the same thing here: the proposal was to *enable* ve by default for the test group. an editor for whom VE is enabled still has full access to wikitext editor (under the "edit source" menu item), so they can choose which editor to use. the other editors ("control group") do not have a choice and are limited to wikitext editor. in a training situation, you can tell the trainees to use "edit source", or you can simply tell them to disable VE altogether - it takes less than 8 seconds (prefernces => Beta => VisualEditor => disable => save. 5 clicks in all). better yet - you can tell all the others to *enable* VE in their preferences, and train them using VE... either way, i do not see how this can be considered rational reason to oppose an experiment. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:08, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    VisualEditor is getting pretty good reviews from new editors in Wikipedia workshops these days, but which one is best depends on what you're doing (if you want to edit blockquotes or make tables rainbow-colored, then you need to use wikitext still). However, if you wanted to have a wikitext-based class, then there would never be a need to edit their preferences. You would just say, "Who sees both 'Edit' and 'Edit source' on their computer screens? Okay, I want all of you to always click on 'Edit source' so you can see the wikitext source itself. If it looks like a regular word processing program, then you clicked the wrong one. If you only see 'Edit', then that will automatically take you to the wikitext editor." Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:23, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

I know this is the place for Technical discussion, but something that was dramatically wrong last time round with VE should still be mentioned - Change management. It was a complete disaster on that front. I cannot remember all the details of the process editors were confronted with, but the impression I have (and impressions are critical) was one where the developers declared "It's ready. You will have it." Is this an equivalent process being proposed now? The mere fact that Change management hasn't even been mentioned suggests that it's still being ignored. HiLo48 (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose as per User:Fram. For a small fraction of the effort that has gone into VE, we could have beefed up the WikiEditor into an awesome state and still had funds leftover to tackle some Mediawiki bugs and do some stuff at Wikimedia Labs. VE has gotten better — that's true — but for all but fairly simple editing, it is often more confusing to use than editing the source. Mediawiki was designed around text editing and unfortunately it doesn't seem that a modern GUI interface is easily retro-fitted onto it. Jason Quinn (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose To be fair, a lot of issues have been fixed. Necessary functions, that should have been implemented right from the start, have been added. But there are still too many open issues, most of them minor, but also persistent complex bugs in fundamental areas like referencing, template editing and certainly in the new table functions. When all basic functions are working with no significant problems, VE can be switched to default. PS: Developers need to go back to traditional methods (like having a finished concept before starting development), the current approach to release an unfinished alpha-version and to finish it "along the way" was a major disaster. GermanJoe (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Note the auto-suggest feature for wiki-links works in the wiki-text editor on Wikia. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC).
    FWIW, there is an "autocomplete" script in WS:US that does autocomplete for internal links and templates in enwiki. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:31, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment. Not quite opposing, I can switch it off (won't use it). In my area of edits, templates, I run into this: <TemplateData> is very limited and not useful as documentation. It pertains to a very small part of the template whole. It can not be extended, no data structure deepening/widening, no textual support (in a popup or hyperlink?), no example option. In fact, one is required to document a template twice. Pick any well-documented template and compare how TempalteData can/does cover that. On top of this, I am supposed to learn JSON (structure & punctuation) even without preview option &tc., where we have Lua. -DePiep (talk) 22:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

"nowiki" issue fixed in latest version

basically, hitting [ or { twice, now opens the appropriate dialog instead of adding them to the page "as is" and wrapping the result in "nowiki" tags. please try it and see if there's any problems with this solution. @Salix:: is this enough to change your "weak oppose" to "support" ? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi @קיפודנחש:, thanks to ping me, but Salix is not the same user as @Salix alba:Face-wink.svg --Salix (talk) 18:41, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I'll wait and see. There are quite a few different cases where nowiki's occur. Such as [71], [72] where VE is being very precise. The use added a space at the start of the paragraph, it really should not be there at all but VE insists in quoting it inside nowiki's. Apologies to the other Salix for username confusion.--Salix alba (talk): 19:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
apologies for confusing between the different Salixes. as to the "nowiki": adding space at the beginning of a paragraph creates the same issue with wikicode (where it's interpreted as "pre"). i think the way VE handles it is the lesser evil, so i'm not willing to count this as a deficiency that can be used to justify not testing VE. i am about to open a new section in Wikipedia:VPR. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Automatically archiving reference links when pages are promoted to features article

Over at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Persistent proposals is a proposal that when articles are promoted to featured status, all the links in their reference be automatically archived. It is universally supported at that discussion, so I'm bringing it to technical now to discuss how to make it happen. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 15:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

You may try a bot request at WP:BOTREQ. Cenarium (talk) 03:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Withdrawing this here. Taking it to WT:FAC for now. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Search query

Is there a way to search one's contributions to find specific ordinals? For example to find my 10,000th and 20,000th edit. Thanks.—John Cline (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@John Cline: Excluding all deleted edits, your 10,000th live edit is Special:Diff/427671969, and the 20,000th is Special:Diff/474889717. FYI, I used the following database query to get this: select rev_id from revision_userindex where rev_user_text="John Cline" order by rev_timestamp asc limit 1 offset 9999; Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 12:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Zhaofeng Li. I am glad seeing this capability. How could a lay-coder perform such a search (if possible)?—John Cline (talk) 13:14, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@John Cline: I've hacked together a little tool at toollabs:fengtools/milestones/. Not pretty, but at least it works. Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 13:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, I really appreciate this.—John Cline (talk) 15:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hide "New articles" from "recent changes"

I had asked a question in Help Desk few days back. They suggest me to ask here. My question was- "How can i hide newly created articles from recent changes ? There are options in recent changes to hide 'bot edit', hide 'minor edits' etc. Similarly I want to hide new pages. Is there any method/script ?"--Shiti (talk) 10:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I am not aware of any existing script but you can write one using the fact that for new articles 'diff' is not linked. Ruslik_Zero 11:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, in that case, can you provide link for any existing script to 'hide bot edits' or something like that, that works on recent changes. It'll be easier to modify, instead writting new one. thanks.--Shiti (talk) 17:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
How would one distinguish between "new articles" and others? There are some with only one edit which were created years ago. —EncMstr (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Well I don't have any clear idea. Can we filter "new" tags ? And can you provide links for those scripts you have said (those are created year ago) ?--Shiti (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

DabSolver and DabLinks unavailable

I used DabLinks a little over a week ago with great success. Now, I want to apply it to other articles. But its page says "We've moved!" without a forwarding address. Maybe the referring page can be updated? Or maybe the forwarding logic isn't in place? In either case, the index at the toolserver needs an entry for them. Anyone know how to go about these? —EncMstr (talk) 20:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

See discussion at #What redirects links here which links to de:Benutzer Diskussion:Silke WMDE#Toolserver redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Or, to save you the trouble, the tool is now located at http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:21, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Flow chart

Do we have a template or something to create flow charts? And yes I know about {{chart}} but it doesn't have the features I need. Otherwise I would need to create an image. -- Gadget850 talk 22:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about education program issues

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Education noticeboard#Another proposal about various technical fixes that might be helpful in dealing with some problems. Editors who are interested in technical things might want to take a look there, and see if there is anything where you could contribute. Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Not possible with edit filter without a usergroup, but even then it would be suboptimal. If the tagging can't be done directly by the extension, it would be yet another case where bot tagging would be clearly worthwhile, but the phabricator request is stuck. Cenarium (talk) 06:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Duplication Detector kaput

The labs tool Duplication Detector no longer works. I assume that's because the creator seems to be banned from Wikimedia. I know about Earwig's tool. But Duplication Detector was always more workable for the DYK purposes. Is anybody going to come up with a replacement? — Maile (talk) 00:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't know the details. That question is better asked over at DYK. But I know the Earwig tool missed too much, and Duplication Detector was better for the DYK purposes.— Maile (talk) 01:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
If you haven't used it since July/August of this year, then I invite you to try it out again, because I've made some substantial improvements since then. If you have, then my apologies for it not being as good. I don't have much time right now for major improvements, but if you are able to suggest some concrete things, I can work on them in the future. — Earwig talk 02:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

With regards DupDet, the problem with the tool is unrelated to the ban. The creator's other tools are still functioning. Regardless of the respective merits, we need to find somebody else to manage it. Hopefully, we'll be able to get it back online in general in a few hours, but it needs a maintainer. Um, User:The Earwig? </cheesy grin> --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Would really rather not take on a new job like that, but I guess I can do it if no one else is able... — Earwigtalk 21:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
@The Earwig: perhaps I could help, with your oversight? I've been taking an interest in copyright on WP, and have some geek cred. Cheers, Basie (talk) 19:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm still unclear about what DupDet offered that Copyvios doesn't. Is it just a cosmetic difference in tastes or is it the actual search algorithms that are different? Why can't they just be merged? — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 22:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't know if they can be merged. They each have strengths, but they are different. I really like the way EarwigBot highlights the text side by side, an elegant design that makes it much easier to find content. DupDet (which at the moment has been revived by User:Jalexander-WMF) offers more options. It allows you to compare Wikipedia articles against documents (including PDFs) as well as active URLs, allows you to eliminate quotations from your search, and allows you to specify word count/character size. If they can be merged into one tool that can do it all, that would be awesome. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
    • The Earwig tool is superior, and I use it almost exclusively. But it can't at present compare a wikipedia page with a PDF source, while the Duplication Detector can. -- Diannaa (talk) 16:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
      • @Diannaa: Hmm... I added PDF support a few months back, could you check that again (or give me an example where it doesn't work)? The software it uses to read PDFs isn't perfect, so I could see it having problems with certain sources. If we have examples of PDFs that it can't understand but DupeDet can, I can try to fix that. (On rereading your comment, I'm unclear if you mean PDFs on the web or PDFs that you upload? If it's the latter, that's a feature I hadn't considered, but I can look into it if people want it.)Earwigtalk 20:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Note: I updated Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs/Toolserver_replacements to reflect the current situation. Please update again (this tool or others), when necessary. GermanJoe (talk) 09:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Logged out

How come I was logged out a minute ago in the middle of watchlist checking? Glitch at WP end, or mine? Jim.henderson (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe just your login expiring? KonveyorBelt 02:28, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Unless you see it happenning a lot, just log back in and ignore it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Central Login failure in Firefox

Until Wednesday 10 Dec, if I logged in on e.g. English Wikipedia using my normal browser (Firefox), the Central Login system - which I think is part of WP:SUL - meant that I was automatically logged in on commons, meta, Wikidata, etc. although sometimes on first visit to a wiki it would show "Create account Log in" top right, and alongside that a bubble "Central login You are centrally logged in as Redrose64. Reload the page to apply your user settings."; pressing Ctrl+F5 would reload the page and I would be shown as logged in.

After I logged out on Wednesday, my next login was yesterday morning (13 Dec) - and it only logged me in on en.wp: if I go to commons, or any other Wikimedia site, I'm shown as logged out ("Create account Log in"). This would be OK, except that the "You are centrally logged in" bubble does not appear, not even if I try a hard refresh of the page. This is particularly annoying on Commons, because without being logged in there, it opens images in Media Viewer. I've logged out, cleared cookies, tried again, started off on different sites (there was a period some months ago when Central Login only worked properly if I logged in on Meta first, even though my "home" wiki is en.wp), but whatever I try, no luck. The only way to be logged in on all sites is to log in to each site separately, which defeats the purpose of Central Login and indeed of SUL.

I suspect a browser problem. If I switch browsers from Firefox to Opera, it works as it should (I get the "You are centrally logged in" bubble when visiting another wiki for the first time after logging in). Firefox was recently upgraded from 33.something to 34.0.5, so I suspect that something has changed in Firefox - is there some configuration relating to cookies which might affect it? --Redrose64 (talk) 10:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

After trying several more times after posting the above, Commons and Meta are now recognising my en.wp login after some six hours. Since I didn't upgrade Firefox, restart it, or even alter any Firefox settings during that time, it can't be a browser problem. Most odd. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:29, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Regression in backlink symbol

Look inside the four red ellipses

Occasionally I come across a page where in the references list, the backlinks are malformed. When this happens, there are two effects: for all refs, an arrow is shown instead of a caret; and for those refs used two or more times, numbers (2.0 2.1 etc.) appear instead of letters (a b etc.). If I WP:PURGE the page it fixes itself. It's not a caching issue at my end, and is replicable in various circumstances - on different browsers, whether logged in or out, using Vector or MonoBook, and when viewing the article proper (e.g. Epping tube station#References) or a diff (e.g. last revision); it's as if there was a software regression. This has happened more frequently in the last few weeks. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I see it to (but then I purged). My guess is the Cite extention somehow fails to replace the default messages with the locally defined one (MediaWiki:Cite references link one and MediaWiki:Cite references link many). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 23:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Edokter is correct. What you are seeing is the default styling. We've had a very similar issue where cite error messages would show in a non-English language because of the last editor's language preferences, until the page was purged. I don't recall seeing this on the Cite bug list. -- Gadget850 talk 23:20, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Ping notifications working?

I and another editor have tried repeatedly to ping some users with Template:ping (Template:Reply to), at Talk:Houston_Riot_(1917)#Requested_move_14_December_2014, but we don't see any notifications. I tried a test at my talk page, without the template, too: User_talk:Dicklyon#Ping_test; still neither of us saw a notification. Each time, I used a four-tilde signature. Is there some magic I'm missing, or are notifications broken? Dicklyon (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

You have to ping them and sign in the same edit or it doesn't work. See User:Floquenbeam/Pinging. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I did that every time. It's hard to see from the history, since the four-tilde signatures are expanded, but each one is new, not a copy of an old signature. Dicklyon (talk) 02:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • There are many factors that can cause this. See Template_talk:Reply_to#Ping or do a search on Phabricator for echo tickets. Signatures must include a non-colon prefixed link to the pinger's userpage and can not overwrite a previous ping (best to delete the signature (leave the old timestamp) and add a new four tilde signature at the end). Happy pinging! — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 02:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I can't see how that would be the issue. My signature is pretty vanilla. Dicklyon (talk) 02:29, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I've found it best (if slightly annoying) to undo the edit, then re-add the corrected ping and the corrected signature together, rather than overtype it. Also, Dicklyon what did you mean by "we didn't see any notifications"? You wouldn't have seen any notifications when you ping other people, it isn't a talk page thing it's a notification button thing. You can only ever see it when someone pings you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I mean notifying myself didn't work, and RGloucester and my attempts to notify each other didn't work. Dicklyon (talk) 02:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
You can't notify yourself. And, as I said, your ping test on your user page didn't include a new ping and a new signature at the same time. I don't see where RGloucester tried to ping you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • From where I am standing, it seems working because I did receive your ping. I am referring to the edit in which you called me "Asshole" and the associated talk page edit. It is possible that the editor is ignoring you. Also editors can disable notifications, in whole or for certain person. Codename Lisa (talk) 02:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I called you "asshole" in an edit summary. What's not working is a ping caused by mentioning a user name. Actually, my edit summary of "asshole" was more a reaction to your edit summary than to you, per WP:NPA, since I know nothing about you and expect you're actually a nice guy in real life. Dicklyon (talk) 02:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, based on that, I looked at your actual edits. Talk:Houston_Riot_(1917)#Requested_move_14_December_2014 failed to ping anyone because you exceeded the hard coded limit of 20 pings per post. You can see in this edit specifically, you did not add a new signature to the end, you attempted to overwrite an existing signature, which will not work. this test failed because there was no signature at all, and attempt to fix it failed because you only added a signature. You have to link to the user page of the person you want to ping and have an entirely new signature with a clean link to your userpage for it to work. Hope this clears it up. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 02:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, those make a bit of sense. What about this one? Would I need to do intervening edits to remove the ping and signature, so that adding the new one is "clean"? I can try that. Why the 20 limit? Dicklyon (talk) 03:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
An intervening edit like that should do it. A whole new post after the original should also work. If there are more than 20 pings then there is probably a significant risk that it's either disruptive or an accident like copying a lot of signed posts with user page links and adding your own signed post in the same edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
See mw:Help:Echo#Technical details and if you still think a notification is missing then post a diff to the edit. Don't just say which page it was on. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I have added the total limit of 20 to the documentation for {{reply to}}.[73] PrimeHunter (talk) 03:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Using a tilde signature in a template

When I join or initiate a discussion on a Talk page, I usually end my first entry in the thread with something like

If you would like to discuss this with me, please {{ping}} me. --~~~~ 

where of course the "~~~~" turns into my timestamped signature. This way, I can be available for discussion without cluttering my watchlist.

Since I do this fairly often, I'm trying to make a template in my userspace that would expand to that ↑↑. But I haven't been able to make the final result include the expanded date/time. Either I still get plain old "~~~~" in the result, or I get the timestamp in the template itself, which will never be correct when the template is invoked. Advice, please? And, of course, please {{ping}} me. --Thnidu (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Thnidu: You can use ~~<includeonly></includeonly>~~. Cenarium (talk) 03:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
@Cenarium and Technical 13: Thanks, that works with subst:.
--Thnidu (talk) 04:04, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Blacklisted links ... or not?

Dear editors: Can someone who understands the blacklisted links process please take a look at the history of this page ITM LAW School? Thanks. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

The history links at Special:Contributions/Cyberbot II shows the bot is edit warring with itself on lots of pages (maybe a case for Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#(Ro)bot wars). It has been reported to the operator at User talk:cyberpower678#Cyberbot II is churning, churning. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Slow access

I am experiencing unusually slow access to Wikipedia these days and was wondering whether this is a site-wide issue and whether I can speed it up by tweaking options. I use Firefox with MonoBook skin and very few gadgets, if any; I've switched off Java support in web browser, which brought little improvement. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 04:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I've also been experiencing this slow access today. The page seems to load very slow, and the top(with the messages and Watchlist) seems to lag for minutes. I use Google Chrome Version 39.0.2171.95 m. I can ping en.wikipedia.org with normal results. Irritating. Dave Dial (talk) 01:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@Materialscientist and DD2K: Problems like this often depend on location. Whereabouts in the world are you? (I'm in Hokkaido, Japan, and the site is working normally for me.) — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪ 01:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm in South Detroit(born and raised, lol). It's loading faster now, but it still lags a bit(the loading wheel spins for a minute or so). Something has been up, since I can load ESPN, Google and Facebook normally. Dave Dial (talk) 01:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

It recovered with me automagically, without me doing much, so I assume this was some issue at wikiservers. Materialscientist (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-51

16:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Formatting, signatures not working on a talk page

See the last section of [84]. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 22:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: That is due to an unclosed <nowiki> added with this edit. SiBr4 (talk) 22:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I cleaned it up. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Socks (cat)

If the article Socks (cat) is in the category "Category:Individual cats", then why does it not show up anywhere when you check the category page? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 23:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Mediawiki hiccup. It's fixed. DS (talk) 23:57, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Occasionally such glitches happen - see, for example, Wikipedia talk:Special:UncategorizedPages#Additive identity. There is always the olption of null-editing the page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Campaignbox

I'm having trouble getting Template:Campaignbox Syrian Civil War to look like Template:Campaignbox Afghan War. The border= parameter doesn't work somehow. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Having the same problem in Template:Campaignbox Iraqi insurgency (2011–present) and Template:Campaignbox French Revolutionary Wars. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Each of the used templates must implement the border parameter:
 border    = {{{border }}}<!-- allows this template to be nested --> 
PrimeHunter (talk) 13:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, can you show me how it is done in the Syrian box, for example? I will do the same with the other ones. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 13:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
The first used template: [85]. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:16, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Fitzcarmalan (talk) 13:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Phabricator Profile Pic Placeholder

Does anyone else realize that this placeholder is a silhouette of the Pokemon Psyduck? Who's idea was that? While I am a huge fan of Pokemon, isn't this a copyvio?—cyberpower OfflineMerry Christmas 17:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

You mean https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rsrc/image/avatar.png is´Psyduck? That looks right. A phabricator search for Psyduck shows mention in phabricator:T65 and phabricator:T256, but no discussion of copyright issues. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm pretty sure it doesn't meet the threshold for originality and is PD as such. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 18:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Why wouldn't it meet the threshold for originality? If we can tell that it's Psyduck, which on its own certainly meets the threshold, doesn't that imply that there's enough unique material in the silhouette to qualify for copyright? {{Nihiltres talk edits}} 19:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • We have the 'serious' mode enabled in Phabricator, but by default, phab has a lot of non-seriousness and cultural references in much of it's UI texts. I presume this is just one more, but now in outside of the magic that is switched by modes. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 19:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Infobox DOB problem

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong place but there are that many forums on here now that I don't know which is which any more.

Anyway, I've recently added full dates of birth to infoboxes in a bunch of articles (specifically Jackie Thompson, Donald Hodgen, Mo Courtney, Winkie Dodds and James Millar (loyalist)) and whilst I have included both day and month only the month is showing up. Have I screwed up somewhere (probable as the technical aspects of editing often go wrong in my hands), is it a glitch, is it my browser (Firefox) or is something else going on? Any help appreciated. Keresaspa (talk) 19:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Keresaspa: - it appears that you are using the birth year and age template, rather than the birth date and age template. Connormah (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't notice that. I knew it would be me screwing up a technical thingy :D Thanks muchly, Connormah. Keresaspa (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
@Keresaspa: For those people where mdy dates are inappropriate, you should also use the df=yes parameter to set the display of day-first dates. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Search function much faster

On the Help Desk and in The Teahouse, people have been told for years it could take several days for the Wikipedia search function to find a certain article.

Yesterday, while looking for further information on a topic for which I had just edited a related article, I was amazed to find the edits I had just made minutes earlier, on the screen of the Wikipedia search function!— Vchimpanzee talkcontributions • 21:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

November 19 mw:Help:CirrusSearch became default on the English Wikipedia. Before that it had been an option called "New search" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures for a long time, but it's gone there now it's the default. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you.— Vchimpanzee talkcontributions • 22:48, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Can't log in

On Friday, attempting to log in from work (not too far away from where I live). resulted in a 503 error message all day. I remained logged in at home until some time today. Now I can't get logged back in ... but only to Wikipedia; all other Foundation projects I have accounts on (Commons, Wikivoyage, Wikiquote etc.) work just fine. I have tried multiple browsers and other Internet access points in the area; no luck. So I am posting via my IP address in the hope someone will be able to make sense of the error message from my recent attempt to log in:

Request: POST http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&action=submitlogin&type=login& returnto=Wikipedia:Village+pump+(technical), from 10.64.32.106 via cp1067 cp1067 ([10.64.0.104]:3128), Varnish XID 2153850834
Forwarded for: 173.85.86.72, 10.64.32.106, 10.64.32.106
Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:10:52 GMT

If this requires any personal follow up, email me from my userpage or (if that doesn't work) use my Commons talk page (I have email notification set up there). Daniel Case (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.85.86.72 (talk)

I have no trouble, so I don't know... If, as yyou say, you can log in to other Wikimedia projects, can you then come into Wikipedia using your SUL? עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 07:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
This sounds like phab:T75462 and the last comment asks for coordinating with someone whose account is affected so help is welcome in that ticket. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Reading through that ticket, it is exactly the problem I'm having. Points of perhaps useful information:
  • I do not have an SUL, just like some of the other people having the problem.
  • I am getting the usual error message if I mistype my password, just like the other people having the problem.
  • It is only occurring on enwiki, which, if I did have an SUL, would be my home wiki. Nowhere else.
  • To reiterate, it is not specific to Firefox, even though that's my primary browser. It has occurred without fail in IE, Chrome and (when I tried logging in from my iPad) Safari.
  • At this point I very much believe it is specific to my account, although no one else that I know of logs on at any of the other points I've tried from. I will try creating an alternate account (which I probably should have done a while ago anyway) and see if that works. Daniel Case (talk) 20:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.85.86.72 (talk)

OK, I was just able to log on. If someone implemented one of the older bug patches mentioned most recently in the ticket, it worked. Daniel Case (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Lost tools

I seem to have lost many of the tools that made editing here easier, including:

  • The special characters, four-tilde group etc from below the edit window
  • User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js
  • User:PleaseStand/segregate-refs.js
  • User:Ohconfucius/script/EngvarB.js
  • User:Scottywong/diffconverter.js
  • MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js
  • Something (can't remember what) that gave me page sizes (total, readable text etc.)

Has there been a change in the software, or could it be because I tried, without success, to install Cat-a-lot by following the instructions here? Can anyone advise on how to get those things back? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

If it is because of Cat-a-lot, all you would need to do is undo the addition and purge your cache. עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 10:40, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Od Mishehu, that has indeed resolved the problem, so it looks as if there is something adrift with the Cat-a-lot instructions or implementation. That is a very useful tool (I've used it on Commons), and it would be excellent if it could be made to work here too. Thanks for your advice, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah the instructions on that page don't work indeed and will require some updating. JS pages don't allow you to 'render' wikicode anymore... This is part of the stricter separation of the different types of content that the developers are trying to create. Slowly we are moving in a direction where something is either wikicode or javascript, but not both (including the complexities and peculiarities of both). —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
@Justlettersandnumbers: You attempted to install it by substing a template. Templates are Wiki markup, and Javascript pages expect Javascript, not Wiki markup; so I don't think that subst: would work either. The proper way is like this, as described at User:קיפודנחש#Cat-A-Lot. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Redrose64, that has worked and I now have the tools I used before and Cat-a-lot too. I'm most grateful. I did of course see that the subst-ing had failed, but had no idea how to fix it. I attempted to install it in that way because that is what the installation instructions told me to do. It seems that with a few exceptions all other installation instructions on that page also involve subst-ing an {{iusc}} template. Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • @TheDJ, Redrose64, and Technical 13: Actually, none of those answers are right. You can still subst templates on JavaScript pages currently. The only reason it didn't work in Special:Diff/637096033 was the unclosed <pre> tag before it. Also, there's no problem at all with importScriptURI or importStylesheetURI yet. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
User:Jackmcbarn is right, of course, and the problem was the "pre" tag. however, due to the pings, i looked at this again, and found that my little three-liner that basically sets a single global variable and then loads one script and one stylesheet from commons was broken: apparently, the comons script developed a new dependency ("jquery.ui.resizable"). so something good came out of it - i made it a four-liner, and now it works again... peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Diffusing template error categories

I've started a discussion about possibly diffusing the template error subcategories of Category:Wikipedia template parameter issues if anyone is interested. The discussion is here. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Narrow screen tabs

I have two Internet Explorer 10 browser windows running at part-width, so this one doesn't have room for all the tabs on a normal unprotected article like Matthew 2:23. I get "Article," "Talk," a space, "Read," "Edit," and "More" with a dropdown. If I click "More," I just get "View history." No tabs saved. No real difference. Could you change this, so "More" appears only if two or more tabs are hidden? 65.210.65.16 (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

This only happens when there isn't enough space horizontally to fit in the "View history" tab. The skin is smart enough not to do this when there is enough space, and not to do this if the width of the "More" tab is greater than the width of "View history" (which happens in some languages, but not English). On my computer, the difference is 14 pixels, it varies depending on your browser, OS and available fonts. Matma Rex talk 20:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

"Under construction" tag?

Hi, I don't know if this is the right place, but could someone tell me if there is a "under construction" tag for articles or something similar? I'm not talking about the "expand article" or "expand section" tags. I wanted something for articles that are currently being worked on. Thank you very much, --Lecen (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

{{Under construction}}? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I looked everywhere in the list of templates but I couldn't find it. Thank you very much, PrimeHunter. You helped me a lot now. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 11:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
@Lecen: - There is also {{In use}}, which asks that other editors refrain from editing the page. GoingBatty (talk) 02:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle problem for at least one admin

I've just done it again - deleting an article with Twinkle instead of tagging it. I don't use Twinkle for deleting, only for tagging - and keep forgetting to tick the 'tag only' box. Is there any way I could (without great complication) set a default of 'ticked' for this box? I find restoring something to tag it a bit embarrassing... Peridon (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Enable "Default to speedy tagging instead of outright deletion" at Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:00, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - I didn't know you could do all that stuff.... Peridon (talk) 11:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Excellent - I'd just done the same thing, have now checked that box. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 22:11, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

CiteGen

CiteGen working on Google Chrome

Hello, folks! I've just made User:Zhaofeng Li/CiteGen which is a replacement of Cite4Wiki. It's an extension for both Firefox and Chrome which generates a {{cite web}} citation from the current page. It's different from Cite4Wiki because it uses Reflinks as the backend, whereas Cite4Wiki parses metadata in the browser. As a result, it supports more metadata fields and its functionality can be extended without the user updating the extension. The source code is available here (Patches are welcome!)

To install this on Firefox, simply click this link. For Chrome/Chromium, right click this link and select "Save link as..." to download it. Next, open Settings in Chrome and select the Extensions menu, then drag the .crx file from your file browser to Chrome.

Any thoughts on this? Thank you. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 01:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I have installed this add-on for Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0 and will be testing it shortly. Thanks for developing it! — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 00:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Zhaofeng Li, I've used it a bit today to try it out, and I have a couple things I might request. First, since I tab flip a lot (and sometimes forget to wait for it to load to copy the material), it would be great if it could cache the results locally so when I flip back it I don't have to wait for it to start over and try again. Also, it would be great if the pages it fails to work on could either offer some kind of report to help figure out why it didn't work on those pages (I've hit quite a few free pages not behind a paywall it fails on). It would be nice to have it have a checkbox that will wrap the citation in <ref>...</ref> tags (named refs are preferred of course, so they can easily be reused :D). It would also be appropriate to introduce a user option for whether it should be {{cite web or {{Cite web and it should allow the user to select the date format (MDY vs. DMY vs. YMD) if not set it should pull the browser default for the date format. Another thing that would be a great addition would be a button that an editor using the tool to work on a GA or FA could press to prevent linkrot by caching a version of the page on the way back machine or some other similar site and add the archive info to the citation template. I'm sure some of those ideas are much easier than others, and I'll throw more ideas at you as I have them. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 01:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13: Many thanks for your testing. Caching will certainly help, and more options will be available soon. As for pages it fails to work on, it will currently outputs an error message at the bottom ("HTTP Error: 403", etc). Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 07:58, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Expired security certificate

I'm using IE9 to view the site (not my choice -- mandated by the company) and as of this morning, I'm getting errors indicating that the site's security certificates are expired. Anyone else seeing this? I can navigate around it, but it's quite annoying. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 131#SSL 3.0 discontinued. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
@WikiDan61: You won't be able to browse at all if it's related to SSLv3. It's more likely that your company intercepts your HTTPS traffic with a rouge certificate which is expired. In this case, contact your IT department. Zhaofeng Li[talk... contribs...] 04:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
@Zhaofeng Li: I'm pretty sure you mean a rogue certificate, not a rouge certificate! A lot of native English users make this error, too. --Thnidu (talk) 04:53, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Combining duplicate references

Dear editors: At one time the "Expand citations" used to combine duplicate references. Also Reflinks used to do this. These don't seem to have this function now. Is there another gadget or process for this? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Anne Delong, are you using Zhaofeng Li's reflinks? Perhaps he could add that for you or explain how to make it happen. :) — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 13:38, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Technical 13. I was hoping for an existing process, but you are right that Zhaofeng Li is the most likely person to help with this, and I have left a message.—Anne Delong (talk) 18:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
This is actually pretty easy with visual editor. Delete the duplicate, select cite from the menu, and choose re-use. Visual editor will name the ref for you and make it all work swimmingly. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

For the Reflinks functionality, please continue the discussion at User talk:Zhaofeng Li#Combine duplicate references? Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 23:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Possible to form URL to download article source directly?

Given a specific article title, say Boekenweek, is it possible download its text source directly? I was thinking along the lines of by adding to the article's URL. Maybe there's better way. Jason Quinn (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Jason Quinn: use the basic URL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/plain&title= and append the page name, with spaces replaced by underscores - i.e. the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/plain&title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical) will return the source for this page. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

That works. Thank you. Jason Quinn (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

And if you're going to do that, in an automatic fashion, please amend your user agent appropriately. Ironholds (talk) 06:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

hover not working

Hi, I'm using a different computer, but still logged in and using Firefox. The hover functions (eg diffs, history and the drop down with (un)watch etc all seem to have gone. I can't see anything in Preferences that I've unticked, what's wrong? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Could it be that JavaScript is disabled on that different computer? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Don't know, how do I find out? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:21, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
@Jimfbleak: Do you have Hovercards turned on in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures? That has code to make only one or the other of Hovercards and Navpopups display at once - it's slightly buggy in a few browsers hence you might not have encountered the problem before. To fix: You can either click the "cog icon" in a Hovercard to access its preferences menu (screenshots) (which lets us select between the 2 options, or turn it off entirely), or opt-out of the BetaFeature. Either should work fine.
If not, then try either a hard-refresh (ctrl-F5 or WP:REFRESH), or check if your browser has JS turned on/off at http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html . --Quiddity (WMF)(talk) 19:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm going to be away for a day or so, but I'll try these when I get back Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

history in mobile beta?

Is there a way to access an article's history page in the betatest version of the mobile website? I've never been able to find one. Once I did get to an article's history page when I wasn't trying to, but I have no idea how it happened. Please {{ping}} me for discussion. --Thnidu (talk) 07:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Thnidu: If you click the text "last edited..." at the top of the page, it should take you to the edit history. It took me a couple of minutes of clicking different things to get that. I think it needs to be clearer that that is the history link, especially for copyright attribution purposes. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
@Sarahj2107: By golly, you're right! Thank you. --Thnidu (talk) 09:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hidden heading

On the article 2 + 2 = 5, there is a heading 'Self-evident truth'. However on my screen, and that of another user, the heading is not visible. That it exists, can be known because it is in the table of contents, and when you view the raw code (with the Edit button), you'll see that it is coded correctly. Apparently the heading is hidden behind the 'Quote box' which is (or should be) above it. When I added a series of hard line-breaks and pressed 'Show preview', the heading became visible, but this is an awkward solution, since it is difficult to guess the number of line-breaks needed (when you insert too many of them, you get whitespace after the quote box) and this may well depend on the user's screen format. Bever (talk) 08:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I have added a {{clear}} template just above the Self-evident truth header. This should solve the problem without the need to use line-breaks. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
It did, thank you. Bever (talk) 09:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Am I missing something?

I'm trying to use {{replace}} or alternatively {{str rep}} but it doesn't work. Is there something I need to do? NB this is for a standard page.
I have tried {{str rep 9°39'N, 123°52'E N 3=latNS= }} and it just gives 9°39'N, 123°52'E (unless it works here, that is 9°39'N, 123°52'E). --Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 20:55, wikitime= 12:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

For some reason, the templates do not strip whitespace between pipes and parameter values:
  • {{str rep Foo o a}} → Fao
  • {{str rep Foo o a}} → Foo
  • {{replace Foo o a}} → Faa
  • {{replace Foo o a}} → Foo
In the second and fourth cases, the template searches for the string " o " instead of "o", which it cannot find. I'm assuming it's a bug/feature of Lua to take whitespace at the start and end of parameters into account. SiBr4 (talk) 13:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
(3 ec later) See Help:Template#Parameters, looks like intentional behavior (or at least documented behavior). GermanJoe (talk) 13:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Never realized that. Is there a reason for the difference in behavior between named and unnamed parameters? SiBr4 (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The basic behavior is mentioned in the general meta help for templates as well. Maybe some old-timer in technical questions has more background knowledge - I'm just following the documentation :). GermanJoe (talk) 14:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
It isn't clear to me what it is that you are trying to accomplish with this:
{{str rep 9°39'N, 123°52'E N 3=latNS= }}
Find: N
in string: 9°39'N, 123°52'E
and replace it with: latNS=
Taking out the leading and trailing spaces thus:
{{str rep 9°39'N, 123°52'E N 3=latNS=}}
gives this result:
9°39'latNS=, 123°52'E
But, why?
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
This is still at the development stge, and was just a test. I want to take coordinates output from wikidata (which is as shown) and turn it into a param string for use inside an infobox. I always develop by prototyping, so no point in getting too far ahead only to have to rework. And I need to make sure I had the concept right, as some documentation is laconic. "Trappist" is such a coincidence! --Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 02:49, wikitime= 18:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

So far, so good, but now I have hit a problem (of course). The output of #property, putatively 9°39'N, 123°52'E isn't actually as straight forward as that. Presumably the arcminutes sign is an apostrophe, but that's not allowed directly. As far as I can tell, it's not &apos; either. In fact I don't know what it is - using {{string pos}} to show the chars, it displays

1.9
2.°
3.3
4.9
5.&
6.3
7.9
1.N
2.,
3.1
4.2
5.3
6.°
7.5
8.2
9.&
10.3
11.9
1.E

Note that sequencing restarted after (first) 7 and 11, but the character itself is not displayed/displayable.
Note too that these coords have no arcseconds. I guess the chars (first) 5-7 and 9-11 are showing the html entity code for apostrophe, &39; except that the ; isn't showing so it could be anything. I also can't find any template to break out a char into hex.

Any thoughts? --Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 12:31, wikitime= 04:31, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Actually... It should be &#39; (') so you are missing the # too. The MediaWiki parser does this, and there is a ticket someplace about it but I'm too tired to dig it up. I can assure you that it is in fact using &#39; based on your results for that particular instance. That doesn't mean that it will use if for every instance, and you need to be prepared for that. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 04:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Please post code and page link another time, or save the code and post a diff. The hardest part was figuring out what you were already doing. I guess you were on Cogon, Tagbilaran trying code like {{replace {{#property:P625}} ' m}} if you for example want to replace the apostrophe by m. It works if you do {{replace {{#property:P625}} &#39; m}}. If you write {{subst:#property:P625}} on the page and click "Show changes" then you can see the apostrophe becomes &#39;. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Well I was using Cogon as a testbed, but I never saved it there. I just used it because it's small. I save to local file.
    • I now have the parsing doing what I want. If you're interested the string latd= {{replace {{replace {{replace {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{str rep {{#invoke:Wikidata getRawValue P625 FETCH_WIKIDATA}} , {{pipe}}longd{{=}}}} ° {{pipe}} latm{{=}} }} ° {{pipe}} longm{{=}} }} ' {{pipe}} lats{{=}} }} ' {{pipe}} longs{{=}} }} N {{pipe}}latNX{{=}} N}} S {{pipe}}latNS{{=}} S}} E {{pipe}}longEY{{=}} E}} W {{pipe}}longEW{{=}} W}} " }} NX NS}} EY EW}} produces what I was after - here latd= 9 latm= 39 lats= latNS= N longd= 123 longm= 52 longs= longEW= E. Which is fine. It's in the format that {{infobox settlement}} wants. But it doesn't work directly, I guess because it gets treated as a single parameter with a lot of pipes in. So how can I get this code into the infobox? Should I just build a template which emits this stuff? My guess is that wouldn't work either, because it gets parsed too late.
    • (BTW my thinking is to produce a more robust template, one that could emit in other infobox formats, using model=)
    • (BTW2 - subst: didn't seem to work)
    • Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 15:50, wikitime= 07:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Use {{subst:!}} instead of {{Pipe}} and {{subst:=}} instead of {{=}}. You should actually be substituting all the parser funtions and template calls if you want it to work right in the end. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 08:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
The symbol for arcminutes isn't an apostrophe, but a prime, U+2032 &#x2032; or ′ - it's closer to the vertical than a curly (typographic) apostrophe, U+2019 &#x2019; or ’. Similarly that for arcseconds is a double prime, U+2033 &#x2033; or ″ - it's closer to the vertical than a curly (typographic) quote, U+201D &#x201D; or ”. The prime and double prime are the symbols emitted by the {{coord}} template. Note that some fonts may show all of these symbols at the same angle - even vertical. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:07, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Block during page edit

When we need to record something in a block log, it's common to perform a 1-second block; for example, I unblocked a user recently without clear explanation, so I reblocked him for 1 second with a fuller explanation. What happens if the block occurs while you're editing a page? You click "edit", and while you're writing away, someone blocks you for 1 second, and of course this is long past when you hit "save". Will the software accept it, since you're not blocked at the moment you hit "save", or will it have some odd editconflict-type screen? Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I just tested it on testwiki and there was no edit conflict or any indication on the user's end that there was a one second block[86]. My question is, how are you blocking for one second when that is not a listed option on MediaWiki:Ipboptions. Yes, I'm aware it can be typed in to "other duration", but that seems odd because if that is a used parameter, I would expect it to have been added to make things easier and ensure duration. I'm also wondering why there is redundancy in the options on that page; indefinite:indefinite is double listed. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 15:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I only see it in the list once - at the top of the drop-down box, but there appears to have been an agreement back in 2006 (MediaWiki talk:Ipboptions#Indef) to have it at both the top and the bottom. Perhaps the software has been changed since then to remove redundant entries? – PhilosopherLet us reason together. 20:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
As you say, just typing it into the "other". I'm glad that 1 second isn't an option: there's no reason to place such a short block if you're not adding a log entry, and if it were an option, someone might pick it by accident when intending to place a much longer block for someone who really is misbehaving. Thank you for the technical confirmation! Nyttend (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Interestingly (well, to me), you can block someone for zero seconds: [87]. --Floquensock (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Weird. I just blocked ThisIsaTest for 0 years after getting an "invalid expiry" warning when I tried to place 0-decade and 0-century blocks. However, the block log says "0 seconds", not "0 years". Nyttend (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Try blocking someone for "a potato". (Note: please don't actually do this.) Matma Rextalk 23:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Why not? Will something go wrong? It looks like it just won't have the desired effect, and ThisIsaTest won't care: the sole purpose of the account is for blocking tests and blocking practice. Nyttend (talk) 01:19, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
You can put in all kinds of nonsense in that field, and get unusual results. — xaosfluxTalk 01:59, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
See also Gnu standard format. — xaosfluxTalk 02:07, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I see that "a potato" is apparently -3600 seconds. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:05, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

More script errors: "The time allocated for running scripts has expired"

I see in the archives some technical discussion regarding this error (see this for a somewhat recent example. I don't know the particulars of why this happens, or how to resolve it, but it is currently happening at the Chris Sarandon article (twice at the top of the page, and eight times in references and external links). Assistance please? --Hammersoft (talk) 16:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

  • OK, seems to have cleared up now...no idea how or why. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Worry about it if it persists after a null edit. I introduced a lot of script errors the last time I updated the modules that render Citation Style 1 templates. In that particular case, there were four pages sequentially updated one after the other. For a brief period of time the various combinations of new and old code were incompatible and so caused errors in several hundred articles. So, wait a bit and then try a null edit.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

List of Wikipedians by article count

Could a tech-savvy person please offer some advice at Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by article count#Before reviving? That list is moribund, and was never implemented with the opt-out feature of lists such as Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. A number of people would like to see the list being regularly updated, and another number of people want to be sure that opting out is taken care of. I'd be happy to help with this, but am clueless about how to run or build such a thing. Can someone advise? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Usercheck template out of date?

I was just looking at the {{Usercheck}} template used for these elections, and I noticed that it seems to be out of date. At some point, ArbCom deprecated the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/ scheme in favor of a new Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/ scheme. This skews the results returned by the template into thinking that editors who joined wikipedia after the date of that change have no experience at all and have never been involved in any kind of arbitration. This misinformation of the people could, as a result of this information, skewed the results of this election. I'm not calling foul, and I actually did better than I expected. I just wonder what the results might have been if the information was correct. In an effort to prevent this very likely issue for future elections, I would like to propose a modification to the template. I would like to propose that the link be changed:

arb / arb
Using this code
{{#ifexist: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1}}}}}}}} [[Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1}}}}}}}} arb]] [[{{SITENAME}}:Requests for arbitration#{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1}}}}}}}} <span title="There is no {{SITENAME}}:Requests for arbitration/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1}}}}}}}}" style="color:gray;">arb</span>]]}} 
  • To:
1
arb / arb
Using this code
{{#ifexist: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} [[Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} arb]] <span class="plainlinks" title="There are no specific cases naming {{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}}; Click to search for experience">[{{fullurl:Special:Search profile=default&fulltext=Search&search={{urlencode:"{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}}" WIKI}}+prefix:Wikipedia/Arbitration/Requests}} <span style="color: #808080;">arb</span>]</span>}} 
2
arb / arb
Using this code
{{#ifexist: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} [[Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} arb]] [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} <span style="color: #808080;">arb</span>]]}} 
3
arb (search) / arb (search)
Using this code
{{#ifexist: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} [[Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} arb]] [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}} <span style="color: #808080;">arb</span>]]}} <span class="plainlinks" title="There are no specific cases naming {{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}}; Search all cases.">([{{fullurl:Special:Search profile=default&fulltext=Search&search={{urlencode:"{{ucfirst:{{{User {{{1 {{REVISIONUSER:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents‎‎}}}}}}}}}}" WIKI}}+prefix:Wikipedia/Arbitration/Requests}} search])</span> 

For these examples, I'm throwing in the username of the last person to edit WP:AN/I (Lowercase sigmabot III) in order to get a wide variety of results. Thank you for your time and consideration on this. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 16:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Partial Oppose- I oppose changing the link into a search link if no pages are found as it makes the template less useful in other places as a quick spot check. Note in particular mobile editors often can't see the pop-up notes on links easy, and so making the link blue always hides information. Usercheck is used in other places besides arb elections and in most cases experience in dealing with arbitration cases is not what is being searched. PaleAqua (talk) 18:43, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
    • PaleAqua, I've modified the proposed replacement to address your concerns. :) — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks, Click to search for experience still seems mostly targeted towards elections and also seems to be a bit NPOV. And a little bike sheding but how about split the search link out. i.e. something like "arb (search)" where arb is only linked if a page is found and search is always available. PaleAqua (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
        • I'd be happy to make other modifications once I get back to a computer. What would you think about using my exact example replacement in a new {{ACEcandidate}} wrapper template? Where else is this used exactly? I'd love to make it suit those needs better as well. — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 19:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
        • I've added a few more options. I hope there is one everyone likes. :) — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 22:14, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
          • 3 of course is my choice, going to drop out of the discussion for now though so you can hopefully get other input as I have no desire to go to further down the bike trail I started us towards. PaleAqua (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
            • I missed you wanted search always available. I've fixed it in example 3. :) — {{U Technical 13}} (etc) 02:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Links to log entries in Atom feed

For usergroup changes, the watchlist feed links to "diff=0" of the user's userpage (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:GoingBatty&diff=0) instead of Special:Log. Is it a known bug? Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 03:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

how to collapse giant template

Template:Languages of the United States has no documentation page. It's quite lage and I am trying to figure out how to display it collapsed. I tried a few random guesses like collapsed=yes and state=collapsed and neither worked. Hoping there is some simple answer I'm just not aware of? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:07, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

In the template, the state parameter was defined in a way that could not be overridden. It should now be fixed. Use state=collapsed for Navboxes.Mamyles (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Beeblebrox (talk) 21:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)