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12월 31일

2009년 12월 31일 ( (목)

말레이시아 고등법원은 말레이시아의 기독교인들이 신과 관련해 알라라는 단어를 사용할 수 있는 헌법적 권리를 갖고 있다고 판결하면서 정부가 비무슬림인들의 알라 사용을 금지한 것을 위헌이라고 선언했다.(BBC뉴스)
'위계급 신학자가자 정치적으로 영감을 받은 폭력에 대한 가장 참혹한 비판자'인 전 아일랜드의 카알 달리 추기경이 92세의 나이로 벨파스트에서 사망한다(더 데일리 텔레그래프 (The Daily Telegraph) (The Ilish Times) (로이터)
압둘라예 웨이드 세네갈 대통령은 "이단적인" 동상을 예수 그리스도에 비유한 것에 대해 "인덕적인" 기독교인들에게 사과문을 발표한다. (BBC) (매일 네이션)
아프가니스탄 카피사 주(州)에서 프랑스 기자 2명과 통역관이 납치돼 있다.(CNN) (스카이 뉴스) (라디오 네덜란드 월드와이드)
알싱(아이슬란드 의회)은 무너진 아이세브 저축 제도의 예금 보험으로 영국과 네덜란드에 38억 유로를 지급하기로 승인했다. (BBC 뉴스)
세르비아 정부는 국제사법재판소(ICC)에 앞서 크로아티아를 집단학살 혐의로 제소하기로 결정한다(B92)
케임브리지 대학은 6개월간의 모금운동에 이어 125만 파운드에 지그프리드 사순의 개인 논문집을 성공적으로 취득했다. (BBC) (로이터)
헬싱키 인근 에스푸의 쇼핑센터에서 총기 난사 사건이 발생해 최소 6명이 숨졌다 .
리투아니아는 비사기나스에 있는 발트 지역의 유일한 원자력 발전소를 폐쇄한다.리투아니아 원전은 국가 에너지의 70%를 공급하고 유럽연합(EU) 가입을 위해 거래됐다.(BBC) (데일리 텔레그래프)
인상파 화가 에드거 드가의 레스 초리스테스는 신비롭게 마르세유 칸티니 박물관에서 사라진다. (BBC) (프랑스 24 ) (보스턴 글로브) (로이터)
밴 모리슨은 원(One)에서 자신의 웹사이트가 자신이 낳은 아기가 없다고 주장하는 아기는 존재하지 않으며, 자신이 그 엄마라고 주장하는 엄마를 만난 적이 없다고 말했다.
스타 트렉에서 선장 장 뤼크 피카르 역을 맡았던 배우 패트릭 스튜어트는 다음과 같이 말했다. 차세대와 엑스맨의 X 교수는 영국의 엘리자베스 2세 여왕이 기사 작위를 맡는다. (CNN) (뉴스10) (가디언)
푸른 달과 월식은 둘 다 일어난다. (CNN) (ABC 뉴스) (우주)(위키네우스) (RTE)

12월 31일 ITN 후보자들

비무슬림인의 알라 사용 금지 위헌

말레이시아 고등법원은 국가의 기독교인들이 신과 관련하여 알라라는 단어를 사용할 수 있는 헌법적 권리를 가지고 있다고 판결하면서 정부가 비무슬림들에 의한 알라 사용 금지를 위헌으로 선언하고 있다.(BBC) (알자지라) 이것이 말레이시아의 국내 문제인 반면, 다른 나라에서는 이슬람교도들(그리고 아마도 일부 기독교인들)이 관심을 가질지도 모른다.내 생각에 이건 좀 쉬었던 것 같아.댓글은? --BorgQueen (대화) 11시 51분, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이 이야기를 말레이시아 내에서 순전히 국내 분쟁으로 읽었을 것이다.알라라는 단어는 아랍어에서 말레이어로 들어왔고, 아랍어로 그것은 어떤 일신론적인 신을 지칭하는 말로 쓰이기 때문에 고등법원은 판결을 내리는 데 있어서 확고한 언어적 근거에 있었다.물리침62 (대화) 13:05, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

내가 선택한 ITN이 아니라... --Tone 14:09, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

칼 달리의 죽음

"위계층의 가장 신학자인 동시에 정치적으로 영감을 받은 폭력에 대한 가장 신랄한 비평가"의 죽음.문제점과 최근의 스캔들(브렌던 스미스 등) 때 저명한 인물이었던 것 같은데, 교황 요한 바오로 2세를 위해 뭔가를 썼고 (특히 그의 죽음이 방금 발표되었기 때문에) 평소보다 훨씬 더 큰 부고를 받는다.업데이트가 필요한 경우, 이 작업을 수행할 수 있지만 ITN을 위해 충분히 주목할 만한가? --candle •wicke 20:52, 2009년 12월 31일(UTC)[응답]

당신은 우리의 아일랜드 전문가 입니다. 이 사람이 특별히 주목할 만한 사람이었습니까?그의 글에는 그런 것처럼 보이는 것이 거의 없다.내 말은, 미국에서, 내가 자연사할 때 ITN에 가입할 자격이 있을 정도로 주목할 만한 유일한 종교적인 인물은 빌리 그레이엄이다. 빌리 그레이엄은 며칠 동안 경기장을 가득 메울 수 있었고 해리 트루먼 이후 모든 대통령을 알고 있었다.제 생각은 아일랜드에 살고 있는데 그의 신빙성에 확신이 없다면 그의 죽음은 ITN 차원의 것이 아니라는 겁니다. -- Mwalcoff (토크) 00:27, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.아일랜드와 영국에서 확실히 눈에 띄지만, 단지 (해결 시도)에 대한 그의 역할 때문이라면.더 트러블: 어떤 실수라도 그것을 언급해야 한다.우리가 최근에 올린 두 명의 자연사 전 대통령만큼 국제적으로 중요한데, 그것이 아주 좋은 벤치마크인지는 잘 모르겠지만 말이다.물리침62 (대화) 02:19, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

적어도 지금은 약한 반대다.국제적인 지명도가 확립될 수 있다면 나는 지지로 옮길 수 있지만, 영국 지역에서 잘 알려진 것만으로는 충분하지 않다.마법사_{Help review good articles} 02:22, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 그가 지명된 이후 주목할 만하다고 말하고 싶다.30년 동안 주교 한 사람만이 최고 주교로 등극했고, 온갖 정치인과 심지어 다른 교회의 조공을 받았고, 나는 북아일랜드/학대 스캔들이 국제 언론에 의해 자세히 다뤄졌다고 생각한다.하지만 그것이 모든 사람들이 동의할 것이라는 것을 의미하지는 않는다.그리고 Physchim62는 최근 사망한 전직 대통령들에 대해 좋은 점을 지적한다. 압두라만 와히드는 비교적 큰 나라에서 2년 미만의 기간 동안 집권하고 있었고, 달리는 비교적 작은 나라에서 30년 동안 그의 생애에서 최고의 자리에 있었다.그리고 호주 헤럴드 선(Herald Sun)의 헤드라인—"유명한 요한 바오로 2세 연설로 인정받은 카디널이 죽다". --candle •wicke 03:16, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원, (ITN에 따라 기사가 업데이트된다고 가정할 때) 영국에서는 큰 뉴스인데, 이 사람은 상당히 중요한 것 같다.HJMitchellYou langed? 11:11, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그 기사는 지금 업데이트되었고, 우리는 또한 보스턴 글로브(미국)에 부고를 가지고 있다.Physchim62 (talk) 13:53, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

반대합니다, 최근에 ITN에 참여했던 사람들 중에서, 나는 그 공신력이 같은 규모라고 생각하지 않는다.신문의 큰 부고문이라고 해서 반드시 공신력 수준을 확립하는 것은 아니다. --Tone 14:09, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 톤의 의견에 동의하지만, 반대되는 결론을 도출한다.나는 달리 추기경이 베네수엘라와 인도네시아의 전직 대통령들보다 더 주목할 만하다고 생각한다. 그가 분명히 "그냥 그의 일" 이상의 일을 했기 때문이다.우리는 정말로 우리가 어떻게 죽음을 게시하는지를 다시 한번 살펴봐야 한다.Physchim62 (talk) 16:22, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

여기서 또 다른 이슈는 기사의 질이다.두 대통령은 훨씬 더 정교한 기사를 썼고, 이런 경우 비공식 지침 중 하나는 기사가 광범위해야 한다는 것이다.기사를 읽으면서 ITN에 올려야 할 이유를 많이 찾을 수 없다고 말할 수 없다. 톤 16:44, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

그것이 도움이 된다면 그는 그대로 누워 있어야 한다.위키피디아에 따르면, 상태 그대로 누워있는 것은 휴식 상태에서 누워있는 것보다 더 형식적이다.현재 이용 가능한 다른 소식통으로는 대만뉴스, 워싱턴포스트 등이 있다. 기사가 개선된다면 그것으로 충분할까? --candle •wicke 17:10, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 그를 저명한 인물로 인정하는데 아무런 문제가 없다.그러나, 기사의 형태가 좋지 않은 한(생물학 및 작품 단락이 실질적으로 확장되어 있는 한, 나는 ITN 포함을 지지할 수 없다.그럼, 아마도. --tone 17:17, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

내가 이 일을 좀 해놨는데, 상태가 더 좋으면 알려줘.현재 소식통에 의해 여러 언어로 보도되고 있으며, 예로는 네덜란드어, 프랑스어, 폴란드어, 로이터 아메리카 라티나, 뉴욕타임스, 이탈리아어(?), 포르투갈어(?), 스위스일 가능성이 있는 다른 언어. --candle •wicke 23:09, 2010년 1월 1일(UTC)[응답] 등이 있다.

제안:

 Cahal Daly, a Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church and critic of the Irish Republican Army (IRA), dies in Belfast at the age of 93.

--candle •wicke 23:15, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

뭐? 누구 있어?누가 뭐라고 한 지 거의 24시간. --candle •wicke 20:25, 2010년 1월 2일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대 그의 죽음은 그렇게 예상 밖은 아니었고, 기사를 보면 그가 어떻게 <문제>의 저명한 인물이었는지 알 수 없다.이 시기에 IRA를 비판하는 목소리가 많았다. --PlasmaTwa2 02:00, 2010년 1월 3일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 많은 사람들이 그의 계급의 가톨릭 주교들이었는지 잘 모르겠다.그의 죽음이 전 세계에 보도되고 있다.그는 상태 그대로 누워 있다. --candle •wicke 04:11, 2010년 1월 3일 (UTC)[응답하라]

"문제"라는 단어는 기사에 세 번 나타나는데(참고문헌에 한 번), 문맥이 있는 유일한 것은 그가 "벨파스트에 기반을 두고 있을 때." –하워드 04:43, 2010년 1월 3일 (UTC)[응답]

트러블을 좋아하지 않는 천주교 주교들뿐만 아니라 사회에서의 역할이 달리와 일치하거나 초과하는 국제인의 우글거림도 많았을 것이다. --플라스마Twa2 05:48, 2010년 1월 3일 (UTC)[응답]

교황은? --candle •wicke 09:00 (UTC) 2010년 1월 3일 (답)

교황은 추기경이 죽으면 항상 슬퍼한다.–하워드 더 덕(Howard the Duck) 11:53, 2010년 1월 3일(UTC)[응답]

아이씨브 보상

아이슬란드는 2008년 10월 엄청난 금융 붕괴 이후 마침내 예금 보험 의무에 대한 돈을 내놓기로 합의했다.물론, 38억 유로는 아이슬란드 GDP의 40%를 차지하지만, 2024년까지 모든 것을 지불해야 한다.그 기사는 (아직 업데이트가 필요하지만, 그렇지 않으면 상당히 좋은 상태에 있다) 아이씨브 논쟁이다.Physchim62 (talk) 18:34, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

사실, 아이슬란드 대통령은 법안에 서명하는 것을 거부하고 있기 때문에, 그가 마음을 바꾸지 않는 한 국민투표로 가야 할 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:44, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

지그프리드 사순 서류

지그프리드 사순의 개인 논문집이 캠브리지 대학에 의해 6개월간의 모금운동에 이어 125만 파운드에 성공적으로 인수되었다.

BBC와 로이터 (BBC) (로이터)가 들고 간 위의 내용을 제안하면서, 내가 기사를 업데이트했고, 거기에 모금 운동에 관한 실질적인 단락이 있다.이 소식은 12월 17일에 발표되었지만, 지금 막 읽은 내용일 뿐이며, 6개월간의 모금 운동이었기 때문에 남들처럼 '즉시' 뉴스는 아니다.12월 18일 데일리메일(데일리메일)에도 실려 있었는데, 지금 기사에 덧붙이겠다.나는 12월 31일 Current Events Portal에 이것에 대한 항목을 추가했지만 (그것이 내가 그것에 대해 읽을 때이기 때문에) 12월 17일로 옮겨질 수도 있다.이런 '늦은' 뉴스 항목이 어떻게 다뤄지는지는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 흥미로울지도 모르는 색다른 일이라는 생각이 들었다.사순의 사진도 있을 수 있다.카차롯 (대화) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 16:05 [응답]

지원, 대학이 얼마나 자주 그런 논문을 취득하는지는 잘 모르겠지만, 지그프리드 사순과 캠브리지 대학의 조합은 충분히 유명할 수 있다. --candle •wicke 21:30, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

이런, 17일...여기서 본 바로는 지금 가장 밑바닥의 항목은

 The Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, the world's fastest commercial train service, is opened in the People's Republic of China

, 12월 26일자.이거 올리지 않을 것 같아. --candle •wicke 21:33, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 그것이 너무 늦게 왔다는 것에 동의한다.우리는 진행 중인 사건들을 감안해야 할지도 모르지만, 이것은 사실상 일회성이기 때문에 우리는 그것을 "뉴스"라고 부르는 약간 바보처럼 보일 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 22:05, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

뉴스를 위해서는 분명히 이것보다 더 공중에 떠야 하겠지만, 만약 이것에 관한 뉴스에 (그것과 관련된 또 다른 발표처럼) 다른 것이 뜬다면, 이 제안된 항목을 재활용하는 것이 받아들여질 수 있을까?일반적으로 ITN 입력에 "너무 늦은" 경우.확실한 컷오프가 있는가, 아니면 다른가?설정된 일 수 또는 템플릿 또는 현재 이벤트 포털에서 가장 이른 날짜(이전 이벤트의 약 4-5일)그리고 이것은 실제로 일회성 행사가 아니다 - 그것은 6개월간의 기금 모금 운동 동안 세 차례에 걸쳐 뉴스를 만들었다.단지 실제적인 성공적인 인수가 대부분의 뉴스 보도의 논리적 포인트일 뿐이다.카차롯 (대화) 23:29, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

2010년대

이것은 바보같이 들릴지 모르지만, 이것이 위키백과 역사상 최초의 전복이기 때문에, 10년이 심지어 변하고 있다는 것을 인정할 수 있는 방법은 없을까?인터넷 시간으로 따지면 1세기가 되잖아궁수자리 은하수 (토크) 15:16, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

세계 대부분의 사람들이 새해를 기념한다고?사실 이것이 그날의 주요 사건이다.사실, 좋은 기사가 존재한다면 그런 걸 지지할 텐데... --Tone 15:20, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

일식은 어때?"350여 년 만에 처음으로, 새해 전야는 월식과 일치할 것이다."또는 푸른 달 - "거의 20년 만에 두 번째로, 12월은 "푸른 달"에 의해 지구를 비추는 것으로 끝날 것이다.이 사건들이 전 세계적으로 보여지는가? --candle •wicke 21:03, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

"세계 역사상 처음으로 지구가 2010년대에 진입했다." --PlasmaTwa2 00:43, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

아니야!!!(히브리어 달력, 태국 태양력... 참조) :P 물리침62 (토크) 02:25, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

리투아니아는 EU 가입 조건으로 유일한 원전을 폐쇄해야 한다.

체르노빌 스타일의 식물들은 거의 모든 나라의 전기 제품을 공급한다.궁수자리 은하수 (토크) 11:24, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

~~그들이 실제로 그것을 멈출 때까지 반대하라.Ks0stm 11:30, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)~~[답글]

그럼 8.5시간 기다리세요.궁수자리 은하수 (토크) 12:37, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

그래, "실제로 종료했을 때"는 현재 2100 UTC(UTC)인데, 필요한 업데이트를 할 시간만 되면 된다고 생각하지 않으세요?지지하다.원전 폐쇄(영구적으로)는 어차피 흔한 일이 아니며, 이번 사건은 사정이 이렇다 보니 특히 의미가 크다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:39, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그럼 신경 쓰지 마, 지원군Ks0stm 13:03, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

유럽연합(EU) 유일의 RBMK 원전인 리투아니아의 이그날리나 원전이 안전 문제로 폐쇄됐다.Physchim62 (talk) 13:02, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지지하다.발트 지역에서 유일한 것으로 묘사되었다. --candle •wicke 13:21, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지원, 하지만 게시하기 전에 기사에 있는 [초대 필요] 태그를 처리하는 것이 가장 좋다. --BorgQueen (토크) 13:41, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지원하지만 업데이트가 필요하다.기사에는 폐쇄에 대한 언급이 없다. --Tone 15:20, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지원, 하지만 그 갈고리는 좀 고쳐야 할 것 같아.지금 이 순간에도 공장이 문을 닫은 이유가 바로 여기에 무슨 안전사고가 있었던 것 같다.이 특정 발전소에 이상이 있어서가 아니라 일반적으로 이러한 유형의 원자로와 관련된 안전상의 우려 때문에 발전소가 영구적으로 폐쇄되었다는 것을 명시해야 한다.또한, 첫 번째 원자로가 이미 5년 전에 폐쇄되었기 때문에, 발전소의 마지막 원자로가 정지되었다고 말하는 것이 더 정확할 수 있을 것이다.베이글 (토크) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 18:20, 응답

"22년간 복무한 후에 문을 닫는 것"은 어떠세요?나는 우리가 ITN blurb에 있는 모든 세부사항들을 사실적으로 옳은 것만을 필요로 한다고 생각하지 않는다.Physchim62 (talk) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 19:48 [응답]

좋아.그리고 만약 어떤 것이 계획대로 진행되었다면, 그것은 이미 폐쇄되었다(2100 GMT).베이글 (대화) 21:03, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

Wikilinked라고 해도 ITN 항목에서 "RBMK"와 같은 모호한 용어를 사용해서는 안 된다고 생각한다.나는 "체르노빌과 같은 유형의 EU의 유일한 원자력 발전소"와 같은 말을 하고 싶다.간결함을 위해서 CNPP의 속기로서 약칭 「EU」와 「체르노빌」을 사용할 수 있다고 생각한다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:34, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

유럽연합(EU)의 유일한 체르노빌형 원전인 리투아니아의 이그날리나 원전이 22년 만에 가동 중단된다.

RBMK와의 연결고리는 클릭하는 사람이면 누구나 쉽게 찾을 수 있을 만큼 명확하다고 생각하기 때문에 계속 유지해왔다는 점에 유의하십시오. 실제로 이는 두 발전소 사이의 연결고리를 체르노빌 원자력 발전소의 대체 연결고리에 비해 훨씬 더 선명하게 만든다.이그날리나는 체르노빌의 정확한 쌍둥이는 아니지만, 나는 "체르노빌형"이 공평하다고 생각한다.Physchim62 (talk) 03:54, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

좋아 보인다. -- 음왈코프 (대화) 04:09, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지지하다.마법사맨_{Help review good articles} 04:58, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

게시물. --BorgQueen (토크) 06:22, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 "체르노빌형"이라는 표현에 반대한다.사고 이후 모든 RBMK 원자로가 상당히 바뀌었기 때문에 이 표현은 오해의 소지가 있다."RBMK" 타입으로 하자, 좀 더 정확하니까.오프라이너 (토크) 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC) 12:00[응답]

핀란드 총격 사건

노임 - 에스푸에서 총격 후 적어도 3명이 총에 맞아 사망하고 있다.링크: (Sky.com)(BBC) - TouLouse (대화) 10:09, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.라디오에서 지금 최소 4명이 사망했다고 방금 전했는데 --candle •wicke 11:01, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그 숫자의 살인이 드물지 않을 때 4명이 죽었다는 것이 무슨 의미가 있는가?Ks0stm^(T•C•G) 11:33, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

여기는 미국이 아닌 핀란드다. --candle •wicke 11:46, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

하지만 슬프게도 핀란드는 지난 몇 년 동안 꽤 많은 총격사건을 겪었다.반대하라, 왜냐하면 그것은 체계적 편향의 경우가 될 것이기 때문이다.제3세계의 유사한 사건들은 ITN.세피아 카르타 디 미 16:48, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]에 나타나지 않는다.

SupportHonouraryMix (대화) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 12:29 [응답]

일단 기사가 확대된 후 지원 (현재 한 단락) Modest Genius^talk 12:43, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지원. --Sky4t0k (토크) 12:43, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

비통보적인 다중 살인에 반대한다.미친놈과 총을 합치면 결과는 슬프게도 예측할 수 있다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:59, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

~~곰곰이 생각해 봤는데, 나는 지금 Physchim62 당 약하게 반대한다.Ks0stm 13:06, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)~~[답글]

여섯 번째 시체가 발견됐어다섯 번째가 있는지도 몰랐어! --candle •wicke 13:16, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.나는 이것이 충분히 주목할 만하다고 믿는다.그것은 전 세계의 헤드라인을 장식하고 있다.오프라이너 (토크) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 13:20[응답]

만약 여섯 번째 시신이 정말 발견된다면, 나는 지지할 것이다.Ks0stm 13:50, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

6번째 시체는 총잡이 그 자신이다.그는 자신을 총으로 쐈고 쇼핑몰에 있는 4명뿐만 아니라 전 여자친구도 총으로 쐈다.[1]HonouraryMix (talk) 15:17, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지원하지만 확장이 필요하다. --Tone 15:20, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

지금 포스팅 중.blurb를 자유롭게 수정하십시오. --Tone 16:37, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

반대해 2008년 노던 일리노이 대학 총기 난사 사건이 컷을 통과하지 못했다면 이 또한 그래선 안 돼총기 난사 사건이 자주 일어나기 때문에 일종의 기준이 있어야 하는데, 이 총격 사건이 유럽에 있기 때문에 포함시키기도 하지만, 미국에서 발생하는 동등한 죽음에 대한 총격 사건을 부추기지 않는 것은 매우 편파적이다.아보그 (대화) 00:39, 2010년 1월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이 항목에 대한 ITN 토론을 보고 싶다. 만약 그것이 지명되었다면.–하워드 오리 03:56, 2010년 1월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

여기 토론이 있다:같은 규모의 미국의 사건들이 더 자주 발생하기 때문에 포함시켜서는 안 된다는 주장은, 미국이 더 많은 인구를 가진 훨씬 더 큰 나라인 만큼, 사실 내게는 그다지 설득력이 없다.결국 미국에서 6명이 사망하고 국제뉴스를 받는 총격은 핀란드에서 6명이 사망하고 국제뉴스를 받는 총격과 같다.나는 왜 위치 차별을 하는지 모르겠다.치명적인 사격은 치명적인 사격이다.Abog (대화) 05:03, 2010년 1월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 그 주장이 별로 타당하지 않다는 것에 동의하지만, 6명을 죽이는 모든 슈프리가 똑같이 만들어지는 것도 아니다.만약 이라크나 아프가니스탄에서 일어난 일이라면, 총살자는 20명 이상을 죽여야 한다.

(생각해보면 이라크와 아프가니스탄의 나쁜 놈들은 사람을 쏘아 죽이는 게 아니라 자폭하는 거야.사격스프리는 자살/자동차 폭탄 테러에 비해 상대적으로 인명피해가 적다.) –하워드 더 덕 05:29, 2010년 1월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

물론, 그 나라들은 현재 전쟁으로 피폐해져 있고, 매일 많은 사상자가 발생할 것으로 예상할 수 있다.우리는 아프가니스탄이나 이라크에 대해 말하는 것이 아니다.우리는 매일 토양에서 맹위를 떨치지 않는 두 서구 국가에 대해 이야기하고 있다.핀란드와 미국은 경제, 교육, '서방' 국가 등에서 비교적 평등한 편이며, 매일 토양에서 전쟁이 일어나지 않고 있다.두 나라의 학교나 쇼핑몰에서 6명을 죽이고 6명을 죽인 미친 사람은 이와 같이 동등하게 대우받아야 한다.그러므로 우리는 이러한 편견이 일어나지 않도록 약간의 기준을 가질 필요가 있다.예:현재 전쟁(구렐라전 포함)이 진행되지 않고 있는 어느 나라에서나 총기 난사 사건으로 적어도 5명이 사망하고, 적어도 3개 대륙에서 헤드라인을 장식하고 위키피디아 기사가 있는 경우, ITN에 특집기사가 될 수 있다.그 기준을 충족하지 못하면 포함시킬 수 없다.하지만 이것은 단지 하나의 예일 뿐이다.만약 사람들이 그 기준을 10명, 아니 4대륙 혹은 그 무엇으로 채우기를 원한다면, 계속 진행하라.아보그 (대화) 2010년 1월 2일 19:13 (UTC)[응답]

사실, 오래 전에, 나는 "x대륙 제안서 보고"를 생각해 냈지만 아무도 신경 쓰지 않았다.요즘 우리는 "이리쉬 스토리가 영국 신문에 보도되었다" "캐나다 TV 방송국에 보도된 미국 이야기"와 같은 "국제적인 것"에 대한 한심한 변명을 가지고 있다.–하워드 덕 12:47, 2010년 1월 3일 (UTC)[응답]

기사 작위를 받는 패트릭 스튜어트

패트릭 스튜어트는 스타트랙에서 장 뤼크 피카르 선장을 연기했다.X맨의 차세대와 X교수가 기사 작위를 받았다. ----J4\/4 <토크> 04:00, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

반대, 미안.축하해, 하지만 ITN에게는 별로 중요하지 않아 기사 작위나 비슷한 상을 신고하면 물바다가 될 거야HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 04:03, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

기사 작위와 비슷한 상이 많이 있나? --candle •wicke 09:04, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

일년에 얼마나 많은 사람들이 기사 작위를 받는가?Ks0stm^(T•C•G) 11:31, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

얼마나 자주 그런 일이 일어나니?한 번? 두 번?어느 쪽이든 그들은 작은 상을 받은 사람들보다 그를 더 부각시키고 있는 것 같다. --candle •wicke 11:48, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

영국에서는 새해와 6월의 여왕 공식 생일 두 가지 리스트가 있다.이번에는 기사 작위 21명(KCB 1명 포함)과 담합 6명(여성 등가, 영국 기득권층은 성평등에 대해 크게 오른 적이 없었다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:22, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대하라, 그렇지 않으면 우리는 기사 작위를 일일이 언급해야 하기 때문이다(적어도 기사가 있는 기사들) Modest Genius^talk 12:42, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아니, 기사 작위를 일일이 언급할 필요는 없을 거야, 지금까지는 그랬듯이 각각의 사건을 따로 결정할 수 있으니까.이 뉴스는 약간 앵글로폰 중심적이지만, 나는 스타트랙에서 스튜어트의 역할이 세계적으로 잘 알려져 있다고 믿는다.나는 우리가 ITN에 관한 스타 트렉과 관련된 어떤 것도 오랫동안 가지고 있지 않았다고 생각한다.그 기사는 또한 좋은 것 같아, 그러므로 약한 지지.오프라이너 (토크) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 13:24 [응답]

지지: 패트릭 스튜어트는 역대 최고의 TV 쇼의 주연 배우였다.또한, 많은 다른 사람들도 기사 작위를 받았지만, 뉴스 보도는 주로 다른 사람들보다 패트릭 스튜어트에 초점을 맞추고 있다. --Jean-Luc Pikachu (토크) 13:55, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

반대한다. 몇몇 사람들은 이 영광을 받고 우리는 그들을 ITN에 포함시키지 않는다.스튜어트의 작품은 훌륭하지만, ITN에 스타트랙 밸런스를 추가할 필요는 없다고 생각한다. --Tone 15:20, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

몇몇 사람들이 기사 작위를 받았지만, 뉴스 보도는 거의 전적으로 패트릭 스튜어트에게 초점을 맞추었고, 대부분의 경우 다른 모든 사람들을 무시했다. --Jean-Luc Pikachu (토크) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

반대 ~ DC (Talk Edits) 16:04, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

질문: 누구나 새해 예우 리스트를 한 항목으로 지지할 것인가? 그 중 하나는 우리가 예우를 받는 흥미로운 사람들이 있기 때문에 현재 상태 및 젠슨 버튼의 회원들과 함께 한 부분을 형성할 것이다.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 2009년 12월 31일(UTC) 16:42 [응답]

나는 새해의 영광 리스트에 대한 일반적인 이야기를 지지할 것이다: 그 기사는 2010년 새해의 영광이다.이 기사는 목록에 대한 반응을 언급하기 위해 약간의 작업이 필요하다(예: 패트릭 스튜어트, 그리고 어떤 하원의원도 영예를 얻지 못했다는 사실).편집자들에게 관련 기사를 업데이트하라고 상기시켜주는 것이 될 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 17:03, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

내가 한번 볼게!취하기 전에 점잖게 할 수 있다면 (야, 새해야!)그럴게!HJMitchellYou langed? 17:17, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

나도 지지하고 싶지만, 그 기사에 있는 유일한 산문은 주인공뿐이에요.그 정도면 ITN의 기준에 맞는지 모르겠다.~ DC (TalkEdits) 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC) 17:25 [응답]

DC, 내가 실망시킨 적 있어?그냥 기회를 줘!HJMitchell You langed? 17:29, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

좋아, 한번 봐봐, 산문은 거의 없지만, 기사보다는 목록이야.이제, 나는 명예에 미디어 리셉션에 관한 것을 리스트에 추가할 수 있지만, 나는 그것이 어울리지 않는다고 생각한다.문제는 모든 것이 목록으로 옮겨지기 때문에 괜찮은 기사가 없다는 것이다.오늘은 이렇게 할 수 없을 것 같다.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 2009년 12월 31일 18:08 (UTC)[응답하라]

하지만 ITN에 연례 행사를 개최하는 건 어떨까?작년과 비교해서 특별한 것은 없었던 것 같은데… --톤 14:09, 2010년 1월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

12월 30일

2009년 12월 30일 ( (수)

아프가니스탄 코스트 성의 미군기지에서 7명의 미국 중앙정보국(CIA) 요원이 자살폭탄 테러로 숨졌다.사망자 7명 중 2명은 블랙워터 월드와이드의 하청업체다.CIA는 계약자들을 장교로 간주한다. (BBC) (CNN)
아프가니스탄 칸다하르에서 차량 폭발로 캐나다 군인 4명과 캘거리 헤럴드의 언론인 미셸 랭이 사망하고 있다(BBC (CBC)
멕시코 베라크루즈의 알렌데 교도소 밖에 수백명의 시위대가 모여 멜 깁슨 미국 영화감독이 논란이 되고 있는 영화를 촬영할 수 있도록 하기 위해 수감자 석방에 반대하고 있다.(ABC 뉴스 ) (프랑스 24)^{[permanent dead link]}
스코틀랜드에서 발생한 세 차례의 눈사태에 이어 두 명이 숨진 채 발견되고, 구조된 세 번째 사람은 병원에서 사망한다.(BBC) (언론협회)
이라크와 이란에서 2년 반 넘게 억류된 뒤 이라크에서 영국인 인질이 생포됐다. (BBC) (ABC News ) (ABC News) (The Daily Telegraph) (Guardian)
압두라만 와히드 전 인도네시아 대통령이 69세의 나이로 사망한다. (캄파스) (자카르타 글로브) (BBC)
나이지리아 북부 바우치 주에서 발생한 충돌로 인한 사망자 수는 70명으로 늘어 1000명이 실향민이다.(언론TV) (이날)^{[permanent dead link]}
대만은 광우병 우려 속에 미국산 쇠고기 일부 제품에 대한 수입금지 조치를 재추진하겠다는 계획을 발표한다.(타이완국제라디오방송) (파이낸셜타임스)
호주 정부는 올해 초 일련의 인종차별적 공격으로 인도 유학생 수가 20% 감소할 것으로 전망하고 있다. (BBC) (인도 언론 트러스트 오브 인디아) (ABC News Australia ) (ABC News Australia)
이란의 친정부 지지자 수천 명이 최근 아슈라에서 반정부 시위를 벌이고 있다. (AFP) (알자지라)
중국의 한 고위 제독은 한국이 중동 지역에 첫 외국 해군 기지를 건설할 수도 있다고 말한다. (매일신보)
부시파이어는 1만3400ha(3만3000에이커)의 땅을 소비하고 호주 서부 퍼스 북동쪽 토오디에이 인근 주택 37채를 파괴한다.
이탈리아 경찰은 큐비즘 파블로 피카소의 공동창업자 파블로 피카소가 딸 팔로마를 위해 만든 나무로 만든 장난감 기타 조각품을 발견한다. (BBC) (프랑스 24) (필라델피아 인콰이어러)^{[permanent dead link]}
미국이 중국산 철강 파이프에 관세를 부과하는 것은 중국산 철강제품에 대한 관세 부과가 잇따르는 가운데 일부다. (BBC)

12월 30일 ITN 후보자들

압두라만 와히드의 죽음

세계에서 네 번째로 인구가 많은 인도네시아의 전 대통령.–하워드 더 덕 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

SupportTouLouse (대화) 15:04, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

블럽 - 전 인도네시아 대통령 압두라만 와히드는 69세의 나이로 사망한다.TouLouse (대화) 15:07, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

그의 죽음에 대한 세부사항을 확대했다.소식통들은 그 원인에 대해 모호한 입장을 보여왔으며, BBC방송도 있다.또한 "대통령"을 인도네시아 대통령과 연결시킬 것을 제안한다.방화(토크) 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC) 17:19, 응답

지원- 전직 국가원수는 ITN의 자격이 있다.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 2009년 12월 30일 17:08 (UTC)[응답하라]

수하르토 전 국가원수를 지지하라, 수하르토 전 대통령 이후 물려받은 매우 중요한 인물.그리고 인도네시아는 큰 나라야.~ DC (TalkEdits) 17:21, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

좋아, 포스팅.사진 역시 추가할 수 있을 것 같아. --Tone 18:01, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

안녕하십니까, 4개의 지지로 이루어진 이란 시위(아래 참조)가 ITN 템플릿에 추가되지 않은 반면 3개의 지지로 이루어진 이 제안이 추가된 이유는?유 (토크) 18:40, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

지지, 그게 낫다고?:) --candle •wicke 20:25, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

Nirvana888 (대화) 20:33, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

중화인민공화국의 경제

일본을 제치고 세계 2위의 경제대국이 되는 중국[2] [3] [4] --라놀람쿠아 (대화) 09:56, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

신문들 (자원은 수정 구슬이 아니다, 이것은 사실 나의 친구다.:) 일 년에 한 번 꼴불견. --란골라무아 (토크) 10:18, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

반대한다. 위키피디아는 수정구가 아니다.일단 그것이 발생했고 확인되면 우리는 그것을 추가해야 한다.오프라이너 (토크) 09:59, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

특별히 중요한 사건이 아닌 만큼 반대하라.총 GDP는 (1인당 GDP가 아닌) 경제학자들의 페니스 길이에 상당하는 학문적 연구의 대상이며, 또한 매우 유치한 자랑의 대상이기도 하다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:12, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원 --2012년 이전 (토크) 12:14, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

중국은 이제 세계 제2의 경제대국이 되었다 --날로네알 (대화) 12:17, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

'[...]china-is-almost-in-is-most-listly-second-second-economy[...]'라는 URL을 읽어 보십시오.중국은 이제 세계 2위의 경제대국이 되었다라는 호칭은 오해의 소지가 있다.어쨌든 반대하라. 카고킹토크 12:36, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

반대하다. 대부분의 전문가들에 따르면 중국의 gdp는 이미 2009년 하반기(H2) 일본을 추월했다.—고딕4벤이 추가한 서명되지 않은 논평 준비 (토크 • 기여) 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC) 14:35, 응답[응답]

반대한다. 이것은 WP:Crystal처럼 생겼고 실질적인 사실은 거의 없다. 다소 많은 추측이 있다.게다가 그럴 예정이었는데, 최근 ITN에 대한 중국 관련 이야기가 많이 나온 시기였다.HJMitchellYou langed? 17:12, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대하라, 지구경제학에서는 상당히 중요한 사건이지만, IMF나 세계은행 같은 좀 더 권위 있는 소식통으로부터 확인을 받는다면, 나는 어떤 것을 게시하고 싶다.또한 NBS는 어느 곳에서도 중국이 일본을 추월했지만 예상보다 빨리 추월할 것이라고 말한 적이 없다는 점에 주목했다.Nirvana888 (대화) 17:15, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

모르드차이 바누누누

어제 P:CE부터.이번 사건은 특히 이스라엘 대법원이 바누누의 가석방 조건을 완화해 달라는 요청에 따라 해외에서 살게 해달라는 판결을 내리려 했던 것을 보면 좀 이상해 보인다.특히 이스라엘 내에서 논란이 되는 주제.그 기사는 멋지지는 않지만 참고가 잘 된다.Physchim62 (talk) 01:04, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

흥미롭긴 한데, 국제적 의미에 대해서는 잘 모르겠어?HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 02:04, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그는 특히 이스라엘 핵무기 프로그램과 관련된 그의 보고서 때문에 잘 알려진 인물이었다.그것은 전 세계에 꽤 잘 알려져 있다.그는 또한 이탈리아에서 이스라엘 정보국 요원들에게 납치된 것으로도 유명하다. --yousaf465' 04:59, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

그에 대해 읽은 후에, 나는 그가 상당히 의미 있다는 것을 깨달았다.그러나 현재의 이야기(가택연금 이틀)는 별 의미가 없다.반대하다.~ DC (TalkEdits) 05:11, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

그것은 당신이 할 수 있는 일이다.나는 그것에 대해 중립적이다.반대도 지지도 하지 않는다.--yousaf465' 07:46, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

이틀간의 가택연금과 끝장난 일이었더라면 나는 당신 의견에 동의할 것이다. 그러나 BBC에 따르면, 가택연금이라는 것은 그가 법정에 출두하기를 기다리는 동안 그의 보석 조건일 뿐이다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:40, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그럼 재판 절차가 끝날 때까지 기다리자.~ DC (TalkEdits) 15:33, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 동의한다.DC를 넣으세요.HJMitchell You langed? 17:13, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

남수단 독립 주민투표

수단 의회는 남수단의 독립에 관한 주민투표 법안을 승인한다. (BBC 뉴스)

너무 국부적이야?충분히 최종적이지 않은가?그것은 나에게 중요한 단계인 것 같다. 그리고 항상 최고의 언론력을 얻지 못하는 나라에서.Physchim62 (talk) 01:47, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

국민투표가 실시되면 지지하겠지만 지금은 아니다.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 02:05, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

물리침, 거기에 따라서 그에 따라 갱신된 기사가 모든 허드렛일의 일부로 플래그가 붙어야 한다.나는 그것이 솔직히 현재 최상의 상태가 아닌 이 기사일 것이라고 생각한다.하지만 최신의 마사지를 하기 위해 약간의 마사지를 한다면, 나는 그것이 게시할 가치가 있다고 생각한다.톰 (토크) 02:40, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 국민투표가 일어날 때까지 기다리라고 말하고 싶다.~ DC (TalkEdits) 04:38, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 우리가 국민투표까지 기다려야 한다고 생각한다.그것은 2011년 1월까지입니다.--yousaf465' 04:50, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

이란 폭력시위 및 진압

이란 친정부 성향의 바시즈군은 1500명 이상을 체포하고 838명은 폭력시위 후 사망한다고 발표했다.(NY 시간)

참고: 이 시위들은 지난주 아야톨라의 죽음과는 다른 사건이다.구체적인 발표가 필요하다.필요하다면 내 표현을 좀 개선해 줘.

지원, 구체적인 발표가 필요하다.그것은 작년 그리스 폭동이나 2005년 프랑스 폭동과 같은 중요한 사건이다.유 (토크) 07:58, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

자격 있는 지원.여러 명의 사망자를 낸 폭동은 어느 곳에서나 매우 드문 사건이다. 명백히, 6개월 동안 이란 폭동이 일어난 것은 이번이 처음이다.나는 우리가 만약 유럽이나 북아메리카에서 일어난다면 단 한 번의 죽음으로 끝난 정치적 폭동을 게시해야 한다는 압력을 받을 것이라고 추측한다.그러나, 업데이트해야 할 기사는 확실히 2009년 이란 선거 시위의 보다 일반적인 타임라인보다는 2009년 아슈라 이란 반정부 시위일 뿐이며, 이전의 기사는 내가 전적으로 지지하기 전에 그것에 대해 약간의 노력이 필요하다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:59, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원--Sky4t0k (대화) 2009년 12월 30일 14:14 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.최근 이란에서 많은 일이 일어나고 있고 우리는 이란에 대해 별로 다루지 않았다.이상적으로, 블러브는 이것이 진행 중인 사건의 일부라는 것을 인식해야 하지만, 템플릿에는 그렇게 많은 공간이 있을 뿐이다.HJMitchellYou langed? 17:17, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

2009년 아슈라 이란 반정부 시위를 개선하기 위해 노력하고 있지만, 상황이 좀 심각해서 시간이 좀 걸릴 것 같아.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 2009년 12월 30일 17:37 (UTC)[응답하라]

다음을 참조하십시오.

아슈라 이후 최소 15명이 사망하고 수백 명이 체포되는 등 이란의 여러 도시에서 시위가 계속되고 있다. (12월 27일).Physchim62 (talk) 18:26, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

- 나도 좋지만, 아마도 그 2부를 "12월 27일 이후 적어도 8명 15명이 사망하고 1500명이 체포되어"로 바꿔서 더 잘 흐르게 할 수 있을 것이다.Ks0stm 20:39, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 체포자 수에서 500명에서 3000명 사이의 숫자를 본 적이 있다: 선호되는 사람이 있는가?(아슈라를 언급하지 않아도 괜찮다.)Physchim62 (talk) 21:28, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

(NY times)는 이틀 전에 1500이라고 했다. --Yug (토크) 10:43, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

다음을 참조하십시오.

이란에서 대규모 반정부 시위가 있은 후 15명이 사망하고 1.500명 이상이 체포되었다.

...아니면 비슷한게.. 표현이 완벽하지 않아.HJMitchell You langed? 21:56, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

어떤 건설적인 비판도 초대되지만, 이제는 나 자신과 (주로) 코델리아나이스미스의 일 때문에 ITN에 적합하고 준비가 되어 있는 것으로 보인다!HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 00:20, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답하라]

이제 괜찮아 보인다.게시. --Tone 12:27, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

12월 29일

2009년 12월 29일 ()(화)

아크말 샤이크는 50년 만에 중국에서 처형된 최초의 EU 원주민이 된다.고든 브라운은 자신이 경악하고 있음을 나타내는 성명을 발표한다. (BBC) (차이나 데일리)
수단 의회는 남수단의 독립에 관한 주민투표 법안을 승인한다. (BBC 뉴스)
터키 법원이 2005년 5명의 목숨을 앗아간 미니버스 폭탄테러로 쿠르드족 남성에게 무기징역을 선고했다.(BBC) (아일랜드 온라인)^{[permanent dead link]}
방글라데시는 자국 내 수용소에 머물고 있는 로힝야 난민 9000명을 다시 버마로 송환하겠다고 밝혔다.(데일리 스타) (지 뉴스) (신화)
이란의 노벨 평화상 수상자인 시린 에바디는 의대 교수 겸 인권 운동가인 누이 누신이 전날 저녁 당국에 체포되었다고 말했다.소식통에 의하면 기자들도 억류되었다고 한다. (BBC) (UPI)
말라위의 첫 동성애자 약혼식을 가졌던 것으로 추정되는 톈궁 침발랑가와 스티븐 몬제자가 체포돼 심각한 공개적 우유부단 혐의로 기소될 것으로 보인다. (BBC ) (IOL)^{[permanent dead link]}
세르비아 노동·고용·사회부 장관 라심 랴지치는 2009년 말까지 라트코 믈라디치를 찾겠다는 약속을 지키지 못해 사임한다.(BBC) (휴스턴 크로니클) (로이터)
태국은 이웃 라오스로 4000명이 넘는 흐몽 난민 송환을 완료했다.(방콕포스트)^{[permanent dead link]} (알자지라)
소말리아 해적들은 아덴만 (CNN)에서 국제선원들을 태운 채 영국과 파나마 국적 선박을 나포하고 있다(뉴욕타임스(NYT)
중국은 2009년 미국을 일본 상품 전체 구매 1위로 대체한다.(마켓워치) (월스트리트저널)
미국의 기독교 활동가가 중국에서 북한으로 건너온 뒤 체포되는 것으로 알려졌다.(BBC) (연합) (로이터)
아프가니스탄 배드기스 주에서 발생한 총격 사건으로 이탈리아인 2명이 다치고 미국인 1명이 숨졌다.(BBC)

12월 29일 ITN 후보자들

아크말 샤이크

중화인민공화국에서 헤로인을 밀매한 혐의로 유죄 판결을 받은 영국인 아크말 샤이크가 처형될 예정이다.[5] [6] 그는 50년 만에 중국에서 처형된 최초의 유럽인이 될 것이다. --보르그퀸 (대화) 18:31, 2009년 12월 22일 (UTC)[응답]

그의 처형 이후 업데이트해야겠지만 기사 상태가 좋아 보인다. --보르그퀸(토크) 01:52, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이것이 또 다른 중국 관련 아이템이라는 것을 방금 깨달았다.세상에. --BorgQueen (토크) 01:58, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그럴지도 모르지만, 중국은 큰 곳이다. 세계 인구의 6분의 1이 그곳에 살고 있다.그것은 또한 영국과 관련이 있고 여기서 큰 뉴스다. BBC 뉴스, 타임즈, 가디언, 데일리 텔레그래프 등에 주요 기사를 실었다.내가 응원할게.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 02:07, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

내가 믿는 5분의 1은 제2의 경제대국은 말할 것도 없고.영국에서는 이것이 큰 뉴스라고 생각하지만 사물의 큰 틀에서는 그다지 중요하지 않다. 76.65.20.6 (대화) 05:21, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

(분쟁 편집) 와우!!!:-O 괜찮다면 내가 타이핑하려고 했던 것을 주의 깊게 복사해서 붙여 놓을 테니 너는 그것을 지지로 세어봐.
====Akmal Shaikh======Akmal Shaikh의 경우 실행/해제/기타 신규 또는 예기치 못한 개발
"나는 이 사건이 며칠 동안 CNN, 자카르타 포스트, 걸프 뉴스, 아일랜드 타임즈, 시드니 모닝 헤럴드, 인디안 익스프레스, CBC 뉴스 등 국제적으로 큰 취재를 받고 있다는 것을 알게 되었다.이것과는 별개로 중국과 영국이 관련되었다.그는 2년도 더 전에 체포되었다.고든 브라운과 스티븐 프라이가 그를 석방해 달라는 호소가 있었다."처형이 강행되면 샤이크는 50여년 만에 중국에서 처형되는 유럽연합(EU) 국가 중 첫 국적이 될 것"이라는 기사도 지금 본다.ITN은 앞서 지난 9월 조슈아 프렌치, 츠오솔프 몰랜드 등 사형 선고와 관련된 국제적 사례가 있었다. --candle •wicke 02:04, 2009년 12월 29일(UTC)[응답]

지지해줘서 고맙지만 왜 "와"?:) 이 항목을 일주일 전에 미래 이벤트 페이지에 나열했었는데...그때는 눈치채지 못하셨을 텐데… --보르그퀸 (대화) 02:10, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아니. 금요일에 이 자유무역지역 협정을 추가하기 위해 방금 그쪽에 갔었는데 못 봤어. --candle •wicke 02:21, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

우리가 결과를 알게 되면 지원하라.이것은 위에서 언급한 바와 같이 상당히 많은 커버리지가 되었다.나는 오늘 여러 미국 사이트에서 그것을 보았다.그것은 또한 중국에서 50년 만에 EU 국가의 시민을 처형하는 것이 될 것이라고 나는 믿는다.~ DC (토크 편집) 03:09, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지원 나는 이것이 ITN에 있는 것이 주목할 만하다고 생각한다.Python 달걀 (토크) 03:10, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
- 실행. --candle •wicke 04:52, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
- 반대해 왜 사형 집행부가 게시할 가치가 있는지 모르겠어내 말은 많은 사형 집행이 세계 각국에 의해 행해지고 있다는 것이다. 그 중 많은 사형 집행이 중국을 포함하여 상당히 슬픈 것이다. 76.65.20.6 (대화) 05:18, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
  - 사실이지만 이것은 국제적인 관심을 끌었고 그들은 이미 그가 호주에서 죽었다는 것을 알고 있다.기사는 최신 이벤트. --candle •wicke 05:21, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

그래, 물론이지, 내 생각은 이 사람이 비예외적인 범죄로 유죄판결을 받은 특별한 사람이 아니라는 것이었다.내 추측으로는 영국에서 크게 보도되었기 때문에 다른 나라의 몇몇 언론으로 걸러진 것 같다.하여튼 50년이라는 공백이 있어 외국에서는 서구의 모든 개인 사형 사건이 게재되지 않는 한 상당히 드문 일이기 때문에 나는 이것에 대해 쿨하다. 76.65.20.6 (토크) 05:39, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

아니, 마지막 사건은 (위 참조) 9월에 조슈아 프렌치(Johua French)와 Tjostolv Moland(그리고 그 중 두 건이 있었다고 생각한다.--candle •wicke 05:41, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

외국인의 사형집행(전시 상황 이외에는)은 어쨌든 매우 드물지만, 이번 사형집행은 국제적인 관심을 많이 받았다.프랑스/모랜드 사건(결국 형이 감형된 곳)과는 별개로, 내가 생각할 수 있는 가장 최근의 사형집행은 호세 메데인(미국에서 헌법적 함의가 있는 사건)이었다. 그 중 하나는 올라가지 않았는데, 당시 모든 시선이 베이징 올림픽의 시작에 쏠렸기 때문일 것이다.Physchim62 (대화) 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC) 12:36[응답]

게시물. --BorgQueen (토크) 06:20, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

에러. "오류" 페이지에 올리려고 했는데 여기서 더 많은 관심을 받을 줄 알았어.이 품목에 심각한 문제가 있다.나는 개인적으로, 특히 ITN에 관한 중국 관련 이야기들이 넘쳐나는 탓인지 ITN에서 밀려난 류샤오보와 같은 것에 비하면, 이것은 심지어 주목할 만한 것도 아니라고 생각한다.그 오류에 대해서는 - "EU 국가"가 될 수 없다.유럽연합은 어떤 의미에서든 '국가'가 아니라 다양한 민족국가의 정치적 결합이다.당신은 "EU 시민"이 될 수 있지만 "EU 국민"은 될 수 없다.그가 50여년 만에 중국에서 처형된 '첫 EU 국가'라는 말도 잘못된 것은 말할 것도 없다.50년 전만 해도 EU가 존재하지 않았다면 50년 만에 어떻게 '첫'이 될 수 있겠는가.콜리폰+(토크) 08:34, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

기사부터 고쳐주시고, 그 후에 블러브도 기꺼이 고쳐드릴 겁니다. --BorgQueen (토크) 08:49, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

단지 50년 만에 중국에서 처형된 '유럽 국가'의 첫 시민이라는 기사를 고쳤다.비록 지난 50년 동안 중국에서 처형된 러시아 국민이 있을 수 있지만, 그들을 "유럽인"으로 간주할 수 있는지에 대해서는 논쟁할 수 있을 것이다.콜리폰+(토크) 08:58, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

방금 참고 자료도 확인했어이 'EU 50년' 주장이 사실이라고 단정적으로 말하는 것은 없다.그러므로 뉴스 사이트들이 아마도 위키피디아로부터 얻어내고 같은 것을 보도할 것이기 때문에 가능한 한 빨리 이 최상급 주장을 메인 페이지에서 삭제해 주시오.나는 "EU-50년"을 완전히 없애버리라고 말하고 싶다.콜리폰+(토크) 09:13, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

아마도 당신은 "처형된 최초의 EU 시민"을 선호할 것이다. 그것은 페더럴적으로 옳지만 매우 오해의 소지가 있다.Physchim62 (talk) 12:36, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

우리는 이라크 부채를 탕감할 준비가 되어 있는 일본에 대해 뭔가를 써야 한다. --2012년 이전 (대화) 13:21, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

완료. --BorgQueen (대화) 09:51, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

구조된 배

지난 10월 19일(남아프리카에서 인도로 항해하던 중) 세이셸 북동쪽 해상에서 7만6000t의 석탄을 싣고 나르던 선박이 소말리아에서 '수리'됐다.몸값이 지급됐다는 주장도 있는데, 이 역시 심상치 않아 보인다.링크는 여러 나라에서 왔다. --candle •wicke 02:37, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지원--2012년 이전 (대화) 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC) 10:50[응답]

반대한다. 이런 일은 사실상 매주 일어난다.사실, 이 출처는 두 개의 다른 배들을 언급하고 있는 것으로 보인다. 두 배 모두 석방되었다.만약 몸값이 지불되지 않았다면 흔치 않은 일이었을 것이다.그리고 해적들은 그들을 대체하기 위해 두 명을 더 납치했다...Physchim62 (talk) 12:43, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대론, 매년 수십 척의 배가 소말리아 해적들로부터 밀려온다.수수한 천재 2009년 12월 30일(UTC) 19:48[응답]

100대 이상의 차량 충돌

사고는 얼마나 자주 100대 이상의 차량을 수반하며 기사가 있을 정도로 드문 일인가?10명 사망, 19명 부상국제적인 관심이 더 많다. --candle •wicke 03:24, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

Faits First는 다소 타블로이드판이다.둘째, 우리는 현재 중국과 관련된 두 개의 흐림을 가지고 있으며, 곧 세 번째 흐림을 추가할 것 같다(위의 아크말 샤이크 참조).셋째, 기사는 존재하지 않는다.~ DC (토크 편집) 03:29, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

독일어 위키백과 100만개 기사

왜 메인 페이지(TheLocal.de)에 이 위키백과 이정표에 대해 박스나 이런 것이 없는가 궁금했다. --bender235 (대화) 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

질투. --candle •wicke 19:43, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

이러한 것들은 위키백과 간판 포스트에 배치되는데, 그것들은 우리의 일반 (영문) 독자층보다 활동적인 편집자들에게 더 관심이 있기 때문이다.Physchim62 (talk) 01:07, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

나는 그것이 표지판에 있는 것이 더 낫다는 것에 동의한다.--yousaf465' 04:37, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아슈라 행렬에 대한 자살 공격

파키스탄 카라치에서 아슈라 당일 시아 행렬에서 자살 폭탄 테러가 발생해 43명이 사망하고 수십명이 부상했다. (BBC 뉴스) — 타키 하이데르가 추가한 서명되지 않은 논평(대화 • 기여)

지지하다.이제 사망자 수가 30명으로 늘어난 것 같다."공격자는 수만 명이 탄 행렬 속에서 걷고 있었다." --candle •wicke 16:46, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.2009년 아슈라 이란 반정부 시위가 있지만, 아마도 이것은 최고의 기사는 아닐 것이다.-별도가 더 어울릴 것이다. --Tone 17:03, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지원--Sky4t0k (대화) 2009년 12월 30일 14:14 (UTC)[응답]

코멘트 - 이 아이템은 충분한 지지와 의미가 있다고 생각하지만, 아직 게시되지 않았는데, 왜 그런지 물어봐도 될까?타키 하이더 (대화) 2009년 12월 31일 09:00 (UTC)[응답]

논평 -- 자살 폭탄 피로감일 수도 있다.만약 우리가 파키스탄의 모든 자살폭탄테러를 ITN에 올린다면 그게 전부일 것이다.그 기사는 2009년 카라치 폭격이 나의 2센트였지만 만들어졌다.위키리더41 (대화) 21:07, 2009년 12월 31일 (UTC)[응답]

12월 28일

2009년 12월 28일 ( (월)

77세의 후지이 히로히사 일본 재무장관은 고혈압과 피로에 시달려 입원 중이다.(스트레이츠 타임즈)
아르헨티나 남성 2명이 중남미에서 열린 결혼식에서 합법적으로 결혼하는 첫 동성 커플이 됐다.(부에노스아이노스아이레스 헤럴드(Buenos Irenes Herald)
신화통신은 중국이 소말리아에서 납치된 중국 화물선 데신하이호와 선원 25명을 납치한 지 두 달 만에 구출했다고 보도했다.(뉴욕 타임스) (알자지라)
윈난성 솽바이현에서 발생한 지뢰 폭발로 어제 산시성 쯔시우에서 발생한 이와 유사한 사고로 인한 사망자가 더 많아져 두 사건의 사망자는 모두 17명이며 나머지 6명은 아직 갇혀 있다.(스트레이츠 타임즈)
중국은 쿠바 관타나모 주 관개사업에 110만 달러를 기부한다.(AFP)
중국 상하이 최대 민항기 최종 조립기지에서 공사가 시작된다.(신화통신)
중국 광둥성의 당국은 수십 명의 독이 든 어린이들이 혈중 납 성분이 높은 것으로 밝혀지자 배터리 공장을 폐쇄하고 이 지역의 모든 어린이들에 대한 건강 검사에 착수했다.(스트레이츠 타임스) (힌두스탄 타임스) (중국일보)
나이지리아 바우치에서 군경 합동군과 이슬람 종파간 충돌로 최소 35명이 사망하는 사건이 발생했다. (가디언 나이지리아) (AFP )
이란은 1주일간의 시위와 2일간의 폭력사태에 이어 나자파바드에서 계엄령을 선포한다.(워싱턴)TV)
아일랜드의 최고 원로 추기경인 카할 댈리는 병원에서 "심각한 병"이라고 보고되었다. (BBC) (RTE)
파키스탄 카라치에서 아슈라 당일 시아 행렬에서 자살폭탄테러가 발생해 25명이 숨지고 수십명이 다쳤다.(BBC뉴스)
블라디미르 푸틴 러시아 총리가 동시베리아-태평양 송유관을 개방한다.(RIA 노보스티) (AFP)
칠레 발파라이소(BBC)에서 방화로 추정되는 화재가 발생해 최소 2000ha, 20채의 가옥이 파괴되고 수백 명이 대피하고 있다.
우고 차베스 베네수엘라 대통령은 관영 매체가 방송한 신년 메시지에서 마리아와 칼 마르크스를 인용, 버락 오바마의 '일루션' 종식을 설명하고 지구촌 생태 재앙을 예측했다. (로이터)
수리남 알비나에서 브라질 출신 금광업자와 현지인 사이에 총격전이 벌어져 최소 25명이 부상한 것으로 확인됐다.
이탈리아에서 눈사태가 잇따라 발생해 7명이 숨진다.(BBC) (신화)
중국 장시성 포양호 부근에서 차량 100여 대가 충돌해 최소 10명이 숨지고 19명이 다치는 사고가 발생했다.(더스트레이츠타임스) (멜본 헤럴드 선) (신화통신 ) (인도의 프레스 트러스트 오브 인디아)
아일랜드 고레이에서 버스가 전복되면서 여성 1명이 숨지고 최소 18명이 다쳤다.앰뷸런스도 뒤집는다. (RTE) (BBC)
이란 보안군은 최근 시위 이후 여러 명의 야당 인사들을 체포한다. (알자지라)
태국은 국제사회의 항의에도 불구하고 이들의 의사에 반해 흐몽 4000명을 라오스로 송환하기 시작한다.(BBC뉴스)방콕포스트(^{[permanent dead link]}Bangkok Post)
호주 뉴사우스웨일스주 남해안 바테만스베이 인근에서 연료탱커 추락과 폭발 사고가 발생해 3명이 숨지고 2명이 중경상을 입었다.(ABC-호주) SMH
베트남 법원이 반체제 군 장교였던 쩐 안 킴(Tran Anh Kim)에게 정부를 전복한 혐의로 징역 5년을 선고하고 있다.(VOV News.vn ) (AFP)
카트만두 남서쪽 치트완에서 네팔 내전에서 온 것으로 추정되는 폭탄이 폭발해 3명이 숨지고 2명이 다쳤다.(스트레이츠타임스)
미국 음악가 제임스 "더 레브" 설리번은 캘리포니아 헌팅턴 비치에 있는 자신의 집에서 28세의 나이에 실수로 과다 복용으로 죽은 채 발견되었다.

12월 28일 ITN 후보자들

마리암 바방기다의 죽음

아프리카 2위 경제대국인 15472만9000명(가장 인구가 많은 아프리카 국가, 세계에서 8번째로 인구가 많은 나라, 인구의 대다수가 흑인 국가), 나이지리아의 영어권 사용자(그리고 미국에서도 일어났다."오늘날 아프리카에서 가장 위대한 여성 중 한 명으로 간주된다." --candle •wicke 05:20, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

그녀가 나이지리아 밖에서 왜 중요한지 설명이 되는 건 하나도 없어.반대 ~ DC (TalkEdits) 05:25, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

반대 그녀는 퍼스트레이디였니?확실하지는 않지만 영부인이 되는 것이 그렇게 중요한 것은 아닌 것 같아. --PlasmaTwa2 05:54, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

그녀의 국제적 중요성에 대해 누군가 상세히 설명하지 않는 한 DC당 반대한다...HJMitchellYou langed?14:41, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

왜냐하면 아프리카는 꽤 큰 대륙이기 때문이다.그리고 그녀는 아프리카에 있어서 중요한 것으로 여겨지고, 시골 여성들의 삶을 향상시키는 것 등. "그녀는 나이지리아 여성들을 위한 패션 페이스를 지시했고, 말 그대로 그 나라에서 영부인의 사무실을 발명했다."이것은 가나에서 온 것이다.그것은 아프리카의 많은 사람들에게 영향을 준 것 같다.그녀에게 바친 기사는 평소보다 너무 많다. --candle •wicke 16:38, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대 --2012년 이전 (토크) 18:10, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.그 정보원은 내게 효과가 있어, 그녀는 매우 유명한 숙녀인 것 같고, 사방에 있는 뉴스 소식통들이 그녀의 죽음을 보도하고 있어.HJMitchellYou langed?18:14, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

HJMitchell당 지원. - SusanLesch (대화) 18:33, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 미국과 영국의 "주요" 영어 미디어의 눈을 크게 피해 국가적으로 중요한 개발도상국의 인물을 포함시킴으로써 "체계적 편견"과 맞서고자 하는 욕구를 이해한다.하지만, ITN이 체계적 편견과 싸우는 장소인지 모르겠다. 우리는 특정한 품질의 위키백과 내용을 다루어야 하기 때문이다.마리암 바방기다 기사에 특별히 잘못된 것은 없지만, 유감스럽게도 소도시 신문에 실린 로터리 클럽 회장의 부고처럼 많이 읽힌다. -- 음왈코프 (토크) 18:43, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

그것은 개선될 수 있다.그녀의 삶과 죽음에 대한 수많은 보고들이 있는데, 그것은 평범한 죽음에서 기대되는 것보다 훨씬 더 많은 것이다. --candle •wicke 18:46, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

다음과 같은 지원:여성 인권 개선을 위해 일했던 나이지리아의 전 영부인 마리암 바방기다가 난소암으로 사망한다. 나라와 대륙의 저명한 인물. Grsz¹¹ 18:51, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지금 신화통신에서도 언급하고 있다.그녀가 그곳에서 죽었는데 왜 미국 언론이 이를 무시하는지 궁금하다. --candle •wicke 18:55, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

월스트리트저널이 과연 그럴까.CNN, 뉴욕 타임즈 등에서 아직 아무것도 못 찾았는데...HJMitchellYou langed?19:29,2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대, 단순히 사망 기준에 부합한다.단순히 잘 알려진 것만으로는 충분하지 않다.나는 그녀가 영어를 사용하는 서아프리카에서 잘 알려진 것 같지만 아프리카 전역에서 그녀가 중요한지 의문이다.하지만 그녀가 실제로 무엇을 했을까?내가 알기로는 군사 쿠데타를 일으킨 육군 장군과 결혼한 것 외에 특별히 화려한 것은 없다.보그 스탠더드 퍼스트레이디, ITN 부고자로서는 별로 중요치 않아.Physchim62 (talk) 19:33, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

그녀는 나이지리아 육군 장교 부인 협회 회장, 농촌 여성들을 위한 더 나은 삶의 회장, 작가, 일종의 패션 아이콘 등을 역임했으며, 한 인용구는 "그녀의 지도적 자질이 동료들에게 공격적인 입국을 권유하면서 처음으로 대중에게 공개되었다"고 말했다."학교, 클리닉, 여성 다목적교육센터, 보육센터"를 건설하는 것을 포함한 공공의 활기찬 벤처 사업들.그녀는 이 모든 것을 했지만 (그녀의 기사에 따르면) 페미니스트들로부터 비판을 받았다.--candle •wicke 19:41, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

데이비드 마크 상원의장의 인용: "나는 나이지리아와 아프리카 대륙에 대한 개인적 상실감을 느낀다." --candle •wicke 20:06, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 이것들 중 어떤 것도 그녀가 현재 국무장관인 힐러리 클린턴 외에 다른 어떤 나라의 영부인과 어떻게 다른지 모르겠다.~ DC (Talk Edities) 2009년 12월 28일 21:19, (UTC)[응답]

반대 - 위와 같다.Connormah (대화) 22:54, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

위와 같이 반대한다.너무 중요한 수치는 아니다.마법사 06:20, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

흐몽 난민

- 태국은 이들의 의사에 반해 흐몽 4000명을 라오스로 송환하기 시작해 국제 시위를 해산한다.(BBC뉴스)

막바지로 치닫고 있는 것 같은 장기간의 논란.그 물건은 상태가 좋다.Physchim62 (talk) 01:00, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지지, 그리고 그 기사는 정말 보기 좋다.Ks0stm^(T•C•G) 05:45, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

곧 게시. --보그퀸 (대화) 08:38, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

그들이 망명 신청자임을 감안할 때 "그들의 의지"는 여기서 불필요하다.제거해야 한다.그렇지 않으면 ITN에서 이를 지지한다. --Tone 15:46, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

완료. --BorgQueen (토크) 15:51, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

지원--2012년 이전 (대화) 18:09, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

파이프라인

동부 시베리아 – 태평양 송유관.오늘 개업.하지만 기사에는 업데이트가 좀 필요해. --Tone 15:57, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

이란의 항의

Nom --bender235 (대화) 13:26, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

기사 업데이트 가능? --Tone 15:57, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

이란에서 2009년 12월 26일과 27일의 반체제 시위, 그러나 반대한다.여기선 새롭거나 부서진 게 없어Grsz¹¹ 18:52, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

참고: 계엄령이 선포되었다(아래 참조).이란에서는 처음인가? --220.101.28.25 (대화) 03:15, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

이란 계엄령

이란은 1주일간의 항의와 2일간의 위반에 이어 나자파바드에서 계엄령을 선포한다.(워싱턴)TV) 유 (토크) 03:49, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지원. --candle •wicke 03:00 (UTC) 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.유 (토크) 03:49, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

지원--Sky4t0k (토크) 2009년 12월 30일 14:15 (UTC)[응답]

12월 27일

2009년 12월 27일 ()(일)

한국전력이 이끄는 컨소시엄이 아랍에미리트(UAE)에서 204억 달러 규모의 원전 건설 계약을 따내 중동 최대 에너지 거래다.(월스트리트저널) (코리아타임스)
예멘 당국은 후티 최고지도자인 압둘 말리크 알 후티가 북부에서 공격 도중 사망했다고 밝혔다. (예멘 통신)
필리핀 바탕가스 인근 베르데 섬에서 여객선이 침몰해 최소 6명이 사망하고 실종자가 속출하고 있다.
이란 반정부 시위:
- 야당 지도자인 미르-호세인 무사비의 조카가 시위대와의 충돌로 보안군에 의해 살해된다.(로이터)
- 이란 경찰은 테헤란 중심부와 다른 도시에서 야당 시위대와 충돌해 일부 사망자가 발생했다는 보도가 나왔다. (알자지라 )
우즈베키스탄은 최고회의원들을 선출하기 위해 국회의원 선거를 치른다. (알자지라 ) (우즈베키스탄 국영통신사) (로이터)
크로아티아는 대통령 선거를 치른다. (BBC 뉴스) (AFP)
허난성에서는 삼국시대 중국 지도자의 한 사람인 조조의 무덤으로 추정되는 무덤이 발견된다.(신화 )(ABC)

12월 27일 ITN 후보자들

조조

삼국시대 중국 지도자의 한 사람인 조조의 무덤으로 추정되는 무덤이 중화인민공화국 허난성에서 발견된다.

생각은? --PlasmaTwa2 21:24, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

그게 ITN이 아니라면 뭔지 모르겠네.지원. --candle •wicke 22:08, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

지지는, 폭넓은 관심을 가지고 있는 것 같다.업데이트는 어느 정도 작업이 필요한데 (220CE에) 블러브에 (데이드)를 추가해야 한다.Physchim62 (talk) 00:37, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원하지만 기사가 구체화되었을 때만- 그것은 많은 정보 덩어리에 대한 귀중한 참고자료를 거의 가지고 있지 않다...HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 02:04, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

상기에 동의하다.기사는 상당한 확대와 참고가 필요하다.--Johnselak (대화) 04:55, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.세피아 카르타디 mi 13:20, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

인용구가 더 추가될 때 지원.Btw, 메인 페이지의 WP에 "있을 것으로 믿어지는" 문구와 같은 문구는 피하는 것이 가장 좋다.위즐. --보르그퀸 (대화) 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC) 15:21[응답]

그것이 그의 것이라는 것을 충분히 확신하고 확인한 것 같다.무료 사진 몇 장 있으면 멋지겠지만 그게 없어도 응원할게.게시 준비? --Tone 15:53, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

게시물. --BorgQueen (토크) 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC) 16:04[응답]

보아하니, 현재 ITN ;-)의 3/6 항목인 친중(親中) 바이아스가 2009년 12월 28일(UTC) 톤 16:15[응답]

나도 동의해.곧 유럽이나 미국에서 뭔가 필요한 게 있을 것 같은데… --보그퀸 (대화) 16:17, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

새 송유관은 중국에도 이익이 될 것이다...균형을 위해 크로아티아에서 1차 선거를 제안한다, 지금은 괜찮다. --톤 16:21, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

크로아티아 선거용 블러브? --보르그퀸 (토크) 16:25, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아래에서 자유롭게 언급하십시오: 현재, 모호한 느낌은 크로아티아 선거를 게시해서는 안 된다는 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 2009년 12월 28일 19:12 (UTC)[응답하라]

헤헤 그래 나는 이번 주가 중국에 꽤 어울린다고 생각해.그것은 정말로 우리의 일상 생활에서 중국의 출현을 증명한다고 추측한다.

지원--2012년 이전 (대화) 18:05, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

조조를 받드는 것은 삼국시대에 가장 중요한 인물 중 한 사람으로 중국 문화에 큰 영향을 미친다.Python 달걀 (토크) 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC) 22:30 [응답]

앞으로 4개월 안에 중국에서 고속철도가 몇 개 더 개통될 예정이다.우한광저우(武漢廣州)가 받은 관심의 양을 감안할 때 그것이 의미 있는 것으로 여겨질지 모르겠다.콜리폰+(토크) 02:21, 2009년 12월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

한-UAE 원전 거래

다음을 참조하십시오.한국전력이 이끄는 컨소시엄이 중동 최대 에너지 거래인 아랍에미리트(UAE)에 204억 달러 규모의 원전 건설 계약을 체결한다.(월스트리트저널) (코리아타임스)한국전력은 기사 업데이트가 필요한데 --보그퀸(토크) 17:37, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

GE의 모든 정부 계약을 ITN에 게시하지 않는 것에 반대한다. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 05:28, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

반대야, 고마워, DC. 잘 표현했어.HJMitchellYou langed? 18:16, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대--2012년 이전 (대화) 18:25, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

선거

우즈베키스탄은 2009년 우즈베키스탄 국회의원 선거를 실시하여 우즈베키스탄 최고회의 의원들을 선출한다 - 두멜로 (토크) 12:07, 2009년 10월 24일 (UTC)[응답]

우즈베키스탄은 현재 투표가 마감되었다.선거는 물론 그곳의 모든 정당이 독재를 지지하고 있는 익살스러운 일이었지만, 기사는 합리적인 형태를 띠고 있다.투표율 87.8%.결과는 월요일 저녁 우즈베키스탄 시간(UTC+5)으로 예상된다.Physchim62 (talk) 19:08, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아마 1월 10일 41개 지구(135개 지구 중)에서 2차전이 있을 것으로 보인다.Physchim62 (talk) 18:42, 2009년 12월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

또한 대통령이 선출될 수 있는 크로아티아 대통령 선거의 1차 투표, 2009-2010년 1월 10일 (2차 투표는 2010년 1월 10일) - 두멜로우 (대화) 16:47, 2009년 11월 25일 (UTC)[응답]

크로아티아 여론 조사도 마감돼 오늘 저녁 끝날 것으로 예상된다(CET, UTC+1).12명의 후보가 출마해 2라운드는 거의 불가피해 보인다.Physchim62 (talk) 2009년 12월 27일 19:14 (UTC)[응답]

분명히 2차전이 있을 것이다.다만 누가 갈지(2위 마감 후보 3명)가 완전히 확실하지 않아 결과를 발표하기 전에 조금 기다려야 한다. --Tone 20:06, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

보통 2차 선거의 1차 투표 결과를 발표하는가?나는 1월 10일까지 기다려보고 싶은 마음이 들 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 20:54, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

좋은 질문이야.우리가 1차 결과를 올리곤 했던 건 기억나는데 최근 그런 경우는 기억이 안 나...두 가지 옵션 중 아무거나 괜찮다. --Tone 21:08, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

브라질, 프랑스 등 '빅지'를 포함해 2회전제를 이용해 대통령을 선출하는 나라가 22개국에 이르기 때문에 1년에 4번 정도 제기돼야 할 질문이다.1차 결과를 보고하지 않는 것은 일단 결과가 나오면 선거 사연만 게재하는 정책과 더 일치한다.명심해, 나는 ITN이 가장 최근 독일 입법 선거에서 '공식 결과 없음, 게시 없음' 규정을 적용하는 것에 대해 너무 독단적이 되어버렸다고 생각한다(그 결과가 ITN에 게시되기 전 6시간 내내 야당이 패배를 받아들였다).WP에 들어가지 않도록 하면서 특히 주목할 만한 1차 결과(예: 프랑스 대통령 선거, 2002년)를 항상 허용할 수 있었다.ITNR. Physchim62 (대화) 21:49, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

2차 결과가 나올 때까지 기다렸다가 지원하겠다고 말하고 싶다.HJMitchell You langed?18:18, 2009년 12월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

암흑물질의 첫 번째 가능한 관찰

제안된 겁니까?네르가알 (대화) 04:49, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

이러한 발견은 먼저 동료 검토 저널에 발표되어야 하므로 기다려야 한다. --tone 10:17, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

나는 그것이 지나가는 것을 알아챘지만, 그것은 매우 예비적인 결과야."이 결과는 암흑물질과 일치하지만, 배경에도 일치한다."라는 BBC 이야기의 이 말을 인용해보자.Physchim62 (talk) 11:49, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

우리가 실제로 암흑물질에 대한 명백한 증거를 가지고 있지만 "가능성"과 "예비성"은 ITN IMHO에 속하지 않을 때 지원한다.HJMitchell 네가 전화했니? 2009년 12월 27일 12시 6분 (UTC)[응답하라]

그것은 가능하지만 확정되지는 않았다.그러니 그런 이유로 반대하라.Btw, 나는 '암흑 물질'이 무엇인지 이해하기 위해 Simple English 기사를 읽어야만 했다.몇몇 일반적인 영어 기사들은 좀 더 명료할 수 있지만, 여기서 논의하기 위한 것은 아니다. 카고킹토크 23:11, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

아직이요.연구팀은 "그래서 WIMPS를 발견했다고 주장할 수 없다"고 말했다. -수잔레쉬(대화) 23:32, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

데니스 브루투스의 죽음

중요해?"브루투스 씨는 1960년대 중반 넬슨 만델라와 함께 로벤 섬에 수감된 반인종차별주의자였습니다.올림픽 관계자들은 1964년부터 아파르트헤이트까지 30년 가까이 지난 1964년 남아공 대회를 금지했다." --candle •wicke 02:32, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

자연적인 원인에 의한 노인들의 죽음에 대한 나의 견해는 그 사람이 만델라 그 자신처럼 비상한 지명도를 가지고 있는 경우에만 포함되어야 한다는 것이다. 이 신사는, 어쩌면 중요했을지 모르지만, 그 기준에 부합하는지는 잘 모르겠다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:48, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

우리는 분명히

더

명확하고

더

엄격

한 사망

기준

이 필요하다

.

불행히도, 나는 이것을 반대해야 한다.

HJMitchell 네가 전화했니?

12:03, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

신사가 85세였기 때문

에

반대

한다

.

-

SusanLesch

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대화) 23:36, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답

하라

]

Urban Meyer, 건강상의 문제로 사임 발표

([7]). 95승 18패로 2000년대 최고의 성공을 거둔 감독으로서 오늘날 대학 축구계의 충격적인 소식은 그가 예기치 않게 완전히 은퇴를 선언하고 있다.대학 축구는 미국에서 거의 두 번째로 인기 있는 스포츠라는 것([8])을 기억할 필요가 있으며, 특히 감독들이 연극을 부르고 선수들을 영입하면서 중요하다는 것을 기억할 필요가 있다.물론 이 뉴스는 북미 이외의 지역에서는 거의 영향을 미치지 않을 것이지만, 최근의 많은 ITN 항목보다 훨씬 더 많은 독자들이 관심을 가질 것이며, 다른 항목들도 마찬가지일 것이다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 02:48, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

거의 두 번째로 인기 있는 ? (그런데, 그 링크를 클릭해서 더 유용할 수 있는 암흑 물질의 발견에 관한 정보를 얻었다.) --candle •wicke 05:23, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

링크를 고쳤다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 07:38, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

아무도 신경 쓰지 않는 스포츠인 풋볼에 반대하라.그리고 프로축구도 아니다. -- 타리카브죠투 06:37, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

내 견해는 누가 어떤 것에 대해 신경쓰지 않는지는 중요하지 않다는 것이다; 많은 사람들이 그것에 대해 관심을 가져야만 한다.대부분의 ITN 항목은 대부분의 사람들에게 관심이 없다(베네수엘라 대통령, 누구라도?). -- Mwalcoff (대화) 07:43, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

반대 미국 밖에서는 눈에 띄지 않으며, 심지어 미국 밖에서도 주목받지 못하는 한계가 있다. --PlasmaTwa2 09:09, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

반대. 플라즈마, 넌 내 입에서 그 말을 바로 빼냈어.HJMitchellYou langed? 11:57, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

반대한다. 가깝지도 않다.그렇다 그것은 미국에서 큰 스포츠 뉴스지만 스포츠를 따르지 않는 사람들에게는 그렇게 큰 문제가 아니다.내가 은퇴를 주목할 만한 이벤트로 지지할 유일한 매니저는 알렉스 퍼거슨일 것이다.--존셀락 (토크) 12:11, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

누구? 좋아, 들어봤지만 솔직히 말해봐미국의 비교적 작은 축구 추종 군중들 밖에 얼마나 많은 미국인들이 있는가?어반 마이어(또는 조 패터노의 궁극적(?) 은퇴)가 미국 밖에서는 비교적 잘 알려져 있지 않기 때문에 그렇게 할 수 없다면, 미국 내에서도 거의 아무도 그에 대해 들어본 적이 없다는 이유로 알렉스 퍼거슨도 인정하지 말아야 하지 않을까?그리고 그것은 심지어 미국 축구 감독들이 실제로 경기를 지배하는 반면 축구 감독들은 일단 휘슬이 울리면 정말로 아무것도 하지 않는다는 주장을 펴는 것도 아니다. -- Mwalcoff (토크) 15:48, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

2010년 1월 7일 특정 게임을 기다리세요.그럴 수도 있지

P.S. How about this guy when he retires? ITN snub too? –Howard the Duck 16:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What "game" is this? --can dle •wicke 16:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This. –Howard the Duck 16:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, never heard of it, will have to look into it in more detail. Thanks for giving an advance warning. :) --can dle •wicke 16:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh the "Bowl finale", that's on ITNR anyway. --can dle •wicke 16:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it's not "that bowl finale. –Howard the Duck 16:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see. There's more than one? --can dle •wicke 16:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This one is for college football. –Howard the Duck 16:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And is college football related to American football? --can dle •wicke 16:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The game played by the colleges and professionals (NFL) is the same -- American football, only that there are some minor rules variations. (I think it's on defensive formations, I'm not sure on that, though.) The best college players play on the NFL after they graduate. –Howard the Duck 16:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So it's like some sort of league for reserve teams full of underdeveloped players? --can dle •wicke 16:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's the best 18-23 year old players, who play before fanatical crowds of up to 112,000. It's kind of a big tradition and a way of life in much of the country. Famous college coaches like Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are probably better-known than the governors of their respective states, and the Heisman Trophy for the best college-football player is the best-known individual honor in American sports. People travel around the country following their favorite teams and paint the interior of their houses in Alabama Crimson Tide or Tennessee Volunteers or whatever colors. There are even coffins you can be buried in with the colors and logos of college-football teams. The college-football championship Howard mentioned is the 2nd biggest sports event of the year in the US by average TV viewership. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds quite big. --can dle •wicke 16:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

마이어가 코칭하던 선수가 이곳에서 거의 중단될 뻔했을 때, 여기서 압박이 되었다.–하워드 더 덕(Howard the Duck) 17:02, 2009년 12월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

As for this item, we should perhaps lay it off. I'd say Pete Carroll is bigger, and he'd won't be added here if he retires, unless he tragically dies by being chopped by a shillelagh by naughty Notre Dame fans. I'd rather watch the debate on the BCS National Championship Game (not that followed elsewhere, maybe in Canada) and the Men's Division I Basketball Championship Game (the basketball event seems to have a more "international" following). –Howard the Duck 17:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Aborted? --can dle •wicke 17:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aborted as in Roe v. Wade. –Howard the Duck 17:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Howard's referring to Tim Tebow, the best-known college player of the past few years, whose parents are missionaries in the Philippines. His mom's pregnancy was difficult, and the doctor recommended an abortion, but she went ahead with the birth and delivered a healthy "miracle" baby. I doubt it was much in the papers at the time, though. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 17:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now it turns out Meyer has changed his mind and hopes to return to the sideline next season. So never mind. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There something about Florida coaches and flip-flopping on their decisions. –Howard the Duck 01:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So all that was for nothing? --can dle •wicke 02:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least we had a preview of January 7's discussion. –Howard the Duck 02:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose--Before2012 (talk) 18:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 26

December 26, 2009 (Saturday)

A bomb squad in Reykjavík, Iceland, searches a diverted Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt, Germany, to Detroit, Michigan, United States, that carries a bag whose owner did not make it onto the plane. (Reuters)
A bomb explodes under the car of a suspected Hamas member in southern Beirut, Lebanon, killing at least one person and injuring two others. (Lebanese National News Agency) (Al Jazeera)
Countries around the Indian Ocean hold commemorations on the fifth anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that killed around 250,000 people. (BBC) (euronews)
A bridge over the Chambal River in Kota, India, collapses with 45 people thought to have been killed. (CNN)
It is confirmed that all nine missing crew members — six Filipinos and three Greeks — from yesterday's ship fire disaster off the coast of Venezuela are dead. (BBC)
Ten people die and two more receive injuries after being pierced by a metal guard rail during a bus crash on a major highway in Ipoh, Malaysia. (Malaysian Star)
Five Chinese are sentenced to execution by firing squad before a court in Vietnam for their roles in one of the largest drug seizures in the country's history. (Press Association)

ITN candidates for December 26

Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway

Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway a 1068km long bullet train line running at 350km/h between two of China's largest cities will open for business. This is a $17 billion dollar investment for the country. Huge by Chinese standards.

The project is also impressive by world standards. High-speed rail by country This is the fastest high speed train and the length of this route alone is almost equivalent to all the high speed track length of Germany.

Shiplevelone (talk) 13:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 20:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems important enough. Not much more to say. It opened today. __meco (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, it is significant in several senses; however, the article is at the limits of acceptibility, if anyone feels like spending a bit of time on it. Physchim62 (talk) 22:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support if there is a picture. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Give me a good blurb, please. --Tone 00:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when, and only when the article sees some improvement. There are only 3 refs (one is a bare URL) and there is very little substantial information in it. I'd recommend a search for a few decent news sources, which often contain good background info. HJMitchellYou rang? 00:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Before2012 (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People's Republic of China opens the Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway at the average speed of 350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour, the world's fastest.

Attempted blurb. Article is about a start class now. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not mention "350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour", just says "more than 300 kilometres (190 mi)". Can you clarify this please?--BorgQueen (talk) 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Fixed. Also the talk page says that trains have traveled faster. I don't know about that. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Impressive. You now have my unconditional support- the article is in much better shape with more info, more refs etc. As for a blurb:

The Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, the world's fastest high speed railway open in China with an average speed of 350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour?

-HJMitchell You rang? 01:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ship fire

A fire on board the Greek ship Aegean Wind 100 miles off the coast of Venezuala kills all 9 crew. HJMitchell You rang? 15:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to say without an article. However, there were two accidents with higher number of casualties today, according to the above box. --Tone 15:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when ready. The crew were from two separate continents and the incident happened on a third continent. It was also unknown if they were dead for some time. --can dle •wicke 20:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Crews die at sea on almost a daily basis, just most don't make the news. Modest Genius ^talk 20:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Sad finding. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of George Cowling

George Cowling, the presenter of the first televised weather forecast dies at the age of 89. HJMitchell You rang? 16:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Obviously important in their field of expertise. --can dle •wicke 20:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll support if the article gets improved, atm it's pretty much a stub. Modest Genius ^talk 20:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's very little info in the article at the minute, and it fail's the "three reference" criterion. I'm not convinced that more information could be found in the time available, but I'll reconsider if the article is expanded. Oppose for the minute. Physchim62 (talk) 20:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. We have too many deaths here. This one is not crucial. __meco (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per meco. Nice but not overly important. Wizardman 22:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until the article contains a reasonable amount of information on Cowling's death and the societal impact thereof. (At the moment, it conveys only that "he died on Christmas Eve 2009 after a short stay in hospital.") —David Levy 22:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Sorry but the gentleman was 89. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 25

December 25, 2009 (Friday)

A Viva Palestina supply convoy is stranded in Aqaba due to actions of the Egyptian government. (Al Jazeera)
The number of suicides in Japan exceeded 30,000 in 2009 according to officials, for the twelfth consecutive year. (Times of India) (Japan Today) (Straits Times)
China sentences activist Liu Xiaobo to 11 years in prison for "subversion of state power". (UN News Centre) (Al Jazeera) (Press Trust of India)
China's National Bureau of Statistics revised the growth rate of its gross domestic product (GDP) for 2008 to 9.6 percent from 9 percent. (Xinhua)
The 19th century St Mel's Cathedral of Longford in Ireland is destroyed by an ongoing fire in the town. (RTÉ) (Longford Leader)
Two more bishops — Eamonn Oliver Walsh and Raymond Field — resign due to child sex abuse allegations contained within the Murphy Report. They were Dublin's only remaining two serving auxiliary bishops. (RTÉ) (BBC)
The death by gunshot wound of Expresiones de Tulum journalist Alberto Velázquez, the 12th journalist to be killed in Mexico in 2009, is announced. (The Washington Post)
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom remembers the dead soldiers of Afghanistan in the Royal Christmas Message. (BBC) (Boston Globe) (Full text from The Daily Telegraph)
Six Filipino sailors and three Greek officers are missing after fire engulfs a ship in an incident off the coast of Venezuela. (Athens News Agency) (Press TV) (Xinhua)
American officials investigate a possible attempted terrorist attack after an incident on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit. MSNBC BBC

ITN candidates for December 25

Attempted terrorist attack on international flight

Similar Northwest Airbus in Delta livery

I suppose it's premature to be thinking about this on ITN, but I think it's worth keeping an eye on it to see how it develops. HJMitchell You rang? 23:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Someone says "I'm from al Qaeda" doesn't mean one has to believe them. Even if he is, his plan failed. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I don't see an article yet. I'm also rather sceptical about anonymous "administration officials" talking about terrorism, but that's just a personal prejudice ;) Physchim62 (talk) 00:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No article as far as I know, and it was foiled. --Plasma Twa 2 00:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I assume an article will be forthcoming. Definitely a notable event, if confirmed. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 01:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Target article is Northwest Airlines Flight 253 ~ DC (Talk Edits) 01:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks developed; this makes sense to feature. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 04:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support Extremely notable, great article. An actual bombing of an aircraft is an extremely unusual and significant event. Guy0307 (talk) 06:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support This story will develop as the day goes on. Airport security likely to be increased again just as it was being said that there could be some relaxation in the coming months. Mjroots (talk) 06:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a speculation. And it was just an attempt. If there is further development, I may support, but for now, Oppose. --Tone 09:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's very little actual information, and no evidence that the flight was ever actually in any danger. However, the article does look pretty good and we could do with some new stories up. Neutral. Modest Genius ^talk 13:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested blurb:

A Nigerian national is detained in Detroit, Michigan after a failed terrorist attack aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 wile flying from The Netherlands to the United States

or, alternatively: ~~*Security is increased on transatlantic flights after a failed bomb attack aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253~~

currently the lead story on BBC News, Google News, The Gurdian, CNN and AFP. Brown and Obama have both issued statements. HJMitchellYou rang? 14:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not convinced by this one at all. Call it a terrorist attack if you must, but a "bomb" seems like hyperbole. Nor is there any information in the article about increased security measures (apart from a bland and completely non-specific statement from the DHS), so strong oppose to the second proposed blub. In general, I agree with Tone and Modest Genius, I'd rather this one didn't go up because it seems more hype than substance. Physchim62 (talk) 15:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I can't comment on statements by the DHS, I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic. However, the BBC is reporting an upping of security at all UK airports, especially on transatlantic flights (hence the second suggested blurb). Would you feel differently if we took the word "bomb" out? HJMitchell You rang? 15:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go on then, I'll support A Nigerian national is detained in the United States after a failed terrorist attack aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253. (note word change: we can call it a terrorist attack even if it turns out he was a lone nutcase). My problem with the second blurb is that the article doesn't have any details about new security checks. Physchim62 (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support having an item about this article, it's the lead headline on British news, e.g. Times, BBC, Guardian. I don't see why Wikipedia's news values should be out of step with the majority of the news media. Someone trying to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight is the kind of thing people would expect Wikipedia to highlight. 80.169.130.178 (talk) 17:36, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think the first one is better too, but I have added some information about the security restrictions. fetchcomms☛ 18:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support A significant attack that I suspect will be the top headline around the world in the majority of the world's newspapers.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Upgraded from oppose to Neutral because Fetchcomms deserves recognition. I just hope we can keep down the speculation as to motives. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:14, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure it is wise to say failed terrorist attack. --can dle •wicke 20:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a suggestion for better phrasing? HJMitchellYou rang? 20:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsuccessful incident? Unsuccessful attack? Attempted attack? --can dle •wicke 21:12, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is your issue with failed or with terrorist? If it's the former, it's easily changed, just a case of coming up with something better... HJMitchellYou rang? 21:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist I think. But failed terrorist attack suggests emotion and drama and sensation and everything Wikipedia ought not to do. Then again I'm not overly familiar with all the details of this event so it may be acceptable if others think so, just thought I would point it out. I'm sure someone will be along to post soon, this is not unusual and is probably made worse by the time of year. --can dle •wicke 22:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I wouldn't agree with you more. However, in this instance, it appears that someone boarded a transatlantic flight with some kind of flammable substance or explosive and attempted to ignite it in order to bring the plane down. It's confirmed in multiple RSs that the man was on terrorist watchlists (including the FBI's and possibly MI5's) and it looks as if al Qaeda or some subsidiary of it sponsored the attack from Yemen. I don;t see how we can avoid calling it "terrorism", as dramatic as it sounds. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:12, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it has been posted now and all mention of terrorism, failure and attack has been avoided. :) --can dle •wicke 22:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Posted Sorry to interrupt, but I posted this half an hour ago. I rarely think "terrorist attack" is appropriate for the Main Page. It would basically have to be the scale of Mumbai, London, Madrid, 9 11 for me to consider it, and, even if it were that obvious, I would prefer a description of what actually happened rather than a standard "terrorist attack" which could mean just about anything (as demonstrated here -- yes, he may have had an intent to destroy the aircraft, but compare intent with ability to do so). Also, according to the article, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security hasn't officially called it an attempted terrorist attack yet. Also, I should say I didn't think it was important to mention the passenger was Nigerian, especially as the second word in the blurb. Lastly, I think it's useful to mention the cities the flight was flying between, but I'd be okay with saying "between the Netherlands and the United States". I imagine someone may add USA to the Detroit, Michigan, description, or replace Michigan with USA, but we could be here all day debating that (although to be honest, I think Detroit could have even gotten the point across too). -- tariqabjotu 22:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St Mel's Cathedral, Longford

The resignation of bishops has become an every day event but I'm fairly sure the burning down of 19th century cathedrals is not (yet). Best to keep watch on this, particularly if it turns out to be arson but, even if it is an accident, it is still the loss of a very old building and presumably all of its contents. --can dle •wicke 11:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Comment. One to keep an eye on, definitely. I'd support if it turns out to be arson, but I'd be worried about international significance if it is just an accident. Physchim62 (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazareth discovery

Reposting from December 22 to confirm support. Physchim62 (talk) 11:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Archeologists uncover house in Nazareth dating to time of Jesus. Links: Jpost.com Guardian Timesonline Fox News TouLouse (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update needed at Nazareth#Attractions. TouLouse (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds as a Christmas-time article... Unless anything really remarkable is found, I oppose. --Tone 14:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: agreed. sephia karta di mi 18:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A "first" dating from a long time ago. --can dle •wicke 01:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Candlewicke. Would be nice to add perhaps tomorrow or Friday. Wizardman 06:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have an update so it's pointless to discuss further until there is one... --Tone 09:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazareth#Early Common Era has been updated: there is even a reference to the official excavation report. I Support, especially after reading that section of the article: it appears that there is some dispute as to whether Nazareth even existed in Jesus' time, so this discovery sheds light onto that question. Just as important, say, as many of the fossil discoveries that make it into ITN (and much more notable than most space launches). Physchim62 (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when the article is updated. -Plasma Twa 2 07:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Even if there were an update, it's not that remarkable a story. This kind of discovery is far from unique and if it happened at any other time of year or anywhere else in the world, it wouldn't get on ITN- even on a slow news day. HJMitchell You rang? 18:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liu Xiaobo

[BBC] Leading Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo has been jailed for 11 years for "inciting subversion of state power", after a trial condemned in the West.--02:46, 25 December 2009 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.73.49.209 (talk • contribs)

support - most well known dissident in China Shiplevelone (talk) 06:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

support - Liu is the greatest human right activist in China--1j1z2 (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The trial got a lot of coverage worldwide. Physchim62 (talk) 11:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Belated support. The photo is free if you want to change the goat after Christmas. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of George Michael

"Now, George's voice has been silenced the only way it could be". Was he important enough? CNN says he was a "pioneer" at what he did anyway. The New York Times seems to agree. Oh well, I'll nominate it anyway to see what people think. --can dle •wicke 02:30, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Hardly a pioneer in my opinion. --Plasma Twa 2 02:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

support significant in his field (sports broadcasting). The article, however, could use some updating. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 04:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, not an overly significant death. Wizardman 04:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peru

A lot of the deaths for one road accident. --can dle •wicke 02:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually RIA Novosti are quoting a local website in saying that there are many more people involved than CNN think. Press TV are calling it the deadliest accident of the year for Peru. --can dle •wicke 02:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now The article is in poor shape. When it is expanded, and all the red links are gone, I will support this. It sure it a good Christmas item, isn't it? :P --Plasma Twa 2 05:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per number of deaths - TouLouse (talk) 20:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Christmas Winter Storm

Twelve deaths, six in Nebraska alone. Huge ongoing storm. --Rave bmp (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The death toll now stands at 18, according to the BBC; although, the Associated Press is reporting 19 deaths. APK whisper in my ear 21:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 24

December 24, 2009 (Thursday)

Pope Benedict XVI is knocked down by a woman during a procession before the Christmas Eve Mass at St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican City. He is uninjured, but Roger Cardinal Etchegaray suffers a hip fracture. (Sky News) (BBC)
At least 40 people are killed and many injured after a tour bus plunges into a ravine near Cuzco, Peru. (CNN) (UPI) (Xinhua)
Iran says it is to invalidate banknotes which have been pasted with slogans in the name of the Opposition by 8 January 2010. (BBC)
The Indian Army kills nine members of the Peoples Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak and Kanglei Yana Kan Lup during three incidents in Manipur. (Times of India) (BBC)
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signs a decree ordering a 20% cut of staff at the Interior Ministry after a series of scandals involving the police. (RIA Novosti) (Reuters)
China sentences a further five people to death over riots in Ürümqi, Xinjiang in July, bringing the total number of people sentenced to death to 22. (Al Jazeera) (IOL)
Vietnamese authorities charge human rights lawyer Le Cong Dinh with attempts to "overthrow the state". (BBC) (MSN Malaysia)
Turkish police arrest over 43 campaigners and members of the banned Kurdish Communities Union in raids. (Today's Zaman) (Deutsche Welle)
At least three bodies have been recovered and 23 are missing after a collision between a ferry and a fishing boat in the Philippines. (Philippine Star)^{[permanent dead link]} (CBC)
A suicide bomb attack kills at least eight people in Kandahar, Afghanistan. (BBC)
Bomb attacks in the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Hilla leave 23 dead. (Al Jazeera) (BBC)
Thousands of Christian pilgrims gather in Bethlehem in the West Bank to mark Christmas. (BBC) (Reuters) (Jewish Telegraphic Agency)
Niger issues arrest warrants for three opposition leaders including a former President, as it condemns the Economic Community of West African States' refusal to recognise the legitimacy of President Mamadou Tandja. (BBC) (African Press Agency)^{[permanent dead link]} (allAfrica.com)
The Archbishop of York, John Sentamu speaks out against a bill being debated in Uganda that would outlaw homosexuality. (BBC)
The United States Senate passes a health-care bill expected to extend insurance coverage to 30 million additional Americans, in a party-line vote, 60-39. (BBC)(CNN)
An Israeli man is shot dead by Palestinian gunmen in the northern West Bank. (The Jerusalem Post)
At least 30 suspected Al-Qaeda militants are killed in an airstrike in Shabwah Governorate, Yemen. (Yemen News Agency) (AFP) (BBC)
Venezuela orders businesses to cut electricity consumption by 20% as droughts threaten generation capacity at the 10.2 gigawatt Guri hydroelectric power station. (BBC News) (Merco Press)
The Greek parliament approves emergency cuts in government spending for 2010 in an attempt to reduce the country's budget deficit. (Financial Times) (BBC News)
A lawsuit is threatened against the Indonesian Navy and International Organization for Migration after a 29-year-old Sri Lankan asylum seeker is allowed to die through medical negligence after vomiting blood and having a seizure in Indonesia. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
Hewlett-Packard admits face detection software on its laptops has trouble detecting dark-skinned faces, leading to casual claims of racism by some. (Christian Science Monitor) (BBC) (TechWeb)

ITN candidates for December 24

Afghan bombing

A suicide bomb attack kills at least eight people in Kandahar, Afghanistan. HJMitchell You rang? 17:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a suicide bombing in Afghanistan is hardly news anymore. --Plasma Twa 2 00:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq bombings

Bomb attacks in the Iraqi cities of Baghdad and Hilla leave 23 dead. HJMitchell You rang? 16:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose --Plasma Twa 2 00:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It usually takes about 100 to die in Iraq these days. Is there anything unusual about this attack? --can dle •wicke 02:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US Senate vote on Healthcare reform

I was wondering if this would meet the criteria for ITN? I know it is an American-government story, but if this passes it could lead to the biggest change in US healthcare in decades. This is a key moment in a debate that has strong opionions from both sides, and I think that the scope of such a reform (It could affect millions of uninsured Americans) makes it important enough to be put on ITN, though I think that it should only be put up if it passes. Any thoughts? --Plasma Twa 2 09:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose. It's domestic politics, and not exactly revolutionary at that. If we started featuring such stories, we'd be inundated with 'major' domestic issues from several countries each week. Modest Genius ^talk 09:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think it's more ITN-worthy than most domestic legal changes. The debate has attracted plenty of attention worldwide. Having said that, I don't think we should post it until the reform has passed all the stages in Congress, which isn't what's happening today. Physchim62 (talk) 10:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure how the process works, so thanks for pointing out that this isn't the final step. I assumed it was, but all I really had to read was a BBC article. If that's true, then I think we should wait as well. --Plasma Twa 2 10:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, well, we were gonna have to debate this sooner or later. Yes, it is a US domestic story, and I would accept that as a reason not to post it, but there are always exceptions. The US healthcare debate has gotten tremendous coverage outside the US. The Guardian website has a whole section devoted to it. The popularity of Michael Moore's Sicko demonstrates the strong interest in the US healthcare system. Plus, I think a reasonable argument could be made that the reforms will have global impact on related industries such as medical research, pharmaceuticals or insurance. I support when and bill is signed and if the article is good and if the final bill is viewed as significant reform. In that event, I will vote strong support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add my support if the above conditons are met. This will affect millions of people and I believe we would feature a similar story that would take place in China or India, for example. --Tone 12:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose'. It's a US domestic issue which, in itself, is reason enough not to post it. However, what we're really talking about, if I understand correctly, is the senate has agreed to consider thinking about passing this massive chunk of paper into law. I'm not an expert on American politics so correct me if I'm wrong but, even if they do pass it, it doesn't become law. I'll support when Obama's signature is on the bottom because I understand its significance, but until then, as I say, strong oppose. HJMitchellYou rang? 14:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. The House and Senate versions of the bill still have to be made identical, and that version of the bill must then pass both chambers. Once the final version passes Congress, I will be a strong support. The Globe and Mail in Toronto today called this the biggest change to U.S. social policy since the 1960s, and the issue has dominated the news in the U.S. (and been well-covered elsewhere) this year. -- 199.172.169.21 (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, the bill still needs to be conferenced, so nothing will be done til at least the new year. Once it passes both houses and President Obama signs it, then it should be posted. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 17:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. Agree this should be ITN when it gets through conference. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when it is finalised. Agree with points made by Johnsemlak, Tone. --can dle •wicke 18:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hijras

The Supreme Court of Pakistan orders the government to recognize hijras (eunuchs and transgender individuals) as a distinct gender. (BBC News)

Much more notable as an LGBT topic than the gay marriage/gay mayor nominations we've been having recently, IMHO. Physchim62 (talk) 00:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have never heard of a government recognizing a third gender. That short sentence makes me want to go to page and learn more. Seems like a good one to me. --Plasma Twa 2 00:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is not an everyday event. --can dle •wicke 01:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs updating, and it is tagged for lack of citations.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: they have received a certain level of recognition in India also. I would support including this, but I wonder what exactly the news is now, since the article seems to say that the Supreme Court already passed this judgement in July. Wouldn't be the first time that the BBC was slow to catch up.sephia karta di mi 02:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The story is definitely from yesterday, but it's not 100% clear what the story is! See these reports [9][10] from the Pakistani press. If the BBC is right, this goes beyond the recognition given in India, which is what prompted me to nominate it. Physchim62 (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support if this really is new news. Article "refimprove" removed, two "citations needed" sourced. Hermaphrodite is the word in my experience. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:21, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True biological hermaphroditism is very rare in humans: "intersex" seems to be the term used (at least by activists) to cover a range of medical conditions as well as other gender identity questions. Physchim62 (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Article is updated. Google says there are 14 articles, but I only found three--one of them, the Examiner, is on our spam list, so there are only two sources: BBC News and Reuters. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well did you check Pakistani papers ? News just going on right behind me.--yousaf465' 03:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times added, that makes three. Google Pakistan only lists these English sources. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully more news will arrive in few more mins. Newspapers usually get updated in next hour or so.--yousaf465' 03:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. The News International had a good story. I am quitting for the night. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the updates. I think now an admin need a final review before posting it.--yousaf465' 04:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a short while to look at it... --BorgQueen (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now that's an ITN-worthy LGBT story! Listing countries that recognize gay marriages or elect gay officials is not that special anymore so that we should list every one of them. Since it's been posted already, adding my belated support. --Tone 09:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Rafael Caldera

Perhaps we should have the death of former Venezuelan president, Rafael Caldera for today? Connormah (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - that should be on ITN. TouLouse (talk) 19:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Agree. He was in power during the 1960s, 1970s and returned in the 1990s. Also "liberated Chávez from prison"? --can dle •wicke 21:01, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the other death is removed when replaced by then, then I can support it. Wizardman 21:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Caldera is historically important to Venezuela. The other deaths on ITN are irrelevant. --Plasma Twa 2 00:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This would appear to indicate he was very important. Probably one of the major political deaths of the year. --can dle •wicke 02:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded it as much as possible with sources considering there is very little detail. There is an image which I have added here so that it can be used from the 26th onwards when Christmas is over and the goat is not as relevant. Suggest: Former President of Venezuela Rafael Caldera dies at the age of 93. --can dle •wicke 02:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting. It will replace one of the current death blurbs per Wizardman's request. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 23

December 23, 2009 (Wednesday)

Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin Jim Moriarty resigns, the second bishop to do so following the publication of the Murphy Report. (RTÉ) (BBC) (Bangkok Post)^{[permanent dead link]}
39-year-old Russian Orthodox priest Father Alexander Filippov is fatally shot in the back outside his home in Satino-Russkoye after challenging a group of drunks who were urinating in his hallway. (BBC) (Radio Free Europe) (The Age)
Gävle's giant straw goat — a traditional symbol of yuletide in Scandinavia — is burned down for the 24th time. (The Daily Telegraph) (Reuters Africa) (BBC) (USA Today)
President of Liberia Ellen Johnson Sirleaf voluntarily imprisons herself in Bella Yalla prison, an old maximum security prison in the northern jungle, which is to be renamed and turned into a museum. (BBC)
Farouk Adamu Aliyu of the All Nigeria Peoples Party initiates legal action in a bid to tempt the unwell President of Nigeria Umaru Yar'Adua, who is hospitalised in Saudi Arabia, to resign the position on health grounds. (BBC)
Clashes between police and protesters take place in the Iranian city of Isfahan at a memorial service for Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazeri. (Al Jazeera) (The Times)
American Airlines Flight 331, with 154 people onboard, overshoots the runway at Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston, Jamaica, injuring 44. (Jamaica Observer) (AFP) (China Daily)
The trial of Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo on charges of subversion begins. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (Times of India)
A Dutch court hears a case taken by Kurdish survivors of poison gas attacks in Halabja against businessman Frans van Anraat, who sold chemicals to Saddam Hussein during the 1980s. (BBC) (Radio Nederland Wereldomroep)
Shia insurgency in Yemen led to the deaths of 73 Saudi soldiers, while more than 100 Houthis have been killed in recent days. (The New York Times) (The Christian Science Monitor) (AFP) (Press TV) (The Christian Science Monitor)
The body of Luis Francisco Cuéllar, the governor of Caquetá department in Colombia kidnapped the previous day, is found. (Colombia Reports) (BBC) (Reuters)
Afghan senator Mohammed Yunos Shirnagha and his son/driver are fatally shot by police in Puli Khumri, Baghlan Province. (BBC) (The New York Times) (Press TV) (CBC News)
Authorities in Uzbekistan fell trees, some of which are more than a century old, in the capital Tashkent, in a controversy which has drawn protests. (BBC)
Soyuz TMA-17, carrying an international crew of one Russian, one American and one Japanese astronaut, docks with the International Space Station. (RIA Novosti) (BBC)
The United Nations imposes sanctions of a ban on arms importation and frozen bank accounts on Eritrea for supporting Somali rebels. (Reuters) (The Times) (RIA Novosti)
The Supreme Court of Pakistan orders the government to recognise hijras (eunuchs and transgender individuals) as a distinct gender. (BBC News)

ITN candidates for December 23

Severe Tropical Cyclone Laurence

renominating from below to gain further input HJMitchell You rang? ~~Due to strike the Australia coast as a Category 5. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 04:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)~~ Struck the Australia coast as a category 5 tropical cyclone. Damage reported. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 16:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How much damage? Where? Are there any injuries? It's difficult to form an opinion on whether it should feature on ITN until we have those details. HJMitchellYou rang? 16:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support - It made its final landfall near Mandora Station in WA @ about 08.30 (UTC) this morning and its far too early too talk about damage injuries etc since youre talking about most of Australia being affected by Laurence but with a category five cyclone @ landfall we are told to expect widespread damage.Jason Rees (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'll almost certainly support then. When we have the facts. I'd be uneasy about featuring "expected damage" on ITN but once we know something tangible, it should probably be featured. I'll keep an eye out, but post back here if you find something first. HJMitchellYou rang? 19:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No injuries reported thus far though significant damage has been reported. We will know more soon as a helicopter has been aranged to conduct an aerial assessment of the coastline which should be taking off @ 0000 UTC.Jason Rees (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now updated with "Laurence wrought severe damage. Numerous trees were uprooted by wind gusts reaching 285 km/h (177 mph) and several homes sustained substantial damage. Rainfall in the region was estimated to have exceeded 250 mm (9.8 in). Power and phone service to most of Pilbara was lost during the storm and several residents sought shelter in public buildings." and has the source Associated Press. Ks0stm^(T•C•G) 20:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'll support now. It appears to have been adequately updated and we actually have something to report now. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. It doesn't seem particularly out of the ordinary for Australian tropical storms. Firts category 5 storm since 2007… and only a category 4 on the more commonly used SSHS. We already have one weather item with nearly a hundred deaths; now you're proposing "substantial damage to several houses". Doesn't seem like ITN material to me: Oppose. Physchim62 (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. We regularly don't report disasters that kill people so this doesn't seem that notable to me, though rather dramatic.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose similarly. sephia karta di mi 02:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gävle goat

The Gävle goat, a 13-metre high yule goat in Gävle, Sweden, is burnt down in the 24th such arson attack since 1966.

How about a Christmas item? Apparently this happens pretty much every year, which is a WTF sort of piece in itself! Physchim62 (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's Christmas so why the hell not? HJMitchellYou rang? 22:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support and the photo is Creative Commons. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, in case we want to have a Christmas item with a picture... Though it is about an arson... but apparently this is a tradition already. I won't oppose here but I suggest that if it is featured on ITN, it should only be on the 25th. --Tone 23:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As long as you mean okay on December 25th and aren't inviting the next arson. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Need an 'animal' story, even if it's not real, and it's likely to be burnt. Also never heard of this 'goat' before. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So this plus the Nazareth story under 22 December for 25 December then (if updated)? --can dle •wicke 01:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we shouldn't put something up just because it is Christmas. --Plasma Twa 2 01:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not forget that there's a risk of ITN going a bit 'stale' over the holiday season. That's a valid reason (for me) to post stories that probably wouldn't make it at other times of the year. The Nazareth story has been updated, BTW. Physchim62 (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would support the Nazareth story, because it is an important discovery. I would not support this. I don't find anything newsworthy about this, save the fact it is the first traditional arson that I have ever heard of. --Plasma Twa 2 02:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it is the first traditional arson you have ever heard of then it is unusual. It is also the first traditional arson I have heard of. --can dle •wicke 05:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unusual, maybe, but so is the Poe Toaster. I also recall they do something like this every year at Burning Man. The argument that this should go up because it is Christmas themed is a flawed and would never work if suggested for Halloween or Thanksgiving. Besides, the Nazareth item is much more appropriate and encyclopedic. --Plasma Twa 2 07:03, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(redent): I can't see how this is completely unnewsworthy. Would we be debating the significance if it were the Christmas Tree in Trafalgar Square or at the Rockefeller Center that was destroyed by arson? The tradition of yule goats is maybe less widespread than that of Christmas trees, but it's important in Scandinavia and the yule goats at Gävle are the biggest anywhere (13 m, 42 ft high this year, just short of the all time record). And unlike the Burning Man, the Gävle goat isn't supposed to be set on fire (at least, that's the official line: I'm sure the tradition does no harm to the Gävle tourist industry!) It's a news story that makes people want to click on the link and find out more, which is surely a good thing for ITN. Physchim62 (talk) 10:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well said Physchim. This is something different, slightly odd and (shock, horror!) festive and seasonal. Let's have a sense of humour and post this! HJMitchellYou rang? 14:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Time to post this, Nazareth and why not the Pope as well? TFA, DYK, OTD and TFP have all gone Christmassy. :) --can dle •wicke 00:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Pope fell down. The only notable part is that he didn't break his hip. --Plasma Twa 2 00:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --Allen3^talk 00:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazareth (under 22 December) also has support for this day. --can dle •wicke 02:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Arnold Stang

Not sure about this one, it's something different, but he was the voice of Top Cat and The New York Times says he had "a singular and recognizable persona, whether on radio or television, in the movies or in advertisements, or even in cartoons" so he was in a lot of places. The LA Times says he "never officially retired". --can dle •wicke 21:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not really at the "top of his profession". Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He actually died on Sunday. I was considering nominating him myself but thought it may have been a little late, but hey- support. Top of his profession, perhaps not, but Top Cat, to the best of my (very limited) knowledge, is iconic both sides of the Atlantic. HJMitchell You rang? 22:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, not even close to front-page worthy. Wizardman 22:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

would you care to provide a ratioanle as to why not? HJMitchell You rang? 22:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I didn't even know what Top Cat was, and I live on one of those sides of the Atlantic. --Plasma Twa 2 22:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I live on one of these sides of the Atlantic too and the BBC (which mentions it in its headline) is also on one of these sides of the Atlantic and we have heard of Top Cat. However, perhaps all sides have not. --can dle •wicke 01:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a minor bit of pop culture. Oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Hanna-Barbera is far from the best of cartoons. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Mohammad Younus

The senator was shot by police. His son/driver was also killed. A third person was wounded. An investigation has been ordered. --can dle •wicke 21:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Afghan politician, but not really internationally significant. No article. Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reluctant oppose. Having a WP article is not a measure of notability. That said, I don't think he meets the death criteria and the incident itself is not that significant IMHO. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the 'No Article' point above wasn't a statement of notability, but rather of the fact that w/o an article we can't post it in ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but it's still no reason to oppose when one could be so easily created. HJMitchellYou rang? 23:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean it to be an absolute criterion: as HJMitchell quite rightly points out, we can always create an article if the news story is significant enough, as was done this morning for Luis Francisco Cuéllar. On the other hand, I would expect that a subject who would pass the death criteria would already have an article, and so the lack of an article is an invitation to consider whether the subject is really notable enough for ITN. In this case, given the standing of the victim and the circumstances of the death, the answer is "no" for me. Physchim62 (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What circumstances? He was killed by the police. Is it not very like an Afghan version of Cuéllar (who did not have an article when his death was announced)? --can dle •wicke 01:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Younus was killed by police when he refused to stop at a checkpoint, which is a dangerous sport in many countries, not least Afghanistan. As for Cuéllar, we would probably have run the item on the kidnapping even if he hadn't been killed: he was the most senior politician to have been kidnapped in Colombia since 2002. As Cuéllar was killed (unusual for a high-profile hostage), we can hardly run the kidnapping story without mentioning the death, but the death criteria don't really come ito that case. Physchim62 (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Ike Aranne (formerly Yitzhak Aronowicz)

"made a unique contribution to the state of Israel". At the centre of an "iconic" international incident which has inspired at least one novel and at least one film. Was interviewed just last November so was relevant recently. --can dle •wicke 20:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does Wikipedia even have an article on this guy? The closest I found was Yitzhak Aharonovich, and his article is not updated to say he is dead, nor makes mention of an 'iconic' international incident. --Plasma Twa 2 20:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose He might have made a "unique" contribution to the state of Israel, but it was a relatively minor one and a long time ago. No article, although there is a redlink in SS Exodus, which seems to indicate that nobody though he was significant enough to bother. Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like to think it is just that nobody has gotten round to adding him (or other examples of red links) yet. He may be from an area which does not have many Wikipedians. :) --can dle •wicke 01:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Space!

Soyuz TMA-17. Since we feature all the space launches... --Tone 09:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose because we shouldn't… Physchim62 (talk) 09:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. We seem to feature everything that happens in space, no matter how trivial and we should save it for more significant events. This has happened before, it'll happen again and it's not really that big a deal. HJMitchellYou rang? 13:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with above. We should have some criteria. So, I would suggest a guideline like... space flights that are something special (like the last flight of the shuttle some time next year or in two years) and those missions that bring up some important new equipment (like missions to other planets etc.) --Tone 15:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly we'd need to remove the space exploration section from WP:ITNR – we should probably remove the meteor showers section at the same time, given recent opposes. That way, each space mission would have to be debated here on its merits. For me, the criterion is that there has to be something different about a mission for it to go on ITN – the subject shouldn't make me think "so what?" or, if it does, I would expect to find the answer to "so what?" in the article. Physchim62 (talk) 18:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs expansion, so it's currently not eligible for posting despite ITNR status. I think that's a key point about ITNR--events on that list are only posted if the articles are suitably expanded and referenced. I don't have a huge problem with the current policy of posting all space launches when the articles are up to scratch. Many people do find these events very significant.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the ITNR entry needs looking at. We should certainly be featuring new space telescopes, interplanetary probes, first flight of a new rocket etc., but probably not the launch of every communication satellite or ISS supplies / crew changeover. Modest Genius ^talk 10:03, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Francisco Cuellar

Kidnapped Colombian governor found dead. "The most high profile politician abducted since President Alvaro Uribe came to power in 2002". --can dle •wicke 00:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support if updated. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 06:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Plasma Twa 2 08:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Francisco Cuellar, governor of Caquetá Department in Colombia, is found dead after being kidnapped at gunpoint.

The article is short, but meets the technical requirements. Physchim62 (talk) 11:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does. Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sa'dah insurgency

Although Sa'dah insurgency initially was a local conflict in Northern Yemen, it has turned into international one when Saudi Arabia sent its troops to the region and the United States participated in it.--Seyyed(t-c) 10:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was featured on 6 November with the following blurb: "The Sa'dah insurgency, a civil war in Yemen, spreads into Saudi Arabia." There seems to be little significant development since then, however often it appears in P:CE. In fact, I get the impression that some editors are trying to use Wikipedia to fight their propaganda battles. As such, Strong Oppose until something actually happens. Physchim62 (talk) 16:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Schumacher

Something a bit different to what ITN usually posts, but how about "Seven-time Formula One Champion Michael Schumacher announces he is returning to the sport from next season"? -93.97.122.93 (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is with the word "announces". Though an interesting story, ITN features only solid facts - like if he wins another major race, there should be no problem in putting this on. But not at the moment. --Tone 20:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Tone on this one. oppose. Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Sorry but wait until he does something. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not notable. It's 75% the car anyway YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 23:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 22

December 22, 2009 (Tuesday)

Sudan's parliament approves a law on a possible referendum on Southern Sudan's independence. (Al Jazeera) (AFP)
Maoist supporters in Nepal set a one month deadline for the formation of a unity government, vowing to launch an indefinite strike if the demand was not met. (AFP) (Asian Tribune)
A suicide bomb attack in Peshawar, north-western Pakistan, kills three and injures at least seventeen. (BBC)
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation releases more than 300 pages of previously classified documents belonging to pop icon Michael Jackson who died earlier in the year. (BBC) (The Daily Telegraph)
Eight Russian circus tigers and a lioness are found dead in Yakutsk having succumbed to intense heat while embarking on a 20-hour drive across Siberia. One dog survives. (BBC)
Eurostar finally resumes services after three days of continent-wide weather-related outages. (Financial Times)
Serbia formally submits its application to join the European Union. (Tanjug)^{[permanent dead link]} (BBC)
It is revealed that the fugitive brother of Gerry Adams has been located in County Sligo after the politician appeals for him to make his whereabouts known. (RTÉ) (BBC)
Two sheriff's deputies are injured and a suspect dies in a shooting in Pierce County, Washington, United States. (San Francisco Chronicle)
An armed conflict in Dungu (Dongo), Équateur Province of Democratic Republic of the Congo has escalated. By 10 December the conflict has left 100 dead and forced 115 000 people to flee their homes. (Algoa FM)
A priest in York causes controversy when he says shoplifting from large national chain stores is acceptable in certain circumstances. (The Irish Times)

ITN candidates for December 22

Pashawar bombing

A suicide bomb attack in Peshawar, north-western Pakistan kills three and injures at least seventeen. HJMitchell You rang? 20:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose suicide bombings are fairly common in that part of the world, unfortunately. And this one is relatively small. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 21:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed they are, but that shouldn't make this event any less significant, especially since the last significant attack was nearly 2 months ago. If it was a week or two ago, I might feel differently. HJMitchell You rang? 23:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Peek

Kim Peek, the autistic savant who inspired the Oscar-winning film Rain Man, has died, aged 58. --Hapsala (talk) 13:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose; he simply doesn't meet our death criteria. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. We can't feature the death of every notable person, hence the death criteria. HJMitchell You rang? 15:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. May this individual be left in peace for once. A quick reading of the gutter side of Wikipedia shows that the film was not "inspired" by the sadly deceased, although the scriptwrighter did meet the person concerned. Physchim62 (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As per above.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazareth discovery

Archeologists uncover house in Nazareth dating to time of Jesus. Links: Jpost.com Guardian Timesonline Fox News TouLouse (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update needed at Nazareth#Attractions. TouLouse (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds as a Christmas-time article... Unless anything really remarkable is found, I oppose. --Tone 14:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: agreed. sephia karta di mi 18:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A "first" dating from a long time ago. --can dle •wicke 01:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Candlewicke. Would be nice to add perhaps tomorrow or Friday. Wizardman 06:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have an update so it's pointless to discuss further until there is one... --Tone 09:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazareth#Early Common Era has been updated: there is even a reference to the official excavation report. I Support, especially after reading that section of the article: it appears that there is some dispute as to whether Nazareth even existed in Jesus' time, so this discovery sheds light onto that question. Just as important, say, as many of the fossil discoveries that make it into ITN (and much more notable than most space launches). Physchim62 (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when the article is updated. -Plasma Twa 2 07:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia- EU bid

Serbia has made a formal application to the European Union, which is currently comprised of twenty-seven member states. I doubt this will get much support but I think it's a significant milestone in European history. HJMitchell You rang? 03:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when the application is accepted. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As EU cannot afford another border dispute, Serbia's application wont be accepted before its the relations with Kosovo are settled... --Hapsala (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support significant enough whether they get in or not. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 05:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for now. Support when the application is accepted or rejected, either way it will be significant. The article will have to be updated first of course. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the moment. The formal application (which won't be handed over until later today) isn't really that much of a deal: far more significant was the unblocking of the EU–Serbia trade deal earlier in the month. Nor did we cover the applications of Albania or Iceland earlier in the year (admittedly, both smaller countries than Serbia). I would say the time to post these stories is when the accession treaty is signed (ie, when the negotiations are over): the next such treaty will probably be for Croatia at some point in 2010. Physchim62 (talk) 07:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the application. If Serbia joins the EU, we should post that.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose similarly. sephia karta di mi 18:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'd support when they become an official candidate country and start accession talks. And we did cover the referendum on Iceland. --Tone 14:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Iceland case is more significant as I don't think they had any intention of joining when they were having a good time. --can dle •wicke 01:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iceland was a bit different as well as there was a very real possibility that the measure wouldn't get through parliament (it was a parliamentary vote, not a referendum). I think I would support Tone's criterion (post when negotiations start) on that basis, as there's a fair chance that the accession talks will be delayed because of the ongoing Mladic case. Physchim62 (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dongo conflict

A significant event, MONUC is involved. Should attract attention. Olegwiki (talk) 14:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fighting around Dongo in the west of the Democratic Republic of the Congo causes 168,000 people to flee their homes.

~~115,000~~ 168,000 refugees (Bloomberg) seems significant to me, even if this has been going on for weeks now. Physchim62 (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Journalist killed

[11] Would like to have some comments on this one. --Tone 14:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. We don't feature the death of every journalist who dies a violent death- I'm sure there are plenty in China, Iran and many other places but we wouldn't feature them. HJMitchellYou rang? 17:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, deaths of journalists are rather common (68 in 2009). We can't post them all. There needs to be additional notability.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Brodeur breaks all-time shutout record

New Jersey Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur earned his 104th career shutout surpassing Terry Sawchuk as the all-time shutout leader. Links: [12] This isn't just another record, it was never expected to be broken and won't be again anytime soon. A significant achievment. Kyle Falcon 11:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support sephia karta di mi 18:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This does not seem like that significant a sporting event. The record seems significant, but this is "in the News", not the Guiness Book of Records and we only have room to feature the most significant events. However, I maintain we need a separate area of the main page to feature this kind of thing. HJMitchellYou rang? 20:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support When Barry Bonds took over the home run record it was put up, though when Brodeur captured the most wins record it didn't. This is the last major goaltender award he needed to win. It was a record that has stood for over thirty years and like Kyle Falcon said was never expected to be broken. --Plasma Twa 2 22:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. A more apt baseball comparison would be when Trevor Hoffman broke the all-time saves record. A good job, but not front-page worthy. A blurb in the daily ITN itself though I could be persuaded on. Wizardman 22:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. Its a big record, but it's not on the same page as Bond's home run record, Cy Young's wins record (that will really never be broken), Rose's hits record, Gretzky's goals record, etc. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 22:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support As big as Bonds, and without the aid of performance enhancing drugs. Grsz¹¹ 00:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Whilst this is big in ice hockey (I know, I play it), it's not something of interest to anyone who isn't a fan of the sport. Frankly I don't think any of the records listed by DC should be listed, were they to be achieved today. In team sports, individual records are interesting to fans but no-one else. Modest Genius^talk 16:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not of interest to non-hockey fans.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not of interest is not a valid argument. FC Barcelona is not of interest to non-soccer fans. --Plasma Twa 2 22:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, leaving aside the issue that soccer is far more popular than hockey, FC Barcelona's victories are of great interest to many people who don't follow soccer. IMO a key criteria for a sports event is when it trancends the interest of the established fan base of the particular sport.--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the point. When the 100m world record is broken, people are interested even if they normally don't care about athletics. That should be our standard - sports stories need to be of interest beyond just that sport's fans (whether the barcelona story actually does that I'm kinda neutral on tbh). Modest Genius ^talk 10:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 21

December 21, 2009 (Monday)

A police officer in Washington, D.C, draws a gun during a snowball fight. (BBC)
Mexico City's Legislative Assembly legalizes same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption. (BBC) (Guardian)
Remains of the first dwelling in Nazareth that can be dated back to the time of Jesus have been found by Israeli archaeologists. (The Jerusalem Post)
At least 29 people freeze to death in Poland. (BBC)
At least 30 people have been killed in violence in the Nigerian state of Nasarawa. (BBC) (AFP) (allAfrica.com)
North Korea establishes a "peacetime firing zone" on the Northern Limit Line maritime border with South Korea, threatening to fire shells in South Korean territorial waters. (Yonhap) (RIA Novosti) (AFP) (UPI)
The United Nations Security Council lifts an arms embargo on Liberia imposed during the reign of Charles Taylor in 2003. (Liberian Observer) (African Press Agency)^{[permanent dead link]}
Mister Bolivia wins Mister International 2009 at the end of the two-week event in Taiwan. (BBC)
Two firefighters are hurt fighting a fire as St. James's Gate Brewery is engulfed by flames which send clouds of smoke across Dublin. (RTÉ) (Sky News) (Reuters)
At least 10 people are killed in a rain of mortar shells during the first meeting of MPs in Mogadishu since August 2009. (BBC) (AFP)
The Sudan People's Liberation Movement, the ruling party in Southern Sudan, criticises a new security law passed by the central government, saying it could undermine the 2010 elections. (Sudan Tribune) (BBC)
Unknown gunmen in Lebanon open fire on a bus carrying Syrian workers, killing one person. (Al Jazeera) (Press TV) (Al Bawaba)
Madagascar's President Andry Rajoelina abandons the power sharing agreement after appointing a new military Prime Minister, Colonel Vital Albert Camille. (BBC) (Reuters India)
Burma's Supreme Court agrees to review the extension of the house arrest on National League for Democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi. (AP) (IOL)
The funeral of Grand Ayatollah Hosein-Ali Montazeri takes place in the Iranian city of Qom, as anti-government protests and clashes take place. (BBC) (Angola Press) (AP) (Press TV)
Eurostar is suspended indefinitely due to the heavy snowfall affecting continental Europe. (BBC) (CNN)
Polish police arrest five men and recover the stolen Arbeit macht frei sign that hung over the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz where millions were murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust (The Guardian) (The Jerusalem Post)
Severe Tropical Cyclone Laurence becomes a category 5 and strikes the Australian coast with winds of 285 km/h (177 mph). (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (Bureau of Meteorology bulletin)
The leaders of the three main UK political parties agree to stage the country's first ever live televised election debates ahead of the 2010 General Election.(BBC) (Telegraph.co.uk)

ITN candidates for December 21

Same-sex marriage in Mexico City

Mexico City's Legislative Assembly legalizes same-sex marriage, the first such recognition in Latin America. 201.137.75.71 (talk) 22:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If it is indeed the first recognition of its type in Latin America, it's highly significant. HJMitchellYou rang? 23:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 00:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Same-sex marriage in Mexico City may be the best link? GreenGourd (talk) 02:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 04:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm personally not so sure I would have supported this. It's just one city legalizing it (though admittedly a very large city). It's not the first city to do so in North America. Are we sure it is a first for Latin America? For me, in any case, 'Latin America' is somewhat vague as a geographic term, akin to 'Middle East'. Then there's precedent-do we now regularly post when cities legalize same sex marriage?--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, its not just a city, its the federal district, which is a lot closer to "state" status than (eg) its counterpart in the USA: elects federal senators in the same number as the states, head of government attends governors' conferences, etc. 201.137.209.173 (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. It also has a very sustantial population. Still, it's not nationwide.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, this should be posted only if it were nation-wide. Just one federal district is not that remarkable IMO (would apply the same criteria if it were about the US). I think we should remove it. --Tone 14:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Tone. While I fully support LGBT rights, we only feature nation-wide legalizations of same-sex marriages. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with the above. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 22:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support inclusion. From the point of view of same-sex couples, it doesn't matter what government level legalised their marriage. The point is that there is now some part of Latin-America in which this is possible. I would not support inclusion of any further such legalisations in Latin-America, say hypothetically in the whole of Uruguay. sephia karta di mi 18:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT adoption was also legalized in the same session, if that's deemed worth including. 201.137.209.173 (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slight Oppose While this is a major even in gay rights in Latin America, it is only a federal district and not nationwide. I dislike being the guy who brings stuff up all the time, but when California legalized gay marriage for the short time, it was not put up because it was not a nationwide legalization. --Plasma Twa 2 01:21, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is different. --can dle •wicke 05:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Care to explain how? California and Mexico City are about the same population and are both sub-national entities. The only difference I see is that this is the first in Mexico, whereas in California's case it wasn't. --Plasma Twa 2 06:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The District of Columbia also recently voted to allow gay marriage, and no one nominated that. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 06:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems we don't have a full consensus here so it's better to remove it. Can someone else do it, I am short on time... --Tone 09:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would if I could. Cargoking talk ^{Happy Chirstmas} 09:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I wish we hadn't removed this; indeed, there seems to be fairly greater support than opposition here. (If we're going to require unanimous support, I fear for ITN!) In any event, the analogy between Distrito Federal and California (or D.C.) is unpersuasive to me. This was a first in Mexico—and in what is one of the cultural capitals of Latin America. Best wishes! GreenGourd (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, after reading through the comments, I think support/opposition is roughly even. --Plasma Twa 2 19:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support inclusion. There is a difference between "civil union" and "marriage". "Marriage" gives same sex couples equal rights, whereas "civil union" does not. This is the first time same sex marriage is legalised in a Catholic country, so it is is a major event. And the Federal District of Mexico City has more than 20 million inhabitants, which is more than many countries in the world. (More than twice compared to the country I live in.) And BorgQueen, remember that Wikipedia is not supposed to be censored, although people often try to censor it. Compared to some of the news that are shown now it is a much bigger event, or do you seriously think that "FC Barcelona wins the 2009 FIFA Club World Cup" is more important news?

I see eight supporting: 201.137..., HJMitchell, candle•wicke, GreenGourd, SusanLesch, Jake Wartenberg, sephia karta, David Göthberg.

I see six opposing: Johnsemlak, Tone, BorgQueen, DC, PlasmaTwa2, Cargoking.

I think this should be put back up.

--David Göthberg (talk) 19:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with censorship; it is about how we run ITN. I am not the one who decides what should be featured or what shouldn't. The consensus does. There are already quite a number of oppositions (Tone, Plasma Twa 2, Deserted Cities, Johnsemlak, Cargoking, and myself - and yes, that's "quite a number" here on ITN) and we do not post any item, be it LGBT-related, sports, politics, disasters, or whatever, when such a number of people express disapproval or concern. I am not the one who posted the football item, so I can't comment on it, but the item has been clearly supported by consensus and I see no problem with it. Please try to familiarize yourself with the ITN nomination process before blindly accusing anyone with exercising censorship. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Severe Tropical Cyclone Laurence

~~Due to strike the Australia coast as a Category 5. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 04:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)~~ Struck the Australia coast as a category 5 tropical cyclone. Damage reported. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 16:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How much damage? Where? Are there any injuries? It's difficult to form an opinion on whether it should feature on ITN until we have those details. HJMitchellYou rang? 16:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support - It made its final landfall near Mandora Station in WA @ about 08.30 (UTC) this morning and its far too early too talk about damage injuries etc since youre talking about most of Australia being affected by Laurence but with a category five cyclone @ landfall we are told to expect widespread damage.Jason Rees (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'll almost certainly support then. When we have the facts. I'd be uneasy about featuring "expected damage" on ITN but once we know something tangible, it should probably be featured. I'll keep an eye out, but post back here if you find something first. HJMitchellYou rang? 19:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No injuries reported thus far though significant damage has been reported. We will know more soon as a helicopter has been aranged to conduct an aerial assessment of the coastline which should be taking off @ 0000 UTC.Jason Rees (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now updated with "Laurence wrought severe damage. Numerous trees were uprooted by wind gusts reaching 285 km/h (177 mph) and several homes sustained substantial damage. Rainfall in the region was estimated to have exceeded 250 mm (9.8 in). Power and phone service to most of Pilbara was lost during the storm and several residents sought shelter in public buildings." and has the source Associated Press. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 20:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

renominated above to get further input

Iran violence

Violence has broken out at the funeral of Grand Ayatollah Hoseyn Ali Montazeri in the Iranian city of Qom. Might just be worth adding it to the existing blurb for his death. HJMitchell You rang? 16:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OPPOSE --220.101.28.25 (talk) 04:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, add it to the existing blurb. sephia karta di mi 18:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nigerian unrest

Thirty people are killed in violence in the central Nigerian state of Nasarawa. with the worst violence reported in the village of Udenin Gida. HJMitchell You rang? 16:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when there is an update. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi airstrike on Yemen

on previous day's P:CE but not nominated for ITN An airstrike by Saudi Arabia is reported to have killed at least 54 people in Yemen. HJMitchell You rang? 17:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when there is an update. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. Why this particular (alledged) Saudi airstrike? The one last week (alledgedly) killed seventy civilians… (BBC News) At the very least, it needs to be part of a story of an ongoing conflict: for the minute, I don't see a notable escalation. Physchim62 (talk) 21:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This conflict is ongoing since 2004 and has its own article: Sa'dah insurgency. What is news is that the U.S. launched air strikes last week in this part of Yemen against al Qaeda. Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists - ABC News. Argoq (talk) 03:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The extant of U.S. participation is very unclear. The air strike story disappeared almost immediately with later claims that it was U.S. cruise missiles, then U.S. advice and weapons supplied to Yemeni government troops. The Houthi meanwhile appear to be blaming several Saudi air strikes on U.S. planes. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 16:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 20

December 20, 2009 (Sunday)

Tanzania is hit by an earthquake measuring 6.2 magnitude. (Xinhua) (Press TV)
A crisis state of emergency is declared when at least three people are killed, hundreds are wounded and buildings collapse when an earthquake strikes Malawi. (The Sydney Morning Herald) (The Washington Post) (The New York Times)
Shi'ites say Saudi air attacks on northern Yemen have led to the deaths of 54 people, including women and children. (Reuters)
Madagascar President Andry Rajoelina appoints Colonel Vital Albert Camille as the new Prime Minister, days after sacking former Prime Minister Eugene Mangalaza, who had been appointed as part of a power sharing agreement. (BBC)
United States Army Major General Anthony Cucolo makes pregnancy a court-martial offense for both female and male troops under his command in northern Iraq. (BBC) (The Sydney Morning Herald)
Gerry Adams, in an interview with RTÉ, speaks for the first time about the abuse his father inflicted on his family. (BBC) (RTÉ) (The Observer)
A runaway truck kills up to 100 people at a market in Kogi State, Nigeria. (Vanguard) (BBC) (Xinhua)
Snowfall disrupts transport services and kills at least 18 people across Europe. (Deutsche Welle) (BBC) (Straits Times) (Ireland Online)^{[permanent dead link]}
Mourners pay their respects to drug baron Marcos Arturo Beltrán-Leyva days after he is shot dead by authorities. (Reuters)
Hundreds of riot police and Maoist protesters clash in the Nepalese capital Kathmandu on the first day of a three-day general strike. (Kantipur) (AFP)
Colombia and Venezuela move closer to war. (Reuters)
Philippine officials warn an eruption at the Mayon Volcano could happen within the next few days. (Manilla Bulletin) (AP)
Two people are killed and four people are wounded by flying concrete during a huge demolition of a Soviet war memorial in Georgia. (BBC) (The Washington Post)
American band Rage Against the Machine top the UK Christmas Singles Chart with 1992 song "Killing in the Name". Its popularity arose from an internet campaign to prevent X Factor winner Joe McElderry from topping the charts. (CNN)
Actress Brittany Murphy dies at age 32 of Pneumonia and iron deficiency

ITN candidates for December 20

December 2009 European snowfall

December 2009 European snowfall, death of 18 Europeans, closure or several European Airports and closure of the Channel tunnel. IJA (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is already on ITN, combined with a similar story in America. I would not mention the tunnel separately because they close it occasionally. Last year fire, for example. And yes, it's winter, it's really cold these days! --Tone 21:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's snowing! Cargoking talk 21:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If the United States is there why not Europe? More deaths, more countries. --can dle •wicke 22:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note. It is, it's combined with the US blurb, though there's a discussion on that at WP:ERRORS. HJMitchell You rang? 23:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Brittany Murphy

TouLouse (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sad, but I'll have to oppose here. Not meeting the requirements, besides, we don't want to have more than one obituary on ITN at the same time. --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with oppose. Young and tragic isn't enough to fit into the small space available at ITN. Dedicated news outlets have more space and so can cover more stories, but Wikipedia is not primarily a news outlet. Physchim62 (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with both the above. Tragic? Without doubt. ITN? Afraid not. We can't report the death of every prominent person, no matter how tragic, because we'd be doing it every day. The exceptions are (without checking the death criteria again) highly prominent or important persons in their field (world leaders, Nobel laureates, for example) and extremely notable deaths of prominent persons (for example an assassination). That said, we have Wikinews for exactly this kind of thing- they're always glad of an extra pair of hands over there. HJMitchellYou rang? 22:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was this person even as well known as Heath Ledger? --can dle •wicke 02:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who? Sorry, not really notable. Cargoking talk ^{Happy Chirstmas} 20:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rage Against the Machine

(BBC) The Rage Against the Machine song "Killing in the Name" is part of a successful grassroots campaign to become the Christmas number one in the United Kingdom and the best-selling download-only single of all time.

Not enough music or UK-centric stories as of late. Of some significance, as the campaign did break a couple of UK chart records in the process. Sceptre ^(talk) 19:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there aren't enough UK-centric stories at the minute, but there's nothing that important happening here (except snow at Heathrow airport which makes headline news even if it is December!) but this is not that significant IMHO, it's just a bunch of "anti-X Factorists" making a point, rather than anything about Rage Against the Machine. OpposeHJMitchellYou rang? 20:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per lack of music ITNs, the best-selling download-only single of all time thing and interest outside UK, The Irish Times, CNN, etc. --can dle •wicke 21:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose per HJMitchell. --Plasma Twa 2 21:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, nothing really special. --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support First time this sort of thing has happened in the UK, plus it is the first download only xmas number 1 IJA (talk) 21:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support This story has been gaining more and more momentum over the past week in the UK. Lugnuts (talk) 21:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good God NO. Sorry, but no thanks. Just some random thing. Cargoking talk 21:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike a trivial boxing record, some road accident and snow (in winter!), of course. Lugnuts (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to say it and to detract from issue, but that is hardly a strong argument (notice, for most, their absence from ITN) and badgering opposers is not goig to get you anywhere. Try opposing those threads. HJMitchell You rang? 22:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Rationale is below, if you need one. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The grassroots campaign is almost an aside to the chart records it broke (first Christmas #1 on downloads alone, best selling download-only single), and besides, the campaign has been prolific news since about Tuesday in the UK. Sceptre^(talk) 00:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And, if it helps, the front page of non-UK newspaper The Irish Times has called it "POSSIBLY the biggest chart upset ever", "only available on download" and "the closest race for the Christmas No 1 slot in more than a decade". --can dle •wicke 02:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, because apparently that cancels out a strong oppose ;). Seriously though, it's an example of the power of social networking defeating the power of one of the biggest television franchises in the world. That's a pretty notable event in the history of media. It also helps counter the recent passive anti-UK bias. Note that two of the opposes do not give any rational whatsoever, with a third dropping a simple per-nom, and a fourth deciding that GOOD GOD NO, JUST NO qualifies as a rationale. And HJ, this isn't really about Rage, who indeed did not initiate this. It is about the song, and the significance of the nature of its rise to prominence. WFCforLife (talk) 04:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You asked for my reason? Go to WikiNews. They accept any reasonable article. Sorry but I am not impressed by this one or by endless rhapsodizing on it. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose. Cool as it is, it's just christmas number one. So what? Modest Genius^talk 06:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some bloke on some website takes on the most influential man in British and American TV, and wins. Not to mention that it's the biggest story in the UK today, and that music and the UK have been underrepresented in recent weeks. And I replace my statement that "two editors have given no rationale", with "one has given no rationale, and one has responded "go to wikinews, I don't like this". WFCforLife (talk) 06:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Biggest story in the UK? It's not even leading the entertainment sections, let alone the main headlines. It was big on sunday evening (though as far as I am aware never a top story on any major news outlet), but that's because nothing else happened on sunday evening; as soon as monday rolled around and real news started up again, it dropped like a stone. Modest Genius ^talk 12:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's your rational? That the UK and music have been underrepresented? That is no reason to put something on itn. I opposed this because this isn't really news. Will this change the music industry? Just because "some bloke takes on the most infuential man in British and American TV" (Which I find debateable) doesn't make it all that notable. It is just a song; we didn't put up the last most-downloaded song when it reached the top. --Plasma Twa 2 07:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, strongly per Plasma, HJ, etc. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 07:33, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WFCforLife, Google decided it is the top in entertainment news, rather than the biggest story in the U.K. The fact remains unimpressive: "It is the first time in four years an X Factor winner has not been the Christmas No1." -SusanLesch (talk) 07:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose not notable, just something that sold a lot. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 22:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New record for women

In professional boxing. Sounds important and there aren't enough women on the Main Page, etc. --can dle •wicke 18:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I agree that there could be more stories about women but women boxing? Not my type of ITN... --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. What we really need is an "ITN Sport" for exactly this kind of notable occurance that, in my opinion, should not be on ITN itself. HJMitchellYou rang? 21:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with women boxing? I know nothing about it, am just curious. --can dle •wicke 02:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Runaway lorry kills 100

(BBC) A runaway lorry has hit a crowded market in Kogi State, Nigeria and killed up to 100 people (officials say 55, BBC reporter counted at least 100). An additional 40 people have been injured. I know we don't normally deal with road accidents but this terrible event seems to be something more than the run of the mill. No article that I could find on it yet - Dumelow (talk) 15:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support when article is created, imagine the impact of this if it had happened in Brittain. sephia karta di mi 17:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

support. 100 deaths is more than just a trivial road accident and yes, if this had happened in the west, it would be headline news of every reputable news outlet. HJMitchell You rang? 17:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when created. --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I don't have time this week to create the article, if anyone else would like to do so that would be great - Dumelow (talk) 11:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Hosein-Ali Montazeri

One of Iran's most prominent dissident clerics has died. "Hoseyn Ali Montazeri was a moving spirit in the 1979 revolution which created Iran's Islamic state", "One of Shia Islam's most respected figures, he was also a leading critic of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad". BBC correspondent says "the death comes at a crucial time in a standoff between the government and opposition". Reuters calls him "Iran's top dissident cleric". The Times refers to him as "Iran's most senior dissident cleric" and says he was "still respected by many Iranians". One of the main stories on CNN too. --can dle •wicke 09:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Not at all. But since it's my nomination one is bound to come along quite quickly if you leave it long enough. :P --can dle •wicke 12:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I don't have time now... ;( --can dle •wicke 12:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I think we should post it.--yousaf465' 13:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems like a very prominent figure in his religion. The article is in pretty good shape, and all the tenses have been changed, etc. There's not a lot to write about the death at the moment, but there may be more updating to do after the funeral tomorrow morning. Physchim62 (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support sephia karta di mi 17:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updated, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SAAB Automobilen - first luxury brand to be discontinued since Ford's Merkur in 1989

How about: U.S. based automaker General Motors decides to shut down operations at Swedish car manufacturer Saab (Saab 93 pictured). --Hapsala (talk) 07:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has been decided? Or has it been forced? --can dle •wicke 07:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Support --Plasma Twa 2 08:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Saab's a major car brand. What the heck is Merkur? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards support but the update is a bit short. Can someone add a few more sentences with a couple of references here? --BorgQueen (talk) 10:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the basis of this being worthy of high profile that a company is closing, or that a badge is being taken off the market? If the former, I would suggest that redundancy for 3,500 workers is sad, but far from unique in present circumstances; if the latter, I would suggest that the internecine ownership issues in the car industry, and the propensity of the trade to ressurect names, even where there is little continuity with the previous brand issues, it would be at the very least brave to suggest that there will never again be a car branded as a Saab. Kevin McE (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Spyker Cars has made a new offer, so this is still not final.[13]sephia karta di mi 17:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, let's see what comes of that. Whatever happens, I'd be inclined to support but we shouldn't feature it on ITN until we have all the facts. HJMitchellYou rang? 20:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Better to wait. --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unexpected results in Exoplanet search to be announced

The first results from the Kepler Mission are about to be announced: "I was not prescient enough to anticipate something that we're seeing," David Latham, a mission co-investigator from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told msnbc.com. "There are some good things coming." Looking for alien Earths? Here they come Argoq (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The whole point of the mission was to find "unexpected" things and they haven't exactly found little green men. If it makes some truly groundbreaking discovery, then of course it should be featured but until then, I'd say not. HJMitchellYou rang? 17:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what was that interesting thing they found? --Tone 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when they locate these aliens. --can dle •wicke 02:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:-) --Tone 09:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May be they've discovered that space aliens have been hacking into the UK Internet and downloading the latest Rage Against The Machine single… Physchim62 (talk) 09:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it was their latest at all. Lead single on debut album from 1992 is about as far back as you can go... but the UK having its own Internet? That's a discovery worthy of the Main Page... ;) --can dle •wicke 15:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So Argoq expects that the not-yet-announced results will be unexpected? Do they know something we don't? Oppose until something interesting gets published in a peer-reviewed journal, as always for science stories. Modest Genius ^talk 12:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

December 19, 2009 (Saturday)

The North American blizzard of 2009 produces record snowfall, causing power outages, deaths, and impacting retail sales. (The Weather Channel) (BBC)
Iraq deploys troops on its border with Iran to monitor a disputed oil well seized by Iranian troops, while an arbitration commission is established to resolve the dispute. (Al Jazeera) (AP) (Press TV)
NASA releases the first ever photo of liquid outside of Earth, in the form of sunlight reflecting on a lake on Saturn's largest moon, Titan. (CNN)
Serbians, Macedonians, and Montenegrins are able to travel to continental Europe without a visa from this day on. (The Independent)
Pope Benedict XVI declares two of his predecessors, John Paul II and Pius XII to be Venerable, the second step toward sainthood. (BBC) (The New York Times) (Deutsche Welle)
A 6.4 M_w earthquake strikes Taiwan collapsing one building. (Central News Agency)^{[permanent dead link]} (Reuters)
Madagascar's President Andry Rajoelina dismisses his Prime Minister, Eugène Mangalaza, whom he appointed in October. (Al Jazeera)
The Fatah movement in the West Bank rejects local mediation between itself and Hamas. (Xinhua)
Iran's military prosecutor charges three officials with killing three people at a detention centre used to house post-election protesters. (AFP) (BBC)
A faction from the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta says it carried out an attack on an oil pipeline, breaking a ceasefire agreed upon with the Nigerian government. (Times of Nigeria) (BBC) (Xinhua)
The Cambodian government expels 22 Chinese Muslim Uyghurs who arrived in the country back to China, despite criticism from the UN. (Press TV) (BBC) (The Straits Times)^{[permanent dead link]}
Freezing conditions cause electrical faults in the Channel Tunnel between Great Britain and France, isolating 2,000 passengers in five trains. The situation is coupled with disruptions at London Heathrow Airport and traffic delays due to snowy conditions in the south-east of England. (BBC) (Sky News) (The Financial Times)
Police recruit sniffer dogs and detectives in their hunt for the Arbeit macht frei sign missing from Auschwitz as appeals for its return are made by Israel, Poland and the European Union. (BBC) (The Times)
Scientists announced the discovery of GJ 1214 b, an ocean planet orbiting a star in the Ophiuchus constellation. (Nature)
In association football, FC Barcelona sets a new record by winning all 6 possible competitions (The Sextuple) in one year. (The Guardian)

ITN candidates for December 19

Iranian occupation of Iraqi claimed oil field

Iraq claims that Iranian soldiers have occupied an oil field in the Maysan Governorate in Iraq.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 21:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral. Such things happen, unfortunately. I think we should wait a few hours at least to see what comes of it. Physchim62 (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 FIFA Club World Cup

FC Barcelona win the 2009 FIFA Club World Cup over Estudiantes de La Plata.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barça, Barça, Barça!!!!. Sorry, I got a bit carried away there! The article to update is surely FC Barcelona, who have now won every trophy they could have done in 2009. I think that is unprecedented in soccer. I will formally support once the relevant articles have been duely updated with references, I have to go and hang a blue-and-gold banner out my window ;) Physchim62 (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has definitely never happened before in soccer (winning every possible trophy)? --can dle •wicke 00:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No team has ever won a Treble(winning the domestic league, the primary domestic cup, and the UEFA Champions League or European Cup) and gone on to win the FIFA Club World Cup. A 'treble' is rare in and of itself. Plus, they have won the European Super Cup and the Supercopa de Espana.

Can anyone update FC Barcelona#Quadruple winning season 282008.E2.80.932009.29? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Ajax completed the treble and won the Intercontinental Cup in 1972. JACO PLANE • 2009-12-20 13:10

As did Manchester United in 1999. Physchim62 (talk) 13:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was aware of that, but the Intercontinental Cup isn't really the same type of competition. Also, the 1999 Treble-winning Manchester United went on to lose in the then-inaugural 2000 FIFA Club World Championship.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support this is actually very rare. There have been waaay less important events covered here just because they were north American sports. Even if they were not the first to do it (I kind of doubt it since no major sports source mentions it) it is still worthwhile to go up. Anyways, it is their 6th title this eyar.[14]Nergaal (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is definite novelty in this accomplishment. It's just difficult to pinpoint it as an absolute 'first' because there are so many football competitions out there.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FC Barcelona wins the 2009 FIFA Club World Cup, becoming the first football team to win six major competitions in a single year. Physchim62 (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a reliable source for the claim of "first": it doesn't mean it's correct, of course, but it's an RS! Another point to make is that not every country has an equivalent of the Supercopa de España, for example, so not every club could win six competitions in a year… Physchim62 (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. But before I post, please add refs and category to the sextuple article. --Tone 14:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done, although I'm still working on both articles (FC Barcelona and The Sextuple), so any admin thinking of posting might like to check the latest versions rather than what they might have seen this morning. Physchim62 (talk) 15:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting, though a bit late... --Tone 15:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First image of a lake on another world

This seems to be noticeable enough for the main page. Nergaal (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was actually updated, see Lakes_of_Titan#Observation_of_specular_reflections. Nergaal (talk) 19:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 22:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the moment. I hate to have to do this, but the update would never pass muster if this were not a space subject. This might be a lake, great. There's one reference and a second to a technical point. ITN/C has opposed stories for less than that in the past. Physchim62 (talk) 22:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also: "This is not the first evidence of liquid on Titan. In 2008, project members used infrared technology to discover a large lake in the moon's southern hemisphere." (CNN). Physchim62 (talk) 23:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that was presumed. This is a visual observation, only that it was done in the IR. Nergaal (talk) 23:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, we've known about the lakes for ages. It's a cool observation, but not a breakthrough scientific result or technical achievement. Modest Genius ^talk 04:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EU opens borders to Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia

~~The European Union opens its borders unrestricted to Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia. [15] Does anyone think this is significant enough for ITN?~~ --BorgQueen (talk) 14:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of problems: a) it's not the whole EU, just the Schengen zone (admittedly 25/27 countries) b) 'unrestricted' is a bit steep, they just don't need visas. There will still be border posts and passport checks. If they had joined Schengen and the border posts were coming down, I would support, but they're not. Modest Genius^talk 14:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I withdraw my nom. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I think this is a big story. Including EU and 3 countries. Still, it is important to know that this is only valid for tourist visits, so I wonder whether the word unrestricted is totally in place. (and, obviously, people with denied entrance can not enter etc.) Support with a good blurb and article update. --Tone 15:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, there are still many restrictions. But the fresh news is that Serbia is planning to apply for EU membership next week, any opinions on that? --Tone 15:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would say that 'visa-free' visits for tourists, while not 'unrestricted', are a BIG deal to ordinary people. It makes it much easier to visit countries, and while I don't know about Serbia, in Russia visas are a very sensitive point of contention with the West. --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Jennifer Jones

--TouLouse (talk) 13:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, 90 years old so she'd more than had her three-score-years-and-ten; never actually an Oscar winner, despite five nominations; hasn't been "active" in her field for 35 years (according to the article infobox). I can't see how this would pass the death criteria, especially today is not exactly "slow news". Physchim62 (talk) 13:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per above. However, she did win an Oscar. ;-) Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Snowstorms

Snowstorms cause severe disruption across much of Europe and the Atlantic seaboard of the United States. Physchim62 (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if we have articles on these yet, but it seems nice to unite bothe sides of the Atlantic as a starter to the festive period… Physchim62 (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly support. In fact, I came here to propose the article I have created for the Atlantic side, North American blizzard of 2009 --Shirik (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the following blurb:

The North American blizzard of 2009 produces record snowfall, causing power outages, deaths, and impacting retail sales. (The Weather Channel) (BBC) --Shirik (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five deaths. --can dle •wicke 09:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting. Skipping the retail sales from the blurb. --Tone 11:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs conversion of units. At the moment, only imperial units are used, metric should be added as well. Could anyone fix that? --Tone 11:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Shirik (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, why just North America? This seems too America-centric; this storm is run of the mill for the US. In the UK, it's not; Eurostar had to cancel its services until further notice. Sceptre^(talk) 19:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GJ 1214 b

Strong nom. This is a momentous discovery. (Space.com) --bender235 (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice but there are too many speculations in the article at the moment. When they are more certain, what kind of water there is, that will be another story. --Tone 22:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the article is in a good shape, and we can just state obvious facts like: "The discovery of GJ 1214 b, an extrasolar super-Earth in the constellation Ophiuchus, is announced." How about that? --BorgQueen (talk) 22:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the article is nice, but just reporting discovery? According to List of extrasolar planets, more than 80 of those have been discovered this year alone! (I know I'm conservative here but I've had my share of posting inaccurate or incomplete things on ITN...) --Tone 22:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If and when water is confirmed, 'Support, this is very important. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Could use for balancing against a creep of politics-related stories often found on ITN. Colipon+(Talk) 23:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This planet is probably in between Neptune and Earth in terms of size, but closer to Neptune in terms of composition. It is orbiting more than 10 times closer to the star than Mercury is, but the star is about 1/5 of our Sun. This could be actually interesting for ITN. Nergaal (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose', but only after reading the abstract of the original paper. The atmosphere (even if it's autogenic) is hydrogen and helium, so we're talking about something nearer to Neptune than to Earth. As such, it's obviously important in its field (otherwise it wouldn't be in Nature) but I can't see a reason to put it on the main page. Physchim62 (talk) 01:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A reason? It is the only known Super-Earth exoplanet with a confirmed atmosphere. And it is also the second smallest exoplanet, trailing behind only CoRoT-7b. --bender235 (talk) 02:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We currently have more supports than opposes. Going to post soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if this is posted, it should mention the atmosphere, otherwise it's better to remove it because of the reasons I gave above. --Tone 11:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

December 18, 2009 (Friday)

Thirty world leaders present in Copenhagen for the United Nations Conference on Climate Change agree on a draft accord. (The Sydney Morning Herald) (Forbes.com "Silver Lining In Copenhagen 'Fiasco'") (AllAfrica.com "Copenhagen Accord Politically Significant But Not Legally Binding") (Associated Press "China, India, South Africa vital for climate deal")
The Catalan Parliament votes to ban bull fighting in the Spanish region. (The Times)
Russian television news channels air repeated coverage of a UFO, shaped like a pyramid and similar to an Imperial Cruiser from Star Wars. (The Daily Telegraph) (Sky News)
The Vatican dismisses Zambia's controversial Roman Catholic Church archbishop Emmanuel Milingo. (African Press Agency)^{[permanent dead link]} (ZBC) (BBC)
A Paris court rules that Google is infringing copyright, sentencing it to pay 300,000 euros in damages and interest to French publisher Editions de la Martinière, and 10,000 euros a day until it removes extracts of the books from its database. (BBC) (PC World)
The BBC apologises for offence caused when it used the headline: "Should homosexuals face execution?" (The Age) (The New Zealand Herald)^{[permanent dead link]} (The Daily Telegraph)
Irish priest Father Seán Sheehy withdraws from work in his parish of Castlegregory over a controversy which followed his shaking the hand of a convicted sex offender in court days earlier. Bishop of Kerry William Murphy disassociates himself from Sheehy and his actions. (RTÉ) (BBC) (Irish Examiner)
General Motors announces that it will begin shutting down operations at the Swedish carmaker Saab automobile. (New York Times) (Wall Street Journal)
After 27 years, Terry Wogan presents his last edition of Wake Up to Wogan on BBC Radio 2, receiving farewell messages from Gordon Brown and David Cameron. (The Times) (RTÉ) (BBC highlights)
The Arbeit macht frei sign is stolen from Auschwitz concentration camp. (JTA) (Deutsche Welle) (RTÉ) (The Daily Telegraph)
Ajmal Kasab, a Pakistani citizen who was involved in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, recants his confession, claiming that police tortured him into admitting his role in the attacks. (AP) (Press Trust Of India)
Twitter, a popular micro-blogging service, temporarily goes offline after a group calling itself the "Iranian Cyber Army" manages to change its DNS records. (PC World) (CNN)
A large crater, dubbed the "Fried Egg" because of its shape, is discovered off the coast of The Azores in the Atlantic Ocean, prompting speculation that it may have been caused up to 17 million years ago by meteor impact. (BBC)
Lava flows and ash explosions continue to emerge from Philippine volcano Mount Mayon while scientists predict a major eruption in the coming weeks and 30,000 people remain in temporary shelter. (BBC)
In a reversal of a previous decision, Sir John Chilcot insists that former British Prime Minister Tony Blair will give the majority of his evidence to The Iraq Inquiry in public. (BBC)
Snowfall across the east of England disrupts transport and power supplies. (BBC)
The Iraqi government demands the withdrawal of Iranian soldiers that it claims seized an oil well in Fakkah, in the Maysan Governorate in southern Iraq. (CNN) (Gulf Daily News) (Al Jazeera)(NYT)

ITN candidates for December 18

Google is found guilty of copyright infringement in France

A Paris court finds Google guilty of copyright infringement, sentencing it to pay 300,000 euros in damages and interest to French publisher La Martiniere, and 10,000 euros a day until it removes extracts of the books from its database. [16] --BorgQueen (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Google Book Search#Copyright infringement.2C fair use and related issues needs to be updated, if this nom is approved. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Google Book Search is updated. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... google found violating copyrights hmm... isn't this something common ? but the sentence is too high so I think we should go for it.--yousaf465' 04:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm not so sure if this particular incident is quite newsworthy, I believe that the Google Books project is very significant and it's been generating a lot of (generally low profile) news lately.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Azores discovery

Link: [17] - TouLouse (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

support if someone can suggest an article to create/ expand?? HJMitchellYou rang? 12:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this real or did they take it from here? They are the only two English language sources I could find for "Fried Egg". --can dle •wicke 14:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC article says it uses a poster at conference as source, and these are often not peer-reviewed (unsure about this meeting) and can include preliminary results. Narayanese (talk) 18:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until published in a peer-reviewed journal, which should be a minimum requirement for all science stories. Modest Genius^talk 10:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We would never have any space stories on that criterion! (mind you, I think fewer space stories would not be a bad thing) I don't think the lack of obvious peer-review is a problem here, more the lack of anything to say about the subject. Nobody is doubting the basic data, and the authors are being wisely sceptical as to what might have caused these features. Oppose for no article. Physchim62 (talk) 00:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BA Strike

An injunction is issued in favour of British Airways by the English High court blocking a proposed cabin crew strike scheduled for twelve days coinciding with Christmas and New Year

I admit the blurb's not perfect but I welcome suggestions. This has been big news in the UK- it was estimated to potentially affect a million people travelling on BA over Christmas and, legally (sorry, I'm a law student!), it's quite significant since the High Court doesn't often get involved in industrial disputes. Working on updating an article. HJMitchellYou rang? 02:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support if the strike actually happens, which I gather is now unlikely.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's kind of the point. They were going to strike over Christmas but BA have managed to get an injunction (which everyone thought was unlikely at best) against it on some technicality. HJMitchell You rang? 03:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But a proposed cabin crew strike... it still may not have happened. I would support if it did happen though due to the chaos it would cause. It is mentioned by Time - quote: "Industrial action could have cost Europe's third biggest airline as much as $50 million each day had the strike gone ahead as planned on Dec. 22". Not sure how important that really is though. Coverage in the UK but I suppose that is expected. Is there any evidence that this is the first of its kind for example? --can dle •wicke 14:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't take the "unexpected" argument either. With all respect to HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs), if s/he is a law student now, then s/he probably doesn't remember that High Court actions (in the UK, obviously) over proposed strikes were very common in the late 1980s – early 1990s. They're rarer these days because there are more precedents available for trade unions to use in organising the ballots, so they are rarely overruled. In any case, this is a point of UK law, and so probably not very relevant to a global audience. The potential disruption will be to BA's profits, and we don't usually cover such things on ITN. Physchim62 (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ship sinks in Lebanon

Five people are believed to have been killed and dozens are believed to be missing after the livestock tranport ship Danny F II sinks off the coast of Lebanon. HJMitchell You rang?

NoteMV Danny F II article also created, suggest would be a better target. If used please credit HJ Mitchell as nominator and myself as creator. Mjroots (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. I've redirected my title to yours. HJMitchellYou rang? 08:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support due to the massive amount of deaths. --can dle •wicke 14:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A well-worded blurb please? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sinking of MV Danny F II in the Mediterranean Sea kills at least five people, 10,224 sheep and 17,932 cattle. --can dle •wicke 14:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but I think that you should also mention that 41 people are still missing - Dumelow (talk) 15:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copenhagen climate summit threaten

On Friday 18 December, the final day of the Copenhagen conference, international media reports that the negotiations are at risk of failure. (CBC News) Maziotis (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When something happens I would support and/or it was already posted. --can dle •wicke 14:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the same news entry, and it is quite common to see the same article being referenced to different events, for different news. This seemed relevant to me, since the whole world is talking about how the copenhagen summit is heading to failure in the last day. I have been seeing that on the news all day. Maziotis (talk) 15:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am now looking at the new entry, "Thirty world leaders present in Copenhagen for the United Nations Conference on Climate Change agree on a draft accord." I am guessing that this is a more recent entry, presented as a candidate for the ITN. Maziotis (talk) 15:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some agreement has been reached, waiting for article updates and a good blurb... --Tone 21:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not go ahead with the news on the draft? The attention that has been given to this on the news seems to justify it. Maziotis (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has to be updated first, per this. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it is the blurb that we are looking for, but I have just updated the article. Anyway, my initial proposal in this section is still up-to-date, and follows that criteria in terms of the article being updated. Maziotis (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean this? That's too short. At least five sentences with three different references please. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the BBC talks are still going on. It appears it will be newsworthy when they finally sign something. Let's wait for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

redent Agree absolutely with Johnsemlak (talk · contribs). We should wait a few hours until we know the actual result of the climate summit, a bit like we do for elections ;) There will obviously be a Copenhagen Summit story (COP15 or COPout), but I'm not sure we know what it is yet in encyclopedic terms. Physchim62 (talk) 13:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

11th hour Copenhagen deal reached, not binding

The US, China, India, South Africa reach nonbinding deal. [18] Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does include Brazil. Updated, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would the pictured logo better be the COP15 logo instead of the state emblem of Pakistan Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the logo is not a free image. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I was wondering about that. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For whenever a deal is finalized, according to the 5th FAQ question [en.cop15.dk/frontpage/faq], cop15civil aT um.dk would be the email address to contact to ask for permission to use the logo. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please ask them yourself, thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to, but didn't know how to get the reply to someone official enough in Wikipedia in a way that said reply would be certifiable, or what the minimum standard for surety is. Is there a Wikipedia email that receive limited permissions that I can carbon copy when asking? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are these the only countries in the agreement? Surely there are more. --Plasma Twa 2 07:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I posted above, the BBC continues at the time of writing to say talks are still ongoing. I strongly suggest we take this down until we have a final result, which appears to be likely today.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed, per objections. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BBC has just reported that Climate summit recognises US deal. Still not a lot of details available however. I'd say let's wait a bit for the dust to settle, not to mention getting the Wikipedia article updated.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Auschwitz theft

(BBC) Someone has stolen the infamous Arbeit Macht Frei sign from the gates of Auschwitz concentration camp. There has been a bit of an update at the Arbeit Macht Frei article but it will need more before it goes up. Is this notable enough for us? The BBC article includes some reactions from pretty important people. We also have a free image of the sign - Dumelow (talk) 15:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is history and this is an encyclopedia. Lots of reaction, making headlines as far away as Australia, a reward has been offered, it is also the first time this has ever happened. --can dle •wicke 17:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Just news. And first time? How often would one expect something like that to happen? --Tone 19:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite often unfortunately. --can dle •wicke 20:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article in The Times today shows how seriously this is being treated by many countries. "The slickly organised theft of one of the most potent symbols of the Holocaust sent a wave of outrage around the world yesterday". "Poland is treating the recovery of the sign from the site, near Cracow, as a matter of national honour". "President Peres of Israel held an emergency meeting with Donald Tusk, the Polish Prime Minister, on the sidelines of the UN climate summit in Copenhagen to express “the deepest shock”". And there are sniffer dogs being deployed according to the BBC. --can dle •wicke 05:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support if the article is up to scratch. Vandalism of historical sites is unfortunately common but this is an extremely powerful (and recognizable) artifact of one of the 20th century's most horrific events.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support sephia karta di mi 23:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main article section now seems to be at Auschwitz_concentration_camp#.22Arbeit_macht_frei.22_sign_theft and has had a bit of an update - Dumelow (talk) 12:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A nice blurb please? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

December 17, 2009 (Thursday)

Europe is hit by heavy snowfall leading to disruptions in France, Germany, Poland and Spain. (BBC)
The Panamanian livestock transporter MV Danny F II sinks off the coast of Lebanon while travelling from Uruguay to Syria with 83 people on board. (France 24) (The Times)
Ireland exits "one of Europe's worst recessions". (BBC) (The Irish Times) (France 24)^{[permanent dead link]}
Bishop of Limerick Donal Murray resigns following allegations contained within the Murphy Report. The Vatican accepts his resignation. (Limerick Leader)^{[permanent dead link]} (RTÉ) (Miami Herald)^{[permanent dead link]} (BBC) (Channel News Asia)
A Nigerian court throws out corruption charges against the former governor of the country's Delta State, James Ibori, saying there was no clear evidence. (NEXT) (AFP) (BBC)
Egyptian archaeologists recover from the Mediterranean Sea an ancient temple pylon belonging to the palace complex of Cleopatra. (AP)
It is revealed that Iraqi militants intercepted live video feeds from U.S. MQ-1 Predator drones, potentially acquiring information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations. (Wall Street Journal)
The Pakistani opposition calls on President Asif Ali Zardari to resign after the Supreme Court declared void an amnesty protecting him and other senior officials from corruption charges. (Dawn) (Al Jazeera) (Hindustan Times)
Yemen authorities say 34 suspected Al-Qaeda militants have been killed and 17 captured in raids at hideouts and training camps in the west of the country. (Yemen News Agency) (AP) (Dawn)
Two of Colombia's main rebel groups, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and the National Liberation Army (ELN), announce they are to unite. (Latin American Herald Tribune) (BBC)
The collapse of UK airline Flyglobespan leaves thousands of travellers stranded. (BBC)
Sahwari activist Aminatou Haidar is hospitalized in Tenerife, Spain, after 32 days of hunger strike protesting against her expulsion by the Moroccan authorities. (BBC) (CNN) (France24) (The Age)
The Catholic Church condemns as "inappropriate" and "disrespectful" a New Zealand billboard involving nudity and the birth of Jesus Christ. (BBC) (The Guardian) (Japan Today)
The English High Court grants British Airways an injunction against a proposed twelve day strike by cabin crew represented by trade union Unite scheduled to occur over Christmas. (BBC)

ITN candidates for December 17

Supreme Court judgment National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO)

The article has been updated and also pov issues have been removed so I think we should post it now.--yousaf465' 14:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me.sephia karta di mi 14:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.yousaf465' 14:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flyglobespan

The collapse of UK airline Flyglobespan leaves more than 4,000 passengers stranded in several countries. According to BBC: About 4,500 passengers are stranded - mostly in Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Egypt. While this is not exactly a life-threatening disaster, it did affect a quadruple-digit number of people. Any comments? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC News TV said yesterday that it was Scotland's biggest airline (I personally have not heard of it, maybe it is better known north of the border). 800 jobs have also gone at the company. I am not sure whether to support this or not, is the collapse of airlines a common occurrence? - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Airliners don't collapse on regular intervals never heard of a sudden collapse before. Usually they go bankrupt like it was the case with Pan Am.--yousaf465' 14:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, honestly I can't believe they just left thousands of passengers stranded abroad. Quite outrageous. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well in that case it seems to be something unusual, so are we going to post it ?--yousaf465' 14:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs more citations. Would you help? I have to go to bed soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By that time I was gone, also see the list of oppose down here.--yousaf465' 04:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the moment. Airlines collapse fairly regularly – there are 21 articles in Category:Airlines disestablished in 2009 – and that usually leaves people stranded for a while. There might be an interesting angle on the reasons for the collapse, but for the moment this does't even make it as a top-three article on BBC UK news, so is hardly significant enough for a global readership. 4,500 people is not very many for the European aviation market, and repatriation is underway. Physchim62 (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

747 is not 4,000+ but this also happened recently. --can dle •wicke 21:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. An airline, especially one that's little known, collapsing is not that big an event. I live in northern England and it's not well known here. Perhaps it is in Scotland, but I'd be inclined to say that unless we're dealing with a national carrier, like British Airways, Quantas, Lufthansa or a large, highly notable airline like American Airlines or even, at a stretch, Easyjet but I'm afraid a not out-of-the-ordinary airline collapse is not that newsworthy. HJMitchellYou rang? 23:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Seems to be a little known airline even in its home country (the UK). The story sounds dramatic at first reading perhaps ('4500 left stranded') but from what I've read these people will almost certainly be flown back. Cancelled flights are commonplace occurrences ultimately.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have also seen airliners getting collapsed , such as Aero Asia International but they are usually informed of such case. Never heard that a airliner collapses out of the blue and leave many of it's customers stranded.--yousaf465' 04:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, airlines collapsing whilst its passengers are abroad has happened many times. Can't remember the name, but there was a big case of that with another UK airliner this year or late last year. Took up the main headlines for days, and other airliners and the government stepped in to help bring the passengers home. HonouraryMix (talk) 14:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?um=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&q=Stranded+airline+bust&cf=all&channel=s&scoring=n&sugg=d&sa=N&lnav=d0&as_ldate=2008&as_hdate=2008&ldrange=1990%2C2006

Just typed in "Stranded airline bust" into Google, narrowed it to results from 2008, and look how many stories come up about various airlines going bust whilst people are abroad. An unfortunately common occurrence. HonouraryMix (talk) 14:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 16

December 16, 2009 (Wednesday)

Mexican drug lord Arturo Beltrán Leyva, leader of the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel, is killed by personnel of the Mexican Navy during a shootout in Cuernavaca, Morelos. (The Times)
Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen replaces Connie Hedegaard in a "procedural move" as president of the U.N. climate talks, as further clashes take place around the perimeter of the summit. (BBC News) (The Times) (Al Jazeera)
Kelly Kwalik, leader of the Free Papua Movement (OPM), is fatally shot by police in Indonesia. (BBC) (The Jakarta Globe) (The Sydney Morning Herald)
An unarmed 26-year-old man is detained after attempting to enter the hospital room of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi as he recuperates from the recent assault. (CNN) (The Daily Telegraph)
Roy E. Disney, head of Disney Animation and responsible for guiding the studio through a golden age of animation, dies in a California hospital in the United States. (CNN)
Malawi recognizes the independence of Kosovo (Kosovo Foreign ministry) (New Kosova Report)
The Supreme Court of Pakistan declares NRO as unconstitutional, paving way for the reopening of the corruption cases involving the President and other senior officials. (The News) (BBC News)
Archaeologists in Jerusalem say they have discovered a burial shroud from around the time of Jesus in a tomb. (Jerusalem Post) (Irish Times) (Zee News)
Toumba Diakite, an aide to Guinea's military leader Moussa Dadis Camara admits to shooting him after the junta leader wanted him to take responsibility for the massacre of opposition protesters in September. (AP) (Ghana Broadcasting Corporation) (Xinhua)
The Philippine province of Albay is put under a "state of imminent disaster" as activity at the Mayon Volcano increases. (GMA News)
North Korea reportedly bans all foreigners from entering the country until early February 2010, for unknown reasons. (The Chosun Ilbo) (Bloomberg)
Russian economist Yegor Gaidar, the architect of the neoliberal reforms of the early 1990s as the first finance minister of post-Soviet Russia, dies unexpectedly in his home. (BBC News) (New York Times) (RIA Novosti)
Nauru recognizes the independence of South Ossetia, one day after also establishing diplomatic relations with Abkhazia. (Moscow Times)
UK airline Flyglobespan goes into administration, with the cancellation of all scheduled flights. (BreakingNews)

ITN candidates for December 16

Death of Kelly Kwalik

The leader of Papua's separatist movement is killed in a shootout with Indonesian police. According to the BBC, he "has been on Indonesia's most wanted list for years". "After years of hunting him in the vast jungles of the Indonesian province, officials say they have finally got their man". The Sydney Morning Herald says he "was behind a string of deadly attacks on Indonesians and foreigners, including Australian miner Drew Grant". However, the nature of his death is also controversial if these quotes from the Jakarta Globe are true, "Kelly has never done anything criminal to disrupt the security in the region. This is pure fabrication by people working with those wishing to ruin the region", "I have spoken with Kelly and he said he was not the one who carried out the terrorist acts" and "This shooting has certainly disrupted the process by destroying the Papuans’ trust in the government of Indonesia". --can dle •wicke 21:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when created. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Might have some time tomorrow (or the next day) if no one beats me. --can dle •wicke 21:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, depends on how big this man was in Papua's Separatist movevement, i.e.: was he the leader of just one small group or was he the most important man within the whole movement, and for how long had he been the leader. sephia karta di mi 14:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, based on the readings he doesn't seem significant enough for a front mention. Wizardman 17:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Roy E. Disney

CNN. He "played a key role in the revitalization of the Walt Disney Co. and Disney's animation legacy". Involvement with Disney since 1953. Responsible for The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, etc. Oscar nominations. Sailed competitively, achieving numerous records as well. He retained the title "director emeritus and consultant". And, unlike perhaps the other recent deaths, his face may be more recognisable to more people. --can dle •wicke 21:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, no. Strong oppose. That I don't recognise the name, let alone the face, is irrelevant: how is this person "responsible" for the movies that Candlewicke quotes? As far as I can read from the article, he was merely an active shareholder, so not ITN material. Physchim62 (talk) 23:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. What Physchime said. If he were seen as an active business leader the way Steve Jobs is, maybe.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the same reason. sephia karta di mi 14:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supreme Court judgment excepted on National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO)

The judgment will out in another 2 to 3 hours.--yousaf465' 09:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is currently tagged for neutrality and probably requires more citations before it is posted. At least three sections have no citations, the citations which are present are bare URLs and one appears to be a YouTube link. --can dle •wicke 18:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it some where in the late middle in the night and I have just woken up to remind that NRO has been thrown out of the windows. You know half of the country is distributing sweets and while other half is been forcefully shutdown. We have to get that article ready for posting, its too important now. Even Mr 10%(this is just a nickname)'s spokesman's described it as "shocking". Here are the few links to start with Dawn1 and Dawn2. I think a non Pakistani editor would be more suited to edit the article for ITN as to establish neutrality.--yousaf465' 22:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fore links check out google news 's list of article--yousaf465' 22:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a BLP violation to list those folks as a beneficiary of immunity against corruption investigations without a cite, so oppose. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

agree with YM. this however is a significant event in Pakistan's continued 'descent into chaos'. would support after the article has been improved. have added several citations to RS.Wikireader41 (talk) 02:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I just laugh at such a comment 'descent into chaos', this shows that you are not familiar with the current situation in Pakistan. As far BLP is concerned we can deal with it. This list is being read right now behind me on Tv.--yousaf465' 04:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Th article has been updated and also some BLP issues have been removed. Any editor can now check it for neutrality and if something is wrong, either report to anyone of current active editor working on the article or fix it themselves.--yousaf465' 05:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yegor Gaidar dies aged 53

Architect of post-Soviet reform Egor Gaidar dies aged 53 (RIA). No need for comments. --TarzanASG (talk) 07:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support he was also an acting prime minister of Russia, for what that's worth. --Plasma Twa 2 08:20, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when the article is updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been impressively expanded. Any objections? (I am sure there will be one or two... "The ITN is not an obituary section", etc.) --BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~. I think this undermines the consensus on the new death criterion - again. I haven't heard about this guy either and I do consider myself fairly knowledgable in general. __meco (talk) 14:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really unsure now, so I will at least retract my vote. I still wish these deaths of famous people would have a higher threashhold, i.e. occur more seldom. __meco (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: he's quite (in)famous, and his death came rather sudden, at an early age.sephia karta di mi 14:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not well known enough, and he's been out of office for 17 years. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 14:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I dare wager he is better known than Paul Samuelson, in that every economist will be familiar with Gaidar, and on top of that (if I am correct) most Russians will know (and generally hate) him.sephia karta di mi 14:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, if only to counter the "I haven't heard of him" argument – quite pathetic, IMHO, for a project which pretends to write an encyclopedia! The "17 years out of office" argument is infinitely stronger, but we should remember that Gaidar was instrumental in making Russia what it is today (take that how you like;). He was also the subject of a bisarre incident in Ireland in 2006, which he alleges was poisoning: 53 years old is very young for a wealthy and influential man to die in his bed. Physchim62 (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support of this support message. Gaidar (with Yeltsin) is the founder of new Russia[19]. He worked until his death (for example, yesterday (15 december) interview and yesterday conference). Gaidar has predicted the crisis. He wrote books (for example 2007 sensational "Collapse of an Empire"). etc etc etc --TarzanASG (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. 53 years is not very old at all. How well known is well known enough or how exactly is this measured? The "17 years out of office" argument doesn't seem very strong at all in my opinion — it would be interesting if this is applied to Jimmy Carter, Margaret Thatcher, George H. W. Bush and countless others when it their turn to be nominated here in similar circumstances. Not convinced by any of the opposes but this person is easily as important to Russia as any of those are to their countries and seems in line with what has been posted before (Raúl Alfonsín was 20 years out of office when he died aged 29 years older, for example) so I see no reason to oppose. --can dle •wicke 18:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to post this, based on the rationale that the "I've never heard of him" is not a valid argument, especially when judging the notability of someone from a non-English speaking country. In my country, a vast majority of well-educated, "knowledgable" people have never heard of Ted Kennedy, whose death was enthusiastically featured on ITN, and he had never even been a head of government for any length of time. Yegor Gaidar certainly meets our current death criteria: The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such. And he was a head of government (for a short time), and his death was unexpected. If anyone does not like our current death criteria, they will have to start a discussion to have it reworded. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Well said BorgQueen! FWIW, "I've never heard of him" is a pathetic argument. I've never heard of him, but he seems to have been very significant in Russia, even if it was 17 years ago. Also FWIW, I've never heard of a veined octopus (or Amphioctopus marginatus as it's now been changed to) but nobody really disputed the significance of the event. HJMitchellYou rang? 19:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While "it's on the front pages" is another 'argument' that isn't well received, Gaidar's death did get significant coverage in the global media, the #2 slot on BBC world news to give just one example. It's not just people on WP:ITN/C who think that the death is worth reporting. Physchim62 (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do support this, in part because the article seems quite good. However, I can see where some opposition could come from. He was an important figure for a brief (though very crucial) period of time (he was briefly (a few months) prime minister under President Yeltsin, though he's seen as an economist mainly). I certainly think many people would oppose posting the death of an American who had been a top economic advisor for three years. Another issue is that I think he gets a lot of favorable treatment in Western media because he's seen as a brilliant liberal reformer in Russia--I don't think the same media would care about a more Soviet-oriented leader of similar power, e.g. Evgeny Primakov.--Johnsemlak (talk) 00:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Hopefully this doesnt get pulled YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

December 15, 2009 (Tuesday)

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Danish hosts urge countries on to compromise to salvage agreement on a new U.N. pact aimed at averting dangerous climate change and global warming. P:GW (Reuters)
Nauru recognizes the independence of Abkhazia and establishes formal diplomatic relations in exchange for aid from Russia. (New York Times)
Two protesters are killed and several injured at a demonstration in opposition to the banning of the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party in Turkey. (CNN) (Xinhua) (Today's Zaman)
The Boeing 787 'Dreamliner' widebody passenger airliner takes its maiden flight, travelling from Paine Field to Boeing Field, in Washington State, U.S.A. (BBC) (Reuters) (USA Today)
Chile receives an official invitation to become a member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. (Wall Street Journal)
Evacuations begin in the Albay province of the Philippines as the Mayon Volcano oozes lava, with an eruption possible. (Philippine Inquirer) (AP via Fox News)
Canadian sports medicine specialist Anthony Galea, who helped Tiger Woods recover from knee surgery, is accused of providing top athletes with performance-enhancing drugs. (New York Times)
Israel condemns the issuing of a war crimes arrest warrant in the United Kingdom for former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni. (Jerusalem Post) (BBC) (Al Jazeera)

ITN candidates for December 15

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner takes its maiden flight

The Boeing 787 'Dreamliner' widebody passenger airliner takes its maiden flight, travelling from Paine Field to Boeing Field, in Washington State, U.S.A. BBC Reuter USA Today.
- Significant event in worldwide avation. Its definitely in the air, but the route might need confirmation. MickMacNee (talk) 18:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this is a long awaited event (and an important one for public aviation) - Dumelow (talk) 18:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - That's what I call bias. First flight of a Boeing, ITN, first flight of an Airbus, not ITN. Same month, one week apart, two new planes, different treatment. Hektor (talk) 19:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. The Airbus A400M, the world's biggest turboprop airliner, had its first flight last week: The "Dreamliner" is way behind in the significance queue. Physchim62 (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The A400M is a military aircraft with 184 orders, the Dreamliner is a civilian airliner with 840 orders (besides, I thought the Antonov An-22 was the world's biggest turboprop?). I would have had no problems with having the Airbus A380 on ITN, I don't know whether it was featured or not. I didn't have an opinion on whether the A400M should have gone up as I hadn't heard of it until then but I think most people know of the Dreamliner (as they knew of the A380). I think more people will be affected by a new type of civil airliner than by a purely military aircraft (should we, for example, feature new fighters etc?) - Dumelow (talk) 19:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The Airbus A400M, IMHO, should have been posted when it was nominated last week, but the submission down below just didn't seem to attract sufficient attention at the time. That's unfortunate, but it's a human process and these things get missed from time to time. There's no reason to assume bad faith. Opposing the 787 in a tit for tat gesture is ridiculous. The Tom (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't really related, but it's been a good day on ITN, it seems. All the stories on it seem quite notable, and it spans so many different topics! Science, biography, geo-politics, aviation. Much better than the usual "X won election in Y state" etc. Colipon+(Talk) 20:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hear hear. Modest Genius ^talk 00:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chile/OECD

Chile receives an official invitation to become a member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

The OECD is a significant international organization and this is the first enlargement during more than nine years. Of course, alternatively it could be published in the main page on 11 January 2010 when Chile signs the accession agreement. Beagel (talk) 17:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait until Chile actually joins. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when it actually joins. Modest Genius^talk 00:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When it joins. WP:ITN/FE? --can dle •wicke 18:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tzipi Livni

An arrest warrant against Israeli politician Tzipi Livni is issued, then rescinded, in the United Kingdom, alleging war crimes in the 2008–2009 Gaza War.

Not sure about this one, seems borderline, but the article has been updated so I shall put it up for other to comment on. Issuing arrest warrants for war crimes against leading politicians is hardly an everyday event. There are plenty of free images of Livni on commons. Physchim62 (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I considered to nominate this myself, but the problem is that it has been rescinded. If the warrant is still valid I would have supported, but now... well. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The warrant was rescinded on a technical point – that Livni wasn't in the UK nor expected to be – so that leaves the judicial issue open that another warrant could be issued in the future. I can see a couple of other valid reasons to oppose posting from the BBC paper, but I thought I'd see what other editors think as well. Mine is only a weak support. Physchim62 (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: In that case, I say make it a news item when the time comes.sephia karta di mi 16:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The fact this warrant was rescinded makes this a non-issue in my mind. HonouraryMix (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

December 14, 2009 (Monday)

The Group of 77 (including China, India, UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia) suspends participation in treaty negotiations at the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference, citing the unwillingness of developed nations to live up to the Kyoto Protocol and what they view as a lack of open negotiations. (BBC) (AP)
Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, claims that some banks were rescued during the recent global financial crisis by billions of dollars that originated from the illegal drug trade. (Press TV) (Press Trust of India)
Researchers report that the Veined Octopus retrieves coconut shell halves to use as shelter, becoming the first invertebrates recorded to use tools. (AP) (Times Online)
The Eritrean national football team goes missing in Kenya, with the intention of seeking asylum. (AFP) (Jimma Times) (BBC)
Cabin crew at British Airways vote overwhelmingly in favour of a planned 12 days of strike action over Christmas and the New Year in a dispute over job cuts and changes to staff contracts. (BBC)
Centre-right candidate Sebastian Piñera wins the first round of the presidential election in Chile, and will face a run off with centre-left candidate Eduardo Frei on January 17. (The Santiago Times) (The Independent) (AP)
Dubai receives a US$10 billion bailout from Abu Dhabi to help fund troubled Dubai World. (Gulf News) (Al Jazeera) (CCTV)
Guinea's military junta reject a proposal by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) of sending an "intervention force" to the country. (AP) (Xinhua)
Sudanese police fire tear gas and detain some 38 protesters in clashes at a planned pro-democracy rally in Omdurman. (AFP) (IOL) (BBC)
A Bangkok court extends the detention of the crew of the seized Ilyushin Il-76, a cargo aircraft loaded with 35 tonnes of arms from North Korea, charging them with the illegal possession of weapons. (Thai News Agency) (BBC)
It is revealed that China's People's Liberation Army has built a massive underground tunnel in the Hebei region to protect its nuclear weapons. (The Chosun Ilbo)
Austrian bank Hypo Alpe-Adria-Bank International is nationalised to avert a bank collapse. (Reuters)
TeliaSonera opens the world's first 4G LTE cellular network for public in Oslo, Norway, and Stockholm, Sweden. (The Inquirer) (Wall Street Journal)

ITN candidates for December 14

Veined Octopus

Researchers report that the Veined Octopus retrieves coconut shells to use as shelter, becoming the first invertebrate recorded to use tools. [20] [21] The article would need some more citations though. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Sounds good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephia karta (talk • contribs)

Updated. Posting soon, if there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Ground breaking discovery, highly featured on a lot of news sites and channels. However, can we change "recorded" to "known" or "observed" or some such since it's quite conceivable there could be hundreds of invertebrates doing this sort of thing and this happens to be the first that humans have witnessed. HJMitchellYou rang? 13:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reworded to "known" since it is shorter. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could we change "it is reported that…" to "the veined octopus is observed retrieving"? Its still a passive sentence, I admit, but the evidence is there for all to see (even made into onto Spanish TV news this lunchtime). Physchim62 (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I will try it. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Launch of WISE

'NASA launches the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (artist's impression pictured), which will conduct an all-sky survey for infrared astronomy.' [22], article has been updated. Modest Genius ^talk 20:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Launching space probes is what NASA does for a living, it's done it for nearly fifty years now, there's nothing special about this one. Physchim62 (talk) 21:22, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks a lot. I am going to revert it back for now. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As listed on WP:ITNR: 'The launch of satellites, shuttles, and any space mission in general.'. We list every single space shuttle mission, why should we not list the first NASA astronomy launch since Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope 18 months ago? Modest Genius ^talk 22:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This probably isn't the place to discuss it, but as a comment, I don't think we should discuss every single space mission. This particular mission doesn't seem to be particularly significant within the general encyclopedic area of space missions: it's doing something that's been done before, but a bit better. Physchim62 (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The same could be said about Planck, Spitzer, the International Space Station etc, they're all 'just' better ways of doing the same thing. WISE will be at least 1,000 times better than all previous all-sky IR surveys. Modest Genius^talk 23:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's ITNR, and it's a good article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:What I have seen until now is that, we feature launch of every thing larger than a football into space(if somebody report it here). Also as User:Modest Genius mentioned this is also in our guide book.--yousaf465' 05:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Nothing too special. Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 22:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Central Asia – China gas pipeline

Chinese leader Hu Jintao together with the leaders of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan inaugurates the Central Asia – China gas pipeline during his visit to Turkmenistan.(Reuters) Beagel (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards support. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Article is decent and this is a big topic. --Tone 08:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is important geopolitically. We recently had the Nord Stream project featured on ITN (September 17). This is comparable to that. __meco (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon if there is no objection... --BorgQueen (talk) 14:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orient Express

The Orient Express ceases to operate. [23] [24] I have to admit that I am not really familiar with the train service. Just wondered if its end would be notable enough for us? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I take it from the article that it has been shortened over the past few years. I'm not sure there is anything notable about this aside from the historical value. Oppose --Plasma Twa 2 06:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. Not ITN stuff, given the recent status of the line. --Tone 08:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This railroad is highly iconic, and in my estimation it could even be said to epitomize an era, or at least a central aspect of an era, of modern western civilization. I think its final closing down has symbolic value that we ought not to overlook __meco (talk) 11:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I wouldn't go quite a far as Meco, but the railway is very well known- there have been books writtena bout it, television programmes (and I think films) made about it. HJMitchellYou rang? 17:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Agatha Christie's Murder on the Orient Express and Ian Fleming's From Russia, with Love, to name a few. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I would say it's one of the two most famous railway lines in the world, along with the Trans-Siberian railroad. That said, the last Paris-Istanbul train ran in 1977. I like this item for its iconic historic value but the fact is that for a long time the 'Orient Express' has been that in name only. Also, posting this item might be very misleading, making people think that the actual Paris-Istanbul line is being discontinued presently. --Johnsemlak (talk) 18:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: The end of the Orient Express is definitely an historic event. But the service has watered down to the extent where the train doesn't even reach the 'orient' anymore (anything beyond Vienna). Still, I say include it with the wording "the last remnant of the Orient Express".sephia karta di mi 19:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - notable. Cargoking talk 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go for a support on this one as it is (finally) the end of what is perhaps the most famous train line in the world - Dumelow (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this has sufficient support. How about: "The original Orient Express train service, established in 1883, is discontinued". I used original to avoid confusion with the Venice-Simplon Orient Express private service per here. You could insert "the last remnant of" if you wanted (per User:sephia karta) - Dumelow (talk) 12:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the article currently needs more citations. If anyone is willing to help, it will be appreciated. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right, I can't believe that there are only five refs for the whole article! Maybe someone will add a few more - Dumelow (talk) 12:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, I cannot believe that Wikipedia editors have not had an interest in improving this. Alas I have not much time until at least the weekend to even attempt such a gigantic task. --can dle •wicke 18:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Paul Samuelson

U.S. economist Paul Samuelson, the winner of the John Bates Clark Medal in 1947 and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1970, died. His death was not unexpected but I wondered if his notability would meet our death criteria. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections? --BorgQueen (talk) 01:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A former winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics definetly meets the death criteria, I think. Support --Plasma Twa 2 02:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has come up before, and while I agree any Nobel laureate is a notable individual, the fact is there are ten or so of them every year. I'm not familiar enough with his impact on economics. I would have considered John Kenneth Galbraith a cinch to be posted as a notable economist. How does Samuelson compare?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to this source, he was an adviser to two U.S. presidents, and his "signature textbook", Economics: An Introductory Analysis, has been translated into 40 languages and sold more than 4 million copies. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been updated. Blurb: U.S. economistPaul Samuelson, a Nobel laureate and one of the founders of neo-Keynesian economics, dies at the age of 94. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ITN update is overdue. Posting soon, believing there won't be any objections. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. I do have a minor objection; partially on the US centricity, but also because ITN is meant to present current events in fairly good shape; this article certainly is not in good shape. Though maybe I'm just being bureaucratic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizardman (talk • contribs)

I might have agreed with you 15 minutes ago. The article has just been significantly expanded by User:Wikiwatcher1. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We could add a photo of him, the article has a PD one. (And the PKK flag is drawing complains so it would be time for a change.) --Tone 08:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Have the death criteria on ITN undergone a major change in the recent months? I never followed the debate, but I seem to recall that deaths were generally not a topic for ITN except in very special cases. I certainly do not think everyone who has received a Nobel Prize should get an ITN spot when they die. We have real news. Things are happening in the world. Unless the death of this individual which, buy the way, I have not heard of, has caused a surge in discussing his scientific legacy with copious articles debating his work and impact (not mere obituaries) I don't approve of this becoming an ITN item. __meco (talk) 11:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read our death criteria? It says: The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such. According to this, Samuelson certainly qualifies. If you think this needs to be changed, you might want to start a new discussion on Wikipedia talk:In the news. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And the fact you haven't personally heard of him is quite irrelevant, because his field is a highly specialized one. In fact, I haven't heard of him either, but then I don't know anyone in modern economics. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is however my point in a nutshell. We are presenting this to the world as something everybody should consider an important event. Now, why should people start getting interested in Neo-Keynesian economics because this person dies? They shouldn't. They should have this discipline in a top world headline if something important in the economcs science or world economy made it relevant. Neo-Keynesian economics is no more essntial reading now than it was the day before he died. I am abhorred by the laxity and consequences of that guideline. __meco (talk) 13:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I might add that the link which you provided requires a consensus for the item to be posted. Just to polemicize briefly against these criteria, they open for adding the death of a person based on simply that "The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such." That is absurd. How many fields of expertise are there? And this single criterion would suffice to fulfill that criterion. If this is taken to its logical conclusion we will have scores of Nobel Prize laureates in the ITN headlines every year (a lot of prizes are shared), and Nobel Prize laureates of course constitute only a small fraction of all people who die who would qualify by these criteria. __meco (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When the past discussion to revise the death criteria was initiated the rationale was as follwos: should the death criterion be changed to occasionally list one or two deaths of extremely notable people whose deaths don't warrant substantial article updates? In 2007 and 2008, the deaths of Pavarotti, Arthur C. Clarke, Edmund Hillary, Bobby Fischer, and Charlton Heston were not included because—despite their widely acknowledged notability and importance." That gist I can understand. What is happening here if this headline isn't taken out of the ITN box would be detrimental to the cohesion of the consensus which cemented the revised guideline. __meco (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I might add that the link which you provided requires a consensus for the item to be posted. I am aware of that, and I did obtain consensus, didn't I? You are the only one who is opposing this, in fact, you are opposting the current death criteria, implemented by User:Spencer in February 2009, itself. While I agree that we shouldn't list every Nobel laureate's death, Samuelson's status stands out even among them. According to our article: The Swedish Royal Academies stated, when awarding the prize, that he "has done more than any other contemporary economist to raise the level of scientific analysis in economic theory."[1] Economic historian Randall E. Parker calls him the "Father of Modern Economics",[2] and The New York Times considered him to be the "foremost academic economist of the 20th century."[3]

Having said that, you are entitled to make objections to the current criteria if you think it should be changed. Please feel free to start a new discussion on Wikipedia talk:In the news, as I suggested before. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I stand down. __meco (talk) 14:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

December 13, 2009 (Sunday)

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair states in an interview that he would have gone to war in Iraq even if he had known that it had no weapons of mass destruction. (The Times) (The Daily Telegraph)
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown makes an unannounced visit to Afghanistan to support British forces deployed as part of the International Security Assistance Force and to hold talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. (BBC)
2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference
- Danish police arrest 200 protesters heading for Copenhagen harbour, on the second day of demonstrations at the United Nations Climate Change Conference. (The Times) (AP)
- Campaigners in Copenhagen criticise "heavy handed" tactics by Danish police after 968 people are arrested as a result of protests surrounding the United Nations Climate Change Conference (BBC) (BBC:In Pictures)
Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei accuses the pro-reform opposition of breaking the law after state television allegedly showed opposition supporters destroying images of founder Ruhollah Khomeini.
Joe McElderry wins the sixth series of the UK version of ITV's The X Factor produced by FremantleMedia's talkbackTHAMES and Simon Cowell's Syco TV. This meant that Cheryl Cole was the first mentor to win two consecutive series. (AP) (Press TV) (Al Jazeera) (BBC)
Voters in Chile go to the polls in presidential and parliamentary elections. (Xinhua) (Reuters)
Over 100 suspected Islamic militants break into a prison in the Philippine city of Isabela, freeing at least 31 inmates and killing two, including a prison guard. (Philippine Star)^{[permanent dead link]} (BBC)
Chinese President Hu Jintao opens the Kazakhstan–China oil pipeline connecting central Asia to China. (Press TV) (BBC)
The Sarejevo-Belgrade rail link resumes between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia after 18 years. (BBC) (AP)
Violence erupts in Turkey after the Constitutional Court of Turkey bans the Democratic Society Party over its alleged terrorist links. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian)
India successfully test fires its nuclear-capable "Dhanush" missile off the Orissa coast. (Press Trust of India) (China Daily) (The Hindu)
Global consulting firm Accenture and multinational corporation Procter & Gamble end their endorsement deals with golfer Tiger Woods following a marital infidelity controversy. (Wall Street Journal) (BBC News) (Bloomberg)
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is hit in the face and knocked to the ground after a political rally in Milan. (BBC News) (CNN)
Leaders of north and south Sudan reach a deal on a referendum for the south's independence in 2011. (AFP) (Reuters)

ITN candidates for December 13

Paul Samuelson

Influential economist Paul Samuelson dies at the age of 94 in Belmont, Massachusetts.

Support as nominator The passing of an intellectual giant of indisputable, worldwide, historical notability certainly merits mention in our little box once the article is updated more. Madcoverboy (talk) 00:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Already nominated above. Still, thank you for your nom. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines Prison Raid

Probably worth keeping an eye on this in case any notable islamists have been freed --Daviessimo (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. However, I don't think there's enough information yet to determine how "newsworthy" the story is. I'll add it to P:CE anyway. HJMitchell You rang? 11:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geminids

A reliable spectacular meteor shower the Geminids (occurs annually in December) will occur December 7-17, 2009 with the most favourable conditions the night of December 13, 14 for viewing 120 yellow, green and blue meteors per hour.IMO [25]SriMesh talk 20:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Whilst meteor showers are nice, they're also pretty common (yes I know this is likely to be the best in 2009 for North America). Personally I think we should wait until there's a meteor storm (ZHR>1,000) before putting it up, otherwise we have several problems, viz 1) we would have to include at least the Geminids, Leonids, Orionids and Perseids every year, at a minimum 2) when exactly do we post it, especially for the longer showers which can last a week with no obvious peak date? 3) are they actually 'in the (mainstream) news' anywhere? Modest Genius ^talk 17:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan villages ponder independence

Organisers of an informal 'referendum' on independence for Catalonia hope for a big turnout today to help push their separatist campaign onto the mainstream political agenda. (RTÉ News) Cargoking talk 11:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This one is being reported in Germany, Netherlands, France and as far away as Taiwan and Argentina. --can dle •wicke 15:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am tempted, but still... the referendum was informal. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This has no legal status, and is nothing more than a large-scale opinion poll. Modest Genius ^talk 17:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Turnout was lower than hoped for – about 30% (it was a cold, wet and windy day here in Catalonia…) – but that's still 200,000 voters, rather more than a "large-scale opinion poll"! I think the story can probably wait, as there will be more polls in February and April. The article (Catalonian independence referendums, 2009–2010) isn't in great shape either. Physchim62 (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

December 12, 2009 (Saturday)

Annise Parker is elected Mayor of Houston, which becomes the largest United States city with an openly gay person elected mayor. (CBS News) (New York Times)
Police in Denmark detain 900 people after thousands gather in Copenhagen to demand more action on climate change and global warming by leaders at the United Nations Climate Change Conference. (BBC) (Al Jazeera) (Economic Times)
Police in Thailand seize a plane carrying weapons from North Korea to an unknown destination, detaining 5 crew. (Bangkok Post)^{[permanent dead link]} (BBC)
The leaders of Cuba and Venezuela sign over US$3.2 billion worth of trade and cooperation agreements. (Channel News Asia)
The Georgian breakaway region of Abkhazia holds its first presidential elections. (euronews) (UPI) (Al Jazeera) (The Georgian Times)
President of the Philippines Gloria Arroyo lifts martial law in Maguindanao in the south of the country, where 57 people were killed in political violence there last month. (The Philippine Star)^{[permanent dead link]} (AP)
Golfer Tiger Woods announces he is taking an indefinite break from the sport after a scandal over his infidelity in order to focus on "being a better husband, father, and person". (ABC)
The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency has cancelled the contract of its private security firm with Xe Services LLC, previously known as Blackwater, for its services related to Drone operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (Dawn)

ITN candidates for December 12

Annise Parker

Annise Parker becomes the first openly gay person elected Mayor of a major U.S. City, becoming Mayor-elect of Houston this evening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Houstonbuildings (talk • contribs)

Support A similar news article was made when Johanna Siguroardottir become Prime Minister of Iceland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Houstonbuildings (talk • contribs)

Support. "Ms. Parker’s success came in a conservative state where voters have outlawed gay marriage and a city where a referendum on granting benefits to same-sex partners of city employees was soundly defeated", "it was lost on no one in Houston, a city of 2.2 million people, that her election would mark a milestone for gay men and lesbians around the country". The New York Times thinks it will affect the entire country and I see no reason to disagree when I read about events such as this from last month. --can dle •wicke 05:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Candlewicke because of the election's broader implications and with the caveat that this should have no precedential impact on future municipal politics suggestions. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is in a good condition; I am going to post soon if there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I remember several years ago it was suggested adding the mayor of Portland, who was the first openly gay person to be elected Mayor of a major U.S. City. I believe we decided not to put it up for several reasons, which sadly I cannot remember. --Plasma Twa 2 09:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Spare me the "But it's in Texas" stuff, please. --Plasma Twa 2 09:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose According to this BBC article, Houston is not the first US city to elect an openly gay mayor, so, as such, this is not as notable as it seems --Daviessimo (talk) 10:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral. To clarify, the beeb article says that Houston is the largest US city to have elected an openly gay mayor so far, which could be quite notable. Two of the others are Portland, Oregon and Providence, Rhode Island. I'd have to know which other cities are on the list before I can form an opinion on its notability/newsworthiness. HJMitchell You rang? 11:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Citing that at least Portland was before Houston posting this would just be too US-centric, even if acknowledging that Texas is a much more conservative state than Oregon. __meco (talk) 12:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Response'. The Term Major is ambiguous, in my opinion it means Top 10 cities, or over One Million, both of course Houston fulfills, while Portland and Providence do not fulfill either one. Houstonbuildings (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Houston is the largest city in the WORLD to elect an openly gay mayor. Houstonbuildings (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a close call, but Paris (France, not Texas!) has a population which is almost exactly the same as Houston's, and has had an openly gay mayor (Bertrand Delanoë) since 2001. Physchim62 (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As per reasons above, though this one is close IMO.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Congratulations to the lady, but I don't think this story has enough surprise value to be featured on the main page. IMHO, both Portland, Oregon, and Providence, Rhode Island, are notable U.S. cities – we're not talking about Hicksville, Nostate, in either case, even if both are much smaller in population than Houston. To argue that Texas is a conservative state is being a bit UScentric for my taste. Would we putting up the election of a gay mayor of Glasgow, Scotland? I think not, and that's why I don't think we should include this one either. Physchim62 (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response. Houston is larger than Glascow, it is larger than Winnipeg, and it is larger than Paris. I think it is the largest city in the world to elect an openly gay mayor. Houstonbuildings (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It might be the largest by a few thousand people, but I would consider Paris to be much more important internationally, and obviously the position of mayor in Paris is much more significant than mayor of Houston (Not to mention the metro area of Paris is double that of Houston, though the mayor doesn't really factor into that). Besides, being the largest of something is no reason to put it on ITN. The fact is that Houston is not the first major city anywhere to elect an openly gay mayor. --Plasma Twa 2 23:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is purely an opinion to say that while Paris is smaller, it is more important. An opinion that denies equal opportunity to American Issues. When the Prime Minister of Iceland was mentioned, it was for Head of Government. (The Prime Minister of Iceland does not have as much power as President). Houstonbuildings (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is not only an opinion that I share; I use the global city and List of cities by GDP articles as reference. Paris is considered one of the most important cities in the world by many people; Houston is not. Its metro area is twice as big and its GDP is sixth largest in the world; Houston's isn't even the biggest in Texas. And once again, I say that even if it is the largest city by population, it is not the first American city to elect a gay mayor. You claiming major city as being in the top ten population-wise is purely your opinion as well. I will not comment on the Irish Prime Minister, though the Head of Government of a country is much more important than a mayor. --Plasma Twa 2 01:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And to put this to bed, Berlin elected a gay mayor in 2001. The population of Berlin is 3.4 million. --Plasma Twa 2 01:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question Is Houston the first city to elect a lesbian mayor? How significant would that be?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think pretty notable. Berlin, Paris, Winnipeg, Portland, and Providence all elected gay men. Houstonbuildings (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ITN has traditionally made no seperation between men and women. Last week when the first lesbian was elected a bishop of the Anglican church, it was decided that it was not notable, as she was the second gay person to be elected bishop. I'll use the same argument that Tone used a week ago: If we go by sexual orientation, there have been other openly gay people who have been elected as mayor in bigger cities. --Plasma Twa 2 04:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose If this was the first openly-gay person elected mayor in the US, I would be up for supporting. However, Portland is hardly an inconsequential place. The suggestion that we should put this up just because Houston has a bigger population has a horrible precedent; do we then nominate every mayor-elect for a city that has a larger pop than Houston? We have to consider this from a worldwide perspective; one city in a country which has already elected gay mayors before getting its own gay mayor is not significant enough, in my opinion. HonouraryMix (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If a city with One Million people elected a gay mayor, then I see your point, but Houston is 5 times as big as Portland. As Well as the second largest city in the world with a gay mayor. Additionally, with Plasma's point about the Anglican Church Bishop, this was the second time it ever happened. Gay Mayors have been elected many times before as you point out, but never with a Woman. With the Anglican Bishop case, we do not know what percentage will be male or female because we have only had 2 cases. With the Mayor case, we have had 6 major cases, all being men. Houstonbuildings (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Ingram

In college football, Mark Ingram of the University of Alabama Crimson Tide wins the 2009 Heisman Trophy.[26] _{Entered by User:Richard. 21:56, 12 December 2009}

OK, I know this doesn't have a snowball's chance, but for those of you not familiar with the Heisman Trophy, I'd like to point out that it is the most-famous individual honor in American sports and that Ingram is the first person in the rich history of Alabama football to win the award. So I'll support in what I foresee will be a losing effort. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Yes this award is certainly a big deal in college athlethics. Showtime2009 (talk) 03:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The surfing item would've had laughingly easier chance of being posted than this one. –Howard the Duck 03:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. But I have nothing to do with any complaints. I am not in any way familiar with this trophy, Mr. Ingram or the rich history of Alabama football. --can dle •wicke 04:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support High level, high profile award in a sport that draws significant attention. RxS (talk) 04:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I like the idea, we don't post anyother MVP awards on here. If we start with this, why not post it. We could use some good news on here. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 08:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The history of the award aside, it is a MVP award, and while I don't want to be the one to bring this up, it is an U.S.-only award. That said, most MVP awards are given at the end of the season and included with the entry about the champion, and it is reasonably well known internationally; at least in Canada, since Heisman Trophy winners have had a history in the CFL. If this goes up we better brace ourselves for the American-centric argument again. --Plasma Twa 2 09:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Well its not just a case of American-centric arguments, it just something that highlights the systemic biases of Wikipedia. There is no other similar award from any other country that would have any chance of getting onto the main page. I mean what makes the Heisman Trophy more important than say the PFA Players' Player of the Year (which is a comparible award), given that more prestigious international awards such as the Ballon d'Or or FIFA World Player of the Year don't go up. There are also international awards in other sports like cricket and rugby that aren't listed, which again prompts the question why is American Football so important and why should it receive preferential treatment?--Daviessimo (talk) 10:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, the articles haven't been properly updated yet. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose simply because otherwise this might be the most resilient snowball ever! Modest Genius^talk 18:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose We didn't post the Ballon D'or, the most prestigious individual award in football. It certainly appears that individual awards for team sports don't get much luv on ITN. --Johnsemlak (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not going to argue this one too forcefully, but it's worth pointing out that the Heisman has a kind of cachet that I don't think any other individual sports honor has that I know of, in America or elsewhere. Few people know what the NFL MVP award looks like or can run down the names of NBA MVPs, but every kid with a football in America knows the "Heisman pose" and has tried to emulate it. There's even a website about it -- [27]. (Also try a Google Images search for "Heisman pose". -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abkhazian presidential election, 2009

Abkhazia, the partially recognised breakaway state of Georgia holds the Abkhazian presidential election, 2009. If a second round is necessary it must be held before 26 December. This may or may not be ITN material depending on whether people think we should put elections of partially recognised countries up - Dumelow (talk) 11:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 22:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. sephia karta di mi 20:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Regardless of people's opinions on partially recognised states, from what I know of the politics of the region, this is notable and newsworthy. HJMitchell You rang? 04:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when the president is elected but the blurb should mention the contested status of Abkhazia. --Tone 12:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Isn't it starting to get a bit ridiculous to have all Presidential elections from all European micro-states or Pacific Islands, countries which have roughly the same population as a small US city. Hektor (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. It is wonderful to learn of such faraway countries. :) --can dle •wicke 04:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not going to oppose because I'm an ITN inclusionist, but I agree with Hektor's point that Abkhazia has a population of only 200,000. I think it's absurd to put up a semi-sovereign territory of 200,000 and not have the results of a governor's election in a U.S. state of 20 million. Instead of establishing "rules" that all events of type X (such as national elections in partially recognized countries) or no events of type Y (such as U.S. state elections) should go up, we should judge each event individually based on the encyclopedia-ness, news value, reader interest and quality of associated Wikipedia content. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't we doing that? I did anyway. It may be only partially recognised but somebody somewhere does recognise it so I still support. --can dle •wicke 04:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow I feel that elections in small countries still have larger international consequences than elections in big American states.sephia karta di mi 13:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial results are in, and they show a 59% percent first round victory for incumbent President Bagapsh. Opposition candidates have said they will contest the results.[28] sephia karta di mi 13:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SupportAbkhazia was been de facto independent for just about as long as Georgia has been. Houstonbuildings (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Most (all but three countries) of the world recognizes Abhazia as part of Georgia and thus these are local (i.e. non-national) elections. I agree with the above point that if we can't include major governor elections in the US (which get a lot more coverage internationally), this shouldn't be posted. If the fallout from this results in a noteworthy diplomatic row in the region, I might recommend posting that. I don't think we need to post this if the election occurs without any particular controversy. It should be said that there are many quasi 'independent' states in the former USSR--this kind of disputed status isn't really that uncommon.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't think that the legality of Abkhazia makes a difference for the newsworthiness of this election. The fact of the matter is that it is internationally an independent political actor. Look at it this way: if these were really 'local' elections, Georgia wouldn't have condemned them, would it? Including election results from faraway small states, including this one, goes a long way towards countering systemic bias. FYI, there are not that many cases like Abkhazia worldwide, not more than about 8 if you include Taiwan and Kosovo.sephia karta di mi 17:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the overall consensus supports this nom, the article is in a reasonably good shape. Shall I post it? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support posting the results for the reasons above; but how do we describe them? I suggest "Sergei Bagapsh is elected President of Abkhazia" or something along those lines. Physchim62 (talk) 16:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Sergei Bagapsh wins a 61% first round majority for a second term as President of Abkhazia, whose status is internationally disputed."?sephia karta di mi 16:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not a sovereign state, non-notable election. It's no Palestine. Grsz¹¹ 16:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. I noticed your oppose, Grsz11, but still the supports clearly outnumber the opposes. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Gibraltar becomes Miss World 2009

Kaiane Aldorino, Miss Gibraltar, becomes Miss World 2009. Hektor (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
[reply]

Talking about European micro-states... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hektor (talk • contribs)

The article Kaiane Aldorino is currently too short, and the article Miss World 2009 needs more prose update. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since we had Miss Universe on ITN, I support on condition that the article needs expansion. --Tone 19:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 11

December 11, 2009 (Friday)

Papua New Guinea's chief Ombudsman Chronox Manek is wounded in an apparent assassination attempt.(ABC Radio)
Judges in the Constitutional Court of Turkey vote unanimously to ban the country's Democratic Society Party because of its alleged links to Kurdish terrorists. (The Guardian)
Vasily Khristoforov, the head archivist for Russia's Federal Security Service confirms for the first time that the Soviet Union's KGB cremated Adolf Hitler's body in 1970 and scattered his ashes in the Biederitz River. (CNN)
Oil company Royal Dutch Shell wins the right to develop Iraq's Majnoon oil field in a joint venture with Petronas after the first such auction since the 2003 invasion. The field is expected to generate $900 million a year. (BBC) (Forbes)
Pope Benedict XVI releases a statement stating that he shares the "outrage, betrayal and shame" felt by the Irish people over the findings of the Murphy Report into sexual abuse by the Catholic clergy in Dublin. (RTÉ) (BBC) (CNN)
The United States threatens Iran with "significant new sanctions" over the country's nuclear programme according to US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. (BBC)
The body of the former President of Cyprus Tassos Papadopoulos is stolen from the grave, a day before the first anniversary of his death. (Cyprus News Agency) (BBC) (Daily Telegraph)
Former Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei says that if he decides to run in the presidential election in Egypt in 2011, he will run as an independent candidate instead of running as a candidate of any of the political parties in Egypt. (Reuters)
The discovery of the Triassic theropod dinosaur genus Tawa is announced. (AP) (Scientific American) (Times Online)
North Korea acknowledges "the need to resume" the stalled six-party talks on its nuclear program, after talks with U.S. envoy Stephen Bosworth. (Yonhap) (AP) (BBC)
The Airbus A400M from Airbus Military performs its maiden flight in Seville, Spain. (Reuters)

ITN candidates for December 11

Constitutional Court of Turkey bans the Democratic Society Party

The Constitutional Court of Turkey bans the chairman and 36 members of the Democratic Society Party from politics for five years over the party's alleged links to Kurdish terrorists. [29] --BorgQueen (talk) 10:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt blurb:

The Constitutional Court of Turkey bans the Democratic Society Party and expel its chairman Ahmet Türk from the Parliament, over the party's alleged links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been properly updated and the ITN update is overdue. Let me know if anyone has objections. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support since this was a parliamentarian party. Ahmet Türk would need some update as well. --Tone 13:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updated; posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gunmen seize at least 75 hostages in Philippines

Gunmen seize at least 75 hostages in Philippines at Wikinews. Maybe? Cargoking talk 10:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tawa (dinosaur)

The discovery of the Triassic theropod dinosaur genus Tawa is announced. (AP) (Scientific American) (Times Online) The article needs to be expanded though. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:38, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded, but needs more citations. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a few more, seems like a good choice. RxS (talk) 06:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not as excited about new dinosaurs being discovered as I am about species in the human lineage. Let's not discard other important items to favor this one. __meco (talk) 07:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What "other important items"? Currently this is the only one nomination with no objections, and the timer is red. (Cobell v. Salazar is a good one too, but the article is almost beyond redemption) Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't asserting there were other important items. If there aren't any I don't mind this being posted. __meco (talk) 08:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First flight of the Airbus A400M

The Airbus A400M from Airbus Military performs its maiden flight in Seville, Spain. (Reuters). Hektor (talk) 06:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CommentWell I'm in a bit of doubt here, should we or shouldn't we feature it ITN. Personally I could but what is so special about this aircraft ? --yousaf465' 05:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Answer - First Airbus designed only for military missions, first Airbus with turboprops, first Airbus produced in Spain, designed as a successor/competitor to legendary C-130 Hercules, project with a controversial and long story. An opportunity to put the spot on military transport aircraft articles. Hektor (talk) 07:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did had this in mind when I made the above comments, except for first in Spain. Well we can wait for more users input, although I'm leaning towards support.--yousaf465' 09:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 10

December 10, 2009 (Thursday)

The credit rating of Greece is downgraded, leading to increased pessimism regarding the Greek economy. (BBC)
Pakistani officials arrest five US citizens wanted by the FBI on suspicion of terrorism. (BBC)
Thousands of "red shirt" anti-government protesters demonstrate in Bangkok, Thailand, calling for new elections. (Thai News Agency) (AFP) (Xinhua)
In what has been described as a landmark case, the Supreme Court of Ireland rules that a gay man, identified as "A", who donated his sperm to a lesbian couple shall have access to the resulting boy child, overturning the original High Court decision. GLEN expresses concern at the Supreme Court's rejection of the lesbian couple as a "de facto family". (RTÉ) (Irish Examiner) (The Irish Times) (BBC)
It is revealed that Egypt is building an iron wall up to 100 feet deep along its border with Gaza. (The National) (Xinhua) (The Daily Telegraph)
New 4,000-page Spanish grammar guidelines, produced by the Spanish Royal Academy and 21 organizations in Spanish-speaking countries, are unveiled. (AP)
India announces it is to create a new state, Telangana, out of Andhra Pradesh, with some officials resigning in protest. (Indian Express) (BBC) (Reuters)
18 hostages are released after at least 65 people are kidnapped by gunmen in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, the Philippines. (Philippine Inquirer) (CNN)
A failed launch of an intercontinental missile RSM-56 Bulava by Russia is reported to be the cause of the mysterious spiral light seen over Northern Norway yesterday. (BBC) (South Africa Mercury) (ITAR-TASS)
U.S. President Barack Obama accepts the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, Norway. (CNN) (New York Times) (BBC)

ITN candidates for December 10

2009 Nobel Peace Prize

Barack Obama formally accepted the Nobel Peace Prize and gave a 36-minute speech. I updated the article a bit, and I'm sure more people will update it throughout the day. I also updated the link to Wikisource to the text of his speech. Given the headlines this is getting on all major news sites, I think it should be on ITN. Otebig (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. We already featured it once. This is just a formality. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As per BorgQueen's point. HonouraryMix (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Ditto. Cargoking talk 19:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There are two more suitable American nominations under yesterday. --can dle •wicke 21:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OpposeAlready featured.--yousaf465' 06:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Indian state

India announces plans to create the state of Telangana out of Andhra Pradesh

The wording could be improved, but the announcement seems significant, and has gotten some international attention. I wouldn't be opposed to holding off on this 'til the state is formally created. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 18:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait until the state is actually created. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should go with it now, and tie in a mention of the hunger strike by Kalvakuntla Chandrashekar Rao and the students marching on Hyderabad. The final establishment will be some months from now, and is comparatively minor news from the major political events that led to this decision being made. The Tom (talk) 21:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At least 76 MLAs have resigned due to this, but I think we should wait a bit. I--yousaf465' 06:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)t's to early to put on ITN.[reply]

December 9

December 9, 2009 (Wednesday)

An unexplained spiral light seen in the sky across large parts of Northern Norway confounds spectators. Authorities speculate that the light could come from a misfired Russian rocket, but Russian authorities deny this. (Daily Mail) (The Daily Telegraph)
Thousands of Jewish settlers stage a protest at the curbs on settlement building in the West Bank. (BBC) (Xinhua) (Times of India)
British Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling delivers the pre Budget report, with tax rises and spending cuts to reduce the government debt. (BBC) (Wall Street Journal)
Irish Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan delivers the nation's Budget for 2010. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ) (BBC)
The Irish Bishops Conference apologises for the sexual abuse suffered by its children after spending the first day of its winter conference examining the Murphy Report. (RTÉ) (Irish Independent) (Javno)^{[permanent dead link]} (BBC)
24 people are charged with rebellion after 57 people were killed during the Maguindanao massacre in the southern Philippines last month. (Manilla Bulletin) (Straits Times)
A legal challenge to Ireland's abortion laws takes place at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. (RTÉ) (BBC)
The Australian government is accused of "censorship" after it refuses visas to several North Korean artists who were to attend an international exhibition displaying their work. (The Times) (BBC) (AFP)
India plans to secure its naval harbours with electric fences "against clandestine threats from the sea". (BBC)
Chinese police recommend that prosecutors formally charge dissident Liu Xiaobo for "subversion of state power" after he was detained for a year without trial. (BBC) (Radio Television Hong Kong) (New York Times)
Tens of thousands of people rally in several cities in Indonesia demanding the government do more to tackle political corruption. (CNN) (Xinhua) (Jakarta Post)
Aung San Suu Kyi meets with an official from the military junta for the third time, as Burmese state media accuse her of being "dishonest". (Bangkok Post)^{[permanent dead link]} (AP) (BBC)
The United States government agrees to pay $3.4 billion to settle Cobell v. Salazar, a class-action lawsuit brought by Native American representatives who claimed that it has incorrectly accounted for Native American trust assets. (Los Angeles Times) (Xinhua) (Voice of America)
For the first time since the return of democracy in 1986, the Congress of the Philippines is debating in a joint session to discuss whether to approve, revoke or extend the declaration of martial law in Maguindanao. (ABS-CBN News)
North Korea announces for the first time an outbreak of the H1N1 swine flu virus in the country. (Yonhap) (Channel News Asia)

ITN candidates for December 9

Death of Rodrigo Carazo Odio

Former President of Costa Rica (1978 – 1982) Rodrigo Carazo Odio died. I recall that the death of Samak Sundaravej has been rejected by consensus recently; I'd like to hear opinions on this one. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose he's been out of office for 27 years. Death was expected (he was 82). And I haven't seen this covered at all in the press. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 17:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh he's been getting coverage in Xinhua, Tico Times... "Against the advice of the International Monetary Fund and his finance minister, he borrowed heavily to maintain the value of the Costa Rican currency, the colón. The policy failed and eventually resulted in a catastrophic devaluation of the colón." Can't be that forgettable. Also, "Of all the former presidents consulted (during the Central America peace talks in the 1980s), he was the first to give support to the peace plan with the firmness and integrity that characterized him". I will say support. (And Xinhua is not near Costa Rica either, is it?) --can dle •wicke 21:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Norwegian spiral anomaly

Telegraph.co.uk → There has been quite a bit of international press over this night-sky anomaly that happened early this morning. MuZemike 02:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't think this is ITN material, unless the cause of the phenomenon turns out to be something really exceptional. Offliner (talk) 03:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: wonderful phenomena. Human made, or natural, it's a wonderful phenomena and potentially a new natural phenomena. Interesting to see for every one. Yug (talk) 07:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. For now I don't think this merits ITN status. It's a spectacular anomaly for sure, and the fact that it was seen across a region spanning approximately 1,000 km as well as the fact that it filled large parts of the sky, in my reasoning makes all assertions that it could have been a misfired rocket seem totally ridiculous. However, that argument is as of yet my personal opinion and until mainstream media accedes that reasoning or some new developments emerge, I think this should be not be posted. __meco (talk) 09:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As more sources emerge corroborating the likelihood that this was rather a misfired Russian Bulava ICBM the story appears to shift considerably. I wonder though if that story might not in itself also be an ITN candidate, but we should perhaps wait until this settles further. Also, having watched several more eyewitness videos it seems that many sightings do not appear as awe-inspiring as some do and that the quote that the phenomenon covered most of the sky only applies to a minor area within the larger geographical area where the light was observed. __meco (talk) 10:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been confirmed that it was another failed test of our tragic missile. [30] Although essential for Russia's military, the missile itself has little importance outside the country, and I would only consider putting it on ITN only if the project was cancelled or if it entered service. Offliner (talk) 11:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can only hope that they are not too essential to the defence of Russia if at least 6 of the past 13 launches have ended in failure! I agree, now that we know it to be one more in a series of missile launches it doesn't seem as significant - Dumelow (talk) 12:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cobell v. Salazar

The United States government agrees to pay $3.4 billion to settle Cobell v. Salazar, a class-action lawsuit brought by Native American representatives who claimed that it has incorrectly accounted for Native American trust assets. [31][32] The settlement is the largest ever Native Americans have received from the U.S. government, ending a 13-year legal battle to resolve a dispute that dates back to the late 19th century. However, the article Cobell v. Salazar needs a major cleanup. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this seems pretty significant. though, as you said, a lot of work is needed on the article - Dumelow (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, after work done on the page. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 21:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 21:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know about it's true significance but gauging from the the other editor's response it seems to be an important case in history of U.S.A legal system.--yousaf465' 06:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quiksilver Big Wave Invitational

(BBC) How about this surfing competition? It is only held when the waves are large enough (40ft this year) and as such this is only the eighth time it has been held since 1985 (it is provisionally scheduled for every year). It has been won by a guy called Greg Long (who we don't have an article on yet) - Dumelow (talk) 12:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as far as I can tell this is just about the biggest competition in surfing. WP:ITNR material perhaps? Anyone know more about surfing than I? Modest Genius^talk 05:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surfing on ITNR? Well, if some people complain about badminton or other sports smaller than football or basketball, this would really draw complains. And the article is really short. Leaning towards oppose. --Tone 09:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is too much important happening in the world at the present time that we should give space to such "lighter" items. __meco (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Surfing as a sport is not recognised by the IOC or most international bodies. Important sporting events have build-up and results in the mainstream media: in UK at least, all that was mentioned was the fact that an event took place, and that mainly because it allows a few seconds of nice pictures on the TV. Kevin McE (talk) 08:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 8

December 8, 2009 (Tuesday)

Japan unveils a new ¥7.2 trillion (US$80.6 billion) stimulus package to strengthen the country's economy amid signs it is weakening. (BBC) (Japan Times) (Press TV)
Anti-government protests in Iran continue at universities for a second day, with over 200 arrests. (Press TV) (UPI) (Lebanon Daily Star)
Gunmen in Honduras shoot dead the head of the country's anti-drug trafficking unit, Julian Aristides Gonzalez. (Latin American Herald Tribune) (Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
For the second time in as many years, CBS cancels a United States-produced soap opera, this time As the World Turns after 54 years, in effect putting Procter & Gamble, the creators of said genre, out of that business. (Bloomberg News)
President of Serbia Boris Tadić, his sports minister and ФСС/FSS chief Tomislav Karadzic are punished for breaking FIFA's strict no-alcohol policy at the Stadion Crvena Zvezda on 10 October. (RTÉ) (The Belfast Telegraph)
The ruling junta in Guinea announces it has arrested 60 people so far for attempting to kill leader Captain Moussa Dadis Camara. (BBC) (African Press Agency)^{[permanent dead link]}
Eight children are killed and a further 26 injured in a stampede at a school in Xiangtan, Hunan, in central China. (China Daily) (The Times) (Indian Express)
A series of earthquakes and aftershocks kill a 1 year old child and injure several other people in northern Malawi. (Reuters) (BBC)
A Cambodian court sentences a Thai man on charges of spying for Thailand to 7 years imprisonment. (Thai News Agency) (Financial Times)
Scaled Composites SpaceShipTwo, the world's first commercial spacecraft, is officially unveiled in the Mojave Desert, California. (The Daily Telegraph)
Bombings in Iraq kill over 100 people. (Wall Street Journal) (Al Jazeera)
Burmese authorities burn US$93 million worth of seized narcotic drugs at a ceremony in eastern Shan State. (Xinhua) (Times of India)

ITN candidates for December 8

Scaled Composites SpaceShipTwo

Scaled Composites SpaceShipTwo (pictured), the world's first commercial spacecraft, is officially unveiled in the Mojave Desert, California. [33] --BorgQueen (talk) 15:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, since it's just a PR move. I suggest we wait until it actually starts taking passengers. Modest Genius ^talk 15:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, let's wait for some real flying. --Tone 15:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see no problem with this. They are obviously serious about this project and it's a real milestone. This section is here to highlight our articles and this one is pretty good. Plus it would make for a nice break from the death and elections this section seems to laways focus on. It's an on going story people are intrerested in. RxS (talk) 15:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since when was 'showing it off to the media' a significant milestone? Flying the thing and then the first paying passengers are milestones. PR is not. Modest Genius^talk 16:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is more than a PR move, it's the beginning of an 18th month test period for the worlds first commercial manned spacecraft. That's a pretty real milestone. Not to mention the other points I made. RxS (talk) 18:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wait It's expected to go for it's first maiden in future I think, so until then we should keep our hands off the keyboard.--yousaf465' 08:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this is more than a PR stunt, though it may not be axactly what the headlines bill it to be. My personal inclination would be to highlight also intermediate (as opposed to minor or major) steps of the evolution of commercial space exploration, and on that basis I am excited about this news. I'd like to further discuss featuring this headline. __meco (talk) 16:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since they've unveiled the ship, it is reasonable to expect that the first test flights will follow within months. My support then. --Tone 16:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

8 December 2009 Baghdad bombings

Five bomb blasts in Baghdad, Iraq kill at least 127 people and injure hundreds more (448 at latest count). –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 18:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but article needs to be longer first - Dumelow (talk) 19:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doing...Spitfire^Tally-ho! 20:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this is enough people. More than the entire month of November (122). --can dle •wicke 20:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was just about to say: "how about now?". Regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support well written article. Jolly Ω Janner 21:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, nicely expanded Spitfire. Posted - Dumelow (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting. --Tone 22:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(you've been faster on this one, Dumelow ;-) ) --Tone 22:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

December 7, 2009 (Monday)

Pakistan’s Raffatullah Momand and Aamer Sajjad set a new world record for a second wicket partnership scoring 580 runs in a first-class Quaid-i-Azam Trophy match, breaking the previous record of 576 held by Sri Lanka's Sanath Jayasuriya and Roshan Mahanama.(Dawn)(Cricinfo)
Incumbent President of Romania Traian Băsescu is declared the winner of Sunday's presidential election run-off, with the opposition demanding that the Constitutional Court annul the vote due to electoral fraud. (Associated Press) (realitatea - official final results) (Bloomberg)
Incumbent Northern Mariana Islands Governor Benigno Fitial of the Covenant Party is declared the winner of the 2009 gubernatorial election and runoff over Republican Rep. Heinz Hofschneider. (Saipan Tribune)
President of Guinea Moussa Dadis Camara is reportedly unable to communicate following surgery due to an assassination attempt. (France 24)
At least seven soldiers are shot to death and at least three others are wounded in an ambush at Reşadiye, Tokat Turkey, in the region's deadliest attack this decade. (The New York Times) (Radio Netherlands) (Al Jazeera) (Reuters South Africa) (RIA Novosti) (Xinhua)
Bishop Dermot O'Mahony resigns as patron of The Irish Pilgrimage Trust after his response to child sexual abuse was described as "worse than that of any other living auxiliary bishop of Dublin". (RTÉ) (Press Association)
The United Nations Climate Change Conference opens in Copenhagen. (CNN) (Indian Express) (Bernama) (Times LIVE)
Iranian police clash with thousands of opposition supporters at the annual Student's Day in Tehran, with reports of gunfire being heard. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (Times of India) (Press TV)
At least five people are killed in a blast outside a court complex in Peshawar, Pakistan. (Hindustan Times) (Financial Times)
Sudanese police detain three senior figures from the Sudan People's Liberation Movement, the ruling party in South Sudan, at a demonstration calling for electoral reform in Khartoum. (Sudan Tribune) (AFP) (BBC)
The Supreme Court of Pakistan begins hearing a case against the National Reconciliation Ordinance which protected President Asif Ali Zardari and other key political figures against graft charges. (AP) (Dawn) (Xinhua)
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates admits that the United States has had no information on the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden for many years. (Dawn) (The Independent)
The English town of Swindon becomes the first ever Twin Town of Walt Disney World in the U.S. state of Florida. (BBC) (The Independent)
At least eight people are killed, mainly children, and at least 41 others are wounded due to a school bombing in Baghdad. (Al Jazeera)

ITN candidates for December 7

Soyuz TMA-17

Soyuz TMA-17 will launch December 7 from Baikonur Cosmodrome to the International Space Station ISS. [34] SriMesh talk 04:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says December 20. Postponed apparently. --Tone 23:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Usual ITN stuff, but I think wait for it's Launch. --yousaf465' 03:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reşadiye shooting

This is surely as relevant as this, particularly since it is "the deadliest in the region in more than a decade"? --can dle •wicke 21:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is at Reşadiye shooting. Requires expansion. --can dle •wicke 21:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agree with Candlewicke this article needs to be expanded using a expanding foam ;).--yousaf465' 03:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very poor coverage considering how unusual it was. Oh well.

 Seven soldiers are shot dead and three more are wounded in Reşadiye, Tokat Province, in the region's deadliest attack of the decade.

--can dle •wicke 21:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well? No opposes? :) --can dle •wicke 21:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone? --can dle •wicke 21:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(:(:(:(:(: It appears the pro-Kurdish party has now been outlawed... :(:(:(:(:( --can dle •wicke 23:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United Nations Climate Change Conference 2009

The United Nations Climate Change Conference opens in Copenhagen. (CNN) (Indian Express) (Bernama) (Times LIVE)

Support ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 00:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait until they come up with something significant. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with BorgQueen. --can dle •wicke 21:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, oppose until there's an agreement Modest Genius^talk 23:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I support inclusion now, although I recognize that the consensus is now otherwise. Sometimes a worthy, interesting story is when something begins (e.g., the World Cup draw), and I tend to think we ITN regulars have been a bit too willing to wait until some other story happens. Here, for instance, there'd be nothing wrong with posting the conference's opening now and, when/if it ever occurs, posting the resolution story later. Here, too, the article is quite good now. And if we featured it immediately on ITN, readers could follow the article's progression with events. GreenGourd (talk) 00:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are 100+ heads of government in attendance, so I would say it is already significant whether or not they manage to agree to something.--Pharos (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support inclusion now - this is hugely notable and certainly appropriate. Failure to agree on anything will also be significant. TerriersFan (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Support. I agree with the basic argument that 100 heads of state meeting is a significant event regardless of the conference's results. --Johnsemlak (talk) 10:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Let's have this posted now. This is what the world is focusing on currently and probably will be for the next week and a half, and subsidiary stories are obviously going to surface concurrently. I think it is important that the article about the conference itself is prominently featured simply because so many readers will be looking for a link to it on the front page. If major stories erupt along the way, these may warrant separate ITN items. __meco (talk) 10:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To the admins: There is now a significant consensus for posting this item. __meco (talk) 15:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well... posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Put up a picture of the logo in place of the Romanian president? Colipon+(Talk) 20:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We can't. That's an unfree image. __meco (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

December 6, 2009 (Sunday)

Flamengo wins its sixth Brazilian national football title, following a 2-1 win over Grêmio in the last round of 2009 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A. (Globo)
Restrictions on internet access and foreign media are put in place ahead of the Student's Day in Iran, as former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani urges "freedom" in the country. (Al Jazeera) (CNN) (AP)
There are violent riots and protests in Athens between police and protesters as the city commemorates the first anniversary of the fatal shooting of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos by a police officer. (BBC) (Sky News) (The Guardian)
The opposition Democratic Progressive Party in Taiwan makes large gains in local elections against the Kuomintang. (Taiwan News) (Al Jazeera) (Daily Telegraph)
Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom firmly warns newspaper editors in a letter to cease publication of personal pictures of the British Royal Family after years of being "hounded" by paparazzi. (BBC) (ABC News)
An HIV-positive man is accused of attempting to intentionally infect his wife with the virus, the first case of its kind in New Zealand. (Sunday Star Times) (BBC) (IOL) (The Sydney Morning Herald)
Voters in Bolivia go to the polls for a general election with exit polls indicating that the President of Bolivia Evo Morales has won. (BBC), (AP via Google), (AFP)
Romanians take part in the 2nd round of a presidential election. (HotNews.ro) (AP)
Legislative elections take place in Comoros. (Reuters) (AFP)
Archaeologists discover evidence of mass cannibalism in Europe during the Neolithic period at a 7,000-year-old burial site in Germany. (BBC)

ITN candidates for December 6

Death of Liam Clancy

Number 2. "The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, ("a central figure during the 1960s folk revival") and was recognised as such (Bob Dylan compliment, success in Canada and US, two-hour award-winning documentary + further biography during life, political tributes at death)". Was also still active at death, most recent album being 2009 and planned interview which never was. Has additional image. Discuss? --can dle •wicke 05:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards oppose. --Tone 22:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not well-known. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 04:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a shame. Perhaps he is the victim of a generation gap. He has an obituary in The Daily Telegraph, was admired by Bob Dylan and was part of a group that was once bigger than The Beatles. --can dle •wicke 21:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First for women and lesbians

A diocese in Los Angeles has elected an openly gay bishop, reigniting an issue that has caused deep division. And once caused the formation of a breakaway church (according to the BBC). The Independent prefers to focus on the fact that it also "elected the first female bishop in its 114-year history". News in Indonesia, New Zealand. --can dle •wicke 04:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what's the news here? The gay bishop or the woman? --Plasma Twa 2 22:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Plasma, it is confusing but the news is the lesbian bishop. (Katharine Jefferts Schori is already the presiding bishop.) After reading the comments here I agree with Tone. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about this one. If we focus on orientation, there was a gay bishop elected in 2003. If we focus on the woman bishop, 114 year history of what? Anglicanism is way older than that. And the article is not updated. I am leaning towards oppose, unless there is some significant further development. --Tone 22:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 00:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Tone. I don't see how some random diocese electing the second openly gay bishop is newsworthy enough. Richard(talk) 00:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the second gay bishop in just one religion isn't really enough. Neither, in my opinion, is being the first time that this particular diocese has had a woman bishop - Dumelow (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Please take this off the main page. This will be the butt of jokes for Wikipedia being a Western-centric LGBT-run liberal haven. I am certain there are many, many, more important things that has happened in the world on this day. Colipon+(Talk) 00:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the item from the main page per the consensus here. It can always be readded if the consensus changes (and is brand new so has plenty of time yet) - Dumelow (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bolivian election

The Bolivian general election, 2009 during which Bolivians will elect a new Nation Congress, President and Vice President, although there is provision for a run-off election if no candidate achieves sufficient votes. The will be the first to be held under the new constitution approved by referendum on 25 January 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 11:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, when we have results. --Tone 22:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still only just over 91% of votes counted but it looks like Evo Morales and Álvaro García Linera will get to be President and Vice-President without the need for a second round so this should be good to go once the remainder of the votes are in - Dumelow (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian election

Also the runoff for the Romanian presidential election, 2009 will occur, seeing either Mircea Geoană or Traian Băsescu becoming president - Dumelow (talk) 09:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We'll probably have to wait some time with this one because the result will be close, according to the exit pools. And we don't want to make a mistake. --Tone 22:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We always wait for the absolutely final results anyway (remember the Afghanistan election!), but at least it's looking a bit more of an unknown compared to Equatorial Guinea... - Dumelow (talk) 23:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The final results have given it to Traian Băsescu. It was very close with Băsescu getting 50.33% of the vote and Mircea Geoană 49.66%. The election article looks to have been updated enough - Dumelow (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Close indeed. Go ahead and post :-) --Tone 17:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no time to do it tonight. Maybe someone else will post it for me. If not I will try to find time to do it in the morning - Dumelow (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now done. I hope we get some non-politics items soon, we are a bit election heavy at the moment - Dumelow (talk) 11:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 5

December 5, 2009 (Saturday)

CNN issues an apology to The Irish Times after accusing the newspaper of publishing fake nude photographs of the world's number one golfer Tiger Woods. CNN also alleged The Irish Times had paid damages as a result. (The Irish Times)
Irish Independent Member of Parliament Noel Grealish withdraws his support for the country's government over the issue of pay cuts in the public sector. The move reduces the administration of Taoiseach Brian Cowen to a minority government. (Irish Independent)
More than one million tickets for the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa go on sale globally. (BBC)
Thousands of people attend the funeral of Chilean singer and national icon Víctor Jara in Santiago, reburied 36 years after his death via torture in the 1973 military coup carried out by Augusto Pinochet. (BBC)
Bhumibol Adulyadej, King of Thailand, returns to his hospital bed in Bangkok after making a brief public appearance to mark his 82nd birthday. (RTÉ) (The Jakarta Post) (BERNAMA) (Sky News)
Tens of thousands of people demonstrate in London and other European capitals ahead of a United Nations climate change summit in Copenhagen. (AFP) (BBC) (The Times)
Tens of thousands of people take to the streets of Rome in a national "No B Day" demonstration demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. (France 24)
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev declares a national day of mourning on December 7 following a nightclub fire which resulted in 109 deaths yesterday. (ITAR-TASS) (Xinhua)
Guinea's vice-president and defence minister Sekouba Konaté of the ruling National Council for Democracy and Development takes charge of the country after leader Moussa Dadis Camara was shot in an assassination attempt. (BBC)
The President of the Philippines Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo declares martial law in Maguindanao following the Maguindanao massacre. (Al Jazeera) (Philippine Inquirer)
Six doctors in the United Kingdom are taking legal action to demand a formal inquest into the death of government scientist David Christopher Kelly. (BBC)

ITN candidates for December 5

Víctor Jara

Any thoughts on the Víctor Jara funeral which has taken place in Chile? He was "one of the most prominent victims of the 1973 coup that brought Gen Augusto Pinochet to power [...] He was taken to the Chile Stadium in Santiago where he was tortured and killed. His broken body was found a few days later". Thousands attended the funeral, there was a three-day wake, and the BBC also describes him as a national icon. Chile's President Michelle Bachelet stands by the coffin and photograph of Chile's folk singer Victor Jara in Santiago, Friday, Dec. 4, 2009. --can dle •wicke 20:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards oppose. Interesting, but international notability is leaning somewhat lowly. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 20:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Meredith Kercher

This seems to be a reasonably high-profile case with some degree of international implications. Prosecutors have requested a life sentence for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, and a verdict is expected on Dec 5. [35] --BorgQueen (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knox and Sollecito are found guilty. [36] --BorgQueen (talk) 06:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the article is... somewhat messy. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is improved, I Support; the case received great coverage in Italy, the UK, and the USA over the past couple of years. HonouraryMix (talk) 10:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, if the article is brought up to scratch. I suggest the blurb 'Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are found guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher, in a widely publicised trial in Perugia' Modest Genius^talk 11:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been cleaned up a bit; posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Object I think it should be removed for lacking in significance. Apart from the media frenzy, it has little impact on anything, eg political murders (eg Pim Fortuyn), terrorist attacks, foreign policy changes, elections, natural disasters. It has no more impact than any other murder. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 12:21, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Yellowmonkey's Oppose. This seems more like tabloid fluff than substantial news (by 'substantial I'm meaning 'substantial enough for WP:ITN).--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose just another murder trial. Has no real significane other than to the families and friends directly involved. Jolly Ω Janner 14:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. Going to remove it. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Election results finally in

The results of the Namibian general election, 2009 and Equatorial Guinean presidential election, 2009 are now in. Both winners have pictures which would solve out image shortage at the moment. The Namibian election is currently tagged with {{update}} though - Dumelow (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting Equatorial Guinean presidential election, 2009 soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I (and User:Thomas.macmillan) have updated the article. Hopefully should be OK now - Dumelow (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Believing that no-one will object and that we are well overdue for an update I have added the Namibian election results - Dumelow (talk) 12:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 4

December 4, 2009 (Friday)

US Marines and Afghan troops launch Operation Cobra's Anger in northern Helmand province. (Bloomberg)
The U.S. Office of Thrift Supervision closes down the Cleveland based AmTrust Bank. (Dow Jones via NASDAQ
An explosion at a nightclub in Perm, Russia, kills at least one hundred and injures around a hundred people. (RIA Novosti) (BBC) (MSNBC)
A fire at a nightclub in the North Sumatra capital of Medan, Indonesia, kills at least 20 people. (AFP) (Jakarta Post) (BBC)
Namibian incumbent President Hifikepunye Pohamba is reelected along with the ruling SWAPO party after elections last week. (Al Jazeera) (AFP)
At least 50 people are missing after two ferries collide on the River Nile near Rashid (Rosetta) in Egypt. (BBC) (AFP) (Ynetnews)
Two Rwandan soldiers are killed while on a peacekeeping mission in Darfur. (Reuters) (BBC)
Security forces in the Philippines raid the compounds of clans suspected of being involved in the Maguindanao massacre. (AP) (Philippine Inquirer)
An Italian jury finds Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito guilty in the case of the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia. Knox is sentenced to 26 years in prison, Sollecito to 25. (CNN)
The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation announces that 25 member countries will contribute a further 7,000 troops to the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan in addition to 30,000 additional American and 500 British troops previously announced. (BBC)
2010 FIFA World Cup draw:
- The final draw for the 2010 FIFA World Cup takes place in Cape Town, South Africa. (AP via Yahoo sports) (The Korea Times)
- The venue, Cape Town International Convention Centre, is sealed off after two bomb scares. (The Times) (The Guardian)
Nepal's cabinet meets on Mount Everest to highlight the impact of climate change in the Himalayas. (CNN) (Hindustan Times)
Guinea's military leader Captain Moussa Dadis Camara is flown to Morocco for medical treatment after being shot by an aide in an assassination attempt. (BBC) (AP) (Xinhua)
At least 47 people drown after a ferry capsizes in Kishoreganj District, Bangladesh. (The Daily Star) (AFP) (BBC)
At least 30 people are killed in an attack at a mosque in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. (Dawn) (Al Jazeera) (Press Trust of India)
A further three people are sentenced to death for their involvement in the July riots in Ürümqi, Xinjiang, in northwestern China. (New York Times) (Xinhua)
Militants in southern Thailand kill a Muslim family of three while a bomb attack injures two in Pattani Province. (AFP) (Bernama) (RTÉ)

ITN candidates for December 4

Foreign relations of Rwanda (or perhaps France)

Rwanda and France restore diplomatic relations. I think there might be some time to fit this one in. Break-ups are usually featured - how about getting back together? --can dle •wicke 04:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How major was the France-Rwanda relationship before the split? Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 04:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rwanda is a former colony of France, so a split sounds pretty big in hindsight. --Plasma Twa 2 04:35, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to oppose because they were severed for only 3 years (irrespective of Rwanda appearing on ITN twice already). Arsonal (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More than 100 dead in Russia

More than 100 people have been killed in an explosion at a nightclub in Russia, reports say. [37], [38], [39]. Cargoking talk 22:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to be expanded first; it's currently only at about 1.5k. Google news sources. Lampman (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this happened in the US or Western Europe, it'd be on the in the news so fast it'd make our eyes spin. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's your point? Any article going on ITN, regardless of location, has to be of appropriate size and quality. If you think this should go on the main page then you should get to work expanding the article, rather than complaining here. Lampman (talk) 01:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty expires

START I, a treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms, expires. [40] The article needs some more citations and updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support They are going to replace with something new.--yousaf465' 06:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if a new treaty is going to happen soon, it would be better to feature that. However, we don't know how long that will take (or even if it ever will), so I'm kinda neutral right now. Thoughts? Modest Genius^talk 11:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, better to wait. --Tone 22:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UFO unit closed

The (British) Ministry of Defence has closed its UFO unit after more than 50 years of investigating reported UK sightings. (BBC) Cargoking talk 16:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom), perhaps? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support I didn't even know they had a UFO unit. Querky. --Plasma Twa 2 18:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --can dle •wicke 03:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support --yousaf465' 06:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as cruft; it's not as if anyone took the unit seriously, including those who worked in it Modest Genius ^talk 11:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. After all, have they found the little green men?

Philippine President declares state of Martial Law

Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has ordered a state of martial law in Maguindanao province, which could pave the way for the swift arrests of other suspects who have been linked to the November 23 massacre which killed 57 innocent civilians. ABS-CBN News --Exec8 (talk) 15:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One assumes civilians are innocent. --Golbez (talk) 23:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support The ML has been imposed only in a single province.--yousaf465' 06:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now, unless the situation escalates Modest Genius ^talk 11:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

40 killed by suicide attack on mosque

(The Times) At least 40 people have been killed and 70 wounded after a suicide gun and bomb attack on a mosque in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The mosque is near to the national army HQ and army officers are amongst the dead. I am sure we will see an article on this soon - Dumelow (talk) 14:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. BBC says most of the dead are "serving or retired military officials" and the roof also seems to have collapsed. --can dle •wicke 15:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 2009 Rawalpindi attack created, though needs expansion. --Redtigerxyz^Talk 15:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'll see if I can add anything useful to the article. HJMitchellYou rang? 16:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is long enough?

 A suicide attack kills at least 37 people and injures more than 80 others during Friday prayers at a mosque in Rawalpindi.

--can dle •wicke 17:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted.--Chaser (talk) 18:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nepalese cabinet meeting

Nepalese ministers have held the world's highest cabinet meeting Which article would be best to use? --can dle •wicke 13:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose too tabloid-esque. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 14:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Interesting, but not ITN-notable. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 20:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2010 FIFA World Cup#Draw

The final draw for the 2010 FIFA World Cup takes place in Cape Town, South Africa. Seems to be a no-brainer. Obviously needs to be posted after the event (Friday night or Saturday) and quote the necessary sources which will be abundantly available. The blurb can be expanded if particularly unusual groups are drawn e.g. a group of death or a group of life. Zunaid●for your great great grand-daughter 10:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are too many things that could be in a blurb so it would be too long. Besides, as with the Olympics, I think we should feature the opening ceremony and the winner (or maybe only the winner). --Tone 22:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly a very big event but I agree, oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 3

December 3, 2009 (Thursday)

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which insures deposits in United States commercial banks, is running a deficit of $US8.2 billion. (New York Times)
The Royal Netherlands Navy seizes 13 Somali pirates and frees two Tanzanians from a vessel that attacked a German ship off the southern cost of Oman. (Reuters South Africa) (AP) (IOL)
Nigerian farmers sue Shell at a court in The Hague over claims that the oil firm polluted their land in the Niger Delta region. (NEXT) (Forbes) (The Independent)
A further five people are sentenced to death over their involvement in the July riots in Ürümqi, Xinjiang, in northwestern China. (Global Times) (Al Jazeera) (BBC)
Indian activists mark the 25th anniversary of the industrial disaster that took place in Bhopal which led to 3,787 deaths. (IBN Live) (Times of India) (The Times)
Three Somali cabinet ministers are amongst dozens killed in a bomb blast at a university graduation ceremony at a hotel in Mogadishu. (Al Jazeera) (CCTV) (AFP)
Three Iranian pilgrims are killed after their bus exploded at a petrol station in the Syrian capital Damascus. (The Guardian) (BBC) (Alalam News Network)
Nathan Rees is replaced as leader of the New South Wales Australian Labor Party and Premier of New South Wales by Kristina Keneally. (Sydney Morning Herald)

ITN candidates for December 3

Ashmolean Museum

The Ashmolean Museum, the world's first university museum, officially reopens. [41] The article has yet to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mogadishu explosion

(BBC) Three government ministers are amongst 18 19 people killed by an explosion at a graduation ceremony of Benadir University in Mogadishu, Somalia. No sign of an article yet - Dumelow (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Started 2009 Shamo Hotel bombing; currently expanding. –BLACK FALCON^(TALK) 05:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am still expanding the article and it is in need of work (so please don't post the article just yet even if there is support for it), but at least now it covers the main details of the attack. For the news item, I can suggest:

A suicide bombing at a graduation ceremony in a hotel in Mogadishu, Somalia kills 22 people, including three cabinet ministers.

or

A suicide bombing at a graduation ceremony in a hotel in Mogadishu, Somalia kills 22 people, including three ministers of the Transitional Federal Government.

Xinhua reports a death toll of 57, but every other source still gives the figure of "19". –BLACK FALCON^(TALK) 06:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updated BBC News article gives a figure of 22 killed, including three ministers (and a fourth in critical condition). –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 09:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Some ministers were in victims list.--yousaf465' 06:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the second hook, but would change it to: "including three ministers of the Transitional Federal Government." to be more specific. Let us know when you have finished expanding the article - Dumelow (talk) 09:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea, I think. It's more useful/informative to direct readers to the article Somali Council of Ministers instead of the general article about government ministers.

I think I'm done for now. I have covered almost everything about the actual bombing and the aftermath/reactions that has been reported by news sources as of approximately one hour ago. The "Background" section is empty and could use some information about the War in Somalia (2009–), the current situation in Mogadishu (with the government controlling only a couple of blocks of the city), and/or Al-Shabaab's recent activities. The article War in Somalia (2009–) and this BBC article could be a useful resource. Or, we could just remove the background section until someone is willing to add some content (I intend to, but I won't be able to until tomorrow). The article may also be in need of some copyediting; normally, I always copyedit what I write, but I'm too tired right now and would probably miss some errors or issues. I'll revisit the article and Google News in about 12 hours to see if there is any more updated information that can be added to the article. Cheers, –BLACK FALCON^(TALK) 09:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted it. I don't think the expansion tag for the background section is too big a deal, if people complain we can always just remove the section entirely (as you suggested) as the article is more than sufficient without it. Good work on the updates, by the way - Dumelow (talk) 13:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 2

December 2, 2009 (Wednesday)

FIFA, the world governing body for association football, announce after an emergency session of their Executive Committee, that following the controversy over the Thierry Henry handball incident, it will set up an inquiry into the use of extra officials or technology, but any changes will not be implemented for the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa. Wikinews
Indonesia bans the Australian film Balibo, which follows the story of the Balibo Five, a group of journalists killed during the 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor. (Jakarta Post) (AFP) (BBC) (Reuters)
The body of German-Austrian billionaire Friedrich Karl Flick, stolen from the grave in 2008 and held for ransom, is returned to his family. (AP) (BBC)
More than 50 prominent Nigerian public figures call for President Umaru Yar'Adua to resign, saying his health is impairing his judgment. (NEXT) (BBC) (Xinhua)
An Islamist group in the North Caucasus claims the bomb attack on a Nevsky Express train in Russia was conducted on orders of "Emir of the Caucasus Emirate" Dokka Umarov. (Al Jazeera) (RIA Novosti) (Xinhua)
The trial of suspected Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk is postponed after he is taken ill. (Deutsche Welle) (AFP)
Wikipedia is ordered by a senior British judge to breach its confidentiality after a woman pleaded for help in identifying an alleged blackmailer. (Daily Telegraph)
Five British yachtsmen held by Iranian Revolutionary Guards are released. (BBC) (Press TV)
Cocktail waitress Jaimee Grubbs provides evidence to reporters that she had an affair with golf legend Tiger Woods. (The Sun) (Radaronline) (Huffington Post)

ITN candidates for December 2

FIFA announce inquiry following Thierry Henry handball controversy

FIFA, the governing body for association football around the world, announce an inquiry into the refereeing of matches at the highest level, as a result of the controversy surrounding the Thierry Henry handball incident. Wikinews (uses 10 external sources) MickMacNee (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This incident has now proven to have important ramifications for the worldwide sport of soccerball. After calling an extraordinary general meeting, FIFA have recognised that refereeing in football is out of date for the modern age, and have come up with "concrete proposals" for how to prevent incidents like this happening again, which include the setting up of an inquiry to come up with technological and human improvements to officiating at the highest level, changes to the Qualification and Play-Off stages of the FIFA World Cup, and they have also opened a relatively unheard of retrospective disciplinary investigation of Thierry Henry for his role in what FIFA President Sepp Blatter called "blatant unfair playing". MickMacNee (talk) 21:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support if/when there is some kind of outcome. Just announcement of an inquiry is not yet ITN material. But let's keep it in mind for later. --Tone 22:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When there is an actual change in the way they referee matches, then this should be considered for ITN. Not now. --Plasma Twa 2 01:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose if I'm correct, nothing new actually came out of the meeting. It's time to move on. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 14:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia bans the Australian film Balibo

Indonesia bans the Australian filmBalibo, which follows the story of the Balibo Five, a group of journalists killed during the 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor. (AFP)(BBC)(Reuters)(The Jakarta Globe)(The Australian) Although many films get banned around the world, I think this particular piece of censorship is politically significant with certain international implications, especially considering that the Australian Federal Police has launched an investigation into the deaths of the Balibo Five just three months ago. [42] Indonesian military supported the ban ("Military spokesman Air Vice Marshall Sagom Tamboen said ...(snip)... It would harm the good relationship between Indonesia and East Timor, as well as between Indonesia and Australia, he said." [43]), while Indonesia's national journalists association "plans to defy a government ban on the movie Balibo, kicking off a countrywide roadshow tour for the film with a free public screening in Jakarta today." [44] --BorgQueen (talk) 19:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral right now. Did the film win any awards that I'm missing? Grsz¹¹ 20:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I would oppose this one after all we are Wikipedia's ITN not rotten tomatoes homepage.--yousaf465' 03:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, when the articles are updated. GreenGourd (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Most countries do not have freedom of history, and the banning of certain films that do not fit the nationalist, xenophobic ideology are often censored, eg all the ones about Tibet getting banned in China and the actors banned from China, anything critical of VCP in Vietnam, and so forth. If the murderers get extradited or killed extrajudicially in retaliation, then it is notable. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 22:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm faily certain this is common in places like China, Burma, North Korea, etc. and those films aren't listed. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 14:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But is it common in the countries mentioned... that is the question. --can dle •wicke 03:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this happened under Suharto, I wouldn't put it in ITN as its ban would be expected due to the high amount of information suppression and propaganda during his presidency. However, it occurs in a period when the government is conducting a lot of reform (especially in the military), so I support. I was somewhat surprised that the ban took place. Arsonal (talk) 06:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rwanda first landmine-free country

(BBC) Rwanda is to be officially declared the first landmine-free country at the Cartagena Summit on a Mine-Free World. The demining has been supervised by the Mine Awareness Trust. In order to be declared landmine-free Rwanda had to meet the conditions of the Ottawa Treaty, perhaps that is the article to update? - Dumelow (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Go for it.--yousaf465' 04:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ITN is getting too Rwandan-centered. --Plasma Twa 2 05:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank God it's never US-centric! ;-) --Chaser (talk) 08:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have done a bit of an update at Ottawa Treaty, only two different refs because it doesn't seem to have been picked up by many news sites yet - Dumelow (talk) 12:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That should be good enough. A nice blurb please? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something like: "Rwanda becomes the first country to be declared landmine-free under the Ottawa Treaty" or similar? - Dumelow (talk) 12:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should we remove the Rwanda-Commonwealth post for weight? Grsz¹¹ 19:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do we do that when we have, say, two Germany-related items? (Or any European country, for that matter) No, we don't. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking because I did not know. No worries. Grsz¹¹ 20:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea bans cash transactions

The Times North Korea has apparently banned its citizens from using cash and will wipe out personal savings in excess of 100,000 won (£419). It is part of a revaluation programme that began on Monday and means that North Koreans will not receive new bank notes until next Monday, and hence not being able to buy any goods or services for a week. No idea which article is relevant - Dumelow (talk) 13:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean won? Someone has already updated it a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that looks like the place. I will try to get an update done later this afternoon, in the meantime is there any support for this? - Dumelow (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been updated, I added a little bit more. Adding my support to this. Midway (talk) 17:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Midway, I have also added a little. Can you think of a good blurb? - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest: In the process to revalue the North Korean wŏn, current banknotes cease to be legal tender, and businesses shut down until new notes are released on 7 December. Arsonal (talk) 23:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can we sort which one is the main article before posting? History_of_the_Korean_currencies#Won_.281947-.29 and North_Korean_won#History both point back at each other with {{main}}, though in slightly different ways.--Chaser (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more inclined to use the currency articles as the main ones. The same dual usage of {{main}} seems to occur for some of the other currencies as well. Arsonal (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. That satisfies my concern.--Chaser (talk) 23:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 1

December 1, 2009 (Tuesday)

Porfirio Lobo Sosa is elected President of Honduras. Turnout increases dramatically despite ousted former President Manuel Zelaya's plea for a boycott. (Huffington Post)
In a major policy speech, South African President Jacob Zuma announces the country will treat all HIV positive babies and expand testing. (IOL) (AP) (Al Jazeera)
U.S. President Barack Obama announces that he will send 30,000 extra American troops to Afghanistan within the next six months and start withdrawal in 19 months. (The New York Times)
U.S. golfer Tiger Woods announces that he will not be attending his own charity golf tournament, the Chevron World Challenge, or any other tournaments in 2009. (AP via Google News)
Maurice Clemmons, suspect in the 2009 shooting of Lakewood, Washington, police officers, is shot dead by police in Seattle. (BBC)
The UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office says efforts are continuing to secure the release of sailors captured by the Iranian Navy on November 25, while Iran warns it will deal with them seriously if it exposes "malicious intent". (BBC) (Press TV) (Al Jazeera)
The International Court of Justice begins hearings into the legality of the Kosovan declaration of independence from Serbia. (AFP) (BBC)
North Korea raises the value of its currency for the first time in 17 years. (Chosun Ilbo) (Yonhap) (Financial Times)
Tony Abbott becomes the leader of the Federal Liberal Party of Australia and Leader of the Opposition defeating Malcolm Turnbull by 42 votes to 41 following a party revolt over its position on the Rudd government's Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. (ABC News Australia) (BBC)
The Treaty of Lisbon enters into force:
- The European Union now has legal personality and has acquired the competences previously conferred on the European Community. Community law therefore becomes European Union law. (ECJ)
- The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union enters into force. (AFP via Google News)
- The European Court of Justice acquires general jurisdiction to give preliminary rulings in the area of freedom, security and justice. (ECJ)
- The first permanent President of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, officially takes office. (AFP via Google News)
- The first EU High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy, Catherine Ashton, officially takes office. (AFP via Google News)

ITN candidates for December 1

Treaty of Lisbon

The Treaty of Lisbon and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union enter into force. Hektor (talk) 07:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't we already have the ratification featured? Modest Genius^talk 11:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, actually, on 3 November 2009. Perhaps we shouldn't feature the same article again so soon. I would like to hear what others think. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We had it before, now it's just a formal thing. I think it is not necesary to feature it again. --Tone 11:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but many other important implications to the EU, such as its new legal personality, comes with the new treaty. --Hapsala (talk) 12:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, as mentioned above it was on here only a few weeks ago. ~ DC (Talk Edits) 17:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, we had the ratification, I don't think we need to implementation as well - Dumelow (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ballon D'Or

Argentinian footballer Lionel Messi wins the Ballon d'Or 2009 by a record margin. [sauce]. Articles need updating, but I think this is worth considering. Skomorokh 11:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did we have this last year? If it goes up, it should be without mentioning any records. --Tone 11:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs an update and expansion. Otherwise I support. It's probably the most significant individual football award.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, sporting event not listed on WP:ITNR (for good reason). Modest Genius^talk 00:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also oppose. I'd just like to note that lack of inclusion on WP:ITNR shouldn't be dispositive. (I don't think Modest Genius is suggesting otherwise.) ITNR "is not intended to preempt other ITN criteria regarding inclusion, such as inclusion of unusual and particularly important events." IMO, this just isn't an example of that. GreenGourd (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]