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게리 라이언의 죽음

- Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (대화) 07:06, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

(약간) 반대, 랜덤 토크쇼 진행자? 나. f o x 09:33, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
무작위 토크쇼 진행자 이상.그는 아일랜드 라디오에 혁명을 일으킨 인물이라고 한다.그는 '기관'으로 여겨졌다.그의 프로그램은 많은 금기를 깨고 많은 사람들에게 존경을 받았다.BBC의 크리스 에반스는 타오이세치(총리와 아일랜드 대통령)와 함께 슬픔을 표현했다.(누군가 신경 쓴다면 상당한 업데이트가 있다)카고킹토크 11:39, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]
실질적인 업데이트가 있고 야당의 주장은 이 경우 당연히 납득할 수 없는 것이다.그의 죽음은 분명히 나라 전체를 "정체상태"로 만들었다.또 첫날 하루에만 수백 명이 서명한 조문록에는 현직 국가원수와 전직 국가원수 등 정치권의 반응도 담겨 있다.예를 들어, 밴쿠버 태양, 가디언, 호주의 헤럴드 선, 몰타타임즈, 데일리 텔레그래프에서 국제적인 보도를 한다.이것은 국가/지역에 중대한 공헌/영향력을 가지고 있고, 전문 분야에서 매우 중요한 인물이었고, (자국 밖의 방송사에 의해서도) 그렇게 인식된 사람의 죽음이라고 나는 믿는다.이 사람은 수십 년 동안 라디오에서 매우 성공적인 경력을 쌓고 있었고, 몇 세대에 호소했으며, 사망 24시간 전에 마지막 쇼를 선보였고, 곧 은퇴할 것으로 예상되지 않았다.적어도 그들은 그 반응이 지나갈 만한 것이라면 "임의의 토크쇼 진행자"가 아니다.그러나 나는 이것이 어디에도 이어질 것이라고 기대하지 않는다. --candlewicke 19:41, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
좋아, 내가 약하게 만들었어.나는 여전히 그가 포함을 보증할 만큼 큰 손실이라고 생각하지 않는다. f o x 22:05, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
반대해 미안, 난 단지 그 의미를 모르겠어머디드 지니어스 00:44, 2010년 5월 2일 (UTC)[응답]

벨기에 부르카 금지령

벨기에부르카(워싱턴 포스트)-위키레더41(대화) 01:26, 2010년 5월 1일(UTC)[응답하라]를 금지한 유럽 1번째 국가가 된다.

지원. --candlewicke 02:27, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
시기상조라고 반대하다.그 법안은 상원이 통과하기 전에는 법률이 되지 않을 것이다(가능성이 높은 것으로 보여지지만, 당신은 결코 알 수 없다).실제로 법률이 될 때 지원하겠다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 02:36, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
위와 같이 반대한다. --yousaf465 09:16, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

골드만삭스

어제 "교황"이 일어났기 때문에 나는 이것을 지명하는 것을 주저한다. 하지만, 지금은 실제적인 발전이 있어, 나는 그것을 밖으로 던져야겠다고 생각했다.

원래 논의에서 반대파의 상당 부분은 민사 사건에만 기초하고 있었다.더 이상 그렇지 않다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 20:14, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

잘 모르겠어.나는 형사 소송이 있다는 생각에 훨씬 덜 반대하지만, 어떤 소송의 결과가 나오기를 기다릴 것이다.그렇긴 하지만, 나는 그 규칙을 별로 좋아하지 않아. 그리고 이것은 결론을 내리는데 몇 년이 걸릴 수도 있고, 지금 뉴스거리가 될 수도 있어.모든 것을 고려해 볼 때, 순간적으로 중립을 지켜야 한다.HJ Mitchell Penny, 네 생각은 어때? 20:28, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]
유죄판결이 날 때까지 반대하라.2010년 4월 30일 Modest Genius 20:32[응답]
반대 DoJ는 무엇이든 조사할 수 있다; 나는 이 사건에서 기소를 지지할 것 같지만, 단지 조사의 개시만이 아니다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화)20:36, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
유죄 판결의 유무에 관계없이 이를 뒷받침하는 것은 엄청난 이야기다.--위키레더41 (토크) 21:10, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
사실 나도 브래드에 동의하고 싶어- 수사는 별 의미가 없지만, 소송 결과만 올린다는 이유로 전당대회에도 불구하고 기소장을 올리는 데 밀릴 수도 있어.HJ MitchellPenny, 네 생각은 어때? 22:37, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 대부분의 ITN 사람들이 이것이 작동하는 방식을 이해하지 못한다고 생각한다.가장 큰 영향은 이야기가 처음 깨졌을 때 나타나는데, 이 사건은 지난주 SEC 소송과 함께 일어난 사건이었다.오늘 법무부에서 나온 뉴스는 중요한 것은 아니지만 중요한 것은 아니다. 나는 미국 검찰이 항상 이와 같은 중요한 사건들을 검토하여 그들의 관할에 해당되는지 확인한다고 말했다고 믿는다. (만약 그것이 우리가 골드만 사건을 최종적으로 제기할 근거를 준다면 훨씬 더 좋을 것이다.)아마 유죄판결은 없을 겁니다.골드만은 아마도 SEC와 합의하여 벌금을 지불하고 아마도 잘못을 인정하지 않을 것이다.이는 지난주 SEC 제소 발표 때보다 시장과 정부에 미치는 영향이 훨씬 적을 것이다.수십억 달러의 시장가치를 증발시키고 의회를 흥분시킨 것은 혐의였다.그렇기 때문에 전 세계 언론에서 거의 모든 것이 그것을 그렇게 엄청난 이야기로 만들었고, 골드만 경영진들이 일전에 생방송 TV로 의회에 증언하고 있었던 것이다.합의안이 나오면 그것은 "오래된 뉴스"가 될 것이고 아마도 거의 같은 영향을 미치지 않을 것이다.쉬는 시간에 ITN에 이런 것들을 올려야 한다(연계할 수 있는 양질의 위키백과 콘텐츠가 있다고 가정하면), 사람들이 위키백과에서 주제에 대한 정보를 찾을 것이기 때문이다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:43, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
세계 언론이요?[citation needed]HJ Mitchell Penny, 네 생각은 어때? 2010년 4월 30일 23시 49분 (UTC)[응답하라]
난 HJM과 브래드와 함께 이 일을 하고 있어.나는 우리의 법정 사건 규정이 좀 너무 엄격하고, 정식 기소 통지서를 게시하는 것을 지지할 수 있다고 생각하지만, 단순한 '경찰' 출동만으로는 충분하지 않다.골드만삭스는 살아 있는 사람이 아니기 때문에 BLP를 엄격하게 적용하지는 않지만 범죄진행에서의 무죄추정이 괜히 있는 것은 아니다!Physchim62 (talk) 00:07, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
여기서 지적하고자 하는 것은 골드만삭스가 유죄인지 무죄인지 아닌지에 대한 것이다.그것이 WP를 만나기 때문에 내가 그것이 속한다고 생각하는 이유:ITN&는 세계 언론이 보도하는 매우 의미 있는 '뉴스'로, 독자들에게 '전 세계'의 관심사가 될 가능성이 높다.나는 실제로 이것이 얼마나 널리 보도되었는지 알아보려고 노력했고, 여기 내가 생각해낸 것이 있다.

북아메리카

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]

남아메리카[7]

유럽

[8], [9], [10], [11], [12]

호주.

[13], [14]

아시아

[15], [16], [17], [18]

아프리카

[19]

반대 우리는 평결이 내려지지 않는 한 절대로 형사 사건을 강조하지 않는다.HonoraryMix (대화) 07:41, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
명예로운 믹스 당 반대 그리고 그것이 막 열렸다는 사실.모든 오픈 케이스를 올려놓는 전례를 만들 수는 없다. f o x 09:35, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
Daviessimo (토크) 16:19, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답], 단지 ITN에 대한 평결만 나열하고 고발은 하지 않는다고 진술한 많은 사용자들에 대해 반대한다.
지지하라. 나는 '우리만 평결을 게시한다'는 것이 어디서 오는 것인지 전혀 모르겠다. 내가 보기엔, 우리는 그것이 뉴스에 나올 때 그것을 게시한다. 그것은 지금 현재인 것 같다.랜덤89 18:04, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

2010년 중국 상하이 엑스포

2010년 중국 상하이 엑스포.모든 주요 통신사가 이 엑스포 행사를 보여줄 것이다.이 그림은 en의 메인 페이지에 잘 어울린다.wikipedia.org . --대화.zh (talk) 06:54, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아래 아이템은 충분한 지원을 받고 있다.--yousaf465 07:01, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 이 페이지에서 너의 사진을 삭제했다.저작권이 있고, 기사(그리고 제한된 상황의 경우)에서만 공정한 사용이 허용된다 - 두멜로 (토크) 08:20, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

스피놀로리쿠스 신지아

과학자들은 생명체 중 어느 시점에서도 산소를 필요로 하지 않는 최초의 동물 종인 스피놀로리쿠스 신지를 발견한다.소스토끼 양념 (토크) 01:18, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

지지하다.흥미로운 발견은, 비록 그 기사가 약간의 작업을 필요로 할 수도 있지만-- 다른 한두 단락이 좋을 것이다.HJ Mitchell Penny, 당신의 생각은? 01:20, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]
반대 - 불행히도 이 발견은 4월 9일에 발표되었기 때문에 현 시점에서 올리기에는 너무 오래된 것이다. --ThaddeusB (토크) 02:38, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 기사에 약간의 정보를 더 추가했다.나는 오늘 이 주제에 대해 알게 되었고, 나는 내 지명이 늦는다고 해서 그것이 포함되는 것을 막지 않기를 바란다.토끼 양념 (토크) 02:59, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
ITN 항목은 역순으로 올라간다.안타깝게도 이 아이템은 현재 템플릿에 있는 가장 오래된 아이템보다 더 오래된 아이템이라 올라갈 수 없어.나는 당신이 그것을 WP에 가져가기를 권하고 싶다.DYK는.머더드 천재 20:50, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 1,249자의 산문을 더 추가할 수 있다면 DYK 후크로서 잘 작동하겠지만, 현시점에서는 ITN에 비해 너무 케케묵은 편이다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 08:42, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]


4월 29일

4월 29일 ITN 후보자들

프로벤지

노명: 기사는 약간의 작업이 필요하겠지만(다른 사람이 먼저 하지 않으면 내일 하겠다) 이것은 매우 중요한 약물 승인인 것 같다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 02:49, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
FDA가 승인한 최초의 암 백신을 지원한다.--Wikireader41 (대화) 02:56, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.아마도 DCA만큼 중요한 것이 아니라 암 연구 승인을 위한 중요한 진전일 것이다.~AH1(TCU) 23:54, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
논평: 기사가 업데이트되었고 준비되었다.월스트리트저널(WSJ)은 "프로벤지의 승인은 암과의 싸움에서 극적인 발전으로 유사한 치료법이 다수 등장할 수 있다"고 전했다.[20] --ThaddeusB (토크) 02:25, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
더 이상 언급이 없으십니까? -- 타리카브조투 11:44, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
위와 같은 지원, 이것은 큰 진전이다. -- 지우개헤드1 <토크> 12:09, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
반대, 9만 3천 달러가 들고 누군가의 수명을 4개월 연장하는 치료?이것을 백신이라고 부르는 것은 임상적인 의미에서가 아니라 질병을 예방하는 치료법에 대한 전통적인 일반인의 이해에서 조금 이상한 일이다.그것은 "첫 번째 암 백신"이 아니라 단지 그 타입의 첫 번째 것이고, 일반적으로 나는 이것과 같은 상업적인 이야기를 메인 페이지에 올리는 것에 반대한다- 그것은 회사에 더 많은 무료 홍보를 제공하는 역할을 한다.브래드 제임즈브라운 (토크) 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC) 12:14, 답신
반대 10만 달러의 비용이 들고 4개월만 사람들의 삶을 연장한다면 그것은 그리 인상적이지도 않고 매우 부유한 사람들 외에는 돈에 대한 가치도 없다. -- 지우개헤드1 <토크> 12:52, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 그 비용이 그다지 타당하다고 생각하지 않는다.우선 첫째는 대개 매우 비싸고, 기존 암 치료는 월 1만 명이 넘는 비용이 많이 들기 때문에 비용이 기존 치료법과 과도하게 어긋나지 않는다. --ThaddeusB (토크) 13:44, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
이것은 정말로 상업적으로 이용 가능한 최초의 암 백신이다.당신의 신체에 암을 예방하는 것이 가능할지도 모른다는 이론적 개념은 100년 동안 존재해왔다.이것이 작동하는 것으로 보여지는 것은 이번이 처음이다.바라건대 그것은 새로운 종류의 암 치료법으로 이어질 것이다.생존 통계를 원근법으로 보면, 수명을 평균 4개월 연장하는 치료법은 거의 없는 것으로 나타났다.미국 독자가 아닌 사람들에게 놀라운 비용은 미국에서의 과정과 동등하다. 우리는 라이트 플라이어가 첫 비행에서 125피트를 날았다고 해서 1903년에 라이트 플라이어에 관한 ITN 항목을 거부했겠는가?--Wikireader41, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
대부분의 비기술적 독자를 제외하고는 가르다실이 1등이었다.(그래, 나도 알고 있어, 사실은 그렇지 않아, 암이 아닌 HPV 백신이야.그러나 일반 평신도에게는...) --브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 13:30, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]
가르다실은 바이러스 감염(HPV)을 예방하기 위한 백신으로, 경우에 따라 암으로 이어질 수 있다.B형 간염 백신간세포암을 유발할 수 있는 바이러스에 대한 최초의 백신이었다.BTW 가르다실은 아직 생존 기간이 1분도 연장되지 않았다.--Wikireader41 (대화) 16:12, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]

중국 찌르개

  • 중국의 한 보육원에서 28명의 어린이와 3명의 어른들이 칼에 찔렸다.(BBC) HJ 미첼 페니?(UTC) 2010년 4월 29일 19시 34분 (UTC)[응답하라]
다행히도 이 공격으로 아무도 죽지 않았다.또한, 이러한 것들은 중국에서 매주 일어나는 것 같다. ~DCTalk To Me 19:42, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.사망자가 없음에도 불구하고 충분히 심각한 것 같다. --candlewicke 20:47, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 어떤 죽음이 있었더라도, 그 사건은 신기함을 넘어서는 것이 아니다.픽스맨Praise me 23:52, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
일주일간의 공간에서 비슷한 성격의 공격이 세 번 발생했다는 점에 근거하여 반대한다(오늘 아침 [21] 또 한 번 발생) --Daviessimo (토크) 09:14, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 이 중 하나는 지난 달 8명의 사망자였을 것이다; 이것들은 너무 흔하고 현 시점에서 너무 개별적으로 중요하지 않다.이 시점에서 통할 수 있는 유일한 것은 2010년 중화인민공화국의 학교 찌르기와 같은 것일 것이다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 09:27, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

2010년 세계 엑스포 개막

가장 강력한 지원 - 역사상 가장 큰 규모의 박람회일 수 있다.개회식은 몇 시간 후에 열릴 것이다.많은 국가 원수들이 그곳에 있을 것이다.고급패싱에 의해 추가된 서명되지 않은 설명 준비(대화기여)
지원 - 실제로 내일까지 열리지 않는다고 생각하지만. --ThaddeusB (대화) 19:07, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지원은 오늘날 PRC에서 4월 30일에 일어난다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 19:15 (UTC)[응답]
네, 하지만 자정에는 열리지 않습니다 :-p --ThaddeusB (토크) 20:17, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
를 뒷받침하는 것은 큰 일로 보인다. -- 지우개헤드1 <토크> 19:49, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
든든한 지지.이것은 ITN/R에 있어야 한다. 로스트 치킨 한 마리당 1160위안! ~AH1(TCU) 23:55, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
정기적인 게시물이어야 한다는 데 동의했네관심 있는 사람들을 위해 상하이에서 열리는 이 유니버설 엑스포와 같은 큰 엑스포는 5년마다 열린다.그 5년 사이에 소규모 전문 엑스포가 열린다. 하이퍼페이싱에 의해
지원은 더 말할 수 없다.--yafs465 02:13, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
참고: 중국에서는 금요일 밤(지금부터 몇 시간 후)까지 공식적으로 행사가 열리지 않는다.이와 같이, 「Expo 2010 오픈」 포스팅이 실제로 오픈할 때까지 보류하자. --ThaddeusB (토크) 02:35, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
지원 - ITN의 가치가 있는 중요한 이벤트. Taddeus의 의견에 동의하지만, 공식적으로 오픈될 때까지 기다려야 게시 --Daviessimo (토크) 09:10, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
Expo Axis nighttime.jpg
지지하다.개회식이 시작되었다.엑스포 축 본관 사진을 1면 사진으로 제안해도 될까?방화(토크) 2010년 4월 30일 14시 13분 (UTC)[응답]
그래, 이건 1면에 좋네. - 대화.zh (talk) 16:45, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답하라]
China Pavilion 30Apr10.jpg
--가구(대화) 16:47, 2010년 5월 1일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 게시. 세나리움 (대화) 2010년 4월 30일 15:30 (UTC)[응답]
    • 나는 그 물건을 치웠다.2010 엑스포 기사는 전혀 업데이트되지 않았다. "개막식" 섹션에서도 여전히 미래에 행사가 열릴 것 같다. -- 타리캅조투 15:41, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
      • 기사를 업데이트하고 타리카브조투가 다시 아이템을 추가했다는 점에 주목했다.세나륨 (대화) 2010년 4월 30일 18:24 (UTC)[응답]

멕시코만의 기름띠

우리가 원래의 사건을 특집으로 다루었다는 것은 알지만, 이것은 매우 특이한 사건인 것 같다. 그것은 1차 걸프전 이후 발생한 화재와 비교되고 있고 미국뿐만 아니라 많은 언론의 관심을 끌고 있다.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은? 2010년 4월 29일 14시 15분 (UTC)[응답하라]
지지하다.특히 미군이 도움을 요청받은 것 같기 때문에.--위키레더41 (대화) 14:44, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
참고: Deepwater Horizon 드릴링 장치 폭발 사고 #오일 누출 사고 소식이야.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은? 2010년 4월 29일 15시 19분 (UTC)[응답하라]
진달 주지사가 루이지애나 주의 비상사태를 선포하고 금요일 저녁에 육지에 유출될 수도 있다는 사실을 우연히 알게 되었다.Bradjamesbrown 지원 (대화) 17:33, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.나는 미국 해안경비대가 그것을 지금까지 그들이 수행한 것 중 가장 큰 석유 봉쇄 노력이라고 묘사하는 것을 보았다. (아직, 갤런 수로 가장 큰 유출은 아니지만, 엄청난 양의 바다를 덮고 있다.)드래곤즈 비행 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 17시 50분 (UTC)[응답]
논평은 이것이 POTUS Obama Administration이 걸프 기름 유출에 대한 대응을 에스컬레이션하는 것처럼 보인다--Wikireader41 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지지, 중대한 유출 그리고 그 기사는 좋아 보인다.2010년 4월 29일, Modest Genius 19:17 (UTC)[응답]
지원, 어쩌면 피드에 미군 개입, 그리고 유출이 여전히 통제되지 않고 있다는 사실을 포함할지도 모른다.이런 일에는 얼마나 오래 걸리는지 모르겠어, 이건 그냥 생각일 뿐이야.그것은 어떤 형태로든 올라가야 한다.알록스 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 19:27 (UTC)[응답]
이제 ITN 기준으로 업데이트하면 충분하지만, 계속 작업할 겁니다.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은?20:13, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]
지지하다.특수 기동대가 투입되었다.이 유출은 이전에 생각했던 것보다 다섯 배나 더 크고 완전히 제거되려면 몇 달이 걸릴 수 있다.몇 달 만에 허리케인이 발생하면 기름으로 주변 지역에 심각한 피해를 줄 수 있다.~AH1(TCU) 23:57, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.이게 벌써 안 일어났다는 게 놀랍다.그 blob은 이제 Rhode Island보다 크다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:14, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답하라]
  • 게시물 ITN에서는 유출 규모를 포함시키는 것이 다소 다루기 어려워 보이지만, 이야기에 매우 중요하다고 생각한다. 따라서, 나는 그것을 넣었다. -- tarikabjotu 00:21, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
사실 그 사이즈가 맞지 않는 것 같아.텔레그래프는 "그 매끈이는 105마일, 45마일, 즉 4700평방마일의 지역을 커버할 것으로 추정된다"고 말한다.만약 그 미끈거리는 직사각형이라면 그것은 사실이지만, 그것은 그렇지 않다.월스트리트저널(WSJ)과 CNN은 600평방마일(실제로 로드아일랜드만큼 크지는 않다)이라고 말하고 있다.-- 음왈코프 (대화) 00:38, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
링크? 무슨 날짜에?왜냐하면 그것은 중요한 차이점이기 때문이다.105mi를 45mi 면적으로 차지하지 않더라도 600mq마일은 사실상 아무것도 아니다.많은 소식통들도 4700평방 미에 훨씬 가까운 「자메이카의 거의 크기」를 언급하고 있다. -- 타리갑조투 00:55, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
CNN : "보비 진달 루이시아나 주지사는 목요일 기름띠의 도착을 앞두고 비상사태를 선포하고, 최대 600평방마일의 물을 덮었다고 경고했다."
월스트리트저널(오후 7시 51분)오늘밤 동부: "약 600평방 마일에 걸쳐 있다."
사진을 보면(WSJ 기사에서처럼) 105마일의 가장 큰 남북 및 동서 거리에서 그릴 수 있는 "직각" 45마일의 작은 부분만을 능란하게 차지한다는 것을 알 수 있다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:37, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

그 부분은 해안에 도달하는 기름을 언급하기 위해 다시 쓰여져야 한다. 통제된 연소는 그리 중요하지 않다.제안: "멕시코만의 Deepwater Horizon 시추 장비의 폭발로 인한 기름 유출은 루이지애나 해안에 도달한다."세나륨 (대화) 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC) 15:20, 응답

네가 계속 하고 싶다면 여기선 반대할 필요 없어. 이제 좀 구식인 것 같아.HJ 미첼 페니 생각은? 2010년 4월 30일 15시 33분 (UTC)[응답하라]

4월 28일

4월 28일 ITN 후보자들

2000년 올림픽 메달 박탈 중국

중국은 시드니에서 열린 여자 단체 체조에서 미성년자를 이용한 혐의로 동메달을 박탈당했다.그 동안 있었던 논란, 2008년에 정말 큰 논란이었습니다.미국은 이제 메달을 탈 것이다.NYT. Grsz11 12:20, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

반대 10년이라는 시간이 걸린 것이 그 이야기지 그 일이 일어났다는 것이 아니다.인민공화국은 속이고 들켰고, 방금 2008년 올림픽을 치렀기 때문에 그것에 대한 비난을 받고 있다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 14:18 (UTC)[응답]

인간 최초의 생체 인공 기관지

이것이 중요한가? --candlewicke 21:03, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

러시아, 카틴 문서 공개

폴란드와 러시아 관리들에 의한 카틴 대학살의 공동 기념비를 게시하기 위해 강력한 지지를 보냈지만, 폴란드 대통령의 비행기 추락으로 인해 아마도 그것은 실패했을 것이다.폴란드-러시아 관계의 핵심 쟁점이었던 카틴 대학살에 좋은 후크로서 이 사건을 제출한다.--존셀락 (대화) 18:05, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
그들이 1992년에 기밀 해제되어 국가 기록 보관소에 보관되었다는 것을 주목해야 한다.그들은 단지 그것들을 디지털화하여 웹에 올렸을 뿐이다 - Dumelow (대화) 19:37, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]
맞아, 맞아.그 움직임은 일차적으로 상징적이지만 중요한 제스처다.--존셀락 (대화) 19:40, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.카틴 대학살은 아마도 최근의 사건들로 인해 대부분의 사람들에게 더 친숙해졌을 것이다. --candlewicke 20:11, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.내가 기억하는 바로는, 비행기 추락으로 인해 가려지지 않았다면, 그것은 아마 올라갔을 것이다. 그것은, 아주 당연하게, 부딪혔다.HJ Mitchell Penny, 네 생각은 어때?
반대 - 이 사소한 문서 발표를 공표할 수 있는 유일한 명분은 이전의 (의미있는) 제스처가 무색해진 것 같다.IMO, 그 정도면 글을 올릴 만한 충분한 이유가 되지 않아. --ThaddeusB (토크) 20:46, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
TaddeusB당 반대. --PlasmaTwa2 21:46, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.비행기 추락이 없었다면 이 문서들의 공개는 여전히 시그니피안트였을 것이다.~AH1(TCU) 22:50, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
타드데우스B에 대항하라.그것들을 인터넷에 올리는 것은 뉴스가 아니다.1992년 탈분류된 것은 뉴스였다.--체이서(토크) 16:56, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

케이프 윈드 승인

난 이걸 토론하기 위해 밖에 던질 거야.전국적으로 대서특필되고 있다그러나 그 기사는 아마도 더 나은 업데이트가 필요할 것이다.~DCTalk To Me 16:50, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
중립, 지지 쪽으로 기울어짐.그것은 흥미로운 물건이지만, 나는 그것에 완전히 팔리지 않는다.별로 획기적인 일은 아닌 것 같아. --PlasmaTwa2 17:01, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]
반대, 지나치게 국부적인 것 같고, 세계적으로 볼 때 특별히 중요한 시설은 아닌 것 같다(현재 운영 중인 어떤 풍력 발전소보다 크지만, 케이프 윈드가 문을 열 때쯤이면 더 커질 몇몇은 이미 건설 중에 있다).게다가 정치적 승인보다 개방/성장이 더 나을 것이다.2010년 4월 28일(UTC) 17시 30분 모데드 지니어스talk[응답]
실제로 열리면 어떨까?허가보다는 첫 해상풍력 발전소가 문을 열었다고 하는 편이 훨씬 나을 것이다. -- Ashish-g55 17:40, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
퍼 아시쉬를 반대하십시오.승인과 실제 개통 사이에는 많은 일이 일어날 수 있다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 20:05, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 "고 에드워드 케네디 상원의원"에 동의한다.BBC는 이것에 대해 쓸 7개의 문장만 찾을 수 있다?"이 프로젝트는 이 지역의 지속 가능한 발전 전통과 부합한다" "데벌 패트릭 주지사가 농장이 지역 노력의 핵심이라고 주장해왔다"는 것이 바로 그 것임을 시사한다. --candlewicke 20:08, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 - "국가" 먼저, 그래, 하지만 덴마크나 그런 것들은 이미 수백 개가 있어.장타로는 국제적으로 중요하지 않다. f o x 20:19, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
반대해 여우당 어느 정도만약 그것이 가장 크거나 다른 특별한 공신력이 있다면, 나는 전적으로 지지할 것이다. 그러나 한 근해 풍력 발전소는 약간 감동적이지 않다.HJ 미첼 페니 생각은?20:50, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원 - 양질의 위키백과 콘텐츠의 예?literally. 말 그대로 뉴스에서?readers. 많은 독자들에게 흥미가 있는가?√. 백과사전?√. 내게는 모든 기준에 부합하는 것 같다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 00:37, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]

문제가 되는 것은 '많은 독자들의 관심'이다.이 풍력 발전소는 특별한 것이 없어서 많은 사람들의 흥미를 끌지는 못할 것이다.게다가, ITN 기준은 당신이 암시하는 것처럼 단순하지 않다.2010년 4월 29일 01:09, Modest Geniustalk (UTC)[응답]
영어 위키피디아를 많이 사용하는 세계의 일부 지역에서 꽤 인구밀도가 높은 지역이라 많은 독자들이 관심을 가질 수 있을 것 같다.그리고 기사가 많은 사람들에게 흥미롭다고 생각하지 않았다면 지금처럼 많은 뉴스의 소재가 되지 않았을 것 같은 생각이 든다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:30, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 비록 이것이 혈류 기름과 흑탄에 너무 의존하는 국가의 위대한 계획이지만, 나는 우리가 ITN에 이것이 필요하다고 생각하지 않는다.그럼에도 불구하고, 나는 풍력과 태양열을 매우 좋아하지만, 다시 한번 개인적인 취향은 남겨둘 수 있을 것 같다.--yousaf465 02:10, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
여우 한 마리 당 반대한다.미국이 다른 나라들이 이미 건설한 것을 건설할 것이라는 것은 그다지 중요하지 않다.브래드 제임즈브라운 (대화) 06:47, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]

4월 27일

4월 27일 ITN 후보자들

KHL 챔피언

아이스하키에서는 Ak Bars KazanHC MVD를 꺾고 2009-10 KHL Gagarin Cup에서 우승했다.

Nom. 이것은 NHL에 이어 두 번째로 중요한 아이스하키 리그다.4개국 팀과 10여개국 선수들이 참가하는 국제리그다.--존셀락(토크) 15:16, 2010년 4월 28일(UTC)[응답]
그 문장에서는 한마디도 이해가 안 가는 것 같아. -- 타리카브조투 15:18, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]
러시아(그리고 다른 이전 이스턴 블록 국가들)는 스포츠 클럽의 재미있는 이름을 가지고 있다.AK Bars는 러시아의 도시인 카잔 출신의 아이스하키 팀이다.HC MVD는 내무부의 하키 클럽을 의미한다. (본질적으로 클럽은 재정적으로 경찰의 지원을 받는 것이지 러시아에서 흔치 않은 관행은 아니다.)KHL은 콘티넨탈 하키 리그를 의미한다.물론 이 모든 것은 링크된 기사에 설명될 것이다.--존셀락 (토크) 15:43, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
그렇게 중요한 것은 아니다.~DCTalk To Me 15:29, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
Johnselak당 지원 - Ashish-g55 15:34, 2010년 4월 28일(UTC)[응답]
여기서 어느 정도 맥락을 더하기 위해 KHL은 러시아 슈퍼리그가 주변 3개국(리가, 라트비아, 민스크, 벨로루시, 카자흐스탄 아스타나에 팀을 두고 있다)과 러시아 21개 팀으로 확대되면서 만들어졌다.확실히 NHL보다 낮은 수준의 리그지만 NHL 선수들도 많이 있다.나는 이 아이템을 일본프로야구, 일본프로야구와 비교하고 싶다.지난해 MLB 챔피언과 함께 단 한 번의 블럽으로 우승자를 올렸다.--Johnselmak (토크) 16:23, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
Johnselak당 지원. --PlasmaTwa2 16:27, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
국제대회로서 약한 지지를 받고 있지만 CIS 밖에서는 관심의 실마리를 찾지 못하고 있다.브래드제임스브라운 (토크) 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC) 16:33[응답]
약한 반대는 그리 큰 의미가 없어 보이지 않고 아래 IPL에 반대했다(둘 중 하나를 선택해야 하지만, 이것이 승산이 있다).HJ Mitchell Penny, 네 생각은 어때? 2010년 4월 28일(UTC) 16시 42분[응답]
약한 사람들은, 심지어 나 자신도 아이스하키 팬으로서도 반대한다.우리는 현재 매년 2개의 하키 스토리를 가지고 있다. (스탠리 컵과 올림픽/월드 챔피언)우리가 3분의 1을 정당화할 수 있을지 모르겠어.만약 우리가 3개로 결정한다면 이것은 정말 최선의 선택일 것이다.2010년 4월 28일 Modest Genius 17talk:42, (UTC)[응답]
번째 아이스하키 아이템에 대한 지원이 있어.2010년 4월 28일(UTC) 19시 59분 모데드 지니어스talk[응답]
지금부터는 중립이 없다.내 투표는 이제 그만 바꿀게!2010년 4월 29일(UTC) 16:41, 29(응답)
수수한 천재에 의한 약한 반대.Grsz11 17:50, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지, 거대한 하키 팬으로서 편견을 인정함.이것은 여기 있는 모든 사람들이 사랑하는 국제적인 의미를 가지고 있다.올림픽부터 러시아 대표팀의 주장이 챔피언 팀에 있다.랜덤89 17:51, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지원 - NHL에 이어 두 번째로 중요한 프로리그 --ThaddeusB (토크) 19:47, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
IPL의 대중성/상업적 성공에 반대하는 것은 결코 아니다. 만약 우리가 ITN을 누릴 자격이 없다고 생각한다면 이는 --Wikireader41 (토크) 20:08, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
편향성이 전혀 없는 지원 및 ITNR에도 포함.트라이 네이션스(마약국)식스 네이션스 챔피언십(이상 2개국)은 이미 그 자리에 있다. --candlewicke 20:18, 2010년 4월 28일(UTC)[응답]
8개의 버팀목이 되겠군그 정도면 게시할 수 있을 것 같은데?이것도 ITNR에 추가하겠다. --PlasmaTwa2 00:36, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
그러지 마 반대도 만만치 않아 f o x 20:24, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답하라]
지지자들은 나를 포함시키기 위해 더 강한 주장을 한 것 같다.반대편 대부분은 IPL이 게시되지 않은 것을 중심으로 하고 있다. --PlasmaTwa2 01:34, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 강한 반대:불과 며칠 전 IPL 시즌 3의 지명이 있었는데 리그의 이 좋지 않다며 거절당했다.나는 어떻게 갑자기 같은 주장이 이 경우에서 특징지어지지 않는지 알고 싶다.나는 아이스하키와 크리켓 두 경기 모두 (축구와 테니스에 비해) 전 세계에 걸쳐 존재감이 제한되어 있다고 생각한다.두 후보 모두 리그 경기다. 아이스하키는 IPL을 통과하면 어떨까? --GPPande 08:13, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
IPL 지명에 반대하는 또 다른 요점은 리그가 인도 아대륙 밖에서는 아무런 관심도 갖지 않고 여전히 중요하지 않은 것으로 간주된다는 것이다.그에 비하면 가가린컵은 러시아에서만 열린다.이 문제에 대해 구체적인 논의가 있어야 할 것 같다. --GPPande 08:21, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
흠, 나는 가장 큰 차이점은 아이스하키에서 NHL과 KHL이 두 개의 1차 리그이고 우리는 이미 1개 리그를 열거하고 있기 때문에 다른 하나의 리그를 열거할 수 있는 타당한 논쟁이 있다는 것이다.크리켓 20개로 IPL은 국내 20개 크리켓 리그/컵 중 하나이며, IPL을 포함하는 것 자체가 KHL이 없는 NHL을 포함하는 것과 같다. --Daviessimo (토크) 08:49, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
1차 리그에서 무슨 뜻인지 모르겠네?팬 팔로잉이나 수익 혹은 리그/컵에 참가하는 대부분의 팀들에 근거한 것인가?만약 그렇다면 IPL은 다른 2020 리그는 그렇지 않지만 모든 기준을 충족한다.2020 월드컵 이후 가장 중요한 Tween20 리그는 IPL이라고 생각한다. --GPPande 13:37, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
KHL과 NHL은 '두 개의 1차 리그'가 아니다.NHL은 유일한 1차 리그다.KHL이 스스로를 경쟁자로 여긴다고 해서 실제로 실현되는 것은 아니다. --스매쉬빌talk 13:51, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
반대해. 일본 시리즈 챔피언도 프로 야구 2위니까 포함시키는 거야?는 유럽의 주요 리그의 챔피온들 우리는-특히, SM-liiga, Elitserien andCzech 엑스트 라리갈까요?--Smashvilletalk 13:47, 4월 29일 2010년(CoordinatedUniversalTime)세계 주니어스, 이것 보다 더 중요한 하키 선수권 대회의 왜 우리는 미화 러시아 Superleague에서 선수권을 포함해야 하는 대회가 포함되지 않는.-LSB- re플라이]
내가 위에서 언급했듯이, 작년에 우리는 일본 시리즈의 우승자를 올렸다.월드시리즈 우승자와 함께 같은 블럽으로 포함되었다.--존셀락 (토크) 14:16, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
@GPPanda--IPL 챔피언도 게시된다면 이 아이템을 지지하시겠습니까?Btw, KHL은 러시아 이외의 24개 팀 중 3개 팀을 보유하고 있다.--Johnselak (대화) 14:16, 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC)[응답]
나는 어떤 스포츠/컵/리그 경기에도 반대하지 않는다.내가 말하고 싶은 것은 IPL에 적용된 KHL에도 비슷한 규칙이 적용되어야 한다는 것이다.또한, 작년 두 번째 시점까지 - IPL은 인도가 총선으로 인해 행사에 대한 보안을 제공하지 않았기 때문에 남아프리카로 옮겨졌다.IPL은 특히 남아프리카와 영국에서 아대륙 밖에서도 거대한 팬을 가지고 있다.작년에 ITN에 이 장소의 변화무쌍한 뉴스가 게재되었다.여기 봐.또한, 이것은 여러분을 놀라게 할 수도 있지만, 2009년 IPL 우승자들도 게시되었다.여기 봐.2010년에 ITN에서 IPL을 차단하기 위해 변경된 사항답은 간단하다. 리그/컵의 질이 나타났다.따라서 IPL과 KHL 모두에 대해 새로운 규칙이 삭제되거나(이 경우 모두 제공될 경우) KHL이 제공되지 않아야 한다. --GPPande 10:21, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
일본시리즈를 올리면 지지로 바꾸겠다. --스매쉬빌talk 16:51 (UTC) 2010년 4월 29일 ()

이전에 거부된 사항에 대한 재심

애리조나 이민법 오바마 대통령의 비난과 더불어 애리조나와 멕시코가 애리조나 시민들에게 "정치적 역풍"을 경고하는 여행자문을 내놓는 것에 대해 우리는 불매운동을 벌이지는 않았다.또한, 이 법을 폐지하려는 유권자들의 주도적인 캠페인이 시작될 수도 있다.재고하고 싶다면 (아마도 위에 있지 않을 것 같다)고 할 만큼 아직 신선하다고 생각한다. -- Mwalcoff (토크) 22:29, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

골드만삭스는 우리가 정말 이 문제에 대해 책임을 져버렸다고 생각하지만, 오늘 우리는 회사의 CEO가 미국 상원 위원회에 대한 잘못을 부인하는 것을 바로잡을 기회가 있다.이것은 우리가 원한다면 지금 골드만 아이템을 내세울 구실을 줄 수 있다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 22:29, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

다 반대하다.첫째는 너무 국지적이고, 둘째는 내가 아래에서 말했듯이 불경기로 볼 때 그렇게 환상적이거나 놀랍지 않다.HJ MitchellPenny, 네 생각은 어때? 2010년 4월 27일 22시 45분 (UTC)[응답하라]
다시 토론하고 싶지 않아하지만 골드만 문제는 어떻게 "불황에 비추어 볼 때 놀랍지 않다"고 말할 수 있을까?사기(Goldman이 고발한 것)는 좋은 때와 나쁜 때에 일어난다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 22:48, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
그리고 제가 지적하고 싶은 것은 구글 뉴스가 골드만에게 5천개가 넘는 조회수를 기록했다는 겁니다. 그리고 여전히 구글 뉴스는 그곳과 세계의 많은 미디어에서 최고의 기사였습니다.구글 뉴스는 와라기보다 100개도 안 된다.나는 그것이 유일한 기준이 아니라 거룩한 소라는 것을 안다. 이것은 초현실적으로 터무니없게 되어가고 있다.그 페이지의 이름은 "In the news" people이다."뉴스에" -- 음왈코프 (대화) 23:01, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
그리고 도대체, 내가 지금 이것을 언급할 이유는 아리조나 이야기가 아래에 있는 "너무 현지적"이라는 비난에 대응할 기회가 없었기 때문이다.애리조나 이야기는 더 이상 지역 이야기가 아니다.존 매케인, 젭 부시 같은 비애리조나 정치인들, 캘리포니아 상원의원 같은 정치인들이 이 책을 저울질하고 있는 것은 정말 국제적인 국가적 이야기다.오스트리아 선거나 다르푸르에서의 최근의 충돌에 비하면 이야기의 "지역적"이 훨씬 덜하다('인간은 개를 물다' 이론에 따르면 비극적이지만 실제 뉴스는 아니다).아, 그리고 애리조나 스토리는 구글 뉴스 조회수가 7700건을 넘었어. -- Mwalcoff (토크) 23:01, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
존 매케인 애리조나 상원의원 같은 비애리조나 정치인? -- 타리갑조투 00:07, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
오, 맞아, 그는 그랜드 캐년 주를 대표하는 사람이야.국가 차원의 폴이 아니라는 뜻이었다. -- 음왈코프 (대화) 00:14, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
그래서 몇몇 멕시코인들은 그것을 좋아하지 않고 몇몇의 거물급 DC 정치인들은 그것을 참고 있다.그래서 어쩌라고(말 말고는) 모든 사람들이 잊어버릴 때쯤에는, 그리고 내가 지난 번에 여러 뉴스 웹사이트를 봤을 때, 어떤 남자가 독극물 주사 대신에 총에 맞는 것을 선택했을 때, 훨씬 더 많은 관심을 받고 있었다.골드먼에 대해서는, 사람들이 민사 소송, 시장 가치의 하락, 그리고 현재 사기 행각을 포함시키기 위해 다투고 있는 것 같아, 나는 지금 혼란스럽다.무슨 용도를 모르면 공천을 지지할 수 없지만 (범죄자가 아니라 민사사건이기 때문에) 민사상 반대하며 시장가치선에는 반대한다.또한, 구글 뉴스 히트는 특히 미국 이야기에서 매우 부정확한 척도인데, 이는 미국의 미디어가 다른 어떤 나라보다 더 크기 때문이다.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은? 23:16, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
애리조나 이야기와 골드만 이야기 둘 다 내가 제안했을 때 거의 미국 전국 언론과 일부 국제 언론에서 톱기사였다.방금 TV를 봤는데 거의 모든 뉴스 채널에서 골드만 얘기를 하고 있었어.토크 페이지(어디서든, 평소와 마찬가지로 거의 아무도 눈치채지 못했던)에서 언급했듯이 뉴욕타임스, 워싱턴포스트, 월스트리트저널, LA타임즈, USA투데이, AP통신, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN에 큰 문제가 된다면 ITN에 대한 중요성과 관심이 충분하다고 가정할 수 있을 것 같다.내가 왜 골드만 혐의가 중요한지 충분히 설명하지 못했다면 미안해.회사 주가 하락을 이용해 혐의의 영향을 보여줬지만 주가 하락이 아닌 혐의 자체였다.그러나 골드만 규모의 회사가 하루에 10% 이상 하락하는 것이 정상이라고 생각한다면 완전히 틀린 것이다.Google 조회수 관련:미국이 영어권 세계에서 가장 큰 미디어를 보유하고 있는 것은 사실이지만, 대부분의 영어 위키백과 사용자들처럼 대부분의 원어민들도 미국인이기 때문이다.어느 한 나라의 상품보다 미국 상품을 더 많이 등장시키는 것은 문제될 것이 없다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:31, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
는 두 가지 문제에 중립적이며 아리조나 팀에 의지하고 있다.나는 Mwalcoff가 대부분의 사용자들이 미국인이기 때문에 더 많은 미국 아이템을 피처링하는 것에 아무런 문제가 없다고 대답하고 싶다.나는 그것이 완전히 옳다고 생각하지 않는다. 왜냐하면 그 논쟁은 다른 나라에서는 결코 통하지 않을 것이기 때문이다.누군가가 여기에 와서 (시청자의 2, 3위 국적이기 때문에) 영국, 캐나다 상품을 몇 개 더 입을 수 있어야 한다고 말했다면 - 미국만큼은 아니지만, 정상보다 몇 개 더 - 솔직히 말해서, 그것은 날지 않을 것이다. --PlasmaTwa2 00:25, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

(분쟁 편집) 미국 품목을 더 많이 갖기 위해서만 더 많은 미국 품목을 보유해야 한다고 말한 적은 없지만, 그렇게 두드러진 국가 품목을 너무 많이 배제하지 않도록 기준을 조정하는 것은 말이 된다고 생각한다.그리고 나는 더 많은 영국과 캐나다 품목에 찬성한다고 주장해왔다. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:36, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

다 지지할 겁니다.만약 이러한 통계들이 미국 컨트리별 WP 페이지뷰가 우리의 대부분의 시청자들이 있는 곳이라고 믿어진다면 확실히 알 수 있을 것이다.그러나 미국인이 ITN에 미국으로부터 더 많은 이야기를 가지고 가야 한다고 말하는 것은 매우 정치적으로 옳지 않은 것 같다. 미국인들은 오만하고 자기 중심적인 것으로 생각된다;-)-위키레더41 (대화) 00:35, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
그러니 내가 이 직설적인 mwalcoff를 얻을게.분석 결과, 미국에서 일어나는 뉴스나 세계 뉴스 중 미국인에게 중요한 뉴스만 게시되어야 하는가?btw는 이전의 논의에서 이미 논의된 이유로 양쪽 모두에 반대한다. -- Ashish-g55 00:54, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
그것은 내가 말한 것이 전혀 아니며, 만약 당신이 내가 토크 페이지에 올린 것을 읽는다면 그것은 내가 의도한 것이 아니라는 것이 매우 명백할 것이다.나는 미국 전국 언론이 거의 만장일치로 톱스토리로 간주하는 항목이 ITN 항목의 '관용성' 기준을 충족한 것으로 간주되어야 한다고 말했다.내가 게시해야 할 것은 그것뿐이라고 말한 적이 없다. -- Mwalcoff (대화) 01:05, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
당신이 열거한 신문들은 모두 미국 신문들이며 분명히 모두 같은 주제를 다룰 것이다.그래서 모든 전국적인 뉴스와 꽤 많은 지역 뉴스가 매일매일 다루어질 것이다. (그것도 꽤 쉽게 증명할 수 있다.)만약 그것이 신문이라고 불리지 않는다면. 그리고 당신은 토크 페이지에서 영국, 캐나다, 호주의 국영 미디어에 의해 "극히" 두드러진 취재를 받는 항목들을 말했다.그렇게 극단적이면 미국인에게도 문제가 될 겁니다그래서 그래 너의 분석은 간접적으로 내가 위에서 말한 것을 의미한다. -- Ashish-g55 01:17, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]
평범한 아이템은 미국 전역의 미디어에서 눈에 띄는 플레이를 하지 않는다.어느 곳에서나 톱 스토리가 되려면 일반적으로 꽤 큰 거래가 필요하다.위니펙의 경찰관 총격 사건 같은 것이 글로브 & 메일, 내셔널 포스트, CBC, CTV 전국 뉴스 방송의 톱 스토리가 될 수 있는 캐나다에서는 다르다.그렇기 때문에 캐나다 언론에서 한 이야기에서 더 높은 수준의 두각을 보여야 "ITN에 충분히 중요한 이야기일 것이다." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:30, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
첫째는 약간 "국제적이지 않다"이고, 둘째는 내가 맞다면 위기를 촉발시켰다.--yafsf465 07:47, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]
내가 처음 그랬던 것처럼 둘 다 반대해.애리조나는 지역적인 이야기고 골드만은 정치인이며 건전한 정치와 분노로 가득 차 있지만 구체적인 효과에 대해서는 다소 부족하다.브래드 제임즈브라운 (대화) 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC) 11시 57분 (답변)
오바마 대통령의 비난에 불과하고 미국의 한 위원회에 대한 비행거부에 불과하므로 반대하라. --candlewicke 20:21, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.애리조나 이민법은 지역적인 이야기만은 아니다.가디언지는 이번 주에 매일 하나 이상의 기사를 실었다. 이 검색 결과를 보아라.르몽드여기여기의 이야기를 다루었다.차이나데일리는 몇 가지 기사를 실었는데, 이 검색 목록의 맨 에 있는 항목을 봐.등등.기사 자체에는 미국 전역뿐만 아니라 인도, 이스라엘, 영국, 캐나다의 신문들이 인용한 글들이 포함되어 있다.그 기사 자체는 꽤 탄탄하다, 나는 대부분의 편집자들이 동의할 것이라고 생각한다.낭비된 시간 R (대화) 03:38, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
  • 지지하다.첫 번째는 국제적인 관심을 받은 이야기, 두 번째는 국제적으로 시장에 영향을 준 글로벌 기업의 고행의 일환이다. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 06:05, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]
반대: 어떤 이야기가 국제적인 주목을 받았다고 해서 그것이 주목할 만하다는 것을 의미하지는 않는다.이민법은 직접적으로 한 나라의 한 주에 관한 것이다.이것은 미국이나 유럽연합 전체를 직접적으로 다루는 법이 아니다.골드만삭스는 위의 다른 사람을 인용하자면 "정치를 하는 정치인"이다.HonoraryMix (대화) 09:04, 2010년 4월 30일 (UTC)[응답]

그리스 채권이 정크로 다운그레이드됨

그리스 채권은 정크 상태로 강등되었다.이런 일이 일어난 것은 EU 제1국. (BBC)--위키레더41 (대화) 18:42, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

지원 - 며칠 전 후보자로 지명된 그리스의 EU 재정 지원 요청과 결합하면 된다 --Daviessimo (토크) 18:56, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
지지, 자연스럽게.데이비도 동의해 f o x 19:29, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
지원. --candlewicke 20:28, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
위와 같은 지원. -- 지우개헤드1 <토크> 20:41, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
코멘트 나는 사용할 수 있는 2010년 그리스 채무 위기를 업데이트했다.--Wikireader41 (대화) 20:58, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
코멘트, 내가 읽었던 것처럼, 이것은 쓰레기 상태까지 강등된 시청률 조사기관들 중 하나일 뿐이다.여전히, 그것은 진행중인 이야기고, 아마도 중요한 이야기일 것이다.Physchim62 (talk) 21:38, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
지지하다.비록 하나의 기관이라고 해도, 특히 선진국과 EU 회원국에게는 일상적인 행사와는 거리가 멀다.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은? 2010년 4월 27일 21시 48분 (UTC)[응답하라]
댓글을 달다.ITN 기준을 충족하기에 충분할 정도로 업데이트가 양호해 보인다.HJ 미첼 페니 생각은? 2010년 4월 27일 21시 50분 (UTC)[응답하라]
지지하다.우리는 유럽과 미국(아마도 오늘 밤 아시아에서)의 주가 하락과 동시에 포르투갈의 두 단계 하락을 언급해야 한다.나는 우리가 왜 이것이 중요한지 설명하는 데 도움을 줄 일종의 키커가 필요하다고 생각한다. 왜냐하면 대부분의 사람들은 (적어도 미국에서) "그리스?그래서 뭐?" -- -- 음왈코프 (대화) 22:29, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 미국인들이 당신이 말하는 것처럼 그렇게 자기 중심적이라고 생각하지 않는다.고물로 전락하는 EU 국가의 채권은 충분히 중요하다. 주가가 1~2% 하락했다고 해서 보완할 필요는 없다고 생각한다.거의 매일 이런저런 이유로 일어나는 일이지그러나 나는 Daviessimo의 의견에 동의하고 그것이 일관된 주요 뉴스인 만큼 그것을 EU의 대출 요청과 결합하는 것을 지지한다. -- Ashish-g55 22:45, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

오은선

: 중요한 성과야.기사는 약간의 작업이 필요하겠지만, 오늘 중으로 언급하겠다. --ThaddeusB-public (대화) 13:39, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

논평 - 실제로 그녀가 14개 중 한 개의 정점에 도달했는지에 대해 논란이 있는데, 이것은 문제가 될 수 있다 --Daviessimo (토크) 18:54, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

2010년 수단 총선

선거는 2주 전이었지만 공식 결과는 이제 막 나왔다.오마르 알 바시르 대통령 일당이 승리…(대화) 13:04, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

ITNR별 지원. --candlewicke 20:29, 2010년 4월 27일(UTC)[응답]
촛대wicke.--ysaf465 02:44, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
게시 - 두멜로우 (대화) 2010년 4월 29일 (UTC) 12:48, 응답

시에라리온, 여성과 어린이를 위한 무료 의료 서비스 도입

(BBC). 시에라리온은 임신 및 모유 수유 여성과 5세 미만 아동을 위한 무료 헬스케어를 도입했다.세계 5대 이하 사망률이 가장 높은 나라의 큰 걸음.시에라리온의 헬스케어는 좋은 타겟 기사처럼 보일 이다 - 두멜로 (토크) 11:07, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]

아쉽게도 업데이트를 수행할 시간이 없어. --candlewicke 20:14, 2010년 4월 27일(UTC)[응답]
헬스케어_in_Sierra_Leone#Free_healthcare_scheme - Dumelow (대화) 21:48, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]에서 그것에 대해 조금 썼다.
반대 - 시에라리온 여성과 어린이들에게 좋은 소식이지만, 국제적인 의미는 별로 보이지 않는다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 19:51, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다.아마도 미국의 움직임만큼 중요한 것은 아니지만 그럼에도 불구하고 중요하다.~AH1(TCU) 22:52, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

우크라이나 의회의 연기 폭탄

Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (대화) 08:49, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

우크라이나 민주주의와 우크라이나-러시아 관계 모두를 위한 중요한 이야기 지원 --ADtalk 13:08, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
핵심 기사는 러시아일 수 있다고 생각한다.우크라이나 관계
지지하다.수천 명의 시위대, 연막탄, 달걀과 우산, 펀치와 손수건.평소처럼 들리지 않는 작업일. --candlewicke 20:22, 2010년 4월 27일(UTC)[응답]
코멘트--우리는 이미 세바스토폴 기지에 러시아/우크라이나간의 합의서를 게시했다.--존셀락 (대화) 14:57, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]

40년 된 노르웨이와 러시아의 국경 분쟁 해결

천연가스가 풍부한 바렌츠 해해상 경계선을 둘러싼 노르웨이러시아분쟁 해결은 메드베데프 러시아 대통령의 국빈 방문 기간인 오늘 오슬로에서 발표되었다.__메코 (대화) 2010년 4월 27일 10시 31분 (UTC)[응답]

불행히도 우리 기사들 중 어느 것도 양국간의 가장 중요한 두 가지 현안 중 하나인 이 갈등에 대해 기술하지 않았고, 다른 하나는 러시아 니켈 공장에서 나온 오염이다.__메코 (대화) 2010년 4월 27일 10시 31분 (UTC)[응답]
이는 일반 WP 이용자에게 다소 불명확한 외교적 사건으로 보인다.(러시아에서도) 언론 보도가 많이 안 되고 있다.--존스멜락 (대화) 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC) 14:48[응답]
지지하다.채널뉴스아시아, 뉴욕타임스, 도이체벨레. --candlewicke 20:27, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
댓글을 달다.러시아-노르웨이 국경지대의 새로운 기사와 연결되었다.Oceanh (토크) 01:00, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC) (W/Later revision)[응답]


4월 26일

4월 26일 ITN 후보자들

아라비아 항공기가 파키스탄에 비상 착륙하다

아라비아 항공 521편이 화물칸 화재로 카라치 공항에 비상 착륙했다.화물칸에서 연기가 난다는 신고가 접수됐고 조종사는 파키스탄 카라치로 방향을 바꾸기로 했다.비행기는 현지 시간으로 오후 4시 10분에 안전하게 착륙했다.승무원과 승객 155명 사이에는 부상자가 없었다[23] --사키 08:24, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

반대 비상 착륙은 놀랄 만큼 흔치 않다. 나는 몇 가지 일을 겪었다.WP에 따르면, 이 이벤트는 취재 대상이 될 수 있지만, 기사조차 포함해서는 안 된다.Aircrash. Bradjamesbrown (대화) 08:37, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

프랑스로 인도된 마누엘 노리에가

파나마의 전 독재자 마누엘 노리에가미국에서 프랑스인도된다.Grsz11 23:28, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]

지지 - 오늘 아침 뉴스에서 이것을 보았다.만약 이것이 보통의 조였다면 나는 아니라고 말하겠지만, 노리가는 전 (사실상) 파나마의 지도자 --데이비시모 (토크) 06:58, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
문제에 대해 다른 사람?마누엘 노리에가가 상당히 업데이트 된 것 같다.Grsz11 22:28, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
지원. --BorgQueen (대화) 02:51, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
이의...? --BorgQueen (대화) 07:37, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답]
게시. --BorgQueen (토크) 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC) 10:41, 응답
뒤늦은 지원.2010년talk 4월 28일 Modest Genius 11:48(UTC)[응답]
공식적으로, 나는 그것을 가지고 살 수 있으니, 그것을 지원이라고 불러라.브래드 제임즈브라운 (대화) 11:54, 2010년 4월 28일 (UTC)[응답하라]

벨기에

벨기에의 앨버트 왕은 언어 분쟁을 둘러싼 총리의 사임을 받아들인다.출처를 알려주고 싶지만, 방금 고장났어.카고킹토크 16:54, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]

  • 일단 확인이 되면 지원. ~DC 16:55, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
업데이트가 있을 때 지원브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 2010년 4월 26일 16:57 (UTC)[응답]
지원 - 업데이트의 대상 문서는? 벨기에 연방정부존재하지 않는 레테르메 2 정부여야 한다고 제안한다. --ThaddeusB-public (대화) 17:03, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답] 그리고 우리는
다음과 같은 소식통을 가지고
있다
.
벨기에의 앨버트 왕이 집권 연합이 붕괴된 후 이브 르테메 총리 정부의 사임을 받아들였다고 관리들이 말했다.
카고킹토크 17:14, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
앞서
서포트워스
지명했다.--yousaf465 17:40, 2010년 4월 26일
(UTC
)[응답]
전반적
으로 그
이야기를 지지하되, 게시하기 전에
총리 지명 때까지 기다리자고 제안한다.
스페인 언론의 논평은 기다림이 그리 길지 않을 것임을 시사한다.
Physchim62(talk) 17:45, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답하라]
매우 중요한 이야기
지원
한다
.
Truthort (talk) 2010년 4월 26일 19:24 (UTC)[응답]
Comment
New
Pm은 내가 생각
하는 새로운
아이템
이 될
것이다.
어떻게 생각하십니까? --yousaf465 02:58, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
나는 위의 몇 가지 의견에 동의한다; 내가 지적했듯이, 퇴임하는 정부는 기사조차 가지고 있지 않기 때문에 새로운 수상을 기다리는 것이 가장 좋을 것이다. --ThaddeusB (대화) 03:33, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

Leterme II 정부라는 기사가 지금 만들어졌다.ITN에 충분한지 모르겠지만, 시작이야...새로운 수상은 수개월 동안 알려지지 않은 채로 남아있을 수도 있다.프람 (대화) 09:20, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

좀 더 산문이 있었으면 좋겠지만, 나는 분명히 이 이야기를 지지한다. 특히 위기가 닥쳤을 때 정부 수장들의 변화는 본질적으로 ITN 가치가 있다.HJ MitchellPenny, 당신의 생각은? 13:40, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
이건 ITNR이지?지원.---존스멜락 (대화) 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC) 14:44[응답]

"올해의 선수"

이것이 충분히 중요한가? --candlewicke 04:58, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]

아니, 우린 리그 상을 올리지 않아.~DCTalk To Me 05:03, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
세계적인 상일 수도 있지만 국내 상은 아니다.반대하다.브래드제임스브라운 (대화) 07:59, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
반대.---존셀락 (대화) 15:52, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답하라]

펜실베이니아 스크랜턴 교구에는 새로운 주교가 생겼다.

스크랜턴 교구 --209.244.30.253 (대화)20:46, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답하라]

매우 지역적인 항목에 반대하지 않는가? --PlasmaTwa2 21:05, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답하라]
Plasma와 일치하도록 반대한다.스펜서T♦Nominate! 21장 11절, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 추기경의 죽음은 지난 주에 거절당했다; 주교(대주교나 영장류가 아님)의 설치는 확실히 너무 지역적이고, 어쨌든 너무 자주 일어나는 사건이다.브래드 제임즈브라운 (대화) 01:55, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

노마

코펜하겐의 노마는 세계 최고의 레스토랑으로 선정되었다.요크샤이어스키(토크) 21:17, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답하라]

매일(또는 기본적으로) 요리 기사를 올릴 기회를 얻는 것은 아니므로, 어디선가 광범위한 업데이트가 이루어진다는 점을 감안하여 기꺼이 지원하겠다 - 아마도 리스트에 대한 기사(레스토랑 (마거진) 상위 50위.다른 순위는 이 목록의 중요도에 근접할 것이라고 생각하지 않는다. --ThaddeusB (토크) 22:21, 2010년 4월 26일 (UTC)[응답]
반대하라 위에서 다른 종류의 이야기를 듣는 것은 좋겠지만, 이것은 잘못된 이야기다.식당 순위는 어떤지 모르겠지만, 이것은 여전히 의견의 문제야, 거의 다른 어떤 "최고의" 리스트보다도 더 그렇다.이 식당은 미슐랭(별 두 개)의 3성 등급도 없다는 점에 유의하십시오.그리고 나는 목록 작성의 일부가 마케팅 계획에 불과하다고 생각한다. 노마는 확실히 1년 동안 많은 것을 바꾸지 않았지만 그들은 흥미로운 것들을 만들기 위해 목록을 뒤섞어야 한다.마지막으로, 이것은 언론의 큰 관심을 받지 못하는 것 같다. -- 타리카브조투 00:29, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
그 명단은 800명 이상의 위원회에서 요리 지식을 얻기 위해 선정되었다.레스토랑은 결과의 출판사일 뿐이다. - 편집자들은 개인적으로 수상자를 고르지 않는다. --ThaddeusB (토크) 00:54, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
반대 DYK타입에 가깝다.--yousaf465 02:59, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답하라]
반대--존셀락 (대화) 03:21, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]
지지하다."그 어느 때보다 국제적이어서, 런던에 본부를 둔 것 같은 느낌이 들지 않는다."ITN이 세계 최고의 부자를 가질 수 있다면 최고의 레스토랑은 어떨까? --candlewicke 20:18, 2010년 4월 27일(UTC)[응답]
왜냐하면 세계 부자는 양적인 것이고, 최고의 식당은 질적인 것이기 때문이다. -- 타리카브조투 20:40, 2010년 4월 27일 (UTC)[응답]

4월 25일

ITN candidates for April 25

Indian Premier League

Chennai Super Kings defeat Mumbai Indians to win the third Indian Premier League tournament.

Significant coverage in international media CNN, Sydney Morning Herald, Al Jazeera. I think this can be an ITNR. SPat talk 09:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support: I have even nominated IPL for ITNR on talk page. I think this should be added to WP ITNR as it is just once an year event and one of most watched event across cricketing world. --GPPande 10:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
strong support. also add to ITNR -- Ashish-g55 13:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support and add to ITNR.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
bolded article should be 2010 Indian Premier League instead -- Ashish-g55 14:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major tournament of a very popular sport. 2010 Indian Premier League is the correct article to link to. The update appears to be 3 sentences of prose, which is probably sufficient, however I would prefer a bit more. I would also support ITNR. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We haven't any record of posting it earlier if I'm correct, I will quote the ICC's chairman in this reagrd "IPL is an India's Local tournament...". Also it has got too many match fixing and other controversies that I don't think neutrality tag is going any where soon. --yousaf465 17:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
since when are local tournaments off limits (i would rather not give examples... i can though)? If you look at the players that participated in tournament with the flags besides them then you will see its not that local either. And it was posted last year. -- Ashish-g55 18:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support would support placing in ITN/R. this is a truly international tournament whether Pakistani's are invited or not. --Wikireader41 (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because of league quality. Half the best internationals are not there because of international duty, and also, 63% of the playing positions are reserved for Indians, so you have the situation where top-5 world-ranked players such as Daniel Vettori and Muttiah Muralitharan are sitting on the bench while uncapped 20-yo Indian players with less than a year in first-class cricket are playing because of a quota. The quality of play is significantly below international standards at world cups, champions trophy etc. It is far from being the highest standard of the sport. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The top three teams from last year's IPL went to the 2009 Champions League Twenty20 and came 5th, 6th and 10th out of 12, if you use points and net run rate as the criteria. While other domestic club tournaments go up such as NBA, UEFA Champions League, they are clearly the top league in their sport with 90%+ of the best players actually on the park, not sub-par quota players. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i'm not exactly sure how international duty or 63% of the playing positions are reserved for Indians or that the players somehow came 5th, 6th and 10th matter to why IPL should go up or not (and have you looked at the big names that actually did play?). Its a highly prestigious league watched by 1.5 or so+ billion people around the world... The fact that people from around the world wanna play but are restricted alone gives it quite a bit of notability. -- Ashish-g55 00:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because the standard of competition is far from the highest in the given field. 1.5_billion assumes that everyone in the cricket world watches, which they do not. If popularity is the determiner of whether it goes up or not then ITN should be filled up with Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan etc and the results of American Idol or The Biggest Loser ahead of a parliamentary election. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i did not assume entire cricket world watches it. that would make it around 2.2 bil... -- Ashish-g55 01:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Where do the 2.2 billion come from. There are 1.4/5b in the subcontinent. another 100-150 million in Aus/RSA/UK. Where are the other 600m? YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose, and strongest possible opposition to ITNR. See Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Cricket:_IPL for discussions that were held last month on exactly this topic. This is a domestic league with virtually zero interest outside the subcontinent, and is in no way the highest level of the sport (nor even the particular format). Modest Geniustalk 01:22, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Zero interest outside the subcontinent'? I find that a bit of an exaggeration. Certainly it involves players from outside the subcontinent. It's broadcast all over the world. Even if we only count interest there, the 'subcontinent' includes at least four very populous countries.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was waiting for User:YellowMonkey comments, anyway this years edition was blocked in half of the subcontinent Pakistan talks of boycotting IPL 2011, Champions League and Cable operators to boycott IPL telecast the actually did it.--yousaf465 02:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment since when did Pakistan become half the subcontinent ??? IPL is one of the fastest growing sports leagues in the world 'and by a vast distance the most commercially successful cricketing venture since Victorian Englishmen first started charging people to watch'[24][25]--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as YellowMonkey and Modest Genius say, this isn't the 'international' competition that some people try and claim it is, and while it does have a number of talented players, it is also missing a number of talented players. The strict media controls make it idfficult to watch the sport outside of India, particularly if you can't watch it live. Maybe the winner of the Champions League Twenty20 should get posted on here, but not just the IPL. Harrias talk 05:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - we have the 2010 ICC World Twenty20 occurring in a few weeks, which is a far bigger interntational event that should be posted. I would also agree that we are better posting the winner of the Champions League Twenty20, which features the winning teams from all of the major domestic twenty20 leagues, of which the IPL is only one league --Daviessimo (talk) 07:13, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Guys we got some really bad news just as some of us suspected Indian Premier League rocked by match-fixing claims against 27 players.--yousaf465 07:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. --candlewicke 20:32, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was going to abstain, but in the light of the match-fixing allegations, strongest possible oppose- it's not the highest competition in the sport, the figures of billions of viewers are disproportionate and an exaggeration, the quality of play is, as I understand it, not much better than English county cricket and now it seems the play wasn't even honest. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 20:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per YellowMonkey and HJ Mitchell. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i still dont understand what honesty has to do with it going up or not, they are only allegations. i just find it interesting that NCAA is somehow more internationally notable/more watched than IPL (i dont think i need to even prove that thats not true). but i guess when it comes to posting sporting events in north america ITN criteria's dont really apply. -- Ashish-g55 21:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well all the baseball, ice hockey and basketball in the world does gravitate to the MLB/NHL and NBA; they play in the US leagues and leave their home leagues, and choose club over country, unlike the IPL because the internationals have not chosen club over country and are absent representing their country (and rightly so). As for NCAA I didn't support that basketball one, and as far as swimming goes, most of the swimming world (US, Europe, the few Africans and a minority of Japanese and Australian) do go through NCAA because there is no money in the sport (apart from Australian/Asian funding and communist conscription) and the free uni is actually worth more. The NCAA swimming is actually closer to World/Olympic standard than IPL is to international cricket. And as for this red herring about "popularity" and "notability", sporting merit has long been the criteria for ITN, not money/spam/advertising machine/TV figures. Even second-tier tennis tournaments or cycling classics (above the rest but below grand slams/tours) eg Cincinnatti, Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Queens etc, or Paris-Roubaix, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, Paris-Nice have a higher turnout % of the top players than the IPL. You are India's answer to Mwalcoff and this "US Champions=World Champions" whether you are a NRI/PIO or not. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Easy with the ridiculous personal attacks. You do not know where i am from nor am i trying to represent any country here. if you knew me any better then you would not have thrown around random accusations of me being India's answer or whatever. There are 5 supports i see above besides me... and my point was NCAA basketball was posted regardless of whether you supported it or not. And this not being posted only shows how north american sports dont need the same criteria as others. I will stop here since decent conversation most likely wont take place any more. -- Ashish-g55 05:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok time out... To be fair to Ashish, his userpage states he is Canadian and unless there was some mad invasion last night, Canada is not part of India! I would also have to disagree with the assertion that NCAA sports are always top level. The only reason the NCAA item was posted is because, as with a lot of US items, a load of users who never normally comment on a story all of a sudden appeared to proclaim their support and accuse those who opposed of some form of anti-American Euro-Asian-communist conspiracy. At the end of the day, people outside of America have heard of the likes Michael Jordan or Shaquille O'Neal and I'm fairly certain its not down to the prowess in college. On the subject of the IPL, I think many opposes have touched on this, but the fundamental issue for me is that the importance and popularity of this tournament outside the subcontinent is being hugely overblown and given that it is not the top level of twenty20 cricket (and thus can't get included on that ITN clause ;) there is no convincing argument for this to be included. --Daviessimo (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, on hindsight posting NCAA was a bad idea. –Howard the Duck 12:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps that's true but the NCAA item was supported overwhelmingly by mostly users who do regularly post at ITN/C and there weren't any accusations of "anti-American Euro-Asian-communist conspiracy", or even just anti-Americanism. Anyway, I think the NCAA is mostly irrelevant here. --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"And as for this red herring about "popularity" and "notability", sporting merit has long been the criteria for ITN, not money/spam/advertising machine/TV figures." I don't agree with this premise. I haven't seen any ITN criteria that make sporting merit the single or even primary criteria for choosing sports items. We tend to prefer sports events with an international profile--that's the criterion I see applied most often. However, I believe that the economic impact and popularity of sports should be considered when evaluating sports items along with sporting merit. If sporting merit were the single consideration, then we should ax the Ashes from ITNR since its a competition between only two countries which aren't at the top of the world cricket rankings. However, we post that series due to its cultural significance and its popularity.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

British government ordered to pay $650 million to Iran

By an international arbitration court in The Hague. Strangely, this seems to have been overlooked by the British media. Ha'aretz, Press TV, ABC News, Ynetnews, Sify. --candlewicke 02:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please start a wikipage for this arbitration case. It's hard to say Yes or No without first reading what you want to showcase on ITN/MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 03:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what to do with it or where it belongs. I was just looking for the thoughts and opinions of others. --candlewicke 03:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a new section in Iran – United Kingdom relations? --PFHLai (talk) 03:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks. ;-) An international arbitration court in The Hague rules that the British government must pay $650 million in compensation to Iran. --candlewicke 04:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is an odd bit and surely anathema to the UK administration. I'm for it. __meco (talk) 06:10, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Obviously British media will not report it. Anyway I think update the article and then post it. Just post it now.--yousaf465 07:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
SupportBradjamesbrown (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Not an every day event, but hardly Earth-shattering either. The blurb should make it clear why the compensation is being paid: something like: The United Kingdom is ordered to pay Iran $650 million owed from a cancelled 1970s weapons contract. Physchim62(talk) 08:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Switch to Oppose per Dumelow below. Physchim62 (talk) 14:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is being reported in the UK Telegraph and Independent. I suspect it is not getting much coverage because the Telegraph says the court case was decided in April last year and the MoD is now waiting for Iran to officially apply to get its money back. In addition Iran will not actually receive the money, it will go into a holding account totalling a billion dollars that cannot be transferred to Iran due to EU sanctions. Finally the money will not affect the UK as the government allocated £486 million to the High Court in 2002 prior to the judgement and it has only been ordered to repay £390 million. In summary: it happened a year ago, the funds are available but Iran has not asked for them and will not legally be able to receive them - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Significant decision concerning relations of the two countries. --GPPande 10:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarification? In light of what Dumelow has said, and the changes he made to the article, what's the story here? The case was decided a year ago and the article doesn't make it clear what is relevant and news in April 2010. -- tariqabjotu 10:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - evidently the actual event that happened yesterday was that it was revealed the British government is now stop refusing to pay the year-old judgment. That isn't a big enough event to make ITN, in my opinion. Also 650 million is peanuts to the government. As near as I can tell, the event has drawn almost zero international coverage at this time. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

London Marathon

The Boston Marathon was recently posted after one record was broken. Several world records for running were broken here, according to the BBC. Princess Beatrice of York became the first royal to complete it as well. --candlewicke 02:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the target article?--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting the real results: Tsegaye Kebede wins men's in 2:05:18; Liliya Shobukhova wins women's in 2:21:59. That is, assuming an appropriate target is found and updated. Oppose posting the many novelty "records" broken.--ThaddeusB (talk) 02:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I get the impression you didn't read that BBC article, Candlewicke. -- tariqabjotu 03:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the major results if an article gets an update; but all the so-called "records" are utterly meaningless. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but the winners only. On a side note, perhaps the Boston, NY, and London marathons could make it to ITNR. Other major ones could be added too (the three I've mentioned are what I'd consider the biggest, but I'm not an expert on the field). ~DCTalk To Me 03:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I concur that those are the biggest three and are ITNR worthy. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a bit arbitrary to just choose those three. If we are going to pick some to put in ITNR, I would assume we should pick all 5 marathons in the World Marathon Majors. --TorsodogTalk 13:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So, what happened at the 2010 London Marathon? Please stick at least a decent paragraph or two of prose (+Refs) to summarize what happened this year into the London Marathon article. With no updating, we have no updated wikipage to showcase on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't think this merits displacing other items of real news from their spots on ITN. __meco (talk) 06:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per meco. --GPPande 10:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment--The five World Marathon Majors are New York, Boston (posted just this April), Chicago, London, and Berlin. It does make sense to post all five as a matter of consistency. However, I personally think that's probably too many marathons to post every year--1-2 seems to be enough to me. Marathon articles aren't particularly well developed incidentally I've noticed. That said, I really don't know enough about the sport to say which marathon to choose. Boston is the oldest marathon by some distance. The New York one is also very important however (the London marathon was inspired by the New York marathon as mentioned in is article). It'd be good to get some comment by someone with some expertise in the matter. On this year's London marathon, we still need a decent target article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In my estimation the level of prominance goes: Boston, London, New York, Berlin, Chicago. Boston and London get a lot more coverage than the other 3. As such, I would support Boston+London; Boston+London+New York; or all 5 as ITNR. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All five seems fine to me. ~DCTalk To Me 16:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about New York and Chicago- Berlin generally goes up because it's a fast course and records are typically set there. SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Meco's rationale is weak in that we aren't supposed to be opposing items based on a preference for the position of current items and we're going to be due an update before long anyway. Personally, I think we should post all 5 of the major mrathons- it's only 5 a year after all and we already posted Boston. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 16:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: We still need an update. I don't think adding substantial prose to London Marathon is justified, so teh options are are a stand-alone 2010 London Marathon page or an update to the individual runner pages. If people express a preferance, I'll be happy to do an update this evening. I also agree with the comment above - our marathon coverage in general is pretty weak. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say to update the winner's pages. That's how we worked it for the Boston Marathon. ~DCTalk To Me 16:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll work on it. I prefer working on biographies anyway. Can we find a way to work in List of winners of the London Marathon, which is FL? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 16:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Something like '''[[Tsegaye Kebede]]''' [[List of winners of the London Marathon wins]] the Men's [[London Marathon]]; '''[[Liliya Shobukhova]]''' wins the women's event. could work. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I decided to create 2010 London Marathon in light of a comment in the Telegraph that "nobody remembers the winners". It probably needs another paragraph or so before it can be posted. There are plenty of free images on Flickr, but I've yet to see one that would be really useful for ITN. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 19:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Nice work everyone. A bit short of time at the mo so if someone else wnats to update the pic pleas ego ahead - Dumelow (talk) 23:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Alan Sillitoe

- Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Don't think the boy was one of the most prominent writers of his time at all, and the article has little on his actual death. f o x 14:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For those who don't know: BBC f o x 15:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link, Fox. I'm afraid I have to go with an oppose based on that and the quality of our article. An interesting gentleman, most definitely- interesting enough that I might do some work on the article, but I'm afraid his death is just not significant enough for ITN. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 15:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose--not that prominent of a writer. No major awards won.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't see a significant level of prominence. Truthsort (talk) 16:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

50 dead in post election violence in Sudan

(BBC) 50 people have died in after a company of 120 men of the the South Sudan army came under attack by nomadic Darfuri Arabs. Sudanese nomadic conflicts (an article probably familiar to ITN regulars) is a possibility for an update - Dumelow (talk) 13:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts I think I'll start a new article (and link it to the other one), there seems to be enough sources about this - Dumelow (talk) 13:20, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am working on it at 2010 South Darfur attack - Dumelow (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Appears to be a significant attack, even for Darfur. However the article should probably be expanded further. ~AH1(TCU) 13:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion. f o x 14:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting eventually. I raised an NPOV concern I raised with Dumelow here. Admins should check this before posting. Input from others appreciated.resolved --Chaser (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Man that is a lot of deaths for this. Truthsort (talk) 16:18, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would support (basically per Truthsort, also because the election had received a reasonable amount of international coverage before it happened), but I don't see an update worthy of the name. If we post this, we have to be clear why it is important and we have to give our readers details: without that, there's no point in adding it to the Main Page. Physchim62 (talk) 14:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Austrian presidential election, 2010

Heinz Fischer

A presidential election is to be held in Austria - Dumelow (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The incumbent president, Heinz Fischer, is almost certain to be re-elected: he has about 80% approval ratings, including in voter intentions. His re-election is almost "not news", although we do have free images of him ;) Discuss! Physchim62(talk) 01:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support regardless -- Ashish-g55 06:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand correctly, the President of Austria is a figurehead. That, plus lack of surprise in the win, and the general lack of media coverage as far as I can see leads me to Oppose, though if we must do as per ITNR then that's that.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lack of media coverage? I've just gone through all the bare URLs and there is coverage going back to early 2009. --candlewicke 03:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per the article- "Though theoretically entrusted with great power by the constitution, in practice the President acts, for the most part, merely as a ceremonial figurehead." HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 13:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But what about the Queen? "She is politically neutral and by convention her role is largely ceremonial" :-) --candlewicke 03:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but after the results have been published.--Avala (talk) 14:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. --candlewicke 18:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support After some significant cleanup is done to that article; all but one reference is a bare URL. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Problem solved, whew! :-) --candlewicke 03:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think this one is ready now. Heinz Fischer (pictured) wins the Austrian presidential election, 2010. --candlewicke 03:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer:
File:Fischer Heinz 20040416 P4160034.JPG or File:Heinz Fischer, Technisches Museum Wien, 2009a.jpg are probably better images to use, rather than the one in which he is ostentatiously looking away from the rest of the Main Page! Physchim62(talk) 14:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@Candlewicke. When I mentioned the Austrian president was a figurehead (a word from our article) I knew the Queen comparison would come up. Elizabeth II is the queen of hundreds of millions of people and has been for over 50 years. Any change of the UK monarch would be the largest global news item by some distance. Absolutely no comparison with the President of Austria, a figurehead leader of around 8 million whose election is generating very little media coverage. I favor a general policy that we don't post the elections of only figurehead/ceremonial leaders and we consider the Queen to be an exception. We post A LOT of elections and changes in heads of state. I don't object the the policy generally but I think we can draw a line somewhere.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was just thinking of raising exactly that point of WT:ITN ;) The other example is the Pope, who is Head of State of about one square mile, but whose death would be a no-brainer for ITN. This presidential election is not a no-brainer: that doesn't matter either way, as long as we recognize the fact. Physchim62(talk) 14:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The pope is, of course, the head of one of the world's largest religions, so I don't see that as a problem.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The death of the Pope should, IMO, produce two ITN items- the death of Benedict XVI, and the election of his successor, events that will be separated by at least a week, with no real upper bound. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, although I got to say the update is a little weak. But it is an election, so I'm not sure what else there is to say. I probably would have opposed this nomination myself, but the people appear to have spoken. -- tariqabjotu 18:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

South Park depictions of Muhammad get censored

I'm not sure why no one has bothered to nominate this story which broke four days ago. I certainly think it merits an ITN spot. South Park controversies#Censorship of the depiction of Muhammad and several other articles have been updated with this. __meco (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I think its spot at DYK is good enough. This is a story that has caught attention worldwide, but it seems primarily because it's an OMG-Muslims-angry-again story. It's quite obvious that this is nowhere near the scale of the Danish cartoons; it's just one group that no one has ever heard of making grandiose threats and a television network being over-cautious in response to them. And, as I said, it's the media jumping all over an otherwise non-major story. But kudos to the writers of 200 (South Park) (the article, I mean). -- tariqabjotu 11:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with you. The Islamist onslaught on the core Western value of freedom of expression now has taken its latest toll as perhaps the least authority-conforming bastion also cowers to their terror strategy. I think South Park constitutes a milestone in this respect, and a very sad one indeed, one that warrants general attention. __meco (talk) 13:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't even attempt to hide your editorialization. Further reason why this shouldn't be on the Main Page; we're not here to make a point. -- tariqabjotu 01:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any debate on the nomination is moot at this point. Items are sorted by the date they occurred, not the date posted. Thus, even if this was approved instantly, it wouldn't make it on to the template. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:20, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ, its an ongoing story so technically its still occurring. The law was passed recently but the reactions and other developments are all very recent, its taken a national presence afterwards. Maybe I can rephrase or re-write the heading?--Theo10011 (talk) 13:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How can the nomination window have expired on this story? The episode aired on April 21, and its posted on the news portal on the 22nd. __meco (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because all current stories occurred on the 22nd or later. As it so happens, we have had an unusally large number of stories go up the last few days.--ThaddeusB (talk) 15:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so familiar with ITN guidelines, but do they actually prevent this from being posted out of chronological order if a consensus were to gather for it? __meco (talk) 15:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose anything could happen, but if posted it would have to be at the very bottom of the list which means it would drop off as soon as another story was approved. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propose blurb:

__meco (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The censorship of one TV series is not significant enough for ITN. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 13:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I should have indicated my comment above was for Thaddeus for moving my suggestion about the Arizona Immigration law below, merging it with the older post and not about South park. As for the south park news item, its not notable enough, and the story has been overshadowed as well, so I would Oppose, sorry.--Theo10011 (talk) 14:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What to you mean the story has been overshadowed? __meco (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok let me rephrase that, the story is of lesser prominence now than before when episode 201 aired, almost 4 days later. The episode that started the controversy is more than 2 weeks old, the threat- about one and a half week, from what I have seen, after Comedy central's censorship there were no news-worthy developments, only reactions. this is ofcourse overlooking what someone already mentioned above, its a TV show, the notability of the story could be easily questioned especially for a Non-US reader. Thank you--Theo10011 (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You vastly underestimate the circulation of this series worldwide, and of the ongoing news coverage this story is garnering. Go on Google News and try searching in different language editions and you will see this. __meco (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Trust me when I say this Meco, I dont underestimate south park's world-wide popularity, being a loyal viewer myself, currently there are 1800 sources covering the story on google news. Its just that the story wasn't notable enough, compared to some of their previous complications and controversies, it was an empty threat on some random forum that faded away. The voter above for example stated the exact same two concerns as well.--Theo10011 (talk) 14:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The issue isn't whether the threat was real or not, but how the network decided to act, and reactions to that cowering. __meco (talk) 14:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I don't think this is quite notable enough for ITN, and it's a little stale now unfortunately. f o x 14:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I encourage you to go on Google News to ascertain that the coverage is worldwide and ongoing. __meco (talk) 14:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Was the story of the British teacher naming the teddy Muhammad put up? f o x 15:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The coverage is worldwide, yes, but so are many news items in the entertainment industry. Let's wait and see if this censorship actually causes something significant to happen, such as large scale protests, or drastic changes in government policies/laws regarding TV broadcasts. If it does nothing but incite a few loud mouths to talk louder, sorry, oppose. --PFHLai (talk) 15:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious Oppose Just a simple case of censorship to respect another religions sentiments. Not a major event by any standards. --yousaf465 15:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose for some obvious reasons stated above. although not for ITN, it is a major story on more moral standard... with issues against censorship, terrorism etc we will probably hear about this for long time. but wikipedia does not need to deal with that nor should it. -- Ashish-g55 01:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A case of censorship on a TV show is not that notable in the grand scheme of things. HonouraryMix (talk) 14:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 24

ITN candidates for April 24

April 2010 tornado outbreak

  • 11 deaths confirmed so far, with much damage being reported in the deep south. As of 545pm Central time, over 40 tornadoes have been reported April 24th alone. Ks0stm (TCG) 00:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I might support, but I don;t know much about tornado seasons. How uncommon is this for the US? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 00:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For April, pretty uncommon; for the sometime during the season, not all that uncommon. That said, I support a blurb for the April 24 outbreak which has killed at least 9 people. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I'll support this given that it seems out of the ordinary. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 00:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is 9 a particularly large death toll for a tornado? --candlewicke 00:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. There will be worse outbreaks over the summer. Weak oppose. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If our list is accurate this will be the most fatalities from a US tornado since May 2008. Granted 2009 was a particularly light year for tornadoes. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. If we post this, we must be clear as to why it is unusual. Tornados are not uncommon, and they can be deadly: why is this outbreak different from the others? Physchim62(talk) 00:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because 11 deaths and over 90 reported tornadoes within 3 days is unusual, especially in April. The last outbreak of this size was the February 2009 tornado outbreak in terms of deaths and the May 2009 derecho series in terms of number of tornadoes. Ks0stm(TCG) 01:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Last year doesn't make it seem particularly unusual... We would not normally post a story along the lines of "building collapses, 10 people killed" or "10 people killed on the roads of Somecountry yesterday": both are (sadly) far too common. Physchim62(talk) 01:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the United States averages less than 100 deaths a year from tornadoes since 1998, this could very well account for a tenth or more of the tornado deaths in the United States this year. Ks0stm(TCG) 02:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Could or will beyond any doubt? --candlewicke 02:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely will, but it's still possible that it won't as we don't know how the rest of the season will turn out. If you go by the statistical average for the last ten years, it's almost for sure that it will. Ks0stm (TCG) 02:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This has been the worst severe weather of the year thus far in the US, and this outbreak isn't even over! Truthsort (talk) 04:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is a major outbreak and the biggest one this year (even bigger than the unusual one in January)! How about "Large tornadoes strike Yazoo City and Durant during a tornado outbreak, killing at least 11 people and causing extensive damage."? ~AH1(TCU) 14:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there will be worse outbreaks later in the summer. Posting an item in April because it is the biggest one of the year so far makes no sense. --PlasmaTwa2 20:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update one of the tornadoes has been preliminary rated as EF4 with a phenomenal 149 mile long path. Ks0stm(TCG) 01:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That definitely makes the event more unusual, but I already voted support once. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

World Chess Championship 2010

moved to Wikipedia:In the news/Future events/2010#May 12

Death of Peter Porter

Peter Porter in 2007

He is "recognised as one of the best poets of the second half of the 20th century" The Independent. "One of the finest poets of our time [...] In Australia he was considered English, and in England he was considered Australian" The Guardian. He won several awards including the Whitbread prize for poetry (1988), the Queen's Gold Medal for Poetry and the Forward Poetry Prize (2002) plus many more. He was also shortlisted for the T. S. Eliot Prize. Better Than God was published last year and The Rest on the Flight: Selected Poems is forthcoming so he was still active at the time of his death and beyond it. Obituary in The Daily Telegraph. --candlewicke 01:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but the article is a stub. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 01:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - notability really exist - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 06:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wikireader41 (talk) 13:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I admit a complete lack of knowledge with the subject matter, bit the fact the the majority of his article is just a list troubles me a bit as it suggests no one cared enough to write about him. Random89 16:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - ordinary death of someone is not exceptionally notable. As near as I can tell, the death appears to have attracted very little international attention. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This seems staggeringly non-notable.--WaltCip (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. WizardmanOperation Big Bear 20:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
CBC, The Sydney Morning Herald --candlewicke 00:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lotfi Raissi

Airline pilot Lotfi Raissi, falsely accused of being involved in the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001, wins his legal battle for compensation from the British government after "nine years of hell". (BBC) (The Guardian) (The Age) (The Scotsman) --candlewicke 01:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. From what I gather, this was pretty much inevitable. The real story would have been his release imho. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 01:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:BLP if nothing else. "Man accused of worst crime of 21st century, not guilty, given compensation" isn't the kind of story I want on the main page. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per HJM--Wikireader41 (talk) 13:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 23

ITN candidates for April 23

80 deaths in Uganda

Waragi from Uganda
We only have 100 words of prose, with only 1 bare URL as a reference. Let's wait and allow the article to grow a bit. Stubby pages should be avoided. Also, pls add to P:CE first, per Wikipedia:In the news#Procedural. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, however I promise I'll reconsider if the article is sufficiently improved. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 18:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I do not believe the incident is notable enough for an article. The material would be better merged into waragi then left as a stand-alone article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After a look for references, I have to say I agree this needs to be merged. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I added it to the portal yesterday but didn't expect anyone to notice it. Now I have found the time to update it. 80 people die from blindness and multiple organ failure after drinking waragi (pictured) in Kabale. --candlewicke 02:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is a rather unusual wine safety incident. ~AH1(TCU) 14:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is it going to be posted before time runs out? --candlewicke 18:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus still is pretty weak, IMO. And the page is awfully short for a stand-alone article, especially one featured on the main page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Concur as to the quality of the article- it only has 4 lines of prose- as to the consensus, I'll support if/when it's improved if that helps. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 19:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If this is posted (I'm neutral), I think the blub should specify that it is methanol poisoning that killed the people: it is a well known hazard of drinking home-made spirits. Physchim62 (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article has a lot more than four lines of prose. The update alone is twice that. --candlewicke 20:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to 2010 Uganda mass poisoning, which is the article mentioned in the nomination. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 20:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the bold article must be this. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say it must be, but it would make sense. It still needs work, though, before it's even worth linking to it from ITN never mind bolding it. Two paragraphs of well sourced prose and a little bit of a lead section would do nicely. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I still see no justification for the existence of 2010 Uganda mass poisoning, so I am against linking to it. If there is any unique material there it should be merged to waragi and redirected. (I have started a merge discussion.) I am neutral on an update linking only to waragi. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article waragi has been updated sufficiently for some time now. Waragi can be the bold article as mentioned above. A separate article is not really necessary. --candlewicke 23:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that waragi is sufficiently updated. I do not object to it making ITN. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Not sure about the picture though. Is that a specific brand of waragi in that picture? It's okay for an article about waragi in general (with the poison case as just a section), but we don't want to inadvertently suggest that that's the poisonous waragi right there. -- tariqabjotu 00:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Police officers killed in shoot-out

Seven people, including six police officers and a civilian, are killed and two other officers are injured in a shoot-out with suspected gang hitmen. (BBC) (CNN) (The New York Times) I don't know if there is an article yet but one usually appears. --candlewicke 00:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican drug violence is, sadly, hardly news any more. Oppose unless a pretty good article appears, and then I'd just commit to reconsidering. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona passes America's strictest immigration bill

This is currently the lead story on Google News and Yahoo News and the websites of The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and L.A. Times and is "above the fold" at CNN.com. Apparently the law will require immigrants (presumably only noncitizens) to carry immigration documents with them and allows authorities to make the immigrants produce them on demand -- the first time people in the U.S. will have to carry identification documents by law. It will also "require police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants" according to the article on Gov. Jan Brewer. Although a state law, this is clearly a national story; President Obama criticized the law, which is very unusual for state legislation.

Yes, I know we rejected a Brazilian state law story below, but that was not really "in the news" in the English-speaking world.

Unfortunately, there is no article on the law yet, as far as I know. There are a few paragraphs about it in the Brewer article. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also the lead story in Reforma of Mexico City, La Jornada of Mexico City, etc. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This does not appear to be an unusual level of restriction on immigration, and is rather local in scope. Plus there's no article. Modest Geniustalk 22:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give you the "no article" (yet) point, but if it was "not ... unusual," do you think it would be the lead story of every major paper in the country? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. Are the actions of a single American state of 6 million people more important than a single Brazilian state of 20 million people (Toyota Corolla discussion below)? I'm unconvinced, particularly due to the very large difference in population, and disagree that being in the English-speaking world is more important (if that is the case the majority of ITNs would be from a very small part of the world). There is already an explosion on the Main Page so the U.S. is being represented at the moment. Considering Mexico borders this part of the United States and the topic is immigration I'm not fully certain if this featuring in the Mexican media increases its importance. --candlewicke 23:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it's a fair comparison, because the immigration law is a major national story in two countries, and I don't know how much media attention the Toyota story got even from the national media in Brazil. Even if we were to compare apples and apples, we have to consider that 52.9% of English Wikipedia users are in the U.S. and 0.6% are in Brazil. That doesn't mean Brazilian items should never be on ITN or that 53% of ITN items should be from the U.S., but it does indicate that we don't have to treat a U.S. item like a Brazilian item. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose it's a state law that has no impact on U.S. policy. Also, it may not withstand its first legal challenges.Shinerunner (talk) 23:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose State law- though in a border state. (If Rhode Island had passed this law, it wouldn't be making this much news) We've seen this before; the legal challenges are surely being written as we discuss this, some court will accept it, and by the time it's either struck down or enforced, everyone not involved will have forgotten. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Shinerunner - no significant effect on U.S. federal policy.--WaltCip (talk) 04:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know that this has previously been suggested and rejected on account of only being a state issue, but the reaction to the law is gaining momentum. It has been the one of the top 3 stories on google News with over 3000 sources and gaining [26] . It has garnered strong reactions from President Obama and the hispanic community among many others, with the climate bill currently being delayed [27] to make room for Immigration discussion. I have added to Wikipedia article about the law with relevant information in Arizona SB1070. I think the story deserves another consideration, since it has taken the center stage nationally and might lead to further important developments. Thank you.--Theo10011 (talk) 12:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tip: You may want to cite 10 news articles from at least ten countries from all six inhabited continents, then we'll see... –Howard the Duck
What? really? is the Austrian presidential election suggested above more relevant, are there 3000 stories linking to it. Anyway, here are some relevant News articles CNN BBC New York Times AP Sydney Morning Herald Vancouver sun (not all six continents but close).--Theo10011 (talk) 13:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

23 April 2010 Baghdad bombings

Support. --candlewicke 19:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: article is currently 1 sentence long, so more text will be needed before it is mainpage ready. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'll have a go at expanding the article now. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 19:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't think this deserves ITN. Bombings in Iraq occur frequently with death tolls in multiple dozens. They have very little political impact, except of course cumulatively. __meco (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't necessarily disagree with Meco, but 58 fatalities seems fairly high. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 22:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support 69 is a lot of deaths in one day. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Several bombs detonated in several areas. The article describes at least five bombs, though there seem to have been several more as well. --candlewicke 23:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - notable event.--Avala (talk) 16:30, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The story is probably ITN-worthy, but the wikiarticle, merely with <120 words of prose, needs some beefing up before being showcased on MainPage. Stubby pages should be avoided. --PFHLai (talk) 18:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree - the article is still too short for my tastes. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to expand the first thing in the morning (approx 8 hours from now) to make it ITN ready if no one else steps up in the mean time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is ready to go now. Note that it has been renamed April 2010 Baghdad bombings since the violence continued on the 24th. Death toll stands at 72 for Friday's attacks plus 13 on Saturday. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted -- tariqabjotu 18:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

World's first Full Face transplant

BBC. Team of 30 doctors and 22 hour operation is what it took to do a total face transplant. pretty encyclopedic if u ask me. Will add to article in a bit. -- Ashish-g55 18:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is at least one previous claimant to "first full face transplant". Thus if this goes up, which I support given that the article is sufficiently updated, I would prefer it use the wording "most comprehensive face transplant to date". Article will, at minimum, need a proper lead in addition to the update. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Calling it the "most comprehensive face transplant to date" doesn't really make it sound like news. Is there a way to figure out if this one truely is the world's first full? --PlasmaTwa2 00:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greek government seeks activation of EU/IMF bailout

The Prime Minister of Greece requests activation of a €45 billion (US$61 billion) EU/IMF bailout in response to a continued fiscal crisis. --RA (talk) 10:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Came here to nominate myself... Last time it was discussed people said wait until it is accepted; it has been accepted now. Could use a larger update though. --ThaddeusB (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't post 2010 European sovereign debt crisis in its current state. The lead is far too long and the references are a mix of inline refs and raw external links - Dumelow (talk) 13:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's an awful article from a MOS perspective. I actually thought this subject would have an article of its own by now. Maybe Economy_of_Greece#2010_debt_crisis? I've added the same text I added to the sovereign debt article. --RA (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would have thought it would have its own article as well. I agree that Economy_of_Greece#2010_debt_crisis is a better link at current. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've amended the suggestion text above. --RA (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the economy of greece link Modest Genius talk 22:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the update is a little weak. -- tariqabjotu 22:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

X-37B launched

The prototype of a military orbital space plane, the X-37B, is launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. Hektor (talk) 03:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support with modifications, event is WP:ITN/R and it seems like quite a lot of people are interested in this one. I think the text should include a link to X-37B OTV-1, which is the main article for this mission. How about An Atlas V rocket launches a prototype military orbital space plane, the X-37B on its maiden flight." --GW 10:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support with GW's modified blurb. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, maiden flight of a significant new spacecraft Modest Genius talk 22:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Corolla outlawed

Toyota Corolla

"One of Toyota's most popular cars". An acceleration problem was "putting in danger the lives of occupants". BBC. --candlewicke 01:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - the actions of a single Brazilian state aren't ITN worthy. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support that state, Minas Gerais, has about 20,000,000 residents, or more than 55 or so countries. And the Corolla is the world's most popular car. ~DC Talk To Me 03:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Just because the state has a huge human population does not mean every news from its local newspaper would go up on ITN. How many of the state residents already own or plan to buy Corolla? Does this have any implications on Brazil-Japanese relations? We need to judge the news based on its impact. --GPPande 07:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The recalls, etc., are ITN worthy (and an ITN post already appeared in January), but I'd say this is only a minor addendum to Toyota's problems and not by itself worthy of another post. Dragons flight (talk) 07:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We've already posted the major events in this saga. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 22

ITN candidates for April 22

Grenade attack in Thailand

Thai protests have turned violent again as tensions continue to rise: [28] Top story on BBC, #2 on Google News currently.

Article updated. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 17:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concur- it's about time we put these ongoing incidents up, and this is as good a time as any. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The situation in Bangkok evolves so fast the window for this item has expired. __meco (talk) 20:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted -- tariqabjotu 22:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now, that was a strange order of events. Is this your idea of a consensus adequate to post an ITN item? __meco (talk) 09:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There were four supports and just one oppose. Further, your oppose seemed to be based on the fact that the event is no longer timely. I presumed that was in regards to the point about "rising tensions", which no longer, at least according to the article, appear to rising. So, I change the wording to a "peak" in tensions, which does not necessarily indicate that the peak is still continuing. But, to answer your question, yes, it is my idea of adequate consensus for ITN, which requires that we address items within a relatively short period of time, unless no consensus is clear. -- tariqabjotu 13:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SDO First Light

Is this worth putting up. Solar Dynamics Observatory released some of the most detailed first pictures of sun with a massive explosion. we will also have the image for free since its by NASA. The story is being reported widely and internationally Star CNN NAT Geo CNET Australia Voice of Russia Scotsman etc. -- Ashish-g55 17:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, because we already posted the launch. Nice images though. Modest Genius talk 12:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan bans neon signs

Pakistan has banned neon signs and extended the official weekend in response to growing Energy crisis(BBC)--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:42, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As worded, that sounds like a DYK hook... Is the serious side of this updated anywhere? --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have started an article on Pakistan national energy policy which can be used.--Wikireader41 (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now there's a little more context, the background story here looks interesting. A country in such an energy crisis that it's banning neon signs and extending the weekend, it could be ITN-worthy. I'm relucatant to decalre support until the article is developed a little, though. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 23:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sounds rather serious. --candlewicke 01:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Some of the most significant measures have been announced in this meeting.--yousaf465 04:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Even as humorous as the neon sign angle may sound, the proportions of the Pakistani energy crisis is now so dire it is surely bordering on threatening the political stability of the country. Perhaps we should unfocus the neon sign ban to make this look less like an DYK item? __meco (talk) 07:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well not that serious that it will result in political unstability, atmost it will result in a resignation of Water and Power minster. Pakistanis are really generous in such cases. --yousaf465 07:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment i think the focus on neon signs shows the gravity of the situation and seriousness of the resolve. how about this blurb,

Pakistan announces new Energy policy which extends the official weekend and bans neon signs to conserve electricity in face of a growing Energy crisis.--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it can be shortened by skipping the phrase "to conserve electricity." I don't think anything would be lost. But it won't go up unless more people voice their support.. __meco (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Three supports plus the nominator, one possible support, no opposes at all at this stage. --candlewicke 19:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it certainly should have been posted ahead of the grenade attack in Thailand... __meco (talk) 09:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, regardless of anything to do with Thailand - Dumelow (talk) 09:56, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belgium

Breaking news: the Belgian government has fallen. Obvious ITN, I suppose. 94.212.31.237 (talk) 10:17, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this is a joke and just a reference to the Burqa banning. f o x 10:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a joke. The Open VLD announced a few minutes ago that it will leave the government. Prime Minister Yves Leterme has just arrived at the royal palace, presumably to tender the resignation of the cabinet. 94.212.31.237 (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It will need an article, anyway. f o x 10:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't this be on ITN/R?? ;) Physchim62(talk) 11:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes this is going to be true, Burqa is doing it's magic. Google news--yousaf465 13:24, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The king hasn't accepted the resignation. So let's wait and see what happens. Modest Geniustalk 14:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if resignation accepted. Wikireader41 (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support regardless of whether the resignation is accepted. It is news in either case. Thuetalk 20:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if the resignation isn't accepted, then a new government will be formed, which would also be ITN/R material: I think we need to wait and see what happens for the moment. I don't see an article, which should be at Leterme II Government under the normal naming system for Belgian government articles. Physchim62 (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless the resignation is accepted If the resignation isn't accepted, he stays PM, so not enough of a grand noteworthy changes happens. However, if the resignation is accepted, obviously it should go up. On an aside, am I the only one who thinks Leterme's making a habit of offering his resignation? This is like his 5th or something over the course of his two terms in office. HonouraryMix (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This Headlines say Belgian government collapses after party quits coalition.--yousaf465 07:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"[The Open VLD] leaves a little opening for negotiation" Le Soir Physchim62 (talk) 08:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait till there's actual, significant change. Political posturing shouldn't be on ITN, imho. --PFHLai (talk) 18:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 21

ITN candidates for April 21

Black Sea Fleet

Viktor Yanukovych and Dmitry Medvedev agree to extend by a further 25 years (until 2042) the lease between Kiev and Moscow that allows Russia's Black Sea Fleet to be stationed in Ukraine. (BBC) (The Daily Telegraph) (The Guardian) --candlewicke 22:38, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, significant regional agreement. Is there an article with an update anywhere? Modest Geniustalk 23:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support As per Modest Genius.--yousaf465 07:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The agreement still needs to be ratified but in principle I support. The updates are there. --Tone 07:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't this already expected? I don't see a big deal here. This is just a renewal of lease. Its not closing an existing military base or opening a new one which are typically associated with some dramatic political events. --GPPande 08:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This settles, at least apparently, a very contentious issue with ramifications for the global balance of power. __meco (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Using Russia–Ukraine_gas_disputes#2010_gas_agreement as the target article - Dumelow (talk) 11:10, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. I switched it to Black Sea Fleet, whilst the other article covers the agreement in more detail it is tagged for several issues - Dumelow (talk) 11:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I left the image of Samaranch up for the time being as he has been up for less than 24 hours. We can switch to Yanukovych later if needed - Dumelow (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per GPPande. This is just a preservation of the status quo.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Arab smoking ban

Syria becomes the first Arab state to implement a ban on smoking in public places. "A country where people light up even in hospitals". --candlewicke 21:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sad news, these smoking bans have always seemed over-the-top to me. But support. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:03, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bahrain does not count? According to List of smoking bans, they banned smoking in 2008. Somehow, I oppose here as there are almost 100 countries on the list already. --Tone 22:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is common of course but does the first Arab state count for anything? I don't know about Bahrain but the source says Syria is the first. --candlewicke 22:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't see why Syria's smoking ban is more of an ITN item than, say, Florida's. "First in the Arab world" doesn't do it for me. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as cruft. Modest Geniustalk 23:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose interesting, sure, but not major news. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Microbial ecosystem living in toxic asphalt lake

discovery that life lives in the liquid asphalt lake Pitch Lake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.17.112 (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link? Article? Any information at all? Modest Genius talk 23:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article is just a preprint at the moment, it needs to be accepted before ITN can cover it. Physchim62 (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

End of Lorena Ochoa

Lorena Ochoa

This is news worldwide. She will be "greatly missed". The Globe and Mail article describes her as "probably the best-known athlete in Mexico who is not a soccer player". She has been number one for three years and is 28 a very young age for this to happen? --candlewicke 15:44, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. She's just retiring. Athletes retire all the time. I mean, they all have to eventually. --Smashvilletalk 16:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • She's young, very young. I was in New York last September for Kim Clijsters who did the same thing and returned to win the 2nd biggest prize in Tennis, and Justine Henin almost did it in Melbourne this year. While surprising news, if she's anything like the Belgian tennis players, she'll be back. Either way, it's surprising, not ITN significant. Oppose Bradjamesbrown (talk)
  • Well, we all have to die eventually too but that doesn't stop the deaths of relatively old people appearing on ITN... --candlewicke 16:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Death is final; retiring at 28 is anything but. How many times did Michael Jordan "retire"? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or Brett Favre?--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Retiring as the number one ranked player is certainly surprising, though it does happen more with women athletes it seems. I'd probably oppose. --Johnsemlak (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not really that surprising, considering that she took over the ranking because the previous #1 retired. And they're the only two in the four-year history of women's golf rankings. --Smashvilletalk 19:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The only time I would support the retirement of an athlete would be if they were clearly the best that had ever played their sport (eg Wayne Gretsky). Modest Genius talk 20:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't believe an athlete's retirement is signifcant enough for this. Truthsort (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I thought she had died the way this is worded! Definitely not a big enough event for ITN. f o x 10:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lorena Ochoa#Retirement has just one sentence! C'mon, guys. Where's the wiki-update/expansion? --PFHLai (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Antonio Samaranch

  • The former president of IOC died. I believe he qualifies for ITN. --Tone 12:03, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Naturally support - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. He effectively created the mega-Olympics as we know them now. Also a somewhat controversial figure (especially here in Catalonia, although he is being buried with all the due honours), which makes the biography that much more interesting to read! Physchim62(talk) 12:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible support, as per Physchim--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Tone. --GPPande 14:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
came here to nominate... obvious support -- Ashish-g55 14:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Obviously an important figure in his field, big news. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 14:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, apparently this item has support. But I can't post as long as the update is one line long and I don't feel comfortable with NPOV tag in the criticism section. When this is fixed, I'm ready to post. --Tone 14:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The tag looks like drive-by tagging to me rather than a fundamental issue. I'll work on the update. hopefully I'll have it ready to post before too long. Apologies to Ashish, btw, it must have been an edit conflict. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 14:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support. 1980 - 2001 is a long time to be at the top of anything. --candlewicke 15:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting now the article is fixed. --Tone 15:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gulf of Mexico oil platform explosion

Are exploding oil rigs sufficiently dramatic for ITN? BBC News At least 11 missing for the moment, and an unknown number of injured. Physchim62 (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support if the incident has any effects on crude oil supply. --GPPande 14:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but wait until the status of those 11 is clarified a little. f o x 10:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The rig sunk today at 10:21 a.m. CDT. Beagel (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This was a front-page story in the Wall Street Journal today -- "Blast Jolts Oil World" was the headline. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support rare event, decent article, and dramatic, freely-licensed picture. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dorothy Height

Comment: article is in only fair condition with many {{fact}} tags. Needs some serious work before being worthy of consideration. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I think death at 98 is expected. Was she active at the time of death also needs to be considered. --GPPande 14:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lankan parliamentary election, 2010

Support. --candlewicke 00:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wikireader41 (talk) 02:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not significant, especially amongst our readers. Also note, that while Parliament chooses a Prime Minister, he isn't the head of government. ~DCTalk To Me 03:44, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
just wondering... how did you reach the conclusion that this news isnt significant, especially amongst our readers... -- Ashish-g55 04:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Common sense, get some. And I'd support if the PM were the head of government, but he's not (the President is). ~DCTalk To Me 04:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support rules say so WP:ITNR.--yousaf465 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As someone who comes from a country with a parliamentary system I can fully state that even though a PM leads and represents his party, in a parliamentary election you are voting to elect a political party into power and not one person. Thus, in a parliamentary election the important outcome is not who is the PM, but rather which party has won a majority of seats in parliament and, as such, holds the majority of power --Daviessimo (talk) 07:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITNR. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:45, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support while DC had a point in that the President of Sri Lanka is the head of government and has a high level of executive power, more even then the French system let alone Westminster-style government, however the Parliament of Sri Lanka is still the legislative body and still serves an important role. We do after all put up the US mid term elections. Nil Einne (talk) 11:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 20

ITN candidates for April 20

Eyjafjallajökull

Suggesting an update of current blurb to bump it back up to the top since it is still the number 1 or number 2 story most places, and will otherwise fall off ITN soon:

--ThaddeusB (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think by the time it falls of ITN, its time will have come. The fact that the event is, for the most part, over is not a story in itself. -- tariqabjotu 16:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bump __meco (talk) 18:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the bumping. f o x 18:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I have to agree with Tariq, it's had plenty of time on ITN, it's time we let it drop off. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 19:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Tariq and HJ; also, there's no guarantee that the problems won't return, so bumping just at the moment when things are getting back to normal seems counterproductive. Bumping of ITN stories rarely gets any more hits for the underlying articles. Physchim62 (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless something majorly new happens. Just let this drop off as normal. This is big news for those (like me) who got stuck waiting for airports to reopen, but otherwise the story has happened. Modest Genius talk 20:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Cyprus presidential election, 2010

The election will likely be between Mehmet Ali Talat, who is involved in reconciliation talks with the Cypriot government and Derviş Eroğlu who takes a more hard line approach - Dumelow (talk) 23:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The results are in and Derviş Eroğlu has won without the need for a run off. The article needs some work though - Dumelow (talk) 10:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't supported the general elections of 'partially recognized' states before but they have been posted so posting this (assuming the article is updated) would follow precedent. That said I oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When in past, election results of a partially recognized states were posted? I think posting results from countries like Taiwan should be fine. --GPPande 11:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's fairly normal (if the article meets the standards). I'll dig out some past examples for you. Physchim62 (talk) 12:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We did the Northern Cyprus parliamentary election, 2009 (posted 2009-04-21), for example. We also do "elections" that are such in name only, see North Korean parliamentary election, 2009 (among others). Physchim62 (talk) 12:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. "Northern Cyprus" isn't even partially recognised- nobody recognises it except Turkey and even they only recognise it as de facto independent. In addition, the article is a bit of a state. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 13:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This isn't the Republic of China, which the vast majority "recognises" in practice though not officially, or the Republic of Kosovo which is recognised by ~67 countries (counting the ROC), including most of the EU, Canada, the US, Australia, and Japan. If Turkey ever shut off the flow of support, Northern Cyprus would collapse in a month. And, as HJ mentions, the article is currently tagged for cleanup. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, provided that the future of the island depends quite a bit on who is elected, this is of international importance nevertheless (regardless on the recognition status). Still, the article needs to be in good shape, otherwise there's no point in discussing. --Tone 13:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Because: (i) don't really want to judge it on how much it is recognised, (ii) it is happening, (iii) Northern Cyprus has been posted before. --candlewicke 13:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Just as candlewicke said we are supporting it just because it is happening. We don't need to get in this recognition debate. We have already seen enough of it in Iran nuclear summit, where some people went on to express their personal opinion, which was certainly not required. It look like more of Iran bashing than comments on ITN candidate. So I think we should treat this one as a normal ITN item.--yousaf465 13:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with that, but, from my limited understanding "Northern Cyprus" isn't a country, a sovereign state or anything else. It has no official status and even Turkey only recognise it as part of Turkey on paper. This is about as significant as an election for the trustees of the local parish church, but at least the latter is recognised by someone! HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 14:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - we posted the results of the 2009 Abkhazian presidential election, which is similar in being a barely recognised state. However, the article needs a fair bit of work --Daviessimo (talk) 15:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not expert on these politics but our article states clearly that Northern Cyprus is recognized by Turkey as an independent state, not part of Turkey. It also states that N. Cyprus gained de facto independence from Cyprus. Seems to be at least as 'partially recognized' as Abkhazia. --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support per Johnsemlak above. our article says its independent so saying otherwise isnt really upto us. If the reasoning for oppose is that it is not independent then it should be discussed in the article discussion itself. we should not reject it based on our POV. -- Ashish-g55 17:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, if we start adding in elections for every state only recognized by a couple countries, then that's all we'll be putting up ever. Oppose confirmed through bad state of article. WizardmanOperation Big Bear 19:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How many "countries" are there that aren't widely recognized? A dozen or so? I can't imagine its much more than that. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia lists 10 that aren't UN members (if you make it into the UN, you are generally widely recognized even if not universally). --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's not recognized. If me and my friends get together and vote me President, do I get on here too? ~DCTalk To Me 20:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have 265,099 friends? --candlewicke 00:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15868439, its not exactly like that... -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose dont think this is ITN worthy or of broad enough interest.Wikireader41 (talk) 21:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Doesn't quite have the recognition to get on the ITN. Truthsort (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CommentAs ThaddeusB mentioned Wikipedia lists 10, and we do feature elections from other partially recognized states such as China(I think this will raise some eyebrows but this is how it stands. Hopefully they are not linked to china-bashing.)--yousaf465 06:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair the vast majority of countries recognise China, whereas only Turkey recognises Northern Cyprus. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The PRC is also a UN member state. That's a completely different situation. A better comparison would be Taiwan. Taiwan is a fairly established de facto independent nation of over 20 million. That said, while it's population is small and it only is recognised by one nation, N Cyprus is fairly established as well having existed in its current state for over 30 years.Johnsemlak (talk) 19:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So do we feature elections from Taiwan.--yousaf465 07:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 19

ITN candidates for April 19

G20 meeting

G-20

On April 20 & 21, there is a meeting of the Labor and Employment Ministers of the G-20 at the Frances Perkins Building in Washington, D.C.

Death of Abu Ayyub al-Masri

Supposedly one of the top players, if not the top one, in al-Qaeda in Iraq, so this seems like a big deal. -- tariqabjotu 19:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

support. this was an important strike. Wikireader41 (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Al-Qaeda lieutenants are like roaches, one dies and there's always another to take his place. (I was reading an article about that phenomenon this weekend, but darned if I can remember where.) Unless they get the top dog, I don't see it as that significant. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support a minor but significant development for Al qaeda in Iraq, and please don't insult cockroaches. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 01:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Brad; unless it was the main guy I wouldn't consider it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Brad and Wizardman. I wouldn't support for an equivalent figure in the Iraqui armed forces, or the U.S. forces in Iraq either. Physchim62 (talk) 09:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose My god, at least 50 of these guys had to have been killed in the past decade. Nothing to see here. Truthsort (talk) 23:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Marathon

The Boston Marathon is the world's oldest marathon and one of the world's oldest annual sporting competitions.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support why not? Let's get some stuff not relating to funerals or volcanoes up there. ~DC Talk To Me 19:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a picture of the men's winner we can use here (and it's even from this marathon)! ~DC Talk To Me 19:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support probably the most prestigious marathon in non-Olympic years, and the win was in course record time. Article could use some expansion though. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suppport. Is it on ITN/R? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 22:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strangely, I don't see any athletics (track and field) events on INTR. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's because the biggest prize in those sports is the Olympics. But there may be a case for eg. the World Championships and the major marathons (not sure we can justify all the big five) Modest Genius talk 20:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just one more paragraph. Please? Pretty please? -- tariqabjotu 22:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to expand it w/in the next ~4 hours if no one else does. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded and ready for mainpage. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above .Wikireader41 (talk) 22:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sufficiently updated now. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota fine

Car maker Toyota has agreed to pay a record $16.4m (£10.7m) to US safety regulators following the recent safety concerns. The fine is the largest to ever be handed out by the US transportation department. (BBC) (Reuters) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support we've posted these stories before about Microsoft, now it's Toyota's turn. ~DC Talk To Me 15:42, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose since we already posted recalls. fines were to follow... and most likely since this was a global recall there will be fines from europe/japan too. -- Ashish-g55 15:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, because we never post stories relating to the same subject. That'd be like posting someone's death and his funeral. (On a non-sarcastic note, I think this story is especially newsworthy because the fine is the largest ever on an automaker. However, I'd say it'd been ITNable even if it weren't a record) ~DCTalk To Me 15:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - we didn't post the £250m + plus fines handed out to BAE Systems back in February by the Serious Fraud Office and the US Department of Justice, which kind of makes the figures in this instance seem rather small. That being said , Toyata continues to pop up in the news with ongoing problems (such as this), which means there is probably continuing interest in the story. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I'm not sure why that didn't get posted, or even attract much discussion. But one mistake shouldn't lead to another. And as you said, there is definitely interest in the story. ~DC Talk To Me 17:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide of Edwin Valero

Venezuelan boxer, had a record of 27-0-0 with 27 KOs, 19 in the first round. –Howard the Duck 12:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support sad story. Former world champion. Getting a good amount of coverage in the US (especially for boxing), and I can imagine it's getting big coverage across South America. ~DC Talk To Me 14:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if article is better sourced. Death is of an exceptional nature and is drawing international coverage. The murder allegations and suicide are well referenced, but the material about his boxing career (most of the article) is not. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the article is still tagged for weasel words and needs a tidy. If fixed I would probably support --Daviessimo (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reminds me of the 2009 suicide of German footballer Robert Enke which didn't get posted, and which I opposed, though I'd say that was a close one or me. By comparison, this suicide is a bit more notable with the murder allegations. Also he was a world title holder. Weak support when article is fixed. --Johnsemlak (talk) 19:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -- tariqabjotu 22:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Absolutely does not pass the death criteria at WP:ITN. In no way is he a "very important figure" and the short article is nowhere near B-class. Reywas92Talk 00:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Boxing with its rigging and choosing of who to fight etc, and 4-5 different rival leagues, means that a guy can be lower than the top 3-4 in his event and be "world champion". Are we going to include a guy who came fourth in some event at the World Champs in swimming in athletics once? If this guy was good he would have beat up every one else and unified all these crowns, and then held them for some extra period of time by beating the others off. Sure he also seems to have killed his wife, but there are quite a few minor figures out there who have done murder suicides, or sometimes just committed suicide due to a custody dispute YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per YellowMonkey, nowhere near unique or all that important. The fragmented titles in boxing make a title like 'world champion' hard to assess. --Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unposted with all due respect to Tariqabjotu. There's not remotely consensus on this one yet. --Smashvilletalk 02:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, but I base decisions on what people have said at the time, not on what has not yet been said... -- tariqabjotu 03:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With respect to the death criteria, surely a world champion of his division would qualify as "a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such" One quibble I have wiht the article is I can't understand what title he held, if any, when he died. He was undefeated. Did he relinquish the WBC Lightweight title?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that other than the death date, the article barely even touches on the fact that he's dead. --Smashvilletalk 04:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Meh... this sucks. With the rate all of this is going, we can't post any boxing blurbs while we'd have at least one hurling blurb per year. Say goodbye to Mayweather-Mosley. Weeee. –Howard the Duck 03:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Johnsemlak Valero was targetting Pacquiao, who is in a heavier weight division, so he might have had to relinquish the title. –Howard the Duck 03:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I really couldn't figure out why he was up there in the first place. His blurb was even more uninformative as it just talked about his death and nothing else. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@HowardtheDuck--that info really should be in the article I think. There really should be an explanation of why he wasn't holding a title if he was 27-0 when he died. I do sympathize with the wish to get a few more boxing articles posted as it is a big sport, but the sport's disorganization that YellowMonkey referred to is a problem. As far as I can see at the time Valero was WBC champ Juan Manuel Márquez was the holder of the lightweight WBA and WBO titles. So he had been one of two 'World Champions' for a year which is fairly notable.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Vacating titles undefeated seems to be a "normal" occurrence for good enough boxers. Most of the time, no one's good enough for them at that weight division so they go the next division, which means they won't be able to defend their original titles in a specified number of days so they have to be vacated. For example, of Manny Pacquiao's seven division championships, he currently holds 2, defeated in 1 and vacated 4. –Howard the Duck 11:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the article to indicate that he had vacated the title in order to fight at the Light welterweight division. I do think this guy deserves another look. 27-0 is a good record, even if he was never an 'undisputed' champion of his division. Very few boxers finished their career undefeated. Plus the unusual nature of his death. In addition, his death will certainly have a present-day impact on boxing.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No offense, but I just don't think he was a significant figure even in boxing, much less globally. Truthsort (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For someone "not a significant figure", he sure gets ~4x as much press as the Sri Lankan prime minister designate, which of course made it to ITN. –Howard the Duck 13:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Sotigui Kouyaté

Found this on the front page of BBC News. Worked on The Mahabharata in 1983. Has won a major award at the Berlin International Film Festival and honoured by the French government at the Cannes Film Festival, both as recently as last year but is he important enough? --candlewicke 01:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I might support. The article isn't bad in that what's there appears to be well sourced, but it'll need an update and some cosmetic changes. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 13:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ordinary death of a person who is not exceptionally notable. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose death wasn't unexpected, nor was he one of the world's most well-known actors. ~DC Talk To Me 16:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per above.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Tomáš Špidlík

Špidlík
Špidlík
I'm inclined to oppose on this- he wasn't a hugely notable individual, his death doesn't seem unexpected and the article is a state. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 00:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, oppose though mainly based on the state of the article, barely updated and inadequately sourced. Even if updated, I'm not sure I'd get behind a Cardinal that wasn't a Bishop or a upper-level member of the Curia. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 18

ITN Candidates for April 18

World's youngest ruling monarch becomes of age

Xinhua. Also on CNN. --candlewicke 15:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Rukidi IV of Toro - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting but seems a bit trivial. He's a figurehead monarch so I'd say oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So's Queen Elizabeth II, I think a monarch coming of age/being coronated probably is worthy of posting on Wikipedia so Support. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Interesting, a little different and not an everyday event. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 16:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, sub-national entity, not a sovereign nation. Plus the general procedure is to post successions, but not coronations, inaugurations or 'coming of age's. Modest Geniustalk 16:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's an interesting story but I'll have to go with oppose per the comment above. --Tone 16:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
HM Queen Elizabeth II rules 16 nations, even if largely on paper. Rukidi doesn't even rule one. OpposeBradjamesbrown (talk) 17:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MG. --PlasmaTwa2 18:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per Modest Genius. __meco (talk) 21:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Mugabe

Several events going on in Zimbabwe for the 30th anniversary of independence. Robert Mugabe has for "the first time [...] issued an unprecedented appeal for an end to politically and racially driven violence in Zimbabwe". There is also the jailing of four women to coincide with the two-day holiday; they deny any wrongdoing. --candlewicke 15:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 30th anniversary itself is probably notable enough for ITN, but not the other stuff. However, since it's top of OTD, I'm going with oppose. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 15:12, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that anniversaries themselves are generally not posted on ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely more suited to OTD, where it is already listed. Modest Genius talk 16:12, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re-nominating Dow Live Earth Run for Water

Oppose Not really seeing the significance. Looks like an attempt to ride the success of three years ago, and doesn't look like the story is catching. This is the closest to significant coverage from a real press source I could find, and it holds Dow's feet to the fire over their record. The concerts were significant, this is much less so. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose at least in the Canadian news, there has been absolutely no talk about this and Toronto is one of the cities. Only time I ever hear about this is on itn. --PlasmaTwa2 18:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support THis is big event, the main world cities joined. The host cities are: Buenos Aires, Cape Town, Chicago, Hong Kong, Jimbaran, London, Los Angeles, Manchester, Melbourne, Mexico City, Milan, Minneapolis, New York, Lisboa, Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo, Singapore City, Stockholm, Toronto and Washington, D.C. --Dialogue.zh (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

President of Poland Burial

Late president of Poland Lech Kaczynski is buried at a state funeral at Wawel Cathedral in Kraków.[30][31]
Crnorizec (talk) 20:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Normally I'd oppose, but the death of almost 100 people, including over 40 notable people and an incumbent head of state is so rare that we can justify giving this prolonged coverage. Update should go in his article with a few lines in the plane crash article but it doesn't need its own. Mentioning the volcano is over-complicating things. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 21:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is an unusual case and there is the disruption being caused by the volcano, Merkel, Sarkozy, Obama, etc. which means it is even more unusual. Considering the amount of articles Wikipedia has on the volcano (there were at least three earlier) I think an article on the state funeral is no harm. This has been done before for other important people, Ronald Reagan, Omar Bongo, Pierre Trudeau, etc. --candlewicke 02:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --Wikireader41 (talk) 03:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Death and state funeral of Lech Kaczyński. --candlewicke 05:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That article's so full of tags it look's like a Macy's clearance sale. The article has been nominated twice for speedy deletion. Is there any way of quickly clearing that stuff up? Otherwise, Support, though I agree this must be a special case as we've already covered the President's death. Yes there were 40 other people on board but I believe none of them were notable enough for ITN mention individually. The problems with the funeral due to the volcanic activity are also interesting (is that in the article?).--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - The article is nominated for speedy deletion...so frustrating. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 06:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All either of you had to do was remove them - I couldn't because I created it and it told me not to but that others could and I could have done without any more complications which might occur as a result (even though the tags were added before I had any chance to expand it which was incredibly frustrating wondering how many times it was going to be nominated for speedy deletion before anyone did something about it). --candlewicke 14:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The volcano problems are mentioned in the "dignitaries" section - Merkel stuck in Italy, Australian Governor-General sranded in the United Arab Emirates, etc. --candlewicke 14:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I've removed the tags as not only has Candlewicke done a great job in fleshing the article out from when they were put on, but there is also a strong precedent for an article in this type of case. The user is question who added the tags waited a grand total of 2 minutes before putting the first tag on the article and at that time the article only contained two sections that linked to other articles. He could have done with waiting because it was also Candlewicke who did a great job with Death and state funeral of Omar Bongo --Daviessimo (talk) 07:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I'm really doubled minded over this. It's funeral of head of state, on the other hand should we post post it, as I think we have already posted the news about his plane crash.--yousaf465 07:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What hell we waiting for? Who will post? - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 10:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We're waiting for the funeral mass to start, which is at 12:00 UTC. Physchim62 (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

oppose its been posted before on the crash (as yousaf stated), no need to repost it. there are more pressing issues today — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihaas (talkcontribs)

Comment Once it's finished and the article has been translated to past tense, I believe this should be added. -- tariqabjotu 14:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've no problems with putting this story back up. This funeral and the volcano are the top news of the day. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They are buried next to Józef Piłsudski — TFA on 5 April 2010, five days before they died... --candlewicke 19:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regards. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 17

ITN candidates for April 17

April 2010 Kohat bombings

- Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 14:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Article is two sentences long. I might reconsider if it's improved sufficiently. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 16:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if someone does the work to make a respectable article. Oppose otherwise. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded. --candlewicke 20:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 41 people died and people are opposing this?? If someone in the United Sates gets a papercut, it makes the frontpage but this dosen't? -- 70.134.103.88 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article now says "the United Nations temporarily suspended operations" if that makes it more appealing. Still needs expansion though if it is to have a chance. --candlewicke 20:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
People are opposing based on the state of article, not the nature of the news. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded. Wikireader41 (talk) 20:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done what I can with this article; it's no longer a two sentence sub-stub, but information actually about this incident is rather sparse. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as article is now expanded. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 01:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support (struck my oppose above) but the article still needs work- there are only ten lines of prose, but it's certainly much better than it was thanks to Bradjamesbrown. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 01:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • checkY Posted - article is now sufficiently developed to hit main page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian nuclear summit

support Just as important as the Washington summit because it deals with the repercussions of the ongoing global nuclear debate and is in a sense a follow up to the START for a more global franchise as well as a build up to the upcoming NPT review conference. Should set the stage for another fight (a la the Copenhagen climate conference) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihaas (talkcontribs)

Support The Tehran International Conference on Disarmament and Non-Proliferation, 2010 has participation from both the IAEA and two Security Council members (China and Russia), so I believe we should present this item like we did with the US-sponsored conference. The conference starts today and lasts through tomorrow. __meco (talk) 10:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. If Iran declaring itself to be a nucelar state was not considered important enough for a listing, then clearly, neither is this. MickMacNee (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The two hardly compare. That was hot air rhetoric. This is an international conference with significant participation as mentioned above and in the article. __meco (talk) 15:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read the article. To dismiss what happened in that week as 'hot air rhetoric' is absolute nonsense. MickMacNee (talk) 15:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Lihaas and Meco. An international conference involving a large number of countries and a controversial topic. As relevant as the one in Washington. --candlewicke 20:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unlikely to be of any consequence.Wikireader41 (talk) 23:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Day one highlights include President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calling for the establishment of an independent body to oversee nuclear disarmament and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran, describing the United States as an "atomic criminal" and calling for the US to be expelled from the international nuclear system. This is now "in the news" from London to Sydney. Did anything like that happen in Washington? --candlewicke 02:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. but will support the article in ITN when US does get declared and 'atomic criminal' and expelled from the 'International Nuclear system'. that woud be big news ;-) Wikireader41 (talk) 02:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's difficult to comment on this one and maintain NPOV but I don't think this one is automatically as notable as the conference in Washington. Certainly Ahmadinejad making hyperbolic anti-US rhetoric is not notable. Oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But look at the context. It's an international conference with major powers participating. __meco (talk) 07:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think if two of the the big 5 NPT countries are attending this is notable. Also France and the UK were invited but chose not to attend. Its only the US who have been snubbed --Daviessimo (talk) 07:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Ahmadinejad's sarcastic bombast is nothing unexpected or newsworthy. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 07:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Large enough attendance. It might be controversial from western perspective but I think we can ignore that. Otherwise we will see more of this Talk:Main_Page#Euro.2FAmerican-centric_news. I think this will balance with the Washington conference and will absolve the ITN of any bias towards a particular region. Pakistan also sent a delegation if my info is correct. "Ahmadinejad's sarcastic bombast" Huh! I don't think this kind of comment was needed in ITn.--yousaf465 07:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
According to our article, the attendees were nearly all non-heads of state (compared with the Nuclear Security Summit which had dozens of heads of state and the heads of state of all the major players, except arguably Israel and Iran). The article is incomplete on this, admittedly, but it says, for example, that Russia, the biggest nuclear power to attend, sent only its deputy foreign minister.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ahmadinejad asking for "the establishment of an independent body to oversee nuclear disarmament" doesn't sound like a "sarcastic bombast". It is so easy to focus only on the negative. CNN also said he wrote a letter to Obama a few days ago (surprising quote from CNN: "The Iranian leader urged cooperation between the Islamic republic and America"), this too seems to have been lost in the rush. --candlewicke 13:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Of the nine countries where it is known who was sent to the conference, three are the heads of state. Although the US did not attend, this is obviously a major conference. Being in the international news shows its significance. ~AH1(TCU) 13:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How notable is this conference if we don't even know who has attended? At the very least the article is far from adequate.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit Conflict)

There are international conferences all the time -- International Postal Union, World Health Organization, Inter-Parliamentary Union, World Bank and ad hoc gatherings. They are usually only ITN-level newsworthy when heads of state attend or they lead to significant international agreements. I don't see this conference on the front page of the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Toronto Globe & Mail, Der Tagesspiegel, Der Tagesspiegel, Jerusalem Post, La Repubblica, El Pais, etc. The only newspaper at Today's Front Pages that carries the story on Page 1 that I've seen is an Iranian paper. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Response to Candlewicke) -- Sarcastic bombast is clearly what is. The Western countries are accusing Iran of building a nuclear bomb, so Ahmadinejad is smerkingly trying to turn the tables around and make an issue out of the Western countries' own nuclear weapons. Regardless of what you think of the issue of Iran's nuclear program, this is a propaganda exercise, nothing unexpected or ground-breaking. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't actually think anything of Iran any more than I think of the United States on this issue and don't see how it is clearly one way or the other. The statement "Regardless of what you think of the issue of Iran's nuclear program, this is a propaganda exercise, nothing unexpected or ground-breaking" is contradictory as you are asserting that your thought is correct and using terms such as "sarcastic bombast" and "propaganda" which are hardly helpful. It may or may not be propaganda but why is anything which is offensive to the United States considered in this way? And, depending on your point of view, perhaps similar announcements from the United States are considered propaganda by some people elsewhere? Is it really a big surprise that this is not on the front page of the American or Israeli newspapers? Do ITNs even come exclusively from the front pages of newspapers? The same goes for the multiple anonymous IPs who have tried repeatedly to wipe all mention of the conference from Portal:Current events. Why? It took place. Regardless of how the American or Iranian media are reporting on it, other countries are too - Australia, France, the United Kingdom, countries in the Middle East. (I say this with complete calmness, not in an aggressive way, just in case the mistake is made). I remain entirely indifferent, I do not see why the Washington one is more important, I do not see why this one is more important. But one was posted and there seems to be a lot of difficulty with the fact that the other even exists to the point where the whole thing is dimissed as sarcastic? That I don't understand. --candlewicke 20:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article still makes it sound like the event has not happened yet. This needs to be updated. (Also, copyediting is definitely in order...) -- tariqabjotu 20:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Candlewicke -- My views on this matter have nothing to do with whether the conference is "offensive to the United States." This simple is not a big-deal event; it is simply grandstanding. I'd feel the same way if it was a U.S. politician doing the same thing, and there's no way we'd have a similar item from Washington on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment totally inconsequential grandstanding by Iranian dictator. that we are discussing putting this conference in ITN is beyond me . we recently had BRIC conference and don't recall even that being considered[32]. WP should not become a soapbox for despots. Yousaf465 there have been plenty of stories from Pakistan in ITN recently. and you insist on bringing the issue of US/european centricity here.Wikireader41 (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Dictator"? "Despots"? Again, why the aggressive language? I'm not saying he's a saint but how can such hatred lead to an unbiased conclusion? BRIC could've gone up too if it had been nominated. What does this even have to do with Pakistan or how often Pakistan features on ITN? Pakistan and Iran are not the same. --candlewicke 23:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no fan of giving Ali Khamenei a lick of publicity, but apart from that, the article is lengthy, but almost completely out of date, and unusable in its present state. 24 nations attended, but only two of the permanent five showed- the Russian Federation and the PRC, both sending deputy ministers. The Washington summit drew four of the five heads of state of the P5 (Including Russia and the PRC), and a head of state or head of government from every continent. The Tehran conference isn't of the same level, all opinions on the current IRI regime aside. OpposeBradjamesbrown (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well as Candlewicke has already said Pakistan and Iran not the same, if you see they are from two different regions, Pakistan being in South East Asia , while Iran belong to Middle east. We could have considered the BRIC if somebody could have nominated it. For comparison of Washington and Iran conference, China only participated on Pakistan's request in Washington and Pakistan only participated due to some special reasons. So I think in terms of of importance both were similar. On funny side American President Obama didn't knew whether Pakistani Prime Minister or President was attending, he kept on calling our Prime minister, PresidentYousaf Raza Gillani. --yousaf465 04:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was commenting on the fact that both Iran and Pakistan are not in America/europe and Yousaf was implying that ITN is still America/euro centric !!!! Last time I checked Pakistan and Iran shared a long border and Baloch people will certainly disagree with Yousaf. cheers Wikireader41 (talk) 14:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No no not at all I never said or meant that. For more I will comment on the error page. Will link it with this.--yousaf465 06:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A common argument in favor of this item is that it is of equal importance with the Washington conference, which we posted. The simple fact is that it was attended by far fewer countries and by generally low level delegations and NO heads of states of major nuclear powers. Russia sent a mere deputy foreign minister and our article doesn't say who, if anyone, attended from China. That's in comparison with 50 some-odd heads of state who met at Washington. Even if that conference had no significant result, the meeting of so many heads of state is quite notable. I don't see how they Tehran conference had any particularly notable results. Not to mention the article is far from adequate as has been stated.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conference of no relevance except as a rant, and this is hardly like the holocaust review one YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 16

ITN candidates for April 16

Turkish Cypriot presidential election live televised debate

"All the president hopefuls" gather them together on "the last day of propaganda". It is a two-hour TV debate between seven candidates which will be broadcast live. --candlewicke 21:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as blatant sour grapes over the UK debate. Not the first in the country's history, no major international attention, domestic politics. Modest Geniustalk 00:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When is the next Kiribati presidential election? LOL –Howard the Duck 05:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Northern Cyprus[reply]
Oppose - I would also point out that the debate in question is for hopefuls in the Northern Cyprus presidential election, which as a sovereign state is only recognised by Turkey. We post the winners of elections in disputed territories and unrecognised states but there would be no way we could post a TV debate for a country that doesn't exist to 99% of the world. --Daviessimo (talk) 07:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Blatant sour grapes"? It's just a nomination. It is most likely a coincidence that this happened near the time of any UK debate. --candlewicke 19:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
COnsidering political debates were not even nominated before (I think the U.S. presidential debates were not even nominated), this nomination is rather odd... –Howard the Duck 02:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I've been in the position to nominate anything similar before. But I saw this when I was checking how far south the volcano was so I nominated it. --candlewicke 15:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even though I generally support partially recognised states, this just isn't all that significant. Maybe the winner, but not the debate. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goldman Sachs charged with fraud

Goldman sachs charged with fraud over Collateralized debt obligations by SEC.(Bloomberg.com). Wikireader41 (talk) 19:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose it's just a civil charge. If the Justice Department brings criminal charges, maybe. But then again we usually only post the outcome of legal proceedings. ~DCTalk To Me 20:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Civil or criminal, I might support the outcome of these proceedings if they were particularly notable (completely unexpected result, massive [ie enormous] fine etc) but not just the charge. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 20:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Something like $12 billion in market value was wiped out after the announcement when Goldman stock plunged. That's a big deal. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

oppose much bigger companies go up and down in value on daily basis. and nothing has even happened yet. getting charged by SEC doesnt mean much -- Ashish-g55 21:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the importance of this story is not in the fact that any charges were filed but the impact it had on worldwide stocks.This is not about one company.[33]Wikireader41 (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- There are few companies "much bigger" than Goldman Sachs (before today it was probably among the 50 biggest in the world and 25 biggest in the U.S. by market capitalization), and it's very rare for a company of that size to drop by a double-digit percentage in a single day. And as Wikireader41 points out, the impact was not limited to Goldman but had repercussions for many stocks. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
market losing value may have been noteworthy 2 years ago. but couple 100 points drop around the world isnt much anymore. there were even bigger drops on jan 22, then again feb 5... Goldman went down 12% even RIM had 15% drop in december. thats just how market works, there is a chain effect for every bad news. I will support if the fallout continues next week however. -- Ashish-g55 23:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The potential implications of this are huge and far reaching (for example its possible GS owe the British Taxpayer almost £1bn [34]). However, until any criminal charges are brought, this cannot and should not go up. Even then, there is a precedent to only list an item when a verdict is given and, as such, I will oppose for now... --Daviessimo (talk) 07:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just want to point out this is the lead story in today's New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune and Philadelphia Inquirer. But I suppose we know better than the entire American media what's important. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention The Economist, Business Week , Forbes, The Guardian, Dawn etc. everybody except WP had this story on their main page. I guess we are special here at WP and follow our own tune ;-)Wikireader41 (talk) 01:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support; Affected markets worldwide and widely reported internationally. Take the damn UK election debates story off of ITN. Colipon+(Talk) 01:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I think has been said above, the effects on the market would probably have been ITN-worthy before the recession and everything that went with it, but the news isn't so sensational (for want of a better word) in the light of it as it would have been before. I've no real objection to posting the results of the litigation, though. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 15:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Even though sentimental, the charges have caused the global markets see sharp downfall on Monday. I would say, put it up on ITN. --GPPande 14:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Un commission report

Un commission conducting the inquiry on Assassination of Benazir Bhutto has submitted it's report.--yousaf465 06:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If there is not 1 mention of the report on the page linked how can this go on the front page? Perhaps a section about the UN Report (not to mention Scotland Yard also issued their's today) can go over the details.
Support. This seems quite important and deserves at least to have further discussion. BBC - "could have been prevented", "bungled". --candlewicke 19:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when articles contain current information. ~AH1(TCU) 14:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

President of Kyrgyzstan

well, it helps to add the story to the above. never mind now, ive done it for you.
Strong support big event. in essence its another [unspoken] revolution that has been won — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihaas (talkcontribs)
Support: Change in leadership of the country qualifies ITN. --GPPande 13:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't the change in leadership happen a few weeks ago with the coup? Is it really news that he's finally resigned? The opposition has been in control of the state for some time now.--Chaser (talk) 13:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ya but there was nothing official. he refused to leave leadership before. either way support -- Ashish-g55 13:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, this is a significant development. The riots article and Bakiyev's article have been updated. Ready to post. What shall the blurb include? --Tone 14:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Official resignation of a head of state.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of popular protests in the north and capital of the country President Kurmanbek Bakiyev officially resigns after he leaves Kyrgyzstan for Kazakhstan. Is this ok? --Tone 18:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

President Kurmanbek Bakiyev officially resigns after he leaves Kyrgyzstan for Kazakhstan. would be good enough, we already posted the protests before i believe -- Ashish-g55 18:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I always like to have a second opinion before posting. --Tone 18:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support though already up so not needed. Formal change in head of state.Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 15

ITN candidates for April 15

Drought in China

This is an ongoing event, but so far has not been nominated for ITN. The dust storms occured mostly in March, but the drought in southwestern China continues, see 2010 China drought and dust storms. ~AH1(TCU) 00:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obama gives his much awaited speech on the future of NASA

Wikipedia article: Barack Obama space policy speech at Kennedy Space Center

"By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth, and a landing on Mars will follow." So not until mid-2030s just to get to orbit. Beyond that before any landing. Obama sets Mars goal for America, Obama Details Revised NASA Vision Qurq (talk) 20:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suppport. In the mid 2030s when NASA man has actually orbited Mars. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 20:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
there is no way to post this and not have it look sarcastic. Obama cancels Constellation program as it was too slow for an unplanned mission that may or may not achieve mars orbit in 25 years. yay -- Ashish-g55 20:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two decades to the day from Gagarin to the first flight of Columbia. 25 years for... what? I agree with Ashishg and HJ Mitchell, oppose for the next couple decades. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the plain reason that it's just too early to give any sort of concrete plans. Speech vs. shuttle launch, the shuttle will win. f o x 20:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - It's reminiscent of Kennedy, but without any real (financial) backing, I'm not sure whether this is newsworthy.--WaltCip (talk) 20:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A relatively minor policy speech. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 12:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GSLV failure

All orbital launches are technically WP:ITN/R items, and I feel that failures are particularly notable. This was also a fairly significant launch as it was the maiden flight of a new variant of the GSLV rocket, and the first Indian launch with an indigenous cryogenic upper stage. --GW 11:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't usually like space launches, but this failed launch seems to be a bit out of the ordinary. Physchim62 (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, for reasons above. Do we want to wait a little before posting to allow the Iceland story a little more time at the top, or shall I just go for it? f o x 17:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You can always post it below the Iceland story while the Iceland story is pictured, given that they refer to the same day. We seem to have free images for this story, so things will even them selves out in a few hours. Physchim62(talk) 17:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Posting. f o x 19:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK general election debates

The first debates for the British general election in history have taken place. It's extremely notable in the UK, and may have some notability in the US (to contrast with the presidential debate system that's taken place over the past fifty years) too. Sceptre (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support this first one only, and never again. The debate itself wasn't anything spectacular, but it's the first that has ever been held in the UK. No-one will remember the content, but its existence is historic. Modest Genius talk 22:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per MG, though- this one and this one only. This is unprecedented in the UK even if the debate itself was boring. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 23:01, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Its the first ever UK election debate featuring the failure of the frozen second stage leader in the UK's attempt to test a new variant of its government launch vehicle. MickMacNee (talk) 00:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too local. It's not as if the Uk invented the idea of televised debates in the run up to national elections. This "story" has all the elements of "Fog in channel; continent cut off" Physchim62(talk) 00:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I'm sorry. I forgot this page was the "In the news (in America)" page. Still, this is way more notable than a landslide in Italy, and possibly notable because we're relatively late to the game. It's not as if there's going to be a flood of UK politics stories in the nex month; there'll only be two at the maximum: this and the election result, and with the amount of rampant pro-US systemic bias on the main page, I'll be surprised if the election result gets a look in. Sceptre(talk) 00:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please try to avoid turning this into a nationalistic debate? —David Levy 01:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, let's. Physchim, to address your point, if we were discussing "three men go on TV and have an argument" I'd agree with you, but this is about the historic significance of the debate taking place, so we wouldn't be discussing this in 4/5 years. This is the first time in a British election that the three most likely candidates for prime minister have had a televised debate. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 01:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And my point is that such debates are standard election-campaign fodder in many other countries of the world. The UK hasn't had such debates before, as the sitting PM (from either of the largest parties) has always refused to take part; but the idea of the debates is not in itself novel. This "story" is just about the petty details of a national election campaign: the important result will come on 6 May. Physchim62(talk) 01:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that it's the first debate is precisely why it's ITN-worthy. I/We don't want it for all of them; just this one. And this actually did have a measurable effect on the election; the Lib Dems did get a massive boost from the debate and might push it into hung parliament territory. Sceptre (talk) 01:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it better than the American debates, I must confess. Anyway, off topic, I say support for this only: this was the very first PM debate ever held by Britain. Pretty notable. HonouraryMix (talk) 00:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Of interest to many users. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support on a one-off basis. My knowledge of UK politics is limited, but this appears to be a highly significant development. —David Levy 01:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Big bloody deal. The PM debates everyone in Parliament every Wednesday. So this is different now because it wasn't on a Wesnesday? Or was it on a Wednesday but not in Parliament? Or did it involve some people not in Parliament? God save the Queen. Nutmegger (talk) 01:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article could use a more substantial update. -- tariqabjotu 01:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for being the first ever, oppose if ever nominated again. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as this is the first time it has happened. And in many newspapers and TV stations the story seems to be forcing into second place the story about the entire UK airspace being closed and all planes grounded, which tells you how significant it is here. I do agree with the above comment that the article needs improving, however - it doesn't yet seem to have any detail on the debate last night. Sadly I'm at work so can't do anything about that myself till later on. SteveRwanda (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We report the results of elections, not the processes of electioneering. Voters in the UK do not get to vote for a Prime Minister, but only for a local MP. Such debates in most other countries would not be proposed: this is systemic bias. Also little added since the debate actually took place: one sentence and a handful of refs to a winner declared by unspecified criteria. Kevin McE (talk) 09:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They would certainly not be proposed if they were regular items. If they happened for the first time, after decades of vehement opposition to them, then sure. Modest Genius talk 16:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Kevin McE says it well. Would this even be posted if had happened in the United States? And nothing particularly notable seems to have happened. This is nowhere to be seen at http://news.bbc.co.uk/ where the focus is on air travel chaos, the Chinese earthquake and apparently the UK is selling its fourth largest city which sounds much more interesting... --candlewicke 13:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably the least accurate piece of analysis I have read in a long while, would Nixon/JFK have been posted, yes - it has not been off the UK rolling news channels and websites for 22 hours, nothing happended? - how about the unprecidented swing in the polls. Selling Liverpool? what are you talking about? Its the american owned football club that is up for sale - not the city. Utter garbage. Leaky Caldron 17:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For info, the stories you see on news.bbc.co.uk are ranked depending on where you are browsing from, so the rankings you see are not the same as others do. Modest Genius talk 16:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kevin McE refers to leaders debates as if countries begin them all the time, harldy the case. He refers to lack of update. That's hardly stopped much worse entries before. At least this was actually a nomination with an update. He says there are unspecified winning criteria. Blatantly wrong. Nothing particularly notable happened? The third party leader was declared the unanimous winner in the first ever television leaders debate of a country which has for 60 years been a two party state. The incumbent PM got his ass handed to him on a plate. The pretender to the throne universally dissappointed. One poll today puts the Lib Dems one point behind the Conservatives in the predicted election result, a 16% swing. Its unheard of. I could go on and list the ample evidence of international interest, but we all know that is a hit and miss way of securing a listing, although nobody knows why. This is ITN strikes again tbh. Stifle should have put some space factoid in it, guaranteed success that apparently. MickMacNee (talk) 14:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And I don't know what version you are looking at, but the debate is still the second top story on http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Front Page News. The first is on ITN already, so that was hardly a relevant comment. MickMacNee (talk) 14:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The only vaguely plausable part of his comment is that in the UK we don't elect PMs directly, but who is he trying to kid if he thinks people in the UK at a general election are actually voting for a particular MP and not a party, and by extension a PM. MickMacNee (talk) 14:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've no idea why MickMacNee has decided to try to launch an attack on my comments, rather than simply present a support comment for the proposal, but seeing that he has done so, I shall respond.
Kevin McE refers to leaders debates as if countries begin them all the time...: I didn't specifically refer to them at all, I simply said that this is a form of electioneering, and as such something that we don't report in ITN.
He refers to lack of update: incorrect, I commented on the paucity of the update. The quality of the updated content is described as one of the main grounds for evaluating candidates, and so I consider it entirely reasonable to draw attention to this shortcoming. If he has seen what he considers to have been bad examples of the application of this in the past, that is scarcely grounds for the inclusion of this item now.
He says there are unspecified winning criteria and I still see no evidence at the article, nor in the articles cited in the article, that define what "winning" such a debate means. A debate can be won if it is immediately followed by a vote among the audience as to who they most agree with, but the vote is not until 6 May.
the debate is still the second top story on http://news.bbc.co.uk/ Front Page News: media outlets in the country where the debate took place scarcely provide evidence against a charge of systemic bias.
who is he trying to kid if he thinks people in the UK at a general election are actually voting for a particular MP and not a party, and by extension a PM: this overlooks the 1/3 of UK voters, including all Northern Ireland voters, who routinely vote for a party who have no meaningful chance of providing the prime minister. Kevin McE (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. agree with Kevin and Candle, this would not be posted even for US (it would be a more controversial basically... lots of opposition and supports). Systemic bias exists for both US and UK (a little less for UK i guess), but its still better to avoid this. -- Ashish-g55 13:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It would have been posted in a heartbeat if it were the US. Yes that's a bad thing, but we all know nobody is about to address that at ITN/C anytime soon, especially not for dross like college football or domestic legislation. And in actual fact, hardly any countries hold leaders debates, so it is hardly an issue of excluding other coutries anyway. I am perfectly happy with 'first ever leaders debate' of any significant country becoming an ITN/R, as it appears are most people commenting. MickMacNee (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support has been in the top 2 rolling news stories on BBC since midnight. Would have been even greater had it not been for the volcano. Major error of judgement not to include this. Leaky Caldron 16:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support this is the first televised debate in the history of the UK? And it's not on the main page already? I don't think most debates are notable, but come on, this is an obvious one to post. ~DC Talk To Me 16:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted - the consensus is that the historic nature of the debate overrides the fact that ITN doesn't usually cover pre-election activities. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose; Please remove it from ITN asap. I am surprised to see that this was posted despite so much reasoned opposition. User Thaddeus has seriously erred in judging that there has been a 'consensus' here. Nothing establishes this debate's notability aside from its inaugural nature, but the fact that it's happening for the first time is not a good enough reason in and of itself to make it noteworthy. Happening-for-the-first-time does not equal "historic". Conversely, if it wasn't the first time this has happened, and there were notable political results, reactions, then perhaps it is ITN-worthy. But the reasons for not having this on ITN doesn't stop there - this event has no international impact, it is not particularly newsworthy globally, it ostensibly has not even altered the election scene in Britain substantially, and it just looks really, really inappropriate admidst the rest of the news stories - which outweigh this story's notability hundredfold. Colipon+(Talk) 00:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 14

ITN candidates for April 14

Volcanic cloud disrupts European air traffic

The air space over Northern Norway has been closed due to the plume of the ash cloud from the Eyjafjallajökull volcano on Iceland. As this cloud moves air traffic over larger parts of Europe may also be shut down. __meco (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wait to see what the effects are. It's potentially significant, but still a bit early. Physchim62(talk) 20:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, however, this is a very rapidly developing situation, so we should be prepared for how it develops. Norwegian authorities warn that the air space over the entire country may be closed in a matter of hours. __meco (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - air travel into and out of the UK is severely affected now as well [35] - major British international airports such as Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham, London Stansted, Ediburgh and Newcastle have seen cancellations or closures, which will in turn affect thousands of flights across the globe. I think incidents such as British Airways Flight 9 means authorities are taking no risks... --Daviessimo (talk) 06:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support' Unusual event, major impact on air travel in northern Europe. Mjroots (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Big news over much of Europe. UK airspace will be totally closed from 1100 UTC, Belgian and Dutch airspace from 1200 UTC, Danish airspace from 1600 UTC. Much of German airspace is also expected to be closed. DutchNews Libération Bild Physchim62 (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think the widespread scope of this event now warrants ITN mention. --Kitch(Talk : Contrib) 11:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 11:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Scandinavia" includes Finland, is that affected? f o x 13:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's more important that the locations include all the areas affected, not that all of the areas within the locations mentioned are effected. -- tariqabjotu 13:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well the way it's worded at present makes it seem Finland is affected (and arguably the Faroes, but I don't think there is an airport there anyway). f o x 14:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yes, there is ;-) However, we'll have to update the blurb as the other countries are closing their airspaces. --Tone 15:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Learned something today ;) An update definitely on the cards, but not until later tonight, I feel. f o x 17:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why not until alter tonight? There is support for my suggestion of "northern Europe" in a related discussion on T:MP. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 17:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of computer journalist Guy Kewney

Guy Kewney, highly influential journalist on computers for last 40 years

"He was the first computer journalist, and was there right at the very beginning." Gracious, infuriating and funny: Goodbye Guy, and thanks, PC Pro (blog) - Jon Honeyball

Obituary: Guy Kewney, BBC

Headlines: Guy Kewney dies at 63, Los AngelesNews Today

86.132.120.73 (talk) 17:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I might be inclined to support the story, but the article would need some improvement. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 17:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - ordinary deaths only need to be on the main page if the person is extremely notable, which I do not believe is the case here. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per ThaddeusB. Not seeing the extraordinary notability to put it on the front page. 00:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Oppose. For journalists, they need to be at least Bob Woodward level by my criteria. Physchim62 (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Everyone knows ITN is British-centric; why pretend it's not? Nutmegger (talk) 01:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shoaib-Sania nikkah )Marriage

This event is getting more news coverage than any other event in Southeast Asia. Both Indian and Pakistani media is give it top priority. Geo Tv has even got a special page for it Shoaib-Sania ]--yousaf465 13:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. I wish the happy couple a long life together, but this is simply not ITN material. Physchim62(talk) 14:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Sad part is that even BBC and CNN had featured this on their front pages this week, however, ITN rejects items deemed trivial SPat talk 14:32, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have to agree with oppose here. --Tone 14:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ya i'm sorry but two people getting married isnt really big news doesnt matter how much media coverage it gets. -- Ashish-g55 14:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this some kind of joke? How come WP should showcase wedding on main page? --GPPande 15:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I remember we've once discussed the case where a king gets married (for example prince William if he were the king at that moment), that seemed to be somehow ITN-worthy. But this is not the case here. --Tone 15:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ok fine a british monarch can be an exception but tennis player not so much. Media just loves this stuff. if we followed it then we would be posting a new blurb everytime tiger woods sleeps with someone other than his wife. -- Ashish-g55 15:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen Mirza play, and if she gets her mental act together and settles down, she can go up on ITN as a Grand Slam champion in a few years. Sitting Sovereign gets married, fine, that creates a Queen or Prince Consort. Tennis player, even one with the potential of Mirza, no. Oppose. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's not only Sania here, there is Shoaib also, this wedding is almost being officially celebrated here in Pakistan, with everybody from President to the Leader of opposition participating in some way. Pakistan's minister for population welfare, Firdous Ashiq Awan, has appointed the newly wed couple as ambassadors for population welfare. Look at the media coverage it is getting internationally Pakistan cricketer Malik weds India's tennis star Mirza MSNsport. It is being celebrated as far as Canada. Mock wedding are bing conducted all over Pakistan.--yousaf465 02:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's just a celebrity marriage, plain and simple. Few weddings are important enough to merit posting on ITN (British Royals, a sitting US President). ~DC Talk To Me 03:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Approve for Arabic, Punjabi and Hindi ITCs, not for English. --Kitch(Talk : Contrib) 11:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Arabic? -- tariqabjotu 12:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You missed it Kitch it should have been Urdu instead. Well fun aside, I'm moving it to WT:ITN, we can discuss it further there.--yousaf465 06:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maha Kumbh

An estimated two million people will bathe in the Ganges today at Haridwar in northern India, as the culmination of the Maha Kumbh festival, celebrated every twelve years. BBC News Physchim62 (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative support. As it does not happen every year. --Tone 11:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two million is a lot of people, even by Indian standards! Physchim62 (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Major event of Hinduism. Maybe we should have it in ITNR also. --GPPande 15:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support is cleaned up and updated. Would support ITN/R, but I wonder if that page will even exist by the next time this comes around. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a major event. support placing in ITNR Wikireader41 (talk) 01:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support The Maha Kumbh is considered to be the largest gathering of mankind in the world. Definitely newsworthy. --Nosedown (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested blurb:

About two million Hindu pilgrims gather in Haridwar, India, for the Maha Kumbh festival.

--Nosedown (talk) 00:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: No update to Kumbh Mela (to which Maha Kumbh redirects) has been made yet, and I don't currently see any mention of 2010 Ganges bathing. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if/when updated. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 14:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article hasn't been updated (by me) because I haven't been able to find any confirmation of the figure of two million. If anyone else wants to have a look then please do so. Physchim62(talk) 21:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the article some. per NY times source on April 14 alone 10 million people bathed in the Ganges. the year to date number is quoted at 40 million by AFP. the blurb could be

About ten million Hindu pilgrims bathe in the Ganges in Haridwar, India, for the Maha Kumbh festival. Wikireader41 (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's there is good, but I would prefer it if the update were a little more substantial. I'd offer my services, but I'm afraid I don't have time atm. As to the blurb, I suggest "at least" or "approximately" in pace of "about" but otherwise it sounds good. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 23:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added some more. 2 citations say that this is the largest religious gathering in the world. so another suggestion for blurb is

Approximately ten million Hindu pilgrims bathe in the Ganges in Haridwar, India, for the Maha Kumbh festival, which is thought to be the largest religious gathering in the World. Wikireader41 (talk) 00:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for the update, I was obviously looking in the wrong places! I think the name should be Maha Kumbh Mela. If we are going to say that it's the biggest human gathering in the world, we should say it straight, not "thought to be": the only other gathering which gets close is the Hajj. Physchim62(talk) 00:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are right. here are 3 more sources who call it the largest religious festival in the world.[36][37][38]. Wikireader41 (talk) 01:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 West Bengal storm

31 dead in India, 50,000 destroyed homes - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment the article is too short, support when expanded. --Tone 11:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now we have 68 deaths - (AFP) (Press Trust of India) (Al Jazeera) - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Significant event not covered much on mainstream media. --GPPande 15:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support death toll now exceeds 100 persons. [39] --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: article is in poor shape, but I'm working on it now. Should be mainpage ready w/in an hour.--ThaddeusB (talk) 19:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article now cleaned up and expanded. I have also renamed it 2010 eastern Indian nor'wester since the storm affected multiple states, not just West Bengal. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is fine now but why don't we just call it a storm? There is no good article that would explain the term nor'wester, apart from a disambig. --Tone 21:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if you meant in the blurb or the article title, but if you want to rename the article that is fine by me. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted No way I was putting "nor'wester" on the Main Page though. -- tariqabjotu 23:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand why is Bangladesh in the blurb? The nor'wester had struck the eastern part of India and almost all casualties were in India. --Nosedown (talk) 00:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Qinghai earthquake

About 300 people are killed in an earthquake in Qinghai province, China.[40] Major event, several casaulties SPat talk 06:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rubber stamp support. Post right away! __meco (talk) 07:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No need to support or oppose - per ITN/R - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of interest, which criterion on WP:ITNR does this qualify under? Support on it's own merits anyway. Modest Genius talk 01:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting, the article is in good shape already. --Tone 07:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support Physchim62 (talk) 09:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 13

ITN candidates for April 13

Nuclear Security Summit (2010)

I am surprised nobody else nominated it. Any supports? It is said to be the biggest political thing held in Washington DC in 60 years. — Cargoking talk 20:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, possibly with blurb: "Leaders of 40 nations agree to a plan designed to keep nuclear weapons out of terrorist hands at the Nuclear Security Summit." (LA Times) --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the above. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 12

ITN candidates for April 12

Pulitzer Prize

The Washington Post wins four and The New York Times wins three Pulitzer Prizes and Hank Williams earns posthumous recognition.

  • Support -SusanLesch (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, major award, though the article could use some more prose. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when sufficiently updated. I'm surprised this isn't on ITNR. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a couple sentences to the lead, so this is updated. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Significant prize. ~AH1(TCU) 02:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Omitting Williams because the blurb would get really awkward as it is proposed above - feel free to alter it. --Tone 12:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Heh. This one got in easily. The last time this was discussed, the result was its removal at WP:ITNR... –Howard the Duck 04:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I missed this one, but I would have weak opposed. It's only open to newspapers in the US (not other countries or forms of journalism), and if we're going to post it regularly we need to select a 'headline' category, as we do for eg. the Oscars. On the other hand, I can't think of a bigger journalism prize we should have instead. Oppose ITNR without further discussion. Modest Genius talk 01:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Live Earth

The Dow Live Earth Run for Water started on April 18th. The host cities are: Buenos Aires, Cape Town, Chicago, Hong Kong, Jimbaran, London, Los Angeles, Manchester, Melbourne, Mexico City, Milan, Minneapolis, New York, Lisboa, Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo, Singapore City, Stockholm, Toronto and Washington, D.C.. --China Dialogue News 06:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by China Dialogue News (talkcontribs)

Leaning oppose, but that image is tagged as copyright, so can't be used on the main page. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting on April 18 without image. The Live Earth (2007 concert) was a major international event that was significant enough to be broadcast worldwide and played on all seven continents, and noteworthy enough for ITN. The event this year, the first after the cancelled 2008 event, is planned to be another significant international one. ~AH1(TCU) 02:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Devolution of Justice powers to NI/Car bomb explodes outside MI5 HQ in Belfast

*Policing and justice powers will be devolved to Northern Ireland from 12 April following a deal agreed by the DUP and Sinn Féin. This was a political stalemate that has existed for years. — Cargoking talk 16:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Carried over from here. — Cargoking talk 16:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The DUP and Sinn Fein have agreed do devolve policing and justice to Northern Ireland, and agreed to reform handling of parades. Strikes me as an important step in Northern Ireland history. [41]—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.74.233 (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but this still has to pass a vote in the Northern Ireland Assembly on 9 March. We might want to wait until then - Dumelow (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly big news in NI, but does it travel? You have to explain an awful lot of history and UK constitutional law before you get the significance. Even then, it is really just a return to what would be a "normal" situation in the UK, at least for policing, with the police under local political control and not central political control. The devolution of justice responsibilities is similarly fairly banal, as Northern Ireland is a separate jurisdiction and so has a self-contained courts system. There's a bigger UK story breaking at the moment, one that got pages of coverage in the Spanish press this morning as opposed to the odd paragraph for the NI deal... Physchim62 (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please make any further comment below here:
US President Barack Obama joined premiers Gordon Brown and Brian Cowen in proclaiming the significance of the deal. Cargoking talk 14:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from ITN/C
I think this is a pretty big event given the long history of the troubles in Northern Ireland. I would say if it were to go up, it's probably best to wait until the 12th April when power will actually be handed over, but I thought I'd put it out for discussion now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I was considering nominating this earlier. George W. Bush has been involved and it's big news in the UK. I'd say it's notable enough, but I;d be inclined to wait til April when it comes into force. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 22:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support now or then. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very major hurdle has been crossed in peace process. HonouraryMix (talk) 01:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, as I have before. This is really just a domestic issue, with no international significance. It means that Northern Ireland has the same local political control over its police force as the rest of the UK, and also an administrative responsibility for its (separate) judicial system, as Scotland has. Not really earth-shattering unless you personally lived through the Troubles. Physchim62 (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. It has international significance in the same way that Israel-Palestine and Kashmir (among others) do. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 13:45, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd like to remind people that all this chit-chat is meaningless if there's no article associated with this. -- tariqabjotu 08:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I presume the relevant article to be updated is Department of Justice (Northern Ireland). I'll move this discussion to future events as I think this will be better returning on April 12th --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The devolution of justice powers was nominated in the past, but it was decided we should wait until today when it actually occurs. It marks a huge step forward in the democratic devolution process in NI and means the Northern Irish will have control over their own police forces/courts etc for the first time in almost 40 years. The car bomb is believed by police to be a dissident republican protest linked to the devolution of justice powers [42] --Daviessimo (talk) 07:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this a terrorist incident in UK after a long period of time.--yousaf465 08:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Real IRA has claimed responsibility. --candlewicke 09:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I have copied previous discussion to the top. — Cargoking talk 16:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
David Ford. --candlewicke 17:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I propose, in my usual bossy way ;)
I don't think the car-bombing is significant. Physchim62 (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles – David Ford and Department of Justice (Northern Ireland) – need updating before this story can see the Main Page. Physchim62(talk) 18:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Significant step in NI history. I'll see what I can do on at least one of the articles. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian Parliamentary Elections

Posting. Election results are ITN/R and the article is updated. --Tone 10:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, just a note to say this is the first round (although it is still a victory). can we add first round to the main page?
They have already won absolute majority which is an event of itself. The second round will just assign the percentages. --Tone 11:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Merano train derailment

  • A landslide has caused a train to derail in north Italy, killing 11 people and injuring 25. BBCCNN - JuneGloom07 Talk? 12:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Europe's (and Italy's) worst train accident in some time. The article seems to be long enough and is referenced. A landslide causes a train to derail in Merano, Italy, killing several people and injuries dozens of others. --candlewicke 16:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is in good shape, ready to post after one support more. --Tone 19:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as well. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
checkY posted. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks everyone, totally unexpected! I'd have thought the Real IRA bomb would have got the nod over this. There I was thinking that ITNs were harder to get than GAs! Mjroots (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 11

ITN candidates for April 11

Saudi Arabia and Vietnam

Nguyễn Minh Triết
Abdullah of Saudi Arabia
Support Once the relevant articles are updated. Candlewicke I think you can do the job.--yousaf465 08:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greece Loan

  • I'm surprised that this hasn't been listed before, but the Eurozone nations have agreed on a 30bn euro loan deal for Greece, if they want the money [43]. As of yet they haven't formally requested help, but given that that have 300bn Euros worth of debt there's a good chance they will. Should we list now (as in the Eurozone nations offer to loan Greece 30bn to help it in its current financial crisis...or wait until Greece formally asks for help? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, definitely not until they actually ask for it. --candlewicke 20:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless accepted. Not sure in case they take it, 30,000,000,000 Euro just isn't that much money anymore. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hungary electiosn

  • Strong support election results usually make it to the front page and this was a landmark because "Jobbik won 16.7 per cent of the vote, more than three times as much as any other far-right party since the country's return to democracy from communism in 1990." Some future trends being forecasted here (especially int he light of the last EU elections)
Just updated it with results from the first round

April 2010 Solomon Islands earthquake

Oppose for now, doesn't appear to be any significant damage/casualties. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Masters

  • It is listed on ITNR as one of the four golf majors, so as long as a prose update is forthcoming, this should be listed on ITN --Daviessimo (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support Sporting event with international significance, ITN should be updated with the winner info when the winner is known, something like "John Doe wins the 2010 Masters Golf Tournament in Augusta, Georgia" or something similar. --Jayron32 20:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's over, Phil Mickelson wins, his third title at the Masters. Support. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
checkY Since this is on ITNR and the article has been updated, I've posted the story. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, no, no. This event is basically only watched in the United States and Canada, maybe the UK, along with a handful of loyal golf fans in other countries. Even cricket has greater international exposure. Typical Wikipedia systemic bias. Colipon+(Talk) 03:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
its pretty funny how u compared it to 2nd most watched sport in the world. i hope above comment was sarcastic because it really shows lack of sports knowledge. if it wasnt sarcastic then please go see the amount of masters tournament coverage in pretty much any country's news papers/sites. -- Ashish-g55 04:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What do the Chinese watch anyway? That supposedly #1, right? –Howard the Duck 11:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do apologize for my ignorance on cricket. It is, indeed, the second most watched sport in the world. Apparently golf ranks eighth. Also, there is no need for the insensitive swipes about Chinese people. If we put the Masters on the ITN, will be do the same for British Open? For U.S. Open? For the PGA Championship? Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall major golf tournaments being listed on ITN. Colipon+(Talk) 11:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was not a swipe on the Chinese people. I was merely asking what the Chinese people watch, since if Indians watch cricket, and that's #2, what the Chinese should watch should be #1.
As for golf, see WP:ITNR#Golf. –Howard the Duck 12:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The #1 is going to be Soccer. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: I don't watch, nor am I interested in golf in any way shape or form, but this seems to be a big enough tournament to warrant inclusion at ITN. f o x 11:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Colipon, yes we WILL post each of the other golf tournaments you list - they're on our list of recurring items at WP:ITNR. Modest Genius talk 22:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fabian Cancellara

Fabian Cancellara

Probably going to told off, but this Swiss cyclist has just won the Tour of Flanders and Paris-roubaix in consecutive weeks. The two most famous cobbled classics. Cycling is a very big sport throughout Europe and there are Americans, Australians and Canadians on the ProTour as well nowadays YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This seems to be an important achievement. And he has a picture! --candlewicke 22:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if its not too late per YellowMonkey. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:06, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 10

ITN candidates for April 10

Shroud of Turin goes on public display for the first time in 10 years

According to the BBC, "The shroud is expected to draw some two million visitors to the northern Italian city over the next few weeks". Millions of people believe it is important, it is kept in a bullet-proof case in Turin Cathedral and the Pope is even going to make a flying visit to inspect it. --candlewicke 19:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Appears to be notable enough. ~AH1(TCU) 23:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Interesting story (and the Shroud itself is super interesting), but I don't feel it is a big enough development to hit the main page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The Catholic church decides to show a 13th century forgery - very possibly in order to distract attention from the over 200 raped deaf boys and other victims who are also, and more legitimately, in the news. I fail to see the notability of this. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 06:39, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While I love the history behind this, "Very old object put back on public display" isn't really that big of news. First time ever displayed would be, but not after a mere ten years. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bronisław Komorowski becomes Acting President of Poland

Bronisław Komorowski visiting Poznań in 2010

Shouldn't this be mentioned in some way on the Main Page? --candlewicke 16:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably in the same bit as the other Polish thing, but I think it's maybe too detailed as it is. f o x 16:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should be put up as its own item. The one about the plane crash is crowded enough. --PlasmaTwa2 20:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as separate item. ~AH1(TCU) 00:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support separate blurb. Even if we were setting ratio decidendi, how often do 40-odd notable people, including the incumbent head of state die in on incident? On another note, can we work in somewhere that a week of mourning has been declared? HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 00:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's a necessary and automatic consequence of the plane crash. Possibly worth mentioning in the plane crash blurb, but I don't see why this should count as a event needing a separate posting. Dragons flight (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support 2 separate events here. one giant blurb doesnt make it any better. -- Ashish-g55 02:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dragons flight. The two items would lead anyway to the same set of articles. --Elekhh (talk) 02:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Two events; this is noteworthy in its own right as identifying who is now leading the country. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 06:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Given that succession is immediate and automatic, I really don't see the argument for how this counts as "two events"? In addition, you can't explain why he is president without mentioning the plane crash, so if this is included, it really should be part of a long plane crash blurb. Dragons flight (talk) 08:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add a second sentence to the present blurb. --Tone 11:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That works; thanks. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 20:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tony McCoy "finally" wins the Grand National

I know next to nothing about horse racing but "Tony McCoy" and "Grand National" ring a few bells. The Daily Telegraph - "a famous victory". --candlewicke 16:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's his first win in the 15 years he's tried, according to the BBC. But he was favourite... f o x 16:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll support as long as the article is updated sufficiently. At the moment, the results table has not been completed and the article lacks prose. As an aside, why are no horse races listed at ITNR? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if sufficiently updated, with prose. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose nothing that only in the event of a Triple Crown does ITN/R contain horse racing. (And considering the amount of attention the sort gets, I feel that's about right.) We've got an ITN/R sports story to put up in around 13 hours, so this would mean putting two up in rapid succession. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But it is a bit odd that we list pretty much every major sport and a lot a minor ones, but we don't have any horse races. Also, there a are multiple triple crowns and they are only achieved once every 30 years or so. I said it last year, but why not just select the 3 or 4 horse racing events that are followed around the world and list them instead. I mean most sports enthuisiasts have heard of the Kentucky Derby, Melbourne Cup, Grand National and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe. --Daviessimo (talk) 10:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
At absolute minimum, the Kentucky Derby should be listed every year; Grand National would probably be 2nd, and I would certainly support its yearly inclusion as well. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the ITNR events tend to be familiar even to people who don't follow the sport. Anecdotally, I would note that I'm familiar with the Kentucky Derby, but have never heard of the Grand National before this. So I would hope to see further justification (probably not here) before adding the National to ITNR. Dragons flight (talk) 18:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whereas I have heard of the Grand National and have never heard of the Kentucky Derby. "The Grand National is watched worldwide by over 600 million viewers". Further, I looked up "Kentucky Derby" and in the "History" section it mentions the Epsom Derby which I have also heard of. The Kentucky Derby seems to be based on/inspired by the Epsom Derby and is younger than the Epsom Derby which is apparently "Britain's richest horse race, and the most prestigious of the country's five Classics". Is the Kentucky Derby very important at all? It just seems to be part one of three races. It isn't even the oldest in the United States (apparently that is Travers Stakes and the Grand National is several decades older than this, never mind the Kentucky Derby). I would rate the Kentucky Derby at least third but I must be missing something as everyone seems very enthusiastic about the Kentucky Derby and not at all enthusiastic about the Grand National. --candlewicke 19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From the article: "The Kentucky Derby is ... widely considered the most prestigious horse race in the world". No citation naturally, but that's in line with my perception that it is the best known horse race in the US. Being American, I'm unsure of it's international importance though. Dragons flight (talk) 20:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently when Queen Elizabeth attended the Kentucky Derby in 2007 she considered it one of the highlights of her life. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since when has been age the primary factor in posting events? What's next? The NCAA Basketball getting in because NCAA Basketball made it? LOL. –Howard the Duck 06:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thai protests

Is there an article for that?--DAI (Δ) 12:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't heard of this at all. News links? f o x 13:28, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. 2 story on BBC News at the minute. Physchim62 (talk) 13:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support with blurb "Nineteen people die after violence breaks out between government forces and protesters in Thailand." New article, 2010 Thai political protests, started with info from National United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship and updated to reflect this significant development. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"worst political violence in 18 years" [44] --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. An international (Japanese) cameraman is among the killed. ~AH1(TCU) 00:02, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I've just moved 2008-2009 Thai political crisis to 2008–2010 Thai political crisis and added a new section to describe the current events and a section in the introduction. A suitable link for this news feature would be to the main section 2008–2010 Thai political crisis#2010 "red shirt" opposition supporter protests. Feel free to modify the title (and of course any of the article) if you think it will improve things. As some of the largest political unrest in Thailand for decades this should definitely be in the news on the main page. Kernow (talk) 05:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, there is now an article (2010 Thai political protests) specifically on the these protests. Any blurb should link to that article (which links back to the ongoing political crisis). Thank you, however, for adding a blurb to that article. It is definitely helpful to have a summary there as well. --ThaddeusB (talk) 06:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, thank you for pointing out the specific article. Kernow (talk) 06:39, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very notable. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 06:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 11:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crash of the plane of the Polish president

Lech Kaczyński
Naturally support - it's the worst news in 2010 - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:58, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. Death in office of a head of state is ITN/R. Physchim62(talk) 08:13, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article started at 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash. I can't do much on this as I've got a wedding to go to today. Mjroots (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please update to reflect confirmed death e.g. below Chzz 08:20, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Polish President Lech Kaczyński and wife Maria die in a plane crash in Western Russia
  • I guess we should add that the entire Polish state delegation, on the way to commemorate the Katyn massacre, was killed in the crash.

Ouch! at that blurb! How about:

I don't think including reported to or allegedly sounds very good - that what newspapers do. I'd prefer to just say a plane carrying XX crashes in Russia. It can be updated when more information appears --Daviessimo (talk) 08:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest updating as below following several confirmations Chzz 09:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support updated blurb. Deaths have been confirmed, as noted. HonouraryMix (talk) 10:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit of a mouthful, no? Do we need the first lady in there? f o x 11:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support. Shocking! Even without all the notable people that is still a lot of dead people. Today's entire recent deaths has been taken over by Poland! When was the last time so many notable people from one country died in one incident? When was the last time Recent deaths even had that many entries? --candlewicke 14:33, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest changing the wording from "Several notable Poles" to "Many notable..." to reflect the enormity of this disaster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.17.167.4 (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Abel Muzorewa

BBC - "one of the most prominent political figures in the turbulent years before the independence of Zimbabwe". Voice of America - "consecrated the United Methodist Church's first black bishop in 1968". The Daily Telegraph - "first black prime minister of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia [...] led his party's delegation at the Lancaster House conference in London in 1979 which resulted in the emergence the following year of the independent republic of Zimbabwe, formerly Southern Rhodesia". --candlewicke 01:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article's updates do not yet include the addition of substantial information regarding Muzorewa's death. I support the item's inclusion if and when a decent Death section (explaining the circumstances and societal impact) is authored. —David Levy 01:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Better? --candlewicke 02:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but the article still needs work- the lead is almost non-existent and there are precious little references. Articles on the MP should look a little better than that. I oppose posting it in its current state but support the inclusion of the item. What David said, essentially! HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 03:20, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 9

ITN candidates for April 9

Nord Stream

Construction of the controversial Nord Stream gas pipeline starts. Beagel (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did we not post something about this earlier? Anyway, I would oppose the beginning of its construction.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it appeared on 8 November 2009 with the blurb "Finland and Sweden give a permit to build the controversial Nord Stream, a natural gas pipeline from Vyborg, Russia, to Greifswald, Germany, in their exclusive economic zones." Weak oppose, let's wait for the inauguration. Physchim62 (talk) 13:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Paul Stevens

Repeating the blurb:

Support. What's the holdup? This is kind of a big deal. True, it's not as earth-shaking as if (say) Anthony Kennedy or Antonin Scalia retired, but given that SCOTUS changes don't happen too often, I think it's ITN-worthy. Lockesdonkey (talk) 17:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While, I'm tempting to support, I'm not sure his retirement is unexpected (it's been rumored for the last year it feels like). Also, when Souter announced his retirement last year, it wasn't posted (though Obama's nomination of Sotomayor and her swearing-in were). So I guess I'm neutral leaning support/weak support. ~DC Talk To Me 17:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We routinely do not feature the resignations and retirements of politicians etc. Unless there was a real scandal that caused him to resign, I don;t think it's ITN-worthy. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 17:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm split. While it's not every day that a Supreme Court justice retires, it's not like this was entirely unexpected (he was 90) —Ed (talkmajestic titan) 17:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I agree with HJMitchell. Had he resigned as a result of a scandal then that would have been a different story, but he was very old and this is just a run of the mill retirement --Daviessimo (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as above. The retirement was entirely expected, Stevens will be replaced by another Justice of similar outlook, nothing really will change in the world. Physchim62 (talk) 17:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - a Supreme Court Justice is not a politician. As a side note, it is a pity that Daviessimo feels that a scandal would make it worthwhile, whereas without some salacious detail, he considers it is not newsworthy. This is a sad commentary on modern views; allow me to comment that gossip is not news, but a Supreme court justice retiring will effect everyone in the United States for many years to come, and is most assuredly news. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 17:37, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I never said I do not consider it newsworthy, so please don't put words in my mouth. I simply do not consider it ITN worthy. As has been said to death, ITN is not a news ticker and we cannot put every single newsworthy item on the main page of what is actually an encyclopaedia. The notability of one's career has to be pretty high to get a death mention on ITN so why should it be any different for a retirement. --Daviessimo (talk) 18:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Wait until a replacement is confirmed. --ed 18:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.185.18.207 (talk)
I don't think I'd even support the confirmation of his successor (unless there was something unusual about it). This is really run-of-the-mill stuff which only affects a single country (however large and important that country is). Physchim62(talk) 18:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:49, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I added it to the daily Portal earlier today, but didn't nominate it here b/c I didn't feel it was important enough for the main page. A big deal, to be sure, but not even one of the top 3 stories of the day, IMO. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not unexpected at all, and won't change the ideological make-up of the court. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per HJ Mitchell, Daviessimo, Physchim62, Johnsemlak, ThaddeusB and Bradjamesbrown. --candlewicke 01:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- More than 6,000 Google News hits. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SupportImportant News--Istcol (talk) 11:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ununseptium

  • American and Russian physicists announce the creation of ununseptium, atomic element number 117.' Feel free to reword. --Natural RX 19:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Premature. We should wait for the paper to appear in its full form, rather than just being accepted for publication. I'm underwhelmed by the state of the article as well, but I'll take that up with WP:ELEMENTS so that, hopefully, we can have a decent article to link when the moment comes (probably in 4–6 weeks, depends on the journal). Physchim62 (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - No opinion on whether it should go up now or when the paper is published, though. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The paper was published, see also http://physics.aps.org/articles/v3/31 /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Important synthetic element. ~AH1(TCU) 00:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 11:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 8

ITN candidates for April 8

Australopithecus sediba

Nom: (New article) This is a pretty major find. Will be the cover story of tomorrow's Science issue. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Always support good science stories, which this is. We should just make sure that we put an image of some building on ITN so that we don't again draw complaints that we have described some politicians as "a new type of ancient human"... :-) --Tone 19:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --bender235 (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as usual for major science stories. --Bradjamesbrown is travelling (Talk to my master) 22:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, it's a busy week in biology stories! I've checked the article and I have to say Support: not only is this obviously a major find, but the article is well written and properly referenced (which ain't how I usually find them!) Physchim62(talk) 23:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 09:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Malcolm McLaren

Is the death of Malcolm McLaren notable? BBC Cargoking talk 18:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to support this one. The Guardian calls him "the guiding force behind punk". The Independent holds him responsible for generating the controversy of The Sex Pistols — "McLaren was best known as manager of the iconic UK punk band The Sex Pistols [...] Controversy was always high on the band’s agenda, and it was McLaren, primarily, who ensured they achieved it [...] The band split up after a series of arguments, with members accusing McLaren of mismanaging them and withholding money [...] is regularly cited as being a significant influences in bringing hip-hop to a wider audience in the UK". Eminem and Mariah Carey like him too and they seem to be highly successful. --candlewicke 19:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are plenty of other managers out there like him. Hasn't really been relevant to a wide audience in a while. And I don't care about the hyperbole newspapers use in their obits on him, because that's what they do. ~DCTalk To Me 19:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They don't do that for everyone. --candlewicke 19:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Although I share nominator's assessment of the great impact Malcolm McLaren had on pop music for several years, and I was a fan of his projects at the time, I still think that the overall impact he has had on pop music was too short-lived to place him in the really big league with people like for instance Phil Spector. He was more in a novelty-niche of his own peculiar, although catchy, design. __meco (talk) 19:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's also Allen Klein, who managed The Beatles and Rolling Stones (and some consider a cause of the Beatles break-up, along with Spector), and his death last July wasn't added to ITN. ~DC Talk To Me 20:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but with no prejudice if this doesn't get posted, it's a busy week. There are plenty of othe managers out there like McLaren, but he was the one who did the Sex Pistols and, even if punk didn't last long as a genre in itself, it laid the way open to otyher genres such as indie and death metal, which were far more commercially successful than punk itself. The position of the Sex Pistols in the history of modern music is undisputed, and that is in a large part down to McLaren. My one hesitation is that the story might be too UK-centric, but I trust that other editors will comment on that. Physchim62(talk) 23:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The manager of a band--no.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yes, there are other band managers, but ask anyone with a passing knowledge of punk rock or rock music history in general to "Name any band manager", and his name shows up on a very short list (Him, Andrew Loog Oldham, Brian Epstein, Maurice Starr) of band managers who were as well known, or more so, than the bands they managed. Yes, the average band manager would not deserve a blip, but he's no average band manager. --Jayron32 03:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not influential enough on a world stage. (And please don't bring up Haig, you can't really compare the highest ranking minister of a UNSC permanent member with a band manager.) The press has lots of flowery words for him, of course, de mortuis nil nisi bonum. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:39, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lankan parliamentary election, 2010

An election to all 225 seats of the Parliament of Sri Lanka - Dumelow (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per ITNR, when results are in the article; ideally there would be prose text on the results.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Probably best to wait a few more hours before posting, but the blurb is correct as of now. At least one seat will have to be recontested following violence, but the overall result is clear. Physchim62(talk) 14:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We should update the photo as well. Rajapakse's photo is free. --Tone 15:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITNR. --candlewicke 15:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Today's START agreement is mentioned at a below date. — Cargoking talk 09:15, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

18th amendment Pakistan

Pakistani Parliament'‎ is going to pass the 18th amendment on Friday. It includes the name change of NWFP, changes in Education rights etc. controversial clause 58(2)b has been removed. Google news.--yousaf465 08:15, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --Sakitalk 09:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wikireader41 (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I cannot see the large issue in this, particularly not to an international audience. __meco (talk) 18:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support because I believe the following answers the one oppose. Radio Netherlands Worldwide — "landmark bill", "historic", "significant". CNN — "a historic moment". Press TV — "The president will lose his power to dismiss the prime minister and dissolve parliament". And there are lots of others... --candlewicke 19:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have an article? I thought about nominating the change in name of the NWFP, but didn't get round to it. To be posted, I think this story needs a good explanation of why it is important. Neutral for the moment. Physchim62 (talk) 23:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral as per Physchim.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For the time being we may use Constitution of Pakistan. Here we are It has been approved by majority vote vote of 255.18th Amendment approved by majority vote--yousaf465 02:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that article still needs an update. That said, I now Support this item when a sufficient update/article is ready. This amendment significantly changes presidential powers of one of the largest countries in the world. Am I right that the head of state will now be the Prime Minister, not the President?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The president will still be the head of state but the role will largely become ceremonial. The prime minister will also remain the head of government but it will be given full executive power. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes President will now only act as ceremonial Head of state, Pm will have the executive power. For the Update I have asked user:Saki but anyone may update it.--yousaf465 04:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support: The articles Constitution of Pakistan and President of Pakistan must be updated to reflect the amendment. As it is, I'm surprised there was no mention of this story on either page during the period that the changes were being discussed. Additionally, the ITN entry should mention that the amendment effectively turns Pakistan from a semi-presidential to a parliamentary republic; indeed, might I suggest the following alternate formulation of the blurb:
Pakistan adopts the 18th amendment to its Constitution, stripping the President of key powers and changing its form of government from a semi-presidential to a parliamentary republic. Lockesdonkey (talk) 04:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We do have the article now, Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan. Somebody please update it. Loadsheding doesn't give enough time to update.--yousaf465 12:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The indicated article appears to be sufficiently updated now. ~AH1(TCU) 00:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan is passed, removing the power of the President to dissolve Parliament. Leaving a note on the talk page. --candlewicke 13:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Significant step given Pakistan's history and considering and Pakistan is the 6th most populous country on Earth, G20 member and, of course, nuclear power so changes to its constitution and politics can have a significant international effect. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 22:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

British Airways-Iberia merger

British Airways and Iberia have officially confirmed they are to merge, a move that will create the world's third largest airline. Although this was agreed in principle back in November 2009, it is only now that it has been officially signed off. In the past, the precedent has been to list business deals at this point (e.g. the Volvo or Cadbury takeovers). As of yet, no article on British Airways-Iberia exists (which would follow the precedent of Air France-KLM after their merger), but an update can be made at History of British Airways or History of Iberia Airlines --Daviessimo (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support obviously ITNworthy, just need to figure out which article to bold. ~DC Talk To Me 07:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Although it is interesting that our prior airline story was also about Oneworld. Major cross-border business deal that's been in the air for years- though it spent some time as a BA-American Airlines merger discussion, IIRC. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 08:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This makes them one of the biggest airlines in the world. — Cargoking talk 09:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support big fusio. --China Dialogue News 10:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by China Dialogue News (talkcontribs)
Please suggest a blurb. BA and Iberia merge to become one of world's biggest airline? --Tone 10:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... one of the world's largest airlines. Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd go for "British Airways and Iberia agree to a merger, creating the third largest commercial airline carrier in the world", as the merger itself will take place over a several month period. I'll look to update the article in a short while --Daviessimo (talk) 11:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Out of interest, do we have an article on the company that this will form? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 13:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Totally unpostable in its present stage, but it's International Airlines Group. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a small update at History_of_British_Airways#2009_-_Financial_difficulties_and_merger, which should be fine for a listing on the main page. Ultimately the new group won't come into existence until the merger is completed in several months time. Is the update ok? --Daviessimo (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I found it and yes, definitely unpostable and not even worth linking in the blurb but I'll have a look at it alter. Daviessimo's update seems fine, though. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 13:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. Reuters says "third largest airline". If the qualifiers "commercial" and "carrier" are really necessary, please report to WP:ERRORS with sources.--Chaser (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rwandan boat tragedy

"Rwanda boat sinking mars genocide commemoration". A vessel carrying people to commemorations of the Rwandan Genocide on its way to Kibuye has capsized on Lake Kivu. --candlewicke 02:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. No confirmed death toll yet and it doesn't look like it will compare with other boating accidents we usually post.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 7

ITN candidates for April 7

James Hansen wins the Sophie Prize

James Hansen wins the Sophie Prize. [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] --Green district (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hansen article is very good but the prize article is barely a list of winners. De facto reason for oppose from my side. --Tone 11:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's frequently a problem with awards articles. Oppose for the same reason.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

START treaty (2010)

To be signed tomorrow in Prague by Obama and Medvedev, it will limit nuclear warheads and missiles. (It will still leave enough to blow up the world.) Such agreements were considered real big deals in the 80s. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still seems a big deal to me. Support when signed. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Still leaves enough to blow up the world though... --candlewicke 00:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Always will be, as long as there are nations. Still a historic event in the 20+ year thawing of tension between the U.S. and the Russian Federation. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support once the treaty is signed Modest Geniustalk 00:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. this is a historic event.Wikireader41 (talk) 01:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as previously indicated. --Elekhh (talk) 02:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, and I suggest we also mention the announced change in US Nuclear strategy discussed below.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post now that the treaty has been signed. Any suggestion for the blurb? Obama and Medvedev sign a treaty to limit the number of nuclear warheads and missles. Anything more? --Tone 10:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, mention the item I have nominated below. — Cargoking talk 18:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can I have the final blurb, please? ;-) (too many suggestions these days, but this one really deserves to get on ITN) --Tone 09:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting basic one, feel free to add. --Tone 17:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Polish and Russian PMs commemorate Katyn massacre

In an unprecedented step1 Vladimir Putin has invited Polish PM Donald Tusk to commemorate victims of the Katyn Massacre. This is frankly a stunning development (though it was reported as early as February) and an major act of reconciliation. For those not familiar the short version is in 1940 the Soviet NKVD shot 22,000 Poles, mostly officers, at the Katyn forest in present day Russia. Later on the USSR blamed the killings on the Nazis, and this was the official story until Gorbachev admitted the Soviet's responsibility in 1990. Since then Katyn has been a very large source political dispute between Warsaw and Moscow. Putin making this very public step at reconciliation is very surprising to me and a very significant step in Poland–Russia relations. On Friday, Russian state tv aired an Oscar-nominated Polish film documenting the massacre.2.

Coverage of this has been widespread but low-profile:

One or two of the relevant articles will need an update, which I'll be able to help on later tonight possibly. The Katyn article is the only one I've found with any mention of the latest developments (a one sentence update). --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated Katyn article's Katyn_massacre#Present_Day_Developments section.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Important development in a notoriously prickly relationship. Physchim62(talk) 00:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Why is there such little interest? --candlewicke 20:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was hoping there would be some interest in a history-related story (one tied to current events). Perhaps it's just been a busy week.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support also - There have been quite a few nominations over the last couple of days and somehow I missed several on this day. There is also the ongoing crisis in Thailand which seems to have been overlooked --Daviessimo (talk) 10:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post. But, I'd like to have a blurb discussion here first. --Tone 18:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This blurb may not make it sound particularly notable but how about In a significant step of reconciliation, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Polish PM Donald Tusk jointly commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems this never went up, not sure why but obviously overtaken by other unfortunate events Nil Einne (talk) 01:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thailand state of emergency

The Redshirts stormed parliament demanding the prime minister to resign. The PM instead declared a state of emergency. –Howard the Duck 13:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the Redshirts have now stormed and taken control of a TV station so the situation seems to be worsening. Is there an article? --Daviessimo (talk) 10:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Kyrgyzstan riots

Support. The article covers a developing story so it needs constant attention. Please, suggest a blurb. --Tone 11:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This has reached a point where we should post it. The article is in adequate shape, and having it on the Main Page will help with updates. Suggest:
The use of live ammunition and the death of at least one person are confirmed by the BBC correspondant in Bishkek. Physchim62(talk) 11:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As an update, the AP is now reporting 12 deaths (here). Otebig (talk) 11:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Updated suggested blurb (+ fixed spelling mistake!) Physchim62 (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major story.--DAI (Δ) 12:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Interior minister killed?--DAI (Δ) 12:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Currently being denied by the Kyrkyz Interior Ministry. Physchim62 (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like "reportedly" on ITN. What about Violent demonstrations take place in Bishkek, with police opening fire on protesters? Ready to post otherwise. --Tone 12:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I personally like "Police open fire on demonstrators in Bishkek, the capital of Kyrgyzstan, killing at least twelve people" a bit better. The figure of 12 was reported by AP journalists on the ground, and I haven't seen any MSM outlets that have questioned that number (if it does turn out to be more, that's covered by the at least). I also think it's good to mention "Kyrgyzstan" in the blurb, since it's a country-wide issue, not only in Bishkek. Otebig (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, to mention the country name, I was just being brief. Ok, now that the deaths are confirmed by a reliable source, I think it is ok to include that in the blurb. Posting. --Tone 13:14, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I find an update is needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.203.128 (talk) 23:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's about time to update the blurb. Any suggestions? --Tone 11:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe "Opposition leaders in Kyrgyzstan take control of government buildings following a day of deadly anti-government demonstrations"? Otebig (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Big lizard

  • Support, article, while short, is pretty well sourced. f o x 10:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this the one with two penises? We should have free pics of this! –Howard the Duck 11:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • We would have to go to the forests of the northern Philippines to get pictures of this lizard's two penises, but here's a free picture of the same phenomenon on a rattlesnake, just for you! (having two penises is quite normal for snakes and lizards) Physchim62 (talk) 11:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --Tone 11:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This is impeccably interesting.--WaltCip (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wikireader41 (talk) 19:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, much better than the recurring 'new dinosaur species' stories. Modest Genius talk 23:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: important, educational and interesting. Elekhh (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per others. --Sakitalk 09:14, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shall we use the above blurb? Ready to post otherwise. --Tone 09:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Suggested blurb – A new species of monitor lizard, growing up to 2 meter, is discovered in Philippines. Maybe we can use Template:Convert/mi ft for more clarity on length but I am not sure how to use that template. --GPPande 10:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure about the template either, I will post without for the time being. --Tone 11:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need for {{convert}} on ITN: the conversion isn't difficult or controversial! 6'6" is 1.9812 metres, so saying two metres (I prefer spelling out the number, to make it clear that it's approximate) is 6½ feet as near as makes no difference! Physchim62 (talk) 12:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Senegal

Senegal recently celebrated its 50th year of independence.

On Saturday there was a controversial statue which is bigger than the Statue of Liberty and led to thousands of protesters to take to the streets of Dakar, while "the inauguration ceremony was attended by 19 African heads of state, North Korean officials, and a delegation of 100 African-Americans including the Rev Jesse Jackson". (BBC) (Al Jazeera) (AFP) (CNN) (The Guardian)

On Sunday the President announced in a televised address that Senegal is to resume control of all military bases held by France. (BBC) (Al Jazeera) (euronews)

Is there anything here for ITN? --candlewicke 03:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The item about the military bases, maybe. --PlasmaTwa2 04:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We do have a free picture of the statue now... There has been little discussion about that a couple of days ago. --Tone 11:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the statue. Modest Geniustalk 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated African Renaissance Monument: The African Renaissance Monument (pictured) is unveiled in Dakar, Senegal. --candlewicke 23:04, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Too late. The stories have dropped off the bottom. Physchim62 (talk) 00:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Floods in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

At least 95 people die as heavy rain causes floods and mudslides in and around Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Nutmegger (talk) 04:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC) (there were also floods there in January that were in ITN - Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/2 January 2010[reply]

Look down under April 6, this was already posted. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 6

Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
Science and technology

ITN candidates for April 6

First animals living without oxygen - Loricifera

Light microscopy image of the undescribed species of Spinoloricus that lives in an anoxic environment (Stained with Rose Bengal). Scale bar is 50 μm.

The first multicellular animals that spend their entire lives without oxygen (in anoxic waters) were discovered in the depths of Mediterranean Sea. These animals belong to three new species in the phylum Loricifera (one of new species pictured).

Support, but only with the inclusion of the vitally important word 'multicellular'. Plenty of anoxic bacteria exist. Modest Geniustalk 23:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the word "multicellular" could be misleading in this first sentence, because they are really first such animals. Bacteria are not animals. There are no other animals living all their lives in anoxic conditions. It can be added to the second sentence like this: "These multicellular organisms belong to three new species from phylum Loricifera (one of new species pictured)." --Snek01 (talk) 23:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I cleaned up the prose a bit and added "multicellular". I hope this is better. Invertzoo (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are eukaryotes as well which are completely anaerobic, it's not just bacteria. So I think "multicellular" should go in the blurb as well as the article. Physchim62 (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, with the clarification of multicelluar. In an ideal world, we wouldn't have to clarify that, but I think we probably should in this case. NW (Talk) 01:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is simply very cool. __meco (talk) 07:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added multicellular to the beginning of the blurb. Is that better? or you could say "The first organisms in the kingdom Animalia", if you prefer, but that's might be a bit pompous-sounding.Invertzoo (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post once we agree on the blurb :-) Proper wordings in biology can be quite tricky sometimes... --Tone 18:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but, for me, the terms "multicellular" and "that spend their entire lives" (or equivalent for the latter) are important. Perhaps we could turn the blurb around: "Three Loricifera species (one pictured) are the first multicellular organisms found to spend all of their life cyclewithout oxygen." Physchim62(talk) 19:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, very good. Thank you Physchim62. --Snek01 (talk) 12:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scrabble

The rules are to change... very controversial... for the first time in history. Now proper nouns are acceptable. "Traditionalists will be quaking (21 points) with fury (10 points) – because the makers of Scrabble are to allow players to use proper nouns for the first time". The President of the Association of British Scrabble Players has even commented. Purists are grumbling. The "perverse ruling" allows the use of "Sugababes, Toyota and Clearasil".

There is interest in this around the world from Canada to New Zealand. The Times of India says: "Scrabble is almost like serious business for millions of Britons, so much so that teams from Scrabble leagues across the country took part in a four-day tournament over Easter, while "diehard competitors played for 27 hours without sleep during a non-stop contest running from midday Saturday until 3 pm on Sunday". --candlewicke 22:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I'm not so sure this is true. See this. Looks like it's just a special version of the game, not the official one. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Yet again several of Wikipedia's so-called reliable sources prove unreliable... oh well. --candlewicke 01:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank goodness this isn't true! I have enough trouble keeping my opponents from playing some crazy words! (Obvious oppose due to the later clarification of the story. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:13, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Non-important news. Also it really doesn't effect anyone since you could just play by your own rules. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 05:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 2010 Indonesia earthquake

7.8 magnitude. Not sure how bad it was casualty wise. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 22:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fairly minor in terms of damage, and no reported casualties. Al JazeeraPhyschim62(talk) 00:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That would be amazing if it holds true. (Almost a blurb right there, considering the condition of Sumatra in general). I guess oppose unless this turns really bad. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, its bigger than the one that hit California, but the article is a stub, so oppose. --PlasmaTwa2 04:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Net neutrality

U.S. appeals court rules that the FCC cannot enforce net neutrality and that Comcast can limit its customers access to BitTorrent.

  • Support, waiting for Google to choose a target article. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I see the significance of this story (an ISP can censor? wow, there are only thousands that do so already), nor does there seem to be an updated article. Modest Genius talk 22:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The most relevant article would appear to be Network neutrality in the United States. Why has this been proposed in the apparent absence of an update? —David Levy 22:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not remotely significant legally, politically, culturally or geographically. Some court ruled something that means some ISP can do something it probably already does and many more across the globe already. Big woop. I hate to sound so cynical, it's not normally like me, but if this had come from the European Court of Human Rights, it would be laughed off of ITN/C. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 22:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose almost exactly per HJ Mitchell. Not seeing this as a big deal at all- legal or not, it still happens. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Although the nomination has been withdrawn I disagree with the assessment that this is not legally significant. Court cases are legal precedence and the court was ruling on whether or not the FCC had the authority to tell Comcast that they had to treat all internet traffic equally on the internet. The decision has serious ramifications on the how users can connect to the internet and the sites that are available to them. -Vcelloho (talk) 00:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "Service provider allowed to choose which services it provides to its customers." The Main Page is not the place for political campaigns. Physchim62 (talk) 22:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian Floods

At least 31 people have been killed in floods after more than 15 hours of constant rain in Rio de Janeiro state (Sky News) Cargoking talk 15:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The figure is up to 79 dead now BBC (also TVE news) Physchim62(talk) 19:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)79 now. "A disgrace [...] the biggest storm in the history of the city". Support. --candlewicke 19:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Do we have an article? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 22:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've started April 2010 Rio de Janeiro floods and mudslides, I'll try to get it postable before I go to bed. Death toll now 90. Physchim62 (talk) 22:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Now to wait for somebody to post it... --candlewicke 01:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe if I ask nicely in the edit summary I leave with this comment. --candlewicke 04:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Heh. Posted. - BanyanTree 05:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dantewada ambush of Central Reserve Police Force in India.

  • This is the worst maoist attack on security force. --GPPande 10:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when an article is ready. An engagement on this scale with the Maoists is quite rare; it is often not much more than minor skirmishes, unless I'm mistaken. This is very unusual and quite big. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. — Cargoking talk 12:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Possible blurb: "Maoist rebels kill at least 72 Indian soldiers in an attack on security convoys in Dantewada district in the central Indian state of Chattisgarh." Still working on the article... SPat talk 13:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a big attack Wikireader41 (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support: Can somebody move it to WP:ITN. I dont really recollect the procedural steps of addition of a new item -- TinuCherian - 14:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the template:
{{*mp April 6}}[[Maoist]] [[rebels]] kill at least 72 Indian soldiers '''[[2010 Maoist attack in Dantewada in an attack]]''' on security convoys in [[Dantewada district]] in the central Indian state of [[Chattisgarh]].
should be placed at the top and the bottom item should be removed. You are the only admin around, so if you could do it.... — Cargoking talk 15:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks for the instructions -- Tinu Cherian - 15:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miners killed

An explosion in a mine in West Virgina has killed 25 miners and left four others unaccounted for. RTÉ Cargoking talk 10:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article: Upper Big Branch mine explosion. — Cargoking talk 11:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but article needs a fair amount of expansion first. youngamerican(wtf?) 11:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I migrated a large amount of text from another article that was created on the subject, and have cleaned it up some, though it needs more work. How's it look now? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, the other article was started by User:GnarlyLikeWhoa - it was his text that I migrated over. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Not the biggest of mining accidents, but 25 is tragic, especially in a G7 country and the article is n decent shape. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 23:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not too late to go up, is it? Grsz11 13:21, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is a big deal, it is the largest coal mining disaster in the United States in a few decades, and I was surprised it was not on the front page. 129.64.99.48 (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can't remember. There are at least two ongoing mine disasters to watch. --candlewicke 18:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think this shoud be posted ASAP especially since the unaccounted four miners bodies were found this morning(Saturday) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool234 (talkcontribs) 23:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry but the bodies were found late Friday not Saturday morning as I said previouslyIamcool234 04:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, we have an article that meets ITN criteria, strong consensus and an event that is not yet too stale to be posted, but it will be if it has to wait any longer. This should be posted. ASAP! HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 19:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done - I added it, but since its the oldest story on the list (and that was without me removing any), don't expect it to stay too long. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! It's better than nothing. HJ Mitchell Penny for your thoughts? 19:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons cut

President Obama will today announce that he is to dramatically narrow the conditions under which the United States will use nuclear weapons, even for self-defence. Times Online Cargoking talk 11:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was just about to nominate this myself. The closest article to the subject might be Nuclear posture review, though it needs a great deal of expansion. Another more general article but with a wider context is Nuclear weapons and the United States. Either article would need expansion, and frankly attention from someone pretty knowledgeable on the subject. Support when updated.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The plan will be published officially later today according to the BBC. Also, on Thursday Obama and Russian president Medvedev will be signing an arms reduction pact which could be tied into this.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we're better off posting the START treaty once that is signed. Modest Geniustalk 14:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand correctly you're referring to a treaty which will replace the old START I treaty, which according to news reports will be signed this Thursday as I said above. I don't know the name of the new treaty.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know, it hasn't been announced yet, which is why I called it 'the START treaty' until we have an official new name. I think we're better waiting for that, esp since it's a large part of the US nuclear 'plan'. Modest Geniustalk 22:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the new START treaty - is of worldwide importance. Here's the article to it START treaty (2010). The other news item is also significant, so it could be combined. --Elekhh (talk) 02:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator. — Cargoking talk 09:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 5

ITN candidates for April 5

Wikileaks releases a video from 2007 showing the killing of civilians,

Wikileaks [releases a video] from 2007 showing the killing of civilians, including two Reuters news staff, by the U.S. military in Baghdad, Iraq. (BBC News) This is a massive story which has so far been included in the mainsteam media but played down. Can we include it please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregcaletta (talkcontribs) 02:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support but only when it's absolutely 110% clear this is not a hoax. Also, unless we have something cast iron and reinforced with concrete we should be talking about what the video appears to show. If this isn't a hoax, I expect it will be huge, but we need to be careful to get all the facts before putting this on a page that's viewed by around 6 million people a day. Also, where are we going to put the update for this? HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 02:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not a hoax. Pentagon officials have admitted the video is genuine. Gregcaletta (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once we get an article (I imagine this will be well worth its own). I honestly can't see this being a hoax, with so many legal attempts to prevent its publication, and we should be careful of wikilawyering around a policy which does not exist. If it does turn out to be a hoax, we can just add that to any blurb. Modest Genius talk 03:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Its an important symbol of a long war, and it is a serious evidence of the Iraq war being fault. My opinion. Jørgen88 (talk) 03:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, article at July 12 2007 Baghdad Airstrike Controversy. -M.Nelson (talk) 03:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Collateralmurder has already suffered the collateral damage. According to my sources it has taken a hit from Pentagon.--yousaf465 04:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not opposing, but I'm wary of the argument that this story is being 'ignored by the mainstream media'. I'm not sure it's the mission of WP:ITN to post stories ignored by the mainstream media. This is a sensitive story, so I agree with HJMitchell it should be handled carefully. If the admins are OK with it, then they have my support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It actually has been covered by the mainstream media now but just played down a little. I'm not giving this reason that we should include it. I just meant it's not a reason that we shouldn't include it.
Article from Sydney morning herald (article) User A1 (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is indeed very big, and again, the efforts to suppress the story have also been extraordinary. Very juicy. We should post it. __meco (talk) 12:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Just saw the video on the TV news in Oz.(TCN 9) Very ugly incident. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 13:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support ... most points already stated above :) -- Ashish-g55 14:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So why aint it futured yet? - 83.108.192.164 (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't that obvious? Who the hell wants to be responsible for posting this? Like measuring quantum systems, reporting the news cannot be done without affecting the world you are reporting on. 86.158.125.175 (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's more because there aren't any admins around atm. WP:ERRORS is also backlogged. Modest Genius talk 16:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb anyone? We've got an admin who I think could post. — Cargoking talk 16:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting now. NW (Talk) 19:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NCAA basketball tournament -- "once-in-a-generation sports story?" (moved from talk page)


4 April 2010 Baghdad bombings & 3 April 2010 Baghdad shootings

At least 42 and 25 respectively dead. Articles under construction.Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support --China Dialogue News 21:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by China Dialogue News (talkcontribs)
I would support a blurb which fits these bombings into the recent series of violent attacks in Iraq. Physchim62 (talk) 23:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Ed Roberts

BBC. I'm not sure about this one myself, but I thought I'd see what others think. As I understand one of the key figures in the early personal computers industry, and called the 'Father of personal computer'. The update is a problem, there's just a one sentence update at the moment and it might be difficult to expand it. Note that he died on 1 April.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i saw this before but didnt nominate... dont think he is that well known to general public (those who know computers a little less). plus it might already be too late for this -- Ashish-g55 17:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5 April 2010 Peshawar Bombing & 5 April 2010 Timergarah bombings

Going to create the article , triple bombing. Hopefully this will save the lives of thousands of Pakistanis and Afghans.--yousaf465 08:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Any estimate on the number of casulties? ~AH1(TCU) 13:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Terrorist bombings in Pakistan are sadly no longer notable. However, this one might make the cut as it was an attack on a hard target, the U.S. Embassy. (as of now, there are six reported casualties, however, the attack is thought to be coordinated with the Timergara ANP attack, in which there were 43 casualties) SPat talk 13:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support its not just one of you "run-of-the-mill" daily attacks. the 2 had killed 50 and injured 100. which in addition the us consulate boldness (and parallels to the CIA bombing in Afghanistan) adds to this. afterall, its importance is, arguably, tallying to moscow even.
Strong support, Death toll is high enough.Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support this was a significant attack after a long time ( by Pak standards)Wikireader41 (talk) 23:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully this will be the last one of those.--yousaf465 04:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candlewicke 19:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

114 rescued from flooded mine in China

At least 114 Chinese miners have been pulled alive from a flooded coal mine after more than seven days trapped in the pitch dark. (RTÉ) Cargoking talk 09:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article: 2010 Wangjialing coal mine flood. — Cargoking talk 09:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is a BIG mine rescue, more than 3000 people involved. And unusually for Chinese mining accidents, it seems to have a happy ending. Physchim62 (talk) 11:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --Tone 11:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major mine rescue. ~AH1(TCU) 13:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Tone 14:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Space Shuttle Discovery

Space Shuttle Discovery is supposed to have been launched a few minutes ago. (BBC) Cargoking talk 09:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The STS-131 is the second last mission of the space shuttle. — Cargoking talk 09:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your conversion is a little off; the launch is in around 54 minutes from now. Support if the launch happens. Feels like the slow end of an era. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I blame daylight savings. Curse that bloody thing! — Cargoking talk 09:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is not the place, at all, but if anyone wants to watch the launch, it is available here. — Cargoking talk 10:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Usually I would say wait for STS-133 in September, but we need a new story up there. Physchim62 (talk) 10:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, we usually feature all shuttle missions but maybe we shouldn't... Anyway, as they end the program soon, that will not be the question anymore. --Tone 11:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is one of the last shuttle missions, the shuttle has launched, and since we usually feature them this should be ITN-worthy. ~AH1(TCU) 13:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post. What shall be the blurb? Discovery is launched or anything more? --Tone 14:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ya, something like that. — Cargoking talk 16:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Space Shuttle Discovery launches on mission STS-131 carrying the Leonardo Multi-Purpose Logistics Module to the International Space Station." --GW 16:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the remaining shuttle missions.Neutral. Space criteria need a rewrite, I think I'll have a go. Modest Geniustalk 16:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've tried writing some new ones, please comment at Wikipedia talk:In the news/Recurring items#Space flightModest Geniustalk 18:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't there just a Soyuz launch? What makes this launch more important? --PlasmaTwa2 18:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
soyuz only carries crew. this got a bunch of modules going up with it. -- Ashish-g55 18:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, it's carrying a few bits of internal equipment and some spare gas tanks, but no space station modules (Leonardo is coming back down again this time). Modest Genius talk 22:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, wait until next (last launch). Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 20:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

15th Indian national census gets underway

It is the largest ever enumeration exercise attempted in the history of mankind. [67], [68], [69] Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 4

ITN candidates for April 4

Nine Chinese miners rescued, hope for more

Mining accidents are common in China, but the BBC is suggesting that this one might not be as deadly as most. Article is 2010 Wangjialing coal mine flood. Physchim62 (talk) 23:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MV Shen Neng 1

Chinese bulk carrier Shen Neng 1 runs aground off Great Keppel Island, Australia, endangering part of the Great Barrier Reef. Mjroots (talk) 19:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning toward oppose. Can the suggested wording clarify why this is notable? Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I modified the hook (modification in italics) to indicate the important bit. I'm not sure how much of the reef is in danger. Probably not all of it. BBC story.--Chaser (talk) 00:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Main article is 2010 Great Barrier Reef oil spill. ~AH1(TCU) 14:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Baja California earthquake

It's not obvious to me. And you shouldn't it's obvious to everyone else. It would also be helpful if you'd link to an article where one exists, as I've done now. As to the item, I'm torn- it's a strong quake, but they're not uncommon in California (AFAIK) and there doesn't seems to be any significant damage or loss of life. HJ MitchellPenny for your thoughts? 00:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose no major damage and no deaths in an area that is known for earthquakes. --PlasmaTwa2 01:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, I initially overestimated the effects. --bender235 (talk) 01:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even with two reported deaths, I don't think this is overly significant for the west coast of North America. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - For the following reasons
  • At least 2 deaths + 100 injuries in Mexicali, and electricity is still out there so there will likely be further casualties as news is collected.
  • 90 aftershocks within 24 hours
  • Buildings damaged and evacuated in San Diego, CA (110 miles away). A portion of an Interstate 8 closed due to damage.
  • Felt by 20+ million people in the US alone (no figure yet from Mexico) including locations as far away as Salt Lake City
  • Approximately twice the strength of the 2010 Haiti earthquake (7.2 vs 7.0 on a logarithmic scale)
  • Strongest quake felt in San Diego, the Imperial Valley, or Baja California in 100 years.
  • Article now has 20+ unique sources + free images
Above by JMG (talk) 07:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Naturally support per above - TouLouse (talk) 08:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We shouldn't discount a major natural event simply because it didn't cause (enough) deaths.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There goes all the support for my DYK... Buggie111 (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A similar earthquake took place in Japan right before Chile earthquake. which was not posted due to low damage. Both japan and california have earthquakes frequently so this one isnt that different either. hence oppose -- Ashish-g55 13:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The quake struck close to the major city of Mexicali, population 600,000. Aftershocks are propagating up the fault lines of southern California. ~AH1(TCU) 14:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This would be a borderline case for me if it were not for the good article which has been written. Physchim62 (talk) 14:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting, just with basic details. Feel free to improve the blurb. --Tone 14:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, no major loss of life and only (comparatively) minor damage to a location where earthquakes are common. Decent article mind. Modest Genius talk 16:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

April 3

ITN candidates for April 3

Eugène Terre'Blanche murdered

Eugene Terreblanche (386542672).jpg

South African white supremacist leader Eugène Terre'Blanche is brutally murdered on his farm near Ventersdorp.

All I can say is oppose. Racist gets killed isn't the kind of story I want to put on the main page. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Minor bit player in south african politics. So death isn't particularly significant.©Geni 01:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to have been murdered for not paying his workers. And South Africa is a pretty violent country. Not significant (no matter what the BBC thinks!) Physchim62 (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support-Terre'Blanche and the AWB were major groups in the late 1980's and early 1990's in SA. Prehaps it should be written as:

Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (picture) leader Eugène Terre'Blanche is killed on his farm near Ventersdorp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talkcontribs) 04:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This murder of another "white farmer" may not be as insignificant as all the murders that preceded it. It may just be "the straw that broke the camels back".Gregorydavid (talk) 18:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well if it is, then we'll report that once it happens Nil Einne (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't see any importance - TouLouse (talk) 08:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. I believe Terre'Blanche is a historical figure, and his violent death would be of general interest. __meco (talk) 15:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Violent death of a historical figure, front page on CNN and Le Monde SPat talk 16:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support-keep an eye on the situation if you wish.. tonight we have Julius Malema saying that he has been singing "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" for nine years now.. "So why was Terre'Blanche not killed nine years ago?" "If anyboby wants to assasinate me I am ready for them." This discussion has become irrelevant.Gregorydavid (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support important figure. was surprised that he lasted this long Wikireader41 (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
weak oppose he may have been a major player in the 80s or 90s. but it's the 2010s now and he doesn't appear to have been extremely significant in the 80s and 90s. Nil Einne (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is making the news in Canada. Seems like a newsworthy death. --PlasmaTwa2 20:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, but I'd prefer if there was more information in the article related to his death. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't find it relevant, given that the cause of death is reported to be a minor dispute, thus not related to his notability. The news appears to be more trivial than educational. --Elekhh (talk) 01:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The death seems to be reigniting tensions there. This seems to be more than just a murder of an Apartheid-era racist--it's having an impact on present day discussions. I'm not sure if I support (the article should go into the present day impact) but I wouldn't dismiss this one.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you: keep an eye on it, and see if it has any implications. --Elekhh (talk) 09:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, unexpected violent death of a historically notable figure, plus major press coverage. I'd suggest a blurb along the lines of 'South African President Jacob Zuma appeals for calm following the death of...' Modest Geniustalk 16:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support since there are so many weak ones: I've been away for a few days but this is still constantly in the news around the world and hard to escape from. As said already, this is the unexpected death of an important figure. --candlewicke 19:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, for reasons I and others have said.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

African Renaissance Monument

Senegal inaugurates the African Renaissance Monument in Dakar in the frame of the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary of its Independence. BBC Hektor (talk) 18:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be better to have a photo of the completed statute, but I'm not sure if that should stop us from posting.--Chaser (talk) 20:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, but only if we get a photo of the completed statue. Modest Genius talk 16:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

25 people shot by militants in Iraqi village of Sufiya

WashPost, BBC. No article yet. The articles I've read so far have some conflicting information, like the name of the place where the attack happened. --Johnsemlak (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


April 2

ITN candidates for April 2

April 1

ITN candidates for April 1

World's largest marine reserve established

(BBC) The UK establishes the world's largest marine reserve in the Chagos Archipelago. Looks like the part to expand is Chagos_islands#Conservation_efforts - Dumelow (talk) 23:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though the current update is a bit unencyclopaedic in language. There's just about still time for this. Modest Genius talk 04:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Act

Manmohan Singh

The Hindu—" India will join a group of few countries in the world, with a historic law making education a fundamental right of every child coming into force". Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (pictured) addressed the nation. Al Jazeera BBC Press TV The Times. This may seem naïve but isn't this at least as important as the recently posted Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? I think the education law affects more people though. --candlewicke 23:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our article says it was passed on 4 August 2009. Physchim62(talk) 23:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But it wasn't on ITN then. And now it is actually happening. --candlewicke 23:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What are the other few countries, India will join in? Not seems fit for ITN to me. --Saki talk 14:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - added news to the lead and some more details in highlights. SPattalk 04:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wikireader41 (talk) 15:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted.--Chaser (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Google

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How about that Topeka, Kansas 'renames' itself 'Google, Kansas'? link here http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/02/google.kansas.topeka/index.html Calmer Waters 07:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd, in general, prefer not to give a publicity stunt, well, publicity. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suppose. Just saw it pop up on RC and thought I'd throw it in the hat. Calmer Waters 07:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think an update about google changing its name to Topeka would be lot more funny. And it would still be true. By CEO Eric Schmidt
  • Posted Google's flip to Topeka – agreed with the above, and it has to go up soon to stay on for April Fool's. (natit citsejamklat) dE 16:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see that this was barely discussed. We're supposed to be applying our normal quality criteria, and the article update consists of a single sentence. I also see little value in relaying someone else's joke (especially when that someone is a website as popular as Google). For these reasons, I've removed the item. —David Levy 16:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Archiving, no longer 1 April. --candlewicke 01:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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India's launches biometric census

BBC. Not sure what article to use. Still, it appears to be an unprecedented undertaking in terms of scale and method.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong support: This is first of the kind biometric census on the scale never done before. The process has begun today with President of India being the first to get registered. --GPPande 13:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article should be Unique Identification Authority of India. --GPPande 13:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - A lot of countries already have a national identity card system that uses the same compulsory national database system. Beyond the size of the population in India, is there anything that makes this any different from those? --Daviessimo (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an expert on other countries' census or national ID card systems, but do any of them have all citizens fingerprinted, for example?--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from size, this census will be first to do recording in terms of finger printing. Since 1872, none of the Indian census did this previously. This census will also record internet access, toilet access, religion etc. This will be first census in many aspects. --GPPande 17:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral it may very well be a big event by itself, but there is too much emphasis on poltiics on the news part and it doesnt have "earth-shaking" or potential consequences beyond just 1 country (india).
Weak oppose. It's a first for India, and that means it's going to be very big, but it's not earth-shattering compared to what goes on in other countries. Spain ID card system (just to take one example) holds the fingerprints and digitized photos of the entire population. Physchim62(talk) 21:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support a billion plus people getting fingerprinted! this directly affects about 1 in 5 humans and is unprecedented. Wikireader41 (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is 15th Indian national census. --candlewicke 22:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that this is still based upon on an action that may or may not happen in the future. If the nomination was "India has completed..." then I would support. However, the nomination seems to revolve around a census starting that involves biometric scanning procedures, which many countries already use. As such, I will oppose until anyone can show why India adopting this is more notable than when other countries do so. --Daviessimo (talk) 00:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
its the scale of the effort that makes it more notable not because it is in India. this is the largest undertaking attempted ever of is kind by a wide margin. same reason that climbing the Everest is more notable than climbing the ski hill in your neighbouring resort. Wikireader41 (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Same as Daviessimo. This will be much more notable when the census is completed. SPat talk 04:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Other then Spain, Malaysia also has fingerprints on their national ID cards. Our article suggests Costa Rica, Crotia, Portugal, Pakistan and ironically India although it isn't clear which if any of these are compulsory. Italy may have had it in the past. Of course a compulsory national ID card generally only applies to citizens over a certain. Perhaps permanent residents. The information stored is generally limited. This compares to the amount of information generally collected in a census and a census usually recording children and even tourists and those in the country illegally. And national ID cards are given over a wide space of time (even when a new card is introduced there's usually a several year timespace before it become compulsory to change), censuses take place over weeks. Nil Einne (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reading the articles more carefully, it appears that the fingerprinting is primarily part of India's effort to introduce national ID cards hence my confusion earlier about India already having fingerprints as part of their ID cards. Also it's not entirely clear to me if it's accurate to all of India's population are going to have their fingerprints recorded. ID cards are only going to be issued to those over 15, so it's possible only those people will have their fingerprints recorded. According to Demographics of India, 31.1% of India's population is under 15. Nil Einne (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capture of pirate mother ship

How about the capture of a pirate mother ship in the Indian Ocean? [70] Seems pretty notable and interesting to a wide audience. I've already added a tidbit to the Piracy in Somalia. —Charles Edward (Talk Contribs) 14:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the third time in a year Ir emember hearing about them making a run at a warship. How uncommon is this, really? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Far too common for something like this to be posted, unless there is something extraordinarily spectacular about it. SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guinea-Bissau coup

Strogn Supporty This is a breaking news event that could very well have instability repercussions as the coutnry is regarded as a drug transit country to the european market.

Could, could could. But a coup is good enough to support. --candlewicke 23:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Concur when updated; a coup d'etat is significant enough ignoring the "coulds" that inevitably cloud such situations. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK Space Agency

Several days ago there was consensus that the news about the UK establishing a space agency, to be opened today on April 1, was to be posted on ITN today. Why has nobody followed up on this? The entire nomination has been archived even. __meco (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it wasnt funny enough so it did not make the cut. -- Ashish-g55 21:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me? __meco (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Offence was taken. --candlewicke 23:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
hmm... did i say something wrong lol. i thought that was pretty much the reason -- Ashish-g55 00:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was the reason for not putting up as a joke news items. As for listing it in a non-April fools way, I'm not sure whether there was a consensus. What date was it originally nominated on? --Daviessimo (talk) 08:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#UK_Space_Agency. I think the opportunity for this has now passed, though. Mike Peel (talk) 10:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was only established on April 1 so we can run with something like "The British government establishes the UK Space Agency to manage all of the country's civil space activities" and it will still be top of the ITN list (as it is the newest item). Someone please suggest an improved blurb though - Dumelow (talk) 11:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the blurb is fine and it makes sense if we put this on today. --Tone 11:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it should say UK Space agency ... starts working (or something like that). --Tone 11:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just posted it with the old blurb. Feel free to change it (I have got to run and will be away from my pc for the next couple of weeks now) - Dumelow (talk) 11:40, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]