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(폐쇄) 단체전 최다 계약 (비밀 축구 계약 제외?)

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

기사: 브라이스 하퍼(토크 · 히스토리 · 태그)
흐림: 브라이스 하퍼는 야구 필라델피아 필리스와의 3억 3천만 달러 계약에 서명한다.(우편)
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궁수자리 은하수 (대화) 15:37, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 나만큼 야구 팬이라면, ⑴ 스포츠 계약서를 전혀 게시해서는 안 될 것 같고, ⑵ 현학적이 되려면 아직 서명하지 않았다.그것은 종이에 펜을 넣지 않은 협정이다.무보슈구 (대화) 15:57, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 - 부자 운동선수들이 부자 팀에서 더 많은 돈을 받는 것은 뉴스가 아니다. (월트킵, 로그아웃) --128.227.165.102 (토크) 15:58, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트 작은 컨텍스트 --LaserLegs (대화) 16:00, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    레이저레그, 두 가지 잘못은 옳지 않아나도 반대했어.봐, 반-유로 편향은 없어.무보슈구 (대화) 16:02, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 신체에서 누락된 참조를 언급하십시오. 그리고 성과 섹션은 기본적으로 아무것도 없다.메인 페이지로 가기 전에 고쳐야 한다.네이마르가 더 많은 돈이기 때문에 너희들이 기사를 수정하면 4시간 이내에 게시해야 한다. --레이저레그스 (대화) 16:11, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    왜 모든 실수는 영원히 반복되어야 한다고 주장하는가?왜, 누군가가 나쁜 짓을 하기 때문에, 다음에 그 일이 일어나면 다시 나쁜 짓을 하도록 강요해야 한다고 주장해야 하는가?사람들은 그들 자신을 향상시키고 향상시킬 수 없을까?사람들은 실수를 저지르고 잘못된 일을 하는 것을 멈출 기회를 가질 수 없을까?과거의 실수를 영원히 만드는 것을 정당화하기 위해 사용하는 것은 단지...이상... --Jayron32 16:19, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    나는 사실 이것을 게시하는 것을 지지하지 않았다.과거 비슷한 후보군에 대한 논의, 특히 그 논의가 논란이 됐을 때 지적하는 것이 가치 있다고 생각하지만 그렇지 않다면 그에 따라 조언해 달라. --LaserLegs (대화) 16:41, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    네이마르의 계약은 296유로였다.MM/5년 또는 연간 $67MM으로 Harper의 약 2배에 달한다.게다가 PSG는 계약권만으로 그의 예전 클럽에 222MM 유로를 지불했다.GreatCaesarGhost 18:45, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 그런 일은 일어나지 않는다.기사 상단에 파란색 태그가 표시된다.기사에 업데이트가 전혀 없다는 점에 주목하십시오.익명의 출처를 통한 확인되지 않은 보도를 바탕으로 하기 때문이다.필리스와 하퍼의 캠프는 그것이 사실이 아니라면 부인할 것이 분명하지만, 그것은 아직 완성되지 않았고 아마도 주말이나 월요일이 되어서야 이루어질 것이다.무보슈구 (대화) 16:17, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 계약 총액은 계약 금액이 다소 중요하다고 주장하는 임의적인 척도로 보이며, 1년 단위로 보면 많은 팀 선수들이 더 많은 돈을 번다.이것은 그것을 더 인상적으로 보이게 하기 위해 특별한 방법으로 쓰여진 것 같다.또한 기사 품질은 메인 페이지 기준에 미치지 못한다. --Jayron32 16:19, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대한다. 반대 이유는 필리스가 아직 계약을 확정하지 않았기 때문이다. 현재, 이것은 익명의 소식통에 근거한다.제이론32에 따른 두 번째 이유-평균 연가 기준으로 가장 큰 계약은 아니며 길이도 비정상적으로 길어서 가장 큰 계약이다; 몇몇 선수들(메시, 호날두, 네이마르)은 브라이스 하퍼가 매년 받는 것으로 보고되는 것의 두 배를 벌고, 하퍼는 평균 연가 기준으로 가장 높은 연봉의 야구 선수도 아니다.(북팔콘 (대화) 16:39, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 품질, 시기, 상대적 중요성 결여 반대. --Masem (t) 18:48, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 – 일반적인 중요성의 결여에 대해 반대한다.스카 (대화) 21:44, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

(포스팅됨) RD: 노마 파울루스

기사: 노르마 파울루스(토크 · 역사 · 태그)
최근 사망자 지명(우편)
뉴스 출처: 윌라멧 위크
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위키백과 기사와 함께 어떤 사람이나 동물 또는 유기체의 최근 죽음은 항상 게시할 수 있을 만큼 충분히 중요한 것으로 추정된다(이 RFC추가 토론 참조).논평은 기사의 질이 WP를 충족하는지 여부에 초점을 맞추어야 한다.ITNRD.

명명자의 의견: GA 퀄리티.이터널노마드(토크) 02:58, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 지원팀 출동 준비 완료cn 태그가 하나 있지만 검증되지 않은 문장이 그냥 제거될 수도 있다.Hrodvarsson (대화) 04:30, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지원 cn 해결, 시작.The Rambling Man (talk) 05:17, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지하다.준비가 된 것 같다.Ammarpad (대화) 05:19, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • plus 게시 — 마틴 (MSGJ · 토크) 08:40, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

(풀링):안드레 프레빈

기사:안드레 프레빈(토크 · 역사 · 태그)
흐림:독일계 미국인 피아니스트, 지휘자, 작곡가 안드레 프레빈이 89세의 나이로 사망하다.(우편)
뉴스 출처:BBC, 뉴욕타임스, 워싱턴포스트, 버라이어티, 시드니 모닝헤럴드, 타임즈 오브 인디아
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기사 업데이트됨

Mjroot (대화) 18:36, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 지원 기사의 주요 이슈 없음, 음악계의 중요한 인물 Zingarse talk · 19:35, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 원칙적으로 지지하다.본문 소스가 잘 된 기사.불행히도 이 방대한 음반 목록에는 출처가 한 군데도 없다. 그 기사가 메인 페이지에 오르기 전에 그것을 숨겨야 할지도 모른다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 21:29, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 일단 그 기사가 완전히 완성되면 블럽을 지지할 것이다 - 확실히 그의 분야의 선두주자 중 한 명이다. (블럼을 반드시 올바른 순서로 배열하는 것이 아니라 최선의 효과를 위해 제안할 것이다...) O Still Small Small Voice of Clam, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 품질에 대한 지원 RD - @Martinevans123Voice of Clam I는 녹음 섹션에 대한 33개의 ref를 추가했다 - 지원 블러브 미결 개선 - (RD의 경우) - DannyS712 (대화) 22:32, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • plus RD에 게시 — Martin (MSGJ · Talk) 22:43, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 이봐, 내가 제대로 된 지원을 하고 있다고... 하지만 꼭 제대로 된 순서는 아니야.리치333 23(cont):20, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 서포트 블러브아마쿠루 (토크) 23:24, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • WP:COKORKED André Previn의 음반 목록--DBGXrayᗙ 04:57, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지원 흐릿한 형체 변형.The Rambling Man (talk) 13:05, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지 블러브 – 비록 그의 넓은 인지도에 대해 조금 확신이 없지만, 미국에서 프레빈은 수십 년 동안 유명했다.Sca (대화) 13:21, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    그는 영국(무엇보다 모어캠베와 와이즈 덕분에)과 유럽 대륙에서 이름을 날렸기 때문에 지지가 흐릿해졌다.리치333 13(cont):28, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지 블러브 영국 마티네반스123 (토크) 13:34, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • plus 게시 블럽 — 마틴 (MSGJ · 토크) 13:32, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • Comment LOL -- 빠르군.불과 2주 만에 숨진 독일인 2명. --LaserLegs (대화) 13:45, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
굉장히 재미있는 댓글.Sca (대화) 13:49, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[답글]
  • 포스트 포스트잇은 RD의 모호함에 대한 합의에 반대한다.납북(이유) 13:48, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    롤 - 우리는 "주요 변혁적 세계 리더"에서 "영국에서도 매우 잘 알려져 있다"로 앞섰다. 빠른 시일 내에 WP:LagerfeldEffectGreatCaesarsGhost 21:38, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]를 시작한다.
    나는 "주요 변화무쌍한 세계 지도자"가 합의된 기준으로 기록된 것을 기억하지 못한다.내 논평은 부분적으로는 스카에 대한 반응이었다.내 말은 사실이 아닐 수도 있지만, 네가 쉽게 구할 수 있을 것 같아.그냥 내 의견일 뿐이야.또한 프레빈은 그 끔찍한 폴로넥 스웨터를 입곤 했다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 21:45, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
그리고 70년대 중반에는 무엇을 입었는가?사진 한 장 올려줘.Sca (토크) 21:50, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[답글]
거대한 반달족, 트롤, 푸틴봇의 군대는 분명히 RD 블러블의 기준에서 "끔찍한 폴로넥 스웨터를 입기" 위해 음모를 꾸미고 있기 때문에 모든 사람들이 갑판에 필요한 사람들이다.Tlhslobus (대화) 06:02, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[답글]
농담이겠지?"주요 변혁적 세계 지도자"는 한 사람이 흐릿함을 받을 자격이 있는지의 명시적 기준이다.그럼 모두가 합의된 기준을 검토할 때까지 당겨볼까?GreatCaesarGhost 22:04, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 "그들의 분야에서 주요한 변혁적 세계 지도자들"이다. 그렇지 않은가?마르티네반스123 (대화) 22:10, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
아니, 그렇지 않아.그것은 " 드문 경우지만, 그들 분야에서 주요한 변혁적인 세계 지도자들"이다.나는 이것이 그런 경우가 아니라고 단언한다.당겨. 일주일 후, 만약 이 사람의 죽음에 대해 아직도 벽에서 벽으로 된 헤드라인이 남아 있다면, 여러분은 모두 나를 가리키며 내가 어떻게 잘못했는지를 비웃을지도 모른다.크립틱 22:39, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
그래서 우리는 먼저 MTWLITF 비트를 적용한다.그리고 나서 추가 백분율 기준을 적용해서 줄이면 되는 겁니까?"rare"가 무슨 뜻이야?단 5%의 리더만이 포스팅을 받는다고?나는 항상 "rare cases"가 "rare cases of all RDs"를 의미한다고 생각했었다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 22:54, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 포스트링당기기 - 사실 나는 이것이 당겨질 것이라고 예상하지 않는다(파행을 최소화한다) 하지만, 나는 분명한 것은 녹음 부분에 대한 출처가 부족했기 때문에 RD나 블럽이 시작되지 않았어야 했다는 것이다.비청색 연계 업무는 참조가 필요하다. --Masem (t) 16:30, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
    • Ref는 작품이나 수상에는 상당히 좋지 않다. 많은 RD가 훨씬 적은 비용으로 격추되었다. --LaserLegs (토크) 16:44, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
어떤 녹음이 거짓이라고 믿으며, 어떤 소스를 검색해 보았는가?이거 먼저 확인하셨죠?그래, 나도 블럽을 지지하는 사람들이 소싱을 해결하는데 부담이 된다는 건 알지만, 이제 우리가 소매를 걷어붙이고 도움을 주는 게 나을 것 같아.절반이면 끝날 겁니다.리치333(talk)(cont) 17:14, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 정보에 이의를 제기하는 것이 아니라 품질에 관한 것이다.비파란 연계가 있는 소식통, 나는 그가 그 일에 관여했는지 여부를 알기 위해 쉽게 참고할 만한 것이 없다.마티네반스가 지적한 주요 기사에 대한 빈약한 언급에 대해 아무런 인정도 없이 게시되었다는 나의 우려를 표명하기 위한 것이 아니라 여기서 나의 투표는 철회를 요구하는 것이 아니다.그리고 한 두 건의 누락된 참조가 문제가 되는 것은 아니고, 내가 확인했을 때 20% 정도가 비협조적이었고, 그것은 너무 높은 수준이다. --Masem (t) 17:44, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이것이 실제로 당겨질 것이라고 전혀 예상하지 못했다는 것을 강조하고 싶다.나는 몇 시간 안에 올라왔던 흐림을 당기는 것은 이해할 수 있지만, 이것은 당김을 방해할 만큼 충분히 긴 메인 페이지에 있었다.나는 또한 이 경우, ref 이슈를 벗어나서, 이 경우 흐림을 지지했을 것이라는 점에 주목한다. --Masem (t) 16:43, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 곰곰이 생각해 보면, 그것은 내려올 필요가 있다.나는 이 주변에서 흔히 볼 수 있는 참조 누락과 품질에 대한 안목으로 볼 때 위의 지지대에 다소 놀랐다.최근 RD 명단은 참조되지 않은 작품 목록으로 인해 삭제된 것이지, 신속하지 않은 것으로 게시된 것은 아니다.어서. --LaserLegs (대화) 22:17, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당기기 - 이것이 실제 삶인가?여기선 강한 편견이 있는 것 같군기사에 미행자가 너무 많네!셰렌크1 (대화) 03:18, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당기기 - 기사가 CN을 너무 많이 가지고 있는 것이 공평한지 잘 모르겠다(예를 들어, CN 중 일부는 위키링크를 깨는 방식으로 추가되었고, 위키링크는 내가 지금 고치기 전까지 그대로 남아 있었다).그러나 기사 시작 부분에 있는 CN을 포함하여 80개 정도의 CN과 3개의 오렌지색 태그가 있다는 사실은 여전히 남아 있는데, 이것은 분명히 1면 기사의 흐릿한 기록의 일종이다.Tlhslobus (대화) 06:37, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당겼어, 흐릿하지도 않고, RD도 심하게 태그된 것만큼 가치도 없어.스티븐 07:06, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지는 원칙적으로 흐릿하다.분명히 그것은 ref 문제 때문에 갔어야 했지만, 만약 그것들이 고쳐졌다면 그것은 다시 흐릿하게 돌아가야 한다.그는 음악계에서 확실히 변혁적인 인물이었다.아마쿠루 (토크) 07:40, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 논평 – Previn을 끌어들이는 것은 영어 위키피디아를 매우 아마추어처럼 보이게 한다.음, 그는 여전히 프랑스, 독일, 네덜란드, 덴마크, 노르웨이의 위키에서 일하고 있어.Sca (대화) 13:50, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 대부분의 독자들은 결코 알지 못할 것이다.나는 그들이 영어 위키피디아가 안드레 프레빈을 조지 펠보다 덜 주목할 것이라고 추측할 것이라고 의심한다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 14:09, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 그들이 관련이 없어야 한다는 것을 알지만, 구글의 히트곡들은 또한 Pell이 더 유명하다는 것을 암시하는 것 같다.Tlhslobus (대화) 14:35, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당기는 것(아마도 소수의 독자들조차 눈치채지 못할 것이다)은 방대한 수의 태그로 1면에 링크된 기사를 남기는 것만큼 아마추어에 가까운 것으로 보이게 하지 않는데, 그것은 우리의 아마추어성을 적극적으로 광고하는 것일 것이다.아이러니하게도 당기지 않는 것에 대한 유일한 합리적인 주장은 우리가 거의 모두 아마추어 Tlhslobus (토크) 14:26, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답하라]라는 것이다.
제발, 거쉰은 안돼! (혹은 코프랜드도 마찬가지야.) – Sca (토크) 16:33, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[답글]
  • 안드레아스 루드비히 프리윈에서 안드레 조지 프레빈으로 이름을 바꾼 것에 대해 좋은 보상을 받고 있는 것 같군, 심지어 그가 블러브를 원했다면 안드레 조르주 프레빈으로 바꿨어야 했어.Tlhslobus (대화) 16:30, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[답글]
아니면 앤드류 조지 프리뷰까지.마르티네반스123 (토크) 16:40, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[답글]

82 cn 태그 때문에 뽑혔다.공개대신 (대화) 14:36, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC) 막힌 양말.징가레 토크 · 기여 05:17, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[답글]

  • 82개의 태그를 추가할 시간과 성향이 있는 사람에게 우리는 분명히 감사해야 할 빚이 있다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 15:10, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
"악마찾아서...."Sca(토크) 16:48, 2019년 3월 2일(UTC)[답글]

중요성에 대한 모호함에 반대하며, 여전히 수십 개의 CN 태그의 품질에 대한 RD를 반대한다.공신력 없음 - 영국과 몇몇 다른 서유럽 국가들 밖에서는 사실상 들어본 적이 없다.10년 이상 나라를 통치하고 핵무기를 준 인도 총리의 죽음에 대해 우리가 간신히 글을 올렸던 것을 고려하면, 나는 이 사람을 게시하는 것이 지나치게 편향된 것처럼 보일 것이라고 강하게 믿는다.그러나 한편으로, 우리는 일주일 전에 시카고 시장 선거에 관한 글을 거의 올렸는데, 내가 아는 것은 무엇인가?나는 곧 스위스 마을에 시장 선거가 있을 것이고 지역 영국 DJ들의 죽음에 대해서도 모호하게 말할 것이라고 생각한다.공개대신 (대화) 14:36, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC) 막힌 양말.징가레 토크 · 기여 05:17, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[답글]

말도 안 되는 소리, 스위스 마을은 영미권 세계 Tlhslobus (대화) 14:50, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)의 일부로 간주되지 않기 때문에 [응답]
"영국과 몇몇 다른 서유럽 국가들 밖에서는 거의 들어본 적이 없다."농담하는 거야?프레빈을 '지역 영국 DJ'에 비유하는 거야?와. 마티네반스123 (토크) 14:41, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
말도 안 되는 소리야, 공공연하게 대화하는 거야.이것은 20세기 예술계에서 가장 중요한 인물 중 한 명이야!그리고 그가 "영국과 몇몇 다른 서유럽 국가들 밖에서는 거의 들어본 적이 없다"고 한다면, 그가 어떻게 4개의 오스카상과 10개의 그래미상을 수상했는지 설명하라!!무엇이 너의 말을 그렇게 황당하게 만드는지 자세히 말할 필요는 없지만, 네가 프레빈에 대해 듣지 못했다고 해서 다른 사람들이 그렇게 하지 않은 것은 아니다.Zingaresetalk · 기여 15:21, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
문제는 우리 모두가 1812년 전쟁에서 영국이 어리석게도 백악관을 불태우고 집으로 돌아가는 어떤 이상한 평탄한 우주에 살고 있다는 것이다. 그래서 우리는 오스카상과 그래미상이 가장 영광스러운 대영제국 Tlhlslobus (토크) 15:46, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)의 상이라는 것을 무지하게 깨닫지 못한다.[답글]
그래서 우리는 죽은 미국-독일인에 대한 글을 올리기를 열망하고 있는 것이다.마르티네반스123 (토크) 15:50, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[답글]
아, 글쎄, 이 사용자가 탈취로 인해 무기한 차단되었으니 이제 와서 설명할 필요도 없겠지...Face-grin.svg 징가레 토크 · 기여 03:48, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트 나는 언급이 부족해서 "그 사람"이 우리의 성스러운 메인 페이지에 적합하지 않게 될 것이라고 보았다.하지만 독자들은 그것이 없어도 그에게 관심이 있었다 - 첫날은 그가 메인 페이지에 나오기 전인 2월 28일이었다. - 여기에 속해 있는 것이 아니라 펠이 상처를 입도록 하는 것이다.왜 그를 유명하게 만들었을까?웃지 마. --Gerda Aernt (대화) 14:42, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 전적으로 동의하다.나는 정말로 메인 페이지에서 프레빈을 끌어낸 것이 득보다 실이 더 컸다고 생각한다.징가레 토크 · 기여 15:21, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
하지만 더 좋게 말하면, 우리는 이제 게르다의 말처럼 우리의 성 메인 페이지의 우베르헤일리깃에 대해 우쭐함을 느낄 수 있다.Sca(토크) 16:56, 2019년 3월 2일(UTC)[답글]
  • 나는 그것을 더 이상 공손하게 말할 수 있는 방법은 없지만, 이것은 적어도 이 특별한 게시물 관리인이 총을 뛰어든 최근의 여섯 번째 사례다.GreatCaesarGhost 02:26, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 겉보기에는 (풀러보다는 포스터를 언급하고 있다고 가정할 때) - 블럽이 게시될 때(여기 참조) 1 CN과 오렌지 태그가 없었고, 앞서 RD에 게시되었을 때도 마찬가지였다(여기 참조).지난 15시간 동안 블럽에 대한 4개의 반대 없는 지원이 있었고, 해당 글에는 블럽이 게시되기 전에 블럽 준비 완료라고 표시되어 있었다.2분 후 마틴Evans123은 앞서 품질 개선이 필요하다고 말했지만 겉보기에는 현재 만족하고 있는 것 같다고 말한 바 있다.( 비록 많은, 대부분의 또는 모든 태그가 최소한 합법적인 편집자에 의해 만들어졌더라면, 논쟁의 여지가 없이 합법적이었을 것이지만/ 적어도 합법적 편집자에 의해 만들어졌더라면, 블럽을 게시한 후, 거의 또는 전부 단 한 명의 사용자만이 80개 이상의 태그가 추가되었다.정당하지 않다Tlhslobus (대화) 07:00, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 한 가지 문제는 (블럽이 게시되기 전) 그 디스크그래피가 새로운 위키링크 기사에 복사되었지만 모 기사에서는 삭제되지 않은 채 내용적으로 위조되었다는 위의 잘못된 주장일 수 있다. 그러나 새로운 태그 중 많은 것이 음반그래피 섹션 외부에 추가되었기 때문에 적절한 사기일 수 있다.텐트 포크는 아마도 완전한 해결책은 아닐 것이다.그러나 이러한 비분식 CN(그래미 가족용 CN) 중 11개는 논란의 여지 없이 부적절하다(나중에 고쳐져야 했던 기존의 위키링크를 깨는 방식으로 추가됨), 그래미 섹션의 1번 인용문에 이미 포함되었고, 그 이후 삭제되어 콘텐츠 포크가 이제 거의 틀림없이 상당히 가까이 올 수 있다.우리의 문제를 고치고(반론적인 반론은 우리의 상이 일반적으로 정확히 출처와 일치하지 않는다는 것이다. 문구와 연도 번호의 차이에서, 우리의 연도는 보통 프레빈 기사와 그래미 기사에서 모두 출처의 해보다 1년 앞서 있다(2010년 상은 2011년 초에 수여되기 때문이다), 그리고 우리는 서로 연결되어 있었다.g 한 번 이상 엉뚱한 상(그러나 그의 평생 업적이 53번째 그래미여서 더 나빠지지만, 현재 우리는 그 해의 모든 업적을 52번째 그래미 등으로 나열하고 있기 때문에, 이 한 자리 실수를 고치는 것 만으로도 상당히 큰 번거로움이 될 수 있다); 또한 출처인 www.grammy.com은 그가 그래미상을 10번 이겼다고 혼동스럽게 말하지만 13승을 기록했다고, whohile 목록 11).등등.Tlhslobus (대화) 07:00, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그것은 매우 공정한 분석인 것 같다.위에서 설명했듯이, 그 흐릿함에 대한 나의 지지가 시기상조였거나, 그럴 수 있었던 것보다 덜 명확했더라면 미안하다.그건 그렇고 우리는 이제 겨우 36개의 막다른 골목에 다다랐다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 10:30, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그런 페카딜로에 대해 사과할 필요는 없어, 마틴. 그렇지 않으면 이곳은 결국 가톨릭의 고백 밖에 줄 서 있는 것처럼 보일지도 모르고, 우리 중 누구도 제대로 된 편집을 할 시간이 없을 거야.Face-smile.svg Tlhslobus (대화) 15:15, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 포크를 완성하는 게 좋을 것 같아?지금은 세 명이 더 있지만 RD 지명은 아직 오래되지 않았다.마르티네반스123 (토크) 11:06, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 따라서 WP에 실패할 수 있는 콘텐츠에 대한 해결책은 다음과 같다.BLP는 그것을 다른 기사로 옮기는 것인가?나한테는 콥트아웃 같은 느낌. --LaserLegs (토크) 11시 9분, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그 포크는 내가 처음에 예상했던 것보다 훨씬 더 어려울 수도 있다는 것을 알게 된 후 그래미 부분을 고치려고 노력하는 것을 포기했기 때문에(위 부분적인 이유 때문에, 그리고 52번째 그래미 기사의 토크 페이지에서도) 디스크그래피에서 'Discography and Awards'로 바뀌어야 할지도 모른다.Tlhslobus (대화) 16:42, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 위로부터: "하지만, 게시 관리자는 항상 업데이트와 게시할 합의사항을 판단해야 한다."내가 관리직에 오르지는 않았지만, 내가 보기에 최신 정보를 판단한다.어쩌면 우리가 이 '비판적으로 중요한 죽은 독일 재즈 작곡가'를 단 15시간 만에 일면으로 몰아붙이지 않았다면 그 눈에 띄는 결함에 꼬리표가 붙었을 것이고 ITN은 당혹감을 면했다.아, 그렇구나. --LaserLegs (토크) 11시 9분, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
그러나 (이 사건에서 단지 프레빈이 죽었다고 약간만 말한 업데이트)와 게시하는 것에 대한 동의는 괜찮았다.(만약 그 당시에 실제로 하나가 있었다면, 사후판단의 도움을 받아도 논란의 여지가 있어 보이는) 문제는 기사 품질에 관한 것이었고, 누가, 누가, 누가, 그 판단을 책임져야 하는지 잘 모르겠다.그러나 그것이 게시 관리자의 책임이라는 것이 밝혀지더라도, 만약 게시 관리자가 이번 사건처럼 복잡하고 불명확한 사건(그리고 특이한 사건)으로 인해 우리에 의해 십자가에 못박히게 된다면, 우리는 분노할 정도로 불필요한 게시 지연으로 끝날지도 모른다.또한 여기서 15시간(유명시간부터 계산하면 사실 훨씬 더 많은 시간)은 적어도 나에게는 엄청나게 짧은 시간처럼 보이지 않는다.그리고 적어도 논쟁의 여지가 없을 정도로 짧고 사소한 ITN 당황에 대한 거의 모든 책임은 게시 관리자가 아닌 무모한 POV 밀기용 삭푸펫에 있다.Tlhslobus (대화) 15:42, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
안드레 프레빈에서 개선하길 원하셨나요?나는 그가 "죽은 독일 재즈 작곡가"인지, 비판적으로 중요한지는 잘 모르겠다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 11시 15분, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답하라]
레이저레그는 내용상 효과가 없다.그러나, RD가 게시되었고 나는 그 모호함을 지지했고, 의견 일치를 분명히 했지만, 품질에 대한 기사를 읽는 은 여전히 게시 관리자에 달려 있었다.오, 그리고 음반, 필모그래피, 혹은 그 어떤 것이든 간에 한동안 계속되어 왔기 때문에 어떻게 해서든 놀라거나 실망하는 것은 그저 가벼운 재미일 뿐이다.더 램블링맨 (토크) 11시 20분, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
맞아, 나는 투표 전에 기사를 읽었어.아, 이런. --LaserLegs (토크) 11:24, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 잘했어, 잘했어.마지막 방어선이 되어줘서 고마워, "네 나라는 널 필요로 해"!내가 언급했듯이, 항상 그렇듯이, 우리는 의견 일치를 떠나서 너무 빨리 자료를 게시하는 관리자들을 보아야 할 것 같다.더 램블링맨 (토크) 11:33, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
공정하게 말하면, TRM, 당신이 찬성 투표와 함께 이 사람에게 청신호를 줬다는 사실이 이 글이 성급하게 게시되는 데 일조했을 것이다.관리자가 글을 올리기 전에 확인했어야 한다는 것에 동의하지는 않지만, 모든 문제에 대해 주의 깊게 살펴본다면, 나는 개인적으로 당신이 개인적으로 괜찮다고 생각하는 것이 좋거나, 적어도 세부적인 확인이 필요한 것은 아니라고 생각하는 경향이 있다.아마쿠루 (토크) 11:36, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
하하. 레이저, '한 박스에 죽은 독일인 두 명' 댓글로 행정관이 빠르게 올린 것을 가장 먼저 축하해 주셨습니다!마르티네반스123 (대화) 11:41, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
(ec) 당신이 나에게 그 책임을 지워야 하는지 잘 모르겠다.나는 관리자가 아니고, 게시 관리자가 몇 가지 빠른 선택을 했다.만약 내가 이미 내 입장에 대해 추론을 제시할 수 있다면, 그것은 (당시에는) 이의 없이 RD로 게시되었고, 나는 단순히 프레빈이 변혁적이었고 따라서 흐릿하게 보일 가치가 있다고 믿는 나의 관점을 제시했다.그 이상의 비난을 추구할 필요가 없다. 내 의견과 게시물이 무시될 수 있었음에도 불구하고, 나는 수퍼유저가 아니라, 사람농민에 가깝기 때문에, 나는 이 문제에 대해 어떤 실책도 취하지 않을 것이다. 관리자들은 메인 페이지를 만들고 업데이트할 때 그들의 행동에 대해 100% 책임을 져야 한다.아마도 누군가 게시 관리자가 한두 명의 기고자들과의 독특한 대화보다는 의견을 말하도록 격려하고 싶어할 것이다.The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 당신을 탓하는 것이 아니라, 일어날 수도 있고, 혹은 아닐 수도 있는 잠재적인 시나리오를 제시했을 뿐이고, 그것이 섣부른 게시물의 이유가 될 수도 있고 아닐 수도 있다.어쨌든, 더 이상 이 일에 말려들지 않을 거야...다른 사람들은 다음에 무슨 일이 일어날지 판단할 수 있다.그리고 만약 내가 미래에 직접 글을 올린다면, 그 물건이 너의 투표권이 있든 없든 나는 확실히 신경 쓸 것이다.고마워 — 아마쿠루 (토크) 11시 52분, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
투표하는 사람이 누구든 신경 써서는 안 된다.중요한 게 아니라, 행정적 책임은 메인 페이지의 무결성을 유지하는 것이지 단순히 개표만 하는 것이 아니라, 심지어 한 사람이 존재하지 않는 공감대까지 보는 것이 아니다.관리자는 이러한 책임을 져야 하며, 이와 관련하여 지속적으로 판단 착오를 범하는 경우 도구가 계속 그렇게 하도록 허용해서는 안 된다.The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 당기지 않았을 리포스팅. pbp 14:28, 2019년 3월 3일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 애초에 그것이 당겨졌어야 했는지에 대해 논쟁의 여지가 있는 것을 다시 게시해라.르프리카바크 (대화) 20:53, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 그래서 이 지명은 아직 진부한 것인가, 그렇지 않은가?작은 '오체스트랄 음악' 하위 섹션이 잔존 문제의 주요 부분인 것 같다.출처는 아마 찾을 수 있을 것이다.아니면 우리가 검색하는 동안 코멘트가 나올 수도 있다.고마워요.마르티네반스123 (대화) 10:09, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 오래 된 것이 아니라, 상자 안에 오래된 흐림이 남아 있다.ref가 빠진 대형 '리더/공동 리더로서의 재즈 녹음' 코너가 이슈다.당신은 무엇이 사람을 WP로 만들었는지에 대해 언급할 수 없다.주목할 만하지만 WP가 규정한 "최소 포괄적"인 경우:ITN 유감스럽지만. --LaserLegs (대화) 12:21, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 미안, 나는 그 섹션이 완전히 소싱된 줄 알았어.하지만 이제 보니 약 30개의 앨범(대부분 리링크)이 소스가 필요한 것 같다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 12:25, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 재게시하지 말라 - 형식적인 이유로 (개선되거나 단축되는 대신) '그'를 당긴 것은 개탄스러운 일이었지만, 지금 그를 다시 데려오는 것은 더 슬퍼 보일 것이다.그런 일이 다시는 일어나지 않게 하려면 어떻게 해야 할까?통계에 따르면 대중이 관심을 가질 때(첫 봉우리가 게시되기 전날이라는 점에 유의한다) 언급하는 것과 그렇지 않은 것은 차이가 없고, 대중이 관심 있는 사람을 메인페이지에 올려놓지 않는 것은 독자들에게 도움이 되지 않는다. --게다 아렌트(토크) 10:40, 2019년 3월 5일(UTC)[응답]
  • 다소 아이러니하다.아마도 프레빈에게는 재투표가 필요할 것이다. 물론 이미 오래 된 경우가 아니라면 말이다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 12:07, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 만약 그 기사가 준비되었다면 그는 마지막 RD를 대체할 수 있을 것이다.스티븐 12시 11분, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 그 킥킥거리는 아이템을 중요하지 않다고 평했다.하지만 "오르체스트랄 음악" 하위 섹션은 꽤 중요하다. - 고전 음악에 더 익숙한 누군가가 출처를 찾거나 검색을 계속하는 동안 그것에 대해 언급하는 과감한 결정을 내릴 수 있을지도 모른다.마지막 엔트리가 된다는 것은 어쨌든 그가 곧 밀려날 것 같다는 것을 의미한다.고마워요.마르티네반스123 (대화) 12시 20분, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답하라]
흐릿하게 다시 게시하는 것은 별개의 문제다.그런 일은 일어나지 않을 것 같다.마르티네반스123 (대화) 12:27, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 뉴스에서 보면 케케묵은 것 같아.4,200단어 후, 가까이서 제안하라.Sca (대화) 16:45, 2019년 3월 6일 (UTC)[응답]

2월 27일

무력 충돌 및 공격
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(폐쇄) 카이로 열차 참사

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

기사: 람세스 열차 충돌 (대화 · 역사 · 태그)
흐림: 이집트 카이로 중심부의 람세스역을 뒤덮은 열차 충돌과 그에 따른 화재로 최소 25명이 사망하고 있다.(우편)
뉴스 출처: BBC
크레딧:
명명자의 의견:적어도 25명이 죽었어공개대신 (대화) 03:05, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대. 기사는 그루브. --보그퀸(토크) 05:05, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 스텁을 반대하다.The Rambling Man (talk) 05:43, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 조항은 모호한 내용 그 자체보다 더 많은 텍스트를 포함하고 있다.게시하기 전에 확장이 필요하다. --Jayron32 12:31, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 반대 – 이전 버전별로.스카 (대화) 13:55, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

(포스팅) 2019년 인도-파키스탄 대치 상황

기사: 2019년 인도-파키스탄 대치(대화 · 역사 · 태그)
흐림: 인도와 파키스탄의 군사적 대치는 양국이 공습을 실시한 후 고조된다.(우편)
대체 블럽: 기존 업데이트:인도와 파키스탄은 인도의 공습에 이어 교전을 벌인다.
크레딧:

명명자의 의견:이것은 최근 고조된 분쟁에 대한 새로운 기사로, 특히 핵폭탄을 소지한 두 나라가 관련되고 있어, 특히 현재 서로의 항공기를 격추하고 있기 때문에, 계속적으로 언급할 가치가 있다.미카엘 헤그스트룀 (대화) 12:25, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 지원...원칙적으로는, 무엇보다도 내수에 대한 포즈처럼 보이는 이 티격태격 갈등이 당분간 계속될 것 같다.스카 (대화) 13:24, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 우리는 현재 공습에 대해 모호한 의견을 가지고 있다.우리는 그것이 명단에서 삭제될 때 계속 진행하는 것을 고려할 수 있다.또는 흐림을 업데이트하십시오.하지만 두 가지를 동시에 가지고 있지 않다. --Tone 13:23, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 블러브 업데이트 지원.우리는 이미 시대에 뒤떨어진 문제에 대해 모호한 의견을 가지고 있다.블러브를 업데이트하고, ITN에서 만료되는 경우 계속 진행 중인 것을 고려해야 한다.---파타르 기사 - contributions/ 16:04, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 또한 더 많은 최신 정보를 가지고 있기 때문에 2019년 인도-파키스탄 교착상태 기사를 언급하면서 블럽의 업데이트를 지지한다.축복의 죄 (토크) 17:00, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 전쟁이 아니라 공역 침해를 위한 십일조를 반대하라.이것은 끝났고 계속되는 전쟁이 아니다.적어도 아직은.두 나라 중 어느 쪽도 추가 군사행동에 나설 것이라는 증거나 암시는 없다.양국 모두 이를 격상할 의사가 없다는 입장을 분명히 밝힌 상태론도 있다. --DBIGXrayᗙ 17:23, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 입장을 분명히 해 주시겠습니까?이를 '옹구'로 포함시키거나 발라코트 공습에 대한 모호함을 인도-파키스탄간 대치 상황으로 바꾸거나 둘 다에 대해 반대하십니까?여기에는 두 가지 다른 제안이 있다.를 축복하라 (토크) 17:32, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 지지자와 나는 ITN의 "2019 발라코트 공습"을 중단해야 한다고 말하고 싶다. 왜냐하면 최근의 갈등이 그 단일 사건에서 앞서가고 있기 때문이다.ML talk 17:47, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 휴가 반대 및 블럽 업데이트, 블럽이 만료될 때 여전히 "뉴스 속"이라면 진행 중인 상태로 두십시오.언제부터 '옹오잉 퍼스트'가 대유행으로 번졌을까? --LaserLegs (토크) 18:23, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 업데이트 블럽을 업데이트하고 롤아웃되면 진행 중인 상태로 게시하십시오.배네돈(대화) 18:26, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • LaserLegs당 반대.The Rambling Man (talk) 22:38, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 다음 중 하나로 블럽 업데이트 제안:
  • 를 축복하라 (토크) 22:53, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 진행 중인 내용에 추가하지 않고 흐릿하게 업데이트하십시오.나이스4왓(토크) 00:24, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지 모호한 표현 발라코트 공습은 이제 낡은 공중 충돌에 대한 인도 공세가 되었다. 그래서 나는 발라코트를 제거하고 대신 "상대의 영토에서"라는 문구의 부록으로 블러스트 에 의해 제안된 첫 번째 흐림을 업데이트하는 것을 지지하겠다.이렇게 해서 만들면,
  • 업데이트 블럽 - As Bless Sins Sherenk1 (토크) 04:50, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 업데이트 블럽 - Bless Sins에 따라. - 잔허 (토크) 05:41, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지원 "2019 발라코트 공습"을 없애라. 왜냐하면 지금은 단 한 번의 공습보다 훨씬 더 많은 것이다.파키스탄은 이미 동등한 반응을 보였다.위키피디아는 모디의 구강 역할을 해서는 안 된다. --43.251.252.148 (대화) 05:59, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 또한 지명자로서 블럽을 지지하고 위에 대안을 추가했다.미카엘 헤그스트룀 (대화) 06:51, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • plus 블러브1 by Bless sins — 마틴 (MSGJ · talk) 09:01, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 코멘트다소 구식인 것 같다.Sca (대화) 02:42, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 댓글을 달다.알트블러브는 "인도에 의한 공습"이라고 쓰여진 후에 이 사진을 가질 수 있다.움볼로^^^ 10:22, 2019년 3월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 일부 편집자들은 WP에서 다음과 같이 제안하였다.이 흐릿함에 업데이트가 필요한 오류와 일부 다른 오류는 계속으로 이동해야 한다고 제안했다.댓글 부탁해.— 마틴 (MSGJ · talk) 13:46, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 인도와 파키스탄의 군사적 대립이 심화되다.
– 시대에 뒤떨어짐 – 현재 상승하고 있지 않음.이 복잡하고 자주 바뀌는 이야기는 계속에 속한다.Sca (대화) 14:14, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 일단 진행으로 옮겼어.— 마틴 (MSGJ · talk) 20:27, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
@Stephen: 그냥 되돌아가는 대신 이 토론에 기여할 수 있는가?— 마틴 (MSGJ · talk) 21:41, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
오류에 대한 다른 토론에 대해 말하는 것은?Stephen 21:49, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
"양국이 공습을 한 후에도 인도와 파키스탄 사이에 긴장이 고조되고 있다"로 변경됨.개선은 환영했다.Stephen 22:25, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 계속으로 지원 이동 - 곰곰이 생각해 보니 MSGJ가 계속으로 이 프로그램을 이전하는 데 있어 올바른 결정을 내렸다고 생각한다.원작이 최근 며칠 사이에 관계의 해빙으로 대체된 것은 사실이고, 새로운 표현은 더 이상 뉴스 이야기처럼 보이지 않고 오히려 진행 중인 것으로 보이게 한다...즉, "감사절"의 정확한 목적이다 — 아마쿠루 (토크) 22:34, 2019년 3월 4일 (UTC)[응답하라]
    더 이상의 언급이 없으면 진행 중인 상태로 되돌릴 것이다 — 마틴 (MSGJ · 토크) 12:16, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
    다른 모든 항목처럼 목록 사이클을 중단하는 것은 어떨까?스티븐 12시 20분, 2019년 3월 5일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 나는 블럽을 다음과 같이 업데이트 할 것을 제안한다.

"파키스탄은 체포된 인도 조종사 MiG-21 Bison을 '평화 제스처'로 석방한다."

파키스탄은 인도 조종사가 카슈미르 상공에서 '평화 제스처'로 격추시킨 것을 반환한다.

'평화 제스처'로 파키스탄에 의해 인도된 인도인 조종사 - 아랍 뉴스

아비난단: 파키스탄이 건네준 캡처된 인도인 조종사 - BBC 뉴스120.18.121.9 (대화) 04:14, 2019년 3월 6일 (UTC)[응답]

(포스트) 2019 나이지리아 총선

기사:2019년 나이지리아 총선(토크 · 역사 · 태그)
흐림:무하마드 부하리나이지리아의 대통령으로 재선되었다.(우편)
대체 블럽:무하마드 부하리나이지리아의 대통령으로 재선되고 야당인 아티쿠 아부바카르는 그 결과를 거부한다.
뉴스 출처:BBC, CNN, 텔레그래프, 워싱턴 포스트
크레딧:

지명된 이벤트는 WP에 열거되어 있다.ITN/R, 따라서 각각의 발생은 게시할 수 있을 만큼 충분히 중요한 것으로 추정된다.논평은 기사와 업데이트의 품질이 WP를 충족하는지 여부에 초점을 맞추어야 한다.중요성이 아니라 ITNCRIT.

명명자의 의견:아프리카에서 가장 중요한 국가 중 하나인 총선거.기사를 업데이트하고 있다.Siredimon (대화) 04:42, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 논평 나는 이것이 어떻게 작동하는지 정말 잘 모르지만, 결과를 거부하는 제1야당은 그렇게 큰 문제가 아니다.2003년(2015년 제외) 이후 나이지리아에서 치러진 모든 선거는 야당이 법정에서 결과에 이의를 제기하는 것으로 보고 있다.무하마드 부하리(사진) 나이지리아 대통령이 재선된 것은 내가 보기엔 괜찮은 것 같다.Ping @Ammarpad: - 경험 많은 ITN 기고가로서의 그의 견해에 대해.아까도 말했지만 ITN은 처음이라 이 댓글이 부적절해 보이면 삭제해줘.안녕, 마흐보텀 (대화) 10:40, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
    @Mahveotm: 핑해줘서 고마워.그 흐릿한 것들은 그냥 제안일 뿐이고 너는 방금 내가 했던 것처럼 대안을 추가해도 된다.또한 나는 그 거절이 애매한 상황에서 언급할 가치가 있는 흔치 않은 것이라고 생각하지 않는다.암마르패드 (대화) 10:57, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
    • 만약 제3자(예: EU 감시자)의 부정행위에 대한 광범위한 보도가 있었다면, 그러한 비리는 언급할 가치가 있을 것이다.그러나 여기서는 그렇지 않을 수도 있다.를 축복하라 (토크) 17:34, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 우리가 지난해 푸틴의 '재선'을 올린 것에 대해, 나는 쇼 선거는 본질적으로 뉴스 가치가 있는 것이 아니기 때문에 게시되어서는 안 된다고 제안했다.나는 우리가 선거의 정당성을 따지는 것이 아니라는 거의 보편적인 합의를 보았다.당연하지, 하지만 그것도 여기 있어야 해.우리는 쇼 선거를 위해 비슷한 발언을 자제하면서 부하리의 승리가 더럽다고 주장해서는 안 된다.유령 15:12, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 흐림을 있는 그대로 받쳐라.를 축복하라 (토크) 17:34, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 논평 - 나는 "..."을 포함시켰고 야당인 아티쿠 아부바카르는 그 결과를 거부한다." 몇몇 중요한 신문에서 그것을 보았기 때문이다.그러나 나는 나이지리아 정치 전문가가 아니므로 다른 어떤 헛소리도 받아들인다.난 문제 없어.--SirEdimon (대화) 21:25, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • Stephen 01:08, 2019년 2월 28일 (UTC) 게시[응답]
  • 댓글을 달다.사진. umbolo^^ 10:11, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 우볼로에게 동의하라.유죄 판결을 받은 아동 성추행범 펠의 사진을 찍어서 나이지리아 대통령으로 대체해도 될까?-잔허 (대화) 23:10, 2019년 3월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

(폐쇄) 2019년 태플레중 헬기 추락 사고

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

기사:2019년 태플레중 헬기 추락사고(토크 · 역사 · 태그)
흐림:네팔 라빈드라 프라사드 아드히카리 문화관광민간항공부 장관을 태우고 있던 타플레중에서 에어 왕조의 헬기가 추락했다.(우편)
뉴스 출처:[1], [2], [3], [4]
크레딧:
__캡틴 메두사토크 13:40, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

(폐쇄) 라빈드라 프라사드 아드히카리

다음의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

기사: 라빈드라 프라사드 아드히카리(토크 · 역사 · 태그)
최근 사망자 지명(우편)
뉴스 출처: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
크레딧:

위키백과 기사와 함께 어떤 사람이나 동물 또는 유기체의 최근 죽음은 항상 게시할 수 있을 만큼 충분히 중요한 것으로 추정된다(이 RFC추가 토론 참조).논평은 기사의 질이 WP를 충족하는지 여부에 초점을 맞추어야 한다.ITNRD.
__캡틴 메두사토크 15:39, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지원, 하지만 기사는 확대해야 한다.를 축복하라 (토크) 17:35, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 스텁을 반대하다.The Rambling Man (talk) 22:34, 2019년 2월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
위의 논의는 종결되었다.수정하지 마십시오.이후 코멘트는 해당 토론 페이지에서 작성해야 한다.이 논의는 더 이상 수정해서는 안 된다.

2월 26일

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(Posted) RD: Wang Yening

Article: Wang Yening (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She died on the 22nd, but it was not reported until the 26th. Zanhe (talk) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Article seems fine to me.--SirEdimon (talk) 06:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Chicago mayoral election

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article:2019 Chicago mayoral election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Chicago will become USA's most populous city to ever elect a black woman mayor after Lori Lightfoot and Toni Preckwinkle advance to runoff in 2019 Chicago mayoral election. (Post)
News source(s):New York Times, Chicago Sun-Times, AP News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Mayoral election in the USA's third-largest city. --> Dotdh15 (talk) 06:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support The fact that Chicago will be the largest city to have an African-American female mayor is historical and long overdue, I am not sure if it's globally newsworthy. Article in good shape though. Perhaps it will become more newsworthy once a mayor is elected on April 2. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unless this was something unique, we rarely post local election results. --Masem (t) 06:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Have the regulars become that braindead? The "something unique" is right there at the beginning of the blurb. What I would have a problem with is the use of "first round". It appears that this IS the election and that you're comparing the difference between a general and runoff election to something like a primary and general election, and they're not comparable. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we don't post things that might happen generally. And as this is local politics, we don't generally post that either. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not "might", it's certain; two candidates advanced to the runoff and they're both black women. Davey2116 (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, they may both die before the runoff. Or withdraw. Or be found guilty of some crime. It's simple, nominate it when it happens. But even then it's local politics, meaningless to many. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant, and article is good. But if we want to wait until the final winner is determined on April 2, I'm fine with that, too. Davey2116 (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the election is finished, then we can evaluate article quality and news coverage. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local politics story, lacking in significance. A bit of perspective is needed here - it is incredibly unlikely that a similar story would be published if this "news" took place in any other country that has a majority white population. This "news" doesn't become any more special just because it happened in the US. Chrisclear (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Much like the George Pell story, this is significant but too incremental. If I support this, I am bound to support when it happens in LA, then NY. We've now a had a black female SOS, and there is a very decent chance we have a president in two years. Fortunately, the time has passed for this. ghost 10:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's an election for a position that's not of great significance in a single city in a single country in the whole wide world. The significance is race- and gender-based too, which is of dubious value as well. It's just not of international interest. Banedon (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local politics, very local story. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 Balakot airstrike

Article:2019 Balakot airstrike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Indian Air Force conducts pre-emptive airstrikes at Balakot in Pakistan (Post)
Alternative blurb:India says it launched air strikes against militants in Pakistani territory after a suicide bombing earlier this month that killed 46 Indian soldiers.
Alternative blurb II:India says it launched air strikes against Kashmiri militants in Pakistani territory in a major escalation of tensions between the two countries.
Alternative blurb III:India conducts an air strike against suspected Kashmiri militants in Balakot, Pakistan.
Alternative blurb IV:India conducts an air strike against suspected militants in Balakot, Pakistan.
News source(s):The Hindu, Reuters, BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A major international event. The terrorist camps in Pakistan were hit. Pakistan confirmed that incursions by the Indian Air Force occurred and Pakistani jets were scrambled in response. DBigXray 06:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support based on the significance of the event. The story is still developing. The article needs expansion with additional information before posting. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Altblurb V: Indian military aircrafts dropped bombs in Balakot, Pakistan.
  • Proposed most neutral altblurb5. It is a claim which both nations agree upon without any dispute. Voice your opinion.-Nizil (talk) 16:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sherenk1, the problem with Blurb2 is that it is factually incorrect, they are "Pakistani" militants. Jaish-e-Mohammed#Membership consists primarily of Pakistani citizens and not Kashmiris as it is being claimed in the blurb2.--DBigXray 09:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:DBigXray This is the wording used in BBC news article.Sherenk1 (talk) 09:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I support it in principle as it seems to be an important diplomatic event for that region. The article is small, but for sure it'll be improved in a short time. Like everything that involves the relations between India and Pakistan, it's a controversial matter, so I suggest we be very careful with the blurb and all the information on the article before publishing it.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind comments.SirEdimon, indeed since it is a controversial matter, the blurb I proposed is based on news that is confirmed by both Indian and Pakistani official sources. Even Pakistani ISI Spox has confirmed that Balakote was bombed by Indian jets. Source: Dawn (a Pakistani Newspaper that kowtows official narrative) --DBigXray 07:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DBigXray I think you misunderstood it. I did not specifically criticize your blurb. I spoke in a general way, as this matter is very contentious, I think, in a general way, we should be prudent to avoid issues. This is what I meant.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. I clarified just in case someone else has this thought. Regards.--DBigXray 07:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as usual, the article needs a copy edit. "pre-emptive" is a marketing term, added alt-blurb 3. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The problem with your blurb is that it is denied by Pakistan, who insists that the raid hit no militant at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • "India conducts airstrikes targeting the militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed in Balakot, Pakistan." 159.53.110.142 (talk) 12:24, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
...and we can hardly have a blurb that says "India pretends to launch an airstrike...", etc., whatever the BBC say; we'd be laughing stocks! ——SerialNumber54129 12:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, alt blurb 3 looks OK to me. Nsk92 (talk) 12:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but none of the blurbs seem okay. I don't agree that the militants targeted were Kashmiri militants. The territory where the strikes allegedly happened is undisputed Pakistani territory (India does not claim this land) called Khyber Pakhtunwala. The people residing there may not be Kashmiris. Alt blurb 3 is okay for me if you remove "Kashmiri". Breakfastisready (talk) 14:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Breakfastisready I added blurb4 based on your feedback. Even I support the same. --DBigXray 14:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Potentially significant, but no reliable sources provide NPOV info on results. India says hundreds killed, Pakistan says none. – Sca (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Right, but reliable sources reliably report India claiming 100's and Pakistan claiming 0. No issue here. WP:VNT applies --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but just repeating opposite, mutually exclusive claims doesn't inform readers very well. This incident could be just a footnote or a new chapter, depending on what actually happened on the ground. Sca (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The airstrike happened, we can inform readers of that, and inform them about the conflicting reports of casualties from the involved parties. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Major development in Asia with huge implications in India-Pakistani relations. Article is good and this is in the news right now. MX () 16:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb IV or V. India's unverified claims who was targeted should not be in the blurb. Regards SoWhy 17:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – India has claimed that Pakistan retaliated with heavy shelling along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir. I think this should also be added. (NDTV news article) --ASF23 (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, this remains a developing story. Wait. Sca (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Working Bringing article up to ITN standards. --QEDK () 18:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very cool ideogram. Sca (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Indian General Elections will take place in April. These airstrikes are just an attempt by the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to be seen as a strong leader. These won't have any lasting impact. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 18:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Suraj.sharma.1992: Even if that is true, (it just seems to be your opinion at the moment) the motivation of the attack is not relevant as to whether it merits posting to ITN. If anything, attacking another country for political purposes at home is more of a reason to post it, not less. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See this: "This Is Called 56-Inch Chest": BJP Leader Praises PM Over Balakot Strike. Operations like these are used by the PM to project that he is astrong leader. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Following articles also say this: 1234 --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See this CNN article: Why being seen as tough on Pakistan helps India's Modi --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Which only proves that the attack is significantly in the news, and those reading about it in the news might find it helpful to easily locate the Wikipedia article about it. These are reasons to post it, not keep it off. 331dot (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I have withdrawn Oppose vote. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 22:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on both quality and significance. This is a really good article! It just doesn't have any photo. I'm not sure which blurb is the best. wumbolo ^^^ 23:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as an international incident that's clearly newsworthy. Favour a combination of alt blurb & alt 3: both say what happened, and why India are doing it. Banedon (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - and ready to be posted.BabbaQ (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting ALT4. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Muboshgu. Can someone give the credits. Regards.--DBigXray 04:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Needs updating, as Pakistan says two Indian warplanes downed, two pilots captured. [11], [12], [13]. This topic really belongs in Ongoing (see nom. above). – Sca (talk) 13:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) George Pell

Articles:George Pell (talk · history · tag) and History of the Catholic Church (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Cardinal George Pell becomes the highest ranking member of the Catholic Church to ever be convicted of child sexual assault. (Post)
News source(s):BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This dovetails nicely with the allegedly ITN-worthy summit the Pope held earlier and can be folded into that blurb if so desired. Abductive (reasoning) 08:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Significance needs to be assessed with the knowledge that Pell was convicted on 11 December and our article stated this soon after (th e blurb should be refactored to be clear on this). It is only making the press today because the Australian gagging order has been lifted. Some foreign press such as the Washington Post reported it at the time - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support. (If article us up to scratch). This is the major story about this at the moment, not the pope's summit which shouldn't even have been posted. The Pell conviction is front page news in the UK, France, US etc. and is of general news worthiness for ITN. — Amakuru (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting the conviction of such a high ranking church official. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any thoughts on the staleness? If WaPo had it in December, surely the word got back to the Aussies, no? ghost 12:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • The news clearly indicates that this decision hasn't been publicly release until today because of a potential parallel legal case, which has been dropped due to lack of evidence. We have no need to worry about "staleness". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agree that this is not stale; it is an unusual case of timing. --Masem (t) 14:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support vitally important newsworthy quality story. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Support in terms of significance, but it really should link to a separate article on Pell's trial and conviction. The target biographical article, in its first sentence, identifies him as "an Australian prelate ... and the Church's most senior official to be convicted of a sexual offence." Normal bio articles don't usually spotlight the subject's most egregious misdeed right off the bat. Apropos BLP, note that Pell says he plans to appeal. And more than one source is mandatory. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this OR the Popes summit, not both. At some point we need to stop reporting every minor development in the internal scandals of a private members organization. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination should be considered on its own. At times it's been a fairly high-profile story in the English-speaking world. Sca (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose That's a fine argument at ITNC, but we should still consider the risk of giving undue weight on the main page to clergy rape stories when a) the summit was a nothing-burger and b) the conviction of Pell was widely reported months ago. It's an accepted fact the clergy at all levels were engaged in this behavior. Many have been convicted. It seems the argument for posting today is a) this is the official announcement of the conviction and b) this guy is a cardinal. This is perverted logic; the fact that he's a cardinal has no impact on his ability to commit crimes and be convicted of them. ghost 16:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This user does not reply to users who don't exist. – Sca (talk) 16:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ghosts are people too, you know. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Were people, you mean. Sca (talk) 17:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But do Scas exist, and, if so, what are they? (Admittedly I'm also not too sure about the existence and nature of tlhslobusses either, but then consistency is reportedly the hobgoblin of little minds) Tlhslobus (talk) 15:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think it's fair to call it "widely reported months ago" when it was not reported in Australia, Pell's home country, at all until yesterday. -dmmaus (talk) 05:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Australia has the internet. It may not have been reported in the MSM due to the gag rule, but even the great firewall of China could not have prevented this info from reaching anyone who cared. Separately, I'm striking my opposition in light of the fact that posting this would bump the pope story, thus greatly mitigating UNDUE concerns. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Considering how rare it is that major members of the clergy are convicted of such crimes and the widespread reporting, this seems to be ITN worthy. I understand the problem with staleness but agree with my fellow editors above although the blurb needs to be rephrased to clarify that. Regards SoWhy 17:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality. There are multiple CN tags that need to be resolved. Weak Support on significance. We already have the Vatican's summit posted (which I opposed). Posting two stories on what is realistically the same topic does look UNDUE. IMO this is by far the more relevant but I don't like having both up on ITN.. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per LaserLegs - one or the other, but not both. I'm OK with merging this into the Vatican summit blurb. Banedon (talk) 23:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability. This is notable, and is news worldwide. The article has several cn-tags though. Davey2116 (talk) 08:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Davey2116. The cn tags have been fixed. This is definitely notable, and its posting will push the Vatican summit off ITN, so there won't be two blurbs about the same topic, a concern raised by some. -Zanhe (talk) 00:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Blurb may be OK, but why do we add a child molester's picture on the front page?--Joseph (talk) 18:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because he's in the news? We have criminals' pictures on the main page regularly, in all the different sections, if an article about them is in the appropriate slot. ‑ Iridescent 20:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) School strike for climate

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Article: School strike for climate (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Motivation: more then 10.000 school strikers in several countries every week, continuously in the news and spurring the debate about global warming in the news. --PJ Geest (talk) 09:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose thanks for the nomination but if this just getting a one line in the table update every week, it's not appropriate for Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose I think that it won't get enough coverage to get into the ongoing events. Felicia (talk) 14:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment agree with TRM,the article is rather thin, document individual marches with decent prose and we can discuss as as blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 25

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(Posted) RD: Paulo Nogueira Neto

Article:Paulo Nogueira Neto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Estado de Minas, Folha, Globo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian environmentalist. Fuebaey (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Article seems fine to me.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article has an unsourced section — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I fixed that - sourced the list of publications. Dropped one from 1955 not found, added two more recent ones. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Beverley Owen

Article: Beverley Owen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. The news reports were only published on 25 Feb, even though she died on 21. DBigXray 16:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support It's a bit thin, but I believe it passes muster for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article is small, but well referenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • If she died on 21 Feb then this one is stale unfortunately. What are the rules regarding late reports? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:15, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MSGJ we have a very recent example of the Argentina footballer Emiliano Sala. His RD was posted after confirmed reports were published. I think it is fair to consider the date of the reports of death to decide stale or not. There is no way anyone can nominate an RD unless death is reported in media. --DBigXray 19:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted as last item, there's nothing that will bump her for a while. Stephen 22:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ernst-Wolfgang Böckenförde

Article: Ernst-Wolfgang Böckenförde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Important German expert for constitutional law, former judge of the German Constitutional Court. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as nominator. Have added references, hopefully sufficient. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Decent article and adequately sourced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Although since it's RD only, that's not necessary. But influential in his field for sure. (Nice work, Zwerg.) Sca (talk) 18:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mark Hollis

Article: Mark Hollis (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Perrone, Pierre (8 October 2012). "After all this time, it's still good to Talk Talk". The Independent. Retrieved 25 February 2019.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)"Mark Hollis, lead singer of Talk Talk, dies at age 64, reports say". The Guardian. 25 February 2019. Retrieved 25 February 2019.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Known as the singer of English pop-rock band Talk Talk. While an official date of death has not yet been confirmed, Hollis has been reported dead as of 25 February 2019. —BLZ · talk 01:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Fully referenced article so far as I can see. Exact date and cause of death have not yet been reported in any reliable sources, though the fact of his death has been widely reported. A very well-respected and much-loved musical figure. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sufficiently relevant, sufficiently referenced. Mark in wiki (talk) 09:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 11:07, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 24

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(Closed) Biman Bangladesh Airlines Flight 147

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Article:Biman Bangladesh Airlines Flight 147 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:a hijack-attempt at a Biman Bangladesh Airlines Boeing 737-800 was foiled by Bangladesh armed forces in Chittagong with all the passengers being rescued unharmed. (Post)
News source(s):[14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]
103.205.132.70 (talk) 17:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not particularly significant event or with broader political or technical ramifications: also the article needs improvement. At the moment, the lead says the perp was taken into custody while the body says (badly) that he was shot dead. Qu'est-ce qu'on pas ecrit...? ——SerialNumber54129 17:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unless they demonstrate this was terrorism-related (presently they have asserted the man was mentally imbalanced), this is not a significant event. --Masem (t) 17:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Foiled with no casualties except for would-be perp. Not significant. Sca (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mac Wiseman

Article: Mac Wiseman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. American bluegrass music (country) artist. --DBigXray (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Short, but there's enough there for the main page. Scrupulously referenced. --Jayron32 14:08, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose In its present state, insufficient coverage of the subject's musical career to merit RD posting. SpencerT•C 15:37, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Spencer thanks for your kind feedback, I have now expanded the Music career. While it is far from GA I believe the article now deserves the ITN RD slot. --DBigXray 16:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the expansion. I think more could be added regarding the subject's career, but it meets minimum standards, so I will weak support. Best, SpencerT•C 20:29, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lothar Zenetti

Article: Lothar Zenetti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): katholisch.de
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Writer and publicist, influential hymnwriter - I began his article in 2016. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Short, but there's enough there for the main page. Scrupulously referenced. --Jayron32 14:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margaret Scott (dancer)

Article: Margaret Scott (dancer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): danceaustralia
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: influential ballet dancer, article looked already decent when I checked --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The organization, with every paragraph getting its own header, is a bit whack, but I won't hold up the nom over that. Everything is referenced, the article covers the breadth of her life. --Jayron32 14:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:22, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 91st Academy Awards

Article: 91st Academy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Green Book wins Best Picture at the Academy Awards. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Green Book wins Best Picture and Bohemian Rhapsody wins in four categories at the Academy Awards.
Alternative blurb II: Green Book wins Best Picture and Bohemian Rhapsody wins the most awards with four at the Academy Awards.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Preping this with only two awards to go in the ceremony (Director and Film). The article has been updated as it has gone on, and it is more than just tables (it discusses the controversy of the host) Masem (t) 04:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment and support. All the awards are in now. References seem adequate for a recently made article. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support updated and ready IMO. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Presenters need a reference. Also, we usually also mention which movie got the most awards if it is not the best picture winner. --Tone 08:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    As of now, the entire presenters list has 7 distinct references. I'm not sure we need an 8th. --Jayron32 14:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I can't find anything wrong. Looks good to go. Favor alt2, second choice alt1. Alt2 is, IIRC, how we have usually formatted these sorts of postings in the past, but if people prefer alt1, it's OK also. --Jayron32 14:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer alt1. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is alt2 even gramatical? I can't parse it — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If you take out "with four" it is much better — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the original blurb. Including the tally winner is just a habit, not an obligation. IMO, it looks odd when the number is so small. ghost 16:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • A concern of mine is that 4 awards are not great. Unless those four locked up Best Picture, Director, Actor and Actress (a sort of trifecta), 4 is a relatively small number. --Masem (t) 16:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. I'll mention Bohemian Rhapsody since it at least got the Best Actor of the big ones, also giving the opportunity to use a picture of Rami Malek. Feel free to change. --Tone 16:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Antoine Gizenga

Article: Antoine Gizenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Soir
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Congolese politician. Fuebaey (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment He was the DRC's Deputy Prime Minister in 1960 under Patrice Lumumba, led a breakaway government from 1960 until 1961, and was Prime Minister of the DRC from 2006 until 2008. One of the Congo's more famous politicians, and one of the last of his generation to die. -Indy beetle (talk) 19:58, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks okay — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:09, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Vatican sexual abuse summit

Article: Vatican sexual abuse summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pope Francis holds a summit on sexual abuse in Vatican City. (Post)
News source(s): AP BBC NPR NYT WaPo
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unprecedented summit on clerical sexual abuse. It ran from Feb. 21-24. Article was thrown together just now, so there might be some things missing. Could use some pictures. Ununseti (talk) 15:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support posting. You've done a good job with the article — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • We typically post summits when they result in something significant, which does not seem to be the case here. Stephen 23:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support – It certainly has gotten a lot of coverage, and Francis's statement comparing sexual abuse of children in the Church to pagan child-sacrifice rites does seem noteworthy. Sca (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the summit is unprecedented and tries to address a serious issue that's widely reported and has global impact. Article quality is good. -Zanhe (talk) 02:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Stephen. The summit has been criticized as long on rhetoric but short on substance. Which criticism does not appear to have gotten much attention in the article. Also there have been some very public complaints to the effect that certain topics were off limits at the meeting including the abuse of seminarians and the question of the prevalence of homosexuality within the clergy. Agan, I'm not seeing much discussion of this within the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:37, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Zanhe. Seems kind of like a big deal. ―MattLongCT -Talk- 03:27, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as sources say, "short on details". Also posting this would run afoul of WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Abductive (reasoning) 04:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Major event in the history of the largest Christian denomination. Received massive international news coverage. Perceived inadequacies in the results, the day after its conclusion, also run afoul of WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm on the fence on significance, but quality more than compensates for that. I don't follow the WP:RGW argument. If we were posting clergy molestation stories back in the 80s, yeah, that would be RGW because we'd be drawing attention to that which was otherwise being kept quiet or denied. ghost 12:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Prominently covered by news source, and Wikipedia has a decent article to highlight. Checks all the right boxes. --Jayron32 14:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Conditionally. There are two cn templates in the article that need to be referenced. 7&6=thirteen () 14:52, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I added an infobox with the summit's logo since no photo has been added yet, hope that helps. Nice4What (talk) 15:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've been seeing this in the news a lot recently. I added refs for those two cns. Ahiijny (talk) 15:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I support this but I feel the blurb needs a bit more to explain what happened or will happen. I know the next step appears to be the Vatican writing out new policies and processes for dealing with the issues around the matters. Just saying a summit was held gives no context. --Masem (t) 16:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability - very much in the news and quality is up to par --DannyS712 (talk) 20:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have commented so will not post, but I have marked it as ready — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:22, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Unlike the Pell story (see above), unless there is something I'm missing, this doesn't seem like a world changing story. Not sure what the significance is. — Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Li Xueqin

Article: Li Xueqin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Beijing News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The most famous living historian in China, until now. Zanhe (talk) 02:13, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Looks fine to me. -- Ununseti (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good. plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Douglas

Article:Douglas (parrot) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):RTL Nieuws, Der Spiegel, SVT
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Brazilian actor. Fuebaey (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Proposed deletion rationale is as follows: "This is a parrot that had one film role. Not at all notable. Most actors/actresses who have had only one film role usually have their wikipedia pages deleted as there isn't enough merit to this 'celebrity' status. Same should apply to animal actors." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure if it was pulled. I think it left the MP because new RDs took its place.--SirEdimon (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yup. This happens sometimes when there's a lot of RDs on one particular day. There's got to be a DYK here though, surely? Black Kite (talk) 23:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given that we've moved to 6 RDs if they fit on 2 lines, I've put him back. Stephen 23:40, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, too confused to keep track any more. The PROD has now been removed anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC) .... let's hope it doesn't get "nailed to its perch." [reply]
Pretty flighty RD stint. Maybe that means he's not still dead? A winged vampire? Sca (talk) 16:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Assam alcohol poisonings

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Article:Assam alcohol poisonings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:At least 133 people have died and more than 100 are being treated in hospital after drinking toxic bootleg alcohol in north-eastern India. (Post)
News source(s):BBC, Guardian, toll 133 nowIndia Today
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article has just been created. Great loss of life. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (the current revision is Special:PermanentLink/884724148) - its 1 sentence total --DannyS712 (talk) 16:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Obviously the current "article" does not qualify. If it were to be developed into a genuine article, I'm not sure this all-too-common occurrence would qualify for ITN, despite the number of deaths. Sca (talk) 17:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Article is a micro-stub. I am neutral for now on the merits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:55, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm not yet convinced on the significance of this event. Such poisonings are not uncommon in India; we have articles on nine in the past decade alone and this incident is currently only the fourth most deadly - Dumelow (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I was thinking along the same lines. So why do they keep drinking it? Because they can't afford the proper alcoholic beverages? I'd rather quit drinking alcohol then. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So you're telling us you'd rather be alive than dead? Sca (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Next to nothing at target article. I've retitled it, though, so switched the title here. May as well vote while I'm editing. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the article has been improved a lot since its nomination. A big tragedy with a huge loss of life (133 so far). The ITN criteria has been met. --DBigXray 08:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is still looking rather bare. One section is completely empty — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:04, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Article isn't much more than a stub and news-wise the story's getting stale. Sca (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is still quite weak. It does not need to be a GA but taking 2016 Irkutsk mass methanol poisoning as an example, the article should have a brief mention of the causes. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still rather short and this isn’t really a rare occurrence, sadly. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One of the biggest alcohol poisonings in India. More than 150 people died and 300 hospitalised. The article, though needs improvement but contain enough information of the incident. Wiki.editAnshu (talk) 08:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Stanley Donen

Article: Stanley Donen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Director of Singin’ in the Rain. Article is rated GA class. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Provisional support - director and producer of one of my favourite films, Bedazzled ("You fill me with inertia"). Although a GA there are a few issues with unsourced claims, I've tagged those pending a fix. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Article text seems reasonably referenced. The filmography, as is often the case, is not referenced at all. Capitalistroadster (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose – All his films are referenced in the body. There is no need for citations again. We just need to take care of the 6 citations needed. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The filmography is also fully sourced in a separate article. I'd be happy to look over the other refs.--Phibesfan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All citations accounted for. User:Yorkshiresky did some great work and hopefully will vote. I think some of the unreferenced info was added after it became a GA.--Phibesfan (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)--Phibesfan (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but also believe that it should be a main headline instead of just Recent Deaths.--Phibesfan (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)--Phibesfan (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I believe all the outstanding issues have been addressed. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on quality; no comment on notability/blurb. Marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted in RD. Blurb will need more explicit consensus for that — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This peppering citations into filmography list is imho a bit nonsensical. Did you actually discuss/check that with Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, other film related projects pages and with peoples writing articles in that area. To my knowledge filmography entries only need to have citations in cases were a verification might be difficult. That means in particular cases which are not listed in various film databases and/or film that are hard to accees. Also note each filmography entry is already a primary source for itself of sorts and this only fails for films which are lost. So in particular adding citations in Donen filmography seems completely unnecessary.--Kmhkmh (talk) 23:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shipping of humanitarian aid to Venezuela

Nominator's comments: I know I'm nominating this some days late, but the event is not stale. Worthy of mention is also the burning of three trucks containing aid; there has been a lot of coverage regarding the event. The crisis will probably have important news while it is ongoing, and we don't know for sure how much it will last. That said, I truly think that nominations should have a blurb when a notable event in Venezuela happens, such as this ammount of these deaths. I encourage any recommendation and fix regarding grammar. Jamez42 (talk) 14:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose this is already in Ongoing, isn't it? Also, it seems to have dropped off international news already. Banedon (talk) 11:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Morgan Woodward

Article:Morgan Woodward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Dallas News, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article about an American actor with everything sourced. DBigXray 09:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to Ongoing) Sudanese protests (2018–19)

Article: Sudanese protests (2018–19) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Important political event in Africa. Article needs to be updated. --SirEdimon (talk) 03:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sounds like this might be an Ongoing posting, if updated, I'm not sure. 331dot (talk) 11:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Better suited for Ongoing, and it needs some copyediting. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support on significance, but the narrative needs a lot of work. We should feel no need to rush to post; this story is not going stale. Ongoing does seem like the best option. ghost 02:09, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as one of the lead authors (weirdly). The central and regional governments were just dissolved. That's rather big news. Compare the monthly views to Yellow Vest Movement which did not lead to government dissolutions (only to one mayor being sent off to the Conseil Constitutionnel). Help improving the article would be appreciated. ^^ SashiRolls t · c 14:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Now that this is an ongoing nom, it fulfills the criteria. Article is pretty good. Davey2116 (talk) 17:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to ongoing — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:03, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Clark James Gable

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Article: Clark James Gable (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor, and grandson of Clark Gable, dies at age 30. Davey2116 (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Brody Stevens

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Article: Brody Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American comedian dies in apparent suicide at age 48. Davey2116 (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - Article has several ref issues.--SirEdimon (talk) 03:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Biodiversity loss

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Article: Biodiversity loss (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The UN's FAO reports a decline in the biodiversity required for the world's food. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is the latest in a series of alarming reports warning of a significant decline in biodiversity. Andrew D. (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Big news of major human interest. Can't ignore it. (WaltCip, logged out) --128.227.165.102 (talk) 13:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not because the issue is not important but this is a speculative report, stating that if we don't stop decline in biodiversity we may see issues related to food supplies. The UN like most of their forward-looking reports wants countries to take steps now to prevent a possibility. --Masem (t) 14:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Per Masem.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem. Sca (talk) 21:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with alternative blurb. Like most risk management reports, the FAO report is a meta-review of the "role and importance" (why do we need it), "drivers of change" (why is it changing), "status and trends" (how much of it and which direction that's going), "state of use" (what are we doing with it), "state of categorization" (how are we collecting data), "state of conversation" (what are we doing about it), "enabling frameworks" (what is helping us do something about it) and "needs and challenges" (what do we need to do). To call the report speculative is to only read Chapter 9 ("needs and challenges"). There's a huge amount of quantitative data we can report on here without touching that "may" statement (even if that is supported by extensive scientific evidence). TheDragonFire (talk) 04:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. If this is so significant, perhaps the main FAO article needs to be updated. wumbolo ^^^ 13:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Precedent This is the first assessment report on biodiversity by the FAO but the similar IPCC Fifth Assessment Report was posted at ITN in 2013. Andrew D. (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • There, for the IPCC, there was much more coverage of te report, and while this biodiversity report is being covered, its far from the headlines compared to the IPCC. --Masem (t) 16:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose doesn't seem like a big deal, e.g. from the quoted source, "The Gambia says that large losses of wild foods have forced communities to turn to industrially processed foods to supplement their diets". Okay, and is that bad? What's wrong with industrially processed food anyway? Banedon (talk) 11:15, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Four new letters in DNA alphabet

Article: Hachimoji DNA (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Scientists synthesize four new letters that can be used in DNA (Post)
Alternative blurb: Scientists synthesize Hachimoji DNA composed of four additional nucleobases than those naturally found in DNA.
Alternative blurb II: Scientists create viable DNA, using four additional new bases, greatly expanding the types of life forms that may exist in the universe.
News source(s): [21][22][23][24][25]
Credits:

Article updated

Banedon (talk) 05:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Cool concept, but so theorhetical as to what it could mean. If it were the discovery of four new naturally occurring base pairs, that might more significant, but this seems far too novel to have any real application now. --Masem (t) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why would discovery of new naturally occurring base pairs be more significant? Banedon (talk) 11:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe The article needs work to explain what's new rather than just speculation. And the blurb needs work because the concept is four new letters rather than four new alphabets. The potential is enormous though. I suppose that evolution already tried and rejected this way of doing things but introducing alien DNA into our environment could literally change life as we know it. Andrew D. (talk) 10:35, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this has no context at all, completely "meh?" moment. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft approve Scientific research and success are notable, this certainly is interesting. doktorbwordsdeeds 20:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but to 99.9995% of our readers, it's intractable. Could you suggest a blurb which is meaningful and contextual to the masses? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Scientists manufacture DNA with 8 bases."? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Rather obscure; significance unclear. Sca (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Creating artificial nucleobases and doubling the number of DNA letters is absolutely revolutionary. Nobody can tell what the long-term implications will be (this could lead to things we can't even imagine), but it'll surely be more significant than 100% of the sports tournaments we regularly feature on ITN. The research is published in Science so it's solid, and the article is good quality, kudos to Drbogdan. -Zanhe (talk) 06:34, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Yes - *entirely* agree with comments above supporting (or approving) this proposed candidate for ITN - another possible blurb (or equivalent) may be as follows: "Scientists create viable DNA, using four additional new bases, greatly expanding the types of life forms that may exist in the universe." - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • We don't know if it's "viable". Yes, it forms a double helix but they haven't shown anything like replicability, and decoding to actual proteins. Also "may exist" is far too speculative. Basically, this is far too basic research at the current state for the ITN; if they demonstrated a viable single cell organism that actually used the 8-base DNA, then that might be worth talking about. --Masem (t) 16:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Masem: Apparently, the researchers adapted an enzyme ("T7 polymerase") to produce unnatural "Hachimoji genes", which, in turn, were used to produce unnatural "Hachimoji RNA", and later, "Hachimoji proteins".[1][and related refs at "Hachimoji DNA#References"?] - afaik - this is, in itself, at least a form of "viable DNA" I would think - although there may be greater degrees/levels of "viability" as noted of course - in addition - expanding the usual genetic code from 4 natural bases to 8 bases suggest that the usual 4 natural bases (A,C,G,T) are not unique to producing a successful molecular genetic system - and, as a result, opens up the possibility of life existing in the universe of a kind not as we know it - iac - hope this helps in some way - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 18:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Dumé, Bello (22 February 2019). "Hachimoji DNA doubles the genetic code". Physics World. Retrieved 22 February 2019.
  • Support -- Added an alternate blub. There is no need to dumb it down. Readers can go to the links and learn more. We have a Featured Article on DNA and an OK article on Nucleobase. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt-blurb 2. I've got no idea what this is, but it sounds cool so let's post it Openlydialectic (talk) 15:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose using DNA for data storage is over-hyped vaporware, and this is still just a lab demonstration. I'm not convinced it is as important as its proponents think it is. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, with some preference for the original blurb but the alt blurbs are also OK. This is not about storing data, but about scientists creating, for the first time ever, four new basic blocks of life. Nsk92 (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting story, in the news, and article looks okay. Support — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. -- King of ♠ 04:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank for that! I just learned= something new! :) ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 04:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The good news is, we got Mr. Iconic's dark glasses out of the ITN box. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Hilde Zadek

Article: Hilde Zadek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vienna State Opera
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Soprano for decades in major roles at the Vienna State Opera, international guest performances. For a pleasant change, the article was already decently referenced, and with the obituaries, even more could be done if needed. - Looking closer, it looked so decent because Grimes2 already updated before me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Article quality looks good. Nice work. -Zanhe (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on quality, marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: E Dongchen

Article: E Dongchen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chinese scientist and polar explorer. Zanhe (talk) 01:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on quality; referenced enough --DannyS712 (talk) 22:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - refs look good.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 04:09, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nick Cafardo

Article: Nick Cafardo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Sports Columnist DBigXray 05:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Don't see any pressing issues. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support short but okay; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentArethesereally the types of sources we want to use on a BLP?--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Coffeeandcrumbs: I think they are okay... if you disagree, feel free to remove the "ready' tag --DannyS712 (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked all three out, here's my analysis: The first is the website of the Whitman Times, from Whitman, Massachusetts, a legitimate local newspaper. It's a small circulation local paper, but I have no reason to doubt that it is a legit newspaper. It seems perfectly reliable. The second is his CV from an organization he worked for; it would not be independent for the purpose of determining notability, but otherwise I have no reason to doubt its reliability (reliable sources and independent sources are different things; sources that are not independent are fine so long as they are reliable, and are not being used to justify inclusion per WP:N). The third source is borderline, but 1) the writer does list his own sources, so that helps and 2) It isn't being used to provide a source for contentious information. I think its OK, it would be better if it were supplemented with a higher quality source, but it's not enough to get bent out of shape over. Based on my analysis, I am not worried about any of the three sources as worth holding this off the main page.
  • Support Article is short, but of sufficient quality and length. Full referenced. Looks fine to me. --Jayron32 17:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thank you. Please fix the broken reference with missing closing tag. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:00, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) SpaceIL Launches aboard SpaceX Falcon9 Rocket

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Article: SpaceIL (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Israel to become fourth country to land a spacecraft on the moon after the launch of SpaceIL aboard a Falcon 9 Rocket (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceIL, the first commercial rocket, is launched aboard a Falcon 9 towards the moon.
Alternative blurb II: Israel becomes fourth country to launch a rocket to the moon
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/science/spacex-launch-israel.html
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is historic because it's 1) going to the moon, and 2) it's the first non-government rocket going to the moon. I think in a few months hopefully when it lands we can also have a blurb, but just a successful launch is noteworthy enough. I think we can work on the blurb, mentioning Google prize, etc. Sir Joseph(talk) 02:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning on oppose until either the lander successfully lands on the moon (in 2.5 months) or there's some incident. Falcon 9 has launched before with payload so that launch is nothing really new. --Masem (t) 02:12, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • wait textbook WP:CRYSTALBALL. Post it when it lands Openlydialectic (talk) 02:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case the launch already has the Beresheet module in Earth orbit, which is not just a regular payload, it had some people worried it wasn't going to make it. Besides, even if it was just a regular launch, it is newsworthy for the launch itself, it's the first commercial launch to the moon, make it or not, it's one for the books. Again, those saying wait or oppose are missing the point, the launch itself is newsworthy, regardless if it makes it to the moon or not. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Israel hasn't launched a rocket, they've paid SpaceX to launch their probe which will potentially land on the moon. The Google Prize has ended, so not sure why that would be mentioned. The launch is routine, landing on the moon is when this should be nominated. Stephen 03:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Going to the moon is not routine, so that's why it's newsworthy, itself, regardless if it actually makes it to the moon. I mentioned the Google Prize because I think it's an interesting aspect to it that people might find interesting. Sir Joseph (talk) 03:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait prefer wait too per above. Whether or not it successfully lands, it'll be news and we can post it then. Banedon (talk) 05:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – 'til it lands. Sca (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Jussie Smollett

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Article: Jussie Smollett (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: American actor Jussie Smollett is charged with filing a false police report after he said he was assaulted in a hate crime. (Post)
News source(s): [29] [30]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Has been one of the biggest news stories over the past 3 weeks. Reports suggest that this case, one of the most famous racial hoaxes in recent times, could impact how future cases are dealt with. The story has reached a certain threshold in the police investigation and appears to have reached its peak in terms of being in the news, so now is the best time to post. HampsteadLord (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for two reasons. (1) We usually post convictions or sentencing, not charges filed. (2) This is a case that has drawn attention, but is really just about him and his career, no broader implications for anyone else. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Muboshgu. --Masem (t) 20:53, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this is of mild interest to probably another section of the main page but is not something I would expect to see covered in an almanac of the year's most newsworthy or notable stories. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above, suggest snow close. Sca (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose while notable since Smollett orchestrated his attack, and it now appears his racist letter he received a while back, it's not worthy enough for inclusion for a worldwide encyclopedia. Although, to an extent, I can see little support for inclusion for lots of media celebrities rush to judgement and support, and how they blamed certain people for this incident, which might be noteworthy in itself. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Peter Tork

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Article: Peter Tork (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A few citation verifications (unrelated to the death) pending — xaosfluxTalk 19:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now "A few citation verifications (unrelated to the death) pending" is somewhat understating the extent of the problems in an article in which 16 out of 35 paragraphs lack a single citation - Dumelow (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Working on (several people are) over 8 new citations added today, some unsourced info removed. — xaosflux Talk 20:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, on rereading my comment it came across a bit pessimistic and confrontational, apologies. Best of luck improving the article. One thing I like about the RD process is that it is quite effective at instigating improvements to a wide variety of biography articles. If its ready in time give me a ping and I'll drop by to switch to support - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose with regret. Looks like some chopping out needs doing, or forking, as this seems unlikely to be ready in a timely fashion. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Trying - could use a few more hands, but may not make the fast RD cycle (at work now, so going a bit slow). — xaosflux Talk 21:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Article is improved although citations needed. The songs written section is mostly unreferenced and could perhaps be omitted. Unlike Paul McCartney, Peter Tork was not known for his song writing. Capitalistroadster (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose with regret I’ve held out for as long as I could but the article is just not up to scratch, despite improvements. I think it’s a real shame that some editors are fixated on high-fiving each other for reverting vandalism and templating anything that moves, while articles like this are left to rot :-( Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 12:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ritchie333: (and others) thanks for the notes, don't have time to clear this up without leaving huge sections on the chopping room floor. Thanks for everyone who has helped improve the article, I'd rather see it continue to get better over time then to canalize it just for a RD spot. — xaosflux Talk 17:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) PewDiePie vs T-Series

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Article: PewDiePie vs T-Series (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is being seen as a battle between individual creators on the internet and big corporations. This will determine the future of the Internet. Pewd4life (talk) 17:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strongest possible support Highly important event, possibly the most important in the XXI century so far. Openlydialectic (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strongest possible oppose Who the hell cares who has the most subscriptions on YouTube? Before I clicked the link, I thought it was referring to a lawsuit with implications on Internet freedoms or somesuch. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm struggling to see any real-world implications for this event. If there are any it can be nominated for a blurb when they happen. Thryduulf (talk) 18:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 Dhaka fire

Article:2019 Dhaka fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:A fast-moving fire killed at least 70 when it swept through a historic district of Bangladesh's capital Dhaka. (Post)
Alternative blurb:A raging fire kills at least 80 as it sweeps through a historic district of Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka.
News source(s):BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Just created, so give some time as other editors work on it. Around 70 people have died Sherenk1 (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I'll promptly support it when it's ready to go. It seems a very significant event with a big death toll.--SirEdimon (talk) 06:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's been a few hours since the last significant edit and I'm half-expecting to give it a little prod. Dat GuyTalkContribs 08:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – pending article development. Alt1 offered per AP's 81 death toll, which may change (note present tense). Sca (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on merits. It appears that the article is being quickly developed. I recommend modifying the language of the altblurb; no need to use personification ("raging fire") for emphasis. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 16:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No problem – must admit the journalistic phrase "raging fire" is a cliché, and "fast-moving" would be fine. Note that around 16:30 the AP reduced its "at least" toll to 67. – Sca (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - and ready to post.BabbaQ (talk) 21:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Too short at the moment. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I went ahead and deleted the only unsourced claim in the article, and the quality of the article has been significantly improved since the last vote. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC))[reply]
  • Oppose Come on; the first section opens with "eventually." Plus, take out the "thoughts and prayers" and you could fit the whole article on a cocktail napkin. ghost 18:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I have to agree with GCG here. Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose – Significant, but article hasn't been sufficiently fleshed out over the last day and a half. More than a third of the text is devoted to "Reactions," which add no information. Sca (talk) 21:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, three full-fledged sourced sections by now, significance undisputable. Brandmeistertalk 10:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's somewhat better, but reactions and "Financial assistance" still make up half the article. Plus, in news terms it's getting stale (like houseguests and fish). Sca (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • One surviving female specimen of the Fernandina Galápagos tortoise species, which was thought to be extinct for more than 100 years, is found. (USA Today)

(Closed) RD: Francisco Mañosa

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Article:Francisco Mañosa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):business mirror, abs-cbn
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 16:23, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Vinny Vella

Article: Vinny Vella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article of an actor with everything sourced. IMHO ready to post. DBigXray 06:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on quality; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks DannyS712, I hope an admin comes along and posts this soon or else it will be stale. --DBigXray 05:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreferenced films. Stephen 06:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Stephen an IP had added unreferenced films after the nomination. I have fixed the filmography again. Please check if you can support this nomination now. --DBigXray 07:09, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I don't see any issues stopping an RD post.BabbaQ (talk) 08:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Fred Foster

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Article:Fred Foster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Rolling Stone,The Tennessean
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Nashville music legend who helped launch the careers of Dolly Parton, Roy Orbison and founded Monument Records. Country Music Hall of Fame (2016). CoatCheck (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ekkehard Wlaschiha

Article: Ekkehard Wlaschiha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The headline in the (German) obituary translates to "With Alberich to world fame" - live broadcast from the Met, and performance in the reopening of the Semperoper. - I found the article as an undersourced stub, it had been longer but that was copyright violation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Ongoing) Battle of Baghuz Fawqani

Article: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Syrian Democratic Forces, supported by the U.S., France and the UK, defeat and capture the last territories controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria.
Alternative blurb II: The Syrian Democratic Forces defeats the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 'Caliphate' being territorially defeated after 5 years is major news. Adding this post pre-emptively to avoid this being posted late (as was the case for North Macedonia.) When this happens (which it will per official sources, this is not WP:CRYSTALBALL) I suggest posting it as soon as the article is swiftly updated. Nice4What (talk) 18:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support This is very significant and the article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, the last news I heard said it's on the verge of defeat. The situation will probably clarify within a day or two. Brandmeistertalk 09:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article on it's own doesn't explain it's significance vs any other battle in the ongoing civil war. I'm concerned about claiming "the defeat of ISIL" because their principal opponent declares it such. ISIL will be taking credit for suicide bombings for the next 20 years. From a quality standpoint, there are some large paragraphs with a single source, and the prose which is there is filled with the usual irrelevant anecdotal commentary like "The civilian truck drivers said 18 foreigners were among the dozens of civilians fleeing with them". We're supposed to be reporting on the "final defeat of ISIL in Syria" but the article is highlighting 18 non-Syrians fleeing? Come on. The problem with WP:RECENTism is that the article gets fluffed up with this sort of reliably sourced but ultimately unverified factoids. When the Syrian civil war ends and either the SDF or Assad surrenders and admits defeat, then that's a post. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing and promote to blurb if/when the battle concludes. Banedon (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing - the battle has not yet ended, but per above, if it concludes with the Islamic State losing the last of its Syrian territory, that's certainly noteworthy enough for a blurb. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 16:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reposted and support for Ongoing - BBC reports that civilians have evacuated and remaining militants have surrendered, complete capture is imminent. I certainly recommend posting it to "Ongoing" and later as a blurb once the battle has concluded. (I also tweaked blurb to cover add the UK, which I initially omitted; I've listed the countries in that specific order as it is US and France on the front lines, with air support from the UK. Wouldn't be opposed to replacing them with CJTF-OIR though most countries in the coalition aren't participating in this final battle, so I feel it'd be a little less accurate.) Nice4What (talk) 18:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment proposed alt-blurb 2 which doesn't pretend that ISIL will just pack up and go home. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They have a home? Sca (talk) 13:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel that the defeat of ISIL territorially here is what makes this specific battle significant, alt blurb II just seems like another battle going on in Syria. Nice4What (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    You're free to leave a !vote to that effect. I would appreciate it if you'd not comment on my remarks directly, except if seeking clarification. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    "I would appreciate it if you'd not comment on my remarks directly"???
    lol.
    Oppose Alt Blurb II for reasons states above ... This is how you wanted it formatted, yea? Nice4What (talk) 22:33, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – What happened to the caveats "so-called" or "self-proclaimed" – ?? – Sca (talk) 13:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Though I am not opposed to including these caveats, these caveats are primarily useful for proto-states, and per the lead of the ISIL article, it is a former (rather than current) proto-state. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 16:03, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How about: an evanescent self-proclaimed theocracy? Sca (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment ISIL once commanded vast tracts, and the fact that it no longer does is very significant. But my feeling is that there is a certain whac-a-mole effect in place on the "last hold out." ISIL must have soldiers in other parts of Syria, right? And they could pop-up and take over a town in hours and then (technically) ISIL has territorial control again. Within this context, ISIL has long since lost all it's territory. ghost 13:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is whacamole made from avocados? – Sca (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 19

Armed conflict and attacks
Business and economy
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Sports
  • The opening round of the Aeroflot Open, an international open chess tournament, is postponed a day after 45 minutes of play as a bomb threat locks down the Moscow hotel hosting the event. Similar threats also shut down cinemas, shopping centres, and theatres; thousands are evacuated. (Chess.com) (Chessbase)

(Closed) Bramble Cay melomys

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Article:Bramble Cay melomys (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:The Australian government declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct. (Post)
Alternative blurb:The IUCN declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct.
Alternative blurb II:The IUCN declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct, the first recorded mammalian extinction due to anthropogenic climate change.
Alternative blurb III:The Australian government declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct, the first recorded mammalian extinction due to anthropogenic climate change.
News source(s):National Geographic, Washington Post, BBC, New York Times, The Guardian.
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is well-sourced but a bit short. Described in the news as the first mammalian extinction directly attributable to climate change. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: It is no longer a stub. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:43, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Has the IUCN formally declared it to be extinct? That's what the infobox appears to be claiming. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    It has: citation to IUCN added. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Then one would imagine the blurb should reflect that, rather than just a recommendation of the Aussie government. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The IUCN declared this extinct some years ago. It hit the news then, but we didn't post it. It's hit the news again because of the Australian government statement (which in some ways is bigger, because it actually affects policy, whereas the IUCN assessment is widely used but not legally meaningful), and so I think we should take the opportunity to post it. @Black Kite: That's why I didn't propose the alt blurb you have now added. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the guardian is calling it the "first mammal species wiped out by human-induced climate change". Article is sufficient. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I suspect that fact should somehow be factored into the blurb to give it context as loads of animals go extinct for various reasons. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Added altblurb2. Black Kite (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – The IUCN declared this species extinct in 2015/16. [31] --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Coffeeandcrumbs: Nonetheless, it is in the news again because of the Australian government's action, and we didn't post it when the IUCN changed its categorization. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Above, you said it has legal ramifications. What exactly? Does it affect any other nations? I could be convinced to change my mind if there is some regional and international consequences to this announcement. Otherwise, if this only affects Australians, there is nothing to see here.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:55, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Coffeeandcrumbs: The Australian government designation is what affects protection for the species, including land regulations in its habitat: which, arguably, is limited in its impact. However, that doesn't change my basic point; this is a documented extinction that is very much in the news globally right now, so we should post it. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's not even clear from news reports (which also confirm that Queensland state government confirmed the extinction way back in 2016) what, if any, the ramifications are. The article contains nothing related to what impact this will have on legislation. The BBC also confirmed that "Australia has one of the world's highest rates of animal extinction" so I guess there are plenty more such stories round the corner. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Good faith, but it appears that this news broke several years ago. Had this not been the case, I would have been willing to support on its merits. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 16:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Drop in the ocean This creature is a variety of rat that lived on a tiny island -- the size of a large garden/small farm. It has been flooded to extinction but there are still lots of close relatives in the region. This is quite insignificant compared to the global scale of biodiversity loss as reported by the UN today. See the nomination above. Andrew D. (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I think that this is significant. Species going extinct is notable in my own view. Impacts the whole ecosystem. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 16:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the article looks good to me and it's in the news now. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose On the face of it, I find this notable. But when you dig down...it's "likely" extinct and "likely" caused by habitat loss...and it started from such a precarious situation a stiff breeze would have wiped them out. I know we shouldn't give credence to deniers, but it's seem difficult to phrase a blurb that is both accurate and substantial. ghost 17:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Notable story. Davey2116 (talk) 01:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I smell a rat in this 'news.' – Sca (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - and post already. Good refs. Special reading about sad subject.BabbaQ (talk) 01:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. We posted Baiji, also a mammal, on the Main Page shortly after its extinction was declared. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:40F7:521D:1A5C:D4D8 (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose overhyped over the extinction of a single species that is largely unknown to most of the world. 2607:FCC8:B085:7F00:655B:B3F6:9666:8265 (talk) 04:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Namvar Singh

Article: Namvar Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. A notable and awarded Hindi author DBigXray 08:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Seems decent enough. I found nothing to object to that is not fixable with some light copy editing. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Short but Ok enough. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support satisfactory, good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question is it "minimally comprehensive"? "Literary works" says he wrote 12, lists three. There is a mention of his communist party involvement getting him fired, but no details about that period in his life. I'm not opposing, just asking. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LaserLegs, I was able to find RS mentioning these 3 books as his popular works. If me or someone else finds more referenced books, we can certainly add along with the refs. Regrading his communist activities, the reliable sources I found thus far, only mention it as such, hence it is mentioned as was sourced. ITN RDs need strict BLP compliance before being promoted to the Main page.--DBigXray 12:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Vanamonde, can someone give the credits? Regards. --DBigXray 04:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done, FTR. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Newcombe

Article: Don Newcombe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some work, but doesn't appear to be terrible otherwise (not overly long and nothing that would be too hard to source - will work on). Nohomersryan (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Blurb posted) RD: Karl Lagerfeld

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Article: Karl Lagerfeld (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld, best known for his creative work at Chanel, dies at age 85. (Post)
Alternative blurb: German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld dies at the age of 85.
News source(s): [32]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Iconic fashion designer. BabbaQ (talk) 11:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He was a major figure in the fashion world, which makes him also qualify for a blurb. By the way, this is a breaking news in most media at the moment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Icon in the fashion industry, should be posted to RD but a blurb could be sufficient knowing how important he was. Nice4What (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd proposed something of the lines "German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld, best known for his creative work at Chanel, passes away at age 85." Nice4What (talk) 13:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Use dies not passes away - see MOS:EUP. O Still SmallVoice of Clam 15:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I'll change the blurb. Nice4What (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, strongly Large sections of this article lack references. I don't care to opine on whether to blurb or not. But if we do, something should first be done about the WP:CSECTION. IMO, a separate section for controversies is inherently undue. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb not seeing the level of coverage I need for a blurb, if it's getting wall to wall coverage in a day with video of Merkel laying flowers at his casket I can reconsider. Oppose RD for now on quality. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems somewhat unlikely. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Saying you want to see a "video of Merkel laying flowers" makes it seem like you don't know much about Lagerfeld... he is one of the most recognizable icons of the fashion industry, not necessarily a German hero. Coverage is also everywhere [33][34][35][36][37]Nice4What (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm shocked, genuinely shocked, that you were able to find links to articles talking about his death. Stunned even. That is not the same as widespread coverage. I stand by my oppose. Have a nice day. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Chill out 😂 The news of the death is definitely widespread, I don't know how you can't see that for yourself. Nice4What (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Icon (including iconic) has become one of the two most overused words in the English language – the other being clearly. – Sca (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems the BBC have it wrong, clearly.Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yup, and a host of others, including, alas, the AP. The good news is, Reuters and the Guardian resisted the rush to devalued language. Sca (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Au contraire: both Reuters and Guardian regard him as a cultural and/or fashion "icon". The Rambling Man (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, in headlinese, at least. Reuters: "creative genius," Guardian: "fashion designer." – Sca (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we all read past the headlines, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh dear someone taking my sarcasm seriously again. Sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Clearly, you're in over your head. – Sca (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb or at the very least RD. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article sourcing quality only. Would support a blurb here given. --Masem (t) 15:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Consensus is that blurbs should be reserved for cases in which the death itself could be the topic of a full Wikipedia article. This is explained in WP:ITNRD, and I strongly suggest the nominator and all the pro-blurb notvoters here read it, and then withdraw their nomination and their notvotes. Furthermore, dying when super old is the opposite of what blurbs are for. Abductive (reasoning) 15:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't say that a blurb needs its own article on the death, but I would say is that the blurb is needed when the death itself is the story. Being old and dying of being old does not require extra explanation in the way that a murder, suicide, or accident would. --Jayron32 15:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    He wasn't "super old". He was 85. He was still professionally active last October? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Say what you want, consensus says blurbs are for huge death events, not some old person dying. Abductive (reasoning) 15:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    We had a blurb for Aretha Franklin when she passed away. No separate article, no unusual death... so your point doesn't have a standing. Her death and Lagerfeld's are undeniably significant. Nice4What (talk) 15:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    He's not "some old person dying". He's a very notable old person dying. His longevity has contributed to his notability. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    All Wikipedia articles are about notable people. --Jayron32 16:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, quite. Not just "some old people". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    It is patently untrue that consensus says this. Deaths of major transformative leaders in their fields may be posted as well. ghost 17:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality; referencing is a mess. Would prefer RD when it is cleaned up, as there's nothing particularly unusual about the manner of his death that needs explaining. --Jayron32 15:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Deaths don't have to be unusual to be posted. See Aretha Franklin. Nice4What (talk) 15:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Why am I forced to repeat, in perpetuity and for all of time, every mistake I made in the past? Just because we didn't do the right thing in the past, doesn't mean we are forced to keep repeating that wrong thing over and over again every time it comes up. Why would you suggest that we are forced, based on doing something wrong in the past, that we now have to do the same wrong thing over and over? That seems like an unusual rationale. --Jayron32 16:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought the Franklin blurb was wholly deserved. Not wrong at all. Although I also think Lagerfeld's influence on popular culture was far less in comparison. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    We're going to have to disagree on that. If all we have to say in a blurb is "So and so died" and that's it, then that's a waste of text space. That's what RD is for. It's a list of "so and so"s who died. The fact that I liked someone, or found their life's work more interesting to me is not a reason why I think their death bears more attention. ITN has only one purpose: To tell people about Wikipedia articles they should read. That's it. It's not an award that we give to some people because we find their life's work important enough to bestow a special honor on. ITN exists only to say "Something happened recently. Here's a Wikipedia article about it to learn more." I repeat again: It is not an honor to get a space in ITN, and it is not a greater honor to get a blurb over an RD link. They are exactly equivalent ways of linking to an article on the main page. The only reason a blurb is needed is so people have context for why the link is there. If the link is there because someone died, and all we have to say is: "they died", then RD is sufficient. --Jayron32 17:24, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If RD and blurb are "exactly equivalent ways of linking to an article on the main page", I'm really not sure what we're discussing here. But I don't see anyone proposing the blurb "Karl Lagerfeld has died." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The AltBlurb has his age, which is hardly relevent. The main blurb has his age and job description. Having an age and a job description should not be the minimum requirements for a blurb; else every RD would have a blurb. --Jayron32 19:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether someone gets a blurb and what's in the blurb are two separate questions. If all we're trying to do is get the reader to read the article it shouldn't matter. Certainly Chanel could be mentioned. The fact that he was German many readers may not even know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Aretha? Seriously? You better think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.21.193 (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, also Oppose RD until such time that there is at least one reference per paragraph. Still several unreferenced paragraphs at the moment. Mjroots (talk) 17:24, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, The New York Times calls him "The Soul of Fashion", "Designer Who Defined Luxury Fashion", "the most prolific designer of the 20th and 21st centuries", "the shape-shifter" and says "he achieved an unparalleled level of fame and created a new kind of designer".[38]--Cyve (talk) 17:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb – Not convinced of Lagerfeld's broader significance, and expect coverage to fade soon; death at 85 of pancreatic cancer seems unremarkable. Support RD when ready. Sca (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb clearly a world transformative figure in his field. meets our normal definition. I know he won't get it though because fashion falls out of our editing demographics interest, unlike geeky comics in which Stan Lee was posted. Food for thought. I notice Lee had barely any opposes while it was a battle to get Aretha Franklin on and it'll be impossible to get any fashion figure on. . Such is life. GuzzyG (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Strongly agree that the blurb is facing opposition because it's outside of most editor's interests. Truly felt like the support for a blurb would be a no brainer (after the article is updated a bit more). Nice4What (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nice4What: you've commented at length on nearly every contributor who has opposed a blurb for this nomination, and now you're questioning our motives. Absent any hard guidelines, all considerations are valid, and mine is Thatcher/Mandela. I'd kindly ask that you strike your remarks above, as you do not know me, or anything about me, or what motivates my opinions. Thanks. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaserLegs: I've commented a lot since I proposed the blurb and think it should be posted. I feel when people make comments such as "not a transformative figure", "not seeing the level of coverage", and "not convinced of broader significance", it's clear that this topic is outside the scope of their personal interests. I will not strike my remarks... it seems you have more of a problem with what was said by User:GuzzyG than what I wrote. Nice4What (talk) 21:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb (RD is sufficient) and Oppose RD as the article has many missing references. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Not a transformative figure. Also I'm truly saddened by GuzzyG trivializing the work of Stan Lee to just "geeky comics". That would be akin to me saying Karl is just some "old white guy who makes overpriced clothes". (WaltCip, logged out)--128.227.165.102 (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Just like you dismissing someone who the New York Times called "The Soul of Fashion", "Designer Who Defined Luxury Fashion", "the most prolific designer of the 20th and 21st centuries" as "not a transformative figure". Doesn't feel nice when editors talk about fields outside of their interest hey? I think you need to explain why the niche interest of comics (or are we going on best selling popular film?) has had more of an impact on human society then fashion itself. And how a young, white, computer specialist, western driven website would lean more towards instantly giving it's top honour for deaths to a comics writer but haggle over the "Queen of Soul" and completely reject a fashion designer. Not surprising in the least. GuzzyG (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I don’t give a crap what other people’s opinions are on his level of popularity, the fact is this has been covered by the likes of CNN, NBC, The New York Times, and the BBC. His influence on fashion and pop culture at large is indelible whether people like him or not, or even notice it. This wasn’t some random German expatriate. He ran two multi-billion dollar luxury brands and is considered an icon or legend. People don’t know a damn thing about fashion know who he is. If the article needs fixing then be bold. Trillfendi (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD & blurb Create a list of the three most transformative leaders in the world of fashion alive last week. Is he on it? Not even close. ghost 19:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop trolling. Trillfendi (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you calling the New York Times wrong in their assessment of him? What makes your opinion of his transformative status more reputable then the number one newspaper in fashion city? GuzzyG (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I wasn't saying that before, but I will now; Vanessa Friedman's take was wildly out of sync with every other obit I read today. And until she choose to register her opinion here, it is worth nothing. ghost 20:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    SO you admit your opinion is whimsical and when you get questioned you say things out of spite on something obviously false (read every other obit). No more needs to be said. GuzzyG (talk) 21:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed that this must be trolling. Who else than maybe Anna Wintour would be the top three? Lagerfeld was certainly not a nobody. As BBC had reported what model Claudia Schiffer wrote, "What Warhol was to art, he was to fashion; he is irreplaceable." Nice4What (talk) 21:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Please observe WP:NPA and do not accuse other editors of trolling. (WaltCip, logged out)--128.227.165.102 (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Should've replied to the initial remark rather than my agreement. Nice4What (talk) 22:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support blurb outside my realm of interest, but the coverage seems to indicate that he was significant enough to merit a blurb. At any rate, it would be nice if people would stop claiming that a death event itself must be significant in order for a death to receive a blurb. That is absolutely not how this works. Lepricavark (talk) 20:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but support blurb once up to scratch. There is absolutely no doubt at all that Lagerfeld is considered transformative in the fashion industry, it seems to argue to the contrary is to personally disagree with just about every reliable source covering this news. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per TRM above I know nothing about fashion, but the usual news (and specialist) sources available certainly agree that he was a leading figure and certainly hits the transformative threshold. And since I know nothing about fashion, I am going to go with what reliable sources indicate. And while there is going to be an aspect of 'bigging up' in any obituary, there are more than enough sources from his lifetime to support a blurb. Only in death does duty end (talk) 22:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've gone through the article and editing his early biography, removing a great amount of unsourced material, adding in new information about his career, and citing sources. I hope that anyone who opposed the article due to its shape before reconsider their vote, or go edit the article to further improve it. Thank you. Nice4What (talk) 22:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks a lot better - I’ve struck my opposition to RD. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Pinging users who opposed based on previous quality: Coffeeandcrumbs, Masem, Jayron32, Mjroots. Nice4What (talk) 22:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment 12 hours later and already off the main page of the CBC, Washington post, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, times of India, Spiegel .... no longer news, no longer a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Haha. The irony. Quite a ploy. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems you're still not reading what reliable sources have said about Lagerfeld's indisputable significance... Nice4What (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Every individual with a Wikipedia article is significant. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The german variant of Spiegel has 4 stories about him in very prominent position at this moment. So, not really true to claim it is off their main page. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't read German, and this is the English Wikipedia. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    So? You make wild claims that are blatantly untrue. Looked at CBC, there is a link to a Lagerfeld story on the main page. Looked at WaPo, Lagerfeld content on the main page. You don't want this as a blurb, fine. Making stuff up is not though. And you basically telling me that all non english sources are ueless because you can't read them is, quite frankly, astonishing. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 00:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking at https://www.cbc.ca right now, Lagerfeld is not on the main page anywhere. Why do you tell such needless lies? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, i assumed you meant CBC news. Is that not the main page to look for news on the CBC? Genuinely sorry if it is not. But there is a link there anyway. And you may want to tone down the rethoric when you yourself just made multiple dubious claims. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaserLegs: You refuted only one of their sources, sounds like a weakening argument. You're very persistent in your belief that this death doesn't meet your personal "level of coverage". The IP address was able to find stories on the other cites and made the point that you're dismissing international sources. Nice4What (talk) 01:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nice4What: I'm afraid you've got it backwards, I checked the sites I cited before citing them, the IP user is a lying liar who lied when calling me a liar, and I proved their lying lies to be lies. There is no reason for me to further debunk the lies of a documented lying liar. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaserLegs: You need to calm down a bit. I just checked what the IP claimed and their claims seem to be rather true. There are multiple stories on Lagerfeld at Speigel, I found three articles about Lagerfeld at the Washington Post main page as they claimed, and their CBC News link also includes stories about the death. I obviously don't necessarily agree with the IP since they are indifferent about the blurb, but repeating the words "lying liar" doesn't further your point. Nice4What (talk) 02:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok seriously, LaserLegs are you 12 or what? I have seen a link to Lagerfeld on the CBC news site on the side bar there, Spiegel full of coverage and the WaPo had a story and a video about him when i looked (all of which may well have changed by now, i really don't care either way). I don't get what set you off here. I really don't care if this gets posted. Totally neutral. But your antics... wow. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 02:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, where have you 'proven' anything? When i admitted and apologised for a misunderstanding about having looked at the news section of CBC for news instaed of the generic CBC page? Oh yeah, shame on me for for that. You totally cought me... But whatever, If it makes you feel good to accuse me of being a liar, then go ahead. Really couldn't care less. Anyway, have a good night non the less. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 02:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Post RD now and discuss possible blurb later. The article is ready for RD.--SirEdimon (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted as RD, please continue blurb discussion Yes, I !voted but there's clearly article improved and consensus to post the RD minimally. --Masem (t) 22:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per The Rambling Man's rationale. The quality seems sufficient now but I haven't looked at the article's references closely. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commentthe German Wikipedia has not done a blurb for Lagerfeld. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you know if they ever do blurbs? There is a very large dedicated section only for deaths on the german main page. Not attached to ITN like on the english language Wikipedia but its own thing. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    A dedicated section only for deaths, right below "In the news"? Why didn't we think of that?? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The use of sarcasm really helps to bring ones own point across. Anyway, you have no clue how the german Wikipedia works internaly, how they do their version of ITN, RD and what have you. You don't speak the language so really should not point at something you know nothing about to use it as an example to support your own position. You may be right that they did not deem important enough. But they may well just do it differently. Just because something works in a certain way here does not mean it works the same way on every other Wiki. And besides that, it really should not make any difference what they do as you yourself pointed out to me, this is the english Wikipedia. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 01:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The de wiki is the second largest Wikipedia (excluding bot generated Wikipedias) and it has a dedicated ITN feature in which Lagerfeld does not have a blurb. Nor is there a blurb for him in the ES wiki. I think the best think for you to do is to stop telling lies about me. --02:21, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
    And it has a dedicated, stand alone RD section, unlike this place. But hey, you want to claim expertise about something you don't know, fine by me. 91.96.119.222 (talk) 02:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    With your previous comments about Merkel, it seems you don't understand that Lagerfeld's nationality was not significant to his identity. He spent most of his life in Paris, moving there when he was fourteen years old. Also, what does it matter what the editors at the German Wikipedia choose to do if they have different processes/guidelines? Nice4What (talk) 01:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"O Freunde, nicht diese Töne! Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freudenvollere!"Sca (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD is reasonable. Death is gaining widespread coverage and article is now of reasonable quality so blurb may be warranted. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Post-closure comment, it's a shame that a majority was reached to post it as a blurb (from what I counted) with many of the votes for "Oppose" being based on the article's original quality, which was then updated/fixed. I truly believe that the blurb should've been posted rather than a closed discussion. Nice4What (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (Post-closure) On Wikipedia you just have to learn that if the field is not white male high culture (painting/cricket/composing or similar) or white male geek culture (video games/comics or similar) it just doesn't have a decent chance. [39] articles purely dedicated to his influence are still being posted, but barely anyone on Wikipedia is into fashion and that's all that matters. Someone like Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman will almost certainly pass. Anna Wintour will be denied too, it's a bad reflection on us. GuzzyG (talk) 13:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to get the numbers right, prior to the close, there were (at my count) 10 people with clear supports for a blurb, 9 people who supported RD only/Oppose Blurb, and 3-4 others who either didn't care, opposed any posting, or whose preference was unclear. It was a bare majority that supported the blurb, and such close margins are within the admin discretion, based on their reading of the rationales supporting either side. This could have gone either way; it is hardly a clear consensus regardless. --Jayron32 15:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • After further reflection, if the nom were re-opened, I would probably support a blurb after all per TRM. (WaltCip, logged out)--128.227.165.102 (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Am even more surprised that this was closed because of the large amount of discussion. Seems somehow counter-intuitive. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Tone: Could the closure can be reverted and to allow the blurb be posted? I would look past the clutter made by the same users refuting the death's significance. This man was an icon and was the leading figure of the industry. This is not just a "somebody" who passed away, this is a transformative figure who continued to work and influence others until age 85. The article was in terrible shape and as stated, greatly improved in quality. Nice4What (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not that it matters but i would also switch to supporting a blurb. I know nothing of fashion and care even less about it but, per TRM, if reliable sources make him out to be this huge figure in his field, then that is good enough for me to support a blurb. 91.97.252.62 (talk) 14:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. I had no dog in the fight, and RS consistently referred to him as a fashion "icon" or a fashion "legend". This, certainly where I'm from, equates to "transformative" in the field of fashion, precisely what would deserve a blurb. Still, Carrie Fisher eh? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Not too familiar with this field, but I would have leaned support for a blurb. The spike in views that the page is getting now suggests to me that he must have been pretty transformative. Besides, the blurbs haven't changed at all over the past several days... Ahiijny (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I did not Support before this nomination was closed (after 20 hours, 26 minutes). Having considered the arguments on both sides, I too would have supported a blurb, even without use of "the i word". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the recent shifts in consensus, I am posting this as a blurb. I know I participated in the discussion, but as my preference was to go the other way on this one, this should avoid any problems with involvement. My preference is clear, but I can also see where consensus is not with me on this. --Jayron32 15:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Post second closing comment (since that's what we do now). Wow, closed, more complaining, and blurbed. It pushed El Chapo out of the box, even though we have a dedicated space for obits. Oh well. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    "It pushed El Chapo out of the box" as if that wasn't inevitable? It's been a while since something was posted... and equating people changing their votes as "more complaining" isn't the right way to look at things. Nice4What (talk) 18:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb - This is clearly an iconic person within his field of work. I comment since I was not the one suggesting the blurb. BabbaQ (talk) 18:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Blurb has already been posted but I appreciate the support :) Nice4What (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Wallace Smith Broecker

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Article: Wallace Smith Broecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Scientist that coined the phrase "Global warming". Article is not fully soruced. Masem (t) 00:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: George Cawkwell

Article: George Cawkwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [40]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

DannyS712 (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"George Cawkwell Christ church" and "George Cawkwell Auckland" fared well for me. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The ref is fine.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SirEdimon: I disagree. The source in the nomination, despite leaning a bit primary, can at least be believed since it is from Cawkwell's university-college. A search of `"tickleme.info" -site:tickleme.info` doesn't lead me to anywhere mentioning it, and especially considering the .info TLD which I rarely tend to trust I very much doubt it's reliability. I've replaced the reference. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:46, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DatGuy You maybe right, but I think, taking out this specific ref will not damage the article. It can be replaced by a more reliable source.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All refs issues resolved. Article is fine for me.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Concerns solved. Ready.BabbaQ (talk) 12:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Wells (director)

Article: Peter Wells (director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [42]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

DannyS712 (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Article is almost completely unreferenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 20:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Now at Peter Wells (writer). Needs a bit more work. —Hugh (talk) 21:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Bibliography unreferenced.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Support now improvements to referencing have been done. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All refs issues resolved. Pawnkingthree, Hl (sorry for ping you, people) if you could give it a look.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've tidied it further and given the refs sensible names. I think it's ready to go. —Hugh (talk) 20:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) The Independent Group

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Article: The Independent Group (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In the United Kingdom, seven Labour MPs leave the party to form The Independent Group. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the United Kingdom, seven Labour MPs leave the party to form The Independent Group in protest against Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and failure to deal with antisemetism.
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Major split in Labour party. Accept that my alt blurb may be seen as non-neutral by some, so please state which blurb you prefer. Mjroots (talk) 12:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose internal politics. If it impacted Brexit then I’d reconsider otherwise it’s just a thing that affects a handful of people who didn’t see this coming. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as a parochial political in-fighting. A split in a party in the minority is unlikely to result in any substantive shift in government. Good faith nomination but a consesus to post is unlikely to form.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. This isn't really that significant yet, but it might become so if it attracts a significant number of MPs from across the house - expecially if it does so in a way that impacts Brexit - or it could fizzle out. If it is posted, the blurb should probably include "United Kingdom" in there somewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Blurbs reworked to include UK. Mjroots (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment th BBC report I read says they are describing themselves as not a party, are all those categories therefore incorrect? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Issues with the article should be directed to the article's talk page. The above does not impact on the nomination, which does not claim that they are a political party, but merely names the new group. Mjroots (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Um, see below! If people are mistakenly thinking something because the article is erroneous, and voting accordingly, it needs to be mentioned. It wouldn’t be right if people read the article and suddenly believed we have a new party in the UK when they themselves are saying we don’t, wouldn’t you agree? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is the first time a new party with multiple MPs has been formed since the 1980s and the reasons surrounding its formation are also noteworthy. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. If this proves significant in any fundamental way, then sure. But for now it's just a side show to the ongoing Brexit shenanigans. — Amakuru (talk) 13:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per TRM, Coffeecrumbs. Parochial political spat. Sca (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is quite domestic politics. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Most arguements above in agreement, but would also add that seven out of 248 (I believe) Labour MPs is a drop in the bucket. In contrast, as a hypothetical example, if 100 or more of those all dropped into a brand new party, that might be more significant. --Masem (t) 16:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is something which has been spoken about for months and has finally occured - agree that seven isn't a very significant number but is nonetheless a major story in UK politics. Successfulwd (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose At the moment, this split is insignificant. There is no evidence thus far that they intend to form a new party or even run in the next election, and seven party members is not sufficient to reach the level of significance. If further developments arise, such as more members joining them, and this group organizing to contest new elections, then perhaps significance may be reached at that time. But as of now, significance has not yet been reached. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC))[reply]
  • Wait. Let's give this a bit more time. I suppose this could make some outsized waves, but we would have to see. Article seems pretty good though. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 17:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Minor spat affecting a tiny minority within a minority party. British MPs resign the party whip or are suspended all the time (prior to today, there were already 5 independent former-Labour MPs who've resigned from the party plus one who's been expelled); all that's mildly unusual here is that seven of them have done so on the same day. ‑ Iridescent 17:47, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iridescent and the fact that Labour is not in a coalition or confidence and supply means this splinter will not affect the balance of power in this Parliament. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 18:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Paul Flynn (politician)

Article: Paul Flynn (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: UK MP for 31 years. Start class article with decent sourcing. DBigXray 10:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support it's a dreadfully constructed article but what's there is almost entirely cited. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't know that I would call it "dreadfully constructed" but the structure could be improved and there are a couple of sections boarding on proseline, but what's there is comprehensive and cited. Thryduulf (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with the sentiments above. This article could really benefit from exposure on the Main Page, leading to a proper copy edit by the masses. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Largely an unsung Labour stalwart. No one can deny his dedication in serving the people of Newport. Any ideas on improving the structure welcome. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedAmakuru (talk) 13:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ethel Ennis

Article:Ethel Ennis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s):Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Please, let us try as much as possible to feature women and people of color. This article needs work. Nominating now to solicit team work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 17:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I think I fixed all the refs issues. Please tell me if something else needs to be done.--SirEdimon (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good now, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 04:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Patrick Caddell

Article:Patrick Caddell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):NYT, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American political operative, best known for his work on Jimmy Carter's 1976 campaign, dies at 68. Davey2116 (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good enough for RD, although I dislike sections that consist entirely of a short sentence and lengthy quote. Thryduulf (talk) 13:07, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Ditto. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Bass (artist)

Article:Sam Bass (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s):[43]
Credits:

DannyS712 (talk) 09:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]


(Posted) RD: Ken Nordine

Article: Ken Nordine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WBEZ.org
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted voice over artist. Article appears to be in good shape with no contentious issues. yorkshiresky (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose The article is not in horrible shape, but there are a handful of spots that really need a cite. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose plenty of unreferenced items in there. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Moved the discography to a new page, which is where most of the unreferenced items are.yorkshiresky (talk) 10:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I agree with the decision to split the discography while leaving a selected short list. His list of credits is rather long. This is good to go. I wish we could get a voice sample though. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruno Ganz

Article:Bruno Ganz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s):BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Swiss actor. As usual, refs issue. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Significantly under referenced. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Will work on it, but too nice weather to do it now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I added refs, and commented out awards without one. Please look again. Obituaries in major English papers. We'd look silly not to mention him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Well referenced. @Gerda Arendt: take another look at the awards section. I think you broke your comments.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 17:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Internationally known for his performance in Downfall (Der Untergang). Sca (talk) 18:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sca, nobody here is interested in that. Only if it and everything else has a reference. Please add some, if you can, to the awards commented out, and to role descriptions added late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. One the greatest German-speaking actors of all times and the article is well referenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Well done to everybody who helped get the article up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Li Rui

Article: Li Rui (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I think Li died on February 16. The bot failed to archive and create new date section at midnight. The article is referenced and ready to post IMO. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 06:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Bot isn't working, I'll leave a note on the operator's talk page; moved from February 15 per nom --DannyS712 (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Good enough. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks good to go. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Small, but in good shape.--SirEdimon (talk) 20:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Dave Smith (archivist)

Article: Dave Smith (archivist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well sourced, start class article. DBigXray 04:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

plus Posted --Tone 10:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Lee Radziwill

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Article: Lee Radziwill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [44][45][46][47]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American socialite, sister of Jackie Kennedy Onassis. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2019 American State of Emergency

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Article: 2019 American Declaration of a State of Emergency (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: U.S. President Donald Trump declares a national emergency in the United States over the issue of the U.S.–Mexico border. (Post)
News source(s): [48]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Notable event that according to the New York Times will set a massive precedent on executive power, it has received widespread attention in popular culture and the press, and it will be notable in the long-run. It also fulfills Trump's signature campaign promise. ExclusiveWillows (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose First, article quality but that can be improved. But moreso this is 100% partisan politics, wholly expected (since its been rumbling for month+ on this) , and we know that this is not like declaring martial law or to respond to disasters but simply a way to access gov't coffers. --Masem (t) 21:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article as it stands now is entirely slanted towards a point of view opposing the National Emergency and is not objective at all. The nominator has attempted to revert even minor revisions to the article that attempt to correct this issue.XavierGreen (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Something like the 100th SOE Trump has announced out of similar partisan battles. And it seems to have already left the news. Kingsif (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – The DTs yet again. Sca (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but support on significance. This is most certainly in the news, whether anyone likes it or not, and it's a totally bogus state of emergency in a country with incredible influence over international affairs. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on all counts. The ginger whinger has tried some trump card for Mexican takeout? WHAT? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. ExclusiveWillows, let's bang this thing out before we renominate. We have to make quite a few improvements before we renominate. I have a something in my sandbox for when we get this done. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 00:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Why haven't we put all of the other national states of emergency on the front page of Wikipedia when they have occurred? I agree that this should be in the Current Events section (as it already is), but this should not be ITN (if I have my acronyms right). -TenorTwelve (talk) 00:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Andrea Levy

Article: Andrea Levy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One for Black History Month, please Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support looks just about good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support; "weak" because born in London to Jamaican parents who sailed to England on the Empire Windrush in 1948 sounds dubious (I can't find any source that her mother sailed on the Windrush in 1948, and it's certainly not cited), and if even the first sentence contains an error it throws the accuracy of the rest of the article into question. ‑ Iridescent 12:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From The Guardian obituary - "Levy was born in London in 1956 to parents who were part of the boom in immigration that shaped postwar Britain, her father arriving in the UK on the Empire Windrush in 1948 and her mother following shortly afterwards." I've removed the date, if somebody insists on a time period, "post-war" could be used. Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 12:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So that's a source for her father; where's any indication that her mother sailed on the Windrush? It's not as if there was only one passenger ship sailing the transatlantic route in the 1940s. ‑ Iridescent 12:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't say that (at least in the current version). I note an IP tried to fix this but was reverted. Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 12:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333: she came on a banana boat. I've added the source. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:04, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too many quotes. What we have here is not a biography which is what is supposed to be. It is simply a collection of quotes from reviews. The article is unsatisfactory in general.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not in a position to improve the article much until this evening, though I will say it is in much better shape than many RD nominations I have seen, which require extensive work before they're ready. Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 12:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW:, @Megalibrarygirl:, @Rosiestep: - can you help with this? Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 12:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Great work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help too. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - good enough.BabbaQ (talk) 13:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the awards section is completely uncited, and I'm not certain the sole citation in the second paragraph of the "Work" section supports all the information there (and if it does it will need to be checked to make sure we're not relying too heavily on a single source). Thryduulf (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Her awards looked like they were cited in the preceding sections. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Support my concerns have all been addressed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I do not know if I can support as a contributor to improving the citations and text, but I believe we have now addressed the concerns previously expressed and think that it should move forward. SusunW (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've given the three of us who have worked on the article to address the above issues credit. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Pulwama attack

Article:2019 Pulwama attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:38 security personnel were killed in an attack near Pulwama, Kashmir. (Post)
Alternative blurb:38 security personnel were killed in a suicide bombing attack near Pulwama in Kashmir.
Alternative blurb II:Two separate bombings in Khash, Zahedan and Pulwama, Kashmir left 27 Revolutionary Guards and 38 security personnel killed, respectively.
News source(s):The Times of India, AP, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest terror attack in India in last few years. Better blurb is welcome. Nizil (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Suggest changing the blurb to:
Around 40 security personnel were killed in a suicide bombing attack near Pulwama in Kashmir.
-- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3:, Death toll varies from 36 to 44 in different sources so I had written the lowest. The numbers can be updated as exact numbers are known. I think the article should be linked differently in your blurb. I have posted altblurb. -Nizil (talk) 10:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is why it is better to use a round number. I can live with linking the article to the "suicide bombing attack" key phrase. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Updated number to 38 as per list released.-Nizil (talk) 11:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - long enough and good coverage. Also recommend at minimum autoconfirm protection, ASAP. Juxlos (talk) 10:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is in the news. Will have long lasting impact on relation between India and Pakistan Sherenk1 (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Now death toll rises to 44, please consider it too.-- Prongs31 11:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Also major news in the UK. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the number killed is a bit of a mess within the article, various points claim various numbers, starting with 49 and ending with 38. And since we don't start sentences with numbers, it would probably be ideal to start with "At least 38 people..." just to cover both scenarios. The rest of the article is satisfactory for main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – AP says 41. BBC 46. (Added above as sources). Blurbs should be in present tense. Sca (talk) 13:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is one of the deadliest attacks since Kashmir insurgency began and is also receiving massive media coverage. As far as death toll is concerned, I'd say that the blurb should be updated to 49 deaths. Amir (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A major attack which will have profound effect in the domestic affairs of India, and the overall diplomatic and security situation in South Asia. Bharatiya29 14:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plusPosted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @MSGJ:, Someone changed Kashmir to India-controlled Kashmir. Kashmir is a disputed region so better use word India-administered Kashmir or neutral Kashmir as proposed in the original blurb. Controlled implies forceful occupation.-Nizil (talk) 02:42, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I have moved your comment to WP:ERRORS — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As I suggested new blurb above, it is sufficient to merge two suicide bombing attack , 2019 Pulwama attack and 2019 Khash-Zahedan suicide bombing.Saff V. (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, not a good idea. I do not see a clear connection between the perpertrators. These should be separate line items as they occurred in two separate non-bordering nations. It appears to be mere coincidense that the two events are similar and occurred within days of each other. They are both ITN-worthy events in their own right.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Jammu & Kashmir is not Indian-administered". Jammu and Kashmir is the state of India. Kindly check the sources. Unless and until, it's not verified or disputable or debatable, it's not proper on Wikipedia. It doesn't have verified the source.

Here it is Hindustan Times-Pressure mounts on UK to retract ‘India-administered Kashmir’ remark Times of India - Indians protest British foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt's "India-Administered Kashmir" phraseShwetamits (talk) 10:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Airbus A380 cancellation

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Article:Airbus A380 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Airbus announces the cancellation of production of the Airbus A380 airliner starting from 2021. (Post)
News source(s):Airbus, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: While seemingly a marketing decision, this marks an era in the aviation history. Article updated. Brandmeistertalk 09:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm not sure it really does "mark an era", after all there will still be plenty of A380s flying around. If this was about the last one being retired, I think it would mark the end of an era, but just announcing that they'll stop making it in two years time is not really anything to write home about. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I mean that after 2021 there will be no more new A380 which is a short and rather unexpected production span (merely 16 years) compared to many (if not most) other airliners. Boeing 747, for example, is still in production, since 1968. Airbus A320 is being produced since 1986. Brandmeistertalk 11:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, that's really not that remarkable. The 717 was only in production for eight years, the 707 for 22 years, the A310 for 15 years etc. This isn't special. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • Except that they weren't as large as A380, of course. Brandmeistertalk 12:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • I really fail to see how that makes this anything more than a piece of random trivia, better suited to another section of the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't be so quick to deep-six this. If we were rolling out a new highest-capacity plane, even by a negligible margin, that would warrant posting (IMO). Here we have a rollback in the highest capacity plane in production from 850 to 650. Why? Is is just not needed? Then why was it ever built? There seems to be a story there worth telling, and the article does a fine job of it. ghost 13:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Things moved on. No big deal. Certainly nowhere near ITN significance. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    You already cast your vote and made your rationale known. You present no additional arguments here. There's no need to reply to every comment by every other editor. ghost 14:19, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I answered your questions. If you don't want to have questions answered, don't ask them. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Perhaps significant for (some of) the countries in which Airbus planes are manufactured/assembled, but not for the big aviation picture. Jumbojets will be around for a long time. Sca (talk) 13:50, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not seeing the significance here for an event that is still two years away. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Even if it was the stoppage of A380s today, the end of production of a product like a plane really means little. It would be different if Airbus was going out of business and producing its last plane (an event equivalent to Ford producing its last vehicle), but Airbus will exist after stoppage of the A380. --Masem (t) 15:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 13

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  • Exploration of Mars
    • The mission of NASA's Opportunity rover on Mars comes to an end. The rover stopped communicating in June 2018 after a Martian dust storm, and attempts to reestablish communications have not been successful. (NASA)

(Closed) 2019 Khash-Zahedan suicide bombing

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Article:2019 Khash–Zahedan suicide bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:27 Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps were killed in a suicide bombing on the KhashZahedan road in Sistan and Baluchestan Province (Post)
News source(s):NYT, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I am going to improve and edit the article Saff V. (talk) 07:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article may have POV and neutrality issues. Maybe all it needs is a copy edit. It reads as confusing and garbled to me. However, it does appear to have good sourcing.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article has improved since I reviewed it a few days ago. The news is significant. Iran has largely remained unscathed while it's proxy states have suffered major losses. An attack on Iranian soil leading to the deaths of so many Revolutionary Guards is significant news. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Hans Stadlmair

Article: Hans Stadlmair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: conductor and composer, MKO for almost four decades, 6000 concerts --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Well referenced. One award is not referenced, but I suppose it's easy to fix.--SirEdimon (talk) 05:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The award is referenced now, and I'll look for more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Sufficient detail and referencing. Good to go. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:10, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support sufficient quality, its ready for the main page --DannyS712 (talk) 10:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eric Harrison (footballer)

Article: Eric Harrison (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Footballer and coach responsible for Fergie's Fledglings. I have expanded and formatted the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:56, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bibi Ferreira

Article: Bibi Ferreira (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Working. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I didn't nominate this one because it's still a stub and my Portuguese no es bueno. (I know that's Spanish.) – Muboshgu (talk) 04:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I was about to nominate it, but I was without time to work on the article and I thought it would be better to improve the article before nominating it.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support lead could use a little expansion, but the article, while short, is satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the lead slightly to give the scope of her career. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article could be expanded but the article, despite being short, is well referenced and Ferreira was one the greatest actresses in the history of Brazilian theater.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) End of NASA Opportunity rover mission

Article:Opportunity (rover) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:NASA concludes the fourteen-year Opportunity Mars rover mission after being unable to wake the rover from hibernation initiated by a June 2018 duststorm. (Post)
News source(s):The Verge, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: NASA is set to give a press conference in about 3hr here to formally state they ended the progrm, but NASA is no longer actively seeking to wake the rover. I note that this is NOT an ITNR, but the lifetime of the rover is a significant human achievement. (If we are worried about a blurb, this may be a rare case of calling it an RD, but I don't think that would be easy to persaude). Unfortunately, due to how we have a summary-style approach to the Opportunity article with several sub-articles, there's some sourcing problems on the main article. Masem (t) 16:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait until after the press conference is held making the official announcement, and oppose unless and until that information is properly added to the article; when those conditions are met, I would be fine with posting the article on the main page. It's in good shape. --Jayron32 16:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the other way round to Jayron, but the same, we can't post something that hasn't happened, but once it has happened, we can post it assuming someone makes a lot of changes to the article, tenses, updates etc. Premature nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Support a seminal rover, and an updated article. Job done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Officially declared dead. Will be updating in moments here. --Masem (t) 19:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Good work. I wonder if there's any mileage in looking at ITNR for an additional entry on space entities which have passed their sell-by date. Or perhaps they just speak for themselves. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    This is unique, I feel, due to the fact NASA pulled 55x more mission time out of this than planned. If it died after 4 months after a 3 month-expected start, ehhhhh. I think this a "best judgement" case here, on merits alone. --Masem (t) 19:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. NASA has released a statement that they are officially considering the rover to be dead and detailed all the efforts the agency went through to reestablish contact with it since it entered protective hibernation on June 12, 2018. Sir Trenzalore (talk) 21:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 22:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Off-topic --LaserLegs (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose -- for giving undue weight to bad news on the Main Page. This department should report more good news, for a fair representation of what is going on in the world. The news on WP's Main Page is heavily skewed towards certain subjects, especially reports of disasters and other bad news. The Transhumanist 00:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I refer you to the words of Maggie Smith:

...The world is at least
fifty percent terrible, and that’s a conservative
estimate, though I keep this from my children.
For every bird there is a stone thrown at a bird.
For every loved child, a child broken, bagged,
sunk in a lake. Life is short and the world
is at least half terrible, and for every kind
stranger, there is one who would break you...

Two of the four items on ITN now are good news. I would even argue this is positive news; the conclusion of a highly-successful mission.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This. I consider that while its a shame we could get another 14 yrs out of it, we did get 50 times more out of what was planned due to some human ingenuity. --Masem (t) 03:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Transhumanist We can only consider what is nominated, and we have no control over the goings on in the world. If you would like to see more 'good' stories, I invite you to nominate them. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Transhumanist comment was meant for the Haiti story. There is a duplicate comment there from an IP minutes earlier. ghost 13:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will note that, regardless of which story Transhumanist was talking about, I have seen zero articles he improved and nominated in the past 2-3 days to fix the perceived problem he has. It's one thing to note the existence of a problem. It's quite another to note the existence of a problem, and then demand that other people, who have no more authority than you do, fix that problem. If Transhumanist had really wanted the problem fixed, he would have actually fixed it. --Jayron32 13:27, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to ongoing) Haitian protests

Article:2019 Haitian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s):Al Jazeera, BBC, Deutsche Welle, The Miami Herald
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Seven consecutive days of ongoing protests occurring in Haiti with thousands of demonstrators and calls for a transitional government. At least four dead and dozens injured. --ZiaLater (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait this may have been already ongoing for seven days but it's just really hitting significant news coverage now. The article doesn't really articulate a week's worth of serious activity either. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- for giving undue weight to bad news on the Main Page. This department should report more good news, for a fair representation of what is going on in the world. The news on WP's Main Page is heavily skewed towards certain subjects, especially reports of disasters and other bad news. 2600:1:9810:BFFE:614E:1B8B:67B1:AE75 (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Struck invalid comment. Please bring general concerns like this to WT:ITN instead of disrupting this page — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:33, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article isn't in bad shape - could be better but not bad - and it's quite reflective of Venezuela right now, if with a decade's less warning. It can definitely sit in Ongoing. Unfortunately, not many good news story are ongoing, it's mostly protests, odd politics, and international sports (1 bad, 2 neutral). Kingsif (talk) 02:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant news, sufficient article. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support News coverage has now increased to a level sufficient for ITN. The article is well referenced.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) North Macedonia

Article:North Macedonia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:The Prespa Agreement comes into force, ending a 27-year naming dispute with the Republic of Macedonia renaming itself the Republic of North Macedonia (Post)
Alternative blurb:The Republic of Macedonia changes its name to North Macedonia, ending a 27-year naming dispute after the Prespa Agreement comes into effect as Macedonia begins the process for its accession into NATO.
Alternative blurb II:The Republic of Macedonia changes its name to the Republic of North Macedonia as the Prespa Agreement comes into effect ending a 27-year naming dispute.
News source(s):RadioFreeEurope, Washington Post, The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This has been nominated many times before and delayed, but Greece has finally ratified the NATO accession protocol. The agreement is therefore in effect, with a deadline of 15 February for all name changes to be implemented. The only other delay I can see will be waiting for North Macedonia to notify the United Nations of the official name change, but that will be in the coming days.
UPDATE: Country is officially renamed North Macedonia as of 12 February (see new sources added). Nice4What (talk) 04:10, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Time to post.BabbaQ (talk) 12:39, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see the necessary updates yet. --Tone 14:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not trying to stall this clearly-going-to-be-ITN story, but from the above article "With Greece's ratification of the NATO accord, the former Yugoslav republic will now write to the United Nations, its member states, and international organizations, formally announcing the name change. A government spokesman told the AP this would happen "in coming days."" It sounds like that letter will be the point of official change? I don't know, the situation seems to change a new bit of this story comes up. --Masem (t) 18:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Macedonia's accession into NATO, which per sources was the final obstacle preventing the Republic from using the name, was a success. If I'm not mistaken we posted Montenegro's accession into NATO as a standalone story, but I'd recommend an altblurb that adds Macedonia's accession as a footnote. It's not easy to make it succinct, but it is noteworthy enough to put it somewhere in the blurb. I do agree with Masem that we should probably watch for developments over the next few days, but that shouldn't be an issue large enough for the nomination to go stale. If the UN adoption of the name is the real point of official change, we can modify the blurbs to mention that if necessary. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit confused as to the whole mess. I'm reading this BBC article (from last week) [49] that says that NATO accession is not yet there (but virtually guaranteed), but Greece being the first to ratify it validates the naming of North Macedonia? It's also odd that no big sources are covering this above event; they've got coverage from last week. You would think this is 100% the type of story BBC and NYtimes would be covering today if today was the milestone we've been waiting on. Also wholly separate but to help guide, there's an RFC [50] and a move request [51] related to the naming. Going by the move request, it sounds like the official date the name change takes effect is Feb 15 (this Friday), but I can't easily find a place to confirm that. AGain, this entire situation is clearly ITN, and I have little doubt anything will change the trajectory of this. But that said, given that we appear to be waiting on the name change (potentially), our ITN should align with that. --Masem (t) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm honestly about as confused as you are, but to the best of my knowledge, the guarantee of their accession into NATO was what they were waiting for before adopting the name change. I will clarify that my support !vote does not mean that I think we need to post it now, but I didn't vote !wait because I don't expect the nomination to go stale before we post it. I'm going off of the previous ITN nomination which I voted !wait on as it cited a BBC article which, if I'm not mistaken, said that Macedonia won't start using the name North Macedonia until their accession into NATO. Now that there's no obstacles to their accession, what I've read up to this point leads me to believe there's also no obstacles to their name change. That being said, I'm more than happy to wait a few days for further clarification. I don't expect that we post this today, tomorrow, or the day after that, but I do think that - unlike all the prior attempts at posting this - we won't need to close the nomination. If it is confirmed on February 15th, we can post it then. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 00:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT I don't know who added the alt blurb, but North Macedonia didn't enter NATO, Greece has just signed the NATO accession protocol. The other 28 member states have to do the same. Nice4What (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are correct; for all intents and purposes, the blurb is to be regarded as being in the future (for now). Both the part where Macedonia changes their name to North Macedonia & the part where Macedonia joins NATO are technically still (near) future events. The latter paved the way for the former, which should be happening in less than a week. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 06:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until Friday. Both the name change and ascension to NATO are significant, but given timing and confluence, we should just post together. ghost 13:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Meh. Sca (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Man, people are just itchy to get this posted; so far every nomination has been an incremental step along the way towards the name change. If anything, these repeated nominations are just going to annoy people into voting against it when the time does come. Our current article even says "it is scheduled to be renamed to North Macedonia." Let's wait until the new letterhead is printed up and it's all done before we post this? --Jayron32 14:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENTS - North Macedonia did not enter NATO, the process has not even began yet. Also, Should this wait until the page has been moved to North Macedonia and all relevant changes done? --Michail (blah) 00:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reposted discussion since official reports indicate the name change has officially occurred, so there may be no need to wait anymore (in regards to the original blurb, the Alt Blurb about NATO won't happen for another year...) Nice4What (talk) 03:43, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now From the move discussion, this official document appears to confirm the name change as official as 12 Feb. --Masem (t) 04:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose – We cannot post until the page is moved. Otherwise, we would be sabotaging the move discussion. We would need an admin to speedy close the discussion before hand. ITN cannot blurb a name change until the name of the subject article is also renamed. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment The current state of the relevant RFC to move the page seems to have very overwhelming support, (near unanimous !votes for moving it, and all !votes since the official adoption were fully unanimous in their support) so I think it would be appropriate for an administrator to close it per SNOW. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 05:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment & Support MSGJ has renamed the country's article to North Macedonia (which probably says a lot about his/her political biases, seeing how it took half a year after the official renaming for the WP:Commonname to be satisfied in the case of Swaziland/eSwatini), so I think we're ready to go and post this. Finally. Openlydialectic (talk) 09:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 09:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is in the news now as an official complete event. The article has been moved. The time for posting is now. The posting admin can figure out the exactities of the blurb. LukeSurl t c 10:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I stroke alt 1 as premature and suggested a new blurb. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plusPosted --Tone 10:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tone: I didn't want to rush to ERRORS before asking - why is "Prespa Agreement" capitalized? The article is named "Prespa agreement". --DannyS712 (talk) 10:51, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I've seen both in RS. Given the brevity required of the MP, "A" seems more natural. ghost 12:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Pedro Morales

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Article:Pedro Morales (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):ESPN, CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
LM2000 (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose– I generally trust the sections cited to an offline source as generously contributed by an IP in 2012 (diff). Those sections have remained largely untouched. However, since then 3 additionals sections have been added: Early life, Legacy and Personal life. These new sections are generally constructive and sourced to online sources. However, a spot check of several of these sections reveals that our article drifts away from what the sources say. For example, in the Early life section, a sentence reads: "In New York he also became a professional wrestling fan, witnessing Miguel Pérez, Sr.'s run as one half of the only undefeated NWA Capitol (WWWF's predecessor) World Tag Team Champions along Antonino Rocca." However, the source only says "he became a wrestling fan following the tag team of Antonino Rocca & Miguel Perez." I will change my !vote to support once we go over these three sections for verification and cite any other stray uncited claims. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The results of his matches in the article, which are what is being sourced with the offline reference, are congruent with our online sources as far as I can tell. Being a wrestler from the pre-internet era, that is as good as we can get since WWE only lists a select few. And, in any case, what makes him notable is easily sourced. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in regards to Rocca/Pérez, that bit of trivia is not false. Their titles were replaced and they did not lose them. It's superfluous to Morales, but not something that would make the content unreliable. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 07:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have finished verifying the Early life section. But there are more issues possibly in the Legacy section and definitely in the Personal life section. It says "Morales married his wife Karen in 1966." The source gives no date. Our articles says his son was born in 1974. But we can not be sure from the same source whether he was born in 1973 or 74. These are uncited claims and original synthesis not contained in the sources. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose looks like there needs to be serious evaluation of the article versus verifiable reliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 12

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(Closed) RD: Lyndon LaRouche

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Article: Lyndon LaRouche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Subject was a famous fringe political personality and perennial American (Democrat) presidential candidate. Article needs a short section on his personal life and death but is otherwise both lengthy and decently referenced. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) El Chapo

Articles:United States of America v. Joaquín Guzmán Loera (talk · history · tag) and Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all criminal counts and scheduled for life imprisonment. (Post)
Alternative blurb:Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all ten criminal counts, including one mandating life imprisonment.
Alternative blurb II:Former Sinaloa Cartel leader Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all criminal counts in the United States, including running a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, which carries a mandatory life sentence.
Alternative blurb III:Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of 10 criminal charges, one mandating life imprisonment.
News source(s):CNN, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Biggest drug lord ever convicted. Found guilty today of all counts and is scheduled for life imprisonment. Article is updated with what we have so far in the news. MX () 17:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MX, what do you mean "scheduled" for life imprisonment? Is there any other potential sentencing outcome? Don't we usually post sentencing rather than convictions? The article's lead is insufficient in describing the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is clearly an ITN-appropriate story, but I will point out that no sentence has been handed down yet. --Masem (t) 17:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His first count, Continuing Criminal Enterprise, already holds a mandatory life imprisonment without parole. He was found guilty of all charges. Sentence is scheduled for June but IMO this is more newsworthy since we already know how June will play out. MX () 17:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough on that point. Added an altblurb so we know that minimum he will get is life (barring a plea bargain) --Masem (t) 18:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's in the news now, and the article is of sufficient quality with an update. If it's a mandatory minimum life sentence, I think we know enough to not wait for sentencing. The conviction is the bigger deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2. I tweaked the phrasing for clarity. --Jayron32 19:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As noted above, "it's in the news now", and June will be a non-story (a confirmation and little more). Can I suggest a blurb (which ever is eventually gone with) that is phrased "all criminal charges" not "all ten", as the latter suggests the reader is already cognisant of those charges. And it might avoid an appearance at WP:ERRORS. Or even WP:ERRORS2 :) ——SerialNumber54129 19:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the reason to say "all ten" because it tells the reader a rough idea of the scope of the trial. "All charges" could mean as few as ~3, as many as.. well, there's no reasonable limit if they included manslaught-type charges. -Masem (t) 23:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Historic. Significant.BabbaQ (talk) 21:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per others. Appropriate. Spengouli (talk) 21:54, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt3 (Succinct.) – Yup, off to the slammer. (Three more sources.) Sca (talk) 22:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support its ITN now, sources and quality good, marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – good news. The Transhumanist 00:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Not for El Chapo — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gordon Banks

Article: Gordon Banks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: England's 1966 world cup goal keeper. This is a good article, update needed - Dumelow (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support could use more on the circumstances of his death and the reactions to it, but article is in very good nick. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Well-referenced article, currently a GA. Death section can be expanded as more details are known. MX () 15:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think this was ready, I see five “citation needed” tags. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very surprised those "slipped through the net", as it were. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]
@Martinevans123: Can't be Pele's edits then huh :) ——SerialNumber54129 19:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]
But great to see Bruce Rambolaar, diving across to the article's far post there, to save the day. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]

February 11

Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
  • Mars One, a private Dutch organization that had claimed it would send humans on a one-way trip to Mars starting in 2024, releases a statement saying it has been declared bankrupt. (CBC)
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime

(Posted) RD: Ricardo Boechat

Article: Ricardo Boechat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most important Brazilian journalists. Article is short, but well referenced. He died on monday, but just now I had the chance to nominate it. --SirEdimon (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Allan Wild

Article: Allan Wild (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealand architect and academic. Article is short but looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 13:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Joe Schlesinger

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Article: Joe Schlesinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/schlesinger-obit-cbc-new-1.5014534
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sibghatullah Mojaddedi

Article: Sibghatullah Mojaddedi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well-sourced. EternalNomad (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He died on the 9th and news came out on the 9th. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So you'll be updating the article then? Stephen 23:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I completely read this wrong. The page diddoes not contain a proper update at all. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 21 Savage

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Article: 21 Savage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: 21 Savage is facing deportation for being in the United States illegally and being a United Kingdom national. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: This has been going on for the past week or so but is still ongoing with frequent updates. Ed. Jishnu (t)Ed. Jishnu (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Masem Did you link the wrong article? The comment doesn't really fit. Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On second glance, this seems to be a copypasted nomination. Apologies for the mention. Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, @Ed. Jishnu: there is a nomination here for the 61st Grammys. Is that what you meant? Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DatGuy: No, I meant 21 Savage's deportation. I was just using Masem's post for a template on how to make a nomination for the news, sorry.Ed. Jishnu (talk) 19:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There should be two expandable boxes on the header of the edit page of *this* page for the basic template format. TRying to copy and paste existing ones can get into problems. --Masem (t) 19:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose people overstay their valid visa duration all the time. This is no different. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – On lack of significance. (Also, the somewhat hagiographic article contains 11 paragraphs that begin with, "On such-and-such a date," etc.)Sca (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 10

Law and crime
Politics and elections
Sports

(Posted) RD: Maximilian Reinelt

Article:Maximilian Reinelt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Die Welt, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short article, but covers all the information online about him Joseph2302 (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 61st Grammys

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Article: 61st Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At the Grammys, Childish Gambino's "This Is America" wins Record and Song of the Year, while Kacey Musgraves' Golden Hour wins Album of the Year. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article is not ready, needs more details on the award/nomination selection process and the ceremony, it is not ready to go. (However, past years we have had a failure of a proper update, not necessarily expecting one here) We normally only do Record and Album of the year, but with This Is America winning both Record and Song, might as well include both Masem (t) 05:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose pretty far from ready! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • This would be at least the fourth year in a row that the Grammys were not improved enough to be posted, which to me means we may have to consider ITNR (not preventing future Grammys but they would be more carefully vetted first). --Masem (t) 19:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Walter B. Jones Jr.

Article: Walter B. Jones Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sitting US congressman dies in office. Article is in decent shape. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 72nd British Academy Film Awards

Article:72nd British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:At the 72nd British Academy Film Awards, Roma wins four awards, including Best Film. (Post)
Alternative blurb:Roma wins four awards, including Best Film, at the 72nd British Academy Film Awards.
Alternative blurb II:At the 72nd British Academy Film Awards, Roma wins Best Film and 3 other awards, and The Favourite wins 7 awards.
News source(s):The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

JuneGloom07 Talk 21:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose All the tables lack references. We need some more prose in the "Winners and nominees" section to summarize some major points contained in the tables like the very fact pointed out in the blurb. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:00, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To add to the above, there should be some details about the ceremony, even if the BAFTA lack the glitz and glam of the Oscars. --Masem (t) 00:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Added altblurb2 mentioning The Favourite 's 7 awards (only Roma 's Best Film award is ITNR, but mentioning the 7 awards gives a more accurate summary of what happened). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment re italics: In blurb and altblurbs movie names Roma and The Favourite should be in italics (per MOS), but for some reason the non-italic fields appear in italics and vice versa in the blurbs (but not once the blurb gets posted). I've 'fixed' this for the movie names in altblurb2 (which I created) so ironically they currently appear in non-italics (but I've left the blurb and altblurb1 'unfixed' just in case it's somehow deemed inappropriate for me to add such a strange 'fix' to somebody else's blurb/altblurb). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Blurbs are displayed in italics, so titles that then further italicized "flip" back to normal. This is fine, as admins posting these blurbs will copy the wikicode from the blurb to use. So you shouldn't actually try to fix this, it is just a net result of the nom template. --Masem (t) 05:44, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Added ref for all the winners/nominees and added a blurb for the ceremony. yorkshiresky (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support at last some prose about the event itself. It's terribly formatted but its presence may just about be enough to push this onto the main page, and meanwhile, the Grammys article languishes in abject mediocrity. Good work United Kingdom! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 9

Disasters and accidents
Politics and elections
Sports

(Closed) RD: Huang Erh-hsuan

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Article: Huang Erh-hsuan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [52]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Mick Kennedy

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Article: Mick Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [53]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Katharina Lindner

Article:Katharina Lindner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s):[54]
Credits:

DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, tag! Sorry, can you take a second look. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ron W. Miller

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Article: Ron W. Miller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [55]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Patricia Nell Warren

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Article: Patricia Nell Warren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [56]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Tomi Ungerer

Article: Tomi Ungerer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: iconic illustrator, for children and adults - there could be much more, including a load of awards - see de - but better short than ignore. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Article seems well referenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Fernando Clavijo

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Article:Fernando Clavijo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):USSF, MLS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: FIFA World Cup veteran. Part of the squad who represented US at home at the 1994 World Cup. Member of the National Soccer Hall of Fame . Former coach and technical director. The article has ref issues and I intend to fix it as soon as I have some time. --SirEdimon (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't seem to find many sources for MISL statistics, etc. I wonder where they were found in the first place. Dat GuyTalkContribs 22:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose serious referencing problems. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think I fixed the referencing problems. If there any others refs missing please tell me and I'll do my best to fix it.--SirEdimon (talk) 06:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Cadet (rapper)

Article:Cadet (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s):BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Stub, needs expansion and tidying up. (Post-nom note: has been expanded, and referenced, quite impressive actually). The Rambling Man (talk) 16:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment the discography section needs referencing - I'm take a look for sources for that shortly. Other than that it looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 17:23, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed already. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: Actually it seems the source you added was removed by Lopifalko with the bizarre edit summary "No source needed". Not knowing this I added a different source, so the section is cited again. Anyway Support. Thryduulf (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Why is "No source needed" bizarre? I am under the impression that discographies do not need sources, but I have never seen policy on that, just not aware of having ever seen a discography section sourced. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Definitely bizarre. Have you ever looked at any discography FLs? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Not only that, isn't it odd to remove reliable sources citing facts in any case? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:48, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Could someone check this properly please; the full name was cited to Instagram and the place of death is currently given as Crewe, Cheshire when actually it looks more likely to be Betley, Staffordshire. Espresso Addict(talk) 21:10, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Location of death appears to have been fixed some time ago. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Full name is referenced to the BBC. Who knows where they got it from.... Instagram probably. Any other issues? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed both of these; I do happen to have expertise on where Betley is; I don't have expertise to check the remainder. In case it is unclear to the posting admin, I object to posting until someone with that expertise checks it thoroughly. Espresso Addict(talk) 22:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone doubted you knew where Betley is, never up for debate. But what a curious position, you object wholesale until an "expert" checks it? How many other RDs have you made such a request? Is that now a thing, to request "expertise" to check the bio of a dead rapper? A Nobel laureate? A ex-professional footballer? Either the sources are RS and verify the content, or they're not or they don't. It doesn't need "expertise" to check this, anyone can do it. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:56, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Well, I doubt it's necessary to be an expert on the subject to know where a village is located, but the article seems fine and referenced well enough. Dat GuyTalkContribs 22:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, well-sourced. Unfortunate that GRM Daily is still a red link. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:42, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not sure that the comments of Espresso Addict seemed resolved, where was the rush to post here? The Rambling Man (talk) 23:46, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've removed one obvious BLP violation. Much of the career still appears sourced to primary sources such as Youtube videos. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Referencing wholly inadequate for a BLP. Relies almost entirely in certain sections to primary sources. Primary sources should be used sparingly. I encourage the posting admin to reconsider their review process and self-correct. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:35, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I've pulled this one for now, seems I jumped the gun. Please let me know if/when issues are resolved and I will repost. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sources include Instagram and Youtube and this needs to be fixed before it is posted. Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are still three YouTube videos which are regarded as WP:PRIMARY, although the one of "Behind Barz" as a source for his faith being Islam could be removed as there are two others. I'm not sure why the other two can't be used as evidence of the song's existence, but I'm unable to find any alternative sources yet for the "2.8 million views" and "2.1 million views" respectively. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. We have made significant progress enough to post. The remaining are acceptable uses of primary sources. I change my !vote to Support --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, in the absence of any fresh objections, I've changed this to "Attention needed". The YouTube view counts could be commented out if they are seen as a real problem. Personally I don't see the issue. No-one ever verifies these figures, but they seem notable. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Reposted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 8

Disasters and accidents
Law and crime
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(Closed) RD: Walter Munk

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Article: Walter Munk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [57]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
DannyS712 (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Albert Finney

Article: Albert Finney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs plenty of work The Rambling Man (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now per nom. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose big gaps in referencing. --Jayron32 18:39, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I believe I fixed all the referencing issues. Hard work, but Finney deserves it. If any refs issue still persist I'm willing to fix, Finney was a great actor, I'm a huge fan and I think he deserves the Main Page.--SirEdimon (talk) 03:53, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely fixed referencing. Not essential to posting as RD, but you have duplication sections related to awards and honors. One should be a high level prose summary, though and nix all the nominations (the table supports that). --Masem (t) 04:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. On a quick glance, I think this still needs a bit of work. The career section is a little chaotic and suffers short paragraph syndrome. The duplicate awards summary (the one in prose) is far too long given that the table exists; it should just be a high-level summary. I've tagged a missing source for his 3rd wife, who doesn't appear to be mentioned in the main text. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I included the source for his 3rd wife and his son. Actually, I didn't do much work on the article's structure and writing. I most included missing refs as in my understanding that's more important for a RD as BLP violation is a serious issue.--SirEdimon (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if I could support my own nom, I would do so now, weakly. Fantastic work on referencing, just a few gaps, but orders of magnitude better than when I nominated it, so thanks and well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. One of the most well-sourced articles I have seen here. Don't think the duplication is a big problem and could be fixed in slower time if necessary. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 09:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Nelson fires

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Article: 2019 Nelson fires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Over 3000 residents of Wakefield, New Zealand, were evacuated as wildfires spread across the Nelson area. (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
Credits:

Article needs updating
Sheldybett (talk) 05:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Good faith, but this nom is far too early, both in terms of impact and article quality. ghost 12:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per GCG, however in case this changes I have fixed the blurb to make it clear this is in NZ, there is a well-known city of Wakefield in the UK too. Black Kite (talk) 12:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local event and article is not substantial enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article consists of a single 3-sentence paragraph. There's no way we should link that from the main page. If and when the article has been expanded to a reasonable level of comprehensiveness, ping me and I will reassess it. --Jayron32 18:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides

Article:2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders, making him the deadliest known serial killer in Toronto and the oldest known sexually motivated serial killer. (Post)
Alternative blurb:Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders in Toronto, making him the oldest known sexually motivated serial killer.
Alternative blurb II:Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders, making him the deadliest known serial killer in Toronto.
Alternative blurb III:Bruce McArthur pleads guilty for eight serial killings in Toronto and is sentenced to life in prison.
News source(s): Deadliest in Toronto: Gillies, Rob (1 February 2018). "Suspected Serial Killer and Mall Santa Looked 'So Normal and Business-Like,' Clients Say". Time Magazine. Associated Press. Archived from the original on 2018-02-04. Retrieved 2 February 2018., oldest Canadian serial killer & oldest sexually motivated serial killer: Kennedy, Brendan (29 January 2019). "McArthur is the oldest confirmed serial killer in Canadian history. His age may have helped him hide 'in plain sight'". The Toronto Star. Toronto: Toronto Star Newspapers Limited. Retrieved 6 February 2019.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link), sentenced Feb 8, 2019: "Serial killer Bruce McArthur will have a chance of parole in 25 years, when he's 91, judge rules". CBC News. Toronto: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. 8 February 2019. Retrieved 8 February 2019.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sentenced today (Feb 8), substantial updates since guilty plea Jan 29. Easily 50+ news items on subject in that period, including international coverage (CNN, BBC, Washington Post) Open to ALTs. Reidgreg (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment better altblurb3. We try to avoid superlatives in blurbs. --Masem (t) 17:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT3 is fine with me. Thanks for fixing the tone, even writing in present tense feels weird. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article is ready for posting, refs are good. Has received attention world wide.BabbaQ (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fantastic article, alt3 preferred. --Jayron32 18:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plusPosted alt3 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, all! And thanks to all who patiently educated me through the process! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • WTH?! Since when do we post blurbs less than three hours after being proposed and with only two(!) supports? -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:05, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear... this needs to be pulled. There is nothing even remotely close to a community consensus to post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The conviction was nominated before, but judged too early as it wasn't the sentencing. The previous nom deemed this otherwise ITN-appropriate. --Masem (t) 23:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So this blurb was approved in another discussion somewhere in the past? This all sounds highly irregular. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just for clarification, I am neutral on the merits of this nomination. Over the last couple of years ITN seems to have been moving away from what I will call Murder & Mayhem crime stories. On the other hand Canada is not exactly known for this sort of thing. My objection is purely procedural. On which note, I am also not implying any deliberate impropriety. I haven't seen MSGJ around ITN much and they may not be aware that we have a somewhat higher bar for posting blurbs, as opposed to RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe the pattern was established per WP:SOMEFLOODS which was posted in 5 hours with zero loss of shit. --LaserLegs (talk) 03:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not see that, but it also looks to have been posted rather too quickly given only two supports. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That looks more like 35 hours to me. But then maths was never my strong point. But there is a common theme running through a lot of these premature postings. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that common thread myself. Is there an appropriate venue to politely discuss this common thread? ghost 14:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The talkpage here would be a reasonable place to start I guess? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aye, I would have supported this is well, but that was posted a bit quickly. Black Kite (talk) 23:28, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I updated the article and nominated it minutes after the sentencing. I expect either my exuberance to get it listed was contagious or that editors had grown weary of my whining about the earlier (failed) nom. My apologies if I stressed a volunteer into acting outside established practises. I'd also like to thank Ad Orientem for their due diligence with the error report. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Reidgreg as far as I can see, no-one can take issue with your approach here, the nomination was just fine. We do tend to wait more than a couple of hours before posting such items as we allow sufficient time for a consensus to "develop" rather than simply acting after the first two votes are cast (this is sometimes okay for RD when all we're debating is the quality of the target article, but usually for the main ITN stories, we look for both quality and significance). So in short, you did nothing wrong at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support based upon the previous conversation and the overall merits of the case. This is a high profile serial killer case in a city/country that is not exactly known for them. I have no real stance on the fact this was posted so quick (I don't believe it should be pulled), but maybe in the future it should be held back a few hours to ensure the consensus is still there to post it. --PlasmaTwa2 22:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks again. Folks here were correct to wait for sentencing. It was listed 8–13 February and received more page views than it's likely to get again – 185,000 while on the main page, when it normally gets 400 daily. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 7

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(Posted) RD: Jan Olszewski

Article:Jan Olszewski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Super Express, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Kpalion(talk) 10:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Not much I can verify, but the few that I did were good. The last section "in pop culture" is uncited. ghost 12:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per ghost, can't have an entirely unreferenced section in a BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've hidden the unsourced section for now. Are there any other problems? Espresso Addict (talk) 00:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 09:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) International Contact Group on Venezuela

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Article:International Contact Group on Venezuela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:The International Contact Group on Venezuela is formed in Montevideo, Uruguay. Bolivia and Mexico decline to sign the final text of the Montevideo declaration. (Post)
News source(s):Bloomberg, ANSA, UPI
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I previously nominated this when it was just the conference. At the time it was declined, many of those so declining saying we should wait until it occurred and actually produced something. In that spirit, I'm now resubmitting. Chetsford (talk) 06:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This ran at DYK the other day. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:17, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose since I'm not even sure what the "declaration" was, it's hard to understand the significance of either this meeting (which barely a dozen countries attended) or the reluctance of everyone to sign up to the declaration. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
it's hard to understand the significance of either this meeting (which barely a dozen countries attended) No problem. Just one minor point of correction, it was 13 countries, but I understand your apprehension. Chetsford (talk) 17:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Where I live, even 13 is "barely a dozen". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A bakery? j/k Chetsford (talk) 22:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Dingell

Article:John Dingell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Detroit News, BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Muboshgu (talk) 02:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article should be in great shape after a few minutes. Should we consider a blurb, given he was the longest-serving member of Congress in history? Davey2116 (talk) 02:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think he should get a blurb. He's not a household name, and he was 92 years old in hospice care. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:50, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. Well referenced article. I don't think he meets the criteria for a blurb which is set very high. Capitalistroadster (talk) 02:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Ref 41 needs sorting out (presumably it was a courtesy link?) and the material on Gallo needs citing. Espresso Addict(talk) 05:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Espresso Addict, done! – Muboshgu (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD – Fifty-nine years is a long time to serve in an elective office, but since he died at 92, four years after retiring, probably not blurb material. Sca (talk) 14:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD Committee Assignments section needs a ref but that's not enough to hold up posting. Article is solid and well referenced overall. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Emiliano Sala

Article: Emiliano Sala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dorset Police have confirmed that the body recovered from the wreckage is that of the Argentine footballer. Previous nominations were closed on grounds that there was no official confirmation that Sala had died - unfortunately, this is now the case. I am unclear on procedure, considering the death is not recent, per se, but believe we go with the date of the death's announcement. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support looks good, and I haven't seen any issues with the article itself. — Amakuru (talk) 23:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yeah, now we have confirmation, and the article is good. --Masem (t) 23:19, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and mark as ready. Also, yes, we go with the date of the announcement as the date of the story when the announcement is more than about 2-3 days after the date of death, as it obviously is in this case. Thryduulf (talk) 23:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Robinson

Article: Frank Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYDN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Muboshgu (talk) 19:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: A few sections need a few more references, but otherwise the article does an adequate job covering his baseball career. SpencerT•C 20:19, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Spencer, yeah, I'm working on it now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Spencer, what do you think of it now? It's not GA quality for sure, but I think everything is sourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good, thanks for putting that together. Support. SpencerT•C 21:06, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks in good shape. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is one sentence in the honour section I've tagged as needing a citation, but it should be pretty easy to source for someone familiar with Baseball. Once that's fixed it should be good to go. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Thryduulf, thanks for pointing it out, I had missed that one. That sentence is now sourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article seems fine to me. SirEdimon (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fully referenced now. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There still seems to be a citation needed tag? Espresso Addict(talk) 05:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Espresso Addict, not any more. I cited it. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 6

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(Posted) RD: Manfred Eigen

Article: Manfred Eigen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Manfred Eigen, 1967 Nobel Chemistry Laureate, Dies at 91". The New York Times. 7 February 2019. Retrieved 7 February 2019.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C-class article and reliably sourced. sentausa (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - ready for posting.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on quality; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull too many of those awards are unreferenced, wasn't ready, shouldn't have been posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Now sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: Since you tagged it, @Martinevans123 has added sources to every award. Would you reconsider marking this as "attention needed"? (I didn't change it myself since I supported it) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it's better now, thanks. Of course it should not have been posted with so many award claims unreferenced, but thanks to Martin for taking the time and trouble to sort that, without even a sniff of a copyright infringement! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Oooh, subtle. Still searching for some YouTube videos, though.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC) ... as promised (only 113 to choose from)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Yechiel Eckstein

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Article:Yechiel Eckstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Jpost: Israeli-American Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein dies at 67
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Start class article and reliably sourced. DBigXray 18:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Not got time to check this in detail now, but my immediate thought is that the article appears biased in its presentation because of the large criticism section, while the awards are buried under personal life. The lead is also slender. The personal life needs some clarification -- was he married twice? His son daughter has an article but appears to only be mentioned in the infobox. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the feedback Espresso Addict. I have moved the awards to its separate section. removed mention of "first wife" since it is not supported by refs. added a line on daughter. --DBigXray 19:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a comment on the talk page in response to your query, @DBigXray:. On a closer inspection there's a bit too much reliance on the official obituary at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. There's a NYT obituary, which I've now linked, which might be helpful. Espresso Addict(talk) 00:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have added better sources as Espresso Addict suggested above. --DBigXray 05:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good to go — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose some dabs in there, and use of unreliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, I have marked it as ready since all the reviewers including MSGJ have now supported this. --DBigXray 07:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Paul Dewar

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Article: Paul Dewar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [58]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
User:Fulserish
  • Comment. Not yet fully updated; some sourcing needed. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:30, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose still some more sources needed. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I took care of the last couple of CN tags. Article looks good to go now. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's still quite a bit of uncited material under Member of Parliament, as well as a problem with short paragraphs. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:55, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Rosamunde Pilcher

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Article: Rosamunde Pilcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [59]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
User:Clibenfoart —Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 8 February 2019

British author who sold over 60 million novels.

  • Looks good — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the so-called "partial bibliography" section is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Bibliography is fully sourced now. I've removed the other unsourced material in the text. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 5

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(Closed) RD: Mel Tomlinson

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Article: Mel Tomlinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [60]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article in good shape. Connormah (talk) 02:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Indeed ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is already older than the 4th RD posted. See the discussion I've initiated on the talk page about this issue. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: George Klein

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Article: George Klein (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [61]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
ghost 18:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. The prose is not the greatest quality, but it seems to have been expanded since TRM commented (although more would still be good) and it is sufficiently sourced. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The expansion has barely improved the description of why the subject is notable. There's considerable vagueness & some confusion in detail eg what's the title of his second book? Also the addition of the mail fraud appears potentially undue weight. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:11, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 4

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  • 25-year-old Australian footballer and refugee from Bahrain, Hakeem al-Araibi, is ordered to defend an extradition order back to Bahrain in a Bangkok court, after being detained upon arrival in Thailand for his honeymoon with his wife in November 2018. International community is treating it as a human rights issue; a campaign to free al-Araibi and return him to Australia is growing. (news.com.au)
Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Leonie Ossowski

Article: Leonie Ossowski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article expanded and sourced. Writer, entertaining and enlightening, who received notable awards, whose script was made an award-winning TV play, and whose novel is school canon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hakeem al-Araibi

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Article: Hakeem al-Araibi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Refugee footballer detained in Thailand on honeymoon from Australia in November; court rules on 4 Feb case to be heard of extradition back to Bahrain. Human rights issue gaining traction around the world and being compared to case of Rahaf Mohammed. (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au The Conversation SBS News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. More to come. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not significant enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest withdraw. The incident itself is unlikely to gain support, but this stage is especially unremarkable. ghost 15:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - interesting story, but nowhere near the significance required for ITN, especially not at this juncture. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the opinions. What happens next? Is the nominator supposed to add (Pulled) to the heading, or is it someone else's job to do this? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Otho Marsh Jr.

Article: John Otho Marsh Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:33, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Emiliano Sala

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Article: Emiliano Sala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Per previous discussion and consensus that the story was not worthy of a blurb, renominating Sala as a RD item. Death is now certain, although his remains haven't been recovered yet. Mjroots (talk) 17:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'm not opposing this one, but how can this be a recent death? - EugεnS¡m¡on 17:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As Eugen says, he died on 21 January. It's too long ago to be considered a recent death, and the entries currently on the list are all more recent. — Amakuru (talk) 17:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the case of disappeared individuals, we go by the date their death is confirmed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah OK, but actually his death hasn't been confirmed yet. The news is that a body has been sighted in the plane wreckage. They don't even know if it's him or the pilot yet. I suggest we wait until his death is officially announced then. — Amakuru (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature They saw one body in the plane, but no one has officially confirmed its identity (remember there was a pilot too). I read that we should have an official statement by tomorrow. --Masem (t) 17:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • "There are no survivors" - Sky News. Mjroots (talk) 18:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's from the private agency that continued the search for the plane after authorities stopped, but its not the official word. (And I would expect them to have observed two bodies in there before making a statement liek that). Again, we're told to expect an official statement in less than a day, we can wait on the official statemet. --Masem (t) 18:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature No official confirmation for his death has been made yet, only 1 body is seen in the plane and no one has confirmed if the body is Sala's or the pilots. The article cannot claim that he is dead without any official confirmation of his death. We will have to wait till it comes. --DBigXray 18:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note His death is also being discussed at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Emiliano_Sala--DBigXray 18:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature, as per Masem. The questions I raised previously, about the official route to change "disappeared" to "officially dead", will probably evaporate. I suspect we will simply follow an announcement in the press. But it may be several days before lifting the wreckage is even attempted. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment - body is confirmed to be that of Sala, nomination is above on today's date. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) RD: Matti Nykänen

Article: Matti Nykänen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yle.fi
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Four-time Olympic champion, and according to Yle, "widely considered the best male ski jumper of all time". 85.194.243.137 (talk) 08:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose career section unsourced, article doesn't mention about death or causes. please fix--DBigXray 08:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The death is now mentioned, although a cause is not officially given. Definetely an important person and one of the greatest in his sport. --Clibenfoart (talk) 21:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose too much of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just posted before seeing this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull BLP violation. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled Multiple unreferenced claims. Stephen 08:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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El Salvador Election

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Article: Nayib Bukele (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Nayib Bukele is elected President of El Salvador. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nayib Bukele is elected President of El Salvador.
News source(s): [62]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article still tagged for needing references, but has already seen some improvements. Needs a little bit more work to be ready. There is also an article about the election itself, but it is woefully far from ready for Front Page. This article could possibly get up to standards before going stale. Kenmelken (talk) 18:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Altblurb to link election article. Also Bukele's image is in image prot queue since this is ITNR. --Masem (t) 19:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - Articles are in bad shape. They need to be greatly improved before going to the MP.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don’t see any issues. AbDaryaee (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the normal target link in these circumstances is the election article. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose target should be the election, and that article needs more prose. ghost 14:13, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The election article is a stub plus tables, whilst the biography has a big orange tag. Nowhere near ready. Modest Genius talk 14:22, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Improve, then support on merit - Needs improvement before it's ready for the main page, but I don't want to see this snow-closed. On its merits alone, I support. Brendon the Wizard✉️ 00:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @BrendonTheWizard: This is listed at WP:ITN/R so article quality is the only thing that matters - there is automatic consensus that it merits posting when good enough. Thryduulf (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Super Bowl LIII

Proposed image
Article:Super Bowl LIII (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:In American football, the New England Patriots defeat the Los Angeles Rams in the Super Bowl (MVPJulian Edelman pictured). (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Muboshgu (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment we usually also include the MVP. Also obviously prose description of the game will be required. --Masem (t) 02:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until a prose summary is added and citation needed tags are answered. SounderBruce 03:00, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose background section is missing refs --LaserLegs (talk) 03:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stephen and Amakuru: do stop edit warring over the blurb and discuss it here! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    As usual, @Stephen: thinks WP:BRD doesn't apply to him. I reverted twice, and yes perhaps I should not have done, but the second time I have a full reason. Stephen's now instated his dispute change three times. Totally absurd behaviour from an experienced admin. Anyway, as I said in my edit summary, we should match the format used in last year's entry, and certainly we shouldn't be pointing a link to Super Bowl LIII when the link text says a different article, Super Bowl. That's an WP:EASTEREGG and is confusing for readers. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 08:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for explaining. My only comment is that "LIII" is not easily readable by someone unfamiliar with the game — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:51, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Surprised this is not on the Main Page already. In deference to the many people who might not understand "LIII" as Roman numerals - why do they do that? - perhaps "the 53rd Super Bowl"? 213.205.198.144 (talk) 09:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality looks fine. --Jayron32 14:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Waiting for image to be protected. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Image now protected. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: please can you change the link to include the text LIII (or 53rd if you prefer that) as was originally proposed here and per the discussion above? I was unable to revert for a third time due to being in an edit war, but that's the way we did it last year and I don't see consensus for anything else. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ITN blurbs never include the year or competition number of an event. There's no need to include it here either; it's obvious that the blurb refers to this year's event (more obvious than the roman numeral!). Modest Genius talk 16:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Modest Genius - it’s not needed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Modest Genius is quite correct. The roman numerals might not be understood by readers. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Right.... we never the numerals, except for every single year.[63][64][65][66][67] <sigh> Anyway, can we at least put the word "the" into the link, i.e. change it to the Super Bowl so that the link isn't quite so incorrect? Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Huh. That's really weird - how did no-one spot that error in previous years? (Yes I consider it an error.) Anyway, if something was done incorrectly in the past, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fix it now. Modest Genius talk 12:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a need to do so, although another admin may do so if they wish. In general, we don't include the year/competition number in other sports postings. The fact that it may have been done with past Super Bowls doesn't mean it should continue if we don't do it for anything else. 331dot (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would tend to agree with you IF the subject was up for formal discussion. Absent a change being specifically proposed, we shouldn't break from precedent for this event in deference to precedent for the more general category of events. ghost 17:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are a lot of unsourced paragraphs in the article, including most of the prose summary. This seemed to have been rushed a bit too fast, though I don't blame editors for not being all that enthused about this particular game. SounderBruce 22:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled by User:Amakuru ([68]) --DannyS712 (talk) 23:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Pulled. I stayed up until 3.30am watching this game, and I have to say I enjoyed it a lot. Outstanding defensive play is just as admirable as free scoring offensive shoot outs, and the tension involved when both sides know that one score could decide the whole game is exciting to watch. User:SounderBruce is correct, though, in that the article does not meet sourcing standards for the main page so I've pulled it for now. Hopefully the issues can be resolved quickly and it can go back up. — Amakuru (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a comment, recaps of sporting events do not need to be sourced, in the same manner that we don't require sources for plot summaries of works, as long as nothing interpretative is used (as the event can be re-viewed to confirm) That said, sourcing of the game's events in this case should be very very easy with how much coverage it gets, but it is not required. Other sourcing problems are legitimate though. --Masem (t) 00:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To build upon this, when I update the game summary for the Grey Cup article each year, I usually just use one source for the entire summary. That works fine. --PlasmaTwa2 01:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've considered the arguments above, and have made a few fixes to the article. I'm going to restore it because the most convincing argument is that a game serves as a primary source for itself. Anybody can watch a recording of the game and see the events unfold. This is analogous to the way that a book serves as a primary source for its own plot summary. No secondary source is needed unless there is analysis or opinion. To that end, I have removed whatever analysis or opinion I could see that didn't have a reference. For a better explanation, see Wikipedia:How_to_write_a_plot_summary#Citations. Jehochman Talk 13:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carmen Duncan

Article:Carmen Duncan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au Actor Carmen Duncan dead at 76
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start class article, working to have now added refs for everything. DBigXray 18:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - All sections are unreferenced.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SirEdimon can you please take another look and reconsider the !vote, the article as it stands now is fully sourced. --DBigXray 19:48, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Kristoff St. John

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article:Kristoff St. John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):Deadline, NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

February 2

Armed conflicts and attacks
Art and culture
Law and crime
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Walter James Edyvean

Article: Walter James Edyvean (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American bishop, I've expanded the article a little and added some missing refs. It is short but sufficient, I think - Dumelow (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support I'd prefer if it were a bit more expanded / had more references, but its okay --DannyS712 (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:07, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 1

Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Disasters and accidents
  • Three students at a school in Johannesburg, South Africa, are killed after a footbridge connecting the main school administration to various class rooms collapses. (AA)
International relations
Politics and elections
Science and technology
Sports

(Posted) RD: Clive Swift

Article:Clive Swift (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):The Guardian, The Independent, BBC, Radio Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British stage, radio, film and television actor Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose can't use that fair use image here, and several [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are three [citation needed] tags. Feel free to remove the entry, comment it out for now or even find a source. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, doing other things, just expressing my opinion. And that fair use image is a copyright failure, so I'm sure you'd like to see that resolved soonest. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've removed the image and cited the paragraph that was missing inline sources. All looks good now. Black Kite (talk) 09:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • support. Referencing issues have been resolved except for one citation needed. Capitalistroadster (talk) 09:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Wade Wilson

Article: Wade Wilson (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): usa today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player, DannyS712 (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose too much unreferenced material. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This article has severe issues with its references. ―SusmuffinTalk 23:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Susmuffin and The Rambling Man: See the improvements made since then. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Still seeing at least two whole paras without a single inline ref. Maybe more. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: Has been referenced by others. IMO (COI noted) its ready, what do you think? --DannyS712 (talk) 01:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I have marked this as "attentioned needed" because no opposition has been expressed since it was greatly improved. I didn't mark it as ready since I'm the nominator --DannyS712 (talk) 06:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted. Looks good to me — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull nope, numerous paragraphs without citation. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no requirement for every paragraph to have citations. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a BLP, and it has masses of unreferenced text. Please pull it, it's an embarrassment and a violation. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Pulled. --Tone 09:23, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tone: All {{cn}} tagl have been dealt with (thanks to User:Tecmo). Could this be reposted? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is now older than the oldest item in RD, that's why we cannot repost. But thanks for fixing the reference, the article is better now. --Tone 15:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 AFC Asian Cup Final

Article:2019 AFC Asian Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:In football, the AFC Asian Cup concludes with Qatar winning the final against Japan. (Post)
News source(s):BBC Sport, The Guardian, CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: AFC Game. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) US suspends INF Treaty

Article:Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:The United States suspends the Cold War Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty over claims Russia has violated the treaty. (Post)
Alternative blurb:Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the treaty's suspension by the United States.
Alternative blurb II:Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the treaty's suspension by the United States, which claimed Russia has violated the treaty.
Alternative blurb III:Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the United States announcing plans to withdraw from the treaty.
Alternative blurb IV:Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the United States suspending the treaty and announcing the plans to withdraw from it.
News source(s):NYTimes, Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article is not yet updated but as I write I think there are editors working on it. In terms of timing, I think this action is the point-of-no-return, compared to just an announcement that they plan to leave the treaty, from what I can tell from sources. There may be further negotiations with Russia to clear up the matter and unsuspend it, and there is statements that the US will make certain military moves on the EU/Russian border over the next six months with this, but I am pretty confident this is the right point. Masem (t) 14:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment In the previous nomination it was argued that the better timing would be when Congress decides to withdraw (which seemingly hasn't happened yet). If Pompeo suspends, he may reconsider as well. Brandmeistertalk 15:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I hate how news reports tend to overlook the mechanics of these things... Per Reuters, US is suspending how it will hold up its side of the treaty (eg it's planning on moving NATO forces around against bounds of the treaty, etc.) and will plan to formally withdraw in 6 months should Russia not come to compliance. So no act of Congress is necessary to suspend (that will be needed in 6 months), so this should be a question of the suspension is as significant. Given the way this is being covered, I'd argue this is, as will be if US withdraws in 6months time. --Masem (t) 15:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's alarming. Perhaps it would have been more prudent to report Russia to international agencies and demand third-party inspections, but we can only observe, as usual... Brandmeistertalk 16:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Now Russia says it suspends the treaty in return, added altblurb. Brandmeistertalk 10:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose more sabre-rattling, let's wait until the leaving actually occurs. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The United States has not actually left the treaty. ―SusmuffinTalk 21:25, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I point out above that yes, this is not the same milestone as Congress okay'ing leaving the treaty; that mark has been set for 6 months from now, and should that happen, that's definitely an ITN. My point is that this is a rather novel change in that the executive is willfully suspending the treaty and will move its forces around in technical violation of it. Now whether that's a milestone for ITN or not, it is a point to be debated, but I will argue this is a significant enough change to be itn-worthy. (outside of article quality which I haven't checked recently). --Masem (t) 22:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support significant milestone, and the leadup to the event made news too. Banedon (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – More political posturing on the part of what's-his-name? – Sca (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait / Support - Wait until it's confirmed, as The Rambling Man and Masem have rightfully pointed out. If it actually happens, it should be posted swimmingly. When the USA and USSR signed the treaty it quite literally went down in history, and it would be significant if the US decided to scrap it. The US has been floating this for a while, but now that it's been announced by the US secretary of state that they are in fact going to do pull out of it, we shouldn't have to wait for too much longer. (Update - though America has not yet pulled out of it, Russia announced they will be developing new missiles, so it makes perfect sense to post it now.) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 00:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb 2 Historical event. 1960-s tier Arms Race has just began and people here are arguing whether to post it or not. Jesus. I bet if the Christ made a second coming people here would be voting oppose until he'd be killed again to verify his Godhood, at which point they would say it was already stale and vote oppose anyway. Openlydialectic (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody questions the importance of it. It's just that neither Trump nor Pompeo even have the power to make or break treaties. He needs the consent of 2/3 of the Senate to do that, and I'll only support a blurb that mentions that the US has only announced its intentions to suspend it. Of course it's important; I'd go as far as to say this paved the way for a "Cold War II." The only objections are based on the fact that the US is still in it. That being said, Russia has responded by doing the same, and Putin actually does have the authority to declare that Russia can and will being developing new missiles (which he has, according to new sources). As a result, I support posting the blurb at this time, provided that the language of the blurb does not inaccurately state that the US suspended it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 21:47, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You deeply misunderstand the nature of what just happened here. Trump didn't leave the treaty, as he has no power to do so, but he SUSPENDED IT FOR 90 days, which he has the power to. The current alt blurb 3 is therefore inaccurate and misleading. Over the course of these 90 days the US will leave the treaty by the means of a senate vote. Only a fool would think the Senate would not vote in favour of it given the red scare-tier climate in the US Openlydialectic (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
    References: New York Times, Associated Press, Sputnik, SCMPOpenlydialectic (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Only a fool would think the Senate would not vote in favour of it" is obviously WP:CRYSTAL. He needs 60 votes. He doesn't have 60 republicans. Maybe he will in fact get enough people from the opposition party to support his proposal, and maybe he won't. The fact of the matter is there's not been a vote on it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 03:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That may be so, but the fact to the matter is: Trump has already suspended the treaty, and that's what we absolutely have to put in the blurb. If the blurb just states that the US announced plans to withdraw from it without mentioning the fact that they've already suspended it, that blurb would be highly misleading Openlydialectic (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would move to support, but only if a suitably succinct blurb was offered. Right now, what we have is horseshite. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:05, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're fully able to write one yourself (or at the very least give an idea of how we can make them less "horseshite" as you put it) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 03:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support any of the altblurbs, per above. Davey2116 (talk) 19:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • plusPosted a version of altblurb III. Suggested improvements to wording welcome — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:29, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @MSGJ: don't you think it's heavily misleading to post the blurb stating that Russia suspended the treaty without mentioning the fact that America suspended it too? That's... just... Radio Free Europe-tier work. Openlydialectic (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't understand your last sentence but I did say I was open to improved wording. I'm not a fan of the current wording, especially with the double "announces" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The United States suspends the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. In a mirror response, Russia suspends the treaty as well. emijrp (talk) 22:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    This. But I guess that would show the US in a bad light, so that's not allowed on Wikipedia. Openlydialectic (talk) 22:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    How about: Both the United States and Russia suspend the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:33, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd support something like that. Brendon the Wizard✉️ 23:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Updated accordingly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:33, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I have no idea why we're trying to diminish that the US started this. They suspending INF over claims Russia violated it, and Russia suspended in response. The order of the events is significant to the story here.the first altblurb is pretty much the right one (less a few words). --Masem (t) 14:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: Welcome to 2019 when much of Wikipedia has already been compromised by the US/Transatlantic special interests. You might wanna look up the articles about the White Helmets and the Wikileaks too. Openlydialectic (talk) 02:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeremy Hardy

Article:Jeremy Hardy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):BBC, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

SchroCat (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • A marker for now. Mostly OK, but needs some work on refs - particularly the filmography - SchroCat (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OK, all reffed up to date, I think. - SchroCat (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]